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A liberal Protestant.  I am not particularly bound to any sect, and am actually considering Roman Catholicism.

Other. I believe that God exists, but I have no firm beliefs as to the details. So I guess I'm what would be called a Deist; the Unitarian Universalists appeal to me, as well.

What's Jeiwish?

Agnostic. Voted other.

An unaffiliated Monotheist/Pantheist.
Basically the same as Nym, then. :)

Protestant

Anglican

Dave

Presbyterian, considering switch to Primitive Baptist.

Try the Belief-O-Matic at beliefnet.com (http://www.beliefnet.com/story/76/story_7665_1.html)

The American branch (currently) of the Anglican Church.

Roman Catholic

None/Not sure/Don´t care :D

If that's the same test as the one on SelectSmart, and it certainly looks that way from the first few questions, then I'm supposed to be a Liberal Quaker.

this is what I got last time I took that:

1.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%) ------> true
2.    Orthodox Quaker (82%)
3.    Liberal Quakers (82%)
4.    Unitarian Universalism (72%)
5.    Reform Judaism (64%)
6.    Seventh Day Adventist (62%)
7.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (61%)
8.    Eastern Orthodox (56%)
9.    Roman Catholic (56%)
10.    Bahá'í Faith (50%)
11.    New Age (48%)
12.    Neo-Pagan (48%)
13.    Secular Humanism (48%)
14.    Hinduism (45%)
15.    Sikhism (40%)
16.    Mahayana Buddhism (39%)
17.    Orthodox Judaism (39%)
18.    New Thought (38%)
19.    Theravada Buddhism (38%)
20.    Islam (35%)
21.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (35%)
22.    Scientology (34%)
23.    Taoism (32%)
24.    Jainism (30%)
25.    Nontheist (23%)
26.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (21%)
27.    Jehovah's Witness (19%)

That was my number one, too.  I was raised Catholic, but that came in dead last.  Maybe this test isn't so accurate.

or maybe your views aren't like what you were raised in. I am sure my mom would get Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants at #1, and she was raised Catholic, although she is now a Mainline Protestant and not Catholic.

I took it again and it's basically the same:

1.  Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%) 
2.  Liberal Quakers (87%) 
3.  Orthodox Quaker (81%) 
4.  Unitarian Universalism (80%) 
5.  Reform Judaism (72%) 
6.  Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (61%) 
7.  Bahá'í Faith (59%) 
8.  Seventh Day Adventist (59%) 
9.  Eastern Orthodox (55%) 
10.  Roman Catholic (55%) 
11.  New Age (55%) 
12.  Neo-Pagan (53%) 
13.  Secular Humanism (52%) 
14.  Sikhism (49%) 
15.  Orthodox Judaism (47%) 
16.  Mahayana Buddhism (46%) 
17.  New Thought (44%) 
18.  Theravada Buddhism (44%) 
19.  Islam (42%) 
20.  Scientology (42%) 
21.  Taoism (39%) 
22.  Hinduism (39%) 
23.  Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (38%) 
24.  Jainism (36%) 
25.  Nontheist (30%) 
26.  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (27%) 
27.  Jehovah's Witness (16%) 

I got Roman Catholic and Mormon, the two I'm closest to belief wise. Judaism and Islam were close too.

Deist, which has only been listed once in the history of religion polls. :)

 I've been attending a Lutheran church for a couple weeks but don't consider myself a member. I'm also thinking about going back to the Catholic church.

Jeiwsh... well, kindof.  Really I am more JeWIsh.

Greek Orthodox

Jewish

Agnostic (though I do celebrate some Jewish and Christian holidays). Voted other.

I am a Roman Catholic, but here are my results.  They are strange to say the least, with Orthodox Judaism and Islam rated higher than Roman Catholicism.  I knew I didn't pick a lot of the "right" Catholic answers because I don't always take the bible literally.

