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Title: FY 2015 Budget (Passed) Post by: bore on December 16, 2014, 06:19:46 AM Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): TBD $80K-170K (28%): TBD $170K-368K (35%): TBD $368K-1M (40%): TBD $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M (10%): TBD $1M-10M (15%): TBD $10M+ (25%): TBD Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon): TBD Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* : TBD Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: TBD Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: TBD Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($25-30/ton) Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $49.0 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $170 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $30.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $56.0 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities : $15.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $33.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.03 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.36 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.12 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.45 B Conservation and land management: $9.07 B Recreational & Park resources: $3.12 B Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5.1 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.94 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $11.0 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $15.50 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $31.13 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $2.81 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $10.0 B Water transportation: $5.65 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $85.01 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6.25 B Area and regional development: $8.36 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $32.26 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $71.89 B Higher education: $41.05 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $ B Education Expenditures: $116.33 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.2 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $96.8 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B ME Community Health Partnership: $ B MW Community Health Partnership: $ B NE Community Health Partnership: $ B PA Community Health Partnership: $ B Central Administration Costs: $ B Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety : $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability : $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $721.4 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $793.42 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $2.2 B Administrative costs: $1 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.2 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $85.58 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $182.96 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs : $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: TBD Interest on Debt Expenditures: TBD TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $TBD EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Sponsor: Windjammer Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 16, 2014, 10:22:12 AM Quote from: amendment offered FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $1M+ (60%): TBD $150K-175K (30%): TBD $175K-200K (32.5%): TBD $200K-225K (35%): TBD $225K-250K (37.5%): TBD $250K-275K (40%): TBD $275K-300K (42.5%): TBD $300K-325K (45%): TBD $325K-350K (47.5%): TBD $350K-375K (50%): TBD $375K-400K (52.5%): TBD $400K-425K (55%): TBD $425K-450K (57.5%): TBD $450K-475K (60%): TBD $475K-500k (62.5%): TBD $500K-525K (65%): TBD $525K-550K (67.5%): TBD $550K-575K (70%): TBD $575K-600K (72.5%): TBD $600K-625K (75%): TBD $625K-650K (77.5%): TBD $650K-675K (80%): TBD $675K-700K (82.5%): TBD $700K-725K (85%): TBD $725K-750K (87.5%): TBD $750K-775K (90%): TBD $775K-800K (91%): TBD $800K-825K (92%): TBD $825K-850K (93%): TBD $850K-875K (94%): TBD $875K-900K (95%): TBD $900K-925K (96%): TBD $925K-950K (97%): TBD $950K-975K (98%): TBD $975K-1M (99%): TBD $1M+ (100%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $1M-10M (15%): TBD $10M+ (25%): TBD $100K-250K (2.5%): TBD $250K-500K (5%): TBD $500K-750K (7.5%): TBD $750K-1M (10%): TBD $1M-2.5M (12.5%): TBD $2.5M-5M (15%): TBD $5M-7.5M (17.5%): TBD $7.5M-10M (20%): TBD $10M-12.5M (22.5%): TBD $12.5M-15M (25%): TBD $15M-17.5M (27.5%): TBD $17.5M-20M (30%): TBD $20M-22.5M (32.5%): TBD $22.5M-25M (35%): TBD $25M-27.5M (37.5%): TBD $27.5M-30M (40%): TBD $30M-32.5M (42.5%): TBD $32.5M-35M (45%): TBD $35M-37.5M (47.5%): TBD $37.5M-40M (50%): TBD $40M-42.5M (52.5%): TBD $42.5M-45M (55%): TBD $45M-47.5M (57.5%): TBD $47.5M-50M (60%): TBD $50M-52.5M (62.5%): TBD $52.5M-55M (65%): TBD $55M-$57.5M (67.5%): TBD $57.5M-60M (70%): TBD $60M-62.5M (72.5%): TBD $62.5M-65M (75%): TBD $65M-67.5M (77.5%): TBD $67.5M-70M (80%): TBD $70M-72.5M (82.5%): TBD $72.5M-75M (85%): TBD $75M-77.5M (87.5%): TBD $77.5M-80M (90%): TBD $80M-82.5M (91%): TBD $82.5M-85M (92%): TBD $85M-87.5M (93%): TBD $87.5M-90M (94%): TBD $90M-92.5M (95%): TBD $92.5M-95M (96%): TBD $95M-$97.5M (97%): TBD $97.5M-100M (98%): TBD $100M-$1B (99%): TBD $1B+ (100%): TBD Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: TBD Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: TBD Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: ( Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 16, 2014, 10:22:43 AM Quote from: amendment offered SPENDING TAX CREDITS Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: Operation and maintenance: Procurement: Research, development, test and evaluation: Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: Atomic Energy Defense Activities: Defense Related activities: Military Spending Expenditures: Military Retirement Military retirement: Income security for veterans: Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: Veterans mental health resources: Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: Housing and other veterans benefits and services: Military Retirement Expenditures: International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: International Affairs Expenditures: General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: Department of Energy general science programs: Space flight, research, and supporting activities : Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: Energy conservation and preparedness: Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: Conservation and land management: Recreational & Park resources: Pollution control and abatement: Other natural resources: Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: Agricultural research and services: Agriculture Expenditures: Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: Postal service: Deposit insurance: Universal service fund: Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: Transportation Highways and highway safety: High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): Other Mass transit: Railroads: Coast Guard: Air Transportation: Water transportation: Other transportation: Transportation Expenditures: Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $ Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $ FEMA: $ Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $ The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $ B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $ Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $ Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B ME Community Health Partnership: $ B MW Community Health Partnership: $ B NE Community Health Partnership: $ B PA Community Health Partnership: $ B Central Administration Costs: $ B Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $ Health research and training: $ Food safety and occupational health and safety : $ Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $ Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $ Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $ Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $ Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $ Federal employee retirement and disability : $ Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $ Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $ Administrative costs: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $ Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $ Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $ Child care funds: $ Other aid to low-income families: $ Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $ Community Development Fund: $ Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $ Homeless Prevention: $ Public Housing Expenditures: $ General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $ Child support and family support programs : $ Social and family services: $ General Family Support Expenditures: $ Administration of Justice Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $ Criminal justice assistance: $ Administration of Justice Expenditures: $ General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $ Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $ Interest on Debt Net Interest: TBD Interest on Debt Expenditures: TBD TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $TBD EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 16, 2014, 01:54:32 PM Well, first of all, I apologize for the delay, I spent too many days trying to determine the extent of the deficit and new expenditures of Atlasia, and in the end it was evident that I was not going to be able to get the actual sums. As a result, I have sent this incomplete proposal so I can work with the Senate in order to get a budget passed.
In terms of spending it has become way too evident that we engaged on a massive spending spree through 2014 without caring for the consequences, and that puts us at a major problem when it comes to this budget, because we have literally no idea of the spending involved in the Duke-Scott education bill and whether the new Healthcare system will reduce costs (although I hope it will), not to mention all the other spending projects. It was a campaign pledge of mine to raise military spending and I have done so in a measured way (which means that I have no intention of signing a budget without a significant increase here), something that I also did with international affairs and with the NASA budget (which is ridiculously low when compared to OTL United States), and to compensate for those raises I propose minor spending cuts in all substantial areas in the order of $1-2 B, which will enable us to reduce a potential deficit without causing major harm to most areas of spending. Needless to say, I consider TNF's amendment unworkable and hostile. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 16, 2014, 06:19:13 PM I will oppose any increase in military spending and will make delay any attempt to do so insofar as possible, by any means necessary.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 16, 2014, 06:22:41 PM I will oppose any increase in military spending and will make delay any attempt to do so insofar as possible, by any means necessary. Well, then we might as well throw away any remnant of realism from the game. It's ridiculous to pretend we can carry on with the current levels, much less slash them again in half as if having a military was pointless and unnecessary. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 16, 2014, 06:26:46 PM Senator TNF? Really? No chance I'm supporting that amendment.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 16, 2014, 06:52:11 PM I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 16, 2014, 07:08:49 PM I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain I should say, as President I oversaw a reduction in overall military spending. So that's not my concern. My concern is the tax structure. Thinking you can finance the Federal Government by only taxing the wealthy isn't realistic and is not a panacea to all economic ills. I believe in fair and progressive income taxation - this is not progressive or especially practical. Tax evasion and income/asset shifting would become a growth industry in Atlasia. Didn't think Senator TNF would be supporting increasing the incomes of accountants and tax attorneys. I said we need to re-examine our tax policy, but this isn't workable or realistic. I'm happy to look at other options for tax reform. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 16, 2014, 07:15:04 PM I'm going to interpret Polnut as objecting to TNF's amendment, so senators a vote is now open on TNF's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain I should say, as President I oversaw a reduction in overall military spending. So that's not my concern. My concern is the tax structure. Thinking you can finance the Federal Government by only taxing the wealthy isn't realistic and is not a panacea to all economic ills. I believe in fair and progressive income taxation - this is not progressive or especially practical. Tax evasion and income/asset shifting would become a growth industry in Atlasia. Didn't think Senator TNF would be supporting increasing the incomes of accountants and tax attorneys. I said we need to re-examine our tax policy, but this isn't workable or realistic. I'm happy to look at other options for tax reform. I don't disagree with you, I just wanted to open a vote as soon as possible (i.e. before I go to bed) to save time. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on December 17, 2014, 02:43:58 AM Nay I guess
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on December 17, 2014, 09:03:59 AM Aye
I won't rest until the standing army is history. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 17, 2014, 09:05:20 AM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on December 17, 2014, 12:45:31 PM Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 17, 2014, 03:06:53 PM Nay
These tax rates are, well... Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 17, 2014, 05:22:21 PM NAY
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Maxwell on December 17, 2014, 05:26:57 PM Quote Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $11.0 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $15.50 B I reference you to this - The Let's Really Eliminate Farm Subsidies Act (https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/The_Let%E2%80%99s_Really_Eliminate_Farm_Subsidies_Act) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 17, 2014, 06:30:37 PM The amendment has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on December 17, 2014, 07:11:07 PM Nay. The military cuts are bad enough, the income tax structure is a total non-starter.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 20, 2014, 04:16:36 PM Aye: TNF
Nay: Bore, Yankee, Polnut, JCL, Cranberry, windjammer Not voting: Bacon King, Deus By a vote of 6-1 the amendment has failed Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 20, 2014, 07:06:01 PM I cannot do anything until I can see what the White House is proposing. If we are going down completely different paths, while some clearly wish to delay for their own sake, I don't want to delay this process based on not actually having a discussion first.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 21, 2014, 04:21:30 AM I echo a Senator Polnut's comments, and would like to see the White House's proposal at first.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on December 21, 2014, 10:31:15 AM Quote from: amendment offered Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $150K-175K (30%): TBD $ $368K-1M (40%): TBD $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lumine on December 21, 2014, 08:35:46 PM Working on it right now, and I'll have a proposal soon enough! (I manged to get an estimate for the Duke-Scott bill, I am going through Health Care costs now)
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 22, 2014, 01:51:31 PM Quote from: amendment offered Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $150K-175K (30%): TBD $ $368K-1M (40%): TBD $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Proposed by: TNF Status: Unknown Senators have 36 hours to object to this amendment Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 22, 2014, 09:19:20 PM Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): TBD $80K-170K ( $170K-368K ( $368K-1M ( $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M $1M-10M ( $10M+ ( Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $15.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $33.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.03 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.36 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.12 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $2.81 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $5.65 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $2.2 B Administrative costs: $1 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.2 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $ Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3407.51 EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 22, 2014, 09:19:55 PM Alright, I'll be honest: the situation is very complicated. I managed to calculate some of the extra expenses, but there's a point in which I can't find a way of calculating the Health Care expense without a GM estimate, and I have failed in discovering the effect of Nixcome as well. Thing is, with the new spending and the lowering of the Payroll Tax from 8% to 6.1% (Note: I had to include that change in the budget, the initial proposal neglected this already enacted change) there is an effective gap to be filled, and with the situation starting to stabilize after the civil conflict I do not thing it's in the interest of anybody to continue fiscal irresponsibility and allow a big deficit nor I do think it's a good idea to just keep raising taxes in the hope that it will solve our economic woes.
