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Title: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Del Tachi on January 09, 2015, 12:00:45 AM
https://archive.org/details/msdos_President_Elect_-_1988_Edition_1987 (https://archive.org/details/msdos_President_Elect_-_1988_Edition_1987)

Enjoy


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 09, 2015, 12:35:08 AM
Interesting!


Sure would love to play a version with updated graphics though...


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Del Tachi on January 09, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
What's crazy is that this video game (made in 1987) contains more election scenarios and a better campaign editor that anything that has come out since. 


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Phony Moderate on January 09, 2015, 08:41:29 AM
The manual for this is available on Scribd. It provides lots of helpful tips as well as a list of candidate qualities and maps, etc.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Chunk Yogurt for President! on January 09, 2015, 04:35:58 PM
I can only win in the landslide elections (64, 72, 84).


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on January 10, 2015, 01:38:43 PM
Anyone else been playing this? As "Ted Kennedy" in 1968, I beat Nixon by a solid five-point margin. I did very well in the South, though I took some present-day strongholds for granted, and lost OR, MN (no Humphrey on the ticket) and MD (Agnew's homestate) in squeakers.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Chunk Yogurt for President! on January 10, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
I just won as an independent against weak Democratic and Republican candidates I created.  I think it's interesting that my conservative positions were more popular in Hawaii and Vermont than they were in Missouri and West Virginia.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on January 10, 2015, 03:41:27 PM
I ran Nixon against himself in 1960 (both as computer).

Not sure wat happen

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Only GA and MS were over 60% for some reason. Most states were close.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 10, 2015, 07:20:36 PM
I played as Shirley Chisholm in '72 and got 26% popular vote and no electoral votes.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: rpryor03 on January 10, 2015, 08:02:26 PM
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Played as Nixon in '68.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Illuminati Blood Drinker on January 10, 2015, 09:20:10 PM
Knocked Pat Robertson around as Cuomo. Suck it, Moral Majority!

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Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX): 338 EVs, 48,738,932 PVs (53.48%)
Mr. Pat Robertson (R-VA)/Sen. Robert Dole (R-KS): 200 EVs, 42,388,484 PVs (46.52%)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Alexander on January 12, 2015, 12:46:05 PM
this looks fun !


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on January 12, 2015, 10:53:24 PM
Thanks so much for pointing this out ... I keep managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but it's a blast!  I just lost an incredibly close race to Hubert Humphrey.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on January 13, 2015, 11:33:43 PM
This was a fun one. I played as Pat.

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1988
D.P. Moynihan (NY) / S. Nunn (GA) 51% 376
L. Weicker (CT)/ H. Baker (TN) 46% 162
J. Buckley (CT)/ B. Stein (CA) 2%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 14, 2015, 12:42:03 AM
1972

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George Wallace / Scoop Jackson - 132; 44%, 35,243,792
Richard Nixon / SD - 406; 47%, 37,507,888
Ronald Reagan / MN - 0; 9%, 7,232,464



Closest state was Arkansas, at 46% (319,928) for Wallace and 46% (320,663) for Nixon.


I had a really big lead until I lost every debate! I don't really understand the strategy of this game. it's all just random numbers


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 14, 2015, 01:37:05 AM
1988

On 11:50pm EST, the state of Texas was called with 51% for Delaware Senator Joe Biden. With Texas goes the White House...

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Delaware Senator Joe Biden / Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen - 364; 51%, 44,432,088
Pat Buchanan / Don't Remember - 174; 49%, 42,730,544




Closest States

Alabama
Biden: 50%, 701,666
Buchanan: 50%, 699,947


Missouri
Biden: 50%, 938,327
Buchanan: 50%, 932,989


Montana
Biden: 50%, 185,712
Buchanan: 50%, 188,124


Ohio
Biden: 50%, 2,074,871
Buchanan: 50%, 2,088,805


Vermont
Biden: 50%, 109,762
Buchanan: 50%, 110,775


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 14, 2015, 02:11:02 AM
A Very Sad 1964

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New York Senator Robert Kennedy / ? ? ? - 228
Alabama Governor George Wallace / ? ? ? - 310


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on January 14, 2015, 11:51:51 PM
1980: A Comeback
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President James Carter (D-GA)/Vice-President Walter Mondale (D-MN) - 235 EVs, 50.00% of the popular vote - 40,770,360
Former President Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) - 303 EVs, 50.00% of the popular vote - 40,766,452

Lost Vermont by 500 votes, won Michigan by 2,000.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on January 15, 2015, 02:07:19 PM
It definitely tends to underestimate the effect of ideology (versus party) on the various states.
a computer v computer simulation:
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on January 15, 2015, 05:27:04 PM
here are the actual historical figures for the 1988 scenario if anyone wants to use them:

inflation (Sept.): 4.2
unemployment (Sept.): 5.4
GNP growth: 3.9%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 22, 2015, 08:39:36 PM
1960

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Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey / Texas Senator Lyndon B. Johnson - 251 (50%; 28,275,862)
Vice President Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. - 286 (50%; 28,519,956)




1964

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Massachusetts Senator John F. Kennedy / California - 25 (42%; 27,721,272)
President Richard Nixon / Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. - 513 (58%; 38,028,020)




1968

Eight years ago, it was after 2:00am EST that President Nixon was declared the winner. But we weren't even to 10:00pm EST before, with Illinois, Senator Humphrey made his historic comeback. He and Democrat-turned-Independent George Wallace were the only candidates to even win a state's electoral votes before 10:00pm.

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Minnesota Senator Hubert Humphrey / Illinois - 495 (49%; 30,481,652)
Rockefeller / New Jersey - 4 (38%; 23,841,216)
Wallace / Kentucky - 39 (13%; 8,190,454)




1972

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President Hubert Humphrey / Vice President Illinois - 393 (54%; 40,120,544)
California Governor Ronald Reagan / Tennessee - 145 (45%; 33,559,648)




1976

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Robert Byrd / Fritz Hollings - 170
California Governor Ronald Reagan / MA - 368

No percentages available; accidentally refreshed before I could copy it over.



1980

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New York Senator Robert F. Kennedy / Texas - 474 (54%; 48,719,244)
President Ronald Reagan / Vice President Massachusetts - 64 (46%; 41,514,376)




1984

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President Robert F. Kennedy / Vice President Texas - 533 (62%; 58,958,132)
Texas Senator George H. W. Bush / Connecticut - 5 (37%; 35,268,112)



1988

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Deleware Senator Joe Biden / California Governor Jerry Brown - 503 (56%; 51,852,836)
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Michigan - 35 (44%; 41,170,188)


BONUS MAP: Dole In '88!

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Sam Nunn / Deleware Senator Joe Biden - 95 (46%; 42,111,960)
Kansas Senator Bob Dole / Minnesota - 443 (54%; 49,575,276)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 22, 2015, 09:04:44 PM
1960 - H.H.H.

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Minnesota Senator Hubert H. Humphrey / New York - 276 (50%; 27,820,646)
Nelson Rockefeller / Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. - 261 (50%; 27,862,056)


Rockefeller wins popular vote by 41,410.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on January 30, 2015, 05:36:33 AM
1976 - Super Depression! Over 19% Unemployment! Just Because! Chisholm is the Great Saviour!

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Shirley Chisholm / Texas - 414 (38%; 27,272,280)
Gerald Ford / Virginia - 0 (28%; 20,397,696)
Ronald Reagan / Ohio - 124 (33%; 24,108,124)


1980: Total Anomaly!! Chisholm reelected!

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President Shirley Chisholm / Ohio - 326 (47%; 34,089,504)
Pat Robertson / Arizona - 212 (53%; 38,130,360)



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on February 19, 2015, 02:57:43 AM
Ran a computer v. computer 1968 with the same candidates, but with 21% unemployment. The results were... unexpected.

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Nixon's best states were Idaho, Pennsylvania and New York with 40% each.
Humphrey did best in D.C. with 57%, also getting 49% in Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
Wallace's best state was Alabama with 69%, followed by Georgia, Mississippi and Louisiana with 64% each.



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: "'Oeps!' De blunders van Rick Perry Indicted" on February 28, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
Constitutionally ineligible Bill Clinton vs. Ronald Reagan, 1980 - a computer projection:

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Reagan/Bush 49% 295
Clinton (non-incumbent)/Mondale 47% 243
Anderson/Lucey 4% 0

Flip 92,000 votes in Reagan's native state of Illinois, and the candidates tie.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: CapoteMonster on March 21, 2015, 12:49:40 PM
The game is no longer loading on my computer for some reason.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: VPH on March 21, 2015, 11:29:25 PM
The game is no longer loading on my computer for some reason.
What browser are you in?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on March 22, 2015, 02:36:45 AM
1988 - Jesse Jackson(SC)/Daniel Inouye(HI) vs. Robert Dole(KS)/Jack Kemp (NY) vs. MLK Jr./Lloyd Bensten (TX)
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D - 27,359,332 - 29%
R - 57,365,751 - 62%
AARP (African American Rights Party) - 8,590,665 - 9%

I made MLK to Overpowered, and I had the economy as amazing for the past 4 years. Kinda did me in... It was a fun game though!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: CapoteMonster on March 22, 2015, 10:39:16 AM
The game is no longer loading on my computer for some reason.
What browser are you in?
Internet Explorer.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on March 23, 2015, 07:45:40 PM
Would anyone care to help me compile a complete list of playable candidates? So far I have:


