Talk Elections

Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion => Congressional Elections => Topic started by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 07:32:12 AM



Title: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 07:32:12 AM
One thing that always struck me when I redistricted all of the US way back was that I just plain didn't like my seats to be this large.
So...I've started to redistrict the US into seats about the size of British or French constituencies (or for the state House of Hessen)...roughly 100,000 inhabitants.
Obviously this would make for an impractically large House of Reps, so don't tell me that. I already know. :)

Okay, some rules:
1. Each state is apportioned a number of seats based on its population divided by 100,000, rounded up or down. This number will not be deviated from under any circumstances. No seat will straddle two states under any circumstances.
2. This is then distributed to the counties. Each county is apportioned (etc to) down. However, seats will not be allowed to deviate by more than 20% from 100,000 except in special circumstances. (I decide what a special circumstance is. There won't be many. There might not be any.)
As a result of this rule, any county of 80,000-120,000 inhabitants is awarded one seat. Any county of 160,000-240,000 inhabitants is awarded two seats. (Any county of 250,000-350,000 inhabitants is awarded three seats and so forth after that.)
3. Smaller counties will be grouped together to create the remaining districts.
4. A county of 120,000-160,000 inhabitants will be granted one whole seat that will only include part of the county. The remainder of the county will be paired with smaller counties.
Similarly, a county of 240,000-250,000 inhabitants will be granted two whole seats plus a remainder.
5. If challenging geography requires it, minor deviations from all rules but rule 1 are allowable.
6. If a county is to be split, I'll line out which townships/Census Bureau subdivisions/whatever go into which district. In the larger counties, these things will be awarded seats just like counties are, except I'll be somewhat more lenient with the rules.
7. I won't carve up large subdivisions into detailed seats, although I may sometimes provide a rough outline of what seats might look like.
8. I'll try and produce fancy names for the seats, rather along the lines of the British ones. These go by their own subset of rules:
a. Place, river and mountain names, but mostly place names. The disgusting and Australian habit of naming seats after people will be frowned upon.
b. Names composed of one to three parts, plus cardinal points where necessary.
c. County and County subdivision names used only when they are reasonably uncommon (this is to avoid having two dozen Jefferson constituencies)
However, I'll probably leave quite a lot of these blank - especially in the cities, where I won't actually have lined out where the seats are exactly.
Plus I'll sometimes give alternative suggestions.
9. Because I've usually always worked my way through the US East to West, I'll begin on the Pacific this time.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 07:52:15 AM
HAWAII
1,211 mio inhabitants
12 seats

Honolulu County - 876K inhabitants
9 seats
Hawaii County - 149K inhabitants
1+1 seats
Maui County - 128K inhabitants
1+1 seats.

As that leaves no representation to Kauai (58K) and Kalawao (basically 0) counties, Kauai will share one of the Honolulu county seats while Kalawao will share the Maui seat. Hawaii and Maui will share a seat.

In Honolulu County, Honolulu CCD (372K) is entitled to 4 seats, Ewa CCD (272K) to 3 seats and Koolaupoko CCD (118K) to 1 seat. Since this leaves a horribly oversized (171K) North Oahu-Kauai seat, I have decided that Honolulu and Ewa will have 3 and 2 whole seats respectively, and share a sixth.

Seats:
HILO
Hawaii County CCD's of Hilo, Keaau - Mountain View, North Hilo, Pahoa - Kalapana, Papaikau - Wailea, and Kau. Population 87K.
HAWAII WEST (or: KONA) - MAUI (NORTH) EAST
Remaining Hawaii County CCDs; Maui County CCD's of Hailu - Pauela, Hana, Makewao - Paia. Hope I spelled these right. Population 91K.
MAUI WEST (& MOLOKAI)
Remaining Maui County CCDs; Kalawao County. Population 100K.
HONOLULU 1-3
No details available, but likely to be arranged east to west.
EWA 1 & 2
No details available, but one seat on the Northern & Western shores of Pearl Harbor (perhaps named Pearl Harbor) and one seat combining the center of the island around Mililani Town with the areas immediately northeast of Pearl Harbor appears likely.
HONOLULU / EWA
No details available, but would obviously include the (north?-)westernmost part of Honolulu and southeastern Ewa around Aiea, and might well be named Aiea.
KOOLAUPOKO
CCD of that name (island's Eastern coast.) Population 118K.
OAHU NORTH WEST
Waianae, Waialua and Wahiawa CCDs. Population 94K.
KAUAI & KOOLAULOA
Koolauloa CCD; Kauai County. Population 77K.
I have not been able to split the area into two districts of over 80K population without splitting a CCD. Given that this seat is already disadvantaged due to the large distance betwwn its Oahu part and Kauai, I have decided to let it be.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 07:59:52 AM
ALASKA
627K inhabitants
6 seats

Anchorage Municipality - 260K inhabitants
3 seats
Fairbanks North Star Borough - 83K inhabitants
1 seat

As that leaves the remainder of the state with 284K inhabitants and just 2 seats, I have grouped Kenai Peninsula Borough (50K) with Anchorage. (I tried Matanuska-Susitna Borough with 60K at first, but it made for a very ugly split between the two vast rural constituencies.)

ANCHORAGE WEST (or NORTH)
ANCHORAGE EAST (or SOUTH)
KENAI PENINSULA & ANCHORAGE SOUTH (or EAST)
no details available
FAIRBANKS
Fairbanks North Star Borough, 83K
PANHANDLE & ALASKA SOUTH (or some such name)
Bristol Bay, Aleutians East, Lake & Peninsula, Kodiak Island, Yakutat boroughs, Aleutians West, Valdez-Cordova, Southeast Fairbanks census areas, and all boroughs and census areas south of Yakutat. 115K inhabitants.
ALASKA NORTH (or maybe something more colourful...BERING STRAIT perhaps?)
All other boroughs and census areas. 120K inhabitants (half of them in Mat-Su, and most of the rest Inuit from the West coast...should make for interesting elections :) )


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 26, 2005, 08:22:38 AM
I likes this idea


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 08:37:43 AM
now for the first real test...
WASHINGTON
5,894 mio inhabitants
59 seats

Whatcom - 167K inhabitants
2 seats
Skagit - 103K inhabitants
1 seat
Snohomish - 606K inhabitants
6 seats
King - 1737K inhabitants
18 seats, for reasons I'll make clear in a minute
Kitsap - 231K inhabitants
2 seats
Pierce - 701K inhabitants
7 seats
Thurston - 207K inhabitants
2 seats
Clark - 345K inhabitants
3 seats
Cowlitz - 93K inhabitants
1 seat
Yakima - 223K inhabitants
2 seats
Benton - 142K inhabitants
1+1 seat
Spokane - 417K inhabitants
4 seats

Due to unfortunate rounding, that leaves just 922K inhabitants but 10+1 seats, in areas that, for the most part, are not fast growing. Moreover, the distribution of the population in King County was such that I had to distribute 9 seats to Seattle CCD (897K) and 5 seats to East Seattle CCD (480K) and was left with three seats for 360K people in for the most part very fast growing regions. Therefore I gave that extra seat mentioned above to (outer) King County, and just 9+1 seats to rural Washington.

JUAN DE FUCA
San Juan, Island counties. 85K inhabitants
OLYMPIC PENINSULA
Clallam, Jefferson counties. 91K inhabitants
GRAYS HARBOR (& HOOD CANAL)
Grays Harbor, Mason counties. 117K inhabitants
BREMERTON & PORT ORCHARD
Port Orchard CCD (61K) and part of Bremerton CCD (102K) mostly centered on the city of Bremerton (37K) which is situated in the southern part of Bremerton CCD.
KITSAP NORTH
Remainder of Kitsap County.
BELLINGHAM
Bellingham CCD (92K), minus the Sudden Valley area
WHATCOM
Remainder of Whatcom County. 74K inhabitants, plus at least 6,000 people from the Sudden Valley area
SKAGIT
Skagit County. 103K inhabitants
MARYSVILLE & STANWOOD (or SNOHOMISH NORTH WEST)
Stanwood, Tulalip, Marysville, Arlington CCDs of Snohomish County. 115K inhabitants
SNOHOMISH (EAST)
Darrington, Granite Falls, Skykomish, Monroe, Lake Stevens, Snohomish CCDs. 100K inhabitants
EVERETT
City of Everett (88K) and probably some areas that would otherwise be noncoterminous with the next district
MALTBY & PAINE FIELD (or MALTBY & LAKE STICKNEY)
Remainder of Everett CCD (total pop: 146K) and Maltby CCD (37K)
EDMONDS; LYNNWOOD
(two seats) Edmonds CCD. 207K inhabitants
SEATTLE 1-9
Yeah, well, nine seats
EAST SEATTLE 1-5
Yeah, well, five more seats. Names probably won't include any reference to Seattle. Bellevue, Redmond, Renton and Kirkland come to mind as possible names.
FEDERAL WAY & VASHON ISLAND
Vashon Island CCD; City of Federal Way (from Auburn CCD), 83K inhabitants, probably some areas otherwise noncoterminous with the next district. 93K inhabitants +x
AUBURN & ENUMCLAW SOUTH (perhaps)
Remainder of Auburn CCD (73K -x), part of Enumclaw Plateau CCD (54K)
TAHOMA & ENUMCLAW NORTH (perhaps)
Tahoma-Maple Valley CCD (53K); remainder of Enumclaw Plateau CCD
ISSAQUAH PLATEAU & SNOQUALMIE VALLEY
CCD's of said names. 87K inhabitants
TACOMA 1-4
Tacoma CCD. No details available, although two seats would include the city (190K or something) and some inner suburbs to the northeast (and likely be named Tacoma West and Tacoma East or Tacoma North and Tacoma South), while two seats would include the Southern suburbs (and not be named Tacoma). Population 399K
PUYALLUP
Most of Puyallup CCD (123K inhabitants)
MOUNT RAINIER
Buckley, Eatonville, Graham-Thrift, Mount Rainier CCDs, remainder of Puyallup CCD. 84K inhabitants without Puyallup
GIG HARBOR & FORT LEWIS
Gig Harbor Peninsula, Lower Peninsula, Fort Lewis - DuPont, and Roy CCDs. 96K inhabitants
OLYMPIA
Part of Olympia CCD (137K) including all of the city (just 43K)
NISQUALLY
Remainder of Thurston County. Named after river.
CHEHALIS & WILLAPA BAY
Lewis, Pacific and Wahkiakum counties. 98K inhabitants
COWLITZ (or LONGVIEW. The Cowlitz River is mostly in Lewis County.)
Cowlitz County. 93K inhabitants
VANCOUVER WEST
Part of Vancouver CCD (191K inhabitants) in Clark County
VANCOUVER EAST - ORCHARDS
Remainder of Vancouver CCD; Orchards CCD (53K inhabitants)
244K inhabitants together. Slightly above 120K inhabitants per seat. Alternatives include much uglier looking districts or splitting Orchards CCD. I'd prefer the latter.
BATTLE GROUND & CAMAS
Remainder of Clark County. 101K (plus any part of Orchards CCD added)
RICHLAND & KENNEWICK
Most of the Richland-Kennewick CCD (pop: 124K) of Benton County, including all of the two cities (combined population 94K). Total population should be in excess of 100K.
PASCO & COLUMBIA GORGE
Skamania, Klickitat, Franklin Counties. Remainder of Benton County. 220K inhabitants in the two seats.
YAKIMA
Most of Yakima CCD (129K)
SUNNYSIDE & LOST HORSE
Remainder of Yakima County. 94K plus whatever is added from Yakima CCD.
WALLA WALLA & LOWER SNAKE
Walla Walla, Columbia, Garfield, Asotin Counties. 82K
MIDDLE COLUMBIA & MOSES LAKE
Grant, Douglas Counties. 108K
ELLENSBURG, WENATCHEE & LAKE CHELAN (or leave out either Wenatchee or Lake Chelan)
Kittitas, Chelan Countis. 100K
PALOUSE- LAKE ROOSEVELT was the best I could do
Whitman, Adams, Lincoln Counties; Spokane Reservation, Loon Lake, Columbia and Springdale CCDs of Stevens County. 84K
GRAND COULEE DAM
Okanogan, Ferry, Pend Oreille Counties; Kettle Falls, Colville, Chenelah (hope I spelt that right) CCDs of Stevens County. 82K
SPOKANE 1-3
Spokane CCD of Spokane County. No details available. 322K together (inc. 195K inside city limits)
CHENEY & MOUNT SPOKANE
Remaining CCDs of Spokane County. 95K inhabitants


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 08:45:26 AM
That's good to hear. :)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 09:16:45 AM
OREGON
3,421 Mio inhabitants
34 seats

Multnomah 660K
7 seats
Washington 445K
4 seats
Clackamas 338K
3 seats
Had the Census been held just a year later, Washington would have 5 seats, Clackamas might have 4 and Multnomah might have only 6...tough luck for the suburbs in this case.
Marion 285K
3 seats
Linn 103K
1 seat
Yamhill 85K
1 seat
Lane 322K
3 seats
Douglas 100K
1 seat (actually, 1+1, for reasons that will be made clear)
Jackson 181K
2 seats
Deschutes 115K
1 seat

That leaves 786K and 8 seats. Interestingly the remaining counties are split into three noncoterminous regions...NW: 288K, 3 seats. SW: 160K, 2 seats. East: 338K, 3 seats.
A problem arose in the SW which led to me distributing part of Douglas County to one of these seats.

ASTORIA
Clatsop, Columbia and Tillamook Counties. 104K
PORTLAND 1-5 (cardinal points)
GRESHAM
MULTNOMAH EAST
Multnomah County. Details not available. Except for two mini CCD's (Skyline and Corbett) at the county's outer ends, all of it is in Portland CCD. 526K are within Portland city limits. The city of Gresham has 90K inhabitants and would likely get its own seat.
BEAVERTON
HILLSBORO
TIGARD (probably)
Beaverton-Hillsboro CCD of Washington County. 340K. Seats tentatively named after largest towns of 67K, 61K and 41K.
CHEHALEM
Remaining CCD's of Washington County. 105K
CLACKAMAS 1 & 2
Northwest Clackamas CCD of Clackamas County. No really dominant town. 224K. The County Town is here and is called Oregon City. I might use that name.
MOLALLA & MOUNT HOOD
Remaining CCD's of Clackamas County. 114K
YAMHILL
Yamhill County. 85K
SALEM NORTH
SALEM SOUTH
Salem CCD of Marion County. 204K, of which 119K within city limits. The city of Salem is split between Marion and Polk Counties.
WOODBURN & SILVERTON
Remaining CCD's of Marion County. 81 K
SALEM WEST & SILETZ
Polk County; All of Lincoln County except Waldport and Eddysville CCD's. 98K
CORVALLIS & WALDPORT
Benton County; Waldport and Eddysville CCD's of Lincoln County. 86K
SANTIAM RIVER
Linn County. 103K
EUGENE WEST
Part of city of Eugene (138K), plus any enclaves within it
EUGENE EAST & SPRINGFIELD
Remainder of Eugene - Springfield CCD (pop of 230K)
SIUSLAW & UPPER WILLAMETTE
Remainder of Lane County. 93K. Totally surrounds the two Eugene constituencies.
ROSEBURG & REEDSPORT
Douglas County except North Umpqua and South Umpqua CCD's (that's pretty exactly half the area of Douglas County, actually, but very thinly inhabited) 91K
COOS BAY & CURRY
Coos and Curry counties. 84 K
GRANTS PASS & UMPQUA
Josephine County (which has 76K and couldn't be combined with anything, hence the split of Douglas County); Douglas County's North Umpqua and South Umpqua CCD's. 85K
MEDFORD
Most of Medford CCD of Jackson County (112K) including all of the city (63K) of same name.
ASHLAND & UPPER ROGUE
Remainder of Jackson County (pop: 181K)
BEND
Deschutes County (115K)
KLAMATH & MALHEUR
Klamath, Lake, Harvey, Malheur Counties. 111K.
PENDLETON
Morrow, Umatilla, Union, Wallowa. 114K.
JOHN DAY RIVER & THE DALLES. Best I could do.
All the remainder - Baker, Grant, Crook, Jefferson, Hood River, Wasco, Sherman, Gilliam and Wheeler in a vast townless district (except for some holidaying exurbs in Hood River in the district's far NW corner) of 113K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 26, 2005, 10:59:28 AM
CALIFORNIA
General outline only for today.
33,872 Mio. 339 seats. (Hey - if California ever declared her independence this could well be her parliament's size.)

According to the rules...
Humboldt 1+1
Mendocino 1
Sonoma 5
Marin 2+1
Napa 1+1
Solano 4
Yolo 2
Sacramento 12
Shasta 2
Butte 2
Nevada 1
Placer 2+1
El Dorado 1+1
San Francisco 8
San Mateo 7
Santa Clara 17
Santa Cruz 3
Contra Costa 9
Alameda 14
San Joaquin 6
Stanislaus 4
Merced 2
Madera 1+1
Fresno 8
Kings 1+1
Tulare 4
Kern 7
Monterey 4
San Luis Obispo 2+1
Santa Barbara 4
Ventura 8
Los Angeles 95 (yes)
Orange 28
San Bernardino 17
Riverside 15
Imperial 1+1
San Diego 28
...or 329 plus parts of 9, leaving one and parts of 9 to the 21 remaining counties (with a population of 684,000). Oh, and many of these parts are nowhere near minor counties.

Anyways, this is the final list. Every group of counties is of the right size for its number of seats.
Humboldt, Trinity, Del Norte 2
Mendocino 1
Sonoma, Marin 7
Napa, Lake 2
Solano 4
Yolo 2
Sacramento 12
Siskiyou, Modoc, Lassen, Plumas 1
Shasta 2
Butte 2
Tehama, Glenn 1
Sutter, Colusa 1
Nevada, Sierra 1
Placer, Yuba 3
El Dorado, Amador 2
Calaveras, Tuolumne 1
San Francisco 8
San Mateo 7
Santa Clara 17
Santa Cruz 3
Contra Costa 9
Alameda 14
San Joaquin 6
Stanislaus 4
Merced 2
Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Alpine, Inyo (ugly that last one, but needed to cross 160,000 people) 2
Fresno 8
Kings, Tulare 5
Kern 7
Monterey, San Benito, San Luis Obispo 7
Santa Barbara 4
Ventura 8
Los Angeles 95
Orange 28
San Bernardino 17
Riverside, Imperial 17
San Diego 28
Except that that's one seat too many. I will therefore distribute only 94 seats to Los Angeles County, pushing the average population of an LA County seat from 100,200 to 101,300.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on April 26, 2005, 11:13:44 AM
The population of 100,000 is very close to the size of a representative seat in the IL General Assembly. States are more akin to European countries in size. So, the size of these districts doesn't match well for the US as a whole.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on April 26, 2005, 01:13:08 PM
Very interesting Lewis. :) But where's the maps?! >:(


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Lt. Gov. Immy on April 26, 2005, 02:37:15 PM
Very interesting Lewis. :) But where's the maps?! >:(

Yes, and where is Idaho? ;)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 27, 2005, 02:38:41 AM
Muon: See the first post. Just before the smilie. :)
Immy: Coming soon.
WMS: Your job. ;D


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 27, 2005, 03:07:38 AM
Updated Oregon and Washington constituency names.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 27, 2005, 07:08:44 AM
This message exceeds the maximum allowed length, and shall be split.
CALIFORNIA
Still very vague in urban areas.
33,872 Mio. 339 seats.

EUREKA (or HUMBOLDT BAY)
Eureka, North Coastal and most of Arcata CCDs. Arcata CCD's population is mostly right by Eureka, but the CCD stretches up some valley to the county line. Population 89K minus whatever is chopped off Arcata
CRESCENT CITY, TRINITY & EEL RIVER
Remainder of Humboldt County, Trinity County, Del Norte County. Population 78K plus what's gained in Arcata.
MENDOCINO
County of same name. 86K.
SANTA ROSA EAST (or NORTH)
SANTA ROSA WEST (or SOUTH)
Santa Rosa CCD of Sonoma County. 190K together.
PETALUMA EAST & SONOMA
Sonoma CCD, part of Petaluma CCD
PETALUMA WEST & SEBASTOPOL
Sebastopol CCD, remainder of Petaluma CCD. 189K together.
RUSSIAN RIVER & POINT REYES
Remainder of Sonoma County; Northwest Marin and Southwest Marin CCDs, and a bit part of Northeast Marin CCD. 91K plus said bit part.
SAN RAFAEL & NOVATO
San Rafael CCD, remainder of Northeast Marin CCD. 124K minus said bit part.
SAUSALITO & ROSS VALLEY
Southeast Marin and Ross Valley CCDs. 112K.
NAPA
Napa CCD of Napa County. 102K
CLEAR LAKE
Remainder of Napa County. Lake County. 80K
VACAVILLE
Vacaville CCD of Solano County. 96K
FAIRFIELD
Just the city (and perhaps anything enclosed by it, didn't see anything though) 96K
VALLEJO
City of Vallejo, unincorporated area to the west of it. 117K plus that unincorporated area. This might be over 120K, but I think it's better than splitting the city.
GRIZZLY BAY
Remainder of Fairfield-Suisun City and Vallejo CCDs, all of Dixon and Rio Vista CCDs, ie: remainder of Solano County. 88K minus that incorporated area in Fairfield constituency.

Yolo 2. Darn it. I knew I'd forget something. Will get back to you on this one.

