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Title: The State Department
Post by: Potus on November 23, 2014, 10:36:35 AM
DEPARTMENT OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS
OFFICE OF SECRETARY POTUS2036


Department of State
Department of Defense

Agency for International Development
National Security Agency
Central Intelligence Agency
Export-Import Bank of Atlasia
Peace Corps


Department Appointees
These individuals have been appointed to help manage the State Department.
-Deputy Secretary SJoyce
-Ambassador At-Large Cassius



NEWS UPDATES


POLICY DIRECTIVES


PRESS CONFERENCES

RECENT INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS LEGISLATION
Ukrainian Technical, Economical and Military Aid Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=192977.0) - SIGNED 8/5
Assistance for Iraq Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=196133.0) - DEBATING
War Powers Amendment (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=196597.0) - DEBATING

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09.2012 - Cathcon
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03.2013 - Clarence
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Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on November 26, 2014, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from:  State Directive #1
Sjoyce is hereby declared Deputy Secretary for Defense. The responsibilities of managing the Department of Defense and the Pentagon are hereby delegated to him, by the Secretary.

Quote from: State Directive #2
Cassius is hereby declared Ambassador-At-Large, as defined by the President's Executive Order #12.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on November 26, 2014, 04:37:34 PM
Department of State

Per the President's announcement, the State Department is dedicating itself to dealing with the ongoing crisis in the Middle East. As a result, I will be meeting with the leaders in the region to develop a strong, regional coalition to combat the Islamic State.

There will be a large meeting with the leaders of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, the UAE, Kuwait, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Bahrain, and Israel. The larger meeting will be preceded by one-on-one meetings with each leader. The larger meeting will be called the Middle East Multilateral Working Group on the Islamic State(MEMWGIS).

Once Atlasian combat operations begin and MEMWGIS begins to implement a plan of action to confront the Islamic State, MEMWGIS will meet, at a minimum, once weekly to monitor progress and oversee operations.

(MEMWGIS is pronounced "mem" as in memory, "wig", "iss" as in hiss.)


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on November 26, 2014, 04:53:09 PM
Ambassador-At-Large Cassius has been dispatched to meet with our European allies, Japan, and India. I will meet with our allies around the globe after MEMWGIS is functioning and our allies have had a chance to organize their concerns, speak with their advisers, and gaining the consent of their legislatures.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on November 28, 2014, 12:32:05 PM
State Department Communique

To: President Lumine, Deputy Secretary Sjoyce, Ambassador Cassius, the Joint Chiefs
From: Secretary of State Potus2036

Gentlemen,
     The cats have been herded. There is a regional coalition in place to support our efforts in attacking the Islamic State. Somehow, some way we've got Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Iran sitting at a table together.

The only agenda in place is that I will deliver our plans for military action to them, we will discuss and guarantee a thorough understanding, and they will take it to their advisers to determine how they can best augment the plans. Following that discussion, we will meet once again.

Keep fighting the good fight, gentlemen.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Cassius on November 29, 2014, 12:14:03 PM
State Department Communique

To: President Lumine, Secretary of State Potus2036, Deputy Secretary SJoyce
From: Ambassador Cassius

Salve,

I can confirm that my recent negotiations with our various partners across the world have resulted in some success. Quite unanimous was their support for some kind of action against the Islamic state, with air support being promised by the UK and France, in addition to promises of ground support from the Australian and Canadian governments in the event of a ground assault by Atlasian forces on ISIS. However, in the case of most of our partners, only 'moral support' was offered in the event of an invasion. Nonetheless, I believe this to constitute reasonably strong international support for military action against ISIS with Atlasia leading the way.

I will keep you all updated of further developments in this field.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on December 02, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
State Department Communique

To: President Lumine, Deputy Secreatary SJoyce, Ambassador Cassius, MEMWGIS Chair
From: Secretary of State Potus2036

I have made a successful trip to Europe to discuss the logistics and specific commitments of willing ally nations. These commitments, I am recommending, ought to be at least doubled by Atlasia. I will send another communique on a secure line detailing the exact commitments.