Barry Goldwater
Gerald Ford
Richard Nixon
Pat Buchanan
Bob Dole
Jack Kemp
Nelson Rockefeller
Pat Robertson
Ronald Reagan
John Connally
John F. Kennedy
Robert F. Kennedy
Ted Kennedy
Jay Rockefeller
Lyndon B. Johnson
Hubert H. Humphrey
George McGovern
Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Scoop Jackson
Ed Muskie
Shirley Chisholm
Joe Biden
Jesse Jackson
Mario Cuomo
Fitz Hollings
Bill Clinton
Walter Mondale
George Wallace
John Anderson


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Jahnson on March 24, 2015, 08:40:36 AM
Gary Hart and Jerry Brown are playable for Democrats.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Sir Tiki on March 24, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
Robert Byrd, John Y. Brown (not sure if Sr. or Jr.), Lowell Weicker, Phil Crane and Howard Baker are also playable.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: VPH on March 24, 2015, 08:04:53 PM
http://www.scribd.com/doc/93179685/President-Elect-1988-Edition#scribd
Down towards the bottom of the page there is a comprehensive list!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on March 24, 2015, 10:01:48 PM
Would anyone care to help me compile a complete list of playable candidates? So far I have:


Barry Goldwater
Gerald Ford
Richard Nixon
Pat Buchanan
Bob Dole
Jack Kemp
Nelson Rockefeller
Pat Robertson
Ronald Reagan
John Connally
John F. Kennedy
Robert F. Kennedy
Ted Kennedy
Jay Rockefeller
Lyndon B. Johnson
Hubert H. Humphrey
George McGovern
Jimmy Carter
Mike Dukakis
Scoop Jackson
Ed Muskie
Shirley Chisholm
Joe Biden
Jesse Jackson
Mario Cuomo
Fitz Hollings
Bill Clinton
Walter Mondale
George Wallace
John Anderson

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Should be it.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pyro on March 25, 2015, 12:32:59 PM
I call it, the "Silent Minority".

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on March 25, 2015, 01:11:13 PM
I call it, the "Silent Minority".

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I call it fixing economic and war conditions to get the desired result


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pyro on March 25, 2015, 01:22:20 PM
I call it, the "Silent Minority".

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I call it fixing economic and war conditions to get the desired result
Well not exactly.
I played as Nixon and deliberately played all my cards early in the campaign to see what would happen.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Phony Moderate on March 25, 2015, 01:29:51 PM
Who has tried creating real post-1988 races using the custom system? The winner usually seems to be the same as IRL but the margin is often different, plus John Kerry (for example) is too strong in the South.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on March 26, 2015, 01:22:47 AM
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Hillary v. Jeb 52% - 48%. Did as accurate as possible to a degree. Created a dumb Third Party Candidate Neutral all the way through, got 0% of the vote so no taking away from Hills there.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: jojoju1998 on April 01, 2015, 07:51:46 PM
Who has tried creating real post-1988 races using the custom system? The winner usually seems to be the same as IRL but the margin is often different, plus John Kerry (for example) is too strong in the South.
I think the reason why Kerry is stronger in the game than in real life is because the Game was created in 1987. The Democrats were still very powerful in the South.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on April 02, 2015, 02:10:14 AM
I wish this game could have been updated. President Forever series is the closest to real 2016 simulation that there is out there.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Tayya on April 02, 2015, 04:27:54 AM
Considering the game's age, shouldn't it be relatively hackable?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on April 02, 2015, 04:50:58 AM
Considering the game's age, shouldn't it be relatively hackable?
You'll have to figure that out, my friend.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on April 04, 2015, 04:49:59 AM
1976-1988

1976: Nixon's Unconventional Successor

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Arizona Congressman Mo Udall - 486; 54% (40,362,392)
President Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 52; 46% (34,406,332)



1980: The Rematch!

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President mo Udall - 360; 39% 30,315,692
Frmr. President Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 178; 35% 27,338,940
John Anderson - 0; 25% 19,443,758


Anderson's best states:

D.C. 49-19-32
RI 46-25-29

1984: Creamed

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Deleware Senator Joe Biden / Texas Senator Lloyd Bentsen - 495; 58% (50,496,916)
Nevada Senator Paul Laxalt / Michigan - 43; 41% (35,791,280)


20121988: President Biden, Hale and Hardy

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President Joe Biden - 331; 51% (48,620,928)
Texas Governor George Bush - 207; 49% (46,249,748)




To be honest I didn't mean to make this a string of Democratic wins. I thought Jeanne would come back big in 1980.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on April 04, 2015, 05:56:45 AM
1984: Ladies' Choice

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Diane Feinstein - 398; 52% (48,889,064)
Elizabeth Dole - 140; 47% (43,976,248)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Flake on April 04, 2015, 06:06:29 AM
^ I just entered in a rematch for them b/c why not and

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Tayya on April 04, 2015, 08:52:55 AM
Considering the game's age, shouldn't it be relatively hackable?
You'll have to figure that out, my friend.

It appears that we can at least edit in candidates in the database; however, they will have to replace existing candidates and I haven't found a way to change more variables than the in-game candidate editor can do.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on April 04, 2015, 03:50:32 PM
^ I just entered in a rematch for them b/c why not and

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LOL.



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: badgate on April 05, 2015, 03:33:44 AM
1980 - 1988: Extended Ladies' Choice

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New York Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm - 88; 35% (24,937,248)
Oklahoma Congresswoman Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 450; 43% (30,978,816)
Illinois Congressman John Anderson - 0; 22% (15,936,100)



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Florida Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro - 3; 37% (29,910,032)
President Jeanne Kirkpatrick - 535; 62% (49,641,796)



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San Francisco Mayor Dianne Feinstein - 317; 51% (49,921,136)
Kansas Elizabeth Dole - 221; 49% (47,802,828)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Flake on April 05, 2015, 03:47:32 AM

Quoting this for future reference


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Flake on April 06, 2015, 12:40:11 AM
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1976: Moynihan vs. Deuksomething
405 EV vs 133 EV
53% to 47%

Closest states were Vermont, Tennessee, and Florida.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Sec. of State Superique on April 06, 2015, 09:24:18 PM
I think I don't know how to play this game. 1968 - Played with Kennedy

1968 Election
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Former Vice-President Richard Nixon (CA)/Governor Spiro Agnew (MD) - 50% of thePopular Vote - 414 EVs
Senator Robert Kennedy (NY)/Governor John Connally (TX) - 44% of the Popular Vote  - 114 EVs
Governor George Wallace (AL)/ General Curtis Le May (OH) - 6% of  the Popular Vote - 10 EVs


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Sec. of State Superique on April 07, 2015, 08:22:50 PM
This game is impossible!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: CapoteMonster on May 17, 2015, 06:20:26 PM
1988: Cuomo vs. Dole

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Andrew Cuomo (NY)/ Sam Nunn (GA) - 54% (51,066,808)

Bob Dole (KS)/ George Deukmejian (CA) - 45% (42,489,936)

I was able to crush Dole by OWNING him in two debates and outspending him most weeks.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Dancing with Myself on May 20, 2015, 09:12:53 PM
I'm Feeling Good 'Bout America..

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Ford/Dole-311              40,180,064

Carter/Mondale- 227      39,227,068




Played as Ford, it took me 3 times to finally beat Carter. First go round I focused hard on the "Power Triangle" of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Pennslyvania. 1st whack I won every state except Pennsylvania and combined with Missouri and oddly SD and Cali I lost. 2nd go round I put McCarthy in and he won 9% of the vote, but he oddly sucked it off me instead of Carter. I lost badly.

Round 3 I did it right by doing 4 main things. 1: I saved my points for mainly the end, 2. I had a successful 3 day trip to England which made me look like a foreign policy genius, 3. I made a fool of Carter in the 1 debate we had, and 4. I focused hard on the PT states as well as Missouri, Cali, and SD.

I trailed in the PV the entire time but at 8 I took the lead and never looked back. Things rapidly happened between 9:30 and 11:00 enough to give me the race but it took until 2:10 when I got Cali to say I won. I was stuck at 263 for a while.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Del Tachi on August 16, 2015, 05:37:35 PM
Just observed a pretty intense simulated game (which is all about this game is good for):

THE GIPPER GOES DOWN
President Reagan defeated for reelection in 1980

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Senator Dale Bumpers (D-AR) / Senator John Glenn (D-OH) - 45,023,056 votes (50.7%); 404 EV
President Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vice President Richard Schweiker (R-PA) - 43,104,544 (48.5%); 134 EV
Senator Lowell Weicker (I-CT) / Congressman John Anderson (I-IL) - 712,071 (0.8%); 0 EV

Interesting that the simulation resulted in a few Yankee GOP holdouts (NJ and CT particularly).  I guess Weicker took more from Bumpers than Reagan in CT and having Schweiker on the ticket helped Reagan in PA.  CT was won by Reagan with less than 50% and PA was razor-thin as well.  CA, TX, IL, and FL were all very close; NY, MO and strangely WV were close as well. 


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: rpryor03 on August 16, 2015, 06:31:00 PM
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Governor Jimmy Carter/Senator Walter Mondale - 322
Governor Ronald Reagan/Senator Richard Schweicker - 216
Senator Eugene McCarthy/Senator George McGovern - 0

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Senator Howard Baker/Senator Larry Pressler - 320
President Jimmy Carter/VP Walter Mondale - 218

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President Howard Baker/VP Larry Pressler - 535
Senator Daniel Moynihan/Senator John Glenn - 3

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Senator Paul Laxalt/ Representative Phil Crane - 427
Governor Michael Dukakis/Representative Gerry Ferarro - 111
Senator Scoop Jackson/Senator Lowell Weicker - 0


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Kingpoleon on August 16, 2015, 06:35:32 PM
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Former Governor Ronald Reagan(R-CA)/Former Mayor John Lindsay(R-NY)
President Jimmy Carterl(D-GA)/Representative Morris Udall(D-AZ)
Former Senator Eugene McCarthy(L-MN)/Representative Ron Paul(L-TX)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Del Tachi on September 09, 2015, 01:58:52 PM
United States presidential election, 1976

Former Congressman George H.W. Bush (R-TX) / Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) - 40,366,032; 317 EVs
Former Governor Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Senator Walter Mondale (D-MN) - 40,387,936; 221 EVs

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The GOP establishment goes for something a bit different in 1976, and taps former Congressman, diplomat and RNC chairman George H.W. Bush to be the party's standard bearer.  Senator Howard Baker is picked to reinforce the party's moderate image while adding Southern appeal.  Democrats nominate Carter/Mondale.  Bush wins by a large margin in the electoral college, but loses the popular vote to Carter by some 19,000 votes (the closest margin in American history). 