What I am going to propose is not going to be popular, but I feel is in the interests of all of us that we lower spending in the form of minor cuts across most of the different areas (with some exceptions, like the minor raise I ask for defense spending and other areas which would be risky to cut). Likewise, I will also propose minor increases on certain taxes in order to fill the gap without unfairly burdening a specific sector. I have assumed that the new Health Care system will lower the expenses, and I have proposed minor spending on this area because I believe the reform will lower the expense and to account for the losses in the payroll tax. Thus, my attempts at reducing spending (to a level that some might find unacceptable, I know), and assuming a flat $1000 B for Health Care and a similar debt expenditure than 2013-2014 we would be looking at spending levels that are about $13-14 B lower than the Averroes Budget, with the advantage that we would cover most of the extra spending and things like the Duke-Scott Education bill, thus allowing us to focus the tax raises and make them less pronounced to cover up the loss of revenue. I decided not to raise the bottom and top Income taxes because in the first case I don’t believe it’s a good idea to raise the taxes on this group and regarding the second it has already been pointed out that 60% is already a high rate (although lowering it means a bigger deficit). I also refrained from experimenting with the creation of more brackets on the income taxes for the time being. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 23, 2014, 03:50:26 AM I object to the amendment offered by the President the minute that someone decides to introduce it on his behalf.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on December 23, 2014, 05:01:33 AM I introduce that and I object.
The biggest losers would be the poors when you cut some things like food stamp. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Adam Griffin on December 23, 2014, 06:25:31 AM #LumineShutdown
#FirstTimeEver #BadBudgeting #Gladidon'thavetohelpwiththisbudget Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on December 23, 2014, 09:23:48 AM I will need to look through this more thoroughly before I can say anything, but I will comment here to. It just may take some time, because Christmas and all.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 25, 2014, 02:31:21 PM TNF's amendment has passed without objection.
I'll open a vote on Lumine's amendment which windjammer has introduced tomorrow. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 25, 2014, 08:47:55 PM I'm trying to be pragmatic in the sense that spending has to be cut and I prefer the cuts to be small instead of causing major harm, but what cuts would be agreeable to the Senators who have objected?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 26, 2014, 06:06:47 AM Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): TBD $80K-170K ( $170K-368K ( $368K-1M ( $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M $1M-10M ( $10M+ ( Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $15.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $33.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.03 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.36 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.12 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $2.81 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $5.65 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $2.2 B Administrative costs: $1 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.2 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $ Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3407.51 EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD A vote is now open on senator windjammer's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on December 26, 2014, 09:30:51 AM NAY
This undoes the more progressive taxes rates we just agreed on Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on December 26, 2014, 09:33:25 AM Nay
Before voting for any cuts, I would like to know what currently the deficit is. And I will never vote to cut food stamps, because that would definitely hurt the poors. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 26, 2014, 04:19:06 PM Nay, but I think we're getting somewhere
Tomorrow I'll provide my own revenue suggestion that will leave the same amount of revenue spending as Lumine's. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 27, 2014, 06:06:47 AM So, if I still may, these are the cuts as I understand them. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
4B - Military Retirement 2B - CIA 0.3B - various NR&E points 6.64B - Farm subsidies 1B - Highways 1B - Air Transport 0.61B - Community and Regional Development 2B - Elementary and Secondary Education 2B - Universities +35B - Duke Scott & Universal Education 2.2B - Unemployment Insurance 11.4B - Elderly Insurance 2B - Housing Assistance 2.58B - Food Stamps Are those cuts made from the Nix budget, or from a previous proposal? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 27, 2014, 07:56:56 AM NAY
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 27, 2014, 04:27:38 PM My amendment:
Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): TBD $80K-$125K (25%): TBD $125K-$150K (28%): TBD $150K-175K (30%): TBD $175K-368K ( $368K-1M ( $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M $1M-10M ( $10M+ ( Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $ International military aid: $ Conduct of foreign affairs: $ Foreign information and exchange activities: $ Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $ Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $ Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $ Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $ Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $ Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $ 2.2 B Administrative costs: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.0 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3409.51 EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 27, 2014, 04:33:12 PM Basically here's my amendment in brief:
My spending is 2 billion higher than Lumine, I would try and cut more but most of the categories are so vague I have no idea if we actually can cut them without harming people: I reversed cuts on food stamps and unemployment insurance and dramitically raised foreign aid. I paid for this by cutting things like specific space research (though I increased general science funding) air and road transportation. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on December 27, 2014, 04:39:14 PM Would you be willing to revise that to include the tax rates that we approved via my amendment?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lumine on December 27, 2014, 06:02:11 PM So, if I still may, these are the cuts as I understand them. Please correct me if I'm wrong: 4B - Military Retirement 2B - CIA 0.3B - various NR&E points 6.64B - Farm subsidies 1B - Highways 1B - Air Transport 0.61B - Community and Regional Development 2B - Elementary and Secondary Education 2B - Universities +35B - Duke Scott & Universal Education 2.2B - Unemployment Insurance 11.4B - Elderly Insurance 2B - Housing Assistance 2.58B - Food Stamps Are those cuts made from the Nix budget, or from a previous proposal? More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 27, 2014, 06:55:08 PM I wish to apologise, my Christmas travel process started earlier than anticipated.
I will not support any measure that contains the tax rates in Senator TNF's amendment. I understand the desire and reaction for those rates, but I see massive perverse outcomes from them. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on December 27, 2014, 11:05:10 PM I will not support this because the tax structure is in need of systemic reform and taxing 60% percent on those making over a million is a non starter with me.
My income tax structure proposal 9,500-20,000 5% 20,001-100,000 10% 100,001-500,000 20% 500,001-5,000,000 30% 5,000,001+ 40 % Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 28, 2014, 02:54:48 AM I will not support this because the tax structure is in need of systemic reform and taxing 60% percent on those making over a million is a non starter with me. My income tax structure proposal 9,500-20,000 5% 20,001-100,000 10% 100,001-500,000 20% 500,001-5,000,000 30% 5,000,001+ 40 % Would be helpful if you could provide a workable option, not a personal wish-list Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 28, 2014, 04:37:47 AM More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Okay thank you. I too think that Senator bore's amendments are sensible, and likewise as Senator Polnut, I can not approve of Senator TNF's tax rates. It just makes no sense at all just starting to tax people making more than 100K, we can in no way fund our budget with such a tax structure. (I better not start talking about Senator JCL's proposal) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on December 28, 2014, 07:03:19 AM The vast majority of people making under $100K are doing so through honest means. I see no reason to tax them at exorbitant rates.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 28, 2014, 09:13:55 AM The vast majority of people making under $100K are doing so through honest means. I see no reason to tax them at exorbitant rates. For God's sake... therefore everyone earning over $100k is earning through dishonest means? Long story short, this short-sighted view on this issue only creates a massive revenue problem for the future. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 28, 2014, 12:14:45 PM Officially offering this:
Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (2 $80K-$125K (28%): TBD $125K-$150K (30%): TBD $150K-175K (32%): TBD $175K-368K ( $368K-1M ( $1M+ (60%): TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M $1M-10M ( $10M+ ( Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $ International military aid: $ Conduct of foreign affairs: $ Foreign information and exchange activities: $ Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $ Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $ Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $ Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $ Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $ Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $ 2.2 B Administrative costs: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.0 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3409.51 EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD [/quote] Senators have 36 hours to object Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 28, 2014, 12:17:05 PM I sympathise with TNF a lot here. If we could fund all our programmes with, say, a 40% tax on people earning over 100 grand then I'd be all for that, but I just don't think we can.
If we actually want to provide the services that we do we have to have, however unpalatable it is, some tax on people earning a bit less. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Maxwell on December 28, 2014, 04:28:31 PM Here's a question - why do we need three seperate brackets between 80k and 175K for 28%, 30%, and 32% respectively? Just giving that a 30% tax rate won't change much (if anything) on the revenue side of things or in the people's actual pocketbook!
Here's a proposal to make things simpler (as soon as you are done with this amendment): 35K-80K - 21% 80K-175K - 30% 175K-368K - 36% 368K-1M - 41% 1M-Upwards - 60% Getting rid of two unnecessary brackets will make things easier, I promise you. I'm trying to find a way to calculate tax revenues, but I'm having difficulty in that search. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 29, 2014, 12:49:57 AM Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Incom4e Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35,000-$84,999 ( $85,000-$159,999 (28%): TBD $160,000-$399,999 (36%): TBD $175K-368K ( $400,000-$999,999 ( $1,000,000-$3,499,999: (52%)TBD $3,500,00-$9,999,999 (58%) TBD $10,000,000+ (60%) TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100,00-$999,999 $1,000,000-$9,999,999 ( $10,000,000-$24,999,999 (25 $25,000,000+ (29%) Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: ( Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $ Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $ Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $ International military aid: $ Conduct of foreign affairs: $ Foreign information and exchange activities: $ Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $ Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $ Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act):$ Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $ Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $ Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $ Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $ Other Mass transit: $ Railroads: $ Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $ Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: Administrative costs: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $ Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $ EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD [/quote] Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 29, 2014, 12:50:57 AM This is my Budget proposal. It sees the introduction of new higher-end tax brackets as well as a small expansion of the lowest bracket from 80-85k and a reduction of the rate from 22-20%. I think it addresses the very odd creation of that jump from 41-60% in the brackets which doesn't make a lot of sense. So this creates a much more gentle increase up $10m, from where the 60% tax rate kicks in.
I have also created a new upper bracket of corporate taxes for those corporations who earn above $25m - this is aligned with a small reduction for those smaller businesses, who are the primary employer in Atlasia. With other small excise increases. On spending, there are small cuts in the military procurement Budget and the deferment of $5m of the Smart Grid spending into the next financial year. There are some adjustments to account for some recent legislative changes. There is a cut in funding for highways, and some of that directed toward high-speed rail, public transport and railways. It contains an increase in international humanitarian aid, with a reduction in foreign military aid. I have held onto some of the other spending cuts from other Budget proposals as well as some administrative reductions. I believe this strikes a balance of maintaining strong services, doing so in a responsive and responsible manner and not reducing our capacity in any field, including militarily. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Barnes on December 29, 2014, 02:07:21 AM May I ask why the Northeast Community Health Partnership is third in overall funding even though it is second in population size, nearly tied with the Mideast, and larger than the other three regions by nearly ten voters each?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 29, 2014, 05:39:55 AM May I ask why the Northeast Community Health Partnership is third in overall funding even though it is second in population size, nearly tied with the Mideast, and larger than the other three regions by nearly ten voters each? Probably relates to the actual population of the regions. It makes sense that then the Midwest has the lowest population=lowest funding sum; Pacific and Northeast with one big state/two states of about the same size (Califorina vs Penn and NY) the next highest; and so on and so on. It would be interesting though to take 2014 Census Estimates for that, I'm sure the Pacific would get more then :P Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on December 29, 2014, 08:51:23 AM Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Incom4e Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35,000-$84,999 ( $85,000-$159,999 (28%): TBD $160,000-$399,999 (36%): TBD $175K-368K ( $400,000-$999,999 ( $1,000,000-$3,499,999: (52%)TBD $3,500,00-$9,999,999 (58%) TBD $10,000,000+ (60%) TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100,00-$999,999 $1,000,000-$9,999,999 ( $10,000,000-$24,999,999 (25 $25,000,000+ (29%) Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 6.1%) (CSSRA Sec.4): TBD Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax ( Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($ Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: ( Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $ Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $ Military Retirement Military retirement: $ Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $ International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $ International military aid: $ Conduct of foreign affairs: $ Foreign information and exchange activities: $ Central Intelligence Agency: $ International Affairs Expenditures: $ General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $ Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $ Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act):$ Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $ Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $ Conservation and land management: $ Recreational & Park resources: $ Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $ Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $ Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $ Agricultural research and services: $ Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $ Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $ Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $ High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $ Other Mass transit: $ Railroads: $ Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $ Water transportation: $ Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $ Community and Regional Development Community development: $ Area and regional development: $ Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $ Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $ Higher education: $ Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $ Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ 1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $ Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: Administrative costs: $ Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $ Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $ Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $ EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD [/quote] This seems to be a good proposal. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on December 29, 2014, 09:11:55 AM Looking over Senator Polnut's proposal, it keeps the important features of my proposal along with being somewhat tidier, so I'd like to withdraw my amendment.
