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Title: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Failed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 25, 2014, 05:18:45 AM Quote Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment, life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, or solitary confinement be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a guaranteed job at a living wage or the right to an income which bestows upon he or she the right to a decent standard of living. If the private sector is unable or unwilling to maintain full employment or provide a decent standard of living, then it is the responsibility of the Republic to undertake the necessary actions to create full employment at a living wage and/or a livable basic income for all who lack it. 19. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a stable, secure, and decent retirement. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free medical care. 21. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free child care. 22. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a free education. 23. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free housing. 24. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a healthy environment. 25. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to natural resources. Natural resources shall be owned and managed in common. 26. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to nondiscrimination on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. 27. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to enter into civil unions and be accorded all rights granted to said unions by law. The Republic of Atlasia shall not legislate a limit on the number of persons able to join a civil union, nor shall the Republic legislate restrictions upon said unions concerning the sexes of those involved. The Republic may, however, legislate a uniform age for entering into a civil union. 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to a gender identity of their choosing or to abstain from choosing a gender identity if they so wish, as well as a right to all medical procedures necessary for the fulfillment of this right. 29. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. The Republic shall not set an official language. 30. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to hospice care and a right to death with dignity. 31. All women residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to abortion on demand, free of charge. 32. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to plan their own families by the use of contraceptives and birth control, distributed free of charge. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 33. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to equal pay for equal work. 34. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to paid sick, educational, long service, and parental leave. 35. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to free public transportation. Sponsor: TNF Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 25, 2014, 05:21:39 AM The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocacy for this.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on March 25, 2014, 09:37:09 AM This amendment provides us with a recognition of the social rights first expanded upon in FDR's Second Bill of Rights speech. I'm going to go ahead and offer an amendment here to make the whole thing a little bit more legible and work out some of the kinks :P
Quote Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment, life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, or solitary confinement be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a guaranteed job at a living wage or the right to an income which bestows upon he or she the right to a decent standard of living. If the private sector is unable or unwilling to maintain full employment or provide a decent standard of living, then it is the responsibility of the Republic to undertake the necessary actions to create full employment at a living wage and/or a livable basic income for all who lack it. 19. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a stable, secure, and decent retirement. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free medical care. 21. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free child care. 22. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a free education. 23. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free housing. 24. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to live a healthy environment. 25. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of ownership of all natural resources. Natural resources shall be owned and managed in common. 26. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to nondiscrimination on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. 27. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to enter into civil unions and be accorded all rights granted to said unions by law. The Republic of Atlasia shall not legislate a limit on the number of persons able to join a civil union, nor shall the Republic legislate restrictions upon said unions concerning the sexes of those involved. The Republic may, however, legislate a uniform age for entering into a civil union. 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to a gender identity of their choosing or to abstain from choosing a gender identity if they so wish, as well as a right to all medical procedures free of charge necessary for the fulfillment of this right. 29. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. The Republic shall not set an official language. 30. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to hospice care and a right to death with dignity. 31. All women residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to abortion on demand, free of charge. 32. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to plan their own families by the use of contraceptives and birth control, distributed free of charge. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 33. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to equal pay for equal work. 34. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to paid sick, educational, long service, and parental leave. 35. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to free public transportation. 36. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of co-determination in the workplace, and shall be guaranteed the right to help make decisions in tandem with the owners of said enterprises. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Lumine on March 25, 2014, 10:50:58 PM I do have a few comments on this. First of all, I believe you mean Article VI of the constitution (Article IV talks about our Regional Governments). In second place, I fundamentally view this as a very interesting piece of legislation, and I am specially supportive of the articles related to the environment and the marked opposition to discrimination on sexual grounds. That said, I had a lot of qualms about it back in the Senate race, and I stand by that now.