FOLSOM
Folsom CCD of Sacramento County (pop:52K). Part of Sacramento CCD (960K)
SACRAMENTO 1-9
Remainder of Sacramento CCD. Delta CCD (5K).
MATHER
Mather CCD. 97K.
ELK GROVE - GALT
Elk Grove, Galt and Sloughhouse CCDs. 110K.
YREKA - SUSANVILLE
Siskiyou, Modoc, Lassen, Plumas counties.99K.
REDDING
City of Redding. 81K. Plus any enclaves.
SHASTA
Remainder of Shasta County. 82K. Minus any enclaves.
CHICO
Chico, Durham, Biggs and Gridley CCDs of Butte County. 109K.
OROVILLE & PARADISE
Oroville, Paradise, Palermo and Feather Falls CCDs of Butte County. 94K. This represents a pretty even East-West split of Butte County. Along a river, too. Wisht all counties were like that.
TEHAMA - GLENN.
I guess Glenn is just about stomachable in the combination of names. Counties of said names. 82K.
SUTTER - COLUSA
Counties of said names. 98K.
SIERRA NEVADA
Counties of said names. Couldn't resist the constituency name. 96K.
YUBA - WEST VALLEY (obviously that name can't be allowed to stand. Open to suggestions)
Yuba County; West Valley CCD of Placer County. 82K
ROSEVILLE
Roseville CCD of Placer County. 81K
AUBURN & NORTH LAKE TAHOE
Lake Tahoe, Foresthill - Back Country, Colfax - Summit, and Auburn CCDs. 78K.
And, in case you were wondering: Loomis Basin - Folsom Lake CCD (67K) will have to be split up between the three.
PLACERVILLE & SOUTH LAKE TAHOE
Placerville, North El Dorado, South Lake Tahoe CCDs. And probably (eastern) part of South El Dorado CCD, the western part of which is Sacramento outer suburbs. 78K plus whatever's added.
SOUTH EL DORADO - AMADOR
South El Dorado CCD (or most of it). Amador County. 113K minus x.
CALAVERAS - TUOLUMNE
Counties of said name. 96K.
SAN FRANCISCO 1-8
Yeah, well, eight seats.
SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO 1-3
The Daly City, Oceanside etc area of San Mateo County.
SAN MATEO 1-4
San Mateo CCD stretches from Hillsborough on south. South Coastside CCD (29K) around Half Moon Bay will for population balance reasons be included in one of these seats.
SANTA CLARA 1-17
Santa Clara County includes a big, heavily populated basin with coastal strip attached in the NW. And Mountains around on three sides. The Census Bureau's CCDs are nothing less than helpful here. San Jose CCD is entitled to 16 seats. All the others together are not entitled to a single seat. Obviously I could have done better than not doing anything at all. Obviously others who actually know the area could do much better than me.
SANTA CRUZ
WATSONVILLE
MONTEREY BAY NORTH
Santa Cruz County. 255K, so these should be about 85K each. Santa Cruz CCD is 151K, although the city is just 40-odd K. Watsonville CCD is 72K, so some outer Santa Cruz territory should be added. Seaside and San Lorenzo Valley CCDs in the northern part of the county are just 33K and will be combined with outer parts of Santa Cruz CCD in the Monterey Bay North seat.
WEST CONTRA COSTA 1 & 2.
The Richmond area. 236K
CENTRAL CONTRA COSTA 1-5
The Livermore Valley area (as far as it's not in Alameda County). 459K. Mountainous Briones (6K, to the West) and Tassajara (27K, to the Southeast) CCDs should be included in Central seats.
ANTIOCH - PITTSBURG - CONTRA COSTA EAST 1 & 2
Antioch - Pittsburg and East Contra Costa CCDs. 221K. Basically one seat is in Antioch-Pittsburg and the other is mostly in East Contra Costa but has a considerable portion of eastern Antioch-Pittsburg as welll.
BERKELEY
City and CCD of Berkely. 119K
OAKLAND 1-4; ALAMEDA
Oakland CCD has 417K (the city has 399K). Alameda City & CCD has 72K and is totally surrounded by Oakland and water. 5 seats with 489 K together.
FREMONT 1-3
Fremont CCD. 311K together
HAYWARD 1-3
LIVERMORE
PLEASANTON
Hayward CCD has 351K. Livermore-Pleasanton CCD has 172K. I had to combine them to stay at 14 seats, thence one seat will cross the boundary.
STOCKTON 1-3
Stockton CCD of San Joaquin County. 307K. The city has 242K.
LODI
Lodi, Thornton, and Lockeford CCDs. 87K
TRACY
Tracy CCD. 70K. Plus part of Manteca CCD, 71K, staying as clear of the city as possible.
MANTECA & ESCALON
Remainder of Manteca CCD. Ripon, Linden-Farmington, and Escalon CCDs. Population of these last three:29K. Population of the two constituencies: 170K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 27, 2005, 07:10:08 AM
MODESTO NORTH
MODESTO SOUTH
STANISLAUS EAST
Modesto CCD (282K). And Oakdale, Waterford, and Hughson CCDs, 47K, which will be in the Stanislaus East seat, together with part of Modesto CCD (but as little as possible of the city proper. The city has 186K inhabitants, but there's quite a few other areas that will probably have to go into Modesto N or Modesto S.)
TURLOCK
Remainder of Stanislaus County. 118K.
MERCED & LOS BANOS (or MERCED SOUTH)
Merced, Dos Palos, and Los Banos CCDs. 119 K.
ATWATER (or MERCED NORTH)
Remainder of Merced County. 92K.
YOSEMITE & DEATH VALLEY
Mariposa, Alpine, Mono and Inyo Counties. Oakburst-North Fork CCD of Madera County. Just 75K. Given the constituency's vast size and nonexistent road linkage (you'll have to drive through Tuolumne), noone can complain.
MADERA
Remainder of Madera County. 97K.
FRESNO 1-6
Fresno CCD. 570K.
SELMA & KERMAN
Firebaugh, Mendota, San Joaquin - Tranquility, Coalinga, Huron, Kerman, Caruthers - Raisin City, Riverdale, Laton, Selma CCDs. 115K. Western part of county.
REEDLEY & SANGER
Remainder of Fresno County. 114K. Eastern part of county.
HANFORD & AVENAL
Kings County except for Corcoran CCD. 112K.
VISALIA
Tulare County CCD of said name. 105K.
TULARE & CORCORAN
Corcoran CCD of Kings County. Tulare, Tipton, Pridley and Earlimart CCDs of Tulare County. 91K.
PORTERVILLE
Porterville, Terra Bella, Lindsay and Strathmore CCDs. 90K.
EXETER - THREE RIVERS
Remainder of Tulare County. 93K.
BAKERSFIELD 1-4.
Bakersfield, Arvin - Lamont, and Greenfield - Panama CCDs of Kern County. 387K
ROSEDALE - KERN RIVER
Rosedale, Wasco, Buttonwillow, and Westside CCDs. 91K
DELANO - SHAFTER
McFarland - Delano, Lake Isabella, and Shafter CCDs. 86K.
TEHACHAPI - EAST KERN
CCDs of said name (ie, remainder of county). 98K.
MONTEREY
Seaside-Monterey CCD. 113K. Seaside is such a generic name. Everybody knows where Monterey is.
SALINAS NORTH & CASTROVILLE
SALINAS SOUTH
198K. Salinas CCD has 163K. IIRC there were two small CCDs to the north of Salinas that I added, but I didn't put down the name of the other one.
SAN BENITO & SOLEDAD
San Benito County. Gonzales, Toro, Soledad & Greenfield CCDs of Monterey County. "Of Mice and Men" set here. 101K.
PASO ROBLES - CARMEL VALLEY
Remainder of Monterey County. Paso Robles CCD of San Luis Obispo County. 81K.
SAN LUIS OBISPO (& ATASCADERO, if that isn't too big a mouthful)
San Luis Obispo CCD minus small coastal strip, Atascadero CCD. 101K minus x.
ARROYO GRANDE & MORRO BAY.
Arroyo Grande and North Coast CCDs. 106K plus x.
SANTA MARIA VALLEY
Santa Barbara County CCD of that name. 111K.
LOMPOC
All of Santa Barbara County except Santa Maria Valley, Santa Barbara and Carpinteria Valley CCDs. 87K.
SANTA BARBARA WEST & GOLETA
SANTA BARBARA EAST & CARPINTERIA
201K together. At first I thought of a district based on Santa Barbara city (which will now be split; 92K) and a Goleta-Carpinteria district, but that would be purely nominally coterminous.
VENTURA
Ventura CCD. 106K.
OXNARD EAST
OXNARD WEST
208K together.
SIMI VALLEY & THOUSAND OAKS 1-3.
Simi Valley CCD, 116K. Thousand Oaks CCD, 149K. And Triunfo Pass - Coastal CCD, 2K.
CAMARILLO
Camarillo, Moorpark, and Las Posas CCDs. 94K
SANTA PAULA - LOS PADRES
Remainder (north) of Ventura County. 81K.
LA County...the following CCD's, in alphabetical order.
BURBANK. 1 seat.
CALABASAS. 1 seat.
COMPTON. 3 seats. Likely to be named Compton, Carson, and Lynwood.
DOWNEY - NORWALK. 4 seats.
EAST SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. 9 seats. This is the Pomona, West Covina etc area.
GLENDALE. 2 seats.
INGLEWOOD. 4 seats. Also includes Hawthorne, Gardena.
LONG BEACH - LAKEWOOD. 6 seats.
LOS ANGELES. Theoretically entitled to 39 seats, but see below. The city and all the enclaves too small to be chopped off, basically - such as those of the Hollywood area, except Santa Monica. Some tiny specks of the city are elsewhere. This area still spans from BelAir to San Pedro, though.
NEWHALL. 2 seats. Main town is Santa Clarita.
NORTH ANTELOPE VALLEY. Entitled to 1+1 seat. Solved by pairing with SOUTH ANTELOPE VALLEY, also entitled to 1+1 seat, making three seats. Probably urban seats based on Lancaster (in North) and Palmdale (in South) and a large rural remnant, probably named Antelope Valley.
PALOS VERDES. 1 seat.
PASADENA. Entitled to 2+1 seat.Couldn't be paired with any of its other neighbors, thence paired with Los Angeles to create an area entitled to 41 seats.
SOUTH BAY CITIES. Entitled to 1+1 seat. White, mixed-voting area around Redondo Beach. Solved by pairing with TORRANCE, also entitled to 1+1 seat, making three seats. That won't please them. ;D
SANTA MONICA. 1 seat.
SOUTHEAST. Quintessential East LA, this. 5 seats.
SOUTHWEST SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. 3 seats. Alhambra, Monterey Park etc.
UPPER SAN GABRIEL VALLEY. 3 seats. El Monte etc.
WHITTIER. 3 seats. East LA beyond East LA. Becoming more similar to East LA hourly. Richard Nixon once represented the area.
And because that's still 95 seats (see above), LA/Pasadena will only get 40 seats. The average size will still be just 102,500.
ANAHEIM - SANTA ANA - GARDENGROVE 1-16.
See San Jose.
NORTH COAST 1-4
Area around Huntington Beach etc.
NEWPORT BEACH
COSTA MESA
These two seats make up the Central Coast CCD.
SOUTHERN PART OF COUNTY 1-6.
El Toro, Trabuco and South Coast CCDs. Entitled to 7 CCDs individually, but 6 when taken together. There would be an El Toro (Irvine) seat, a Trabuco (Mission Viejo) seat, two South Coast seats (names to be determined), and two holdover seats combining parts of at least two of the CCDs each.
ONTARIO 1-5
SAN BERNARDINO 1-7.
San Bernardino County CCD's of these names. As you can see, I got bored.
YUCAIPA - ARROWHEAD
Yucaipa, Big Bear, Arrowhead and Mount Baldy - Wrightwood CCDs. 98K
HESPERIA
Hesperia city, part of Apple Valley city.
VICTORVILLE
Victorville city, Adelanto city, remainder of Apple Valley city. 199K together.
BARSTOW
Remainder of Barstow-Victorville CCD. Quite vast. 86K.
TWENTYNINE PALMS - MOHAVE DESERT
Very vast remainder of San Bernardino County. 89K.
JURUPA.
Riverside County CCD of that name (as are the next 15 seats). 85K
CORONA NORTH
CORONA SOUTH - NORCO
169K together.
ELSINORE VALLEY - LAKE MATHEWS
87K. Two CCDs.
3 MURRIETA and PARRIS VALLEY seats. 291K together.
4 RIVERSIDE seats, one of them also including the SAN GORGONIO PASS area. 442K together.
HEMET - SAN JACINTO
115K. One CCD.
CATHEDRAL CITY
Part of Cathedral City - Palm Desert CCD (121K)
PALM SPRINGS
Remainder, plus Palm Springs and Idyllwild CCDs. 176K together.
COACHELLA VALLEY
119K.
SALTON SEA
Desert Hot Springs, Chuckwalla and Palo Verde CCDs of Riverside County. Four CCDs of Imperial County that I didn't write down the names for (though one was simply called East Imperial and another West Imperial). 109K together.
IMPERIAL VALLEY
Brawley, Imperial, El Centro, Holtville, and Calexico CCDs of Imperial County. 118K
OCEANSIDE - ESCONDIDO. 6 seats. Oceanside - Escondido CCD has 555K. I had to add Pendleton and Fallbrook CCDs though, pushing the total to 635K. Oceanside, Escondido, Vista, San Marcos, and Pendleton might make 5 of the 6 constituency names. Or 6...Oceanside or Escondido getting an East and a West constituency.
SAN DIEGO. 21 seats for this CCD. Includes most suburbs as well.
RAMONA (stand-in name, after largest town. Should be replaced by a geographical term, though.)
All the remaining, eastern San Diego County, CCDs. 100K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 27, 2005, 09:07:09 AM
Okay, IDAHO.
1,294 Mio inhabitants. 13 seats.

Ada County, 301K inhabitants, 3 seats.
Canyon County, 131K inhabitants, 1 seat and part of 1. Has been paired with Payette, Owyhee and Elmore Counties.
Kootenai County, 109K inhabitants, 1 seat.
Bonneville County, 83K inhabitants, 1 seat.
Remainder of the state to make six seats.

KOOTENAI (or, COEUR D'ALENE)
Kootenai County. 109K.
MOSCOW & BOUNDARY (or something like that)
Boundary, Bonner, Shoshone, Benewah and Latah Counties. 105K.
NEZ PERCE & HELLS CANYON
Nez Perce, Lewis, Clearwater, Idaho, Valley, Adams, Washington, Gem, Boise. 109K.
NAMPA - CALDWELL
Nampa & Kramer CCDs of Canyon County. 105K.
OWYHEE & (add something here)
Remainder of Canyon County; Payette, Owyhee, Elmore. 87K
BOISE WEST
BOISE EAST
City of Boise, perhaps some enclaves. 186K+x together.
ADA
Remainder of Ada County, 115K -x.
TWIN FALLS
Twin Falls, Cassia, Jerome. 103K
IDAHO CENTRAL
Power, Minidoka, Lincoln, Camas, Blaine, Gooding, Custer, Lemhi, Butte, Clarke. 90K
IDAHO FALLS
Bonneville County. 83K
(still looking for name)
Bingham, Jefferson, Madison, Fremont, Teton. 106K.
POCATELLO
Bannock, Caribou, Franklin, Bear Lake, Oneida. 104K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on April 27, 2005, 01:29:57 PM
Muon: See the first post. Just before the smilie. :)
Immy: Coming soon.
WMS: Your job. ;D

Yeah, I'll get to those...in 2006... :P


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on April 27, 2005, 01:48:30 PM
Muon: See the first post. Just before the smilie. :)
Immy: Coming soon.
WMS: Your job. ;D

My point was that your exercise might be more useful if assigned to the state legislatures, rather than to the federal government. :)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 28, 2005, 07:33:54 AM
Muon: See the first post. Just before the smilie. :)
Immy: Coming soon.
WMS: Your job. ;D

My point was that your exercise might be more useful if assigned to the state legislatures, rather than to the federal government. :)
...in the large states. ;)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 28, 2005, 08:10:37 AM
Okay, IDAHO.
IDAHO FALLS
Bonneville County. 83K
(still looking for name)
Bingham, Jefferson, Madison, Fremont, Teton. 106K.
I've looked these over on a map again and they're unacceptable. I'll have to split Bonneville, pairing the larger part (likely around the city of Idaho Falls) with Bingham County (42K) and the remainder with the counties to the north.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 28, 2005, 08:24:16 AM
Yolo County and NE Idaho (mopping up as you might say)

Yolo County:
DAVIS
Davis, Winters, Esparto and Knights Landing CCDs. 85K.
WOODLAND & WEST SACRAMENTO
Woodland, East Yolo and Clarksburg CCDs. 85K.
Districts are somewhat Yin and Yang shaped, to prevent splitting any of the county's three urban areas.

NE Idaho:
Idaho Falls CCD has 75K of Bonneville County's 82K inhabitants. I'll have to split the area. (52K are within the city itself, which is situated pretty much at the center of the CCD and will probably have to be split as well.)
IDAHO FALLS SOUTH & BLACKFOOT
Bingham County (42K), approximately 53K of Idaho Falls CCD of Bonneville County.
IDAHO FALLS NORTH & REXBURG
Remainder of Bonneville County (app. 30K) and Jefferson, Madison, Fremont, Teton Counties (64K).


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 05:55:46 AM
MONTANA

902K inhabitants. 9 seats.

Cascade - 80K
Missoula - 96K entitled to one seat each.
Yellowstone - 129K entitled to one seat plus overspill

A problem arises in the NW of the state because Flathead County, with 74K inhabitants, and Missoula County together separate 4 more counties (with over 46K inhabitants) from the rest of the state. This could only be solved by putting some more counties in with Missoula, or by splitting Flathead County. I went with the first option. Names I chose are more than just a bit dull, btw.

MISSOULA
Missoula, Mineral, and Sanders Counties. 110K
KALISPELL
Flathead, Lake, and Lincoln Counties. 120K
BUTTE
Silver Bow, Deer Lodge, Granite, Ravalli, Beaverhead, and Madison Counties. 99K
HELENA
Lewis and Clark, Powell, Jefferson, Broadwater, Meagher, Teton, Pondera, and Glacier Counties. 104K
BOZEMAN
Gallatin, Park, Sweet Grass, Stillwater, and Carbon Counties. 106K
GREAT FALLS
Cascade County. 80K
BILLINGS
Billings CCD of Yellowstone County. 97K
YELLOWSTONE RIVER
Remainder of Yellowstone County; Fallon, Carter, Powder River, Custer, Rosebud, Treasure, Big Horn, Musselshell, Golden Valley, Wheatland, Fergus, Petroleum, and Judith Basin Counties. 94K
UPPER MISSOURI
Toole, Liberty, Hill, Chouteau, Blaine, Philips, Valley, Daniels, Sheridan, Roosevelt, Richland, Dawson, McCone, Wibaux, Prairie, and Garfield Counties. 91K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 05:58:15 AM
WYOMING
494K inhabitants.
5 seats.

Laramie County, 82K inhabitants, entitled to a seat of its own. No problems of any kind arose.

YELLOWSTONE PARK
Teton, Park, Lincoln, Sublette, Fremont, and Hot Springs Counties. 106K
LARAMIE & ROCK SPRINGS
Uinta, Sweetwater, Carbon, Albany Counties. 106K
CHEYENNE
Laramie County. 82K
CASPER
Natrona, Converse, Goshen, Platte, and Niobrara Counties. 103K
GILLETTE & SHERIDAN
Big Horn, Campbell, Crook, Johnson, Sheridan, Washakie, and Weston Counties. 100K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 06:54:01 AM
Nevada - 1,998 mio inhabitants. 20 seats.
Clark County has 1,376 mio inhabitants and gets 14 seats.
Washoe County has 339K inhabitants and gets three seats.
The remainder of the state has 283K inhabitants and gets three seats.

SPARKS (& PYRAMID LAKE, or & WASHOE NORTH)
High Desert, Pyramid Lake, Warm Springs - Truckee Canyon, Sun Valley, Sparks CCDs of Washoe County. 102 K. Perhaps plus 3K of Reno North CCD that are outside Reno city limits, including 2K that are inside Sparks city limits.
RENO EAST
Bulk of Reno North and Reno South East CCDs. 126K -x.
RENO WEST
Not nearly as urban as Reno East. Incline Village, Washoe Valley, Reno South West, Verdi and North Valleys CCDs. Plus a bit of either Reno North or Reno South East probably. 112K plus x.
CARSON CITY
Carson City, Douglas County. 93K.
PAHRUMP & NEVADA WEST
Lyon, Storey, Mineral, Churchill, Esmeralda and Nye Counties. 100K. This district includes 30% of the surface area of Nevada. Pahrump is a Las Vegas exurb of 24K inhabitants that is just over the county line in Nye.
ELKO & NEVADA NORTH EAST
Elko, Eureka, Humboldt, Lander, Lincoln, Pershing and White Pine Counties. 89K. This district includes 56% of the surface area of Nevada. Half the population is in Elko County.
CLARK COUNTY
CCD's are no use as they include Clark (50K) and Las Vegas (1,326mio).
However, city boundaries are in parts quite sane:
Henderson, 176K - 2 seats
Las Vegas, 478K, and Winchester, 27K - 5 seats together
North Las Vegas, 115K - 1 seat
Paradise, 186K - 2 seats
Spring Valley, 117K - 1 seat
Sunrise Manor, 156K, Nellis AFB, 9K, and Whitney, 18K - 2 seats together
That leaves 94K for an outer Clark County seat with a geographical name (MOAPA VALLEY & HOOVER DAM perhaps). However, there are some enclaves to iron out to make districts contiguous. If this pushes population below 80K, the remaining population will have to be gained by splitting either North Las Vegas or Spring Valley (as both are oversized and on the edge of the urbanized area.)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 07:23:16 AM
Utah
2,233 mio inhabitants
22 seats

Wasatch Front counties have 18 seats together (Cache 1, Weber 2, Davis 2, Salt Lake 9, Utah 4.) Washington County in the far SW of the state has another seat. That leaves three seats for rural Utah.

