Talk Elections

Who will win the presidential election in 2008? Will it be a close election? Or will one party stand out from the rest?

Hillary might be running, Gulianai will not.  But if he were, he'd easily beat her.

John Kerry for a second term!

Gov Bill Owens of Colorado over either Hillary Clinton or PA Gov Ed Rendell.....over Clinton by alot by Rendell over a little

Owens / Voinovich 2008

Guiliani/Rice in '08!

other - Bill Richardson Maybe

Hillary won't be the nominee.

Neither will win.  Hillary doesn't have enough experience or support, and Giuliani probably won't run, even though he could win.

wrong nominees...Owens and Edwards I think.

No, I assure you it won't, Hillary won't win the primaries.

Hillary wuldn't win a primary...she would be busted in the south.

Nostradamus says a woman will take power in 2008...

But fate sucks.  Go Guiliani (if he runs)

rudy wouldn't win the nomination because he's too moderate for the types that vote in republican primaries.
kerry/bush rematch in '08 :)

where did he said that?

A tie!

A 3 way tie!  

Guiliani wont run.. if he did run, he wont win the nomination. Hilliary will run... but wont win the nomination(perhaps she might be running-mate).

Republicans:
I think colin powell might run and might win the nomination(hopefully-not) and chose rice as his running mate.  

Democrates:
John edwards will probley win the nomination and make hillary his running-mate.

(nader wont go for it again)

Powell/Rice

VS

Edwards/Clinton

EDWARDS/CLINTON will win.

I want Colorado Governor Bill Owens in 2008.

you mean "who will win in 2012"

:)

Giuiliani because Hillary is a woman. Sorry, this nation is not ready for a female president.

However, Giuiliani is one of the rarest republicans I enjoy because I am from NYC. He was tough on crime, and I really liked that. Made the city a bit more clean.

2008:

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John Edwards (NC)/Harold Ford Jr. (TN) 358
Bill Owens (CO)/Jim Talent (MO) 180

neither one will be the nominee. You're on crack if you think Guiliani could win a nationwide Republican primary.

THAT is more likely than Hillary Vs Guiliani, and a likely result imo.

Hillary will not run!
Or if for some dumb reason she did, she wouldn't get the nomination!

Hillary can't and won't win

didn't they take a poll showing that a vast majority of people don't want her to run

something like 75%

I think owens would win Arizona, Tenesse, and North Carolina. They do not have a history of Democratic controll.

I lived by Voinovich when he was mayor. Met him It think.

I think you overrate Edwards as a cnadidate.  He would not win re-election to the Senate this year if he were running.  He'd not win any of those southern states.  I'll believe that Harold Ford can carry Tennessee when he wins a Senate race there, until then he's just another nobody hitting .320 in AA ball.

Edwards also stunk up the Dem primaries in Ohio and Michigan, calling into question whther he could win those states in a general.  His overly southern accent didn't wear well in the rustbelt.

His only strenght is in farm states.  He'd hold his own in Iowa and Wisconsin, but I can't see him doing well in the southwest or the moderate New England states (Maine, New Hampshire).  He is a southern populist in the tradition of Al Gore Sr. in a south that doesn't want populists anymore.

If Edwards was to jump back into the NC Senate race now (which he won't), he'd win a landslide...

If he was so confident he was going to win, maybe he would have come back to the race.  I suspect he is not so confident.

Democrats have already picked a candidate for the race so he couldn't.

The NC Dems have pick Erskine Bowles (who lost to Dole in 2002).
He's currently in the lead over Burr, because he's been banging on about trade.

not a landslide, maybe 5-10% win.

"Landslide" depends on your interpretation of the word ;)
Over 10% certainly

If Kerry wins 2004, then Kerry 2008.

If Bush wins 2004 -

I'll say a Dem and go with Tom Vilsek (sp?) of Iowa.

Edwards in 2008!!!!!

I don't think that matters any more. The Dems are not going to take the South for a couple of generations, I'd say. Florida is the only important exception.

But on the other hand Vermont which only voted for one Democrat from 1856-1988 will never vote Republican again in the foreseeable future.

She wouldn't win any southern states in an election if she was chosen.

He was referring to the Southern PRIMARIES, in which she would be slaughtered by other Democrats.

Against Rice she might...

Hillary Clinton Vs Condoleeza Rice?????

That will happen when Pigs not only fly, they fly a mission to the moon and return with cheese that turns them into a fighting force to be reckoned with, thus creating a new Piggy World Power that will take over the world.

THEN that election will happen.

I don't think Clinton would do that bad with Southern (largly black) Democrats. A regional candidate like Edwards might give her trouble. She could do well in Iowa, but might have some trouble in New Hampshire.

I choose other cause I'll be voting for John Kerry for reelection

Over Clinton, Giuliani would win.

Rudy is the man.