My main areas of concern are the life imprisionment abolishment, the right to vote for convicted felons, and some of the new articles (mainly 20 to 23, 25, 27, 31 and 36). Going into detail: -Life Imprisionment/Solitary Confinement: Believe by many to be some sort of "barbaric treatment", I have to say that I oppose this view. Not only it acts as a powerful deterrent (and in my opinion a much more effective one than the death penalty, which we don't have anyway), there are individuals that I believe are not suited to be released, regardless of the time or the amounts to therapy. I believe we shouldn't drop life imprisionment just for the sake of equality, and I also believe we should consider potential consequences of leaving the chance for the release of some criminals open. -Right to Vote: All the other proposals in Section XIV are fine with me, but I am not very supportive of voting rights for convicted felons. I'm probably in the minority here, but I think some felons (unlike in January, I am not talking about all felons now) shouldn't be allowed to vote and be a candidate for public office. -Articles 20-23: They look like good goals to me, but what worries me there are the consequences regarding unsolved issues like Health Care (which we are discussing right now) and Free Housing (which is not even discussed in the federal level, just in the South). -Article 25: Would you mind explaining this one in further detail, TNF? I'm a little bit confused with the actual meaning of this one, specially "ownership". -Article 27: This one seems to favor polygamy, so I am of course completely opposed to this one. -Article 31: Just like 27, I am pro-life, so this one in nowhere near an acceptable compromise by any means. -Article 36: Wasn't co-determination already rejected by the Senate shortly ago? I may be forgetting a few details (and perhaps my criticism is wrong in more than a few days), but so far that is my take on this. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 26, 2014, 06:00:08 AM Quote from: Amendment 60:14 by TNF Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment, life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, or solitary confinement be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a guaranteed job at a living wage or the right to an income which bestows upon he or she the right to a decent standard of living. If the private sector is unable or unwilling to maintain full employment or provide a decent standard of living, then it is the responsibility of the Republic to undertake the necessary actions to create full employment at a living wage and/or a livable basic income for all who lack it. 19. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a stable, secure, and decent retirement. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free medical care. 21. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free child care. 22. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a free education. 23. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free housing. 24. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to live a healthy environment. 25. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of ownership of all natural resources. Natural resources shall be owned and managed in common. 26. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to nondiscrimination on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. 27. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to enter into civil unions and be accorded all rights granted to said unions by law. The Republic of Atlasia shall not legislate a limit on the number of persons able to join a civil union, nor shall the Republic legislate restrictions upon said unions concerning the sexes of those involved. The Republic may, however, legislate a uniform age for entering into a civil union. 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to a gender identity of their choosing or to abstain from choosing a gender identity if they so wish, as well as a right to all medical procedures free of charge necessary for the fulfillment of this right. 29. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. The Republic shall not set an official language. 30. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to hospice care and a right to death with dignity. 31. All women residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to abortion on demand, free of charge. 32. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to plan their own families by the use of contraceptives and birth control, distributed free of charge. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 33. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to equal pay for equal work. 34. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to paid sick, educational, long service, and parental leave. 35. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to free public transportation. 36. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of co-determination in the workplace, and shall be guaranteed the right to help make decisions in tandem with the owners of said enterprises. Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Senators have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Talleyrand on March 26, 2014, 06:25:56 AM Isn't 36 a bit too open-ended? I would rather see some form of Co-Determination passed in a bill form.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: DC Al Fine on March 26, 2014, 10:47:00 AM I will not vote for any bill that promotes infanticide or bigamy.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 27, 2014, 06:07:51 AM The amendment has been adopted.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on March 27, 2014, 02:01:41 PM an amendment:
Quote Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment, life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, or solitary confinement be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 19. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a stable, secure, and decent retirement. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free medical care. 21. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free child care. 22. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a free education. 23. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free housing. 24. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to live in a healthy environment. 25. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of ownership of all natural resources. Natural resources shall be owned and managed in common. 26. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to nondiscrimination on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. 27. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to enter into civil unions and be accorded all rights granted to said unions by law. The Republic of Atlasia shall not legislate a limit on the number of persons able to join a civil union, nor shall the Republic legislate restrictions upon said unions concerning the sexes of those involved. The Republic may, however, legislate a uniform age for entering into a civil union. 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to a gender identity of their choosing or to abstain from choosing a gender identity if they so wish, as well as a right to all medical procedures free of charge necessary for the fulfillment of this right. 29. 30. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to hospice care and a right to death with dignity. 31. All women residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to abortion on demand, free of charge. 32. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to plan their own families by the use of contraceptives and birth control, distributed free of charge. 33. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to equal pay for equal work. 34. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to paid sick, educational, long service, and parental leave. 35. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to free public transportation. 36. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of co-determination in the workplace, and shall be guaranteed the right to help make decisions in tandem with the owners of said enterprises. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: President Tyrion on March 28, 2014, 12:58:50 AM Do we need to put involuntary sterilization in the constitution?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 29, 2014, 08:36:05 AM Sponsor?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: bore on March 29, 2014, 02:04:52 PM I support most of these ideas in principle (i.e. I think everyone has a right to an education) but I'm not sure I like the idea of tying them, especially as they're so open ended, into the constitution. I mean, what's a decent standard of living? Should everyone who wants to apply for a university course, or get a book, get it for free? Should I be able to claim a percentage of all the gold or silver or oil in the country?