I also sat with "morally supportive" but practically reluctant allies. I've successfully gathered several humanitarian commitments to aid in reconstruction and long-term development in Iraq.

The Coalition backing Atlasian efforts have been granted a seat on MEMWGIS.

Will keep posted on any updates.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on December 03, 2014, 08:05:14 PM
Communique

To: President Lumine, Deputy SJoyce, Ambassador Cassius, All MEMWGIS Members
From: Secretary of State Potus2036

There are a few things that we must go over. The situation in Iraq is requiring a faster, more robust response than any of us initially anticipated. The Atlasian Republic is calling on the members of MEMWGIS to form a multinational ground force. Preparations must be made immediately in order to merge the command and control structure of the different forces fighting the Islamic State.

Second order of business, I've sat down with the French Foreign Minister to discuss his objections once again. The compromise solution seems to be that France is under no obligation to participate in the war effort, however they have made a commitment to lead on humanitarian relief to those in Iraq and Syria.

France has also been given a direct seat on MEMWGIS. This is to recognize the role France will play in the after-action coalition.

That'll be all.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on December 05, 2014, 11:08:38 PM
State Department

The thoughts and prayers of every member of the Lumine Administration goes out to the families of those who lost their lives on that plane over Iraq.

The Secretary will be live on television shortly to make a statement.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on December 06, 2014, 12:36:36 AM
Good evening,
       As many of you know, a plane flying a humanitarian mission over Iraq was shot down earlier today. Those on board exhibited the greatest qualities we ask of conscious citizens of the world. When duty called and hope was threatened by evil's physical incarnation, they stepped up to give hope, to improve lives, and to fight for good. They are heroes, and though they were not Atlasians, they were patriots through and through. God rest their soul and allow their families to find peace and closure in this difficult time.

Such heinous acts of violence, acts of atrocity, must not go unanswered. The State Department, under my direction, has made several recommendations to the President. The President and I, after meeting for discussion of the recommendations, have agreed upon a practical set of solutions.

First, I will bring a resolution to the MEMWGIS to approve a new slate of intelligence gathering tools for use in the Middle East. These enhanced investigation tools will provide unhindered insight into communications all over the region and dramatically improve the pool of possibly actionable intelligence.

Second, with MEMWGIS members, we will adopt a strategy of surgical strikes on high value ISIS targets. These targets are pressure points within the organization. The strikes have the objective of degrading operational capacity in both Iraq and Syria. These strikes will take place on both sides of that border.

Third, Atlasia will lead an expanded missile campaign in Syria and Iraq. I will assemble MEMWGIS for an emergency meeting and bring the coalition on board with the strikes. The missile strikes will be conducted using every possible avenue of intelligence.

The President is currently considering a number of other options should the situation continue to deteriorate. We are not acting alone. The coalition will stand with us and we will stand with them. As I've said before, evil exists in this world and we have an opportunity to defeat this manifestation. Those are the stakes.



I will now take questions on the plan.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on December 11, 2014, 06:52:51 PM
Russian Response

The State Department has the following orders to make:

Quote from: State Directive #3
The Atlasian Department of State shall guarantee 25% of investments in alternative energy in the following countries:
-Netherlands
-China
-Germany
-Ukraine
-Italy

Quote from: State Directive #4
All natural gas export licenses pending within the Department of State are immediately approved.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on January 01, 2015, 04:07:44 PM
The Crimea Compact
After weeks of tense negotiation, Secretary of State Potus2036 and Russian President Vladimir Putin have reached a final agreement on the issue of Ukraine. The Secretary thanked President Lumine for his support for the negotiations. "Together," the Secretary said, "we have created an agreement that strengthens peace and stability around the world."

The Crimea Compact consists of five parts. These parts have been agreed upon by both the Republic of Atlasia and the Russian Federation.

The Autonomous Region of Crimea
The people of Crimea will draft a constitution which will govern the newly formed Autonomous Region of Crimea(ARC). The ARC will be affiliated with the Russian Federation, though they will be self-governing. The constitution will determine the exact relationship of the ARC to the rest of the Russian Federation.