Both of these people will have a VERY hard time getting elected by their party. Rudy is too liberal......and Hillary is just........well......Hillary. So if ONE of them were to get nominated...that would surpise the hell out of me....but if BOTH get nominated TOGETHER....and run AGAINST one another.....then it will be the end of the world......

I don't think either will be running in 2008.  Rudy will just be getting used to the perks of his new senate seat while Hillary is sulking in her forced retirement.

If Hillary does manage to survive reelection to the Senate, I would love to see a Hillary Clinton vs. Condoleeza Rice campaign.  Would that not be an entertaining race.  I think Condi would win a landslide.

No landslide.  Turnout in the south would be SUPERLOW unless a Roy Moore emerged, then we would be looking at no electoral majority.

That's why she'd have to put a good old boy on the ticket.  Roy Moore would help.  Jeb Bush would be a good VP pick.  Chambliss would be another good pick.

But I think you underestimate southern voters when you say turnout would be really low.  There would be some who wouldn't be that excited at the prospect of a Rice presidency, but they might be motivated to go out and vote against Hillary Clinton.  Don't underestimate the level of animosity that a lot of Americans have for that woman.

That is true.....there would be just as much turnout against her as there would be for her, if not more.

If Bush wins in 2004, Edwards wins in a landslide in 2008.  

Kerry wins in 2004, he gets re-elected in 2008 with Edwards as his VP, Edwards goes on to win in 2012.  

Either way, John Edwards will be President someday.  

Edwards wont be President. He couldnt even beat a lackluster Kerry this time around....assuming he is not VP, what is he going to do to make himself a viable candiate in 08 and stay in the limelight?

People voted solely on front-runner status this time around.  By the time Edwards made his move in Iowa, Dean and Kerry already had a good 75% of the support in NH.  The NH results downplayed how well Edwards did in Iowa.  Everyone though, "oh, Kerry got NH and IA, he just HAS to be the winner!"  So they all voted Kerry.  

Ask ANY Republican on this board.  Who would you rather go up against?  Kerry or Edwards?  

I would rather go up against Kerry, but still how is Edwards going to remain a viable national figure if he is out of politics

I'd say Kerry for a second term.  I don't think Hillary would win that soon.  Given how much she's been vilified by the right, she would need to have a much longer tenure in the Senate.  Maybe in ten years of so.  She'd make an awesome president though.

Kerry will be re-electede in 2008

Turnout in the south would be 20%.  Only women would vote.

Hillary would probably win FL, LA, and AR, will Bill's help.

If a Roy Moore-type ran he could take AL, MS, GA, SC, etc.

Mayor Rudolph Giuiliani (R-NY)

VS

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

O. That would be so nice. It would be a win-win situation for me. I think I would vote 3rd party because I wouldn't want to cast a vote against any of these 2.

I am sure many men would vote Giuliani, GOP's Giuliani. In a somewhat close race:

Giuliani- 302
Clinton- 236

Probably because he has bigger & better things in mind.  VP

Kerry/Edwards ticket will win in 04 & in 08.  I think Edwards then will be the frontrunner for Pres in 12.   Unless Guliani is the Republican running against hilary in 06, she gets re-elected to a 2nd term (her approval is in the 60's now) and possibly she will be a Candidate inn the Primary with Edwards, possibly becoming Edwards's VP in 12.   Kerry loses this year, I see Edwards leading the Dems in 08, wither possibility of Clinton as the VP

Hillary won't be VP in 2012.  She would be 65

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Giuliani (R) - 269
Clinton (D) - 231
Moore (I) - 38

Election to house, Giuliani wins.

I'm horrible at these things btw, this is just an out-of-the-blue guess.

Elizabeth Dole is who I'm going to support in 2008 provided that Senator Kyl does not run.

You've gotta think a Governor will get the nod. Bill Owens has been groomed but isn't a sure thing. Maybe not though... a few solid candidates in the Senate. Frist wants it, Hagel probably does, Allen definitely does.

Welcome to the forum.

Not sure about Hagel, he may have to wait until 2012. Definitely a President in the making, though. Frist looks more like a running-mate to me; I can envisage a Giuliani/Frist ticket for 2008. But of course there's the question over whether mainstream Republicans would accept a pro-choicer like Rudy as their candidate.

Put it this way... if we were taking a poll in 1972, how many people would have said that Jimmy Carter would be elected in 1976?

Neither will be nominated.

Could 2008 look like a NY Governor Race?

i don't think either would be good candidates.

We democrats won't take Hillary. She lacks Bill's ability to deal with a crowd, and is stiff and shrill when speaking. John Edwards or Howard Dean will get the nod, I'll bet if Kerry loses.

No mention of Obama or McCain apparently.

We did get this nice bit, though.

Yeah, how would people have said a Hawaiian Black community organizer from Chicago who hadn't even been elected to the Seante yet in 2004?