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Del Tachi on December 18, 2015, 11:53:34 AM
United States presidential election, 1976

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President Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) - 34,740,760 (44.9%); 281 electoral votes
Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) / Former Senator Fred Harris (D-OK) - 34,814,016 (45.0%); 257 electoral votes
Former Senator Eugene McCarthy (I-MN) / CA VP - 7,754,652 (10.1%)

Simulating a 1976 election under historical conditions with Humphrey/Harris as the Democratic ticket and Ford/Baker as the incumbent Republican ticket.  Ended up being the closest election in American history to date, and Humphrey actually wins the popular vote despite McCarthy pulling over 10%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 18, 2015, 08:36:08 PM
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 19, 2015, 02:00:54 PM
1988 Election:

Eleven-year old prodigy Kanye West runs for and successfully obtains the Democratic nomination, portraying himself as a far leftist... and Soviet?

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Meanwhile, the GOP nominates none other than Donald Trump, who has decided to shift to the right earlier than expected.

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But alas, moderate independent candidate Ronald Reagan comes in to save the day!

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Deeply unpopular unknownRepublican incumbent proves to be a liability for Trump.

Auto-simulation results:

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67% Reagan; 25% West; 7% Trump


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 19, 2015, 02:14:34 PM
Some fun results (all are auto-simulated with pre-programmed candidates):

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^McGovern is incumbent with the popular economic conditions of 1984; Anderson beats Goldwater in around a third of the states.

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^John (D), Robert (R), and Ted (I) all face off in '76; John is incumbent with RL economic conditions. Popular vote is 50% D - 49% R - 0% I. Poor Ted :(

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Reagan, Nixon, and JFK face off in '88. Reagan is the incumbent with low inflation/unemployment but an economic depression and an unpopular war. PV is 50 Nixon/43 Reagan/6 Kennedy.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 19, 2015, 02:19:19 PM
Here's a full list of the 69 pre-programmed candidates and their data:

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on December 19, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
I played as Jimmy Carter (I) in  1988 vs   George H. W. Bush and Al Gore here are the week by week maps
 Start of the Campaign  sept 1st-7th

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Blue is Bush
Yellow is undecided
Red is Gore

Sept 8th-14th

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Sept 8-14th
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Sept 15th 21st
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 19, 2015, 06:02:14 PM
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Lyndon B. Johnson (D) faces Lyndon B. Johnson (R) and Lyndon B. Johnson (I) in 1968. The Johnson campaign does relatively well compared to that of Johnson, though economic conditions serve as a liability for Johnson and certainly help Johnson out.

Johnson the Indy ends up winning TX for some reason...


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 19, 2015, 06:56:48 PM
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Fun almost-even three way race.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on December 20, 2015, 08:41:32 AM
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Rep. John Anderson (R-IL)/Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 342 EVs; 45,852,744 PVs (50%)
Pres. Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Vice Pres. Walter Mondale (D-MN): 196 EVs; 44,832,752 PVs (49%)

Andrew Cuomo (NY)/ Sam Nunn (GA) - 54% (51,066,808)
Don't you mean Mario Cuomo?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on December 21, 2015, 12:53:28 AM

Obama (D) vs Regan (R) Anderson (I) 1988
 3 Ev                 535EV         0Ev
32%                   67%           0%
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Ariosto on December 22, 2015, 12:41:08 AM
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Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC): 28,838,316 (~40%) Votes | 399 Electoral
Fmr. Ambassador Andrew Young (D-GA): 23,489,982 (~32%) Votes | 115 Electoral
Lt. Governor Chuck Robb (D-VA): 20,065,704 (~28%) Votes | 24 Electoral


Decided to try and run the '80 Presidential Election with candidates representing the fringes and the center of political opinion, but I think that the despite Young not being labeled the incumbent President he was still weighed down by the economic and foreign situation as it existed. I honestly expected Chuck Robb to do better given his personal ratings compared to Young and Helms, but that may have been negated by the natural limitations of a Third Party budget. Vice Presidents were from New York for Young, Illinois for Robb, and I actually forget where I placed it for Helms.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 23, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
Walter Mondale vs. Bob Dole vs. Bill Clinton in 1976 with President Ford under RL economic conditions. Clinton defeated Dole by 25 votes in Arkansas, giving him his only state.

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Dancing with Myself on December 23, 2015, 05:03:31 PM
I wish someone would re-make this with modern candidates and #'s.

Plus make it free too that would be perfect.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 27, 2015, 08:54:51 PM
I simulated 1968 in which Wallace was the Democratic nominee, Humphrey was the Republican, and Nixon was an Independent (idk why).

Kentucky was tied; 453,815 votes per candidate:

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It's probably just a glitch in the game, because the map makes it seem like Nixon won Kentucky when he actually only won 1% there. I suppose that's what happens with absolute ties.

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on December 29, 2015, 09:41:45 PM
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An irony of the ages.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Kingpoleon on December 29, 2015, 10:06:22 PM
270: Mayor John Lindsay(R-NY)/Rep. Gerald Ford(R-MI) - 43.2%
221: Fmr. Gov. John Connally(D-TX)/Mayor Sam Yorty(D-CA) - 41.4%
047: Fmr. Gov. George Wallace(AI-AL)/Fmr. Gov. Ross Barnett(AI-MS) - 15.1%
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It's one of the weirdest maps I've seen playing this game. Here's some advice: Going pro-labor makes you lose literally the entire South(including MO) for making CA Tilt R and NY competitive. I wouldn't advise it.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Prince of Salem on January 27, 2016, 01:21:03 PM
1964
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George Wallace (AL)/Orval Faubus (AR): 50% (407 EV)
Barry Goldwater (AZ)/William Miller (NY): 44% (131 EV)
Robert Kennedy (NY)/George McGovern (SD): 6% (0 EV)

Played as Bobby to see how I could do with a 3rd party in this scenario.

(LOL at Wallace carrying all of the Northeast and Goldwater carrying Mississippi)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on April 01, 2016, 08:27:10 PM
Tried to make the best third party runs possible

1968:
Chisholm
Rockefeller (inc.)
Wallace

Status of nation absolutely horrible

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Chisholm 342 EVs 35%
Wallace 148 EVs 34%
Rockefeller 48 EVs 30%

This one is absurd but
1964:
Chisholm
McGovern (inc.)
Johnson

Everything is horrible

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Johnson 417 EVs, 44%
Chisholm 35 EVs, 36%
McGovern 86 EVs, 20%

Tried to get a liberal third-party, but I'll have to try harder for that one


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NOT gonna be banned soon on April 02, 2016, 08:16:00 PM
I can't even play the game. It just makes the computer play as Nixon in 1960. Any help?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on April 03, 2016, 10:12:48 AM
I can't even play the game. It just makes the computer play as Nixon in 1960. Any help?

Are you selecting the 1960 demo? Press 1 for all scenarios, should be better


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NOT gonna be banned soon on April 03, 2016, 12:37:48 PM
I can't even play the game. It just makes the computer play as Nixon in 1960. Any help?

Are you selecting the 1960 demo? Press 1 for all scenarios, should be better

It keeps saying that I need the manual


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on April 04, 2016, 06:55:20 PM
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Former Congressman John Anderson (I-IL) / I-IN - 395/28,765,864/38.41%
President Jesse Helms (R-NC) / Vice President R-OH - 143/24,838,410/33.18%
Former Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm (D-NY) / D-FL - 0/21277634/28.41%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Lachi on April 25, 2016, 02:54:14 AM
EDIT: I worked out what the doc check thing was, but even though I type in the right word, it still does not accept it for some reason, is anyone able to help here?

So with that, I used the 1960 Demo And this is how it turned out:

KENNEDY (D-MA) 348 Electoral Votes/32,229,322 Popular Vote (52%)
NIXON (R-CA) 189 Electoral Votes/30,229,322 Popular Vote (48%)
No electoral map can be posted at the moment, because of the post requirements to link images.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on April 25, 2016, 06:41:53 AM
Is it at all possible to get a different edition of this game?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Comrade Funk on April 28, 2016, 12:14:01 AM
1968 - Kennedy won thanks to Congress, despite losing the electoral battle (but winning the popular vote)....blame Wallace.

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Robert Kennedy (Democratic) - 262 EV
Ronald Reagan (Republican) - 266 EV
George Wallace (American Independent) - 10 EV


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Former Senator Haslam2020 on May 01, 2016, 03:59:58 PM
U.S Presidential Election of 1972: (The Slaying)

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George Wallace/Scoop Jackson: 12 Electoral Votes 32%
Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew: 526 Electoral Votes 68%
Shirley Chisholm/Eugene McCarthy: 0 Electoral Votes 0%

Bombed as Wallace.

U.S Presidential Election of 1976: (The Civil War)

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Mo Udall/Birch Bayh: 281 Electoral Votes 46%
John Connolly/Howard Baker: 257 Electoral Votes 54%

Udall pulls out, narrowly. The nation is outraged at his election, but it stops a third straight Republican term in the White House.