Russian Withdrawal and Development Aid
Russia will withdraw all troops in the Ukraine. The troop withdrawal will coincide with the formation of the Ukraine Development Fund(UDF), managed by a number of NATO nations. Russia will provide $50 billion to start the UDF. The mission of the UDF is to strengthen the economy of and tame corruption in Ukraine.

Renunciation of Russian Claims
The Russian Federation will renounce any and all claims in Eastern Europe. With this renunciation, Russia recognizes the finality of its European border. Recognition of this finality is a major bulwark for peace and stability in the region.

Guarantee Freeze and Support for Busheshr Plant
The policies enacted by the Atlasian State Department in State Directive #3 are, henceforth, annulled. The investment guarantees, designed to hedge demand for Russian energy, have been halted. Money being used to issue new guarantees will now be used to cover 30% of maintenance and upgrade costs at the Russian-sponsored Busheshr Nuclear Plant in Iran.

Ruble Trading Holiday
As Russia contends with severe economic distress, privately held Russian ruble in Atlasia is frozen for a period of 6 months. This trading holiday will allow Russia to take steps to address the issues facing their economy without having to contend with a global sell-off of ruble. The trading holiday will significantly slow the decline of the ruble's value.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Maxwell on January 01, 2015, 04:25:43 PM
Excellent work!


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Adam Griffin on January 01, 2015, 06:14:13 PM
Welcome back!


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on January 01, 2015, 06:15:29 PM

I've been simulating negotiations with Cynic, who had a LOA. When he returned, we finished the deal.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Adam Griffin on January 01, 2015, 06:32:25 PM

I've been simulating negotiations with Cynic, who had a LOA. When he returned, we finished the deal.



Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Simfan34 on January 01, 2015, 08:09:16 PM
Appeasement we can believe in!


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on January 01, 2015, 08:21:29 PM

It's not appeasement. We got much, much more out of this deal. You and I both know Russia didn't want to stop at Crimea. We haven't caved on their actual purpose. In fact, we crushed the ultimate goal of more expansion into Europe. We've successfully stopped Russian expansion. Hardly appeasement.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Lumine on January 01, 2015, 09:21:16 PM
I know for a fact Riley has been deeply involved in the negotiations with the GM Moderator and President Putin for the past weeks, and I congratulate him on such a fantastic job that puts emphasis on what's realistic in foreign policy.

The truth is that Atlasia was slow and ineffective to act when Russia moved against Crimea (I don't recall DemPGH actually bothering to do much despite Nix's efforts, for example), so with the time that has passed and within the current context this is a fantastic deal.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: tmthforu94 on January 01, 2015, 09:48:23 PM
Nice work - it's nice to see foreign policy developments, something that often lacks in Atlasia.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Maistre on January 01, 2015, 11:34:48 PM
We're just giving Crimea to the Ruskies? I have to say that I think Plan B is much better:

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Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on January 02, 2015, 07:29:35 PM
Giving the Russians the Crimea is a very bad idea and the West will regret it. It belongs to the Ukriane and no one else.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Dr. Cynic on January 03, 2015, 05:55:42 PM

It is true that when I came back after Christmas, the negotiations resumed. I can't speak for what he does apart from that, but he is factually correct that we were involved in the negotiations.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: MATTROSE94 on January 16, 2015, 01:07:49 PM
I'm not saying that I disagree with the diplomatic efforts, but I do feel that we shouldn't have recognized Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea. Instead, the State department of Atlasia should have placed crippling sanctions on Russia (particularly on its military and financial sector), begin a build-up of Atlasia military forces in Europe and actively push for covert regime change in Russia.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: jojoju1998 on January 25, 2015, 10:47:22 AM
I am looking for work as a Aide.....


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 05, 2015, 07:26:10 PM
It has been a while since we've heard from you on non-election-related issues?


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Adam Griffin on February 05, 2015, 07:28:28 PM
It has been a while since we've heard from you on non-election-related issues?