In practice won't everything be decided by appointed, unelected judges who could use these amendments to do whatever they want? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on March 29, 2014, 02:25:09 PM Amendment is hostile.
Also, offering an amendment of my own: Quote 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof, as well as a right to all medical procedures necessary for the fulfillment of this right, free of charge. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Lumine on March 29, 2014, 03:49:48 PM I support Shua's amendment (although I would still make further changes), but I would insist that we have to fix the typo regarding Article IV (it should be VI).
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 30, 2014, 05:53:14 PM Quote from: Amendment 60:17 by shua Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment, life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, or solitary confinement be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article VI of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 19. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a stable, secure, and decent retirement. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free medical care. 21. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free child care. 22. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to a free education. 23. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to free housing. 24. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right to live in a healthy environment. 25. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of ownership of all natural resources. Natural resources shall be owned and managed in common. 26. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to nondiscrimination on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. 27. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to enter into civil unions and be accorded all rights granted to said unions by law. The Republic of Atlasia shall not legislate a limit on the number of persons able to join a civil union, nor shall the Republic legislate restrictions upon said unions concerning the sexes of those involved. The Republic may, however, legislate a uniform age for entering into a civil union. 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to a gender identity of their choosing or to abstain from choosing a gender identity if they so wish, as well as a right to all medical procedures free of charge necessary for the fulfillment of this right. 29. 30. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to hospice care and a right to death with dignity. 31. All women residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to abortion on demand, free of charge. 32. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to plan their own families by the use of contraceptives and birth control, distributed free of charge. 33. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to equal pay for equal work. 34. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to paid sick, educational, long service, and parental leave. 35. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to free public transportation. 36. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have the right of co-determination in the workplace, and shall be guaranteed the right to help make decisions in tandem with the owners of said enterprises. Sponsor Feedback: Hostile Status: A vote is now open on the above maenmdent, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Goldwater on March 30, 2014, 06:09:04 PM AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Lumine on March 30, 2014, 06:22:44 PM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on March 30, 2014, 06:54:21 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: President Tyrion on March 31, 2014, 01:02:04 AM Aye
I'm not sure I can support more than half of these, so that tips the scale. I could pick and choose a few, though. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: TNF on March 31, 2014, 09:12:22 AM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: bore on March 31, 2014, 10:58:13 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Talleyrand on March 31, 2014, 04:09:17 PM Aye
I'd support nearly all of these if enacted via legislation, but many are not good fits on a constitutional amendment. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: DC Al Fine on March 31, 2014, 04:09:56 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on March 31, 2014, 08:48:22 PM Nay.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 01, 2014, 07:48:06 PM AYE
Vote on Amendment 60:17 by shua: Aye (8): bore, DC al Fine, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua, Talleyrand, and TyriontheImperialist Nay (2): Alfred F. Jones and TNF Abstain (0): Didn't Vote (0): The amendment has been adopted. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 01, 2014, 08:10:54 PM I guess I can support th'amended form,