U.S Presidential Election of 1980: (The Victor takes his rightful crown)

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Fmr. Gov. John Connally/Fmr. Gov. Ronald Reagan: 402 Electoral Votes 54%
Pres. Mo Udall/Vice Pres. Birch Bayh: 136 Electoral Votes 46%

The Udall presidency was unsuccessful to begin with, a war in Iran and an unfortunate debate gaffe a week before the Election ended the stalemate between the two, causing Connally to win in a landslide.

U.S Presidential Election of 1984: (Good Ol' John for '84)

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Pres. John Connally/VP Ronald Reagan: 521 Electoral Votes 55%
Sen. Joseph Biden/Sen. John Glenn: 17 Electoral Votes 45%

President Connally was lovable, popular, and ended the war in Iran. Despite some unemployment, after some great debate performances, he defeated Joe Biden to get re-elected to a second term.



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Lachi on May 01, 2016, 05:16:08 PM
The thing where you have to have the manual is still coming up, I know what to do, but it isn't accepting the word, how can I fix this?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on May 01, 2016, 05:47:22 PM
The thing where you have to have the manual is still coming up, I know what to do, but it isn't accepting the word, how can I fix this?

write "start"


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Lachi on May 02, 2016, 02:32:33 AM
I mean the part that says 'Sorry, you need the manual to play PRESIDENT ELECT 1988 EDITION'
I type the right word, but the game still thinks it is the wrong word, for example 4 1 15 is 'votes' (4th word, 1st line, 15th page), so I type that in when it asks, but it rejects it, how can I get past that part?


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on May 02, 2016, 07:19:36 AM
Kennedy vs. Kennedy
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Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / D-TX - 420/36581600/53.24%
Senator John F. Kennedy (R-MA) / R-TX - 118/32032928/46.62%
I also ran a third-party Kennedy in case it made things interesting. It didn't.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on May 02, 2016, 01:07:25 PM
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Former Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) / R-TX - 323/34,065,480/40.35%
Former Senator George McGovern (D-SD) / D-MA - 215/31,830,774/37.71%
Former Congressman John Anderson (I-IL) / I-FL - 0/18,517,646/21.94%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on May 03, 2016, 04:48:31 PM
A mini-timeline built entirely from PE88.
1960: Better Than Expected
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Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA) / Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) - 461/33,773,636/53.28%
Vice President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Former Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, Jr. (R-MA) - 76/29,616,208/46.72%
1964: Near-Sweep
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President Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) / Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) - 521/36,752,056/62.19%
Senator Barry Goldwater (R-AZ) / Representative William E. Miller (R-NY) - 17/22,348,236/37.81%
1968: Nixon Never1
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Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) / Senator Edmund Muskie (D-ME) - 379/28,459,240/45.28%
Former Vice President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 120/26,092,292/41.52%
Governor George Wallace (I-AL) / General Curtis LeMay (I-CA) - 39/8,297,051/13.20%
1972: Same Votes, Next Cycle
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President Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN) / Vice President Edmund Muskie (D-ME) - 379/38,222,944/52.05%
Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Senator Richard Schweiker (R-PA) - 159/35,214,136/47.95%
1976: Party Like It's 1948
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Vice President Edmund Muskie (D-ME) / Governor Jimmy Carter (D-GA) - 310/39,310,336/50.21%
Senator Bob Dole (R-KS) / Senator Howard Baker (R-TN) - 228/38,975,524/49.79%
1980: Combo-Breaker
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Former Governor Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Former Director George Bush (R-TX) - 486/44,226,528/51.23%
President Edmund Muskie (D-ME) / Vice President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) - 52/35,631,188/41.27%
Representative John B. Anderson (I-IL) / Former Ambassador Patrick Lucey (I-WI) - 0/6,470,025/7.50%
1984: The Sweep
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President Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vice President George Bush (R-TX) - 535/55,189,824/58.95%
Vice President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Senator Gary Hart (D-CO) - 3/38,269,656/41.05%
1Title from one of the maps in Random Maps thread


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on May 10, 2016, 07:36:26 PM
Sabotaged Mondale, wondered how bad I could lose.
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President Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vice President George Bush (R-TX) - 535/75,718,216/83.02%
Fmr. Vice President Walter Mondale (D-MN) / Representative Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY) - 3/15,483,859/16.98%
Result: Not bad enough.
In contrast, Reagan sabotaged with the same strategy.
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President Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vice President George Bush (R-TX) - 354/48,262,944/52.97%
Fmr. Vice President Walter Mondale (D-MN) / Representative Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY) - 184/42,857,660/47.03%
Conclusion: Reagan was unbeatable anyway.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Lachi on May 18, 2016, 05:36:38 AM
2 scenarios: (Maps coming soon)

1: 1976, Swapping around the presidents and vice-presidents.

Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Fmr. Governor Jimmy Carter (D-GA): 216 Electoral Votes
Fmr. RNC Chairman Robert Dole(R-KS)/V.P Gerald Ford (R-MI), 322 Electoral Votes

2:1980, No 3rd Party (unrelated to scenario 1)

POTUS Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/V.P Walter Mondale (D-MN), 21 Electoral votes
Fmr. Governor Ronald Reagan/ Fmr. DCI George H.W Bush, 517 Electoral votes
Reagan/Bush got 50 MILLION votes.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Anti-Bothsidesism on May 18, 2016, 01:33:57 PM
Had the PC play as Kennedy vs. Ford vs. Reagan
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on October 26, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
When you get 7.5% of the vote
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President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / VP Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 538/92.48%/63852720
Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm (D-NY) / D-DC - 0/7.52%/5194131


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: NeverAgain on October 26, 2016, 12:21:58 PM
When you get 7.5% of the vote
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President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / VP Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 538/92.48%/63852720
Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm (D-NY) / D-DC - 0/7.52%/5194131

You did better than Chisholm would've done.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on October 26, 2016, 01:01:02 PM
When you get 7.5% of the vote
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President Richard Nixon (R-CA) / VP Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 538/92.48%/63852720
Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm (D-NY) / D-DC - 0/7.52%/5194131

You did better than Chisholm would've done.
So her campaign strategy would be to do literally nothing? ;)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on October 28, 2016, 01:26:45 AM
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Popular Vote-

Bush-50%
Dukakis-49%

Electoral Vote-

Bush-260
Dukakis-278


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 28, 2016, 10:05:10 AM
Running a race between Governor Cuck McGee and General Sieg Heil this afternoon. Will post the results.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on October 28, 2016, 03:54:17 PM
Quick TL, based on WI: Humphrey wins nomination in '60.

1960: Humphrey vs. Nixon

One of the most thrilling election nights ever, it was 4:30 AM and California and New York were both completely up for grabs. Humphrey needed just one to take the election. At 4:32, California was called for Nixon, by a margin of 18,000 votes. Eight minutes later, Nixon took New York, and the election, though he had lost the popular vote.

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Humphrey 258 EVs, 45%
Nixon 279 EVs, 44%
Wallace-like Southern Dixiecrat 0 EVs, 10%

SoDem's best states
AL: 38%
AR: 28%
TX: 23%
VA: 22%
FL: 21%
LA: 21%



1964: Nixon Challenged by Muskie

Heralded as a "re-aligning election", President Nixon's "Southern Strategy" paid off immensely. The president won re-election in a landslide fashion, with Muskie having lost by 9:11, at which point the electoral count read 274-7. Muskie was eventually held to his home state, DC, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts in a humiliation for his party.

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Sen. Muskie 25 EVs, 43%
Pres. Nixon 513 EVs, 57%



1968: Scranton vs. (Robert) Kennedy: A Broken Party in Repair

After 16 years of Republican rule, with the economy in a mess and an unpopular war in Vietnam, it was supposed to be easy for Kennedy to win. However, Scranton made a race out of it. It took Kennedy an hour to get from 266 to 270, with the call of Oregon at 11:48 finally doing it.

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Scranton 49%
Kennedy 43%
Wallace 8%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Metalhead123 on October 28, 2016, 04:31:44 PM
I cant post photos yet but I did an election with Robert Bryd, Nelson Rockefeller, and Howard Baker as the third party for some reason. I managed to not have an electoral majority. The house then chose Byrd.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Devout Centrist on October 28, 2016, 05:01:16 PM
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An avowed socialist and Soviet sympathizer destroys an ultra right wing general in the 1988 election.

America elects a cuck over a Nazi.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: heatcharger on October 29, 2016, 10:45:32 AM
How do you get this thing to work? I typed "START" after the box saying something about a manual, but it just loops back to the beginning every time.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Metalhead123 on October 29, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
1980 election of Biden vs Reagan vs Anderson with unemployment and inflation set to 25% and the US in a state of war. (
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on November 02, 2016, 03:32:33 PM
Interesting!


Sure would love to play a version with updated graphics though...

There is a similar game called the political machine, and they have versions for 2004, 2008, 2012, and 2016. Also try President Forever 2008 + Primaries, President Forever 2012, and President Infinity (2016)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: BL53931 on November 11, 2016, 11:32:48 AM
I can't get this thing to run. Using a laptop with windows 10. Just freezes up.
Thanks anyway.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: RC (a la Frémont) on November 11, 2016, 09:34:31 PM
Didn't actually use this game for my simulation, instead I used Political Machine 2016. I'm just going to post this here because I don't know where else I could put it.
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Fmr. Gov. Jeb Bush (R-FL)/Gov. John Kasich (R-OH): 457 Ev's, 84,564,000 Pv's (56.4%)
Mr. Donald Trump (D/Reform-NY)/Sen. Tim Kaine (D-VA): 84 Ev's, 66,758,000 Pv's (43.6%)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on November 11, 2016, 10:14:50 PM
Maybe random maps or the PF thread. If those don't fit the bill, maybe you should make your own thread.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: AGA on November 14, 2016, 01:36:30 PM
I played as Reagan in 1980 with historical circumstances and focused on winning DC. These were the results. DC was won 49-36-14.