Seems like over a month?


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on February 05, 2015, 07:35:44 PM
Instability with the GM and the all-consuming nature of the budget conversation have gotten in the way of foreign policy.

Kalwejt and I spoke a bit over PM earlier and we're moving ahead with one of the Administration's top priorities, a Middle East Multilateral Forum.

If we want to get the Department working again, I encourage the Senate and public to support swift confirmation of the GM nominee. I need the GM to simulate negotiations.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 05, 2015, 08:53:19 PM
Thank you, Mr. Secretary. I'm looking forward toward getting the MEMF going if confirmed.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 04:02:36 AM
Instability with the GM and the all-consuming nature of the budget conversation have gotten in the way of foreign policy.

Kalwejt and I spoke a bit over PM earlier and we're moving ahead with one of the Administration's top priorities, a Middle East Multilateral Forum.

If we want to get the Department working again, I encourage the Senate and public to support swift confirmation of the GM nominee. I need the GM to simulate negotiations.

Secretary of State Potus2036,
The GM resigned on December 31th, 2014. You didn't post a single update since December 1st 2014. While it is indeed true that the 2015 budget is still being debated, foreign policy doesn't shut down during shutdown. Furthermore, we're not in a shutdown, we passed a resolution more than 20 days ago temporary extending the 2014 budget.
I have the regret to announce you I introduced article of impeachment against you because of inactivity.
Best wishes,
Windjammer


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Maxwell on February 06, 2015, 04:49:58 AM
Instability with the GM and the all-consuming nature of the budget conversation have gotten in the way of foreign policy.

Kalwejt and I spoke a bit over PM earlier and we're moving ahead with one of the Administration's top priorities, a Middle East Multilateral Forum.

If we want to get the Department working again, I encourage the Senate and public to support swift confirmation of the GM nominee. I need the GM to simulate negotiations.

Secretary of State Potus2036,
The GM resigned on January 31th, 2015. You didn't post a single update since January 1st 2015. While it is indeed true that the 2015 budget is still being debated, foreign policy doesn't shut down during shutdown. Furthermore, we're not in a shutdown, we passed a resolution more than 20 days ago temporary extending the 2014 budget.
I have the regret to announce you I introduced article of impeachment against you because of inactivity.
Best wishes,
Windjammer

At least get the dates right.

I think you're addressing an issue (being in a government shutdown?) that isn't an issue. I think it's healthy that an SoIA was consulting with a GM to make their scenarios more real world, and I think Potus will be vindicated in the impeachment hearing.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 04:56:25 AM
Instability with the GM and the all-consuming nature of the budget conversation have gotten in the way of foreign policy.

Kalwejt and I spoke a bit over PM earlier and we're moving ahead with one of the Administration's top priorities, a Middle East Multilateral Forum.

If we want to get the Department working again, I encourage the Senate and public to support swift confirmation of the GM nominee. I need the GM to simulate negotiations.

Secretary of State Potus2036,
The GM resigned on January 31th, 2015. You didn't post a single update since January 1st 2015. While it is indeed true that the 2015 budget is still being debated, foreign policy doesn't shut down during shutdown. Furthermore, we're not in a shutdown, we passed a resolution more than 20 days ago temporary extending the 2014 budget.
I have the regret to announce you I introduced article of impeachment against you because of inactivity.
Best wishes,
Windjammer

At least get the dates right.

I think you're addressing an issue (being in a government shutdown?) that isn't an issue. I think it's healthy that an SoIA was consulting with a GM to make their scenarios more real world, and I think Potus will be vindicated in the impeachment hearing.
ooops sorry,
Riley didn't post anything since decembrr 31th. And Cynic resogned less than 1 week ago.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Maxwell on February 06, 2015, 05:04:39 AM
Instability with the GM and the all-consuming nature of the budget conversation have gotten in the way of foreign policy.

Kalwejt and I spoke a bit over PM earlier and we're moving ahead with one of the Administration's top priorities, a Middle East Multilateral Forum.

