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Title: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Mr. Illini on February 01, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
This is turning into a circus. ILGOP is throwing this away.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-31/news/chi-rutherford-investigating-employee-allegation-blames-rauner-20140131_1_dan-rutherford-bruce-rauner-state-treasurer


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on February 01, 2014, 04:29:12 PM
This is turning into a circus. ILGOP is throwing this away...again

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-31/news/chi-rutherford-investigating-employee-allegation-blames-rauner-20140131_1_dan-rutherford-bruce-rauner-state-treasurer

FIFY


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Tutankhuman Bakari Sellers on February 02, 2014, 12:31:04 PM
Speaker Madigan already got in front of GOP by cutting corporate tax  and spike in min wage, reformist ideas. That alone along with legislative races federal and state will allow Quinn to get by, especially Rauner.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: ill ind on February 03, 2014, 01:01:21 PM
Chicago Tribune headline:

"GOP Governor candidate denies unknown allegations"

Only in Illinois :->



Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: TX Conservative Dem on February 03, 2014, 08:57:12 PM
I'm hoping the Illinois Republicans nominate State Treasurer Dan Rutherford as their nominee for Governor


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: moderatevoter on February 03, 2014, 09:05:35 PM
Okay I'm not familiar with Illinois state politics, but who's the most electable nominee for the GOP?


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Anti Democrat Democrat Club on February 03, 2014, 09:25:28 PM
Okay I'm not familiar with Illinois state politics, but who's the most electable nominee for the GOP?

Dillard is the only one. Brady is just awful, Rutherford is in a scandal, and Rauner wants to decrease the minimum wage.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: muon2 on February 03, 2014, 09:35:02 PM
Okay I'm not familiar with Illinois state politics, but who's the most electable nominee for the GOP?

By most pundit's analysis Dillard, who lost to Brady by 193 votes in the primary, would have beaten Quinn in 2010. He has been hurt by Rauner tapping the same Chicago business money sources that would otherwise have gone his way. That leaves Dillard with little money to compete in the primary, though its likely he would have access to the needed funds in a general election.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: TX Conservative Dem on February 03, 2014, 09:44:08 PM
Illinois seriously needs to consider having runoff elections in statewide elections primaries


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: moderatevoter on February 03, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
Okay I've heard elsewhere its Rutherford. Was he before this scandal? Sorry for the questions.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: muon2 on February 03, 2014, 10:36:49 PM
Okay I've heard elsewhere its Rutherford. Was he before this scandal? Sorry for the questions.

Rutherford probably also has a good chance in Nov so those other sources are probably ok. He did win statewide in 2010.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Mr. Illini on February 03, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
Okay I've heard elsewhere its Rutherford. Was he before this scandal? Sorry for the questions.

In my opinion, it is Rutherford. Dillard is a moderate-leaner but not as independent as Rutherford is.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: SamInTheSouth on February 04, 2014, 06:55:52 PM
Speaker Madigan already got in front of GOP by cutting corporate tax  and spike in min wage, reformist ideas. That alone along with legislative races federal and state will allow Quinn to get by, especially Rauner.

Quinn's numbers are awful.  He's trailing every potential challenger.  Very rarely does an incumbent ever recover from that.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on February 04, 2014, 07:07:54 PM
This is turning into a circus. ILGOP is throwing this away.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-01-31/news/chi-rutherford-investigating-employee-allegation-blames-rauner-20140131_1_dan-rutherford-bruce-rauner-state-treasurer
Just like they did in 2010.

Okay I've heard elsewhere its Rutherford. Was he before this scandal? Sorry for the questions.

In my opinion, it is Rutherford. Dillard is a moderate-leaner but not as independent as Rutherford is.
Okay I'm not familiar with Illinois state politics, but who's the most electable nominee for the GOP?

By most pundit's analysis Dillard, who lost to Brady by 193 votes in the primary, would have beaten Quinn in 2010. He has been hurt by Rauner tapping the same Chicago business money sources that would otherwise have gone his way. That leaves Dillard with little money to compete in the primary, though its likely he would have access to the needed funds in a general election.

I remember polls showing Dillard trailing Quinn in general election matchups, so I kind of doubt that.  Anyway, I hope these charges aren't true and Rutherford recovers.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: IceSpear on February 04, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Speaker Madigan already got in front of GOP by cutting corporate tax  and spike in min wage, reformist ideas. That alone along with legislative races federal and state will allow Quinn to get by, especially Rauner.