LOGAN
Cache County. 91K
OGDEN
Part of Ogden CCD (180K) of Weber County (197K), including all the city of Ogden (77K).
WEBER
Remainder of Weber County. Though it's not a geographical name actually, it's unique as a county name.
LAYTON
Most of North Davis CCD (150K) of Davis County (239K)
BOUNTIFUL
Remainder of North Davis CCD; South Davis CCD (89K).
SALT LAKE 1-9
CCD's are not helpful as four minor CCD's, two to the West, two to the East, have just 59K together.
Major places that would likely be included in constituency names are Salt Lake City (182K, two or perhaps more constituencies would bear this name), West Valley City (109K), Sandy (86K), Taylorsville (57K), West Jordan (54K).
PROVO
OREM
Provo-Orem CCD of Utah County. 190K (Provo city has 105K, Orem city 84K. Obviously part of Provo would have to be in the Orem seat.)
LEHI & AMERICAN FORK
American Fork - Pleasant Grove and Lehi CCDs. 98K.
SPRINGVILLE & SPANISH FORK
Goshe, Spanish Fork - Payson, and Springville - Mapleton CCDs, ie remainder of Utah County. 81K.
GREAT SALT LAKE
Box Elder, Tooele, Juab and Sanpete Counties. 115K. This district includes 22% of Utah's surface area. Sanpete included (creating an ugly boundary line) to avoid splitting a county.
WASATCH MOUNTAINS
Rich, Morgan, Summit, Wasatch, Duchesne, Daggett, Uintah and Carbon Counties. 114K. This district includes 17% of Utah's surface area.
UTAH SOUTH
Remainder of state except for Washington County. 120K. This district includes 52% of Utah's surface area.
SAINT GEORGE
Washington County. 90K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 09:33:13 AM
Arizona.
5,131 mio inhabitants.
51 seats.
And some very troubled geography.

Theoretical entitlements:
Cochise - 118K. 1 seat
Coconino - 116K. 1 seat
Maricopa - 3072K. 31 seats
Mohave - 155K. 1+1 seat.
Navajo - 97K. 1 seat
Pima - 844K. 8 seats
Pinal - 180K. 2 seats
Yavapai - 168K. 2 seats
Yuma - 160K. 2 seats.

That leaves 222K people with one seat and part of one...plus, a look at where they're located.
La Paz County (20K) is the only minor county bordering Mohave and will have to be paired with that, making the are worth two seats.
Santa Cruz County (38K) borders only Pima and Cochise County. I've paired it with Pima County, which leaves us with no seats available for 163K people (in a contiguous area).
I paired Gila County (51K) with Maricopa County, which does not create an extra seat, but still leaves me with 112K people (in Apache, Greenlee and Graham Counties) without a seat for them.
I've decided to pair Mohave and La Paz Counties with Yuma County, making 335K people and three seats. That way I had a seat available for eastern Arizona again.
Finally, under this plan the Navajo country would be in three seats (Coconino, Navajo, and Apache Greenlee Graham), making up a majority portion of none of these seats (barely, in the last case). I've decided to create a Navajo & Hopi Reservations seat instead. The remainder of Coconino is still large enough for its own seat. The remainder of Navajo County is paired with the remainder of Apache Greenlee Graham to make up one seat - except that that seat is slightly over 120K, so I chopped off part of Navajo County and added it to the Coconino seat.

BULLHEAD CITY & LAKE HAVASU CITY
The misleadingly-named Kingman South CCD of Mohave County, minus its unpopulated east. Slightly less than 98K inhabitants.
YUMA
Virtually all of Yuma County's Yuma CCD (123K).
LOWER COLORADO
Remainder of Yuman and Mohave counties, La Paz County. District includes state's Northwestern and Southwestern corner. 114K plus areas gained from other two seats' CCDs.
PRESCOTT
Most of the population of Prescott CDP (96K), incl. all of the cities of Prescott (34K) and Prescott Valley (23K).
YAVAPAI
Remainder of Yavapai County (72K plus some rural Prescott CDP people).
FLAGSTAFF
Coconino County except areas on Navajo and Hopi Reservations; Little Colorado CCD of Navajo County. 101K.
NAVAJO & HOPI RESERVATIONS
What the name says (inside Arizona only, of course). 111K (27K from Coconino, 31K from Navajo, 53K from Apache).
SNOWFLAKE & SAN CARLOS
Remainder of Navajo and Apache counties; Greenlee and Graham counties. 106K.
COCHISE
Cochise County. 118K.
PAPAGO & ARIVACA
All of Pima County outside of Tucson CCD. 87K.
TUCSON 1-5
CASAS ADOBES
CATALINA FOOTHILLS
Seats entirely within Tucson CCD (756K). Tucson city has 487K. Casas Adobes and Catalina Foothills are largest suburbs, at about 50K each.
NOGALES (& add some Tucson outer suburban name here, if you prefer)
Remainder of Tucson CCD; Santa Cruz County (38K).
FLORENCE & APACHE JUNCTION
Florence, San Manuel, and North Pinal CCDs of Pinal County. 98K
CASA GRANDE
Remainder of Pinal County. 82K
WICKENBURG & GILA BEND
Wickenburg, Buckeye, and Gila Bend CCDs of Maricopa County. 85K
PHOENIX CCD 1-26
Populations of cities would allow for 13 Phoenix seats, 4 Mesa seats, 1 Gilbert seat, 2 Glendale seats, 2 Scottsdale seats, 1+1 Tempe seat, 1 Peoria seat (almost, actually), and 1+1 seat in smaller towns and unincorporated areas. Whether this would actually work out depends somewhat on where the cities are located.
CHANDLER WEST
CHANDLER EAST
Chandler (216K) and Saint John's (3K) CCDs. City of Chandler has 152K.
DEER VALLEY
Only part of Deer Valley CCD (149K). One problem is that much of the area is actually incorporated into Phoenix, Peoria, and Glendale.
SALT RIVER
Remainder of Deer Valley CCD; Tonto and Salt River CCDs; Gila County. 211K together for these two seats.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 10:21:01 AM
New Mexico.
1,819 Mio inhabitants.
18 seats.

Theoretical entitlements:
Bernalillo 557K - 6 seats. I ended up pairing this with Valencia (66K) however.
Dona Ana - 175K - 2 seats.
Sandoval - 90K. 1 seat.
San Juan - 114K. 1 seat.
Santa Fe - 129K. 1 seat & part of one.
Left me with 756K (or 690K after Valencia) for 6 seats and a (large) part of one.

I'm not comfy with a few of the pairings below, and if someone (yes, looking at you) can produce a better outline you're totally welcome to post it.

SHIPROCK & FARMINGTON
San Juan County. 114K.
GALLUP & ZUNI
McKinley & Cibola counties. 101K.
SANDOVAL
Sandoval County. 90K
SANTA FE
Santa Fe and Santa Fe South CCDs of Santa Fe County. 112K.
TAOS & LOS ALAMOS
Santa Fe North CCD; Los Alamos, Rio Arriba, and Taos counties. 106K
LAS VEGAS & TUCUMCARI
Colfax, Mora, San Miguel, Harding, Union, Quay, Guadalupe, Torrance, and DeBaca counties. 88K.
CLOVIS & HOBBS
Curry, Roosevelt, Lea counties. 119K
ROSWELL & CARLSBAD
Chaves, Eddy. 113K.
ALAMOGORDO & SOCORRO
Otero, Lincoln, and Socorro counties. 99K.
LAS CRUCES
Las Cruces CCD of Dona Ana County. 87K.
DONA ANA
Remainder of Dona Ana County. 88K.
SILVER CITY
Sierra, Catron, Grant, Luna, Hidalgo counties. 84K.
VALENCIA & ISLETA
Valencia County; Isleta Pueblo, Bernalillo East, Bernalillo West CCDs of Bernalillo County. 88K.
ALBUQUERQUE 1-5 (cardinal points)
Albuquerque CCD. 535K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 29, 2005, 12:10:44 PM
COLORADO
4,301 mio inhabitants. 43 seats.

Theoretical entitlements:
Mesa 116, 1 seat
Weld 180, 2 seats
Larimer 251, 3 seats
Boulder 291, 3 seats (notice I'm using 2000 figures, before Broomfield County was created)
Denver 555, 6 seats
Adams 363, 4 seats
Arapahoe 488, 5 seats
Jefferson 527, 5 seats
Douglas 176, 2 seats
El Paso 517, 5 seats
Pueblo 141, 1+1 seats

Problem is, that leaves me with 694K people and 5 seats and part of one. I had to fuse either Denver and Adams or Larimer and Weld to get an additional seat out to rural Colorado. Went with the former.

GLENWOOD SPRINGS & COLORADO NORTH WEST
Moffat, Routt, Jackson, Rio Blanco, Garfield, Grand. 97K
GRAND JUNCTION
Mesa. 116K
EAGLE - CENTRAL CITY
Gilpin, Clear Creek, Summit, Eagle, Park, Lake. 103K
ASPEN - MONTROSE
Pitkin, Gunnison, Chaffee, Delta, Montrose. 106K
DURANGO & COLORADO SOUTH WEST
Ouray, San Miguel, Dolores, Montezuma, San Juan, La Plata, Hinsdale, Archuleta, Mineral. 94K
CANON CITY
Teller, Fremont, Custer, Saguache, Rio Grande. 104K
PUEBLO
Pueblo CCD of Pueblo County. 107K
TRINIDAD & COLORADO SOUTH EAST
Remainder of Pueblo County; Conejos, Costilla, Huerfano, Las Animas, Otero, Baca, Bent, Prowers. 111K
COLORADO SPRINGS 1-3 (cardinal points)
COLORADO SPRINGS (SOUTH) WEST & PIKES PEAK
Colorado Springs CCD (352K), plus included in the last one Pikes Peak, Cheyenne Mountain, and Fountain CCDs (69K together). 421K together
CIMARRON HILLS & AIRFORCE ACADEMY
Black Forest - Peyton, Elsmere, South East El Paso, Monument CCDs. 96K
COLORADO EAST
Logan, Segwick, Phillips, Yuma, Washington, Kit Carson, Cheyenne, Lincoln, Elbert, Kiowa, Crowley, Morgan. 113K. It's amazing how empty Eastern Colorado is.
GREELEY
Greeley CCD of Weld County. 99K
WELD (or geographical term)
Remainder of Weld County. 81K
LOVELAND - BERTHOUD
Loveland and Berthoud CCDs of Larimer County. 84K
FORT COLLINS EAST
FORT COLLINS WEST
Remainder of Larimer County. 168K together. 27K from CCDs other than Fort Collins included in West seat.
LONGMONT
Longmont and Upper Saint Vrain CCDs of Boulder County. 86K
BOULDER (WEST)
Bald Mountain CCD, most of Boulder CCD of Boulder County. 125K -x.
LAFAYETTE & LOUISVILLE (or LAFAYETTE & BOULDER EAST)
Lafayette - Louisville CCD (79K), plus areas from Boulder CCD.
DENVER 1-5
Yeah, well, 5 seats. Cardinal or neighborhood names.
WEST ADAMS 1 & 2
Two seats inside the West Adams CCD (260K) of Adams County. Thornton would definitely go into one name. Westminster might go into the other. (Denver area city boundaries have nothing in common with county boundaries. Lots of cities are half in one county, half in another. I don't know why.)
DENVER / WEST ADAMS
Obviously the name's not going to stand, but this is the seat cutting across the city line.
BRIGHTON & COMMERCE CITY
Brighton, Commerce City, North Aurora, and East Adams CCDs. 104K
LITTLETON
SOUTHGLENN
Southwest Arapahoe CCD. 183K
AURORA 1-3 (cardinal points)
South Aurora CCD (298K, of which 236K inside the city). And, included in one district, East Arapahoe (8K).
LAKEWOOD NORTH (or WEST)
LAKEWOOD SOUTH (or EAST)
ARVADA
SOME OTHER NAME
inside the North East Jefferson CCD (450K)
GOLDEN
Remainder of Jefferson County (77K from Golden, Central Jefferson, and South Jefferson CCDs, plus a bit from NE Jefferson)
SEDALIA
Sedalia CCD of Douglas County. 97K
PARKER & CASTLE ROCK
CCDs of said names. 79K. Douglas County is one of the fastest growing in the nation, so I won't bother with the slight discrepancy.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 30, 2005, 03:56:24 AM
Changed some seat names in the Mountains.
I'll have to transfer Sierra County out of the Alamogordo seat, it's divided from the remainder of the seat by a missile range. Probably exchange it for Socorro.
Edit: Done.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 30, 2005, 04:36:27 AM
NORTH DAKOTA
642K inhabitants, 6 seats

FARGO
Fargo and West Fargo cities of Cass County. 106K
JAMESTOWN & WAHPETON
Remainder of Cass County; Richland, Sargent, Ransom, Dickey, La Moure, Barnes, Traill, Steele, Griggs, Foster, Eddy, Nelson, Stutsman counties. 114K
GRAND FORKS (& DEVILS LAKE)
Grand Forks, Wash, Pembina, Cavalier, Ramsey, Towner counties. 107K
BISMARCK
Burleigh, Emmons, McLean, Sheridan, Wells, Kidder, Logan, McIntosh, Benson, Pierce counties. 109K
MINOT
Ward, Renville, Mountrail, Burke, Divide, Williams, Bottineau, McHenry, Rolette counties. 120K
DICKINSON & MANDAN
All the counties to the SW of the Missouri River. 89K.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 30, 2005, 05:21:58 AM
SOUTH DAKOTA
755K
8 seats

I've successfully played my hand at racial gerrymandering! :)

RAPID CITY
Rapid City, Box Elder cities, Keytone town, Central Pennington, Rapid City East, Mount Rushmore CCDs (not everywhere in South Dakota is split completely into townships...many counties in the western part of the state are not) 83K
SPEARFISH & BLACK HILLS
Remainder of Pennington County (just 6K...I could have left it complete...look at a map and at the county's comprising this and the next district to understand why I didn't); Custer, Fall River, Meade, Lawrence, Butte, Harding, Perkins Counties. 79K, but decided to let it go
DAKOTA
Shannon, Bennett, Jackson, Todd, Haakon, Ziebach, Dewey, Corson, Mellette, Jones, Lyman, Tripp, Gregory, Buffalo, Charles Mix, Stanley, Brule. 80K.
All the major Dakota reserves in the state are here. The district has 68% of the state's Native American population and is 53% Native American. And it doesn't look like a gerrymander.
PIERRE & ABERDEEN
Hughes, Sully, Hyde, Hand, Potter, Faulk, Walworth, Campbell, Edmunds, McPherson, Brown, Spink. 87K
WATERTOWN & BROOKINGS
Marshall, Day, Roberts, Grant, Deuel, Codington, Clark, Hamlin, Brookings, Kingsbury. 103K
MITCHELL & HURON
Beadle, Jerauld, Aurora, Sanborn, Miner, Davison, Hanson, McCook, Lake, Moody, Douglas counties, and all of Minnehaha County outside Sioux Falls city limits. 108K
SIOUX FALLS
City of Sioux Falls. 117K
YANKTON
Hutchinson, Turner, Lincoln, Bonhomme, Yankton, Clay, Union counties. 97K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Platypus on April 30, 2005, 05:55:55 AM
whilst I appreciate you doing this, the prblem with naming seats after twons is that it doesn't cover the whole seat. For example, when it was created Kalgoorlie was just the town, which was bigger as a % back in 1901 then it is now. It now spreads throughout practically th whole WA outback. It's probably the only case of this problem in Australia. But you look at seats in Canada like that Kenowa-something one-what about all the other areas? Calling the seat "Rural Ontario Central West" would be more accurate, but rather boring. Naming it after a community leader in the area, or a river, etc., is much better imho.

I live in a relativekly boringly-named seat, Melbourne Ports, which sorta kinda suffers the smae probelms as Kalgoorlie. When it was created, it basically only covered Port Melbourne, the dockyards, South Melbourne and Albert Park-the area the port's workers lived in, basically, and where the Port asolutely dominated life. Now it spreads right along the bay, although it is still a reasonable name because it is basically the whole inner city shorline. Anyway, names that are based on locations generally=bad.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 30, 2005, 10:36:24 AM
Names based on localities = not perfect, but certainly a billion times better than the despiseable and Australian habit of naming them after people.
:)
Yeah, I'd actually like a few more mountain, river etc names than I have. Problem is, you can't use large rivers all that much because they are in lots and lots of constituencies, and with smaller rivers...well, they usually don't cover the area any better...and I often don't know what they are...
Anyways naming a district after two towns rather than one at least conveys a reasonable picture of where the seat is. For example, take Pierre & Aberdeen in SD. Not only are they the two largest urban areas in the district, with about 40% of its total population together, but they're very near its SWern and NEern ends. (Aberdeen is larger than Pierre btw. My normal practice would be to name the seat Aberdeen & Pierre. I went with Pierre & Aberdeen because Pierre is the state capital.)



Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on April 30, 2005, 12:18:46 PM
Nebraska
1,711 mio inhabitants.
17 seats.

Lancaster - just over 250K, 3 seats
Douglas - 463K, 5 seats
Sarpy - 123K, 1 seat and part of one. Combined Douglas and Sarpy to form six seats.

OMAHA 1-4 (cardinal points)
Yeah, well. City of Omaha (390K), plus some enclaves from McArdle precinct (Nebraskan for township)
ELKHORN CITY & RICHLAND
Remainder of Douglas County, Forest City, Melia & Forest City, and Richland precincts of Sarpy County. 93K
BELLEVUE & PAPILLION
Remainder of Sarpy County. 103K
LANCASTER SOUTH
LANCASTER NORTH WEST
LANCASTER NORTH EAST
The city has 226K of county's 250K inhabitants. The remainder is organized in 4*6=24 precincts, which would all be square except that 4 of them have most of their territory and two more some of their territory removed to make Lincoln city. 7 should go into NW, 7 into NE, 10 into S, as in: first to third (e-to-w) tier: 2 NW, 2 NE. fourth tier: 1 NW, 2 S, 1 NE. fifth & sixth tier: S. The fleabitten ones are the middle ones in the second tier. The heavily fleabitten ones are the middle ones in the third & fourth tiers. Hope this description makes sense.
BEATRICE & PLATTSMOUTH
Cass, Otoe, Nemaha, Richardson, Pawnee, Johnson, Gage, Jefferson, Thayer, Saline. 115K
FREMONT & YORK
Fillmore, Seward, York, Polk, Butler, Sanders, Colfax, Dodge. 119K
NORFOLK & BLAIR
Washington, Burt, Cuming, Stanton, Madison, Platte, Boone, Nance. 120K
(SOUTH SIOUX CITY &) NIOBRARA RIVER
Thurston, Wayne, Dakota, Pierce, Dixon, Cedar, Antelope, Knox, Holt, Boyd, Rock, Keya Paha, Brown. 99K
GRAND ISLAND & HASTINGS
Hall, Adams, Clay, Nuckolls, Merrick, Hamilton. 114K
KEARNEY & BROKEN BOW
Dawson, Buffalo, Custer, Sherman, Valley, Blaine, Loup, Garfield, Wheeler, Greeley, Howard. 101K
NORTH PLATTE & McCOOK
Perkins, Lincoln, Chase, Hayes, Dundy, Hitchcock, Red Willow, Frontier, Gosper, Furnas, Phelps, Harlan, Franklin, Kearney, Webster. 98K
SCOTTS BLUFF & OGALLALA
Scotts Bluff, Banner, Kimball, Morrill, Cheyenne, Garden, Deuel, Sioux, Dawes, Box Butte, Sheridan, Cherry, Grant, Hooker, Thomas, Arthur, McPherson, Logan, Keith. 109K




Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on April 30, 2005, 01:31:56 PM
Your system makes a case for a single state of Dakota (pop 1397 K, 14 seats).  :)

NORTH DAKOTA
642K inhabitants, 6 seats

FARGO
Fargo and West Fargo cities of Cass County. 106K
Leave as is - 106 K

Quote
JAMESTOWN & WAHPETON
Remainder of Cass County; Richland, Sargent, Ransom, Dickey, La Moure, Barnes, Traill, Steele, Griggs, Foster, Eddy, Nelson, Stutsman counties. 114K
JAMESTOWN & DEVILS LAKE
Add McHenry, Rolette, Pierce, Benson, Ramsey, remove Nelson, Richland, Ransom, Sargent, Dickey, LaMoure, remainder of Cass - 98 K

Quote
GRAND FORKS (& DEVILS LAKE)
Grand Forks, Wash, Pembina, Cavalier, Ramsey, Towner counties. 107K
GRAND FORKS
Add Nelson, remove Ramsey - 99 K

Quote
BISMARCK
Burleigh, Emmons, McLean, Sheridan, Wells, Kidder, Logan, McIntosh, Benson, Pierce counties. 109K
Remove Benson, Pierce - 97 K
 
Quote
MINOT
Ward, Renville, Mountrail, Burke, Divide, Williams, Bottineau, McHenry, Rolette counties. 120K
Remove Rolette and McHenry - 100 K

Quote
DICKINSON & MANDAN
All the counties to the SW of the Missouri River. 89K.
Add (from SD) Corson, Dewey, Ziebach - 102 K
This puts together the Standing Rock Reservation.


SOUTH DAKOTA
755K
8 seats

RAPID CITY
Rapid City, Box Elder cities, Keytone town, Central Pennington, Rapid City East, Mount Rushmore CCDs (not everywhere in South Dakota is split completely into townships...many counties in the western part of the state are not) 83K
Use all of Pennington, add Custer, Fall River - 104 K

Quote
SPEARFISH & BLACK HILLS
Remainder of Pennington County (just 6K...I could have left it complete...look at a map and at the county's comprising this and the next district to understand why I didn't); Custer, Fall River, Meade, Lawrence, Butte, Harding, Perkins Counties. 79K, but decided to let it go
SPEARFISH
Add Haakon, Stanley, Jones, Shannon, Jackson, Bennett, Todd, Mellette, remove Pennington, Custer, Fall River - 94 K

Quote
DAKOTA
Shannon, Bennett, Jackson, Todd, Haakon, Ziebach, Dewey, Corson, Mellette, Jones, Lyman, Tripp, Gregory, Buffalo, Charles Mix, Stanley, Brule. 80K.
All the major Dakota reserves in the state are here. The district has 68% of the state's Native American population and is 53% Native American. And it doesn't look like a gerrymander.
MITCHELL & HURON
Add Beadle, Jerauld, Aurora, Sanborn, Davison, Douglas, Hanson, Miner, Kingsbury, remove Corson, Dewey, Ziebach, Haakon, Stanley, Jones, Shannon, Jackson, Bennett, Todd, Mellette - 90 K


Quote
PIERRE & ABERDEEN
Hughes, Sully, Hyde, Hand, Potter, Faulk, Walworth, Campbell, Edmunds, McPherson, Brown, Spink. 87K
Add (from ND) Dickey, LaMoure - 97 K

Quote
WATERTOWN & BROOKINGS
Marshall, Day, Roberts, Grant, Deuel, Codington, Clark, Hamlin, Brookings, Kingsbury. 103K
WATERTOWN
Add (from ND) Richland, Ransom, Sargent, remainder of Cass, remove Brookings, Kingsbury, Hamlin, Deuel, Clark - 101 K

Quote
MITCHELL & HURON
Beadle, Jerauld, Aurora, Sanborn, Miner, Davison, Hanson, McCook, Lake, Moody, Douglas counties, and all of Minnehaha County outside Sioux Falls city limits. 108K
BROOKINGS
Add Brookings, Hamlin, Deuel, Clark, remove Beadle, Jerauld, Aurora, Sanborn, Davison, Douglas, Hanson, Miner  - 97 K

Quote
SIOUX FALLS
City of Sioux Falls. 117K
Leave as is - 117 K

Quote
YANKTON
Hutchinson, Turner, Lincoln, Bonhomme, Yankton, Clay, Union counties. 97K
Leave as is - 97 K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on April 30, 2005, 06:06:33 PM
When you get to IL, within Chicago the easiest subdivisions are for "Community Areas". These are equivalent to groups of census tracts and are all named by their neighborhood. If you don't have the data, I can get it to you.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 01, 2005, 01:18:27 AM
whilst I appreciate you doing this, the prblem with naming seats after twons is that it doesn't cover the whole seat. For example, when it was created Kalgoorlie was just the town, which was bigger as a % back in 1901 then it is now. It now spreads throughout practically th whole WA outback. It's probably the only case of this problem in Australia. But you look at seats in Canada like that Kenowa-something one-what about all the other areas? Calling the seat "Rural Ontario Central West" would be more accurate, but rather boring. Naming it after a community leader in the area, or a river, etc., is much better imho.