 1.  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (100%) 
2.  Orthodox Judaism (91%) 
3.  Sikhism (85%) 
4.  Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (84%) 
5.  Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%) 
6.  Reform Judaism (81%) 
7.  Islam (79%) 
8.  Jehovah's Witness (79%) 
9.  Orthodox Quaker (74%) 
10.  Eastern Orthodox (73%) 
11.  Roman Catholic (73%) 
12.  Bahá'í Faith (66%) 
13.  Hinduism (64%) 
14.  Seventh Day Adventist (63%) 
15.  Liberal Quakers (58%) 
16.  Unitarian Universalism (55%) 
17.  Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (44%) 
18.  New Thought (43%) 
19.  Jainism (41%) 
20.  Scientology (39%) 
21.  Neo-Pagan (37%) 
22.  New Age (33%) 
23.  Mahayana Buddhism (31%) 
24.  Theravada Buddhism (29%) 
25.  Secular Humanism (27%) 
26.  Taoism (23%) 
27.  Nontheist (22%) 
 

1.    Unitarian Universalism (100%)    
2.    Secular Humanism (94%)    
3.    Liberal Quakers (92%)    
4.    Theravada Buddhism (89%)    
5.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)    
6.    Bahá'í Faith (73%)    
7.    Nontheist (71%)    
8.    Neo-Pagan (67%)    
9.    Orthodox Quaker (63%)    
10.    Mahayana Buddhism (62%)    
11.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (61%)
12.    Taoism (58%)    
13.    Jainism (57%)    
14.    New Age (56%)    
15.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (50%)    
16.    Reform Judaism (50%)    
17.    New Thought (47%)    
18.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (45%)    
19.    Scientology (44%)    
20.    Hinduism (42%)    
21.    Jehovah's Witness (40%)    
22.    Sikhism (40%)    
23.    Seventh Day Adventist (35%)    
24.    Islam (32%)    
25.    Orthodox Judaism (32%)    
26.    Eastern Orthodox (18%)    
27.    Roman Catholic (18%)

Question 12 of that test is b.s.  I don't see the option "Saved by faith" anywhere on it.

1.    Orthodox Quaker  (100%)
2.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (83%)
3.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%)
4.    Seventh Day Adventist (75%)
5.    Eastern Orthodox (68%)
6.    Roman Catholic (68%)
7.    Liberal Quakers (66%)
8.    Unitarian Universalism (54%)
9.    Reform Judaism (50%)
10.    Bah�'� Faith (48%)
11.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (47%)
12.    Islam (47%)
13.    Orthodox Judaism (47%)
14.    Mahayana Buddhism (43%)
15.    Theravada Buddhism (43%)
16.    Sikhism (40%)
17.    Neo-Pagan (38%)
18.    Hinduism (38%)
19.    New Age (37%)
20.    Jainism (36%)
21.    Secular Humanism (36%)
22.    Jehovah's Witness (34%)
23.    Taoism (34%)
24.    Scientology (30%)
25.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (30%)
26.    Nontheist (30%)
27.    New Thought (24%)

Yeah, well, I've retaken the test...

 1.  Liberal Quakers (100%) 
2.  Unitarian Universalism (95%) 
3.  Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (88%) 
4.  Neo-Pagan (82%) 
5.  Theravada Buddhism (81%) 
6.  Mahayana Buddhism (80%) 
7.  Taoism (79%) 
8.  New Age (74%) 
9.  Secular Humanism (71%) 
10.  Bahá'í Faith (69%) 
11.  Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (67%) 
12.  Jainism (64%) 
13.  New Thought (63%) 
14.  Orthodox Quaker (59%) 
15.  Reform Judaism (59%) 
16.  Scientology (58%) 
17.  Hinduism (58%) 
18.  Sikhism (55%) 
19.  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (42%) 
20.  Nontheist (41%) 
21.  Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (37%) 
22.  Jehovah's Witness (30%) 
23.  Seventh Day Adventist (30%) 
24.  Islam (25%) 
25.  Orthodox Judaism (25%) 
26.  Eastern Orthodox (14%) 
27.  Roman Catholic (14%) 
 
Feeling a little on the pantheist side today, obviously. Plus I'm very surprised at the Mainline Protestant result. No worse torture than a Lutheran sermon has ever been invented, in my experience. Last time I took the test, Islam got a percentage about twice that high, above 80% of the Christian groups listed. No. 1 & 2 are the same as always.

And I'd just like to point out this bit from the bottom of the page:
Copyright © 2000-2001 SelectSmart.com

I'm a Methodist and general Non Conformist.