though it's not exactly all for which I'd hoped. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 01, 2014, 08:51:30 PM Quote from: Amendment=60:21 by TNF 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof, as well as a right to all medical procedures necessary for the fulfillment of this right, free of charge. [/quote]Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: YOu still want this man? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on April 02, 2014, 02:01:13 AM as the person who asked tnf for this amendment, i hope it still goes forward.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on April 02, 2014, 09:01:16 AM Yes, I'd still like to see that amendment, but can I see the current text of the amendment before we go forward with a vote?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 02, 2014, 02:25:13 PM That there amendment makes me filled with joy
on seeing th'expansion of transgender right. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 02, 2014, 07:22:31 PM Quote from: This is I think Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 02, 2014, 07:54:19 PM Quote from: This is I think Bill of Rights Amendment Section IV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. 19. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 03, 2014, 08:22:26 PM One thing I have never managed to fix is my out of control highlighting on long posts. It is an XP thing that started back in 2011.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 05, 2014, 08:56:57 AM Quote from: Amendment=60:21 by TNF 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof, as well as a right to all medical procedures necessary for the fulfillment of this right, free of charge. [/quote]Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Senators have 24 hours to object to the amendment. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 05, 2014, 09:47:58 AM I object.
I don't believe that a right to have an elective procedure free of charge should be in the constitution. If we did that for every medical procedure it would mean we'd have to spend more and raise more taxes and it would be impossible to reform health care spending. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 06, 2014, 07:16:58 PM Quote from: Amendment=60:21 by TNF 28. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof, as well as a right to all medical procedures necessary for the fulfillment of this right, free of charge. Sponsor Feedback: Origination Status: Objection filed by SEnator shua. A vote is now opne on the amendent, Senators please vote Aye, NAy or aBstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Goldwater on April 06, 2014, 07:37:33 PM NAY
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 07, 2014, 05:42:10 AM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: bore on April 07, 2014, 07:26:05 AM Nay For the same reason as I voted against the other amendment. I support free medical procedures but I don't think this should be included in the constitution.
Also, proposing an amendment: Quote from: Amendment=60:whatever by bore 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Lumine on April 07, 2014, 07:52:30 AM Nay.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: TNF on April 07, 2014, 09:23:01 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 07, 2014, 09:51:00 AM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: President Tyrion on April 07, 2014, 05:10:16 PM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 07, 2014, 05:25:40 PM NAY
Vote on Amemdent 60:21 by TNF Aye (2): Alfred F. Jones and TNF Nay (6): bore, Goldwater, Lumine, NC Yankee, shua and TyriontheImperialist Abstain (0): Didn't Vote (2): DC al Fine and Talleyrand The amendment has been rejected. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 07, 2014, 05:26:46 PM Sponsor, you like bore's amendment or you no like bore's amendment?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 09, 2014, 05:11:52 PM Senator?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 10, 2014, 06:16:50 PM Quote from: Amendment=60:33 by bore 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Sponsor Feedback: None Given Status: A Vote is now open on the above amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 10, 2014, 06:36:22 PM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Lumine on April 10, 2014, 08:26:32 PM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: DC Al Fine on April 10, 2014, 08:54:13 PM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: TNF on April 11, 2014, 12:42:01 AM Aye
Sorry I missed that earlier. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: bore on April 11, 2014, 06:33:53 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Talleyrand on April 11, 2014, 06:42:37 AM AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: President Tyrion on April 11, 2014, 02:46:09 PM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 11, 2014, 05:23:17 PM AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Amendment at Vote) Post by: Cincinnatus on April 11, 2014, 05:31:32 PM Vote on Amendment 60:33 by bore:
Aye (7): Alfred F. Jones, Lumine, TNF, bore, Talleyrand, Tyrion, and Yankee Nay (1): DC Al Fine Abstain (0): Didn't Vote (2): shua, Goldwater The amendment has been adopted. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 11, 2014, 05:33:54 PM Fantastic. :)
