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The poster girls for jihad: Interpol searches for two Austrian teens 'who went to Syria to fight for Islamic rebels'.

    Samra* Kesinovic, 16, and Sabina* Selimovic, 15, vanished on April 10
    Social media posts then began, showing girls in Islamic dress
    Interpol believes they have been tricked into going to Syria
    Shocking photographs shown one of the girls with AK-47-wielding men

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Samra and Sabina come from Bosnian refugee families who settled in Austria after the ethnic wars of the 1990s, and were born in the country.

New photos on their Facebook pages show them brandishing Kalashnikov rifles - and in some cases surrounded by armed men.

In the latest posting they announced plans to marry so that they could become 'holy warriors' and in the messages they say: 'Death is our goal'.

However, their families doubt that the messages were written by them.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2607735/The-poster-girls-jihad-Interpol-searches-two-Austrian-teens-Syria-fighting-Islamic-rebels.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

* not their real names

It looks like their parents led a liberal lifestyle (like most of the Bosnian-Muslim immigrants from the early 90s), but the girls went to some radical preacher in a mosque who radicalized them (or: they became radicals over the Internet and the mosque-people only arranged their flight to Turkey and transport to Syria ...)

Anyway, terrible form of brainwashing.

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Well that's stupid. No sympathy for them.

'Brainwashing'? It looks like they did it willingly.

That's not entirely sure yet: It became known that they could have become radicalized when they went to Bosnia a few times to visit their relatives there and went to a local fundamentalist mosque (which has also a branch in Vienna).

They either did this voluntarlily (but, what's more likely) - 14-year old girls are easy targets for these sorts of fundamentalists. They just need to put them under pressure or make threats.

If they did it voluntarily, it's still "brainwashing" - because they believe the silly motives of radical Islam and think that they might have any influence in this deadly war.

From the "Spiegel":


http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/dschihad-in-syrien-interpol-sucht-zwei-maedchen-aus-oesterreich-a-965254.html

http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/missing/2014-22373

http://www.interpol.int/notice/search/missing/2014-22367

"The girls, media reports, have visited the Altun-Alem mosque in Vienna, before they vanished. The hate preacher Ebu Tejma is currently there. He is known as one of the most radical salafists in Europe."

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A quick research on Youtube reveals that Ebu Tejma also praised Osama Bin Laden as a man "who did a great job in building up the Islamist terror cells all over the planet".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC2an05l-Yo

People tilt at windmills for all sorts of reasons. To say that voluntarily taking extreme and quixotic actions in the service of extreme and quixotic beliefs is itself brainwashing simply because of the extremity and quixotic nature of the actions and beliefs strikes me as lazy, and something of an insult to people who actually have been brainwashed. It doesn't help give us any understanding of how these things happen or how these people think.

Yes I agree, brainwashing demand much more than this. These girls choose to become extremists, yes they may be young and stupid, but so are most of the people when they start embracing extreme ideologies.

So while I feel sorry for the parents, whatever happens to these girls, they have brought it on themselves, and I feel no more sorry for them, than for any other person, who tries to spread pain and suffering to the innocent.

Difficult to tell from one picture, but the one on the right doesn't look too hard on the eyes.

Thanks for your contribution.

Looks like they are not coming back anymore ...


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/511142/One-of-two-Austrian-girls-fled-Syria-fight-IS-killed

RIP. They went quite far within their teenage stupidity, it must be devastating for their families. :/

RIP. A sad testament to adolescent stupidity. I'm not going to say what I think it says about raising children to believe faith is a virtue, or that clerics should be trusted at all; I don't want to be considered a fedora-style atheist.

I also don't really understand why the media is pushing these stories as if being a mercenary is a crazy novel activity that nobody did until ISIS came along.

She lived by the sword, she died by the sword. While I'm of coursethink it's sad for the girl's parents, I feel more sad for all the parents in Syria, whose children didn't decide to support a bunch of psychopaths, who have seen their children been killed or otherwise abused. She's dead, there are little more to say to that, except I hope all the other ISIS volunteers in Syria and Iraq join her.

Well it certainly says something about raising children to believe in a ~certain~ faith as a virtue...

I'm glad you're avoiding the usual fedora/"euphoric"/neckbeard style of many interweb atheists ;)


I feel terribly for their parents, but as for them.... play stupid games win stupid prizes. Frankly I hope ISIS drains Europe of its Islamic militants so they can be obliterated with the rest of that that group.

The teenage rebellion aspect is interesting in this case. I have the feeling that if this were the 70s, they would have been Maoists or the like

Good news, everyone! She's not dead but pregnant.

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She's a pretty young white girl in Syria, what did anyone think was gonna happen?

Why do girls and women go for movements like these? Is roughly 40% of the population Masochistic?

Pretty sure ISIS is mostly male.

Same reason any intelligent person would go and fight as a mercenary; a sense of boredom and angst - and being entranced by whatever fanciful garbage propagandists use against vulnerable youth. Everyone wants to be a heroine for their silly cause :(

FBI probing if 3 American teens detained in Germany attempted to join ISIS

The FBI says it is investigating the possibility that three American teenage girls were attempting to join the Islamic State in Syria when they were detained in Germany.

A law enforcement source told Fox News Tuesday that the girls are home in Colorado after they were tracked down in Frankfurt. The three girls are all under the age of 18 and are not expected to face charges. Two of the girls are of Somali descent and one is of Sudanese descent, according to the source.

VOA News reported Sunday that the girls had vanished from their homes last week and traveled from Colorado to Chicago, and then Frankfurt. The girls’ family members reported them missing to authorities in Denver, who then worked with authorities in Germany to track them down.

According to VOA News, one of the girls told German authorities they were planning to go to Turkey “to study."

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Yeah, exactly. To "study" ... ::)

More like "to get raped, get pregnant, enslaved and abused".

Well I mean Lana and Pam are both field agents.

Don't  these girls understand they're going to be treated like dirt, raped, probably killed later?

Fundamentalists Muslims usually aren't big on rape, unless it's spousal rape.

Well Jihad Jane's not going there for casual sex, but one in the U.S. went to marry one of the fighters, if I remember the story.........ugh.

Yes you think, if you only used ones prejudices to think how they behave. The fact is that mujahedin have been well known for beastiality, their rapes of young boys (11-14 year old) are well documented (especially in Afghanistan, through this is also a general problem among the population at large) and the use of captive women as concubines are also well documented (and are defended theological).

Sounds a bit like England lately.

2 more girls likely on the way to Syria:

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2 Austrian-born sisters of Turkish-origin missing since Saturday (their mobile phones are dead and their passports are gone with them as well).

http://www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Zogen_Wiener_Schwestern_in_den_Heiligen_Krieg-Maedchen_vermisst-Story-426324

That's now ca. 40 girls/women out of 160 Austrians who went to Syria/Iraq. 70 of the 160 are already back home again and being watched by the authorities, 40 are dead and 50 are still abroad.

Disgusting.

Another 2 teenie girls detained:


http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/01/11/world/europe/ap-eu-austria-islamic-state.html

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Don't know what's wrong with these teenie girls. Other girls are scratching their eyeballs out if they can't visit a Justin Bieber concert and these chicks would do the same if they cannot go to Syria and try again and again. Probably the same teenage stupidity. And when they are 35 years old, they look back and realize how dumb they were when they were young ...

And they are already free again:


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/13/us-mideast-crisis-austria-idUSKBN0KM1J620150113

If they want to go to Syria, let them go to Syria. Self deportation is a solution.