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Anderson: 0 EVs, 10% PV
Carter: 107 EVs, 42% PV
Reagan: 431 EVs, 47% PV



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: JVLaB on December 12, 2016, 08:30:13 PM
so here's the "SECRET" candidates I've found that game recognized but are NOT on sheet below.

Bill Clinton (D-AR) - 1988 Dem conv keynote bomber
Pat Schroeder (D-CO)
Oliver North (R-VA)

ANY other SECRET candidates anybody find?



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: BSH on December 13, 2016, 10:18:31 PM
To The Stars... But Not the White House (1976)
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Gerald Ford/Bob Dole - 53%, 424
John Glenn/Joe Biden - 47%, 114

Reagan Revolution (1980)

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Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush - 49%, 364
Ted Kennedy/Gary Hart - 46%, 174
John Anderson/Patrick Lucey - 5%, 0



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: BSH on December 13, 2016, 10:57:04 PM
CHISHOLM WINS?

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Shirley Chisholm (NY)/Jesse Jackson (SC) - 42%, 473EV
George Wallace (AL)/Curtis LeMay (OH) - 29%, 65EV
Barry Goldwater (AZ)/Jesse Helms (NC) - 28%, 0EV

Lets just assume ol' George wasn't shot.
Settings:
Goldwater is Incumbent
Inflation: 25%
Unemployment: 25%
War (enthusiasm: 1)



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on December 13, 2016, 11:18:26 PM
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So I tried to play as Mario Cuomo in 1988...it was pretty ugly.



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Dancing with Myself on December 17, 2016, 11:25:50 PM
Guys here's some tips for those who have a hard time starting the game:


1. Get DOSBox as it's a simulator for DOS games it cannot run on modern windows.

2. I put the folder of PE 1988 into Dosbox's root folder and I just move it over to the DosBox logo and it starts up.

3. When it starts type start in; the game starts up.

4. Type 1 if you want to do a game of you're running or watch a sim but have control over time length between turns.  Type 4 if you want to see a Demo.

5.Type 0 for the colors like on Atlas.

6. Press Enter. This is important as it allows you to bypass the code screen. If you type in any code you're screwed pretty much. The game (at least when I play,) bypasses it by pressing enter and you're on the election choosing screen.


Enjoy!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on December 19, 2016, 04:02:44 AM
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Pres. Gerald R. Ford/Vice Pres. Nelson Rockefeller-51%; 352
Gov. Jimmy Carter/Sen. Walter Mondale-49%; 186

It was close until about halfway through. Around turn 6 or so, Ford made a massive move on the South.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on January 11, 2017, 10:00:30 PM
First Nixon win out of 30 tries.

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Nixon narrowly lead in the end.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on January 14, 2017, 10:49:17 AM
1960:

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Hubert Humphrey/Lyndon Johnson 134 EVs, 47%
Richard Nixon/Gordon Allott 403 EVs, 52%

Nixon won with the calling of New York at 10:48 PM, but it was obvious long before that.

1964:

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John Kennedy/Stu Symington 135 EVs, 46%
Richard Nixon/Gordon Allott 393 EVs, 51%
George Wallace/Somebody Somebody 10 EVs, 3%

It took until 11:23 PM this time, and Pennsylvania was what pushed Nixon over.


1968:

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Ed Muskie/George Smathers 481 EVs, 48%
Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney 47 EVs, 40%
George Wallace/Somebody Somebody 10 EVs, 11%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 14, 2017, 07:21:50 PM
1960:

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Hubert Humphrey/Lyndon Johnson 134 EVs, 47%
Richard Nixon/Gordon Allott 403 EVs, 52%

Nixon won with the calling of New York at 10:48 PM, but it was obvious long before that.

1964:

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John Kennedy/Stu Symington 135 EVs, 46%
Richard Nixon/Gordon Allott 393 EVs, 51%
George Wallace/Somebody Somebody 10 EVs, 3%

It took until 11:23 PM this time, and Pennsylvania was what pushed Nixon over.


1968:

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Ed Muskie/George Smathers 481 EVs, 48%
Nelson Rockefeller/George Romney 47 EVs, 40%
George Wallace/Somebody Somebody 10 EVs, 11%

So in this world, the Nixon presidency developed worse than Kennedy and Johnson in re: Vietnam? I can only imagine such a Muskie landslide in 1968 would be a sh**tshow in Vietnam.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 14, 2017, 09:30:11 PM
1968
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Senator Robert Francis Kennedy of New York/Ralph Webster Yarborough of Texas: 480 EV, 35,891,396 PV, 53%
Vice President Richard Milhous Nixon of California/Governor Spiro Agnew of Maryland: 48 EV, 28,584,880 PV, 42%
Governor George Wallace of Alabama/Governor Lester Maddox of Mississippi: 10 EV, 2,708,775 PV, 4%

Called at 9:57 PM with Florida, just minutes after Nixon won his first state (Nebraska). It was really close until about week five, and then Kennedy just pulled away. It wasn't even close by the end of the campaign, as we can see here.

1972
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President Robert Francis Kennedy of New York/Vice President Ralph Webster Yarborough of Texas: 538 EV, 44,393,528 PV, 58%
Governor Nelson Rockefeller of New York/Senator Margaret Chase Smith of Maine: 0 EV 32,555,400 42%

Called at 9:38, and the real question entering the night was whether Rockefeller would win a state. You can see the result.

1976
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Governor Ronald Reagan of California/Representative John Ashbrook of Ohio: 335 EV, 42,082,436 PV, 51%
Vice President Ralph Webster Yarborough of Texas/Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota: 203 EV, 40,123,196 PV, 49%

Yarborough collapsed down the stretch. He had a large-ish lead that evaporated every week. It was still really close. The race was called at 11:39 with Reagan the "apparent winner" of Connecticut, despite having less than a 1,000 vote lead there. It was confirmed just before midnight.

1980
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Senator Edmund S. Muskie of Maine/Governor Jimmy Carter of Georgia: 319 EV, 44,403,864 PV, 52%
President Ronald Reagan of California/Vice President John Ashbrook of Ohio: 219 EV, 41,206,436 PV, 48%

At 10:09 PM, the networks called New Jersey for Senator Muskie, handing him the presidency. Muskie started with a huge lead that got closer as time went on. Fortunately for him, and unfortunately for Reagan, he had enough legs to finish the job, unlike Ralph Yarborough. In retrospect, it was closer than it should've been.

1984
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President Edmund S. Muskie of Maine/Vice President Jimmy Carter of Georgia: 482 EV, 51,609,676 PV, 56%
Senator Mark O. Hatfield of Oregon/Senator John Chafee of Rhode Island 56 EV, 39,717,168 PV, 43%

Iowa was called at 9:27, and with it the election, before Senator Hatfield even won a state. It was an all-out domination. Clearly, the moderate strategy by the Republican Party didn't work.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on January 21, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
After narrowly defeating Jimmy Carter in 1976, President Gerald Ford opts to run for a second full term in the White House, giving him the potential to become the second-longest serving president behind only FDR. However, amidst sinking domestic and foreign conditions by 1980 (identical to those that would have occurred if Carter had won), Ford is unexpectedly defeated by Jesse Helms in the Republican primary. Undeterred, the incumbent president chooses to run as an independent candidate in the general election. Meanwhile, the polarizing Shirley Chisholm proves to be victorious on the Democratic side, leading to one of the most hotly contested presidential elections in American history.

Trial 1:

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Shirley Chisholm/Jerry Brown (D) - 341 Electoral Votes; 35.2% of the Popular Vote
Jesse Helms/George Wallace (R) - 197 Electoral Votes; 35.4% of the Popular Vote
Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller (I) - 0 Electoral Votes; 29.4% of the Popular Vote

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Shirley Chisholm/Jerry Brown (D) - 380 Electoral Votes; 39.5% of the Popular Vote
Gerald Ford/Nelson Rockefeller (I) - 127 Electoral Votes; 30.1% of the Popular Vote
Jesse Helms/George Wallace (R) - 31 Electoral Votes; 30.4% of the Popular Vote


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on January 21, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
Chisholm-Weicker-Wallace Under 1968 Conditions:

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on January 21, 2017, 10:34:20 PM
I copied Dar's scenario to see if it was a fluke...It wasn't.

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Lowell Weicker (R-CT)-19,559,950/32%/238
Shirley Chisholm (D-NY)-20,120,214/33%/155
George C. Wallace (AI-AL)-20,865,376/34%/145

According to the game, Chisholm wins. So you have George Wallace with the most actual votes, Weicker with the most electoral votes, and Chisholm with the most congressional votes. So..Basically Civil War.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on January 21, 2017, 10:42:10 PM
^I like that map a lot better. The popular vote split is near-perfect and all three candidates win at least ten states, not to mention the overall aesthetic.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: LLR on January 22, 2017, 10:28:48 AM
Ran an interesting election in 1976

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LLR/Southern Gothic 68 EVs, 36%
Gerald Ford/Bob Dole 470 EVs, 44%
Leinad/Ted Bessell 0 EVs, 19%

Leinad was initially favored in Georgia, but it returned to a tossup by Election Day.

By 9:00, Ford had a significant PV lead and had won many key states. It was looking like LLR's coalition would have to be significantly more Western than the typical Democratic one for him to have any chance.

At 9:49, Ford hit 200 EVs while LLR was stuck with 21. Just four minutes later, Texas pushed Ford to 270. LLR and SG cried a lot that night.