Senators also have 36 hours to object to Senator Polnut's amendment. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Barnes on December 29, 2014, 05:50:14 PM May I ask why the Northeast Community Health Partnership is third in overall funding even though it is second in population size, nearly tied with the Mideast, and larger than the other three regions by nearly ten voters each? Probably relates to the actual population of the regions. It makes sense that then the Midwest has the lowest population=lowest funding sum; Pacific and Northeast with one big state/two states of about the same size (Califorina vs Penn and NY) the next highest; and so on and so on. It would be interesting though to take 2014 Census Estimates for that, I'm sure the Pacific would get more then :P Are you saying the allocations are based off of the US population estimates? My concern is that in Atlasia, the Northeast has the second largest population, but comes in third with funding. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on December 30, 2014, 04:09:39 AM May I ask why the Northeast Community Health Partnership is third in overall funding even though it is second in population size, nearly tied with the Mideast, and larger than the other three regions by nearly ten voters each? Probably relates to the actual population of the regions. It makes sense that then the Midwest has the lowest population=lowest funding sum; Pacific and Northeast with one big state/two states of about the same size (Califorina vs Penn and NY) the next highest; and so on and so on. It would be interesting though to take 2014 Census Estimates for that, I'm sure the Pacific would get more then :P Are you saying the allocations are based off of the US population estimates? My concern is that in Atlasia, the Northeast has the second largest population, but comes in third with funding. I would guess so. Otherwise, this seems not explainable to me. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 30, 2014, 11:26:41 AM Polnut's amendment is a step in the right direction, although I will admit I'm not fully satisfied with it, either. Nonetheless, I will hold off on objecting and present amendments after it is approved.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on December 30, 2014, 05:35:58 PM More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Okay thank you. I too think that Senator bore's amendments are sensible, and likewise as Senator Polnut, I can not approve of Senator TNF's tax rates. It just makes no sense at all just starting to tax people making more than 100K, we can in no way fund our budget with such a tax structure. (I better not start talking about Senator JCL's proposal) With all do respect I want to hear what you think about my proposal for a pro-growth tax structure. I also object to Polnut's amendment in the basis of maintaining a bracket of taxing our wealthiest more than 40%. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 30, 2014, 06:40:20 PM More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Okay thank you. I too think that Senator bore's amendments are sensible, and likewise as Senator Polnut, I can not approve of Senator TNF's tax rates. It just makes no sense at all just starting to tax people making more than 100K, we can in no way fund our budget with such a tax structure. (I better not start talking about Senator JCL's proposal) With all do respect I want to hear what you think about my proposal for a pro-growth tax structure. I also object to Polnut's amendment in the basis of maintaining a bracket of taxing our wealthiest more than 40%. With all due respect to you - is there anything you use here except baseless strawmen? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on December 30, 2014, 06:55:20 PM I must say I actually think Bore's proposal is better in some aspects, especially given that our Financial Transaction Tax is already high by OTL standards and increasing it might not be a good idea. Likewise, why does it say that spending is actually increased despite the cuts? Is that a typo?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 30, 2014, 08:36:30 PM I must say I actually Bore's proposal is better in some aspects, especially given that our Financial Transaction Tax is already high by OTL standards and increasing it might not be a good idea. Likewise, why does it say that spending is actually increased despite the cuts? Is that a typo? There are cuts, but the Scott/Duke education stuff spending puts upward pressure on that side of the ledger. I have no issue is putting the FTT back to 0.50... it's not going to make a lot of difference. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Maxwell on December 30, 2014, 08:46:49 PM Polnut's proposal is a good start on the income tax side, and maybe the best we can get for the current year.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on December 31, 2014, 04:51:02 AM I'd actually rather see the FTT at 0.75% than 0.5%, as in the end, it does make a difference. Not necessarily that much on the revenue side, but such a tax can help combat speculating and stock market gambling.
Also, do we have an agreement with the EU and maybe also Japan/Singapore/China/Hongkong, that they have the same FTT as we have? Otherwise, this would just make no sense, instead of transacting then in New York, they'll do it in London or Frankfurt. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: MyRescueKittehRocks on December 31, 2014, 09:21:06 AM More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Okay thank you. I too think that Senator bore's amendments are sensible, and likewise as Senator Polnut, I can not approve of Senator TNF's tax rates. It just makes no sense at all just starting to tax people making more than 100K, we can in no way fund our budget with such a tax structure. (I better not start talking about Senator JCL's proposal) With all do respect I want to hear what you think about my proposal for a pro-growth tax structure. I also object to Polnut's amendment in the basis of maintaining a bracket of taxing our wealthiest more than 40%. With all due respect to you - is there anything you use here except baseless strawmen? Are you familiar with the Laffer curve? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on December 31, 2014, 09:32:35 AM Polnut's amendment has been adopted
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on December 31, 2014, 09:50:39 AM An 18% tax on marijuana, a product less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol, seems pretty insane.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on December 31, 2014, 10:27:06 AM More or less, yes, and most are made from the Nix budget. The exception would be transportation, which I believe was in my initial basic proposal. I'm actually supportive of Bore's amendment, and I am happy to see most of the cuts retained. I'm not sure if I am the actual sponsor here since I'm not a Senator, but the amendment is mostly friendly for me. That said, I would like to see the possibility of increasing the NASA budget (I believe it's far too low if we can to get more ambitious things done in that front), and, if the proposal raises enough revenue, reverting some of minor cuts in the international area. I'm not sure if Bore's proposal actuall raises the Healthcare Payroll tax back to 8%, but if that was the case then the situation may not be as nearly as complicated. Okay thank you. I too think that Senator bore's amendments are sensible, and likewise as Senator Polnut, I can not approve of Senator TNF's tax rates. It just makes no sense at all just starting to tax people making more than 100K, we can in no way fund our budget with such a tax structure. (I better not start talking about Senator JCL's proposal) With all do respect I want to hear what you think about my proposal for a pro-growth tax structure. I also object to Polnut's amendment in the basis of maintaining a bracket of taxing our wealthiest more than 40%. With all due respect to you - is there anything you use here except baseless strawmen? Are you familiar with the Laffer curve? Indeed - the tax rates you seek will NEVER pass. My plan deals with some of the more extreme applications. I agree that higher and higher taxes deliver diminishing returns, but so do artificially low tax rates. Our growth rates arent driven by superficial elements like personal income tax rates. Yet another strawman. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on December 31, 2014, 01:11:20 PM An 18% tax on marijuana, a product less harmful than both tobacco and alcohol, seems pretty insane. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 31, 2014, 03:30:53 PM I wanted to lower taxes during my presidency but we just can't afford to do it with all of the programs we have in atlasia.
My tax plan was pretty much dead on arrival, but I mainly introduced it for the debate more than anything. I couldn't let the senate stall on my watch. And yeah, my education bill didn't help but I felt it implemented some necessary changes. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 01, 2015, 03:31:16 AM I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 01, 2015, 03:46:27 AM I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code. Trust me, so was I. But I don't see any other way to make the system more progressive without significant cuts to spending to account for lost revenues. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 01, 2015, 03:53:20 AM Could the 58% bracket at least be gotten rid of since it means having two in the 50's and the highest is just 3% above it?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 01, 2015, 06:24:41 AM Could the 58% bracket at least be gotten rid of since it means having two in the 50's and the highest is just 3% above it? My concern is not the number of brackets in and of itself, but that the brackets are representative. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 01, 2015, 11:10:28 AM I will not support an increase in any regressive taxes, nor a cut in any progressive taxes.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Sec. of State Superique on January 01, 2015, 11:21:28 AM I'd actually rather see the FTT at 0.75% than 0.5%, as in the end, it does make a difference. Not necessarily that much on the revenue side, but such a tax can help combat speculating and stock market gambling. Also, do we have an agreement with the EU and maybe also Japan/Singapore/China/Hongkong, that they have the same FTT as we have? Otherwise, this would just make no sense, instead of transacting then in New York, they'll do it in London or Frankfurt. 0.75% level of taxes are huge. Unlike other kind of taxation, raising just 0.25 of a Financial Transaction Tax ends up having a catastrophic effect in our economy. It will mean that every transaction will cost 50% under the next fiscal year. This will certainly lead investors to get out of our nation. Furthermore, I'm also concerned about the international backing of our financial transaction tax. Even so, I believe that at least the Eurozone Countries might have already adopted a FTT as well since their major "competitor" (Wall Street) is already complying with those rules. Nonetheless, this can be a priority for our future Foreign Policy. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Sec. of State Superique on January 01, 2015, 11:25:44 AM Just giving an idea:
Instead of making the Income Tax more complicated and create so many brackets that will just disturb the efforts of our own Atlasian IRS to collect taxes, why don't we start discussing better the way that we deal with inheritance tax (we clearly don't have a great specific data for that matter)? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on January 02, 2015, 07:49:35 AM I'd actually rather see the FTT at 0.75% than 0.5%, as in the end, it does make a difference. Not necessarily that much on the revenue side, but such a tax can help combat speculating and stock market gambling. Also, do we have an agreement with the EU and maybe also Japan/Singapore/China/Hongkong, that they have the same FTT as we have? Otherwise, this would just make no sense, instead of transacting then in New York, they'll do it in London or Frankfurt. 0.75% level of taxes are huge. Unlike other kind of taxation, raising just 0.25 of a Financial Transaction Tax ends up having a catastrophic effect in our economy. It will mean that every transaction will cost 50% under the next fiscal year. This will certainly lead investors to get out of our nation. Furthermore, I'm also concerned about the international backing of our financial transaction tax. Even so, I believe that at least the Eurozone Countries might have already adopted a FTT as well since their major "competitor" (Wall Street) is already complying with those rules. Nonetheless, this can be a priority for our future Foreign Policy. In the end, I would be just as okay with a 0.5% FFT as a 0.75%, if such an increase really has those effects. Yes, the international banking is my biggest concern here as well. I guess too that the Eurozone will have adopted such a tax, as there is major backing for this in Europe; but it would certainly not hurt to see that each and every major financial hub introduce such a tax. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 02, 2015, 11:44:33 AM I wanted to lower taxes during my presidency but we just can't afford to do it with all of the programs we have in atlasia. My tax plan was pretty much dead on arrival, but I mainly introduced it for the debate more than anything. I couldn't let the senate stall on my watch. And yeah, my education bill didn't help but I felt it implemented some necessary changes. All in all, I think we are really going to need to change the way we all deal of economic policy, since we had to wait until the budget to see the negatives of programs that looked fantastic and easy to support on paper. I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code. Trust me, so was I. But I don't see any other way to make the system more progressive without significant cuts to spending to account for lost revenues. Well, another alternative comes forward if we are able to get an estimate on the effects of the Health Care Reform (I just couldn't find the right data myself), as one of the arguments we put forward was that it could reduce the high spending that the old system meant. I chose to propose a trillion for Health Care as a very conservative estimate, but it the effects were more positive than originally thought we could reduce enough spending to reduce some of the changes in the tax code. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 02, 2015, 07:54:50 PM I wanted to lower taxes during my presidency but we just can't afford to do it with all of the programs we have in atlasia. My tax plan was pretty much dead on arrival, but I mainly introduced it for the debate more than anything. I couldn't let the senate stall on my watch. And yeah, my education bill didn't help but I felt it implemented some necessary changes. All in all, I think we are really going to need to change the way we all deal of economic policy, since we had to wait until the budget to see the negatives of programs that looked fantastic and easy to support on paper. I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code. Trust me, so was I. But I don't see any other way to make the system more progressive without significant cuts to spending to account for lost revenues. Well, another alternative comes forward if we are able to get an estimate on the effects of the Health Care Reform (I just couldn't find the right data myself), as one of the arguments we put forward was that it could reduce the high spending that the old system meant. I chose to propose a trillion for Health Care as a very conservative estimate, but it the effects were more positive than originally thought we could reduce enough spending to reduce some of the changes in the tax code. Well, I'm not a deficit hawk. I'd be hesitant to reduce tax revenues too deeply at the moment. I just don't want us to get into a structural deficit scenario, where we use spending reductions or newly found resources and the natural instinct is to cut taxes with it. It's a reasonable idea - but we need structurally stable revenues and demands, if you want to build in a permanent change in the tax code. The changes in my plan won't have significant impacts on the bottom line, plus we need to encourage spending at the lower end of the scale and get more small businesses hiring. If that delivers, then we should get increased revenues. But we can't risk valuable programs because we a) can't have a deficit b) we'd prefer lower taxes. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 04, 2015, 12:39:23 AM I wanted to lower taxes during my presidency but we just can't afford to do it with all of the programs we have in atlasia. My tax plan was pretty much dead on arrival, but I mainly introduced it for the debate more than anything. I couldn't let the senate stall on my watch. And yeah, my education bill didn't help but I felt it implemented some necessary changes. All in all, I think we are really going to need to change the way we all deal of economic policy, since we had to wait until the budget to see the negatives of programs that looked fantastic and easy to support on paper. I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code. Trust me, so was I. But I don't see any other way to make the system more progressive without significant cuts to spending to account for lost revenues. Well, another alternative comes forward if we are able to get an estimate on the effects of the Health Care Reform (I just couldn't find the right data myself), as one of the arguments we put forward was that it could reduce the high spending that the old system meant. I chose to propose a trillion for Health Care as a very conservative estimate, but it the effects were more positive than originally thought we could reduce enough spending to reduce some of the changes in the tax code. The savings are not as great as they could have been since all five regions are functioning as a monopoly right now since none took the step to allow competition. Not even the IDS, though we were coming close before Scott departed from our midst. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 06, 2015, 06:01:36 PM I wanted to lower taxes during my presidency but we just can't afford to do it with all of the programs we have in atlasia. My tax plan was pretty much dead on arrival, but I mainly introduced it for the debate more than anything. I couldn't let the senate stall on my watch. And yeah, my education bill didn't help but I felt it implemented some necessary changes. All in all, I think we are really going to need to change the way we all deal of economic policy, since we had to wait until the budget to see the negatives of programs that looked fantastic and easy to support on paper. I am concerned about increasing the number of brackets and that it could add to the complexity of the tax code. Trust me, so was I. But I don't see any other way to make the system more progressive without significant cuts to spending to account for lost revenues. Well, another alternative comes forward if we are able to get an estimate on the effects of the Health Care Reform (I just couldn't find the right data myself), as one of the arguments we put forward was that it could reduce the high spending that the old system meant. I chose to propose a trillion for Health Care as a very conservative estimate, but it the effects were more positive than originally thought we could reduce enough spending to reduce some of the changes in the tax code. The savings are not as great as they could have been since all five regions are functioning as a monopoly right now since none took the step to allow competition. Not even the IDS, though we were coming close before Scott departed from our midst. In your opinion, Yankee, would it be feasible to lower the spending in Health Care to, say, 950 or 900 billion on the assumption that the system would be saving us that much money? If so, then I woul propose an amendment to lower that amount so we can reduce some of the tax increases for at least the middle class, and I think we would have a balance acceptable to at least a majority. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 07, 2015, 12:20:01 AM It could possibly work, but I would feel better if the at least some of the regions had taken the next step.