If we want to get the Department working again, I encourage the Senate and public to support swift confirmation of the GM nominee. I need the GM to simulate negotiations.

Secretary of State Potus2036,
The GM resigned on January 31th, 2015. You didn't post a single update since January 1st 2015. While it is indeed true that the 2015 budget is still being debated, foreign policy doesn't shut down during shutdown. Furthermore, we're not in a shutdown, we passed a resolution more than 20 days ago temporary extending the 2014 budget.
I have the regret to announce you I introduced article of impeachment against you because of inactivity.
Best wishes,
Windjammer

At least get the dates right.

I think you're addressing an issue (being in a government shutdown?) that isn't an issue. I think it's healthy that an SoIA was consulting with a GM to make their scenarios more real world, and I think Potus will be vindicated in the impeachment hearing.
ooops sorry,
Riley didn't post anything since decembrr 31th. And Cynic resogned less than 1 week ago.

I corrected it for you, so you're still wrong windy buddy. We don't need to argue specifics friendo.

The fact is this SoIA was trying to be more careful in terms of realism of foreign policy than previous SoIA's and got punished for it. I think that's a mistake.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 06:00:12 AM
Maxwell,
Cynic resigned on January 31th 2015,
Riley Keaton didn't post anything since January 1st 2015.
I'm sorry but he can"t say that this is because of instability with the GM because he resigned just 5-6 days ago, and Riley didn't post anything for more than one month.



Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Maxwell on February 06, 2015, 06:05:08 AM
Maxwell,
Cynic resigned on January 31th 2015,
Riley Keaton didn't post anything since January 1st 2015.
I'm sorry but he can"t say that this is because of instability with the GM because he resigned just 5-6 days ago, and Riley didn't post anything for more than one month.



Luckily for me, that's not my argument. The argument has been, since the beginning, that the GM has been dealing with the pressing issue of the budget, and as a result, has not been able to assist in matters of realistic foreign events.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 06:41:42 AM
Maxwell,
Cynic resigned on January 31th 2015,
Riley Keaton didn't post anything since January 1st 2015.
I'm sorry but he can"t say that this is because of instability with the GM because he resigned just 5-6 days ago, and Riley didn't post anything for more than one month.



Luckily for me, that's not my argument. The argument has been, since the beginning, that the GM has been dealing with the pressing issue of the budget, and as a result, has not been able to assist in matters of realistic foreign events.
During a total month?
A MONTH dude, this isn't a week.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on February 06, 2015, 07:33:57 AM
I PM'ed Cynic and Lumine both about taking new steps on foreign policy and the response was basically, "We'll get to it when the budget is finished." Calculating the budget is a monumental task. Adding negotiation sim was more than the GM could handle.

Cynic was on-and-off active during most of January. When he was active, the attention of the GM was more pressingly needed elsewhere. His resignation was a long time coming after a decline in interest and in ability to participate. I would that it is naive or ignorant of the facts to claim that Cynic's activity problem began and ended the day he resigned.

But of course that's not the case. Neither of you, Windjammer or Griffin, are ignorant of the facts. This is an effort to twist a non-story into a political positive for your team. This isn't a story. There is no argument to be had.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 07:46:36 AM
A month Riley, a MONTH.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on February 06, 2015, 09:18:54 AM

When was the last time a bill of your writing became law?


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 10:55:11 AM
I don't understand why you want to talk about my job as senator, but I will still answer you:
- the last time I posted something in the senate thread was obviously yesterday.
-The last time there was a vote on an amendment of a bill I  proposed was last week.
-The last time a bill/amendment I sponsored failed was last week too (the efficient referenda amendment)
-and 2 bills I introduced in the senate are still in the queue right now.
- And the last thing I managed to pass was the anti explosives bomb amendment, and it became a part of the constitution likely last month.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on February 06, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
I don't understand why you want to talk about my job as senator, but I will still answer you:
- the last time I posted something in the senate thread was obviously yesterday.
-The last time there was a vote on an amendment of a bill I  proposed was last week.
-The last time a bill/amendment I sponsored failed was last week too (the efficient referenda amendment)
-and 2 bills I introduced in the senate are still in the queue right now.
- And the last thing I managed to pass was the anti explosives bomb amendment, and it became a part of the constitution likely last month.