On the test thing I got 100% Orthodox Quaker, 97% Liberal Quaker.

Maybe I should get meself one of those hats ;)

1.    Secular Humanism (100%)
2.    Unitarian Universalism (99%)
3.    Liberal Quakers (87%)
4.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
5.    Nontheist (74%)
6.    Theravada Buddhism (69%)
7.    Neo-Pagan (64%)
8.    Bah�'� Faith (56%)
9.    Taoism (50%)
10.    New Age (48%)
11.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (40%)
12.    Reform Judaism (38%)
13.    Mahayana Buddhism (37%)
14.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (36%)
15.    Orthodox Quaker (32%)
16.    Jainism (30%)
17.    Jehovah's Witness (30%)
18.    New Thought (30%)
19.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (26%)
20.    Sikhism (25%)
21.    Scientology (24%)
22.    Hinduism (19%)
23.    Seventh Day Adventist (17%)
24.    Eastern Orthodox (10%)
25.    Islam (10%)
26.    Orthodox Judaism (10%)
27.    Roman Catholic (10%)

Wow, Unitarianism looks pretty good.
And Mormom's and Jehovah's Witnesses are better than most other Christians.

They recommended Orthodox Judaism and Islam to me.

Anyway, how often is someone going to start threads like this?

Maybe we should have a poll on that... :)

Jewish

I got Orthodox Judaism and Islam on the test

I'm Catholic, and they suggested Liberal Protestantism, Jehovah's Witness (NEVER!), or Catholicism.

1.    Unitarian Universalism (100%)    
2.    Secular Humanism (97%)    
3.    Liberal Quakers (95%)    
4.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (87%)    
5.    Theravada Buddhism (85%)    
6.    Neo-Pagan (70%)    
7.    Nontheist (69%)    
8.    Bahá'í Faith (66%)    
9.    Taoism (61%)    
10.    New Age (60%)    
11.    Mahayana Buddhism (59%)    
12.    Orthodox Quaker (56%)    
13.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (55%)    
14.    Reform Judaism (53%)    
15.    Jainism (50%)    
16.    New Thought (46%)    
17.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (44%)    
18.    Scientology (43%)    
19.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (39%)    
20.    Jehovah's Witness (34%)    
21.    Sikhism (34%)    
22.    Hinduism (31%)    
23.    Seventh Day Adventist (29%)    
24.    Islam (26%)    
25.    Orthodox Judaism (26%)    
26.    Eastern Orthodox (13%)    
27.    Roman Catholic (13%)

I don't profess to have a belief in God, though I am of Episcopal ancestry, and I imagine I still associate with that church on a cultural level.

But of course!  What other religious background could one such as yourself have?

Are you two ever online at the same time?

I wonder, considering that Opebo recently posted a map of people in the U.S. named Cabot and Lowell in the "How common is your last name?" thread... ;)

I'm just a fan. 

remove that last "n" and replace it with a "g"

Prot

How many take their religion seriously?

I take my faith seriously; I take my denomination less so.

Same here

I would be happy to answer any questions that you might have.

Howdy!

Ex-LSD as they might say...I mean LDS...or do I!

Now I'm a presbyt.

On the test my No. 1 was 'Mainline to Conservative Christian Protestant' which I suppose is pretty much what I would consider myself to be. I'm not sure yet which denomination is my favorite; I'm currently a member of the United Methodist church but I think it's a bit too bureaucratic, the Baptist church looks pretty good except for being a bit too legalist, and I don't know enough about the other denominations to make an informed decision.

Other.

Animism

Presbyterian / U.C.C. myself.

Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestant by the quiz, what a surprise.

CofE

The heretic church.

OMG BURN HIM

Thanks, I'm sorry I provoked you ::), twat

My point is that the Church of England was founded in sin. The sins of Henry VIII. His belief that he had the RIGHT to divorce is more of his own vanity then any belief in true scripture. He was like the kid who never got what he wanted and got pissed and said, "I'm taking my ball and going home."

Let's see if I can make a name of what my religion really is :D

Umm... let's see, Christian, Agnostic, Deist, New Age...

New Chrignosist!  Chrignosist Age!  Ageistian Age!  New Deinotian!