I live in a relativekly boringly-named seat, Melbourne Ports, which sorta kinda suffers the smae probelms as Kalgoorlie. When it was created, it basically only covered Port Melbourne, the dockyards, South Melbourne and Albert Park-the area the port's workers lived in, basically, and where the Port asolutely dominated life. Now it spreads right along the bay, although it is still a reasonable name because it is basically the whole inner city shorline. Anyway, names that are based on locations generally=bad.

Um... Kelowna is in British Columbia not Ontario. And naming districts after people is just dumb for the geographers at heart.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 01, 2005, 01:48:15 PM
whilst I appreciate you doing this, the prblem with naming seats after twons is that it doesn't cover the whole seat. For example, when it was created Kalgoorlie was just the town, which was bigger as a % back in 1901 then it is now. It now spreads throughout practically th whole WA outback. It's probably the only case of this problem in Australia. But you look at seats in Canada like that Kenowa-something one-what about all the other areas? Calling the seat "Rural Ontario Central West" would be more accurate, but rather boring. Naming it after a community leader in the area, or a river, etc., is much better imho.

I live in a relativekly boringly-named seat, Melbourne Ports, which sorta kinda suffers the smae probelms as Kalgoorlie. When it was created, it basically only covered Port Melbourne, the dockyards, South Melbourne and Albert Park-the area the port's workers lived in, basically, and where the Port asolutely dominated life. Now it spreads right along the bay, although it is still a reasonable name because it is basically the whole inner city shorline. Anyway, names that are based on locations generally=bad.

Um... Kelowna is in British Columbia not Ontario. And naming districts after people is just dumb for the geographers at heart.
He was probably thinking of Kenora.
Anyways, Australians are doing that all the time.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 01, 2005, 01:49:19 PM
When you get to IL, within Chicago the easiest subdivisions are for "Community Areas". These are equivalent to groups of census tracts and are all named by their neighborhood. If you don't have the data, I can get it to you.
Yeah, do that. A map, too. The Census Bureau doesn't seem to provide that. It's still got a bit of time, though. I planned on doing the South first.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 01, 2005, 01:55:56 PM
Your system makes a case for a single state of Dakota (pop 1397 K, 14 seats).  :)
True, I noticed that too.

Quote
DICKINSON & MANDAN
All the counties to the SW of the Missouri River. 89K.
Add (from SD) Corson, Dewey, Ziebach - 102 K
This puts together the Standing Rock Reservation.
Quote
Standing Rock and Cheyenne River Reservations, actually. While they're both Sioux, they're not home to quite the same Sioux subgroups. Cheyenne River was settled by the Minneconjou, Sans Arc, and Two Kettle, and part of the confusingly named Blackfeet Sioux (all Northern Oglala subgroups). Standing Rock has the remainder of the Blackfeet Sioux, as well as most of Sitting Bull's own Hunkpapa (also a Northern Oglala group) and the bulk of the Yanktonai (not an Oglala group.) Anyways, I'd prefer to leave my little gerrymander intact. Maybe add Sioux County ND to the Dakota seat.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 01, 2005, 04:29:45 PM
Changed some seat names in the Mountains.
I'll have to transfer Sierra County out of the Alamogordo seat, it's divided from the remainder of the seat by a missile range. Probably exchange it for Socorro.
Edit: Done.

Interesting. What 'building blocks' are you using to create the districts, anyway? Counties and...?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 01, 2005, 08:24:02 PM
Theoretical entitlements:
Weld 180, 2 seats
Boulder 291, 3 seats (notice I'm using 2000 figures, before Broomfield County was created)
Adams 363, 4 seats
Jefferson 527, 5 seats
The Census Bureau estimates include a restatement of the April 2000 census figures to the current boundaries.

This gives:
Adams 348
Boulder 269
Broomfield 39
Jefferson 525
Weld 180

This makes your proposed pairing of Adams and Denver more reasonable (or you could keep them separate and give Adams 3 very large districts).  Boulder and Broomfield would be paired for 3 districts.   No adjustment to Weld or Jefferson is needed.

I have redone the outstate areas to take better account of things like mountain ranges and economic links.  Also, you left out Alamosa.

COLORADO NORTH WEST
Moffat, Routt, Jackson, Rio Blanco, Garfield, Pitkin 99K
(note that only all-year route out of Aspen is down the Roaring Fork Valley to Glenwood Springs.  A large share of Aspen ski workers live in Garfield County because Aspen is too expensive)
CENTRAL ROCKIES
Gilpin, Clear Creek, Summit, Eagle, Park, Grand 106K
(Added Grand, dropped Lake)
GRAND JUNCTION
Mesa 117K
COLORADO SOUTH WEST
Gunnison, Chaffee, Delta, Montrose, Ouray, San Miguel, Hinsdale, Montezuma, Dolores 112K
(not real happy about including Montezuma, but otherwise next district would be over).
SAN JUANS & SAN LUIS VALLEY
San Juan, La Plata, Archuleta, Mineral, Rio Grande, Conejos, Costilla, Alamosa, Saguache 101K
UPPER ARKANSAS
Teller, Fremont, Chaffee, Custer, Lake 94K
PUEBLO
Pueblo CCD of Pueblo County. 107K
LOWER ARKANSAS & SANGRE DE CRISTO
Remainder of Pueblo County; Huerfano, Las Animas, Otero, Baca, Bent, Kiowa, Prowers. 110K
LOWER PLATTE & HIGH PLAINS
Logan, Segwick, Phillips, Yuma, Washington, Kit Carson, Cheyenne, Lincoln, Elbert, Morgan. 113K.

Quote
LONGMONT
Longmont and Upper Saint Vrain CCDs of Boulder County. 86K
BOULDER (WEST)
Bald Mountain CCD, most of Boulder CCD of Boulder County. 125K -x.
LAFAYETTE & LOUISVILLE (or LAFAYETTE & BOULDER EAST)
Lafayette - Louisville CCD (79K), plus areas from Boulder CCD.
If Broomfield is paired with Boulder County, then the former Adams County part of Broomfield would probably bring the Broomfield, Lafayette, & Louisville seat up to size without taking out areas nearer to Boulder.  This would then give you a Boulder (city) and mountains seat, and a Longmont seat, including Niwot if needed.

Quote
DENVER 1-5
Yeah, well, 5 seats. Cardinal or neighborhood names.
6 if separate from Adams.  Neighborhoods are too small.    Maybe two west of the Platte (NW and SW), then C, NE, S (or E depending on C) and SE.

Quote
WEST ADAMS 1 & 2
Two seats inside the West Adams CCD (260K) of Adams County. Thornton would definitely go into one name. Westminster might go into the other. (Denver area city boundaries have nothing in common with county boundaries. Lots of cities are half in one county, half in another. I don't know why.)
DENVER / WEST ADAMS
Obviously the name's not going to stand, but this is the seat cutting across the city line.
BRIGHTON & COMMERCE CITY
Brighton, Commerce City, North Aurora, and East Adams CCDs. 104K
If you were pairing Denver and Adams, I would look at pairing Aurora with Denver.  Aurora is isolated from the rest of the populated area north of Denver.  In any case, I suspect Aurora is the largest city in the Brighton & Commerce City district.

Quote
LITTLETON
SOUTHGLENN
Southwest Arapahoe CCD. 183K
AURORA 1-3 (cardinal points)
South Aurora CCD (298K, of which 236K inside the city). And, included in one district, East Arapahoe (8K).
Probably Littleton-Englewood, Centennial, and the 3 Aurora seats (South, Souther, and Southest).

Quote
LAKEWOOD NORTH (or WEST)
LAKEWOOD SOUTH (or EAST)
ARVADA
SOME OTHER NAME
inside the North East Jefferson CCD (450K)
GOLDEN
Remainder of Jefferson County (77K from Golden, Central Jefferson, and South Jefferson CCDs, plus a bit from NE Jefferson)
Wheat Ridge goes somewhere.  It probably makes most sense to have one western (foothills) seat, and stack the other four, north to south.  This would mean dividing Lakewood North and South.  But maybe this ends up with too much north of Lakewood, and not enough south?
Quote
SEDALIA
Sedalia CCD of Douglas County. 97K
PARKER & CASTLE ROCK
CCDs of said names. 79K. Douglas County is one of the fastest growing in the nation, so I won't bother with the slight discrepancy.
The first would be Highlands Ranch.  The town of Sedalia would fit better with Castle Rock.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 01:31:32 AM
Changed some seat names in the Mountains.
I'll have to transfer Sierra County out of the Alamogordo seat, it's divided from the remainder of the seat by a missile range. Probably exchange it for Socorro.
Edit: Done.

Interesting. What 'building blocks' are you using to create the districts, anyway? Counties and...?
the next level down. Basically after I've created and, in most cases, posted, the districts I'm looking at another, offline, more goegraphical map to see if what I've written makes any sense at all. In some of the worst cases, I've made changes afterwards.

Btw, when I wrote "that means you" in the NM article, I meant you.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 01:40:10 AM
Quote
Theoretical entitlements:
Weld 180, 2 seats
Boulder 291, 3 seats (notice I'm using 2000 figures, before Broomfield County was created)
Adams 363, 4 seats
Jefferson 527, 5 seats
The Census Bureau estimates include a restatement of the April 2000 census figures to the current boundaries.

This gives:
Adams 348
Boulder 269
Broomfield 39
Jefferson 525
Weld 180

This makes your proposed pairing of Adams and Denver more reasonable (or you could keep them separate and give Adams 3 very large districts).  Boulder and Broomfield would be paired for 3 districts.   No adjustment to Weld or Jefferson is needed.

I have redone the outstate areas to take better account of things like mountain ranges and economic links.  Also, you left out Alamosa.
Nebraska probably has some error somewhere as well. Too bored to find it.
Quote

COLORADO NORTH WEST
Moffat, Routt, Jackson, Rio Blanco, Garfield, Pitkin 99K
(note that only all-year route out of Aspen is down the Roaring Fork Valley to Glenwood Springs.  A large share of Aspen ski workers live in Garfield County because Aspen is too expensive)
CENTRAL ROCKIES
Gilpin, Clear Creek, Summit, Eagle, Park, Grand 106K
(Added Grand, dropped Lake)
GRAND JUNCTION
Mesa 117K
COLORADO SOUTH WEST
Gunnison, Chaffee, Delta, Montrose, Ouray, San Miguel, Hinsdale, Montezuma, Dolores 112K
(not real happy about including Montezuma, but otherwise next district would be over).
SAN JUANS & SAN LUIS VALLEY
San Juan, La Plata, Archuleta, Mineral, Rio Grande, Conejos, Costilla, Alamosa, Saguache 101K
UPPER ARKANSAS
Teller, Fremont, Chaffee, Custer, Lake 94K
PUEBLO
Pueblo CCD of Pueblo County. 107K
LOWER ARKANSAS & SANGRE DE CRISTO
Remainder of Pueblo County; Huerfano, Las Animas, Otero, Baca, Bent, Kiowa, Prowers. 110K
LOWER PLATTE & HIGH PLAINS
Logan, Segwick, Phillips, Yuma, Washington, Kit Carson, Cheyenne, Lincoln, Elbert, Morgan. 113K.

Quote
LONGMONT
Longmont and Upper Saint Vrain CCDs of Boulder County. 86K
BOULDER (WEST)
Bald Mountain CCD, most of Boulder CCD of Boulder County. 125K -x.
LAFAYETTE & LOUISVILLE (or LAFAYETTE & BOULDER EAST)
Lafayette - Louisville CCD (79K), plus areas from Boulder CCD.
If Broomfield is paired with Boulder County, then the former Adams County part of Broomfield would probably bring the Broomfield, Lafayette, & Louisville seat up to size without taking out areas nearer to Boulder.  This would then give you a Boulder (city) and mountains seat, and a Longmont seat, including Niwot if needed.

Quote
DENVER 1-5
Yeah, well, 5 seats. Cardinal or neighborhood names.
6 if separate from Adams.  Neighborhoods are too small.    Maybe two west of the Platte (NW and SW), then C, NE, S (or E depending on C) and SE.

Quote
WEST ADAMS 1 & 2
Two seats inside the West Adams CCD (260K) of Adams County. Thornton would definitely go into one name. Westminster might go into the other. (Denver area city boundaries have nothing in common with county boundaries. Lots of cities are half in one county, half in another. I don't know why.)
DENVER / WEST ADAMS
Obviously the name's not going to stand, but this is the seat cutting across the city line.
BRIGHTON & COMMERCE CITY
Brighton, Commerce City, North Aurora, and East Adams CCDs. 104K
If you were pairing Denver and Adams, I would look at pairing Aurora with Denver.  Aurora is isolated from the rest of the populated area north of Denver.  In any case, I suspect Aurora is the largest city in the Brighton & Commerce City district.
Most of Aurora is in Arapahoe. The part in Adams is only about a third of that district.
Yeah, it's probably a good idea to pair that area with Denver. Although for contiguity reasons, you'd probably have to include East Adams as well.
Quote
Quote
LITTLETON
SOUTHGLENN
Southwest Arapahoe CCD. 183K
AURORA 1-3 (cardinal points)
South Aurora CCD (298K, of which 236K inside the city). And, included in one district, East Arapahoe (8K).
Probably Littleton-Englewood, Centennial, and the 3 Aurora seats (South, Souther, and Southest).

Quote
LAKEWOOD NORTH (or WEST)
LAKEWOOD SOUTH (or EAST)
ARVADA
SOME OTHER NAME
inside the North East Jefferson CCD (450K)
GOLDEN
Remainder of Jefferson County (77K from Golden, Central Jefferson, and South Jefferson CCDs, plus a bit from NE Jefferson)
Wheat Ridge goes somewhere.  It probably makes most sense to have one western (foothills) seat, and stack the other four, north to south.  This would mean dividing Lakewood North and South.  But maybe this ends up with too much north of Lakewood, and not enough south?
I would have thought I already got one large Western seat (Golden)? Or do you mean another one east of it?
You probably do, from the sound of it.
Quote
Quote
SEDALIA
Sedalia CCD of Douglas County. 97K
PARKER & CASTLE ROCK
CCDs of said names. 79K. Douglas County is one of the fastest growing in the nation, so I won't bother with the slight discrepancy.
The first would be Highlands Ranch.  The town of Sedalia would fit better with Castle Rock.
So basically, split Sedalia CCD, move Sedalia city (and perhaps some adjoining territory) into Parker & Castle Rock, and rename seats? Okay, fine. Should be slightly more balanced.

Oh, and btw: Lower Arkansas and Lower Platte are not conceivable names for Colorado districts, since the areas that could be described by them are not in Colorado.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 03:25:42 AM
KANSAS
2,688 mio. 27 seats.
Wyandotte - 158K. 1+1 seats. Paired with Johnson.
Johnson - 451K. Should be 5 seats, is 4+1.
Douglas - 100K. 1 seat.
Shawnee - 170K. 2 seats.
Sedgwick - 453K. 5 seats.
Remainder - 1,357 mio. 13 seats. Yeah, that's just over half the population, but less than half the seats. Happened in Nebraska too. Similar stuff happened in a number of states, in fact. And is the main reason for pairings like Denver/Adams, or Wyandotte/Johnson where the rules would dictate pairing Wyandotte with rural country to the NW.

KANSAS CITY (KS) EAST
Part of Kansas City (147K)
KANSAS CITY (KS) WEST & SHAWNEE
Remainder of Wyandotte County including three small townships at its western end, Shawnee city, Shawnee township, Lake Quivira city. 207K for both seats.
LEAWOOD & MERRIAM
Leawood, Prairie Village, over half a dozen tiny "cities" and townships in the NEern corner of Johnson county, small part of northernmost Overland Park along US 69, Merriam city. 88K plus part of Overland Park.
OVERLAND PARK NORTH & LENEXA
Lenexa (40K), part of Overland Park (149K).
OVERLAND PARK SOUTH
Remainder of Overland Park, part of more rural areas to the south & west of Olathe (combined pop. 33K)
OLATHE
Olathe city, Olathe township (93K), plus part of more rural areas to the south & west.
LAWRENCE
Douglas county. 100K
TOPEKA NORTH
Part of Topeka city (122K), townships to the north of the Kansas river (18K)
TOPEKA SOUTH
Remainder of Topeka city, townships to the south of the Kansas river (30K)
LEAVENWORTH
Leavenworth, Jefferson, Atchison counties. 104K
KANSAS NORTH EAST
Doniphan, Brown, Jackson, Nemaha, Marshall, Pottawattomie, Washington, Republic, Cloud, and Jewell counties. 98K. No discernible urban area of any kind. This is farmland, with a very dispersed population. No defining river, either.
MANHATTAN
Riley, Clay, and Geary counties. 100K
SALINA
Dickinson, Saline, Ottawa, McPherson counties. 109K
EMPORIA & OTTAWA
Wabaunsee, Morris, Lyon, Chase, Marion, Osage, Coffey, Franklin counties. 116K
KANSAS EAST
Miami, Linn, Anderson, Bourbon, Allen, Crawford counties. 113K. A really ugly district. Much of the population is at the northern (KC far far exurban, without any major place names) and southern (where Crawford county fits much better with the next district, but is too large to be included in it) district.
PARSONS & COFFEYVILLE
Cherokee, Neosho, Labette, Montgomery counties. 99K
EL DORADO & UPPER VERDIGRIS RIVER
Wilson, Woodson, Greenwood, Elk, Chautauqua, Butler counties. 88K
WICHITA NORTH EAST
Part of the city (344K); Bel Aire city, Grant, Lincoln, Payne, Mineha, and Kechie townships (24K)
WICHITA NORTH WEST
Part of the city; Greeley, Eagle, Valley Center, Park, Union, Sherman, Attica, Garden Plain, Grand River, and Delano townships (21K)
WICHITA SOUTH WEST
Part of the city; Morton, Alton (hope I deciphered this right), Illinois, Waco, Ohio, Ninnescah, Viola, Erie townships (13K)
WICHITA CENTRAL
Part of the city
WICHITA SOUTH EAST & DERBY
Part of the city; Salem, Rockford, Riverside and Gypsum townships (50K)
WELLINGTON & FORT LARNED
Cowley, Sumner, Harper, Kingman, Barber, Pratt, Stafford, Comanche, Kiowa, Edwards, Pawnee counties. 103K. Most of the population is in Cowley and Sumner counties south of Wichita. Remainder of the district is west of Wichita on the High Plains. Fort Larned chosen to represent this area in the district name on account of historical importance.
DODGE CITY & GARDEN CITY
Finney, Hodgeman, Carey, Ford, Meade, Clark counties. 101K
HUTCHINSON & NEWTON
Reno and Harvey counties. 98K
GREAT BEND & HAYS
Rice, Ellsworth, Lincoln, Mitchell, Barton, Russell, Osborne, Smith, Rush, Ellis, Rocks, Phillips counties. 117K
(LIBERAL &) KANSAS WEST
25 counties all along the state's western boundary. 113K. Liberal is only majorish population hub and is situated at district's southeastern end.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 02, 2005, 04:14:05 AM
Quote
SEDALIA
Sedalia CCD of Douglas County. 97K
PARKER & CASTLE ROCK
CCDs of said names. 79K. Douglas County is one of the fastest growing in the nation, so I won't bother with the slight discrepancy.
The first would be Highlands Ranch.  The town of Sedalia would fit better with Castle Rock.
So basically, split Sedalia CCD, move Sedalia city (and perhaps some adjoining territory) into Parker & Castle Rock, and rename seats? Okay, fine. Should be slightly more balanced.
Probably Highlands Ranch (unincorporated) and Lone Tree (city) would be pretty close to enough.   The CCD in Colorado don't have any purpose other than for the census, and were defined when Douglas County was rural (population 3,500 in 1950).   Sedalia is a very old town which hasn't seen much growth at all.  Highlands Ranch was a ranch on the edge of the metropolitan area that was opened up to development in the past 20 years or so.

Quote
Oh, and btw: Lower Arkansas and Lower Platte are not conceivable names for Colorado districts, since the areas that could be described by them are not in Colorado.
Pulls out Colorado Year Book.  "Lower Arkansas Region".   Same counties as I included.  "Lower Platte" is the name of a high school sports conference in the area.  When you hold your hearing in Sterling, I bet the local folks agree.





Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 04:45:18 AM
Yeah, yeah, I know all that. Well, I figure people use those terms. But I'd want people from outside the region to be able to find it on a map, as well.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 05:12:42 AM
OKLAHOMA
3,451 mio inhabitants. 35 seats.