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 12, 2014, 05:54:08 AM So is this finished?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 12, 2014, 03:25:16 PM I don't want to shut off the possibility of community service or service to a victim as restitution for a crime, so making all involuntary servitude as punishment unconstitutional might be a bad idea.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on April 12, 2014, 07:44:11 PM I don't want to shut off the possibility of community service or service to a victim as restitution for a crime, so making all involuntary servitude as punishment unconstitutional might be a bad idea. Oh, hadn't even thought about those as being forms of involuntary servitude. :P I'm comfortable striking that part out, then. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 13, 2014, 06:01:26 PM amendment
Quote Bill of Rights Amendment Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. [/s] Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. 19. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on April 13, 2014, 11:16:44 PM Amendment is friendly.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 14, 2014, 04:43:59 PM Quote from: Amendment 60:44 by shua Bill of Rights Amendment Quote 4. Slavery or involuntary servitude is forbidden in Atlasia. [/s] Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed by a civilian court of law. Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. 19. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Sponsor Feedback: Friendly Status: Senators have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Cincinnatus on April 15, 2014, 05:45:37 PM The amendment is adopted.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 15, 2014, 08:14:33 PM Anything more here on this?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 15, 2014, 08:49:19 PM I'm going to put forward this amendment to prohibit capital punishment outside of civilian courts as well. The military tribunal loophole has been bugging me and I think closing it fits in with the rest of this:
Quote Bill of Rights Amendment Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. 19. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on April 15, 2014, 10:02:03 PM Friendly
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 15, 2014, 10:53:18 PM Quote from: Amendment 60:54 by shua Bill of Rights Amendment Section XIII of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted, nor shall capital punishment be prescribed Section XIV of Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote No person shall be denied their right to vote or candidacy on basis of nationality, race, religion, sex, sexuality, age, political affiliation, socioeconomic status, service in the armed forces, imprisonment, previous conviction of a crime, disability, or gender identity. Article IV of the Third Constitution of the Republic of Atlasia is amended to read as follows: Quote 18. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction have the right to speak whichever language they wish. 19. No person shall be involuntarily sterilized by the Republic of Atlasia for any reason. 20. All persons residing within the Republic of Atlasia or any territory subject to its jurisdiction shall have a right to official recognition of their gender identity or lack thereof. Sponsor Feedback: Friendly Status: Senators have 24 hours to object. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Cincinnatus on April 17, 2014, 06:50:53 AM The amendment is adopted.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 17, 2014, 06:44:08 PM Is that all here?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Debating) Post by: TNF on April 18, 2014, 10:01:56 AM I am ready for a final vote.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 18, 2014, 07:14:21 PM A final vote is now open on this Constitutional Amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 18, 2014, 07:19:13 PM AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Goldwater on April 18, 2014, 11:24:30 PM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Lumine on April 19, 2014, 12:01:31 AM Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 19, 2014, 12:50:14 AM I just noticed that my amendment text inadvertently left out the part about life imprisonment w/o parole and solitary confinement.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: President Tyrion on April 19, 2014, 01:24:58 AM I request that the PPT halt the vote, using his Article 5, Section 1, Clause 3 powers under OSPR.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 19, 2014, 09:53:18 AM The vote is halted. Senators have 72 hours to object.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 20, 2014, 12:26:23 AM So amendment to fix that problem?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 21, 2014, 07:08:14 PM Shua? Anybody?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 21, 2014, 09:46:21 PM I wanted to bring up the fact that we had left out something, but I'm not actually inclined to put forward an amendment to put it back in at least the same as it was. Based on what we've tried before, the ban on life sentences would make this amendment unlikely to pass, and the ban on solitary confinement should really have some defining parameters as to what qualifies.