If you really want to get specific, substitute 'Astrology' for 'New Age' and you can get Astrochrignosist, Chrignosistology, Ageistianology, or Astrodeinotian :)

Here's the OFISHAL SURVAY:
0.      CHRIGNOSISTOLOGY! (2983749837%)
1.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants  (100%)
2.    Liberal Quakers (88%)
3.    Unitarian Universalism (83%)
4.    Reform Judaism (79%)
5.    Orthodox Quaker (71%)
6.    Bahá'í Faith (60%)
7.    Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (60%)
8.    Neo-Pagan (57%)
9.    Seventh Day Adventist (57%)
10.    Sikhism (56%)
11.    Orthodox Judaism (55%)
12.    New Age (55%)
13.    Eastern Orthodox (55%)
14.    Roman Catholic (55%)
15.    Secular Humanism (53%)
16.    Mahayana Buddhism (52%)
17.    Islam (51%)
18.    Theravada Buddhism (50%)
19.    New Thought (47%)
20.    Scientology (47%)
21.    Hinduism (39%)
22.    Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (37%)
23.    Jainism (37%)
24.    Nontheist (36%)
25.    Taoism (36%)
26.    Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (33%)
27.    Jehovah's Witness (23%)

I'm converting to CHRIGNOSISTOLOGY!

I HAVE A CONVERT! :D

I think it would be naive to suggest that Pope Clement VII acted from the purest of motives. His decision to deny Henry VIII an annulment was partially based, no doubt, in his fear of the Holy Roman Emperor. There were, after all, theological doubts relating to the validity of Henry's marriage to Catherine; she had previously been married to Henry's elder brother, Arthur.

I was under the impression Henry had to seek special Papal dispensation to marry Catherine, so how he could then turn around and claim some years later his marriage was annullable on the basis it was doctrinally invalid is beyond me.

Pope Julius II did grant a papal dispensation, but there were some complications. The Pope first granted the dispensation in a private brief, but later did so again in a bull; I understand, moreover, that it was charged that the dispensation was illegally obtained in the first place.

I'm not to keen on English history Pete and Em so thanks for giving me more info about it. :)

You've missed another factor.  England had just had a civil war and Henry's claim on the throne was very weak.  Without an heir, the country could have very easily slipped back into one.  It was more of a (wise) political decision and a (good) economic one, as the "Peter's Pence" was draining money from the economy.

Aside from legitmate theolgical reasons, as Emsworth pointed out, there were political ones.  Rome had just been taken by the Most Catholic King of Spain and Holy Roman Emperor, Charles V, who's (most Lutheran) German troops looted and desecrated numereous Churches, raped nuns, killed numerous priests as well as killing off the entire Swiss Guard, and had taken the Pope prisoner.  Catharine of Aragon had another name for Charles V, "Uncle Charlie."

Politically, the Pope could not act, at least not without losing his tiara and the head underneath it.

Actually, there were other examples of Papal annulments.  The King of France, Louis XII, married Jeanne of Valois, who proved to be barren.  A Papal annulment was granted.  Jeanne was later cannonized, showing there were no moral grounds for the annulment. 

Interestingly, the pope that finally ruled against Henry VIII, was Paul III, who fathered four illegitimate children.  :-)  BTW my source for that was:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pope0220.htm

States, is the the "Old Time Religion" you wish to return to?

I am afraid that I must contradict this point of view. Henry VIII's father, Henry VII, did indeed have a very weak claim on the throne due to a potentially illegitimate lineage. Henry VII, however, consoldiated his position admirably well; his son had no succession problems at all.

However, you are absolutely correct that there were political reasons. If Henry VIII did not produce an heir, succession questions would indeed have been raised. The issue of papal revenue (first fruits, Peter's Pence, etc.) was certainly an important one. 

I'm referring more to the dynastic claims, as evidenced that in 70 years, there were no more Tudors.  Even with two surviving direct children, Edward VI's death set off a fairly large succession problem, with rival claims being fought over.

It was imperative that their be male succession, from the country's viewpoint.  It wasn't a matter of sin, but a matter of state. 

I absolutely agree; I was just disagreeing, perhaps pedantically, on the point that Henry VIII's own claim was insecure.

I'm Catholic