Tulsa - 563K. 6 seats
Oklahoma - 660K. 7 seats.
Cleveland - 208K. 2 seats
Canadian - 88K. 1 seat.
Comanche - 115K. 1 seat.

TULSA NORTH & OWASSO
TULSA WEST & SAND SPRINGS
3 more TULSA seats
BROKEN ARROW
CCDs are Tulsa (536K), North Tulsa (10K) and South Tulsa (17K) and are not particularly helpful. City of Tulsa has 387K. City of Broken Arrow (in the SE portion of the county) has 68K. Owasso and Sand Springs have about 20K each and are not right by Tulsa city limits. Tulsa North & Owasso constituency to include North Tulsa CCD. Broken Arrow to include South Tulsa CCD. Tulsa West & Sand Springs to include that western handle of Tulsa county, which is where Sand Springs is located.
BARTLESVILLE & MIAMI
Washington, Nowata, Craig, Ottawa. 108K
CLAREMORE & PRYOR CREEK
Rogers, Mayes. 109K
SALLISAW & GRAND LAKE O'CHEROKEES (what a stupid name. Problem is that Delaware county has a lot of people and no defining place. SALLISAW & OZARKS SOUTH WEST was the second best I came up with). Delaware, Adair, Sequoyah. 97K
COWETA & TAHLEQUAH
Wagoner, Cherokee. 100K
MUSKOGEE
Muskogee, McIntosh, Haskell. 100K
McALESTER & OKMULGEE
Okmulgee, Okfuskee, Hughes, Pittsburg. 110K
SAPULPA
Creek, Lincoln. 99K
PONCA CITY & OSAGE
Osage, Pawnee, Kay. 109K
STILLWATER & GUTHRIE
Logan, Payne. 102K
SHAWNEE
Pottawattomie, Seminole. 91K
ENID
Noble, Garfield, Grant, Kingfisher, Blaine. 100K
OKLAHOMA CITY 1-5 (cardinal points)
EDMOND
MIDWEST CITY
Oklahoma County, which is not subdivided into CCDs. City has 432K.
CANADIAN
Canadian county. 88K
MOORE & LAKE THUNDERBIRD
North Cleveland, East Cleveland, Lexington CCDs. 114K
NORMAN
Norman, Noble CCDs. 95K
WOODWARD & PANHANDLE
Cimarron, Texas, Beaver, Harper, Ellis, Woodward, Woods, Major, Dewey, Alfalfa. 93K
CLINTON & ALTUS
Beckham, Roger Mills, Custer, Greer, Harmon, Jackson, Tillman, Cotton counties. 102K
LAWTON
Comanche county. 115K
CHICKASHA & ANADARKO
Grady, Caddo, Wa shi ta, Kiowa counties. 98K
ARDMORE & DUNCAN
Jefferson, Stephens, Love, Carter counties. 105K
ADA & PAULS VALLEY
Murray, McClain, Garvin, Pontotoc. 103K
DURANT
Johnson, Marshall, Coal, Atoka, Bryan, Choctaw. 96K
OUACHITA MOUNTAINS
LeFlore, Latimer, McCurtain, Pushmataha. 105K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 02, 2005, 05:36:12 AM
ANADARKO
Grady, Caddo, Wash**ta, Kiowa counties. 98K
Is this like Sc**nthorpe, or related to Custer?

I'd name it Chickasha in any case.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 05:55:33 AM
ANADARKO
Grady, Caddo, Wash**ta, Kiowa counties. 98K
Is this like Sc**nthorpe, or related to Custer?

I'd name it Chickasha in any case.
Lol. Censorship of a place name. I guess I named it  like that because I've come across references to Anadarko a couple of times...happens when you read on current Native American affairs...the BIA headquarters for Oklahoma are here...as is a lot of museal stuff on Native Americans...and the county it's in is I think the most Indian in Western Oklahoma...CHICKASHA & ANADARKO will do fine.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 02, 2005, 06:33:57 AM
TEXAS (no, don't hold your breath, not done yet)
20,852 mio inhabitants
209 seats.

The following counties entitled to seats of their own:
1 Angelina, 80K
Victoria, 84K
Orange, 85K
Parker, 88K
Bowie, 89K
Guadalupe, 89K
Hays, 98K
Randall, 104K
Tom Green, 104K
Ellis, 111K
Grayson, 111K
Gregg, 111K
Potter, 114K
Midland, 116K
1+1 Ector, 121K
Johnson, 127K
Wichita, 132K
Brazos, 152K
2 Smith, 175K
Webb, 193K
McLennan, 214K
Bell, 238K
2+1 Brazoria, 242K
Lubbock, 243K
Williamson, 250K
3 Galveston, 250K
Jefferson, 252K
Montgomery, 294K
Nueces, 314K
Cameron, 335K
4 Fort Bend, 354K
Denton, 433K
5 Collin, 491K
6 Hidalgo, 569K
7 El Paso, 680K
8 Travis, 812K
14 Bexar, 1,393 mio
Tarrant, 1,446 mio
22 Dallas, 2,219 mio
34 Harris, 3,401 mio
...leaving 4,012 mio in the remaining 213 counties for 35 seats and part of 8. I've checked whether any of the +1 counties might be combined with other major counties, and will probably combine Galveston and Brazoria (492K, 5 seats, leaving 36+7) and Bell and Williamson (488K, 5 seats, leaving 35+6).


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 02, 2005, 12:50:42 PM
Changed some seat names in the Mountains.
I'll have to transfer Sierra County out of the Alamogordo seat, it's divided from the remainder of the seat by a missile range. Probably exchange it for Socorro.
Edit: Done.

Interesting. What 'building blocks' are you using to create the districts, anyway? Counties and...?
the next level down. Basically after I've created and, in most cases, posted, the districts I'm looking at another, offline, more goegraphical map to see if what I've written makes any sense at all. In some of the worst cases, I've made changes afterwards.

Btw, when I wrote "that means you" in the NM article, I meant you.

OK, got it. And I figured you were referring to me, I've just been (and likely will be for much of the next month) too busy to give this the attention it deserves. ;)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on May 02, 2005, 11:58:48 PM
whilst I appreciate you doing this, the prblem with naming seats after twons is that it doesn't cover the whole seat. For example, when it was created Kalgoorlie was just the town, which was bigger as a % back in 1901 then it is now. It now spreads throughout practically th whole WA outback. It's probably the only case of this problem in Australia. But you look at seats in Canada like that Kenowa-something one-what about all the other areas? Calling the seat "Rural Ontario Central West" would be more accurate, but rather boring. Naming it after a community leader in the area, or a river, etc., is much better imho.

I live in a relativekly boringly-named seat, Melbourne Ports, which sorta kinda suffers the smae probelms as Kalgoorlie. When it was created, it basically only covered Port Melbourne, the dockyards, South Melbourne and Albert Park-the area the port's workers lived in, basically, and where the Port asolutely dominated life. Now it spreads right along the bay, although it is still a reasonable name because it is basically the whole inner city shorline. Anyway, names that are based on locations generally=bad.

Um... Kelowna is in British Columbia not Ontario. And naming districts after people is just dumb for the geographers at heart.
He was probably thinking of Kenora.
Anyways, Australians are doing that all the time.

Hmm, well Kenora is named for Kenora District, not Kenora the town. However, kelowna would make sense in his analogy - sorta.

Anyways, this is really no fun without maps. Why go through all the trouble without trying to visually entertain us. I'm not American, I have trouble envisioning this without maps.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 04:17:02 AM
Yeah, me too. It's just that I don't know how to make them. And am not always working from the same computer.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 03, 2005, 05:12:54 AM
...leaving 4,012 mio in the remaining 213 counties for 35 seats and part of 8. I've checked whether any of the +1 counties might be combined with other major counties, and will probably combine Galveston and Brazoria (492K, 5 seats, leaving 36+7) and Bell and Williamson (488K, 5 seats, leaving 35+6).
I would pair Ector-Midland and Ellis-Johnson.  An overwhelming part of the population of Ector and Midland are in the cities of Odessa and Midland.  If you don't pair them, you will have part of the city of Odessa in a district with a bunch of counties with small towns between them.  Pair the two and you might have to stick part of one city with its neighbor.

Pairing Ellis and Johnson and you can pick cities on either side of the county line, and avoid having to go outside the DFW metro area for the second Johnson district.

The Williamson population is concentrate along the southern edge near Austin, while the Bell population is around Temple, and Killeen/Fort Hood.
On the other hand, it may not be reak easy to find a county to go with Williamson.  Can it be given a 3rd district?

The population centers in Galveston and Brazoria are split apart except for the Houston suburbs.

Another possiblity pairing would be Jefferson-Orange.  Beaumont will be a problem for 3 small seats, but OK for 3 large seats.  You could include Port Neches-Groves-Nederland area with Orange, and then have a Beaumont seat and a Port Arthur and everything else seat.





Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 05:35:18 AM
...leaving 4,012 mio in the remaining 213 counties for 35 seats and part of 8. I've checked whether any of the +1 counties might be combined with other major counties, and will probably combine Galveston and Brazoria (492K, 5 seats, leaving 36+7) and Bell and Williamson (488K, 5 seats, leaving 35+6).
I would pair Ector-Midland and Ellis-Johnson.  An overwhelming part of the population of Ector and Midland are in the cities of Odessa and Midland.  If you don't pair them, you will have part of the city of Odessa in a district with a bunch of counties with small towns between them.  Pair the two and you might have to stick part of one city with its neighbor.
Pairing Ellis and Johnson and you can pick cities on either side of the county line, and avoid having to go outside the DFW metro area for the second Johnson district.

Problem is...in both cases that'd mean shifting just a tiny part of the county into another district so that both districts are just about inside the population limit. (I actually thought about doing this.) 
I've paired Johnson County with areas to the West now - Hood (which would appear to be exurban in population structure), Somervell (which is tiny anyways), and Erath counties.
Then, it's not actually necessary to split the city of Odessa. Odessa CDP has 101K and seems to include all of the city. Of course, most of the remaining 20K is just outside city limits in an unincorporated place called West Odessa ...anyways these 20K serve me well to create a "rural Permian Basin" district... which brings me to one naming question: How far North does the "Permian Basin" extend? How far North and South does the Llano Estacado extend?

Quote
The Williamson population is concentrate along the southern edge near Austin, while the Bell population is around Temple, and Killeen/Fort Hood.
Yes, I noticed that. However, one Killeen seat, one Temple seat, two Just-outside-Austin seats, and one seat for the remainder works out reasonably well, except that I had to include Belton in it to bring it to just over 80K.

Quote
The population centers in Galveston and Brazoria are split apart except for the Houston suburbs.
which is where I located the boundary-crossing district. However, there is an alternative. Haven't checked how well it works out yet (I'll do it if you tell me to.) That would be to pair Brazoria and Fort Bend, let Galveston have three districts of its own.

Quote
Another possiblity pairing would be Jefferson-Orange.  Beaumont will be a problem for 3 small seats, but OK for 3 large seats.  You could include Port Neches-Groves-Nederland area with Orange, and then have a Beaumont seat and a Port Arthur and everything else seat.
I'd also have to create another rural district. :)
Going by CCD's Beaumont has 113K, E Jefferson has 116K, and three or four smaller ones have 22K. If pairing that with Orange was what you proposed, yeah, everything neat numberswise. It's not, though. The area you're pairing with Orange is the NWern part of "East Jefferson"...indeed it would have to be that area as those rural areas are SW of it. So I'd basically have to include them in the Port Arthur seat, then.
That's still somewhat neater then the best I could come up with with three seats* and Orange County its own seat, but not really neat enough to warrant violating the "rules" - especially as I don't need another district for rural Texas.

* A Beaumont North seat, a Port Arthur seat, and a Beaumont South - Texas Point seat to include the Southern fourth of Beaumont, the Nederland etc area SE of it, and the rural areas in the South and West of the county.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 05:53:07 AM
TEXAS
first enstalment - East Texas outside the metros.
20,852 mio
209 seats
TEXARKANA (& NEW BOSTON)
Bowie County. 89K
PARIS & SULPHUR SPRINGS
Lamar, Delta, Hopkins, Franklin, Red River. 108K
MOUNT PLEASANT (grateful for better name)
Titus, Morris, Camp, Upshur. 93K
MARSHALL
Harrison, Marion, Cass. 103K
LONGVIEW
Gregg. 111K
VAN ZANDT & UPPER SABINE
Van Zandt, Rains, Wood. 94K
TYLER
Tyler CDP. 88K (but just 69K of the city's 84K, oddly)
WHITEHOUSE & LINDALE (though the largest city is actually...Tyler. Numbers were to good to resist, though.)
Remainder of Smith County. 87K
SABINE RIVER
Panola, Shelby, San Augustine, Sabine, Jasper, Newton. 118K
NACOGDOCHES
Nacogdoches, Rusk. 106K
LUFKIN (or ANGELINA)
Angelina. 80K
BIG THICKET
Tyler, Polk, Hardin. 110K
HUNTSVILLE
Walker, San Jacinto, Trinity. 98K

Just noticed I forgot something. I decided to split Anderson County, pair part with Henderson, part with Cherokee and Houston. I haven't worked out yet where the split goes.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 06:25:07 AM
TEXAS
part two
CROCKETT, PALESTINE & JACKSONVILLE
Cherokee, Houston counties; Elkhart and Palestine CCDs of Anderson couny. 102K
ATHENS
Henderson county; Cayuga, Montalba - Tennessee Colony, and Frankston CCDs of Anderson county. 96K
HILLSBORO & CORSICANA
Navarro, Hill, Freestone. 95K
(MARLIN &) NAVASOTA RIVER
Falls, Limestone, Robertson, Leon, Madison, Grimes. 109K
COLLEGE STATION
North East Brazos, South Brazos CCDs, part of Bryan - College Station CCD in College Station. 89K
BRYAN & CAMERON
Part of Bryan - College Station CCD in Bryan, West Brazos CCD, Burleson, Milam counties. 103K
BRENHAM, HEMPSTEAD & BELLVILLE
Austin, Waller, Washington. 87K
ORANGE
Orange County. 85K
PORT ARTHUR
SW Part of East Jefferson CCD (116K)
BEAUMONT NORTH
Part of Beaumont CCD (113K)
BEAUMONT SOUTH & NEDERLAND
Remainder of both CCDs
Remainder of Jefferson County (22K) to be distributed shortly.
LOWER TRINITY
Liberty, Chambers. 96K
THE WOODLANDS
CONROE
South East Montgomery CCD. 208K
LAKE CONROE
Remainder of Montgomery county. 86K
BAYTOWN
Baytown, North East Harris CCDs. 113K
PASADENA EAST & LAPORTE
South East Harris CCD (82K), part of Pasadena CCD (136K)
PASADENA WEST
Remainder of Pasadena CCD.
HOUSTON 1-27 (would have to be named afer neighborhoods. Obviously.)
1,907 mio of this area's 2,665 mio are officially within city limits. There are no really major suburban towns.
NORTH WEST HARRIS 1-4 (place names, not cardinal points, obviously)
405 K together. Many very small suburban cities, much unincorporated land.

Plan A for Galveston/Brazoria/Fort Bend area. Plan B will be made if Jim tells me to.
GALVESTON
Galveston, Bolivar Peninsula, La Marque - Hitchcock CCDs. 87K
TEXAS CITY
Part of Texas City - League City CCD (163K). If possible, all but Friendswood and League City (66K together)
LEAGUE CITY - PEARLAND
Remainder of Texas City - League City CCD (and thus of Galveston county). city of Pearland from Alvin - Pearland CCD (109K) of Brazoria County.
This should be as close as coterminously possible to just Pearland, Friendswood, and League City (102K)
ANGLETON & ALVIN
Remainder of Alvin - Pearland CCD, Angleton - Rosharon CCD (40K)
LAKE JACKSON
Brazosport, Brazoria - West Columbia CCDs. 93K
MISSOURI CITY
Stafford - Missouri City CCD of Fort Bend county. 89K
SUGAR LAND (EAST)
Part of Sugar Land CCD (167K)
PECAN GROVE & MISSION BEND (or SUGAR LAND WEST, or PECAN GROVE & SUGAR LAND WEST)
Remainder.
ROSENBERG & RICHMOND. What's the county named for anyway?)
Remainder of the county. 98K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 07:40:50 AM
TEXAS
Part three

MATAGORDA BAY
Matagorda, Jackson, Calhoun, Aransas, Regugio. 103K
WHARTON, EAGLE LAKE & HALLETTSVILLE
Wharton, Colorado, Lavaca. 80K
BASTROP, GIDDINGS & LAGRANGE
Bastrop, Fayette, Lee. 96K
GONZALES & FLORESVILLE
Kramer, DeWitt, Wilson, Gonzales. 103K
VICTORIA
Victoria. 84K
SINTON & BEEVILLE
San Patricio, Bee, Goliad. 106K
CORPUS CHRISTI CENTRAL
CORPUS CHRISTI EAST & PORT ARANSAS
CORPUS CHRISTI WEST & ROBSTOWN
Nueces County. Corpus Christi CCD 269K is in all three districts. Port Aransas CCD 10K is in the eastern district. Remainder of county 35K is in the western district.
KINGSVILLE & ALICE
Duval, Jim Wells, Kleberg. 85K
ATASCOSA & NUECES RIVERS
Frio, La Salle, McMullen, Live Oak, Atascosa, Karnes. 88K
LAREDO NORTH
LAREDO SOUTH (& RIO BRAVO)
Webb County. 193K. Parts of Laredo CCD (143K) in both districts. South includes Bruni - Mirando CCD (40K, of which 25K actually in Laredo), North includes Webb CCD (10K)
RIO GRANDE CITY & RAYMONDSVILLE
Starr, Zapata, Jim Hogg, Brooks, Kenedy, Willacy. 99K
McALLEN
PHARR & SAN JUAN
McAllen - Pharr CCD of Hidalgo county. 208K
EDINBURG
Edinburg CCD. 98K or somewhat less (see below)
WESLACO & DONNA
South East Hidalgo CCD. 102K or somewhat less (see below)
MISSION
About 90K of Mission CCD (110K), the Alton area missing.
ELSA & SULLIVAN CITY
Remaining CCDs of Hidalgo County (52K), about 20K from Mission CCD, at least about 10K from either Edinburg or South East Hidalgo CCD. SE makes more sense numberswise, Edinburg geographically. Should be only from one of the two - no need to split both
HARLINGEN
Part of Harlingen - San Benito CCD (129K) of Cameron County
BROWNSVILLE (SOUTH)
Part of Brownsville city (136K) and CCD (164K).
BROWNSVILLE NORTH & SOUTH PADRE ISLAND
Remainder of both, remaining CCDs (42K)

I'm trapped! :) I'll have to restart from the North!

WICHITA FALLS
Wichita Falls CCD. 108K
GAINESVILLE & BURKBURNETT
Remainder of Wichita county, Archer, Clay, Montague, Cooke counties. 99K
GRAHAM & MINERAL WELLS
Palo Pinto, Jack, Wise, Young. 103K
SHERMAN & DENISON
Grayson. 111K
GREENVILLE & BONHAM
Hunt, Fannin. 108K
ROCKWALL & KAUFMAN
Rockwall, Kaufman. 114K
PLANO NORTH
PLANO SOUTH
PLANO EAST & ALLEN (geographical points might be off due to population distribution inside Plano)
Parts of Plano CCD (361K) - mostly cities of Plano (222K) and Allen (45K)
LAKE LAVON
Remainder of Plano CCD, Princeton, Farmersville, Nevada, Blue Ridge CCDs (29K)
McKINNEY
McKinney, Celina, Anna CCDs. 101K
HEBRON (or CARROLTON NORTH) - THE COLONY
Denton County CCDs of these names. 119K
Most of Hebron CCD is in Carrolton city, which crosses the county line.
LEWISVILLE
FLOWER MOUND
Lewisville (170K) and Justin - Roanoke (28K) CCDs. 198K together
DENTON
Denton, Pilot Point - Aubrey, Sanger CCDs. 117K
DALLAS 1-22 (neighborhood and suburb names)
CCDs are Northeast (14 seats) and Southwest (8 seats) and are not particularly helpful or anything. I think they split the county along the Trinity River. Northeast would have at least 8 Dallas seats, 2 Garland seats, 1 or 2 Mesquite seats, a Richardson seat, perhaps a Carrolton seat.
Southwest would have 4 Dallas seats, 2 Irving seats, 1 Grand Prairie seat, one seat combining two names from smaller Southern suburbs.
ARLINGTON 1-4 (city: 332/404K)
FORT WORTH 1-6 (city: 501/639K)
NORTH EAST TARRANT 1-4
Yeah well, those are the Tarrant County CCDs. NE has 403K. Possible name components in NE include Bedford, Euless, North Richland Hills, Grapevine, Haltom City, Hurst.
ENNIS & WAXAHACHIE
Ellis county. 111K
BURLESON - ALVARADO
Part of Johnson County: Alvarado, Burleson - Joshua, Grandview CCDs, Keene area of Cleburne CCD. 82K plus Keene area (>5K, both because of size of next seat and because that's the population of the town of Keene)
CLEBURNE & STEPHENVILLE
remainder of Cleburne CCD, Godley CCD, Hood, Somervell and Erath counties. 125K - at least 5K (see above)
WEATHERFORD
Parker. 88K
GATESVILLE & (? I thought of LOAN MOUNTAIN)
Bosque, Coryell, Hamilton, Comanche. 114K
BROWNWOOD & LAMPASAS
Brown, Mills, Lampasas, Burnet. 95K
WACO
Area included in both the city (129K) and the CCD (164K). 112K
HEWITT & CRAWFORD
Remainder of McLennan county. 102K
KILLEEN
Killeen CCD. 112K
TEMPLE
Temple, East Bell, North West Bell, Fort Hood CCDs. 90K
BELTON & TAYLOR
Belton, Rogers, South Bell, South West Bell CCDs; Florence, Granger, Jarrell, Taylor CCDs. 83K
GEORGETOWN & ROUND ROCK EAST
Part of Georgetown - Round Rock CCD (150K)
CEDAR PARK & ROUND ROCK WEST
Liberty Hill - Cedar Park CCD (53K), remainder of Georgetown - Round Rock CCD.
AUSTIN NORTH WEST & LAKEWAY
North West Travis and South West Travis CCDs. 99K (of which 47K are inside Austin city)
7 more AUSTIN seats
Austin CCD (668K, of which 593K inside city), North East Travis CCD (46K)
SAN MARCOS
Hays. 98K
NEW BRAUNFELS
Comal, Kendall. 102K
SEGUIN
Guadalupe. 89K
14 BEXAR / SAN ANTONIO seats.
San Antonio city has 1,144 mio. San Antonio CCD has 1,341 mio. Bexar SE and W CCDs have just 52K together.
KERRVILLE & HONDO (I actually thought of calling it HILL COUNTRY, but that's a wider area I think)
Kerr, Bandera, Medina. 101K
EAGLE PASS
Maverick, Dimmit, Zavala, Kinney, Uvalde. 98K
FREDERICKSBURG & SAN SABA RIVER
Concho, McCulloch, San Saba, Mason, Llano, Menard, Kimble, Schleicher, Sutton, Gillespie, Blanco, Edwards, Real. 86K
SAN ANGELO
Tom Green. 104K
ABILENE
Abilene CCD. 115K
COLEMAN & SWEETWATER
Remainder of Taylor; Mitchell, Nolan, Callahan, Coke, Runnels, Coleman, Eastland. 93K
VERNON, BRECKINRIDGE & SNYDER (or geographical term)
Scurry, Kent, Stonewall, Haskell, Fisher, Jones, Shackelford, Throckmorton, Stephens, Hardeman, Foard, Knox, Wilbarger, Baylor. 95K
UPPER CANADIAN (for want of better name, suggestions?)
First two tiers of Panhandle; Oldham, Deaf Smith. 101K
AMARILLO NORTH
Potter. 114K
AMARILLO SOUTH
Randall. 104K
PAMPA & PRAIRIE DOG TOWN FORK (for want of better name, suggestions?)
Carson, Gray, Wheeler, Armstrong, Donley, Collingsworth; entire fifth tier of Panhandle; Bailey, Motley, Cottle, Dickens, King. 97K
LUBBOCK WEST
LUBBOCK EAST
Lubbock CCD. 223K together
PLAINVIEW
Remainder of Lubbock county; Lamb, Hale, Floyd. 80K
LLANO ESTACADO SOUTH (is this even remotely correct? suggestions welcome)
Cochran, Hockley, Crosby, Yoakum, Terry, Lynn, Garza, Borden, Dawson, Gaines. 96K
MIDLAND
Midland county. 116K
ODESSA
Odessa CCD. 101K
PERMIAN BASIN (does the term extend this far?)
Remainder of Ector; Winkler, Loving, Ward, Crane, Upton, Glasscock, Reagan, Sterling, Howard, Martin, Andrews. 102K
DEL RIO & TRANS PECOS
Val Verde, Crockett, Irion, and all counties entirely west of the Pecos except El Paso. 106K
SOCORRO
El Paso East CCD. 104K
EL PASO NORTH EAST & FORT BLISS
Part of El Paso CCD (519K), El Paso NW and North Central CCDs (56K)
5 more EL PASO seats, cardinal points or neighborhoods. Remainder.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 11:03:04 AM
I've just noticed a serious error with this...plus another minor oversight. I'll post it anyways, for now, and get back to you.