So you're telling me the last piece of legislation written by you that became law was finished up in the voting booth on December 17th. That's when the Mideast voting booth closed, the last to do so. We are quickly approaching two months of you not writing legislation.

TWO MONTHS, windjammer.

Your ability to write legislation is completely independent of outside factors. My job relies on an active GM to simulate negotiations, etc. I can't do my job when there isn't a GM, you can do yours anytime. So why are you falling down on the job?



Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 12:36:36 PM
I don't understand why you want to talk about my job as senator, but I will still answer you:
- the last time I posted something in the senate thread was obviously yesterday.
-The last time there was a vote on an amendment of a bill I  proposed was last week.
-The last time a bill/amendment I sponsored failed was last week too (the efficient referenda amendment)
-and 2 bills I introduced in the senate are still in the queue right now.
- And the last thing I managed to pass was the anti explosives bomb amendment, and it became a part of the constitution likely last month.

So you're telling me the last piece of legislation written by you that became law was finished up in the voting booth on December 17th. That's when the Mideast voting booth closed, the last to do so. We are quickly approaching two months of you not writing legislation.

TWO MONTHS, windjammer.

Your ability to write legislation is completely independent of outside factors. My job relies on an active GM to simulate negotiations, etc. I can't do my job when there isn't a GM, you can do yours anytime. So why are you falling down on the job?


That's not true. An active senator is a senator who participates to the senate threads. You have good senators who arent active writers like bore for example.

You your job However is to post in this thread about foreign policy, what you have obviously failed to do. There wasn't a GM for just one week and you have done nothing for at least one month.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Potus on February 06, 2015, 12:39:27 PM
I don't understand why you want to talk about my job as senator, but I will still answer you:
- the last time I posted something in the senate thread was obviously yesterday.
-The last time there was a vote on an amendment of a bill I  proposed was last week.
-The last time a bill/amendment I sponsored failed was last week too (the efficient referenda amendment)
-and 2 bills I introduced in the senate are still in the queue right now.
- And the last thing I managed to pass was the anti explosives bomb amendment, and it became a part of the constitution likely last month.

So you're telling me the last piece of legislation written by you that became law was finished up in the voting booth on December 17th. That's when the Mideast voting booth closed, the last to do so. We are quickly approaching two months of you not writing legislation.

TWO MONTHS, windjammer.

Your ability to write legislation is completely independent of outside factors. My job relies on an active GM to simulate negotiations, etc. I can't do my job when there isn't a GM, you can do yours anytime. So why are you falling down on the job?


That's not true. An active senator is a senator who participates to the senate threads. You have good senators who arent active writers like bore for example.

You your job However is to post in this thread about foreign policy, what you have obviously failed to do. There wasn't a GM for just one week and you have done nothing for at least one month.

Cynic's difficulties are well-documented, and I don't fault him for them. Windjammer, I'm ending this conversation. The truth is obvious, foreign policy is not possible without an active GM. You know as well as I that we didn't have that.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 06, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
You know this isn't true riley. Nix managed to be active as SoEa while there wasn't constantly an active GM (nzpoleon)


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Oakvale on February 06, 2015, 02:44:09 PM
This is absurd and the three who put their name to this should be ashamed of themselves. I'm aware that includes one of my party's Senators.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Cranberry on February 06, 2015, 03:49:50 PM
This is absurd and the three who put their name to this should be ashamed of themselves. I'm aware that includes one of my party's Senators.