Damn I miss Scott. :( I will be happy to introduce the amendment for you, Mr. President. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 07, 2015, 02:27:28 PM Thank you, Yankee!
Now, the reasoning behind this proposal is to conciliate the fact that a more progressive tax system is going to pass either way with the concern that some of the tax rates might be too high or might not benefit some sectors of the population, so the idea here is to follow the premise of a much cheaper Health Care System by lowering its spending to 930 billion, with the only new expense being the expansion of the space program (which is still believe is key for the future). All in all, we save 64 billion in spending and we reduce it to 30 billions or so lower than the Averroes Nix budget despite this year's increases. I still lack expertice when it comes to tax rates, but I have cancelled the raise of the Financial Transaction Tax, corrected the mistake in the Health Care Payroll tax (the formal change to 6.1% to 8% lacked the proper symbol) and lowered most of the income taxes by 1% per bracket with a few exceptions. Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35,000-$84,999 (20%): TBD[ $85,000-$159,999 ( $160,000-$399,999 ( $400,000-$999,999 ( $1,000,000-$3,499,999: ( $3,500,00-$9,999,999 ( $10,000,000+ (60%) TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100,00-$999,999 (9.5%): TBD $1,000,000-$9,999,999 (16%): TBD $10,000,000-$24,999,999 (25%): TBD $25,000,000+ (29%) Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (33 cents/gallon): TBD Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 6% for various products)* : TBD Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 6% tax)*: TBD Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 18% on all products)*: TBD Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($30/ton) Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: ( Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $55.6 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $373.2 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $45 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $166.0 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $20 B International military aid: $3.5 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $4.9 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $28.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $ 58.4 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.4 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act):$ 20 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $31.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.4 B Conservation and land management: $9 B Recreational & Park resources: $3 B Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.6 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $4.30 B Agricultural research and services: $4.0 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $9.3 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $1.95 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $25.7 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $19.5 B Other Mass transit: $10.0 B Railroads: $3 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $8 B Water transportation: $5 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $79.62 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6 B Area and regional development: $8 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $31.65 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $68.0 B Higher education: $35 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $141.39 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $94.6 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B ME Community Health Partnership: $ B MW Community Health Partnership: $ B NE Community Health Partnership: $ B PA Community Health Partnership: $ B Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $710 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $782.02 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $1.65 B Administrative costs: $ 0.8 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $2.45 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ 86.62 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $184.0 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $ EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 07, 2015, 03:43:17 PM How comfortable is everyone with this?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 08, 2015, 01:27:06 AM I am offering it officially now.
Not that I am uninterested in Polnut's question, it is that it will be nearly 24 hours before I can get back on again to do it. ;) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 08, 2015, 08:32:01 AM Senators have 36 hours to object to Yankee's amendment
As for Polnut's question I must say I'm not really that comfortable with this. As far as I can work out e're cutting healthcare spending for what amounts to a tax cut for the rich (the tax bracket the majority of atlasians fall under stays the same). Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on January 08, 2015, 08:48:59 AM Yes, Senator bore's comments are my thoughts as well. I'm on board with the cutting of taxes for the second and maybe also third bracket, but from the fourth bracket on, I'd rather keep it the way we have it...
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on January 08, 2015, 10:54:46 AM Health care is going to be cut by 60 billions???
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 08, 2015, 11:19:31 AM I object to the amendment. Why are we cutting the FTT? The rich can afford to pay more.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 08, 2015, 07:09:01 PM Yes, I also object. We don't know for sure the demands of the health budget, so I would prefer to over-estimate the amount required, than under-provide. So I'm not quite sure where we got the final health number from.
Plus, there are very very few who would be impacted by a 0.25% increase in the FTT. Most people are not going to be flying about with massive stock purchases. Let's say a regular person makes a stock purchase of $15,000 worth of stock. 0.5% = $75 0.75% = $112.50 I understand the President is concerned about a deficit... but we still have unemployment (particularly under-employment) that's too high, inflation is above wage-growth (therefore a drop in real earnings)... the Government needs to be able to do what it does best. I'm happy to pursue a surplus, as we had before, but I'm not going to take risks with the health and welfare of the Atlasian people to do it. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 08, 2015, 08:09:07 PM Alright, I understand that there are major concerns with this, and finding a common ground is certainly in the interest of all here.
I guess my main questions for the opposed Senators are, what type of cuts could you support when it comes to health care spending? And, what tax cuts (all of this based on the current Polnut amendment that was adopted, not mine) would you consider and for which brackets? I'd like to think we could at least make some advances in that area. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 09, 2015, 07:45:40 AM Senators a vote is now open on yankee's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 09, 2015, 08:01:33 AM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on January 09, 2015, 09:15:42 AM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: SWE on January 09, 2015, 03:41:08 PM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 09, 2015, 07:40:23 PM NAY
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 09, 2015, 08:04:02 PM Nay
Yankee's amendment has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 10, 2015, 02:19:34 AM Abstain
Yea, I was afraid of this, but like I said, I didn't have much of a time window over the coming day plus. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Senator Cris on January 10, 2015, 03:56:02 AM Abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 11, 2015, 08:40:06 AM By a vote of 0-5-2 this amendment has failed
Abstain: Cris, Yankee Nay: Polnut, TNF, Bore, Cranberry, SWE Not voting: Lief, Bacon King, Windjammer Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 12, 2015, 02:43:18 PM Well, I would like to propose another amendment that most of the Senate can support, so I ask again:
What type of cuts could you support when it comes to health care spending? And, what tax cuts would you be willing to consider and for which brackets? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on January 12, 2015, 03:54:37 PM Nay FTR
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 12, 2015, 04:01:06 PM Considering the skyrocketing inflation rate in this country at the moment, I don't believe it would be appropriate at all to cut taxes at this time, and I would be hard pressed to vote for any budget that did so.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 12, 2015, 08:44:16 PM Well, I would like to propose another amendment that most of the Senate can support, so I ask again: What type of cuts could you support when it comes to health care spending? And, what tax cuts would you be willing to consider and for which brackets? I think we need to know what cuts in the health area could be expected due to other circumstances. In relation to tax cuts - my proposal does give a small cut to those on lower incomes and small businesses (personally I think the $35k threshold is way too high, considering what average wages are but that's done and dusted). I also created a more graduated and progressive set of brackets up to the highest level. There might be some effective cuts, but considering such a small proportion of Atlasian are in those brackets, the impact on revenue would very slight. But Senator Lief does raise the issue of inflation. I don't see cuts in here, that are inflationary. If we were talking about cutting the lowest two brackets (where a huge proportion of the population sit) by 5-10% and you have a flood of new liquidity in the market - that would absolutely place upward pressure on inflation. Very minor cuts along the brackets I doubt would have much impact at all. My chief concern is that with wage growth being outstripped by inflation, we are getting into a wage deficit situation, so wages in real terms are dropping. The only issue in relation to our inflation rate... I'm not quite sure why our inflation rate is so high, it's not being triggered by high economic growth nor by pricing demands... Some context and justification for these rates, when in our situation, you'd probably expect lower inflation ... rather than higher, would be useful. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 13, 2015, 03:20:41 AM My chief concern is that with wage growth being outstripped by inflation, we are getting into a wage deficit situation, so wages in real terms are dropping. The only issue in relation to our inflation rate... I'm not quite sure why our inflation rate is so high, it's not being triggered by high economic growth nor by pricing demands... The Al Paradox. Despite my personal issues with the man, he was right back in 2010 when he was confirmed as SoIA? (pretty sure it was SoIA though it might have been GM, nah that was Badger I think). Anyway he said, that if any reasonable amount of realism was added, the numbers would be catastrophic for simple fact that Atlasian Gov't is so generally incompetent. The issues with the budget situation being so late and the fact that the stop gap is a good example of the Cavalry Arrives Late, that could hammer the currency and interest rates. Though the direct effects on inflation might not reflect the current one's at least in the short term save through energy prices possibly forming a root resource effect. I will admit I haven't kept up with the thread the last few weeks because of everything being as they are, so I don't know if the GM has spiked energy prices or not but this is retro (would you believe I am listening to 70's music right now :P) scenario is one possibility. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on January 13, 2015, 05:13:54 AM I m not going to support this level of cuts in social security. This would make the life of the poors much more difficult.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 13, 2015, 11:32:53 AM Likewise, I will not vote for any budget that cuts spending on social services. The only cuts I will support are cuts to military spending or 'law enforcement' activities.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 13, 2015, 01:07:16 PM Military spending cuts are, in my view, out of the question because the current spending levels are way too low, hence why this budget includes an increase in that area (that will end up being lower than intended). The reason why I propose Health Care is because the 2014 reform was aimed at reducing the costs and the expenses that area meant, hence why I think the cuts would not be as damaging as some predict.
I would like to send a new proposal, reducing the proposed cuts from 60 billion to 25, lowering the proposed increased in the space budget in my last proposal, keeping the current Financial Transaction Tax and a small tax cut for the second and the third bracket. Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35,000-$84,999 (20%): TBD $85,000-$159,999 ( $160,000-$399,999 ( $400,000-$999,999 (41%): TBD $1,000,000-$3,499,999: (51%) TBD $3,500,00-$9,999,999 (57%) TBD $10,000,000+ (60%) TBD Income Tax Revenues: TBD Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100,00-$999,999 (9.5%): TBD $1,000,000-$9,999,999 (16%): TBD $10,000,000-$24,999,999 (25%): TBD $25,000,000+ (29%) Corporate Tax Revenues: TBD Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8 Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): TBD Healthcare Tax Revenues: TBD Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (33 cents/gallon): TBD Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 6% for various products)* : TBD Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 6% tax)*: TBD Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 18% on all products)*: TBD Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): TBD *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: TBD Carbon Taxes ($30/ton) Domestic: TBD Carbon Import Tax: TBD Carbon Tax Revenues: TBD Financial Transaction Tax: ( Financial Tax Revenues: TBD Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: TBD Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): TBD Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): TBD Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): TBD Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): TBD Special Program Tax Revenues: TBD National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): TBD Corporate (0.5% > $350K): TBD NBL Revenues: TBD Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: TBD Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): TBD Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): TBD Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: TBD REVENUE: TBD SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $55.6 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $373.2 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $45 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $166.0 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $20 B International military aid: $3.5 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $4.9 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $28.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $ 58.4 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.4 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act):$ 20 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $31.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.4 B Conservation and land management: $9 B Recreational & Park resources: $3 B Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.6 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $4.30 B Agricultural research and services: $4.0 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $9.3 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $1.95 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $25.7 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $19.5 B Other Mass transit: $10.0 B Railroads: $3 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $8 B Water transportation: $5 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $79.62 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6 B Area and regional development: $8 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $31.65 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $68.0 B Higher education: $35 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30.0B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $141.39 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $94.6 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B ME Community Health Partnership: $ B MW Community Health Partnership: $ B NE Community Health Partnership: $ B PA Community Health Partnership: $ B Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $ Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $710 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $782.02 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $1.65 B Administrative costs: $ 0.8 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $2.45 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $ 86.62 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $184.0 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Net Interest: $240 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $240 B TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $ EXPENDITURES: TBD SURPLUS: TBD Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 13, 2015, 01:32:38 PM The US government (not including the private sector, which is predictably massive and is about another 4000 per year) currently spends (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries/) about 4000 dollars per person per year on healthcare which equates to about 1.2 trillion a year.