LOUISIANA
4,469 mio. 45 seats

For some reasons, Louisiana's parishes are subdivided into numbered (or sometimes lettered) Districts. These presumably were of roughly equal size two or three decades ago, and are still in most cases roughly equal-ish now.
Anyways, I've used them as CCD's, except in Jefferson Parish where they got really ugly - but places worked very well.

A number of parishes entitled to seats of their own (you'll get to those). Rapides and Ouachita entitled to a seat plus part of one, combined with other parishes. Washington Parish cought between a rock (two of them actually - Tangipahoa and St Tammany Parishes) and a hard place (the State of Mississippi). Shares a district with part of St Tammany now.

SHREVEPORT NORTH
Caddo districts 3, 4, 5, 7. 82K
SHREVEPORT SOUTH
Districts 6, 8, 9, 10. 85K
SHREVEPORT WEST & CADDO LAKE
Districts 1, 2, 11, 12. 85K
BOSSIER
Bossier. 98K
NATCHITOCHES
De Soto, Red River, Sabine, Natchitoches. 97K
MINDEN & RUSTON
Webster, Claiborne, Lincoln. 101K
MONROE
Ouachita districts C, D, E, F. 91K
BASTROP & WEST MONROE
Districts A, B; Morehouse, Union parishes. 110K
WINNFIELD (only town of any note at all in this vast rural district, and in the center. They'd have picked that name in 1970's England. Nowadays? I'm not so sure)
Bienville, Jackson, Kramer, Winn, Grant, LaSalle, Catahoula. 103K
TENSAS RIVER
Richland, East Carroll, West Carroll, Madison, Franklin, Tensas, Concordia. 104K
ALEXANDRIA & LEESVILLE
Vernon Parish; Rapides districts D, E, F, G, I. 119K
MARKSVILLE & PINEVILLE
Avoyelles Parish; Rapides districts A, B, C, H. 102K. A, B, C is part of parish northeast of Red River. H is a vast rural district in the southern part.
VILLE PLATTE & DE RIDDER
Evangeline, Allen, Beauregard. 93K
LAKE CHARLES (or CALCASIEU) WEST
Calcasieu districts 1, 3, 5, 11-15. 17K of city's population. Outside the city, Calcasieu River is constituency boundary. 95K
LAKE CHARLES (or CALCASIEU) EAST
Districts 2, 4, 6-10. 89K (of which 54K inside city)
ABBEVILLE & JENNINGS
Vermilion, Jefferson Davis, Cameron. 95K
LAFAYETTE NORTH WEST
Districts A, B, E. 88K (including 40K of city)
LAFAYETTE SOUTH EAST
Districts C, D, F, G. 103K (including 70K of city)
OPELOUSAS
Saint Landry. 88K
NEW IBERIA
Iberia, Saint Martin. 123K
MORGAN CITY
Saint Mary, Assumption. 77K
This was the minor oversight: The separate Southern part of St Martin has to go into Morgan City. I didn't check whether it has the required population, though, or whether I have to eat into Iberia parish as well.
I have checked now and it's only about 1,600 people there (not yet included in pop. totals)
PLAQUEMINES & DONALDSONVILLE
Iberville, Ascension. 110K
LAC DES ALLEMANDS
Saint Charles, Saint James, Saint John the Baptist. 113K
HOUMA
Terrebonne. 105K
BAYOU LAFOURCHE
Lafourche. 90K
MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI
Plaquemines, Saint Bernard. 94K
NEW ORLEANS 1-5
Yeah, well, five seats. No districts offered here. I hope one can be called Algiers.
GRETNA
Gretna, Harvey, Timberland, Terrytown, Woodrose cities and CDPs. Hope I can still read my screed. 88K plus some unincorporated areas (16K across Jefferson parish, almost all of it here and in the next district)
MARRERO & JEAN LAFFITTE
Remaining cities and CDPs south of the Mississippi. 109K minus some unassigned areas.
KENNER
Kenner, River Ridge. 86K
METAIRIE NORTH
METAIRIE SOUTH & HARAHAN
Metairie (146K), Jefferson, Elmwood, Harahan (26K) in South district. 172K together (plus a sliver of unassigned land)
NEW ROADS & FELICIANA
West Baton Rouge, Pointe Coupee, West Feliciana, East Feliciana, Saint Helena. 92K
BATON ROUGE NORTH & BAKER
East Baton Rouge districts 1, 2, and 4. 100K (20K of Baton Rouge city)
BATON ROUGE CENTRAL (more properly North Central, but that's a wee bit confusing)
Districts 5, 6, 7. Industrial Complex unorganized territory. 97K (84 inside city)
BATON ROUGE SOUTH WEST
Districts 3, 10, 12. 103K (70K inside city)
BATON ROUGE SOUTH EAST
Districts 8, 9, 11. 112K (53K inside city)
LIVINGSTON
Livingston Parish. 92K
TANGIPAHOA
Tangipahoa. 101K
SLIDELL
St Tammany districts 1, 6-9, 11-14. 117K
MANDEVILLE & BOGALUSA
Districts 2-5, 10; Washington parish. 118K

And the major error is...I forgot a parish. A biggish one. Acadia. With 59K inhabitants.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 03, 2005, 11:27:09 AM
I've just noticed a serious error with this...plus another minor oversight. I'll post it anyways, for now, and get back to you.
Okay, I've found a solution. Instead of:
Quote
VILLE PLATTE & DE RIDDER
Evangeline, Allen, Beauregard. 93K
LAKE CHARLES (or CALCASIEU) WEST
Calcasieu districts 1, 3, 5, 11-15. 17K of city's population. Outside the city, Calcasieu River is constituency boundary. 95K
LAKE CHARLES (or CALCASIEU) EAST
Districts 2, 4, 6-10. 89K (of which 54K inside city)
read:

CROWLEY & VILLE PLATTE
Evangeline, Allen, Acadia. 119K
SULPHUR & DE RIDDER
Calcasieu districts 1, 11-15; Beauregard parish. 104K
LAKE CHARLES
Calcasieu districts 2-10. 113K. Includes all of Lake Charles. Except for small area just outside the city, Calcasieu River is the boundary.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 03, 2005, 04:37:26 PM
For decades Chicago has been divided into community areas that now coincide with groups of census tracts that have summary data collected for them. In terms of census data they area at an equivalent level to townships. The Chicago Community Area Data can be found at the City of Chicago's Department of Planning and Development.

The url for the page with the map is map page (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0286227019.1115155072@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddeidjiigkcefecelldffhdfgn.0&contentOID=536896854&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&blockName=Planning+And+Development%2F+North%2FI+Want+To&context=dept&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Planning+And+Development&deptMainCategoryOID=-536886114)

The population data can be looked up on this page: pop page (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalDeptCategoryAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0286227019.1115155072@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddeidjiigkcefecelldffhdfgn.0&deptCategoryOID=-536889699&contentType=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&entityName=Planning+And+Development&deptMainCategoryOID=-536886126)

If you want my suggestions on the division into 100 K units I'll be happy to oblige.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 04, 2005, 02:38:03 AM
Thanks. Very nice.
When I get to Chicago I'll come back to you. Or maybe I'll just make a map and ask you for corrections.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 04, 2005, 05:07:08 AM
ARK & SAW
2,673 mio. 27 seats

Benton
153K, 1+1
Washington
157K, 1+1. These two paired for 3.
Craighead
82K, 1
Faulkner
86K, 1
Garland
88K, 1
Jefferson
84K, 1
Pulaski
361K, 4
Saline
84K, 1
Sebastian
115K, 1
Remainder of the state
1,463 mio but only 14 seats left.

ROGERS & BENTONVILLE
The following Benton county townships: Esculapia, Osage, Mount Vernon, Brightwater, Sugar Creek, Garfield, Walnut, War Eagle, Roller Ridge, Dickson, Garland, Wallace, Sulphur Springs. 107K
SPRINGDALE
Remainder of Benton county; the following Washington county townships: Springdale, Elm Springs, Tontitown, Johnson, Harmon, Brush Creek. 102K
FAYETTEVILLE
Remainder of Washington county. 101K
CLARKSVILLE & WHITE ROCK
Crawford, Franklin, Johnson. 94K
FORT SMITH
Sebastian. 115K
HARRISON & BUFFALO RIVER
Madison, Carroll, Newton, Boone, Searcy, Marion. 106K
RUSSELLVILLE & MORRILTON
Pope, Van Buren, Conway, Perry. 100K
CONWAY
Faulkner. 86K
MOUNTAIN HOME & HEBER SPRINGS
Baxter, Fulton, Izard, Stone, Cleburne. 98K
SEARCY & BATESVILLE
White, Independence. 101K
PARAGOULD & POCAHONTAS
Clay, Green, Randolph, Lawrence, Sharp
JONESBORO
Craighead. 82K
BLYTHEVILLE & NEWPORT
Mississippi, Poinsett, Jackson. 96K
WEST MEMPHIS & FORREST CITY
Crittenden, Cross, Saint Francis, Lee. 113K
STUTTGART
Lonoke, Prairie, Monroe, Arkansas, Woodruff. 103K
HELENA & MONTICELLO
Phillips, Desha, Chicot, Lincoln, Drew, Ashley. 112K
PINE BLUFF
Jefferson. 84K
LITTLE ROCK EAST
LITTLE ROCK WEST
Cities of Little Rock and Cammack Village, College Station CDP, that part of Alexander town that is inside Pulaski county (ie, Little Rock and areas enclosed by it). 185K
NORTH LITTLE ROCK & MAUMELLE
cities of North Little Rock and Maumelle, unincorporated areas to the west of the county on both sides of the Arkansas river. 71K + unincorporated areas. Might have to include part of Greenwood city as well.
JACKSONVILLE & TOLTEC MOUNDS
Remaining cities, towns, and CDPs, unincorporated areas to the east of the county on both sides of the river. 70K + unincorporated areas (looks like most inhabited unincorporated areas are here)
SALINE
Saline. 84K
HOT SPRINGS
Garland. 88K
MENA & MAGAZINE MOUNTAIN
Logan, Yell, Scott, Montgomery, Polk, Howard, Sevier. 113K
ARKADELPHIA
Cleveland, Grant, Dallas, Hot Spring, Clark, Pike, Nevada. 109K
TEXARKANA (AR) & HOPE
Little River, Miller, Lafayxette, Columbia, Hempstead
EL DORADO & CAMDEN
Union, Bradley, Calhoun, Ouachita. 94K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 04, 2005, 05:59:23 AM
ATHENS & TENNESSEE COLONY
Henderson county; Cayuga, Montalba - Tennessee Colony, and Frankston CCDs of Anderson county. 96K
I think most of the population of Tennessee Colony is a prison.  I'd probably just leave it as Athens.

Quote
BRENHAM (a second name component would do good)
Austin, Waller, Washington. 87K
Bellville, Hempstead.

Quote
BEAUMONT SOUTH & TEXAS POINT
Remainder of both CCDs, remainder of Jefferson county (22K)
I had never heard of Texas Point.  If the area were to be included in the name,
it would be Sabine Pass.   Couldn't this be in the Port Arthur seat?   There is nothing to the
SW of Port Arthur.

Quote
ROSENBERG & CINCO RANCH (or FORT BEND. What's the county named for anyway?)
I would include both Richmond and Rosenberg in the name, and skip Cinco Ranch.


It was a Fort at at a bend in the Brazos River.   I think it is the big loop north of Richmond.

Fort Bend (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/FF/uef1.html)



Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 04, 2005, 06:24:20 AM
WHARTON & YOAKUM (bad name)
Wharton, Colorado, Lavaca. 80K
Wharton, Hallettsville, Eagle Lake

Quote
BASTROP, FAYETTE & LEE (Oh Lord, send me some Name!)
Bastrop, Fayette, Lee. 96K
Bastrop, La Grange, & Giddings.

La Grange is the site of the the Best Little Whorehouse in Texas.

Quote
PHARR
Pharr-San Juan-Alamo?

Quote
ELSA & SULLIVAN CITY
Elsa-Edcouch

Quote
BROWNSVILLE NORTH & SAN BENITO (or & MOUTH OF RIO GRANDE or something like that if San Benito city is in Harlingen constituency or split)
Quote
South Padre Island

Quote
HEWITT & BELLMEAD
Remainder of McLennan county. 102K
Crawford

Quote
LIBERTY HILL & ROUND ROCK WEST
Cedar Park


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 04, 2005, 06:35:31 AM
BEAUMONT SOUTH & TEXAS POINT
Remainder of both CCDs, remainder of Jefferson county (22K)
I had never heard of Texas Point.  If the area were to be included in the name,
it would be Sabine Pass.   Couldn't this be in the Port Arthur seat?   There is nothing to the
SW of Port Arthur.
Texas Point is the Southeastern tip of Texas, that's obviously what it's named for. It's also a NWR. It's not a town. Sabine Pass is the town nearest to it. I don't think it's the largest place in rural Jefferson county, though (I'd have to check). It's certainly not the second largest place in the constituency, that's likely to be Nederland. If I go with a place name rather than a geographical term, that's what I'd go with. If you've never heard of Texas Point, it's probably not a good name. I just liked the sound of it, I reckon.
Oh, yes, and obviously the rural Beaumont areas could just as well be in the Port Arthur seat, or split between the Beaumont South and the Port Arthur seat. Depends on where you split the East Jefferson CCD.

I'll look over the other name suggestions, probably incorporate all of them.
What about Brazos County? And what about the Panhandle seats?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 04, 2005, 06:42:00 AM
I don't think all three are really needed. Pharr & San Juan maybe.
Quote
Quote
ELSA & SULLIVAN CITY
Elsa-Edcouch
But they're right next to each other...and there's a considerable part of the population over on the other side of the county (although this side has more.)
Quote
Quote
HEWITT & BELLMEAD
Remainder of McLennan county. 102K
Crawford
The highest pop. densities are just outside Waco. Is that Bush's Crawford? Hewitt & Crawford maybe.

Quote
Quote
LIBERTY HILL & ROUND ROCK WEST
Cedar Park
The city of Round Rock would almost certainly be split between the two seats, and it's the largest in the county. Cedar Park & Round Rock West.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 04, 2005, 09:47:20 PM
BEAUMONT SOUTH & TEXAS POINT
Remainder of both CCDs, remainder of Jefferson county (22K)
I had never heard of Texas Point.  If the area were to be included in the name,
it would be Sabine Pass.   Couldn't this be in the Port Arthur seat?   There is nothing to the
SW of Port Arthur.
Texas Point is the Southeastern tip of Texas, that's obviously what it's named for. It's also a NWR. It's not a town. Sabine Pass is the town nearest to it. I don't think it's the largest place in rural Jefferson county, though (I'd have to check). It's certainly not the second largest place in the constituency, that's likely to be Nederland. If I go with a place name rather than a geographical term, that's what I'd go with. If you've never heard of Texas Point, it's probably not a good name. I just liked the sound of it, I reckon.
It's not even the largest National Wildlife Reserve in the district :)

How about Spindletop?

Quote
What about Brazos County? And what about the Panhandle seats?
What about Brazos County?

I'd drop Cameron, so one seat should have Bryan and the other College Station.  Or you could include
Texas A&M in the name (that is the college that the station is named for).  If you do that, you probably should
name one of the Austin seats after UT.  (Both schools are pretty close to 50,000).

If I were dividing the Panhandle and South Plains, I'd probably divide them NS rather than EW, separating the
areas above and below the Caprock.  The area above the Caprock is over the Ogallala Aquifer and crops are
grown.  The area below is ranch land.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 04, 2005, 09:55:21 PM
I was going by the name of the school district, which is normally just listed as PSJA.


Quote
Quote
Quote
ELSA & SULLIVAN CITY
Elsa-Edcouch
But they're right next to each other...and there's a considerable part of the population over on the other side of the county (although this side has more.)
Same here.

Quote
Quote
Quote
HEWITT & BELLMEAD
Remainder of McLennan county. 102K
Crawford
The highest pop. densities are just outside Waco. Is that Bush's Crawford? Hewitt & Crawford maybe.
Yes.  I don't think any of the towns are significant enough.  I'd probably go with Waco and McLennan


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 05, 2005, 06:04:17 AM
I'd drop Cameron, so one seat should have Bryan and the other College Station.
Yeah, but it extend pretty far from Bryan on the one side, but ends right on city limits (Inside city limits in one direction IIRC, actually). That's basically why I add second name components offen: to state the fact that it's not just an urban seat.
Quote
  Or you could include
Texas A&M in the name (that is the college that the station is named for).  If you do that, you probably should
name one of the Austin seats after UT.  (Both schools are pretty close to 50,000).
Difference being that it's not necessary in this case as you'll find College Station on the map, but it may be necessary in Austin (in which case I wouldn't call it "UT" though. "Austin UT" or, since that's a bit ugly as a name, "Austin University" - which sounds confusing seen like that, bt probably doesn't when there's several "Austin Generic Neighborhood" constituencies.)

Quote
If I were dividing the Panhandle and South Plains, I'd probably divide them NS rather than EW, separating the
areas above and below the Caprock.  The area above the Caprock is over the Ogallala Aquifer and crops are
grown.  The area below is ranch land.
What's the Caprock? Could you just do it maybe? That'd be nice.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 05, 2005, 12:43:15 PM
Mississippi
(done on the quick)
2,843 mio
28 seats

DeSoto - 107K, 1
Harrison - 190K, 2
Hinds - 251K, 3
Jackson - 131K, 1+1
Rankin - 115K, 1

PICAYUNE - PEARL RIVER
Hancock, Pearl River. 92K
GULFPORT
Harrison County's Districts 3 and 4 (MS has the same thing as LA), and part of Gulfport in 2, 103K
BILOXI
Remainder. 87K
PASCAGOULA
Jackson County's Districts 2 to 5. 106K
CHICKASAWHAY RIVER
District 1; George, Stone, Perry, Greene, Wayne. 104K
HATTIESBURG
Forrest, Lamar. 112K
NATCHEZ
Claiborne, Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Wilkinson, Amite. 88K
CRYSTAL SPRINGS, BROOKHAVEN & McCOMB
Copiah, Lincoln, Pike. 100K
COLUMBIA & (add second name here, MENDENHALL?)
Marion, Walthall, Lawrence, Jefferson Davis, Simpson. 115K
LAUREL
Covington, Jones, Smith. 100K
FOREST & PHILADELPHIA
Scott, Jasper, Newton, Neshoba, Winston. 117K
MERIDIAN
Clarke, Lauderdale, Kemper. 106K
RANKIN
Rankin. 115K
JACKSON NORTH
Hinds District 1, part of 2 inside city. 87K
JACKSON SOUTH
District 3, part of 5 inside city. 80K
JACKSON SOUTH WEST & CLINTON
District 4, remainder of 2 and 5. 84K
CANTON & MADISON
Madison, Leake. 96K
VICKSBURG & YAZOO CITY
Warren, Issaquena, Yazoo, Humphreys, Sharkey
GREENVILLE & BOLIVAR
Washington, Bolivar. 104K
GREENWOOD & INDIANOLA
Sunflower, Leflore, Carroll, Holmes. 104K
CLARKSDALE
Coahoma, Tunica, Quitman, Tallahatchie, Panola. 99K
DE SOTO
De Soto. 107K
OXFORD & HOLLY SPRINGS
Tate, Marshall, Lafayette. 99K
CORINTH & RIPLEY
Benton, Tippah, Alcorn, Tishomingo, Prentiss. 109K
TUPELO
Lee, Itawamba. 99K
NEW ALBANY & (feature from Southern part of district)
Union, Pontotoc, Calhoun, Chickasaw, Yalobusha. 99K
STARKVILLE & GRENADA
Oktibbeha, Clay, Choctaw, Webster, Montgomery, Grenada. 119K. I should check maybe whether I can divide these two North-South rather than East-West.
COLUMBUS
Lowndes, Monroe, Noxubee. 113K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: jimrtex on May 05, 2005, 03:05:34 PM
What's the Caprock? Could you just do it maybe? That'd be nice.
Caprock  (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/CC/rxc1.html)
 Llano Estacado  (http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/LL/ryl2.html)

It's pretty interesting from on top since it can be sensed but not seen.  Because the Llano is
so flat, the horizons fade away in ground haze.   But when you are 10 or so miles from the Caprock
it looks clearer because the ground drops away.