Leinad's Best States
Georgia 37%, 2nd place
DC 30%, 2nd place
Arkansas 25%
Louisiana 24%
North Carolina 24%
Texas 24%
Virginia 24%
California 24%

Leinad's Worst States
Utah 10%
Idaho 11%
Nebraska 11%
Kansas 12%
Arizona 12%
Oklahoma 12%
Wyoming 12%

The irony being that this is probably a reverse of Johnson's performance in 2016



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: / on January 22, 2017, 01:59:32 PM
This scenario is my favorite by far.

In 1968, Robert F. Kennedy narrowly escapes assassination during a Democratic Party event when Senator B. Everett Jordan of North Carolina is mistaken for him and killed instead. Kennedy goes on to defeat Nixon and Wallace in the general election, but becomes unpopular soon after taking office due to failing to keep the promises he made to his liberal base. Anger among conservatives allows Senator Jesse Helms (who won a special election to replace B . Everett Jordan in 1968) to win the Republican primary in 1972 and defeat Kennedy in November. However, Helms soon becomes unpopular himself, and by 1976, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party manages to score a victory with the election of Geraldine Ferraro as the first female president.

By the time 1980 rolls around, many view Ferraro as too liberal, and moderate Democrats draft Robert Kennedy to challenge her in the primary. Ferraro defeats Kennedy in the primary, so he instead decides to mount a centrist independent bid for the presidency. Meanwhile, former President Jesse Helms wins the Republican nomination, leading to the first presidential election featuring three former, current, or future presidents since 1912. The results are as follows:

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Geraldine Ferraro - 160 Electoral Votes; 33% of the Popular Vote
Jesse Helms - 229 Electoral Votes; 33% of the Popular Vote
Robert Kennedy - 149 Electoral Votes; 33% of the Popular Vote

The House of Representatives chooses to seat Ferraro in a contingent election due to being under Democratic control. Ferraro's victory comes despite winning third place in the popular vote, with Kennedy coming in first and Helms coming in second. Here are the results screens:

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Interesting election, to say the least.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on January 22, 2017, 06:20:26 PM
This was fun. 1980, President Dole, foreign/domestic conditions same.
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President Bob Dole (R-KS) / VP R-MI - 276/28044686/35.84%
Governor Michael Dukakis (D-MA) / D-VA - 262/29159134/37.27%
Congressman John Anderson (I-IL) / I-WI - 21037688/26.89%
Anderson's best states (30%+, 2nd place in bold):
D.C. (35%)
Massachusetts (33%)
Rhode Island (32%)
Illinois (31%)
Maryland (30%)
New York (30%)
Wisconsin (30%)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 22, 2017, 06:23:19 PM
I let the computer sim 1968. No candidate received an EC majority. The House elected Humphrey.

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Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey (MN)/Senator Edmund S. Muskie (ME): 255 EV, 28,212,016 PV, 45%
Vice President Richard M. Nixon (NY)/Governor Spiro Agnew (MD): 244 EV, 27,132,748 PV, 44%
Governor George Wallace (AL)/General Curtis LeMay (CA): 39 EV, 6,762,728 PV, 11%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️ on January 22, 2017, 10:19:23 PM
1968: Carolina In My Mind
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Peebs (D-NC) / Spenstar (D-NY) - 521/36189180/55.57%
Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) / Potus (R-WV) - 17/26808016/41.16%
Santander (AI-NY) / Southern Gothic (AI-LA) - 2127316/3.27%
In January 1968, expected to announce a bid for the U.S. Senate, young upstart and Governor Peebs announced that she would be running for President. A Southern liberal and underdog, she won through a contested convention. Congressman Santander, who was born in America ITTL, declaring Peebs a communist and Rockefeller a moderate liberal, runs on a True Conservative™ platform. Governor Peebs had begun the election with a lead, and was elected the 37th, youngest, and first female President a landslide, winning at 9:18 PM with South Carolina.
1972: The Lesser of Two Evils
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President Peebs (D-NC) / VP Spenstar (D-NY) - 530/43652892/59.33%
Santander (R-NY) / Classic (R-MA) - 8/29925106/40.66%
Former Congressman Santander, fresh off his run on the AIP ticket, declared President Peebs a communist, joined the Republican Party in protest, and somehow won their nomination in 1972. He drew eyes at the debate by calling for Russian annexation of America and refusing to disavow the endorsement of the KKK. However, he didn't draw any votes from it, spelling his doom in the general. Illinois brought Peebs over the edge at 9 PM. Oklahoma was within 5,000 votes.
Reporter: Madam President, what did you really want Santa to bring you for Christmas?
Peebs: Well, Oklahoma would have been nice.
1976: Lyin' Ted, Doomed to Fail
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Senator Bob Dole (R-KS) / Congressman Gerald Ford (R-MI) - 444/42268380/53.15%
Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) / Senator LLR (D-NY) - 94/37259992/46.85%
President Peebs's approval ratings were in the pits. In 1973, a private dick found that she had hers removed in 1955, and in 1974, she was caught taking part in a torrid lesbian affair.* Frontrunner for the Democratic nomination, VP Spenstar's severe bout of pneumonia in 1975 and subsequent announcement to not run for president the following year effectively killed the Democratic Party's chances in the 1976 election. Although by Election Night, Dole's nine-point lead had dwindled to a five-point lead, at 11:17 PM, Ohio and the election were called for Dole.
*I needed a Watergate. :P
1980: The Return
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Spenstar (D-NY) / NeverAgain (D-VA) - 330/35535520/42.77%
President Bob Dole (R-KS) / VP Gerald Ford (R-MI) - 208/33117768/39.86%
John Anderson (I-IL) / Patrick Lucey (I-WI) - 14431515/17.37%
The Presidency of Bob Dole went about as well as that of OTL's Carter. Senator Jesse Helms launched a serious primary campaign against Dole, to, in the end, no avail. With sinking approval ratings, Dole felt as if he were doomed to fail... and despite the tightening race, he was right. Spenstar was successfully able to distance himself from ex-President Peebs's scandal while highlighting the success of her Presidency. At 12:01 AM, Missouri and the election were called for Spenstar, making him the 40th and first Jewish President.
1984: Avenge Me, Jerry... Not
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Spenstar (D-NY) / NeverAgain (D-VA) - 528/54062208/59.88%
Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Marjorie Holt (R-MD) - 10/36228736/40.12%
With a highly successful Presidency for Spenstar, former VP Gerald Ford was drafted a sacrificial lamb, with Congresswoman Marjorie Holt as his running mate. A sacrificial lamb indeed - at 9 PM, Alabama and the election were called for President Spenstar, marking the fourth Democratic landslide, and fifth Democratic victory in six elections.
1988: A New Beginning
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Governor Mario Cuomo (D-NY) / Governor Bill Clinton (D-AR)
Senator Paul Laxalt (R-NV) / Senator Dan Quayle (R-IN)
With inflation and unemployment both at 5.5%, a break-even economy, and a war inherited by Dole being evenly popular and unpopular, Cuomo won in a landslide, when at 9:57 PM, Cuomo was elected the 41st President by Tennessee. With Super Mario Land on the way, and being released in August, children everywhere approved of President Mario, and sent letters to VP Clinton to change his name to Luigi Cuomo.
1969-1977: Governor Peebs (1965-1969) (D-NC) / Senator Spenstar (1957-1969) (D-NY)
1977-1981: Senator Bob Dole (1969-1976) (R-KS) / Speaker Gerald Ford (1975-1977)* (R-MI)
1981-1989: Senator Spenstar (1977-1981) (D-NY) / Governor NeverAgain (1978-1981) (D-VA)
1989-19??: Governor Mario Cuomo (1983-1989) (D-NY) / Governor Bill Clinton (1983-1989) (D-AR)
*Elected speaker following GOP backlash in response to Peebs's sex scandal and sex change scandal in 1974.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on January 30, 2017, 11:40:09 PM
1960

John F. Kennedy had survived the Lee Harvey Oswald's attack. Now, presiding over a strong economy and foreign policy, with high approval ratings against a radical opponent, he was prepared to win again and carry the country forward.

He maintained a huge lead over Barry Goldwater during the campaign and was declared the winner as soon as the polls closed in the Central Time Zone. Goldwater narrowly lost SC, LA and his home state of AZ.

President John F. Kennedy (MA)/Vice President Lyndon B. Johnson (TX): 521 EV, 37,639,536 PV, 61%

Senator Barry Goldwater (AZ)/Representative William E. Miller (NY): 17 EV, 23,771,220 PV, 39%

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1968

After 8 successful years as President, John F. Kennedy was ready to hand off the Democratic Party to his chosen successor, Stu Symington. LBJ ran a tough primary campaign, however, and the left of the party rallied around Hubert Humphrey. Eventually, Mo Udall was put forth as a compromise candidate, with Humphrey as the running mate. Thus, Udall became the first Mormon presidential candidate.

The Republicans, scorned by the right in 1964, rallied around Nelson Rockefeller. To appease the right-wing, Rockefeller picked his philosophical enemy but right-wing darling Ronald Reagan as his running mate.

George Wallace mounted a third party campaign.

Udall entered the campaign the favorite, though not by a large margin. Rockefeller was unable to get any headway in the race. With Arkansas, at 11:02 PM, Mo Udall became the President-elect. Udall's margin of victory in South Dakota was 40 votes.

The Republicans again failed to reach 100 electoral college votes, a dry streak that the party vowed to turn around in 1972.