Now obviously our system is a lot more efficient per patient, but it also covers a lot more patients, so I'm really not sure we are in a position to cut spending. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Senator Cris on January 13, 2015, 02:34:29 PM I'm new in the Senate and I'm seeing the debate on the last year's budget and for the revenue, we had the exact numbers. Why this year we haven't the exact numbers?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on January 13, 2015, 03:36:17 PM I'm new in the Senate and I'm seeing the debate on the last year's budget and for the revenue, we had the exact numbers. Why this year we haven't the exact numbers? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 13, 2015, 08:03:30 PM My position is clear - our priority should be to get this thing passed.
I believe my proposal addresses issues of increasing the progressive nature of the tax code - and eliminating unnecessary jumps in taxes. Considering the proportion of people who fall under those higher brackets, the revenue changes should be minor. I do believe we should continue with a small tax cut for the lowest income bracket to enable greater liquidity and a small cut for the smallest business covered to give them more capacity to hire. But I couldn't support deeper tax cuts, when we're also talking about cutting health funding... without being sure of what might be needed. If it comes down to maintaining current tax rates over a reduction in funding for essential services, I know which side I'll be taking. It is too late for broad tax reform in this cycle. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 14, 2015, 02:45:21 AM Amendment Offered for the President.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 14, 2015, 04:52:22 AM I object to the amendment. I will not support lowering income tax rates.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 14, 2015, 05:07:13 AM I won't support this amendment
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 14, 2015, 08:43:14 AM Senators a vote is now open on Yankee's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on January 14, 2015, 08:51:02 AM NAY
I share Lief's concerns about inflation Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on January 14, 2015, 09:10:40 AM I don't see why a tax break of 1% is necessary when we could use this money so that we won't need cuts for health care?
NAY Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on January 14, 2015, 09:24:03 AM By the way,
Would it be possible to have an estimation of the revenue? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Senator Cris on January 14, 2015, 10:01:24 AM By the way, Would it be possible to have an estimation of the revenue? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lief 🗽 on January 14, 2015, 12:04:19 PM Nay on the amendment.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 14, 2015, 06:19:37 PM NAY
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lumine on January 14, 2015, 06:39:50 PM By the way, Would it be possible to have an estimation of the revenue? Well, I have requested the help of the Game Moderator on this, I hope to have an answer soon. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: SWE on January 14, 2015, 08:13:21 PM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Senator Cris on January 15, 2015, 02:41:11 AM Abstain
Because we haven't an estimation of revenue and we are not sure that this deficit exists. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 15, 2015, 02:47:22 AM Lumine, you are going to need to find someone else to offer any subsequent amendments. If I can get on again before Monday, it will be a miracle.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 15, 2015, 02:48:10 AM Abstain
I would feel better with the numbers. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on January 15, 2015, 08:34:55 AM Nay
This has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 15, 2015, 05:18:51 PM I'm going to suggest we suspend debate until we get an idea of revenue.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on January 15, 2015, 05:20:49 PM I'm going to suggest we suspend debate until we get an idea of revenue. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lumine on January 15, 2015, 05:52:57 PM Lumine, you are going to need to find someone else to offer any subsequent amendments. If I can get on again before Monday, it will be a miracle. Understood, Yankee, and thanks for all your help. I am still waiting on an answer from the GM, and I will not offer any further amendments until then. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Dr. Cynic on January 15, 2015, 07:17:34 PM Lumine, you are going to need to find someone else to offer any subsequent amendments. If I can get on again before Monday, it will be a miracle. Understood, Yankee, and thanks for all your help. I am still waiting on an answer from the GM, and I will not offer any further amendments until then. Further to this, I'm looking at it and will try and give it my best guess after I talk it over with my deputy. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 15, 2015, 10:50:19 PM Miracles are real, believe it! :P
Seriously, though, this is probably it. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on January 16, 2015, 01:22:06 PM By a vote of 6-0-2, yankee's amendment has failed to pass:
Nay: Windjammer, Bore, Cranberry, Lief, SWE, Polnut Abstain: Yankee, Cris Not Voting: TNF, Bacon King Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on January 17, 2015, 05:50:37 AM Nay for the record
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 22, 2015, 12:29:37 AM And I was afraid you would finish without me. :P
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 22, 2015, 02:12:40 AM And I was afraid you would finish without me. :P You know better than that. On topic - if we don't get numbers on revenue by early next week - we're going to have to act without them. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Maxwell on January 22, 2015, 02:16:08 AM The US government (not including the private sector, which is predictably massive and is about another 4000 per year) currently spends (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries/) about 4000 dollars per person per year on healthcare which equates to about 1.2 trillion a year. Now obviously our system is a lot more efficient per patient, but it also covers a lot more patients, so I'm really not sure we are in a position to cut spending. Doesn't it also allocate some of those costs to the regions? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on January 22, 2015, 08:47:18 AM Maybe at the margins. The current Northeast budget is here (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=203974.msg4410450#msg4410450) and is exclusively funding things like some research and alcohol reduction programmes. The actual cost of running the health service for instance hospitals, wages, the costs of drugs is not financed at all by my own region, but I don't know what things are like in other ones.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on January 22, 2015, 09:29:27 AM The situation in the Pacific is similar:
Quote $34.60 billion - Health services $7.00 billion - Substance abuse and mental health services $4.60 billion - Disease control, public health and bioterrorism $15.70 billion - Health research and training $4.00 billion - Food safety and occupational health and safety $3.30 billion - Other health care services Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on January 27, 2015, 06:50:15 PM Alright, what is going on here?
I note the GM's absence and also that the numbers side of thing is not the most enjoyable process - but I believe we have the numbers to get this passed and to the President by the end of the month. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on January 27, 2015, 08:19:55 PM The GM is still working on the numbers with the Deputy GM (I believe he stated so in his office), so we will have to wait a couple more days for us to get the idea of the actual revenue we are going to have with the current version.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on January 28, 2015, 01:02:38 PM I'd propose we wait for the numbers still until January the 31st, after that, we need to get this in direction of a vote if we want to see this passed before the election.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on January 28, 2015, 01:21:04 PM If at the end of the week, we don't have the estimated revenues yet, we will have to pass a,budget without that :(
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 01, 2015, 06:03:33 PM Considering the lack of a GM... we're in a difficult spot with this one. It could easily be more than a week until we're in a position to deal with the revenue side of things. What do you all think?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Adam Griffin on February 02, 2015, 07:43:47 AM LOL, this still isn't passed?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on February 02, 2015, 10:12:45 AM Motion to table.
At this juncture we probably won't have a GM until the next President is inaugurated, so we might as well just sit tight and wait. Plus our Lameduck administration doesn't seem to believe in compromising over much of anything, so I would prefer we cease negotiations with a President more committed to making sure that his base doesn't become the latest in the series of groups that have become utterly disappointed with his ineffective, shortsighted administration. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 02, 2015, 11:31:06 AM Wasn't Barnes serving as Deputy GM? Couldn't he offer some numbers?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 02, 2015, 01:14:21 PM I second TNF's motion.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 02, 2015, 02:10:31 PM Thank God I didn't have to deal with creating a budget during my two terms. I can't imagine what a train wreck that would have been juggling all of you in my arms ;)
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 02, 2015, 02:23:19 PM A motion to table? I would sincerely ask the Senate to reject such a motion, the least thing we need is to delay this for an unknown number of weeks because of what the Senator believes is a lack of compromise. And I resent that idea, because I have tried my best to conciliate my own views with the views of the Senate, and indeed I have already asked what would be acceptable for a majority of them in certain issues.
I have sent a message to Barnes given that he is still Deputy GM regarding the numbers and if there was a chance of him releasing them. I am willing to pass a budget and concede the fact that tax reform might not be possible given the limited time we have, but passing one without knowing what the revenue is would be, in my opinion, too irresponsible. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 02, 2015, 04:39:14 PM Quote FY 2014 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): $236.9 B $80K-170K (28%): $279.5 B $170K-368K (35%): $257.4 B $368K-1M (40%): $232.5 B $1M+ (60%): $556.9 B Income Tax Revenues: $1563.2 B Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M (10%): $91.95 B $1M-10M (15%): $28.85 B $10M+ (25%): $273.93 B Corporate Tax Revenues: $394.73 b Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): $853.4 B Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): $10.3 B Healthcare Tax Revenues: $863.7 B Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon): $30.4 B Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* : $6.7 B Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: $10.8 B Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: $ 16.4 B Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): $4.86 B *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: $69.16 B Carbon Taxes ($25-30/ton) Domestic: $126.4 B Carbon Import Tax: $18.7 B Carbon Tax Revenues: $145.1 B Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: $176.3 B Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: $48.6 B Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): $4.9 B Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): $31.7 B Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): $7.1 B Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): $23.2 B Special Program Tax Revenues: $66.9 B National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): $13.6 B Corporate (0.5% > $350K): $4.6 B NBL Revenues: $18.2 B Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: $59.7 B Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): $79.2 B (-$1.7 B via Nat'l University and GE Reform Bill) Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): $21.7 B Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: $160.6 B REVENUE: $3506.49 B SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $377.54 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $49.0 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $170 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $30.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $56.0 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities : $15.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $33.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.03 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.36 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $25.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $37.12 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.45 B Conservation and land management: $9.07 B Recreational & Park resources: $3.12 B Pollution control and abatement: $2 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5.1 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.94 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $11.0 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $15.50 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $2.17 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.82 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $31.13 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $18.0 B Other Mass transit: $9.0 B Railroads: $2.81 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $10.0 B Water transportation: $5.65 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $85.01 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6.25 B Area and regional development: $8.36 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $32.26 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $71.89 B Higher education: $41.05 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $35 B Education Expenditures: $141.33 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.2 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $96.8 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $246.5 B ME Community Health Partnership: $273.1 B MW Community Health Partnership: $122.7 B NE Community Health Partnership: $203.4 B PA Community Health Partnership: $180.5 B Central Administration Costs: $22.8 B Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $1049.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety : $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability : $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $721.4 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $793.42 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $2.2 B Administrative costs: $1 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $3.2 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $85.58 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $182.96 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs : $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Interest on Debt Net Interest: $244.73 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $244.73 B[/b] TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: 3474.29 $TBD EXPENDITURES: 3526.46 TBD DEFICIT: $20B TBD Sponsor: Windjammer Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 02, 2015, 04:51:39 PM I was tired of not having any number at all. This is the situation where the numbers would be exactly the same than last year, but of course, that's probably not the case, but we needed to have an estimate.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 02, 2015, 04:55:30 PM Why not increasing taxes on marijuana and alcohol and put them at the same level than marijuana? We would get a lot of new revenues, and it would fairer. If marijuana is legalized, why should it be taxed more than alcohol and cigarettes?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on February 03, 2015, 07:39:10 AM I won't support increasing taxes on alcohol or marijuana. If taxes go up, they should go up on the wealthy and the wealthy alone.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 03, 2015, 11:46:16 AM I won't support increasing taxes on alcohol or marijuana. If taxes go up, they should go up on the wealthy and the wealthy alone. Quick calculation: we'd need 3% more on the highest tax bracket to get in the remaining 20 billion (actually ~27 billions) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 03, 2015, 11:48:23 AM Is that an amendment windjammer?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 03, 2015, 11:49:27 AM Is that an amendment windjammer? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 03, 2015, 01:33:12 PM Right, I have talked to Barnes and he does have some revenue numbers (although not all of them) and I have asked him to send. Once I have them I'll present them to the Senate, and I guess we'll decide from there, depending on whether we have a GM nominee. I should note that one Atlasian has indeed showed interest in the the position, so there's hope!