Another memorable moment was driving down off the Caprock into Post on a Friday afternoon (real
football is played on Friday night).  Outside of town a car caravan was forming, with the cars streamered
in the school colors.  I kept thinking of the valley people getting reading to attack the mountain
people.









Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 06, 2005, 12:25:30 PM
New Mexico.
1,819 Mio inhabitants.
18 seats.

Theoretical entitlements:
Bernalillo 557K - 6 seats. I ended up pairing this with Valencia (66K) however.
Dona Ana - 175K - 2 seats.
Sandoval - 90K. 1 seat.
San Juan - 114K. 1 seat.
Santa Fe - 129K. 1 seat & part of one.
Left me with 756K (or 690K after Valencia) for 6 seats and a (large) part of one.

I'm not comfy with a few of the pairings below, and if someone (yes, looking at you) can produce a better outline you're totally welcome to post it.

SHIPROCK & FARMINGTON
San Juan County. 114K.
GALLUP & ZUNI
McKinley & Cibola counties. 101K.
SANDOVAL
Sandoval County. 90K
SANTA FE
Santa Fe and Santa Fe South CCDs of Santa Fe County. 112K.
TAOS & LOS ALAMOS
Santa Fe North CCD; Los Alamos, Rio Arriba, and Taos counties. 106K
LAS VEGAS & TUCUMCARI
Colfax, Mora, San Miguel, Harding, Union, Quay, Guadalupe, Torrance, and DeBaca counties. 88K.
CLOVIS & HOBBS
Curry, Roosevelt, Lea counties. 119K
ROSWELL & CARLSBAD
Chaves, Eddy. 113K.
ALAMOGORDO & SOCORRO
Otero, Lincoln, and Socorro counties. 99K.
LAS CRUCES
Las Cruces CCD of Dona Ana County. 87K.
DONA ANA
Remainder of Dona Ana County. 88K.
SILVER CITY
Sierra, Catron, Grant, Luna, Hidalgo counties. 84K.
VALENCIA & ISLETA
Valencia County; Isleta Pueblo, Bernalillo East, Bernalillo West CCDs of Bernalillo County. 88K.
ALBUQUERQUE 1-5 (cardinal points)
Albuquerque CCD. 535K.

()

()


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 06, 2005, 12:47:09 PM
Cool. :D


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 06, 2005, 01:04:59 PM
Thanks. ^_^ I had some idle moments at work so I took care of this, using my unfair advantages of a decent connection, lots o' storage space, and good Arc programs (although it is possible for anyone to do this with free software such as ArcExplorer). I have no idea how I'm going to divvy up Albuquerque's 5 seats, since the precinct lines don't necessarily follow the boundary between Bernalillo West CCD and Albuquerque CCD (don't get me started on the precinct boundaries...).

And to Muon2: please, condense those links - they're stretching the screen. Easiest way is to do it like this:

{[}url=http://{whatever the link is}]{text in place of the link such as Neighborhoods}{[}/url{]} And remove the {}. :)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 06, 2005, 03:59:36 PM
Thanks. ^_^ I had some idle moments at work so I took care of this, using my unfair advantages of a decent connection, lots o' storage space, and good Arc programs (although it is possible for anyone to do this with free software such as ArcExplorer). I have no idea how I'm going to divvy up Albuquerque's 5 seats, since the precinct lines don't necessarily follow the boundary between Bernalillo West CCD and Albuquerque CCD (don't get me started on the precinct boundaries...).

And to Muon2: please, condense those links - they're stretching the screen. Easiest way is to do it like this:

{[}url=http://{whatever the link is}]{text in place of the link such as Neighborhoods}{[}/url{]} And remove the {}. :)

I thought that URLs couldn't be embedded if they contained an = character. :P That used to be true on the site, but if it's changed let me know and I'll make the necessary corrections.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 06, 2005, 04:02:47 PM
Thanks. ^_^ I had some idle moments at work so I took care of this, using my unfair advantages of a decent connection, lots o' storage space, and good Arc programs (although it is possible for anyone to do this with free software such as ArcExplorer). I have no idea how I'm going to divvy up Albuquerque's 5 seats, since the precinct lines don't necessarily follow the boundary between Bernalillo West CCD and Albuquerque CCD (don't get me started on the precinct boundaries...).

And to Muon2: please, condense those links - they're stretching the screen. Easiest way is to do it like this:

{[}url=http://{whatever the link is}]{text in place of the link such as Neighborhoods}{[}/url{]} And remove the {}. :)

I thought that URLs couldn't be embedded if they contained an = character. :P That used to be true on the site, but if it's changed let me know and I'll make the necessary corrections.

It's worked pretty well for me having the url= the link - in fact, I think the code requires the = to be there for this to work. :)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 06, 2005, 04:13:57 PM
Thanks. ^_^ I had some idle moments at work so I took care of this, using my unfair advantages of a decent connection, lots o' storage space, and good Arc programs (although it is possible for anyone to do this with free software such as ArcExplorer). I have no idea how I'm going to divvy up Albuquerque's 5 seats, since the precinct lines don't necessarily follow the boundary between Bernalillo West CCD and Albuquerque CCD (don't get me started on the precinct boundaries...).

And to Muon2: please, condense those links - they're stretching the screen. Easiest way is to do it like this:

{[}url=http://{whatever the link is}]{text in place of the link such as Neighborhoods}{[}/url{]} And remove the {}. :)

I thought that URLs couldn't be embedded if they contained an = character. :P That used to be true on the site, but if it's changed let me know and I'll make the necessary corrections.

It's worked pretty well for me having the url= the link - in fact, I think the code requires the = to be there for this to work. :)

I've fixed it now. One of the upgrades must have fixed this from a year ago. The problem was not with the url=, but with an url that have an = within it. In any case, it's no longer a problem. :D


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: WMS on May 06, 2005, 05:02:02 PM
Thanks. ^_^ I had some idle moments at work so I took care of this, using my unfair advantages of a decent connection, lots o' storage space, and good Arc programs (although it is possible for anyone to do this with free software such as ArcExplorer). I have no idea how I'm going to divvy up Albuquerque's 5 seats, since the precinct lines don't necessarily follow the boundary between Bernalillo West CCD and Albuquerque CCD (don't get me started on the precinct boundaries...).

And to Muon2: please, condense those links - they're stretching the screen. Easiest way is to do it like this:

{[}url=http://{whatever the link is}]{text in place of the link such as Neighborhoods}{[}/url{]} And remove the {}. :)

I thought that URLs couldn't be embedded if they contained an = character. :P That used to be true on the site, but if it's changed let me know and I'll make the necessary corrections.

It's worked pretty well for me having the url= the link - in fact, I think the code requires the = to be there for this to work. :)

I've fixed it now. One of the upgrades must have fixed this from a year ago. The problem was not with the url=, but with an url that have an = within it. In any case, it's no longer a problem. :D

Excellent. 8) And thanks!


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 16, 2005, 01:17:40 PM
I`ve done Alabama, but I'm not done naming yet.
I'll post it tomorrow.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 17, 2005, 02:57:48 AM
BAMA
4,447 mio inhabitants. 44 seats

MOBILE CENTRAL
MOBILE SOUTH & BAYOU LA BATRE
MOBILE WEST & BIG CREEK LAKE
PRICHARD & SEMMES
Mobile County. 399K. Central is entirely in Mobile CCD (250K). Others combine parts of Mobile CCD with, respectively, Theodore, Bayou La Batre, and Grand Bay CCDs (57K), Tanner Williams CCD (59K), and Mount Vernon, Semmes, and Citronelle CCDs (32K). This is because the Tanner Williams CCD extends west to the state line (where the small town of Tanner Williams is) but has most of its population right on the outskirts of the Mobile Agglomeration - inside city limits, in fact. A district entirely outside Mobile CCD would have had to include Tanner Williams.
DAPHNE & PERDIDO BAY
Daphne, Fairhope, Foley, Elberta, Summerdale and Robertsdale CCDs of Baldwin county. 114K
BAY MINETTE, BREWTON & MONROEVILLE
Bay Minette and Stockton CCDs of Baldwin County; Escambia, Conecuh, and Monroe counties. 102K
LOWER TOMBIGBEE
Washington, Choctaw, Sumter, Clarke, Marengo counties. 100K
ANDALUSIA & ENTERPRISE
Covington, Coffee, Geneva. 107K
DOTHAN
Houston county. 89K
EUFAULA & FORT RUCKER
Dale, Henry, Barbour. 94K
GREENVILLE & TROY
Butler, Crenshaw, Pike, Wilcox, Lowndes. 91K
MONTGOMERY NORTH
MONTGOMERY SOUTH
Montgomery County. 223K. CCDs apart from Montgomery (195K) all in South constituency.
AUTAUGA - ELMORE
Autauga, Elmore. 110K
TUSKEGEE & PHENIX CITY
Russell, Macon, Bullock. 86K
AUBURN - OPELIKA
Lee. 115K
SELMA & (?)
Dallas, Perry, Bibb, Hale, Greene. 106K. Let Us Now Praise Famous Men country, btw.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 17, 2005, 03:11:46 AM
Part 2
JEFFERSON County has 662K and 7 seats. Birmingham CCD has 490K and would be entitled to 5 seats, the rest is in a large no. of small CCDs. Problem is that Hoover and Greenwood CCDs are divided from the remainder by a southern extension of Birmingham CCD.
HOOVER
Hoover, Greenwood, North Johns, Concor - Hopkins, Maytown - Silver Springs, West Jefferson, Graysville - Adamsville CCDs (82K) plus small part of Birmingham CCD.
TRUSSVILLE & GARDENDALE
Remaining CCDs. 89K
5 BIRMINGHAM CCD seats, of which three or four will likely be named Birmingham.
ALABASTER - MONTEVALLO
Alabaster - Helena and Montevallo CCDs of Shelby County. 96K
CLANTON & COLUMBIANA
Remainder of Shelby County; Chilton, Coosa counties. 99K
ROANOKE, LANETT & ALEXANDER CITY
Tallapoosa, Chambers, Randolph. 100K
TALLADEGA & CHEAHA MOUNTAIN
Talladega, Clay, Cleburne. 108K
ANNISTON
Calhoun. 112K
SAINT CLAIR - BLOUNT
Saint Clair, Blount. 116K
GADSDEN
Etowah. 103K
FORT PAYNE & WEISS LAKE
DeKalb, Cherokee counties; Section, Pisgah, Long Island CCDs of Jackson County (ie, part on the left bank of the Tennessee River). 104K
GUNTERSVILLE & SCOTTSBORO
Marshall County; remainder of Jackson County. 118K. Marshall County entitled to a seat of its own, actually. Jackson County split required by geography.
HUNTSVILLE CENTRAL
HUNTSVILLE WEST & MADISON
HUNTSVILLE EAST & HAZEL GROVE
Madison county. 277K. Central entirely in Huntsville CCD (188K). W includes parts of Huntsville plus  Arsenal, Madison, and Triana-Blackwell CCDs (35K) to the SW. E includes part of Huntsville plus remaining CCDs (54K) to the North and East.
DECATUR
Morgan. 111K
ATHENS & MOULTON
Limestone, Lawrence. 101K
FLORENCE
Lauderdale. 88K
CULLMAN ( & DOUBLE SPRINGS)
Cullman, Winston. 102K
TUSCUMBIA & RUSSELLVILLE
Colbert, Franklin, Marion. 117K
JASPER & (?)
Walker, Fayette, Lamar. 105K
TUSCALOOSA
Tuscaloosa CCD of Tuscaloosa County. 101K
NORTHPORT & CARROLLTON
Remainder of Tuscaloosa County; Pickens County. 85K. Tuscaloosa County (165K) actually entitled to two whole seats.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 17, 2005, 07:25:48 AM
TENNESSEE
5,689 mio, 57 seats

Eight MEMPHIS CCD districts, likely named Memphis+neighborhood or suburb (Bartlett and Germantown come to mind). 807K
COLLIERVILLE & MILLINGTON
Remainder of Shelby county. 90K
BOLIVAR & (?)
Fayette, Hardeman, Chester, McNairy. 98K
COVINGTON & BROWNSVILLE
Tipton, Lauderdale, Haywood. 98K
DYERSBURG & UNION CITY
Lake, Dyer, Obio, Weakley. 112K
JACKSON
Madison. 92K
HUMBOLDT & McKENZIE
Gibson, Crockett, Carroll. 92K
LAND BETWEEN THE LAKES SOUTH (until I can think of a better name)
Henry, Benton, Stewart, Houston, Humphreys. 86K
SAVANNAH & (?)
Decatur, Perry, Hardin, Wayne, Lewis, Hickman. 96K
LAWRENCEBURG & FAYETTEVILLE
Lawrence, Giles, Lincoln. 100K
CLARKSVILLE
Clarksville and Saint Bethlehem CCDs of Montgomery County. 109K
DICKSON & FORT CAMPBELL
remainder of Montgomery County; Dickson, Cheatham counties. 105K
six DAVIDSON county constituencies. 570K (no CCDs)
FRANKLIN & BRENTWOOD
Franklin, Brentwood, and Nolensville CCDs of Williamson county. 101K
COLUMBIA
Remainder of Williamson county; Maury. 95K
LEWISBURG, SHELBYVILLE & MANCHESTER
Marshall, Bedford, Coffee. 113K
MURFREESBORO
Murfreesboro CCD of Rutherford county. 91K
SMYRNA (or RUTHERFORD)
Remainder of Rutherford county. 91K. Surrounds Murfreesboro entirely.
WINCHESTER & SOUTH CUMBERLAND PLATEAU
Moore, Franklin, Marion, Grundy, Sequatchie. 98K
HENDERSONVILLE & GALLATIN
Hendersonville, Gallatin CCDs of Sumner county. 88K
PORTLAND & SPRINGFIELD
Remainder of Sumner county, Robertson county. 96K
LEBANON
Wilson county. 89K
UPPER CUMBERLAND
Macon, Trousdale, Smith, Jackson, Clay, Pickett, Overton, Fentress. 106K
COOKEVILLE
Putnam, White, DeKalb. 102K
McMINNVILLE & DAYTON
Cannon, Warren, Van Buren, Bledsoe, Rhea. 97K
CROSSVILLE & BIG SOUTH FORK
Cumberland, Morgan, Scott. 88K
CHATTANOOGA SOUTH (or SOUTH WEST)
part of Chattanooga CCD (202K), East Ridge and Lookout Mountain CCDs (25K)
CHATTANOOGA EAST & OOLTEWAH
Part of Chattanooga CCD, Ooltewah CCD (14K)
CHATTANOOGA NORTH & MIDDLE VALLEY
Part of Chattanooga CCD, remaining CCDs of Hamilton County (66K). 308K together.
CLEVELAND
Bradley, Polk. 104K
ATHENS & SWEETWATER
Meigs, McMinn, Monroe. 99K
ROANE & LOUDON
Roane, Loudon. 91K
MARYVILLE
Blount. 106K
three KNOXVILLE constituencies incl. KNOXVILLE WEST & FARRAGUT
Knoxville (275K) and Concord (25K) CCDs. 300K together.
POWELL
Remainder of Knox county; Union county. 100K
OAK RIDGE & LA FOLLETTE
Anderson, Campbell. 111K
SEVIERVILLE & NEWPORT
Sevier, Cocke. 105K
JEFFERSON CITY & MORRISTOWn
Jefferson, Hamblen. 102K
CLINCH MOUNTAIN (SOUTH)
Claiborne, Grainger, Hancock, Hawkins. 112K
JOHNSON CITY
Washington. 107K
KIGNSPORT
Kingsport and Blountville CCDs of Sullivan county. 101K
GREENEVILLE & ERWIN
Greene, Unicoi counties; Tiger Valley, Roan Mountain, Level Fork CCDs of Carter county. 93K
BRISTOL & ELIZABETHTON
Johnson county; Elizabethton, Stony Creek, and Biltmore CCDs of Carter county; Bristol, Bluff City - Piney Flats, and Holston Valley CCDs of Sullivan county. 115K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 18, 2005, 05:07:53 AM
KENTUCKY
4.042 mio inhabitants. 40 seats.

PADUCAH
Fulton, Hickman, Carlisle, Ballard, McCracken, Livingston. 102K
MAYFIELD
Graves, Calloway, Marshall. 101K
HOPKINSVILLE
Trigg, Christian, Lyon, Kramer. 106K
HENDERSON
Henderson, Union, Crittenden, McLean, Webster. 109K
OWENSBORO
Daviess. 92K
MADISONVILLE & (?)
Hopkins, Muhlenberg, Ohio. 102K
BOWLING GREEN
Warren. 93K
ROUGH RIVER LAKE & MAMMOTH CAVE
Meade, Breckinridge, Hancock, Grayson, Edmonson. 102K
RUSSELLVILLE & MIDDLE CUMBERLAND RIVER
Todd, Logan, Simpson, Allen, Monroe, Cumberland, Clinton. 102K
ELIZABETHTON
Hardin, Larue. 107K
GLASGOW & CAMPBELLSVILLE
Hart, Barren, Metcalfe, Green, Adair, Taylor. 117K
BULLITT & BARDSTOWN
Bullitt, Washington, Nelson. 109K
LOUISVILLE WEST
Louisville C and Louisville W CCDs. 97K
LOUISVILLE EAST
Louisville E CCD. 93K
LOUISVILLE SOUTH
Louisville S CCD (76K), part of Jefferson SW CCD.
PLEASURE RIDGE PARK
Remainder of Jefferson SW CCD (114K).
NEWBURG
Jefferson C CCD. 105K
JEFFERSONTOWN
Jefferson SE CCD. 105K
LYNDON & (?)
Jefferson NE CCD. 98K
OLDHAM & SHELBYVILLE
Oldham, Shelby, Spencer. 91K
FRANKFORT
Franklin, Anderson, Woodford, Mercer. 111K
SOMERSET & LAKE CUMBERLAND
Russell, Pulaski, Wayne, McCreary. 109K
DANVILLE, CAMPBELLSVILLE & (place or landmark from SE part)
Casey, Boyle, Lincoln, Garrard, Rockcastle, Marion. 116K
WILLIAMSBURG & CUMBERLAND GAP
Whitley, Knox, Bell. 98K
LONDON & UPPER KENTUCKY RIVER
Jackson, Laurel, Owsley, Clay, Estill, Lee. 119K
RICHMOND & JESSAMINE
Madison, Jessamine. 110K
LEXINGTON - FAYETTE 1-3.
261K. No CCDs.
LOWER KENTUCKY RIVER
Trimble, Carroll, Henry, Owen, Gallatin, Scott, Harrison. 104K
PARIS & MOUNT STERLING
Bourbon, Nicholas, Clark, Bath, Montgomery. 93K
BOONE
Boone. 86K
NEWPORT
Campbell. 89K
COVINGTON
Covington CCD of Kenton county. 116K
MAYSVILLE & INDEPENDENCE
Independence and Piner - Visalia CCDs of Kenton county; Grant, Pendleton, Bracken, Robertson, Mason counties. 98K
GREENUP & MOREHEAD
Fleming, Lewis, Rowan, Greenup. 86K
ASHLAND
Carter, Boyd, Elliott, Lawrence. 100K
(looking for name for this strip of coal country)
Johnson, Martin, Morgan, Magoffin, Powell, Wolfe, Menifee, Breathitt. 108K
PIKEVILLE
Pike, Floyd. 111K
HAZARD
Perry, Letcher, Leslie, Harlan, Knott. 117K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 18, 2005, 05:50:49 AM

If you fiddle Knott county into it, Perkins would do.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 18, 2005, 06:39:04 AM

If you fiddle Knott county into it, Perkins would do.
What's Perkins?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 18, 2005, 06:42:41 AM
Fiddling Knott in would not be a problem, btw.
Change:
ASHLAND
Carter, Boyd, Elliott, Lawrence. 100K
(looking for name for this strip of coal country)
Johnson, Martin, Morgan, Magoffin, Powell, Wolfe, Menifee, Breathitt. 108K
HAZARD
Perry, Letcher, Leslie, Harlan, Knott. 117K
To:
ASHLAND
Carter, Boyd, Elliott, Larence, Martin. 113K
PERKINS
Johnson, Morgan, Magoffin, Powell, Wolfe, Menifee, Breathitt, Knott. 113K
HAZARD
Perry, Letcher, Leslie, Harlan. 99K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 18, 2005, 08:14:43 AM
MIZZOURI
5.595 mio inhabitants. 56 seats
A note on Metro areas: Townships and Cities do not necessarily go alike in Missouri. Kansas City spans across three counties...and that's only counting the one in Missouri.