Quinn's numbers are awful.  He's trailing every potential challenger.  Very rarely does an incumbent ever recover from that.

It happened in 2010.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: publicunofficial on February 04, 2014, 10:54:17 PM
Rutherford and a 28-year-old male staffer (not the same one who is currently suing him for sexual harassment) spent a combined 32 days overseas on "educational trips" to China, Israel, and Korea. (http://www.suntimes.com/news/25278943-761/gop-gov-hopeful-dan-rutherford-spent-32-days-overseas-as-treasurer.html) Rutherford and the staffer both received a salary while overseas. Rutherford did not bring any other staffers on these trips, and this amount of globe-trotting is not the standard for an Illinois treasurer (The previous treasurer, who served three terms, has said she never left the country for official state business).


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I doubt it would hurt him too much in the general (Personally, I don't think he did anything wrong and Rauner is a homophobic ass), but I'd say he's done in the primary.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: badgate on February 05, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
Yeah, that staffer is definitely straight. He has a cell phone holster.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: TX Conservative Dem on February 05, 2014, 07:31:11 AM
Meanwhile, Quinn is gleefully watching the Republicans beat the crap out of each other


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: bluedogsam on February 05, 2014, 08:14:05 AM
the GOP candidates here in Illinois will destroy each other and Quinn will use this as his campaign and probably win. the only Republican who can beat Quinn is i would say Rauner but lately he is saying one thing and meaning another--not a good way to win an election--the labor unions here in Illinois are ready to go against Rauner in a big way. i will predict Quinn will win.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: TX Conservative Dem on February 05, 2014, 08:16:44 AM
In other words, Quinn is staying in the Executive Mansion until 2018-ugh.

Nobody likes Quinn, who has crappy approval ratings


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Tutankhuman Bakari Sellers on February 05, 2014, 08:32:25 AM
The Dems have Prez Obama and Dick Durbin already in office. 2016 will be the yr to wipe the sleight clean with new leadership. Then, Madigan will be the front runner for gov or senate whichever one she chooses, it's a go.

But Speaker Madigan runs Spingfield and prevent a GOP takeover.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: bluedogsam on February 05, 2014, 09:01:54 AM
Illinois is a blue state--any Republican who has any chance at winning the governorship here in Illinois has to run as a moderate--here in Cook county is where the biggest votes come out of--the Cook county suburbs USED to be Republican years ago but that has changed thru the years. you got the Cook county Democrat party which turns out the big vote totals and the Republican party in Cook county is non existant-- even though 2014 is supposed to be a Gop year here in Illinois it won't be. Dick Durbin will win easily against weak and comical Gop candidates--Quinn will be re-elected because the Gop candidates are taking each other down in the primary election.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Tutankhuman Bakari Sellers on February 05, 2014, 11:42:14 AM
Kirk Dillard has the credentials that would allow him to carry the Collared counties to beat Quinn. Brady and Rauner won't.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: bluedogsam on February 05, 2014, 12:46:34 PM
Dillard won't even win the primary--from what i heard he hasn't got the $$$ like Rauner to be competitive. the only chance the gop has here in Illinois to beat Quinn is Rauner--the problem with Rauner is his big mouth--he switched stands on the minimum wage. either way the labor unions can't wait to go against Rauner. forget Dillard--he's toast.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Mr. Illini on February 05, 2014, 05:39:33 PM
Rauner is not homophobic, first of all. I don't support him, but he has said that he would have signed the same-sex marriage bill that Quinn signed a few months ago.

That said, there are some signs of misconduct here, and also southern IL conservatives will jump at the idea that Rutherford is gay.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: publicunofficial on February 05, 2014, 06:05:10 PM
Rauner is not homophobic, first of all. I don't support him, but he has said that he would have signed the same-sex marriage bill that Quinn signed a few months ago.

That said, there are some signs of misconduct here, and also southern IL conservatives will jump at the idea that Rutherford is gay.

Rauner may not be homophobic, but he is pandering to homophobes.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Anti Democrat Democrat Club on February 07, 2014, 06:31:01 PM
Brady bringing in Christie. (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/07/illinois-candidate-happy-to-campaign-with-chris-christie)


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on February 08, 2014, 07:48:58 PM
http://www.chicagonow.com/kelly-truth-squad/2014/02/bruce-rauner-may-be-behind-attacks-on-rutherford-gop-candidates/

Looks like Rauner may be behind this, so I hope the truth gets out!