I also fully support Windjammer on raising marijuana and alcohol taxes, and I believe it's a far better idea than to just raise taxes on the higest bracket without any concerns. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 03, 2015, 09:55:56 PM I am deeply disturbed that some of considering just abandoning this for a whole month of "ceasing to work with the President" on this matter. Though many have made mistakes in this process, we ultimately would not be in this situation had the work been done last summer.
I am convinced that we can surely find something agreeable enough to pass. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 04, 2015, 12:15:33 AM I won't support tabling
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 04, 2015, 08:03:10 AM No, I will also not support tabling this. I will refrain from any further comments here until we get those numbers from Barnes Lumine was speaking of.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 07, 2015, 08:46:16 PM Right, I've spoken to Barnes, and this what we have:
Cynic started work on the Income and Corporate taxes, and while he gave an initial estimate the truth is that said numbers are somewhat different that the Averroes Budget (Edit: I changed the phrasing here, it didn't sound good): Quote Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35,000-$84,999 (20%): $3.9B $85,000-$159,999 (28%): $5.6B $160,000-$399,999 (36%): $8.5B $400,000-$999,999 (41%): $11.8B $1,000,000-$3,499,999: (51%): $15.6B $3,500,00-$9,999,999 (57%): $22.3B $10,000,000+ (60%): $30.6B Income Tax Revenues: $98.3B Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100,00-$999,999 (9.5%): $11.7B $1,000,000-$9,999,999 (16%): $21.2B $10,000,000-$24,999,999 (25%): $32B $25,000,000+ (29%): $45.7B Corporate Tax Revenues: $110.6B There also other estimates that were unable to be finished, although I would like to note that since the Health Care Payroll Tax was raised again to 8% then we should get a very similar number than the 2014 one ($853.4 B). Quote Healthcare Payroll Tax (8%) - 231,725 (in millions) Gasoline Tax (33 cents/gallon) Cig and Tobacco Tax - 25,618 (in millions) Alcohol Tax - 9,948 (in millions) Financial Transaction Tax - 220 billion Oil Spill Protection - 581 (in millions) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Barnes on February 07, 2015, 11:15:06 PM If I may address the Senate briefly:
I was collaborating with Cynic to create the budget numbers when the recent events transpired. I can confirm that the numbers presented by the President are the numbers that I forwarded to him following Cynic's resignation. Since I am not the Game Moderator, it would be inappropriate for me to develop these numbers any further on my own. I will, of course, be happy to assist Kalwejt once he is confirmed as GM, and I will also offer assistance to the Senate if you deem it necessary. I thank you for your attention. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 08, 2015, 11:10:29 AM So with the financial transaction tax, we now have 50 Billion more? :D
So I guess we're not in deficit? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 08, 2015, 03:47:14 PM So with the financial transaction tax, we now have 50 Billion more? :D So I guess we're not in deficit? Well, given that the earlier work was based on reducing spending as much as possible (or at least as much as the Senate and the Administration could support), and since we have raised some other taxes (Gas, Marijuana, Tobbaco and Alcohol) then that assumption is plausible. If I may address the Senate briefly: I was collaborating with Cynic to create the budget numbers when the recent events transpired. I can confirm that the numbers presented by the President are the numbers that I forwarded to him following Cynic's resignation. Since I am not the Game Moderator, it would be inappropriate for me to develop these numbers any further on my own. I will, of course, be happy to assist Kalwejt once he is confirmed as GM, and I will also offer assistance to the Senate if you deem it necessary. I thank you for your attention. Thanks for the assistance, Barnes! If I may ask, could you provide us with your opinion on Cynic's numbers regarding the Health Care Payroll Tax, the Gas/Tobbaco/Alcohol taxes and the Oil Spill Protection? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 08, 2015, 03:48:51 PM Well, thank you Barnes, Cynic and Lumine for these predictions. If you could as well give an estimation about the current deficit/surplus, that would be great too :).
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Jerseyrules on February 08, 2015, 04:51:47 PM Are citizens allowed to post with their concerns?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 08, 2015, 04:58:52 PM Are citizens allowed to post with their concerns? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2015, 05:11:02 PM While we mull over the revenue numbers, I would like to propose an amendment. First of all, this amendment recognizes the drastic and pressing need to immediately cut spending, as the administration continues to argue for. Second, this amendment recognizes that the Justice Department is currently grossly over-funded, an inevitable conclusion based on the parade of cases it continues to waste the courts' time with (e.g. prosecuting someone for a crime for which that person has already been pardoned). Therefore, I propose that the administration of justice section be amended as follows:
Quote Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 09, 2015, 05:21:41 PM From my point of view that amendment is unfriendly. It's pretty clear the goal there is less focused on actual spending reduction and more focused on a political attack on the Justice Department. These cuts, especially the gutting of Federal Law Enforcement, are bound to hit the Federal Government very hard when to comes to reacting and preventing critical situations.
Furthermore, how can we actually be sure that the Justice Department is "grossly over-funded"? Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Adam Griffin on February 09, 2015, 05:23:33 PM Furthermore, how can we actually be sure that the Justice Department is "grossly over-funded"? When you have the resources to pursue cases that even by the Supreme Court's own admission appear to lack any merit whatsoever or that break zero laws, it's pretty obvious. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 09, 2015, 05:26:33 PM Ah, so we should just cripple an entire Department because you and others don't like that Zuwo and Rpryor are trying to enforce the laws of Atlasia? Brillant logic, I must say.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2015, 05:29:02 PM Prosecuting someone for a crime they were pardoned for is not "enforcing the laws of Atlasia," at least based on my understanding of our great country's laws.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 09, 2015, 05:39:05 PM There are reasonable doubts on the actions of the former President, the Justice Department has found them compelling enough to act, the Supreme Court has allowed the case to move forward, and a jury will decide, period. I find it rather surprising that a situation like that would be enough for people to wish to cripple our Justice Department.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Adam Griffin on February 09, 2015, 05:41:07 PM Ah, so we should just cripple an entire Department because you and others don't like that Zuwo and Rpryor are trying to enforce the laws of Atlasia? Brillant logic, I must say. I don't believe we have any discretion in whether or not to hear a trial. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. If the Justice department wishes to proceed with this despite the concerns raised we will assign a justice to preside. Unless the Justice department decides otherwise and the President changes his mind, we'll have to go ahead and hear this case. We'll assign a presiding justice. Alright, I guess we're going to proceed here. Pssst: that's court speak for "you're conducting a witch-hunt with no legal basis and if we had a choice, we'd throw this out". Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 09, 2015, 05:47:25 PM I would appreciate it if we could keep this outside the budget discussions and on the appropriate thread, so I will just note that putting words on the mouth of the Supreme Court is certainly an accurate, honest and brilliantly persuasive line of argument.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Adam Griffin on February 09, 2015, 05:59:21 PM I would appreciate it if we could keep this outside the budget discussions and on the appropriate thread, so I will just note that putting words on the mouth of the Supreme Court is certainly an accurate, honest and brilliantly persuasive line of argument. It was abundantly clear that there was doubt about whether the case should have been taken in the first place, but they had no option. You, likewise, are putting words in their mouth by trying to lend the case credibility with the statement of "the Supreme Court has allowed the case to move forward", despite them having no choice. It's also obviously relevant to the proposed amendment in question because you posed the question as to why it was necessary in the first place. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: ZuWo on February 10, 2015, 01:55:06 AM It's obviously up to the other Senators to decide if they want to feed our resident trolls Lief and Griffin but cutting the budget of the DoJ will have no impact whatsoever on the number of cases and trials brought before the SC - not now and in the future.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2015, 07:10:05 AM I find it very disturbing that the Attorney General is poking his head into the Senate to insult a sitting Senator and regional representative.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: ZuWo on February 10, 2015, 07:35:55 AM You have called those serving in the DoJ buffoons and worse, just to put things in perspective. Your persistent trolling, which is the reason for your poor job approval ratings, needs to be called out.
Anyway, go ahead with your proposal to cripple the DoJ. The impacts will be felt by my successor, who's probably going to be someone closely affiliated with your party. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on February 10, 2015, 07:45:51 AM The level of McCarthyite witch-hunting this pathetic administration is willing to engage in for political gain is disgusting.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 10, 2015, 07:47:24 AM I join the concerns of just making blanket statements about how the DoJ is 'grossly over-funded'... can the Senators in favour of this quantify it?
I'm not opposed in principle, but I'd want a hell of a lot more support evidence. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2015, 08:28:08 AM A certain level of decorum and respect should be expected in the halls of the Senate, Mr. Attorney General. As for approval ratings, a ridiculously inactive cabinet secretary who should be impeached currently has approvals in the high 60s, so I don't pay much attention to those. The People elected me to stand up to the partisan overreach coming out of this administration, and I intend to do so.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 10, 2015, 09:54:50 AM Certain level of respect that this administration has not recieved from you, Senator, same case with Senator TNF. That you oppose what the administration does is one thing, another is the constant attempt to score political points with ludicrous proposal, not to mention the persistent name calling of several officers (and I'm used to that, but that doesn't make it respectful).
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2015, 10:11:38 AM Perhaps if the Justice Department were as concerned with the safety of opposition Senators as it is with removing as many Labor voters as possible from the voter rolls, I would be less critical of it and its officers. But to come into the Senate and call a sitting Senator and regional legislator "trolls" is beyond the pale, and far beyond any criticisms I have leveled against you or your administration on the Senate floor. I understand that your administration would rather take money from the poor and the sick than an over-active and increasingly partisan branch of your administration, but that is absolutely no reason to engage in personal attacks more befitting a schoolyard than the People's Chamber.
Anyway, the purpose of this thread is to discuss the budget, not for the administration to air its partisan grievances. I hope we can return to that discussion. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 10, 2015, 11:49:23 AM Senators a vote is now open on Lief's amendment, please vote aye nay or abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: ZuWo on February 10, 2015, 01:59:19 PM Perhaps if the Justice Department were as concerned with the safety of opposition Senators as it is with removing as many Labor voters as possible from the voter rolls, I would be less critical of it and its officers. But to come into the Senate and call a sitting Senator and regional legislator "trolls" is beyond the pale, and far beyond any criticisms I have leveled against you or your administration on the Senate floor. I understand that your administration would rather take money from the poor and the sick than an over-active and increasingly partisan branch of your administration, but that is absolutely no reason to engage in personal attacks more befitting a schoolyard than the People's Chamber. You have repeatedly stated that the DoJ is specifically and unfairly targeting members of your party. You have claimed that we are prosecuting Atlasians because of their political orientation. In fact, this is the most serious allegation that can be made against law enforcement authorities in a democratic state. You are right, that I called you and Griffin "trolls" was inadequate and I regret that; my words should have been much harsher. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2015, 02:06:40 PM Aye, on the amendment.
It is clear that the DOJ is currently grossly over-funded. Because the Attorney General denies engaging in a partisan witch hunt, I have no other explanation for the parade of frivolous cases they have embarked on, including against citizens who are clearly innocent. These frivolous cases have been criticized by citizens from across the aisle, including the IDS speaker and a sitting court justice. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Maxwell on February 10, 2015, 03:26:09 PM If we can find ways to actually run the judiciary more efficiently, than obviously I would support an amendment lowering spending, but this isn't about making the justice department more efficient in terms of expenses, this is about actively hurting the justice department to make some dumb statement. Hopefully the Senate rejects this amendment.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Senator Cris on February 10, 2015, 03:32:07 PM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Poirot on February 10, 2015, 05:22:34 PM In case Senators don't read the Senate protest and analysis thread, I would like to link the remarks of a concerned citizen on the budget numbers.
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=19934.msg4481077#msg4481077 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=19934.msg4481077#msg4481077) Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 10, 2015, 05:41:49 PM I don't support a politically motivated move against the functions of Government, which are important, any more than any other politically motivated moves.
I don't support the amendment. NAY Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on February 10, 2015, 05:59:38 PM Nay
Like practically everyone else in atlasia I think the prosecution against tyrion is misguided, and I really hope he is acquitted. That said, I think there is a strong partition behind laws dealing with atlasia and laws dealing with the game, and I don't think we should interfere with that partition, for the same reason simfan is not obligated to be on every jury. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: SWE on February 10, 2015, 09:27:34 PM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: TNF on February 11, 2015, 08:26:13 AM Aye
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Cranberry on February 11, 2015, 08:31:19 AM NAY
bore summed up my views. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: windjammer on February 11, 2015, 11:56:33 AM NAY bore summed up my views. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on February 11, 2015, 12:52:56 PM Lief's amendment has enough votes to fail, senators have 24 hours to change their votes
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 11, 2015, 10:25:06 PM NAY
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting on Amendment) Post by: bore on February 13, 2015, 02:29:01 PM Oops, I thought I'd already closed this.
