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Title: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: chris allen on April 01, 2005, 07:23:44 PM
We're all aware that the evangelical born again vote is what gave Bush the edge in 2004. Just for "what if" discussion, that the evangelical vote was the same % in 2004 as it was in 2000. Also take "gay marriage" out of the equation.

Would John Kerry have won or would have Bush still squeaked by? What states would Kerry have picked up as a result?


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on April 05, 2005, 07:51:29 PM
Absolutely not, Kerry would've won NM, IA, FL, OH....it wouldn't have even been close.  It was those whackos that won it for Bush. 


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 05, 2005, 08:23:30 PM

I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Jake on April 05, 2005, 09:36:14 PM
Why do you think you lose?  Whackos?  Have fun being the minority.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 06, 2005, 11:46:17 AM
I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.

Does actually; Little Texas is mostly Baptist, while on tuther side of the state Catron (IIRC) county is mostly Mormon.
There's also a growing amount of hispanic Evangelicals.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 06, 2005, 11:49:14 AM
Minnesota wouldn't have even been close.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 06, 2005, 02:04:51 PM
Minnesota wouldn't have even been close.

If by Evangelical you mean Fundamentalist, you're correct.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on April 06, 2005, 09:31:21 PM
Minnesota wouldn't have even been close.

If by Evangelical you mean Fundamentalist, you're correct.

There are very few non-fundamentalist evangelicals here. If you're talking about Evangelical Lutherans, I'm one and we are NOT evangelical. It's one of those weird name things, but we're a rather liberal mainline denomination, not an evangelical one.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: PBrunsel on April 07, 2005, 03:45:42 PM
Minnesota wouldn't have even been close.

To tell you the truth I don't think it was that close to begin with. :)


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: jokerman on April 07, 2005, 03:59:47 PM
I'm sure Kerry would have won.  I'll do some research on the matter.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: WMS on April 08, 2005, 12:15:44 AM
I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.

Does actually; Little Texas is mostly Baptist, while on tuther side of the state Catron (IIRC) county is mostly Mormon.
There's also a growing amount of hispanic Evangelicals.

You would know, having been working on that Political Analysis of NM...oh, yeah, how's that coming? ;D

Catron is Mormon? Explains a lot, actually.

And Carson would've beaten Coburn, right? Right? Hopefully? :o


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: minionofmidas on April 08, 2005, 08:14:48 AM
I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.

Does actually; Little Texas is mostly Baptist, while on tuther side of the state Catron (IIRC) county is mostly Mormon.
There's also a growing amount of hispanic Evangelicals.

You would know, having been working on that Political Analysis of NM...oh, yeah, how's that coming? ;D

Catron is Mormon? Explains a lot, actually.

And Carson would've beaten Coburn, right? Right? Hopefully? :o
Definitely.
Well, actually, Coburn wouldn't have gotten past the primary. ;D
And Kerry would've at least won some counties in the state.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: WMS on April 12, 2005, 12:09:26 AM
I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.

Does actually; Little Texas is mostly Baptist, while on tuther side of the state Catron (IIRC) county is mostly Mormon.
There's also a growing amount of hispanic Evangelicals.

You would know, having been working on that Political Analysis of NM...oh, yeah, how's that coming? ;D

Catron is Mormon? Explains a lot, actually.

And Carson would've beaten Coburn, right? Right? Hopefully? :o
Definitely.
Well, actually, Coburn wouldn't have gotten past the primary. ;D
And Kerry would've at least won some counties in the state.
Yeah, those were some extreme results...mind you, these same people elected a Democrat to the House in SE Oklahoma, so it makes for some interesting ticket-splitting...


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: tarheel-leftist85 on June 25, 2005, 11:40:48 AM
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VA-49.7/49.5
WV-52/47
NC-52/48
SC-55/44
GA-55/44
AL-63/35 (had little to do with evangelicals)
MS-57/43
LA-52/47
TN-52/47
FL-49.6/49.6
AR-49.8/49.2
MO-49.7/49.3
Kerry gets 52+% in MI, MN & PA; 51+% in WI; and 50+% in IA.  Stays the same in most of the Northeast, Pacific Coast.  Utah is still Bush 70+%--I don't think they consider themselves evangelicals.


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: Platypus on June 27, 2005, 09:31:42 AM
I don't believe NM has a high evangelical vote.

Does actually; Little Texas is mostly Baptist, while on tuther side of the state Catron (IIRC) county is mostly Mormon.
There's also a growing amount of hispanic Evangelicals.

Is it just me or is the whole Evangelical Guatemala thing scaring you, too?


Title: Re: 2004: What if evangelical vote was the same percent in 04 as in 00?
Post by: 12th Doctor on June 29, 2005, 01:36:53 PM
We're all aware that the evangelical born again vote is what gave Bush the edge in 2004. Just for "what if" discussion, that the evangelical vote was the same % in 2004 as it was in 2000. Also take "gay marriage" out of the equation.

Would John Kerry have won or would have Bush still squeaked by? What states would Kerry have picked up as a result?

In case you weren't aware, Charlie Cook states clearly in the Cook Report for the 2004 election that the number of evangelicals who voted in this election showed a 0% change of the total electorate from 2000.  I should know, I heard it from his mouth three times.