Senator Morris "Mo" Udall (AZ)/Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (MN): 423 EV, 30,682,596 PV, 49%

Governor Nelson Rockefeller (NY)/Governor Ronald Reagan (CA): 98 EV, 26,666,216 PV, 43%

Governor George Wallace (AL)/General Curtis LeMay (CA): 17 EV, 4,709,705 PV, 7%

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1972

With the war in Vietnam ended, President Udall faced high approval ratings. Unfortunately, inflation and unemployment were both rising. Richard Nixon came back from the political wilderness, and mounted a successful primary campaign against Reagan, Howard Baker and Jacob Javits, representing the liberal wing of the party. Nixon's running mate was Hawaii Senator Hiram Fong, becoming the first racial minority to be nominated for president or vice president.

Udall started the campaign with a 9-point lead, but the economy weakened over the course of the campaign. A handful of gaffes and communist advancement in Laos further pushed down the president's poll numbers. A terrible debate performance in the final week turned the race into a tossup with Udall only a slight favorite.

At 1:53 AM, Richard Nixon was declared the winner of California, and of the election. The Republican Party was back. Even the Mormon stronghold of Utah went GOP.

Former Vice President Richard M. Nixon (CA)/Senator Hiram Fong (HI): 276 EV, 37,451,480 PV, 51%

President Morris "Mo" Udall (AZ)/Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey (MN): 262 EV, 36,320,712 PV, 49%

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1976

President Nixon, facing a renewed war in Southeast Asia and an economy still lagging, faced a tough reelection. Former Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey, the initial favorite of the Democratic Party, pulled out for health reasons. The race came down to Scoop Jackson of Washington, Jimmy Carter of Georgia and Edmund Muskie of Maine. Muskie won at the convention after former Presidents Kennedy and Udall gave endorsements. Carter was chosen as VP.

Muskie started the campaign with a narrow lead due to the economy and the War in Laos. He largely maintained that lead, but it was well within the margin of error and many states were considered tossups heading into election night. A good economic forecast and a debate win for Nixon further muddied the waters.

Again, California decided the election for Nixon. Muskie, however, won the popular vote. At least that's how it was called on election night. Virginia was subjected to a recount. The recount, initially stayed, was appealed to the Supreme Court. Muskie v. Nixon was decided 5-4 on party lines in favor of Senator Muskie. The recount went on, and it revealed Senator Muskie won the state by 1,800 votes. Nixon conceded the election in mid-December.

(NOTE: The game originally called Virginia for Nixon with 95% of the vote in. California was called soon afterward, and so was the election. After all the votes were counted, Muskie emerged with a slight lead in Virginia, and thus, the election.)

Senator Edmund S. Muskie (ME)/Governor James "Jimmy" Carter (GA): 277 EV, 41,780,392 PV, 50%

President Richard M. Nixon (CA)/Vice President Hiram Fong (HI): 261 EV, 40,785,460 PV, 49%

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1980:

President Muskie ended the War in Laos, only to have the Iran Hostage Crisis follow. Muskie, however, negotiated the release of the hostages in exchange for returning the Shah. Conservatives in both parties were outraged, but Muskie felt it was the only peaceable solution to the crisis. The Shah "mysteriously" died on the flight back to Iran.

The Republican nomination was a three-way battle between Reagan, looking to finally get his chance to win the nomination, Fong, the favorite of the liberal wing, and George Bush, favorite of the more moderate wing. Reagan very narrowly won the nomination, and chose George Bush as his running mate.

John Anderson entered as a centrist candidate.

Muskie started out with a solid lead, and it kept throughout the campaign. Muskie was declared the winner at 10:40 PM with Kentucky. No recount was needed. He surprisingly flipped Kansas and Oklahoma, while seeing the GOP flip back South Dakota, Montana, North Carolina and, funnily enough, Virginia.

President Edmund S. Muskie (ME)/Vice President James "Jimmy" Carter (GA): 358 EV, 43,965,920 PV, 51%

Former Governor Ronald Reagan (CA)/Former CIA Director George Bush (TX): 180 EV, 40,291,688 PV, 47%

Representative John Anderson (IL)/Former Governor Patrick Lucey (WI): 0 EV, 2,051,679 PV, 2%

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1984:

After two successful terms of Ed Muskie, the Democratic Party's presidential primaries were filled with potential presidents, each looking to advantage of the good economy and world stability. Senator Robert F. Kennedy, however, stood head and shoulders above the rest. Kennedy chose John Glenn as his running mate.

George Bush won the nomination for the Republicans. To appease the right, he chose Jesse Helms as his running mate.

Kennedy had a large lead for the entirety campaign, but his final margin overshot his polling averages.

Senator Robert F. Kennedy (NY)/Senator John Glenn (OH): 485 EV, 53,495,720 PV, 56%

Former CIA Director George Bush (TX)/Senator Jesse Helms (NC): 53 EV, 41,002,788 PV, 44%

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on March 31, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
Are recounts possible in this game? It gave Illinois to Kennedy in one of my simulations, but when I pressed "f" to skip through the rest since it was basically over, it said that Nixon had won it (Illinois).


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 01, 2017, 12:22:43 PM
Are recounts possible in this game? It gave Illinois to Kennedy in one of my simulations, but when I pressed "f" to skip through the rest since it was basically over, it said that Nixon had won it (Illinois).
Yes, sort of. If it's super close the game calls a "winner" when 95% of precincts report. But States can still flip in the 5% of remaining precincts.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on April 01, 2017, 02:30:31 PM
Are recounts possible in this game? It gave Illinois to Kennedy in one of my simulations, but when I pressed "f" to skip through the rest since it was basically over, it said that Nixon had won it (Illinois).
Yes, sort of. If it's super close the game calls a "winner" when 95% of precincts report. But States can still flip in the 5% of remaining precincts.

Ah, that explains it. I did think that it was strange that the game would call a state like Illinois with less than a 2,000 vote margin.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on April 01, 2017, 03:05:13 PM
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Vietnam is popular (set at 7), and the economy is better.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on April 01, 2017, 04:00:56 PM
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Same scenario as above, except Johnson won the nomination.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on April 03, 2017, 02:53:04 PM
1960

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Richard M. Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge-288/31,289,858/50%
John F. Kennedy/Lyndon B. Johnson-249/31,063,648/50%



Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Jaguar4life on April 07, 2017, 07:03:23 PM
I uhh just made a game that is like this


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Jaguar4life on April 07, 2017, 07:04:38 PM
https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=262066.msg5600635#new


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: diptheriadan on April 07, 2017, 08:06:58 PM
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Electoral Vote
Fmr Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA)/Sen. Walter Mondale (MN)-291
Fmr Gov. Ronald Reagan (CA)/Sen. Richard Schweiker (PA)-247

Margin- Carter/Mondale +44

Popular Vote
Fmr Gov. Ronald Reagan (CA)/Sen. Richard Schweiker (PA)-41,243,748
Fmr Gov. Jimmy Carter (GA)/Sen. Walter Mondale (MN)-41,240,216

Margin- Reagan/Schweiker +3,532


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Oppo on April 08, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
I uhh just made a game that is like this
No, you didn't. This is an old DOS game that allows elections from 1960-1988 to be simulated.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: thumb21 on April 30, 2017, 04:11:15 AM
I decided to try 1980, same circumstances as IRL but with Gerald Ford as a third party candidate.

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Results:
Jimmy Carter - 295 - 41,474,800 (47%)
Ronald Reagan - 243 - 41,193,080 (47%)
Gerald Ford - 0 - 4,526,828 (5%)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: thumb21 on April 30, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
1972, Mc Govern vs Goldwater

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CandidatesVotes (Numbers)(Percentages)Electoral VotesWinner
George McGovern31,508,79249%288Yes
Barry Goldwater32,769,60651%250No


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Kamala on April 30, 2017, 03:37:40 PM
An entirely random and completely impossible 1968 scenario in which a 21-year old Henry Cisneros defeats a 35-year old Republican Mike Dukakis and George Wallace. This was simmed by the computer.

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College student and future Mayor of San Antonio Henry G. Cisneros (TX) / Sen. Albert A. Gore Sr. (TN) 379 (50% PV)  
Massachusetts General Court Representative Michael S. Dukakis (MA) /Sen. John J. Williams (DE) 149 (45%)
Gov. George C. Wallace Jr. (AL) / Fmr. Rep. Perkins Bass (NH)


Also: a scenario of Chisholm, Helms, Wallace.
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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: UnselfconsciousTeff on February 05, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
i know this is an old thread but i love this game so much

Im new here so i dont how to make a map

I call this the "Duel of the Nutheads"

Political Activist Lyndon Hermyle LaRouche Jr (D) /Reverend James Luther Bevel (D) 411 EV'S/61 Million votes

Lieutenant Colonel James Gordon  Gritz/Cy Minett (R) 127 EV'S/55  Million votes 


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on February 05, 2018, 05:17:46 PM
I remember trying to self-destroy a Reagan candidacy in 1984 in this app, and ended up winning every state except Massachusetts.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Pyro on February 06, 2018, 12:58:54 PM
Concocted a nail-biter scenario, apparently.
President Ford upset by Governor Reagan at the '76 nominating contest.
Governor Carter does not run, Sen. Ted Kennedy does and wins the nomination.

Exceptionally close race, although Reagan's PV count steadily rose as the votes came in.
Everything came down to California, which very narrowly tilted to Reagan (3,986,067 to 3,974,597).

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Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Sen. Richard Schweiker (R/PA): 285 EV / 51% PV
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)/Sen. Henry M. Jackson (D-WA): 253 EV / 49% PV




Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: WestVegeta on February 06, 2018, 01:56:14 PM
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1988
Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AK)/Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL)
Fmr. Sec. Alexander Haig (R-PA)/Rep. Donald Rumsfeld (R-IL)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Devout Centrist on February 06, 2018, 03:09:54 PM
Concocted a nail-biter scenario, apparently.
President Ford upset by Governor Reagan at the '76 nominating contest.
Governor Carter does not run, Sen. Ted Kennedy does and wins the nomination.