Yes it does, and I stand by my decision. I do not doubt that it has become increasingly difficult for the Secretary in the last weeks to do his job, as his most important "partner", I can't find a better way to put this, I'm sorry, has had difficulties. I also do think that the Secretary has done a superb job before this month. This all put aside however, the fact remains that the last update by the Secretary has been posted on January 1st. It is clear to everyone that it has been impossible for the Secretary to conduct large-scale negotiations similar to the ones he conducted with Russia last month. I fully understand that, and I doubt that anyone had expected the Secretary to do so. However, a quick look at our constitution will tell that the position of Secretary of External Affairs has such a wide range of responsibilities, but more so possibilities to enact his or her visions or plans. For example, there is: "The Secretary of External Affairs shall have the power to create random events relating to foreign policy."
The Secretary so does not ultimately need the GM, is not crippled into doing nothing if the GM experiences difficulties - surely it helps realism and credibility if the GM is included in foreign policy events / decisions; but if after three weeks of no updates it becomes clear that there will be no involvement from the side of the GM, for whichever reason, the SoEA himself has a range of possibilities from which he can fulfil his job. Anything would have done, a small update on how he flew to China with a delegation of economists and company executives and helped them secure deals with Chinese corporations, or I don't know what, anything would have sufficed. But the fact remains, we have not heard anything from the side of the Secretary, and for me, this is reason to support this. I will stand with my decision, be of other opinion if you will, I will be of mine, and I believe I have explained mine sufficiently.

(I apologize in advance for the flood of typing errors that will probably plague this text)


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Adam Griffin on February 06, 2015, 06:02:12 PM
Dude, you're not going to start attacking others for not doing your own job as a way to draw attention away from it.

You didn't do anything of substance for a month. Stop blaming everybody else you can find in sight as justification for that. There's a whole wide world out there for you to be assessing and interacting with; the world doesn't stop because the GM was having difficulties in the final 20% of your inactive period or because the budget that you're not even technically responsible for has had some hiccups. As a former GM who was widely considered an active and successful one, I can report that the only excuse for you not to be publicly active in the arena for a month is the same reason why you disappeared and ultimately resigned as ME Governor, and the same reason behind your inactivity in the Pacific.

Furthermore, it's despicable and disgusting that people here are defending these inactions, just like we see every time someone completely fails to do their job and their buddies come rushing in to defend them. Cabinet positions are constantly being subjected to this dynamic and the condoning of this BS is why it continues to be a problem. The whole "well I'm sure he had good reasons!", "Atlasia takes precedent over real life", and all the other weaksauce nonsense. If those things are true, then fycking resign and stop mucking up the game for those who actually have the time to be active participants.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 07, 2015, 08:33:02 AM
For the record, I won't support impeachment. How many bloody times do we need to go down this path?

Impeachment should only be used in extreme circumstances.

But on topic, the SoEA should be able to actually do their job, regardless of the GM. I know, when I was SoEA, I didn't rely on the GM to do the job.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: windjammer on February 07, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
For the record, I won't support impeachment. How many bloody times do we need to go down this path?

Impeachment should only be used in extreme circumstances.

But on topic, the SoEA should be able to actually do their job, regardless of the GM. I know, when I was SoEA, I didn't rely on the GM to do the job.
Being inactive for one month isn't an extreme circumstance?


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Adam Griffin on February 08, 2015, 02:39:31 AM
For the record, I won't support impeachment. How many bloody times do we need to go down this path?

Impeachment should only be used in extreme circumstances.

But on topic, the SoEA should be able to actually do their job, regardless of the GM. I know, when I was SoEA, I didn't rely on the GM to do the job.

You were the one to originally point this out...and yet you still don't support the removal of someone who's been inactive for an entire month? I thought you were one of the "serious ones". How exactly do we break the cycle of this behavior when there are no repercussions whatsoever for the behavior in the first place? When someone knows that an armada of people from all political walks of life is going to defend their chronic and/or recurring inactivity for weeks or months on end, then there is obviously no incentive whatsoever for them to do their jobs. I'd much rather the position go vacant than continue to encourage this precedent.


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on February 08, 2015, 11:45:57 AM

you managed to cram a comparison between apples and oranges and a tu quoque fallacy into one sentence? congrats riley


Title: Re: The State Department
Post by: Prince of Salem on February 13, 2015, 12:46:43 AM
Thank you for your service to this nation, Secretary Potus. You did such a great job and you'll surely be missed.