Speaker Madigan already got in front of GOP by cutting corporate tax  and spike in min wage, reformist ideas. That alone along with legislative races federal and state will allow Quinn to get by, especially Rauner.

Quinn's numbers are awful.  He's trailing every potential challenger.  Very rarely does an incumbent ever recover from that.

It happened in 2010.
Uh, no, it didn't.  I remember seeing polls that showed Jim Ryan as the only Republican beating Quinn.  Bill Brady was a lousy candidate who cost Republicans a race that they should, by all accounts, have won.  Not to mention that Quinn is even less popular now than he was in 2010.

In other words, Quinn is staying in the Executive Mansion until 2018-ugh.

Nobody likes Quinn, who has crappy approval ratings
I would be inclined to agree, but there's enough time that things could change.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: IceSpear on February 08, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
Speaker Madigan already got in front of GOP by cutting corporate tax  and spike in min wage, reformist ideas. That alone along with legislative races federal and state will allow Quinn to get by, especially Rauner.

Quinn's numbers are awful.  He's trailing every potential challenger.  Very rarely does an incumbent ever recover from that.

It happened in 2010.
Uh, no, it didn't.  I remember seeing polls that showed Jim Ryan as the only Republican beating Quinn.  Bill Brady was a lousy candidate who cost Republicans a race that they should, by all accounts, have won.  Not to mention that Quinn is even less popular now than he was in 2010.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/il/illinois_governor_brady_vs_quinn-1361.html

Quinn never lead. He was supposed to lose by 5 points. So yes, it did happen.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: International Brotherhood of Bernard on February 08, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
If Quinn were to see the writing on the wall and decide to drop out post-primary, how would the new nominee be chosen? Who would the likely candidates be? Would he even be able to do that?


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Tutankhuman Bakari Sellers on February 08, 2014, 08:37:36 PM
They would likely chose Vallas, Daley or Hynes. It would probably be Vallas, from a state convention. Speaker Madigan doesn't want to work for his stepdaughter anyways. But Quinn will stay in because he never leads in polls until the election. Just like against Hynes.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Mr. Illini on February 10, 2014, 01:39:01 AM
Brady bringing in Christie. (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2014/02/07/illinois-candidate-happy-to-campaign-with-chris-christie)

I cannot see Christie endorsing Brady in the primary with every other candidate being more moderate. Seems like an attempt on Brady's part to be seen as more moderate.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: bluedogsam on February 10, 2014, 10:09:07 PM
i won't be voting for Rutherford--no way. i also heard some rumors about him a few years ago so that scares me away . the more i hear about Dillard the more i think i will be voting for him. Brady,Rauner don't impress me at all.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: publicunofficial on February 18, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Rutherford is pulling all of his ads off the air, effective immediately (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/il-gop-guv-candidate-who-bunked-with-assistant-halts-ads).


He says he isn't dropping out though.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on February 26, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
Rutherford is pulling all of his ads off the air, effective immediately (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/il-gop-guv-candidate-who-bunked-with-assistant-halts-ads).


He says he isn't dropping out though.
I haven't seen any more articles that said this.  I hope he can turn it around.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Alien on February 28, 2014, 03:53:12 AM
At this point, the primary is Rauner's to lose... I'll probably choose the Republican ballot on election day in March so I can vote for Dillard in the Gov primary and vote against Oberweis for US Senate vs. Durbin.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: muon2 on February 28, 2014, 10:22:39 PM
Rothenberg (http://rothenbergpoliticalreport.com/ratings/governor) has moved Quinn's race from Lean Dem to Pure Tossup.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Franzl on March 01, 2014, 04:17:34 AM
I do hope Quinn manages to survive again. At least he's good at winning uncomfortably close elections.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: windjammer on March 01, 2014, 07:05:13 AM
I do hope Quinn manages to survive again. At least he's good at winning uncomfortably close elections.
I share Franzl's opinions. Quinn seems to be underrated.


Title: Re: IL-Gov: Rutherford in scandal mode, accuses Rauner
Post by: Tutankhuman Bakari Sellers on March 01, 2014, 08:49:55 AM
Unless there are any cracks in Quinn unique relationship with senior citizens, as do Charlie Crist, he will hang in there. Paul Vallas will eventually come out and attack the GOP.