Exceptionally close race, although Reagan's PV count steadily rose as the votes came in.
Everything came down to California, which very narrowly tilted to Reagan (3,986,067 to 3,974,597).

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Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)/Sen. Richard Schweiker (R/PA): 285 EV / 51% PV
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)/Sen. Henry M. Jackson (D-WA): 253 EV / 49% PV



It's possible for individual state projections to be incorrect. It happens every five simulations or so. Oddly enough, I've had elections flip in the final results screen hours after the state was called.

One time, I had Carter vs Ford come down to Ohio. Carter won it initially, but when I looked at the final results page, Ford was the winner of the election and Ohio had flipped.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on February 06, 2018, 04:44:19 PM
AI vs AI vs AI

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Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: CookieDamage on February 07, 2018, 12:20:20 AM
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Pres. Shirley Chisholm(D-NY)/Vice Pres. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) - 314 EVs - 49.16%

Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/Sen. Strom Thurmond - 224 EVs - 49.40%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Cold War Liberal on February 07, 2018, 10:29:32 AM
1988
How it Should Have Been


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Gov. Mario Cuomo (D-NY)/Gov. Bill Clinton (D-AR): 48,034,804, 50%, 302 EVs
Vice Pres. George H. W. Bush (R-TX)/Sen. Dan Quayle (R-IN): 47,431,492, 50%, 236 EVs

The entire election hinged on California, which wasn't called for Cuomo until 4:14 AM. Cuomo only won the state by 110,000 votes (51%-49%).


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on February 07, 2018, 10:40:07 AM
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AI vs AI 1984!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on February 07, 2018, 11:06:02 AM
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AI vs AI 1976!


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong on February 08, 2018, 12:08:36 PM
1968
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Eugene McCarthy
294 electors
29,224,244 votes (46%)


Nelson Rockefeller
244 electors
28,869,502 votes (45%)

Ronald Reagan
0 electors
5,498,177 votes (8%)

New Mexico, 4 electors (closest state)
134,516 (47%)
134,067 (47%)
16,811 (6%)

Pennsylvania, 29 electors (tipping point)
1,903,046 (47%)
1,879,354 (47%)
237,024 (6%)


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Cold War Liberal on February 10, 2018, 05:37:50 PM
1976


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President Ed Muskie (D-ME): 33,978,376, 45%, 294 EVs
Former Vice President Barry Goldwater (R-AZ): 34,631,224, 46%, 244 EVs
Congressman Gerald Ford (I/R-MI): 6,550,658, 9%, 0 EVs

Ford runs as a moderate in opposition to Goldwater, though about 30% of his support comes from Democrats.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: CookieDamage on March 19, 2018, 02:57:37 AM
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AI vs AI vs AI

Phillip Johnson - Mainstream Liberal with Social Democratic Tendencies - 275 EVs but lost the popular vote 48%

Fred Jones - Right-Wing Conservative - 263 EVs but won the popular vote 49%

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Wilfredo Gomez - Total Socialist and Social Leftist - 335 EVs - 51%

Paris Carter - Total Nationalist Conservative - 203 EVs - 47%

Tim Janet - Moderate Independent - 0 EVs - 1% EV and 13% of DC vote


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: Cold War Liberal on April 03, 2018, 03:33:00 PM
AI match-ups

1960


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Vice President Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY): 31,043,656, 49%, 279 Electoral Votes

Senator John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): 31,588,060, 50%, 258 Electoral Votes


1964


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President Richard M. Nixon (R-CA)/Vice President Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY): 30,486,456, 51%, 329 Electoral Votes

Senator Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN)/Senator Wayne Morse (D-OR): 29,403,616, 49%, 209 Electoral Votes


1968


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Senator Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/Senator George S. McGovern (D-SD): 37,631,084, 57%, 518 Electoral Votes

Vice President Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY)/Governor George Romney (R-MI): 28,376,630, 43%, 20 Electoral Votes


1972


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President Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)/Vice President George S. McGovern (D-SD): 46,715,564, 65%, 538 Electoral Votes

Senator Barry M. Goldwater (R-AZ)/Senator John Tower (R-TX): 25,076,880, 35%, 0 Electoral Votes


1976


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President George S. McGovern (D-SD)/Governor Jimmy Carter (D-GA): 30,341,986, 43%, 424 Electoral Votes

Senator Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Congressman Pete du Pont (R-DE): 26,411,292, 38%, 105 Electoral Votes

Former Governor George Wallace (I-AL)/[various]: 12,022,662, 18%, 9 Electoral Votes


1980


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Senator Bob Dole (R-KS)/Governor George Bush (R-TX): 40,212,196, 53%, 446 Electoral Votes

President George S. McGovern (D-SD)/Vice President Jimmy Carter (D-GA): 35,385,544, 47%, 92 Electoral Votes


1984


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Senator John Glenn (D-OH)/Senator Gary Hart (D-CO): 44,697,280, 52%, 351 Electoral Votes

President Bob Dole (R-KS)/Vice President George H. W. Bush (R-TX): 40,907,820, 48%, 187 Electoral Votes


1988


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President John Glenn (D-OH)/Vice President Gary Hart (D-CO): 49,882,788, 56%, 510 Electoral Votes

Governor George Deukmejian (R-CA)/Senator J. Danforth Quayle (R-IN): 38,526,152, 43%, 28 Electoral Votes


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 05, 2018, 06:01:14 PM
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Senator Robert F. Kennedy (D-NY)/Senator Birch Bayh (D-IN) - 403 EV, 34,057,220, 50%
Fmr. Vice President Richard M. Nixon (R-NY)/Governor Spiro Agnew (R-MD) - 125 EV, 29,390,346, 43%
Fmr. Governor George Wallace (AI-AL)/General Curtis LeMay (AI-CA) - 10 EV, 4,085,267, 6%


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: wxtransit on April 07, 2018, 09:46:34 PM
Dukakis is the incumbent after an upset win over Reagan (lol) in 1984.

Dukakis starts a war which is World War I in Russia-level popular.

18% unemployment.

Recession.

Hilarity ensues.

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Pat Buchanan (R-DC) - 399 EVs - 31,877,984 votes - 38% PV
Ronald Reagan (I-CA) - 125 EVs - 28,228,972 votes - 34% PV
Michael Dukakis (D-MA) (inc.) - 14 EVs - 22,741,890 votes - 27% PV

I should probably also mention Reagan's VP is from Texas, which explains the larger PV win there.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: wxtransit on April 09, 2018, 11:09:08 PM
1960

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Kennedy/Johnson (Democratic) - 293 EVs - 49% PV
Rockefeller/Nixon (Republican) - 244 EVs - 47% PV
Byrd/Thurmond (States' Rights) - 0 EVs - 3% PV

Rockefeller upsets the nomination and chooses Nixon as his running mate, the Democratic primary goes as OTL, and Byrd runs in the general. California decided the election, voting for Kennedy by 1%.


1964

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Kennedy/Johnson (Democratic) - 345 EVs - 53% PV
Nixon/Goldwater (Republican) - 193 EVs - 47% PV

Kennedy survives the assassination attempt in Dallas, boosting his popularity. Nixon gives it one final (unsuccessful) go at the presidency. Kennedy's popularity makes the contest not particularly close.


1968

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Johnson/Kennedy (Democratic) - 521 EVs - 55% PV
Reagan/Agnew (Republican) - 17 EVs - 43% PV
Wallace/LeMay (American Independent) - 0 EVs -1% PV

Johnson runs for a term in his own right, choosing Robert F. Kennedy as his running mate. Governor of California Ronald Reagan won the Republican nomination, choosing Spiro Agnew as his running mate. A coronation of Johnson ensues.


1972

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Johnson/Kennedy (Democratic) - 538 EVs ??? - 64% PV
Ford/Bush (Republican) - 0 EVs - 36% PV

Ouch.


1976

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Reagan/Dole (Republican) - 505 EVs - 53% PV
Kennedy/Carter (Democratic) - 33 EVs - 47% PV

Robert F. Kennedy ascends to the Presidency after Johnson died in office; however, Kennedy makes controversial moves in office, such as returning the Panama Canal to Panama. Kennedy's approvals drop as a result, and Reagan, running in an improbable final hail-Mary for the Presidency, remains very popular with the public even after his 1968 landslide defeat. A close contest ensues, but in the end, America wanted change after Democrats had 16 years in office.


1980

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Reagan/Dole (Republican) - 535 EVs - 62% PV
Mondale/Kennedy (Democratic) - 3 EVs - 38% PV

Mondale, in an effort to win, invokes the Kennedys yet again in the form of Ted Kennedy. Reagan remains quite popular with Americans. A coronation ensues, with Mondale only winning DC.


1984

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Perot/Anderson (Independent/American Reform) - 517 EVs - 43% PV
Dole/Kemp (Republican) - 21 EVs - 25% PV
Dukakis/Bentsen - 0 EVs - 32% PV

After an uninspiring campaign and many gaffes from both Dole and Dukakis, including multiple high-level scandals, the Perot independent bid gains traction (Perot enters politics earlier). After a particularly high-level scandal involving both the Dole and Dukakis campaigns sabotaging the Perot campaign Watergate-style, Perot wins in a landslide from an American public tired of the two-party system.

All matchups are AI vs. AI.


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: UnselfconsciousTeff on July 11, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
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Nixon/Lodge 398 EV's
Thurmond/Barnett 133'EV'S
Kennedy/Johnson 0'EVS


Title: Re: President Elect - 1988 Edition now available online
Post by: 538Electoral on March 18, 2020, 03:34:20 AM
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