By a vote of 7-2 this amendment has failed Aye: TNF, Lief Nay: Bore, Yankee, Polnut, Cris, Cranberry, Windjammer, SWE Not Voting: BK Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 15, 2015, 10:57:57 AM And I was worried you'd finish this up while I'm away :P
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 17, 2015, 09:03:58 AM Any idea of the current deficit or surplus?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 17, 2015, 09:18:26 AM Any idea of the current deficit or surplus? I have messaged the Game Moderator and he is consulting with the Deputy GM. As things stand, once we have the revenue estimates then it will be possible to go for a final vote and solve this as soon as possible. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 18, 2015, 09:24:53 AM Do we have a time table from the GM at this point or is to be expected soon?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 18, 2015, 11:29:51 AM FWIW: Kal is working on that!
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 18, 2015, 06:06:36 PM Do we have a time table from the GM at this point or is to be expected soon? Well, I was told by the GM that it should be ready by tomorrow. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 19, 2015, 06:34:55 PM Do we have a time table from the GM at this point or is to be expected soon? Well, I was told by the GM that it should be ready by tomorrow. Due to a minor computer problem, the estimate may be posted a few hours later than expected, but no more. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 19, 2015, 08:37:02 PM Grrrrr :P
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on February 19, 2015, 09:14:53 PM The night is very young. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 19, 2015, 10:58:25 PM Revenue numbers are up, and it seems we have a surplus according to the calculations. I'll propose an amendment tonight to see if we can move to a final version!
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 20, 2015, 12:01:49 AM Here it is!
I have added the revenue estimates by the GM, but there was a major issue as I was reviewing the changes, a mistake on our behalf. As you remember Windjammer's earlier amendment was done to add the revenue of year 2014 to provide a basis, but what we didn't notice is that said amendment erased the changes in spending we had agreed on before my push for tax reform, and it also changed the tax brackets that were changed to make them more progressive to the state in which they were in 2014, thus leading the budget calculations to be based on said year. What I've done here is to adjust spending to what it was (because no estimates are needed for that) and I did two minor spending alteration from what we had agreed on before: rounding military spending to 180 billion instead of 177 billion and adding $5 Billon to space spending based on the concerns of some citizens. All of that should account for a budget with a 25 Billion surplus with the revenue estimates given by Kalwejt. The good part is that the tax structures of 2014 are more than enough to give us a solid surplus when combined to our December spending cuts, the bad part is that due to the earlier amendment recovering the changes in the tax structure would likely need new estimations. Thoughts? Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): $232.8 B $80K-170K (28%): $277.7 B $170K-368K (35%): $254.5 B $368K-1M (40%): $232.0 B $1M+ (60%): $553 B Income Tax Revenues: $1550.0 B Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M (10%): $90.9 B $1M-10M (15%): $28.6 B $10M+ (25%): $272.5 B Corporate Tax Revenues: $392.0 b Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): $871.3 B Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): $10.7 B Healthcare Tax Revenues: $882.0 B Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon): $28.272 B Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* : $6.5 B Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: $11.0 B Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: $ 16.7 B Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): $4.99 B *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: $67.46 B Carbon Taxes ($25-30/ton) Domestic: $126.4 B Carbon Import Tax: $18.7 B Carbon Tax Revenues: $156.6 B Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: $158.7 B Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: $43.4 B Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): $4.7 B Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): $31.4 B Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): $7.1 B Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): $23.2 B Special Program Tax Revenues: $67.3 B National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): $13.8 B Corporate (0.5% > $350K): $4.7 B NBL Revenues: $18.5 B Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: $58.4 B Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): $79.0 B Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): $21.5 B Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: $158.9 B REVENUE: $3494.86 B SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $380 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $45.0 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $166 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $30.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $56.0 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $20.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $33.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.0 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.4 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $20.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $31.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.4 B Conservation and land management: $9.0 B Recreational & Park resources: $3.0 B Pollution control and abatement: $2.0 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5.0 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.6 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $4.3 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $8.8 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $1.95 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $25.7 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $19.5 B Other Mass transit: $10.0 B Railroads: $3 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $8.0 B Water transportation: $5.0 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $79.62 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6.0 B Area and regional development: $8.0 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $31.65 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $68.0 B Higher education: $35.0 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30 B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $141.39 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $96.6 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $710.0 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $782.02 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $1.65 B Administrative costs: $0.8 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $2.45 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $86.62 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $184.0 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Interest on Debt Net Interest: $244.73 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $244.73 B[/b] TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3415.18 B TOTAL TAX CREDITS: $54.36 B EXPENDITURES: $3469.54 B SURPLUS: $25.32 B Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Barnes on February 20, 2015, 12:17:03 AM I have informed the GM that I will be on leave as Deputy GM until this Sunday. I will be happy to help finish this process with the Senate at that point, if so required.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 20, 2015, 01:06:28 AM How long would these estimations take?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 20, 2015, 08:40:29 AM How long would these estimations take? Yes, that's the question now, I guess. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Jerseyrules on February 20, 2015, 07:12:29 PM As a concerned citizen of Atlasia, I would like to take my opportunity to express my concern for the current budget figures being debated in the Senate.
My greatest concerns are the low spending we have with regards to the Atlasian Navy and space. Naval supremacy is the backbone of our armed forces; as stated by Admiral Trost, "When a crisis confronts the nation, the first question asked by policy makers is: 'What naval forces are available and how fast can they be on station?'" With the end of the Cold War, we have seen a reasonable decline in our navy, from a peak of nearly 600 ships. Yet the decline has continued at a concerning pace, where our naval forces have dwindled to less than half that number. The Nimitz was retired prior to its replacement, the Gerald R. Ford, being rendered combat-ready. This concerns me a great deal, as the forces of terror and jihad rage across the globe, particularly with the rise of the ISIS threat. Yet we must not neglect other groups which are hostile to the forces of freedom, all of which pose a threat to national security and our allies around the world. Our navy is the backbone of our global military supremacy, and is vital in our struggle to root out the forces of evil, and allows us to do so without regard to if they operate within our own borders or on the other side of the world. Moreover, our space program has been vital in the development all sorts of technology, with military and civilian applications. Spin-off technologies from the space program has given us commonplace items such as artificial hearts, automatic insulin pumps, breast cancer screenings, emissions testing, x-rays, microlasers, protective clothing, cybernetic arms and hands, ultrasounds, satellite television, and more. They also inspired a generation of innovators such as Steve Jobs and Bill Gates. The economic implications of ignoring space are not yet known, but it would be a tragedy if we wait around to find out. I would implore our senators to consider increased funding of space from $15 billion, less than .5% of our proposed budget, to $30 billion. Such an increase would represent less than 1% of each federal dollar spent in the budget. Surely we can afford this investment, which would allow us to more quickly return to the moon, construct a lunar base, and use said base as a launchpad for a human mission to Mars. It would allow for human adventure and exploration, and untold economic implications from spin-offs, space tourism, and more. Space has represented the greatest return on investment for any federal program thus far. Let's get back on the path of exploration and innovation. Let's start this year. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 20, 2015, 07:25:08 PM I have to say I fully share Jerseyrules's concerns on military spending and NASA spending, which is why my most recent proposal includes a raise on both areas (and specially in space spending, from 15 billion to 20 billion). If the rest of the Senate agrees, I think a raise to 30 would be a good idea, and it would still leave a surplus of 15 billion.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 20, 2015, 11:03:03 PM I would be leaning towards supporting such as well.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Sec. of State Superique on February 21, 2015, 10:44:13 PM Since we have discovered that we have a small space in our budget, I would like to shall my support for the ideas given by Jerseyrules. Certainly providing better assistance to our navy and specially our Space Program is a huge priority. Nonetheless, I would also like Senators to consider higher funding for the CIA and the National Security Agency as well due to the increase of terrorist attacks and the necessity of better prevention of those actions.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: TNF on February 22, 2015, 07:03:07 AM I won't vote to increase funding for any of the things proposed here, with the exception of the space program. We have no real need to increase funding for the military or for the secret police (i.e. the CIA/NSA) beyond the paranoid fears of the right-wing
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 22, 2015, 08:21:37 AM Echoing Senator TNF's comments, I am too supportive of increasing our funding for space programs, to the 30 billions if you want so. I will however not support any further increases in military or even secret service fundings, we have already increased them in this budget to the furthest acceptable to a large portion of Senators as well as the Atlasian public.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 22, 2015, 10:25:44 AM Fair enough, all I will propose now is an increased space budget.
I will however note that our military budget is still way too small to be actually realistic, and I am dissapointed that some would disregard this section along with intelligence as useless, especially in light of the truly crucial role of this sector. It's not even a hawkish view, as the support of wide sections (even in the left) for increases in military spending will prove. Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): $232.8 B $80K-170K (28%): $277.7 B $170K-368K (35%): $254.5 B $368K-1M (40%): $232.0 B $1M+ (60%): $553 B Income Tax Revenues: $1550.0 B Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M (10%): $90.9 B $1M-10M (15%): $28.6 B $10M+ (25%): $272.5 B Corporate Tax Revenues: $392.0 b Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): $871.3 B Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): $10.7 B Healthcare Tax Revenues: $882.0 B Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon): $28.272 B Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* : $6.5 B Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: $11.0 B Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: $ 16.7 B Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): $4.99 B *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: $67.46 B Carbon Taxes ($25-30/ton) Domestic: $126.4 B Carbon Import Tax: $18.7 B Carbon Tax Revenues: $156.6 B Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: $158.7 B Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: $43.4 B Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): $4.7 B Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): $31.4 B Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): $7.1 B Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): $23.2 B Special Program Tax Revenues: $67.3 B National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): $13.8 B Corporate (0.5% > $350K): $4.7 B NBL Revenues: $18.5 B Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: $58.4 B Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): $79.0 B Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): $21.5 B Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: $158.9 B REVENUE: $3494.86 B SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $380 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $45.0 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $166 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $30.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $56.0 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $ Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $ Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.0 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.4 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $20.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $31.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.4 B Conservation and land management: $9.0 B Recreational & Park resources: $3.0 B Pollution control and abatement: $2.0 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5.0 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.6 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $4.3 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $8.8 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $1.95 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $25.7 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $19.5 B Other Mass transit: $10.0 B Railroads: $3 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $8.0 B Water transportation: $5.0 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $79.62 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6.0 B Area and regional development: $8.0 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $31.65 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $68.0 B Higher education: $35.0 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30 B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $141.39 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $96.6 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $710.0 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $782.02 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $1.65 B Administrative costs: $0.8 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $2.45 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $86.62 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $184.0 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Interest on Debt Net Interest: $244.73 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $244.73 B[/b] TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $ TOTAL TAX CREDITS: $54.36 B EXPENDITURES: $ SURPLUS: $ Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 22, 2015, 01:48:23 PM I'm just curious, considering that Atlasia has likely passed budget surplus every year for quite a long time. At which level is the debt now? :P
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 22, 2015, 02:32:36 PM Considering the poor state of the national economy (with entire sectors of the economy on the verge of strike, as seen in the Pacific for instance), I don't see the need for a budget surplus at this point in time. I think, more important than nebulous matters like national debt, we should be focusing on lifting up struggling Atlasian workers.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 22, 2015, 03:16:55 PM I'm tending towards the view that we should just finish this ASAP, and ultimately I'm not too bothered about what we do with the surplus.
Lief makes a very good point that the surplus could be used for good now, but on the other hand keeping some in reserve allows the senate to have some money to play with over the next few months so it can be directed to situations that really need it when they arise. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 22, 2015, 03:45:28 PM I agree with Bore, the Senate is bound to spend on projects during the year and as we saw during 2014, too much spending can lead to huge problems later when it comes to balancing the budget. I really hope we can get this passed as soon as possible.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Senator Cris on February 22, 2015, 03:46:50 PM Are we ready for a final vote?
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 22, 2015, 03:47:48 PM Are we ready for a final vote? If someone sponsors my amendment I would hope so, otherwise the current version has no revenue. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 23, 2015, 06:15:51 AM I will sponsor the President's amendment.