So I'm sorta wondering what TNF or anyone else wants to do at this point. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 22, 2014, 12:54:14 AM So do we leave it out to improve the chnaces of passing, TNF? Other interested parties?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: TNF on April 22, 2014, 10:06:06 AM I suppose leaving it out for now is fine, given that the last time we tried to ban life imprisonment without parole, it went down in flames.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 22, 2014, 06:31:26 PM So are we game for yet another final vote then? Tyrion, you requested it be halted, you on board with a vote now?
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: President Tyrion on April 23, 2014, 01:06:36 AM Yeah, if we don't want to put that stuff back in, I'm game
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Vote Halted) Post by: TNF on April 23, 2014, 08:47:57 AM Go for it.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 23, 2014, 06:13:03 PM A final vote is now open once again on this Constitutional Amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 23, 2014, 06:24:04 PM A final vote is now open once again on this Constitutional Amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. just to be clear, this is a resumption of the vote, not the vote starting over? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Talleyrand on April 23, 2014, 06:57:43 PM AYE
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: President Tyrion on April 24, 2014, 05:10:34 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY on April 24, 2014, 05:22:44 AM Aye.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: DC Al Fine on April 24, 2014, 06:03:50 AM Nay
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: TNF on April 24, 2014, 10:38:18 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: bore on April 24, 2014, 11:03:27 AM Aye
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Lumine on April 24, 2014, 12:59:58 PM Nay.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 24, 2014, 05:52:40 PM A final vote is now open once again on this Constitutional Amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. just to be clear, this is a resumption of the vote, not the vote starting over? Its a new vote as I don't think there are provisions to restart a stopped vote where it left off. That is because typiclaly the text needs to be changed and it wouldn't make sense to carry votes over from a vote on a text that no longer exists. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Goldwater on April 24, 2014, 05:57:44 PM Abstain
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 24, 2014, 08:28:27 PM A final vote is now open once again on this Constitutional Amendment, Senators please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain. just to be clear, this is a resumption of the vote, not the vote starting over? Its a new vote as I don't think there are provisions to restart a stopped vote where it left off. That is because typiclaly the text needs to be changed and it wouldn't make sense to carry votes over from a vote on a text that no longer exists. Ok, thanks. AYE Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Cincinnatus on April 25, 2014, 05:37:05 PM We're one AYE vote away from passing this. Current tally is 6-2, with one abstention.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 28, 2014, 05:01:01 AM I am hessitant to fail this. I like the middle section and the bottom portion.
But on the flip side I do support capital punishment and am hessitant to remove it from the military. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on April 28, 2014, 08:28:16 AM I am hessitant to fail this. I like the middle section and the bottom portion. But on the flip side I do support capital punishment and am hessitant to remove it from the military. Is there any particular benefit to retaining it specifically in the military? Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: TNF on April 28, 2014, 10:50:25 AM I am hessitant to fail this. I like the middle section and the bottom portion. But on the flip side I do support capital punishment and am hessitant to remove it from the military. Is there any particular benefit to retaining it specifically in the military? Nope. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Cincinnatus on April 28, 2014, 04:57:49 PM This vote will end in about an hour.
Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (At Final Vote) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 28, 2014, 07:15:47 PM I am hessitant to fail this. I like the middle section and the bottom portion. But on the flip side I do support capital punishment and am hessitant to remove it from the military. Is there any particular benefit to retaining it specifically in the military? The military is charged with the use and possession of deadly force for the defense of the nation and its people. That force could be used against the people and discipline is thus essential and I worry that without capital punishment, it could be harder to maintain order, particularly in a war environment if such were to occur at some point. Title: Re: SENATE BILL: Bill of Rights Amendment (Failed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on April 28, 2014, 07:18:06 PM Vote on Final Passage of the Bill of Rights Amendment:
Aye (6): Alfred F. Jones, bore, shua, Talleyrand, TNF and TyriontheImperialist Nay (2): DC al Fine and Lumine Abstain (1): Goldwater Didn't Vote (1): NC Yankee (I would voted nay anyway. I need to get back to doing the Senate when I first come on). The amendment has been rejected. |