On topic, just because there is a surplus now, it's so small, a sneeze would blow it away. Let's leave it be. I'm happy for a final vote. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 23, 2015, 09:21:15 AM Yeah, I am ready for a final vote as well.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 23, 2015, 02:57:57 PM Senators have 36 hours to object to Polnut's amendment
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 24, 2015, 11:55:43 PM I think this is the best we are going to get. While not ideal we need to pass a budget, and therefore I intend to vote aye on final passage provided Lumine's amendment is adopted.
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 25, 2015, 04:57:14 PM Polnut's amendment has been adopted.
I think it's time for a final vote. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: windjammer on February 25, 2015, 05:12:00 PM AYE
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Lumine on February 25, 2015, 07:03:47 PM Indeed, it's time for a final vote!
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: bore on February 26, 2015, 08:31:01 AM Senators a final vote is now open on this bill, please vote aye nay or abstain
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Cranberry on February 26, 2015, 08:57:08 AM AYE
Let's get this thing passed, at last Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Debating) Post by: Senator Cris on February 26, 2015, 08:58:26 AM Aye
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: windjammer on February 26, 2015, 10:45:08 AM Aye
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on February 26, 2015, 11:00:00 PM Non-Reluctant Aye
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 26, 2015, 11:03:00 PM AYE
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: TNF on February 27, 2015, 07:38:39 AM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 27, 2015, 10:47:26 AM Nay
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: bore on February 27, 2015, 01:50:35 PM Aye
This has enough votes to pass, senators have 24 hours to change their votes Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Voting) Post by: bore on February 28, 2015, 03:43:24 PM By a vote of 6-2 this has passed the senate and is sent to the president for executive action
Aye: Bore, Polnut, Yankee, Windjammer, Cris, Cranberry Nay: TNF, Lief Not Voting: BK, SWE Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Passed) Post by: Lumine on February 28, 2015, 03:52:18 PM Fair enough, all I will propose now is an increased space budget.
I will however note that our military budget is still way too small to be actually realistic, and I am dissapointed that some would disregard this section along with intelligence as useless, especially in light of the truly crucial role of this sector. It's not even a hawkish view, as the support of wide sections (even in the left) for increases in military spending will prove. Quote FY 2015 Budget REVENUE Income Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $35K-80K (22%): $232.8 B $80K-170K (28%): $277.7 B $170K-368K (35%): $254.5 B $368K-1M (40%): $232.0 B $1M+ (60%): $553 B Income Tax Revenues: $1550.0 B Corporate Taxes (By Tax Bracket) $100K-1M (10%): $90.9 B $1M-10M (15%): $28.6 B $10M+ (25%): $272.5 B Corporate Tax Revenues: $392.0 b Healthcare Taxes Healthcare Payroll Tax (8.0%) (CSSRA Sec.4): $871.3 B Health Insurance Tax (ANHA Sec.2c): $10.7 B Healthcare Tax Revenues: $882.0 B Excise Taxes Gasoline Tax (20 cents/gallon): $28.272 B Cigarette and Tobacco Tax ($0.43/pack, plus 2% or 4% for various products)* : $6.5 B Alcohol Tax (various rates per unit, plus 4% tax)*: $11.0 B Marijuana Tax ($2/pack cigarettes plus 20% on all products)*: $ 16.7 B Firearms Tax (Firearms and Mental Health Tax of 2013): $4.99 B *(National Sin Tax Act, as amended, and Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act) Excise Tax Revenues: $67.46 B Carbon Taxes ($25-30/ton) Domestic: $126.4 B Carbon Import Tax: $18.7 B Carbon Tax Revenues: $156.6 B Financial Transaction Tax: (0.5 % on each stock and similar transactions) Financial Tax Revenues: $158.7 B Estate Taxes Estate Tax Revenues: $43.4 B Special Program Taxes Plastic Bag Tax (Environmental Fund): $4.7 B Chain Business Differential Tax (SBA Fund): $31.4 B Oil Spill Protection Tax (5% on profits > $1B): $7.1 B Electrical Power Transmission Network Tax (0.65 c/kW-h): $23.2 B Special Program Tax Revenues: $67.3 B National Broadcaster Levy Individual (0.25% > $50K): $13.8 B Corporate (0.5% > $350K): $4.7 B NBL Revenues: $18.5 B Miscellaneous Taxes Customs Duties: $58.4 B Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.): $79.0 B Go Green Fund (Returned to general fund; Omnibus Green Energy Act): $21.5 B Miscellaneous Tax Revenues: $158.9 B REVENUE: $3494.86 B SPENDING TAX CREDITS Earned Income Tax Credit: $46.3 B Jobs Now Act of 2012 Credits: $8.06 B Total Tax Credits: $54.36 B DIRECT SPENDING Military Spending Military personnel: $105.0 B Operation and maintenance: $120.06 B Procurement: $60.0 B Research, development, test and evaluation: $55.0 B Military Construction, Family Housing and Other: $15.25 B Atomic Energy Defense Activities: $18.29 B Defense Related activities: $4.00 B Military Spending Expenditures: $380 B Military Retirement Military retirement: $45.0 B Income security for veterans: $40.0 B Veterans education, training, and rehabilitation: $18.0 B Veterans mental health resources: $8.0 B Hospital and medical care for veterans and retired military: $50.0 B Housing and other veterans benefits and services: $5.0 B Military Retirement Expenditures: $166 B International Affairs International development and humanitarian assistance: $18.0 B International military aid: $5.0 B Conduct of foreign affairs: $6.0 B Foreign information and exchange activities: $2.0 B Central Intelligence Agency: $30.0 B International Affairs Expenditures: $56.0 B General Science, Space, and Technology National Science Foundation programs: $11.0 B Department of Energy general science programs: $4.5 B Space flight, research, and supporting activities: $30.0 B Nuclear Cleanup/Containment (Comprehensive Protection of Nuclear Power Act): $2.5 B General Science, Space and Technology Expenditures: $43.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Energy supply: $1.0 B Energy conservation and preparedness: $1.0 B Energy information, preparedness, & regulation: $0.4 B Smart Grid development (the Smart Grid Electrical Distribution Act): $20.0 B Coverage and Rate Protection (Electricity Fairness Act): $10.0 B Non-Defense Energy Spending Expenditures: $31.4 B Natural Resources and Environment Water resources: $5.4 B Conservation and land management: $9.0 B Recreational & Park resources: $3.0 B Pollution control and abatement: $2.0 B Environmental Fund from plastic bag tax: $4.9 B Other natural resources: $5.0 B Oil Spill Protection Fund (Oil Spill Protection Act): $7.2 B National Foresty Association (Forest Restoration Act of 2013): $0.75 B Natural Resources and Environment Expenditures: $43.6 B Agriculture Farm income stabilization & crop insurance: $4.3 B Agricultural research and services: $3.5 B Worker Co-operative Loan Assistance (Worker Co-operative Pilot Program): $1.0 B Agriculture Expenditures: $8.8 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Federal Housing Loan Programs: $-4.28 B Postal service: $1.95 B Deposit insurance: $-0.96 B Universal service fund: $7.96 B Other advancement of commerce: $1.93 B Commerce and Housing Loan Programs Expenditures: $6.6 B Transportation Highways and highway safety: $25.7 B High speed rail (Transportation Infrastructure Investment Act): $19.5 B Other Mass transit: $10.0 B Railroads: $3 B Coast Guard: $8.00 B Air Transportation: $8.0 B Water transportation: $5.0 B Other transportation: $0.42 B Transportation Expenditures: $79.62 B Community and Regional Development Community development: $6.0 B Area and regional development: $8.0 B Disaster relief and insurance: $10.15 B Homeless Shelter Emergency Housing: $2.5 B FEMA: $5.0 B Community and Regional Development Expenditures: $31.65 B Education Elementary, Secondary & Vocational education: $68.0 B Higher education: $35.0 B Research and general education: $3.39 B The Duke-Scott Educating the People Reform: $30 B The Atlasian Universal Education Bill: $5.0B Education Expenditures: $141.39 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Training and employment: $8.0 B Labor law, statistics, and other administration: $1.6 B Unemployment Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 5): $87.28 B Training, Labor and Unemployment Expenditures: $96.6 B Atlasian National Healthcare IDS Community Health Partnership: $ B 235.0 ME Community Health Partnership: $ B 265.0 MW Community Health Partnership: $ B 115.0 NE Community Health Partnership: $ B 195.0 PA Community Health Partnership: $ B 170.0 Central Administration Costs: $ B 20.0 Atlasian National Healthcare Expenditures: $1000 B Non-ANH Health Spending Disease control, public health and bioterrorism: $4.7 B Health research and training: $29.36 B Food safety and occupational health and safety: $3.01 B Drug abuse treatment (Consolidated Marijuana Regulation Act): $1.74 B Regional Mental Health Fund (Firearms & Mental Health Act of 2013): $4.86 B Center for Understanding and Researching the End to Cancer (CURE Cancer Act: $5.0 B Non-ANH Health Spending Expenditures: $43.67 B Civilian Retirement Civilian retirement and disability insurance: $4.89 B Federal employee retirement and disability: $58.22 B Federal employees' and retired employees' health benefits: $8.91 B Elderly Insurance (CSSRA Sec. 6): $710.0 B Civilian Retirement Expenditures: $782.02 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Infrastructure maintenance and acquisition: $1.65 B Administrative costs: $0.8 B Atlasian National Broadcaster Expenditures: $2.45 B Aid to Low-Income Families Housing assistance: $65.0 B Food stamps: $86.62 B Other nutrition programs (WIC, school lunches): $21.0 B Child care funds: $4.8 B Other aid to low-income families: $2.58 B Aid to Low-Income Families Expenditures: $184.0 B Public Housing Expenses (Public Housing Act) Public Housing Capital Fund: $5.0 B Community Development Fund: $1.0 B Neighborhood Stabilization Program: $2.0 B Homeless Prevention: $0.50 B Public Housing Expenditures: $8.50 B General Family Support: Foster care and adoption assistance: $8.0 B Child support and family support programs: $2.92 B Social and family services: $16.14 B General Family Support Expenditures: $27.06 B Administration of Justice Federal law enforcement: $7.25 B Border security and immigration: $7.46 B Federal litigation and judicial activities: $7.6 B Federal prison system: $3.26 B Criminal justice assistance: $4.22 B Administration of Justice Expenditures: $29.79 B General Government Administration Legislative functions: $2.75 B Executive office programs: $0.95 B IRS & other fiscal operations: $7.6 B Other general government: $2.0 B General Government Administration: $13.30 B Interest on Debt Interest on Debt Net Interest: $244.73 B Interest on Debt Expenditures: $244.73 B[/b] TOTAL DIRECT SPENDING: $3425.18 B TOTAL TAX CREDITS: $54.36 B EXPENDITURES: $3479.54 B SURPLUS: $15.32 B x LumineVonReuental, President of Atlasia. I would like to thank the Senators for approving a final version of the 2015 Budget, and I am happy to sign it. I do hope that this is the last time a President makes the grave mistake of sending a budget so late (for that I take full responsibility, even if it was the original duty of the administration elected in June 2014), and I would like to encourage whoever is elected in June to send a budget in September-October so there's more than enough time to debate the 2016 Budget. Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Passed) Post by: windjammer on February 28, 2015, 07:29:30 PM Houray!
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Passed) Post by: Cranberry on March 01, 2015, 05:48:13 AM Oh, endlich! :P
Title: Re: FY 2015 Budget (Passed) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on March 03, 2015, 08:57:20 PM We must remember that this was an undesirable circumstance foisted on us. I remember 2013 and 2012, working on those budgets with Nix and Napoleon, of all people. There were areas of contention and there was always that unresolved issue that we had to accept as the price for moving forward either because of the political landscape or because it simply was an overwhelming task for our limitations. I don't pretend at any point to think that this budget resolves our pressing concerns economically, which extend far beyond this text and include various legislative acts that have been pursued without much concern for the consequences.
I wish I had done more over the last seven to eight months, in spite of the fact that unlike in the Duke Administration (and then only for a few short months) there has at no point in that period of time been a governing majority on these issues, the sort that Duke, Lumine, shua and myself championed last Spring, but I would note that between having no internet and two months later facing the daunting prospect of a move made such already futile attempts impossible. I have also never been one for quixotic quests and when the opportunities have come about over the last few years I have sought to pursue those issues, but those opportunities have been few and far between. I hope the next administration or the one to follow takes this budget serious from the beginning and addresses our root problems for a change and I hope the Senate cooperates at that time to bring about that objective. Anyway, congrats to President Lumine to my colleges for getting this completed. :) |