MISSOURI BOOTHEEL
New Madrid, Mississippi, Pemiscot, Dunklin, Stoddard. 116K
CAPE GIRARDEAU
Cape Girardeau, Scott. 109K
FARMINGTON & PERRYVILLE
Saint Francois, Sainte Genevieve, Perry. 92K
ARNOLD
Arnold, Imperial, Windsor, Rock townships of Jefferson county. 90K
FESTUS & HILLSBORO
Remainder of Jefferson county. 104K
SAINT LOUIS 1-3
City of Saint Louis. 348K together.
Following ten seats make up Saint Louis County:
OAKVILLE & MEHLVILLE
Oakville, Tesson Ferry, Lemay townships. 109K
AFFTON & KIRKWOOD
Concord, Gravois, Bonhomme townships. 110K
BALLWIN & MANCHESTER
Meramec, Queeny townships. 88K
CHESTERFIELD
Chesterfield, Lafayette townships. 92K
WEBSTER GROVES & CLAYTON
Hadley, Clayton, Jefferson townships. 105K
UNIVERSITY CITY & JENNINGS
University, Normandy, Norwood townships. 95K
CREVE COEUR & OVERLAND
Creve Coeur, Midland, and Missouri River townships. 104K
MARYLAND HEIGHTS
Maryland Heights, Airport, and Northwest townships. 98K
FLORISSANT
Florissant, Ferguson, and Lewis and Clark townships. 105K
SPANISH LAKE
Saint Ferdinand, Halls Ferry, and Spanish Lake townships. 110K
The following three seats make up Saint Charles county:
SAINT CHARLES & SAINT PETERS EAST
Frontier, Blanchette, Lindenwood, Friedens, Zumbehl, Rivers, Spencer Creek townships. 98K
O'FALLON EAST & SAINT PETERS WEST
Cottleville, Saint Peters, O'Fallon townships. 87K
O'FALLON WEST & WENTZVILLE
Harvester, Boone, Dardenne, Wentzville townships. 98K
UNION & WASHINGTON
Franklin. 94K
POPLAR BLUFF (& ?)
Bollinger, Wayne, Butler, Madison, Ripley, Carter. 98K
TAUM SAUK MOUNTAIN
Iron, Reynolds, Washington, Crawford, Dent, Shannon, Oregon. 97K. Named after state's highest point.
LOWER GASCONADE
Gasconade, Orange, Maries, Phelps, Miller. 101K
JEFFERSON CITY
Cole, Moniteau, Cooper. 103K
LAKE OF THE OZARKS & FORT LEONARD WOOD
Pulaski, Camden, Morgan. 97K
LEBANON & ? (or UPPER GASCONADE)
Texas, Laclede, Wright, Webster, Douglas. 118K
BRANSON & WEST PLAINS
Howell, Ozark, Taney, Stone. 116K
SPRINGFIELD NORTH
SPRINGFIELD SOUTH
Springfield (152K), Campbell, North Campbell, Wilson, Clay townships of Greene county. 195K together.
CHRISTIAN & REPUBLIC
Remainder of Greene county; Christian county. 99K. As far as the name goes: Just couldn't resist the temptation. :)
JOPLIN
Jasper. 104K
NEOSHO
Newton, McDonald, Barry. 109K
NEVADA & STOCKTON LAKE
Cedar, Dade, Lawrence, Barton, Vernon, Bates. 107K. Would be named Truman in Australia.
CLINTON & BOLIVAR
Dallas, Polk, Hickory, Saint Clair, Benton, Henry. 101K
MARSHALL, SEDALIA & WARRENSBURG
Saline, Pettis, Johnson. 111K
HARRISONVILLE
Cass. 82K
The following seven constituencies are in Jackson county:
INDEPENDENCE EAST
KANSAS CITY (neighborhood) & INDEPENDENCE WEST
Blue township. 160K
KANSAS CITY (neighborhood names)
2 constituencies, Kaw township. 183K
BLUE SPRINGS
Fort Osage, Sni-A-Bar, Van Buren townships. 80K
KANSAS CITY RAYTOWN
Brooking township (81K), part of Washington township (74K)
LEE'S SUMMIT
Praire township (77K), remainder of Washington township.
KANSAS CITY GLADSTONE
Gallatin township (68K), part of Chouteau township (41K) of Clay county.
KANSAS CITY LIBERTY
Remainder of Clay county. 184K together.
KANSAS CITY NORTH WEST & LITTLE PLATTE
Platte, Clinton. 93K
SAINT JOSEPH
Buchanan. 86K
RICHMOND & CHILLICOTHE
Lafayette, Carroll, Ray, Kramer, Livingston, Daviess. 98K. Only district in the state to cross the Missouri, btw.
TRENTON & MARYVILLE (or MISSOURI NORTH WEST)
Atchison, Nodaway, Holt, Andrew, Worth, Gentry, DeKalb, Harrison, Grundy, Mercer, Sullivan. 100K
KIRKSVILLE & HANNIBAL (or MISSOURI NORTH EAST)
Putnam, Schuyler, Scotland, Clark, Adair, Knox, Lewis, Marion, Ralls. 98K
MACON, MOBERLY & MEXICO
Linn, Macon, Shelby, Chariton, Randolph, Monroe, Audrain. 104K
COLUMBIA
Columbia and Missouri townships, Boone county. 104K
FULTON & (?)
Remainder of Boone county; Howard, Callaway. 82K
CUIVRE RIVER
Pike, Lincoln, Warren, Montgomery. 94K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 18, 2005, 09:45:10 AM
IOWA
2,926 mio inhabitants. 29 seats.

Sorry for this one and the last one's zigzagging across the state, btw.

BURLINGTON
Lee, Des Moines, Henry. 100K
MUSCATINE
Louisa, Muscatine, Cedar, Washington. 93K
DAVENPORT
City of Davenport. 98K
BETTENDORF & CLINTON
Remainder of Scott county; Clinton county. 111K
IOWA CITY
Johnson. 111K
CEDAR RAPIDS SW
Fayette, Clinto, Fairfax, College, Putnam townships (7K), part of Cedar Rapid city (121K) of Linn county. Outside the city, boundary follows Cedar river.
CEDAR RAPIDS NE
Remainder of Linn county. 192K together.
OTTUMWA
Jefferson, Van Buren, Wapello, Davis, Monroe, Appanoose, Keokuk. 102K
NEWTON, GRINNELL & OSKALOOSA
Iowa, Poweshiek, Jasper, Mahaska. 94K
INDIANOLA
Warren, Marion, Lucas, Wayne, Clarke, Decatur. 107K
The following four seats are in Linn county:
DES MOINES CENTRAL
Des Moines township. 101K. The city spans a no. of townships and has a total population of 199K.
DES MOINES SOUTH WEST
Bloomfield and Walnut townships. 91K. Includes 27K inhabitants of Des Moines, as well as the 43K inhabitants of West Des Moines.
DES MOINES EAST
Lee, Allen, Camp, Four Mile, Delaware, Clay, Beaver townships. 92K. Includes 62K inhabitants of Des Moines.
DES MOINES NORTH & UNIONDALE
Remainder of county. 91K. Includes 10K inhabitants of Des Moines.
IOWA SOUTH WEST
Union, Ringgold, Adams, Taylor, Montgomery, Page, Mills, Fremont, Adair, Cass. 103K
COUNCIL BLUFFS
Pottawattamie. 88K
DENISON & HARLAN (or, IOWA WEST, or WEST CENTRAL)
Harrison, Shelby, Audubon, Carroll, Crawford, Monona, Ida, Sac.104K
PERRY & BOONE
Guthrie, Dallas, Greene, Boone. 88K
AMES
Story, Hamilton. 96K
MARSHALLTOWN & IOWA FALLS
Marshall, Grundy, Hardin, Franklin, Butler, Wright. 110K
WATERLOO & CEDAR FALLS
Waterloo, Cedar Falls cities, Cedar Falls township of Black Hawk county. 105K
VINTON & WAVERLY
Remainder of Black Hawk county; Buchanan, Tama, Benton, Bremer. 110K
DUBUQUE
Dubuque. 89K
MANCHESTER & MAQUOKETA
Jackson, Jones, Delaware, Clayton, Allamakee. 92K
DECORAH & CHARLES CITY
Winneshiek, Fayette, Howard, Chickasaw, Mitchell, Floyd, Worth. 101K
MASON CITY & ESTHERVILLE
Cerro Gordo, Hancock, Winnebago, Kossuth, Emmet, Palo Alto, Dickinson. 114K
FORT DODGE & STORM LAKE
Webster, Humboldt, Calhoun, Pocahontas, Buena Vista, Clay. 107K
LE MARS & CHEROKEE
Lyon, Sioux, Plymouth, Osceola, O'Brien, Cherokee. 104K
SIOUX CITY
Woodbury. 104K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 19, 2005, 07:42:58 AM
MINNESOTA
4.919 mio. 49 seats

Hennepin, 1.116 mio. 11 seats.
MINNEAPOLIS 1-4
Minneapolis (cities unless mentioned for Hennepin and Ramsey, Anoka, Washington and Dakota, btw), part of St Anthony in Hennepin county. 389K together.
BLOOMINGTON
Bloomington. 85K
RICHFIELD - EDINA - HOPKINS
Fort Snelling unincorporated territory, Richfield, Edina, Hopkins. 98K
EDEN PRAIRIE & MINNETONKA
Eden Prairie, Minnetonka, Shorewood, Greenwood, Excelsior. 116K
SAINT LOUIS PARK & GOLDEN VALLEY
Saint Louis Park, Golden Valley, Robbinsdale, Crystal. 101K
BROOKLYN PARK
Brooklyn Park, Brooklyn Center, Osseo. 98K
PLYMOUTH & (what's the name of that lake?)
New Hope, Plymouth, Medicine Lake, Medina, Loretto, Ocono, Long Lake, Minnetonka Beach, Spring Park, Wayzata, Woodland, Deephaven, Tonka Bay. 114K
MAPLE GROVE
Saint Bonifacius, Minnetrista, Mound, Spring Park, Independence, Maple Plain, Greenfield, Rockford, Corcoran, Hanover, Rogers, Hassan township (the only township in Hennepin county), Maple Grove, Dayton, Champlin. 114K
Some of these should actually be "part of xy in Hennepin county", sorry bout that. Also goes for following counties.

Ramsey county - 511K, 5 seats.
SAINT PAUL 1-3
Saint Paul, 287K together
ROSEVILLE & SHOREVIEW
Falcon Heights, Lauderdale, Roseville, Saint Anthony, New Brighton, Mounds View, Spring Lake Park, Arden Hills, Shoreview. 115K
MAPLEWOOD & WHITE BEAR LAKE
Remainder. 109K

Anoka county - 298K, 3 seats.
COON RAPIDS
Colonial Heights, Hilltop, Fridley, Spring Lake Park, Coon Rapids. 116K
BLAINE & LINO LAKES
Centerville, Lino Lakes, Circle Pines, Lexington, Blaine, Columbus township, Ham Lake. 89K
RAMSEY & ANDOVER
Linwood, Burns townships, East Bethel, Oak Grove, Andover, Bethel, Saint Francis, Ramsey, Anoka. 96K

Washington - 201K, 2 seats
WOODBURY
Woodbury, Cottage Grove, Newport, Saint Paul Park, Grey Cloud Island township, Denmark, Affton, Hastings, Lakeland, Lakeland Shores, Lake Saint Croix Beach, Saint Marys Point, West Lakeland township. 97K
OAKDALE & STILLWATER
remainder. 104K

Dakota - 356K, 4 seats
EAGAN
Eagan, Mendota Heights, Mendota township, Lilydale (76K together), part of Apple Valley (45K)
BURNSVILLE
Burnsville (60K), remainder of Apple Valley
SOUTH SAINT PAUL & ROSEMONT
West Saint Paul, South Saint Paul, Inver Grove Heights, Sunfish Lake, Rosemont. 84K
LAKEVILLE & HASTINGS
Remainder. 91K

As you'll notice, these 5 metro counties have just over half of Minnesota's population.

RED WING & FARIBAULT
Rice, Goodhue. 101K
ROCHESTER
Rochester city, Cascade, Haverhill, Marion, Rochester townships. 100K
WINONA
Remainder of Olmsted county; Wabasha, Winona. 96K
AUSTIN & (?) (or just MINNESOTA SOUTH EAST)
Houston, Fillmore, Mower, Dodge. 98K
SHAKOPEE (?) & CHASKA
Scott county, Chaska city of Carver county. 106K
CHANHASSEN & HUTCHINSON
Remainder of Carver county; Sibley, McLeod. 103K
MANKATO
Le Sueur, Nicollet, Blue Earth. 111K
ALBERT LEA
Freeborn, Waseca, Steele, Faribault. 103K
REDWOOD FALLS, FAIRMONT & NEW ULM
Redwood, Brown, Cottonwood, Watonwan, Jackson, Martin. 101K
MARSHALL & WORTHINGTON (or Pipestone might be included, for historical relevance)
Nobles, Rock, Murray, Pipestone, Lyon, Lincoln, Yellow Medicine, Lac qui Parle. 100K
WILLMAR & LITCHFIELD
Renville, Meeker, Kandiyohi, Chippewa, Swift. 106K
SAINT MICHAEL
Wright. 89K
SAINT CLOUD
Saint Cloud, Sartell, Waite Park, Saint Joseph, Rockville, Pleasat Lake, Kimball, Cold Spring, Avon cities, Le Sauk, Saint Augusta, Saint Joseph, Rockville, Saint Wendel, Lyndon, Fair Haven, Maine Prairie, Luxemburg, Wakefield, Collegeville, Avon townships. 99K
LITTLE FALLS
Remainder of Stearns; Todd, Morrison, Pope. 101K
SAUK RAPIDS & SHERBURNE
Sherburne, Benton. 98K
LOWER SAINT CROIX (if I reuse this in Wisconsin, hit me as hard as you can)
Chisago, Carlton, Pine. 100K
DULUTH
Duluth, Proctor, Hermantown cities, Midway, Rice Lake, Canosia, Lakewood townships. 106K
IRON RANGE & BOUNDARY WATERS
Remainder of Saint Louis county; Cook, Lake. 108K
CAMBRIDGE & MILLE LACS
Isanti, Kanabec, Mille Lacs, Aitkin. 83K
BRAINERD & LEECH LAKE
Crow Wing, Cass, Wadena, Hubbard. 114K
FERGUS FALLS & MORRIS
Otter Tail, Douglas, Grant, Stevens. 106K
MOORHEAD
Big Stone, Traverse, Wilkin, Clay, Norman, Becker. 105K
BEMIDJI & INTERNATIONAL FALLS
Itasca, Koochiching, Beltrami, Lake of the Woods. 103K
THIEF RIVER FALLS & CROOKSTON
Roseau, Kittson, Marshall, Pennington, Red Lake, Polk, Clearwater, Mahnomen. 93K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 19, 2005, 08:45:38 AM
Wisconsin
5,363 mio. 54 seats.

Not yet finished, some challenging geography.
Counties entitled to seats of their own are:
Eau Claire, 93K (named EAU CLAIRE)
LaCrosse, 107K (named LA CROSSE)
Dane, 427K
Rock, 152K. Coupled with Green (34K)
Walworth, 94K (named ELKHORN & WHITEWATER)
Kenosha, 150K
Racine, 188K
Milwaukee, 940K. After much contemplation, I have decided to try and create a Kenosha district, a Racine district, 9 Milwaukee districts, a Racine/Kenosha district, and a Racine/Milwaukee district, or a total of 13 districts in the region.
Waukesha, 361K
Dodge, 86K. Jefferson county (74K) is in between these two plus Dane and Walworth, and will be split between these two.
Ozaukee, 82K (named OZAUKEE, after the county)
Washington, 117K (named WEST BEND)
Sheboygan, 113K (named SHEBOYGAN)
Brown, 227K
Manitowoc, 83K. This county will be split, one part to go with the Door Peninsula counties of Kewaunee and Door (48K together), the other part with Calumet county (42K)
Fond du Lac, 97K (named FOND DU LAC)
Winnebago, 157K. Will be coupled with Waushara (23K)
Outagamie, 161K
Marathon, 126K. Will be coupled with Portage (67K).

County splits haven't been done yet, and won't get done today.
Multi-county constituencies are:
SHAWANO & WAUPACA
Shawano, Waupaca. 93K
MARINETTE & ANTIGO
Marinette, Langlade, Oconto, Menominee. 105K
RHINELANDER
Florence, Forest, Vilas, Oneida, Lincoln, Iron. 105K
SUPERIOR & ASHLAND
Douglas, Bayfield, Washburn, Sawyer, Ashland. 107K
RICE LAKE & SAINT CROIX FALLS
Burnett, Polk, Barron. 102K
NEW RICHMOND & RIVER FALLS
Saint Croix, Pierce. 100K
MENOMONIE & (?)
Dunn, Pepin, Buffalo, Trempealeau. 88K
FLAMBEAU RIVER (?)
Chippewa, Rusk, Taylor, Price. 106K
SPARTA & BLACK RIVER
Jackson, Clark, Monroe. 94K
BARABOO & RICHLAND CENTER
Vernon, Crawford, Richland, Sauk. 118K
PLATTEVILLE
Grant, Iowa, Lafayette. 89K
PORTAGE
Columbia, Marquette, Green Lake, Adams. 106K
WISCONSIN RAPIDS
Wood, Juneau. 100K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 19, 2005, 02:08:56 PM
Tap, tap, tap, ...

Must be IL next. I've spent some time in anticipation thinking how I would do it. But, I'd like to see your view first.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 20, 2005, 10:43:16 AM
Was supposed to be Michigan, actually, but okay, Illinois.
First off, though, the missing bits on Wisconsin.

Dane county:
MADISON NORTH EAST
MADISON SOUTH WEST
Madison (208K), Monona cities, Madison, Blooming Grove towns, Shorewood Hills, Maple Bluff villages. 228K together. Areas added for contiguity reasons.
STOUGHTON & SUN PRAIRIE
Sun Prairie, Stoughton cities, DeForest, Markhall, Deerfield, Cottage Grove, McFarland, something that I can't make out for the life of me but begins with Wa and ends with ee villages, Burke, Bristol, Sun Prairie, Windsor, York, Medina, Deerfield, Cottage Grove, Christiana, Pleasant Springs, Dunn, Albion, Dunkirk, Vienna, Westport towns, parts of Edgertown city and Cambridge village in Dane county. 102K
FITCHBURG & MIDDLETON
Remainder. 98K

Rock and Green counties:
JANESVILLE
Janesville, Milton cities, Janesville, Harmons, Rock, La Prairie, Bradford, Johnstown, Lime, Milton, Fulton towns, part of Edgertown city in Rock county. 90K
BELOIT & MONROE
Remainder of Rock county; Green county. 96K

Kenosha, Racine, and Milwaukee counties:
KENOSHA
Kenosha city, Somers town. 99K
BURLINGTON & PLEASANT PRAIRIE
Remainder of Kenosha county; Burlington city, Rochester, Waterford villages, Burlington, Rochester, Dover, Waterford, Norway towns. 92 K
RACINE
Racine city, Wind Point, North Bay, Elmwood Park, Sturtevant villages, Mount Pleasant town. 112K
OAK CREEK & CUDAHY
Remainder of Racine county; Cudahy, Saint Francis, Oak Creek, Saint Francis cities. 110K
FRANKLIN & GREENFIELD
Franklin, Greenfield cities, Hales Corners, Greendale villages. 86K
WAUWATOSA & WEST ALLIS
Wauwatosa, West Allis cities, West Milwaukee village. 112K
MILWAUKEE 1-6
Bulk of Milwaukee city (597K)
WHITEFISH BAY (named more for the bay than the village)
Glendale city, Brown Deer, River Hills, Fox Point, Whitefish Bay, Shorewood villages, part of Bayside village in Milwaukee county, aka the part of the county to the NE of the city (66K together), plus small part of Milwaukee city.

Waukesha, Jefferson, and Dodge counties:
BROOKFIELD & MUSKEGO
Brookfield, New Berlin, and Muskego cities; Elm Grove village. 110K
WAUKESHA
Waukesha, Pewaukee cities, Waukesha, Pewaukee towns. 94K
MENOMONEE FALLS & OCONOMOWOC
Oconomowoc city, Menomonee Falls, Lannon, Butler, Sussex, Merton, Chenequa, Lac La Belle, Oconomowoc Lake villages, Lisbon, Merton, Oconomowoc towns. 85K. All of these in Waukesha county.
BEAVER DAM & WATERTOWN
Dodge county; Waterloo, Lake Mills cities, Watertown, Milford, Waterloo, Lake Mills, Aztalan towns, part of Watertown city in Jefferson county. 115K
FORT ATKINSON & MUKWONAGO
Remainder of Waukesha county; Remainder of Jefferson county. 116K. I suppose I should move some more NW Waukesha county areas out of this district and into the Oconomowoc one. I don't feel like it. My boundaries look better. :P

Door, Kewanee, Manitowoc, Calumet counties:
MANITOWOC NORTH & DOOR PENINSULA
Door, Kewanee counties; Two Rivers city, Maribel, Mishicot villages, Cooperstown, Gibson, Two Creeks, Mishicot, Two Rivers towns (68K to here), parts of Manitowoc city and town (35K together)
MANITOWOC SOUTH & CALUMET
Calumet county; remainder of Manitowoc county (70K + parts of city and town)

Brown county:
GREEN BAY
Green Bay city, Scott, Green Bay, Humboldt towns. 109K
DE PERE & HOWARD
Remainder .116K

Outagamie county:
APPLETON
Part of Appleton city in Outagamie county, Kimberly village, Grand Chute town. 82K
KAUKAUNA
Remainder of county. Just 79K actually. I should shift some NW Brown county areas into this constituency.

Winnebago, Waushara counties:
OSHKOSH
Oshkosh, Omro cities; Oshkosh, Algoma, Black Wolf, Nekimi, Utica, Nepeuskun, Omro, Rushford, Vinland towns. 85K
NEENAH & WAUSHARA
Remainder of Winnebago county; Waushara county. 95K

Marathon, Portage counties:
WAUSAU
Wausau, Schofield, Mosinee cities, Rothschild, Weston, Brokaw, Marathon City villages, Wausau, Stettin, Rib Mountain, Maine, Texas, Berlin, Marathon, Mosinee, Kronenwetter towns. 90K
STEVENS POINT
Remainder of Marathon county; Portage county. 103K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 20, 2005, 11:27:31 AM

Former Congressman for the area.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 20, 2005, 12:19:20 PM
Not an acceptable name, in that case. THink of something else.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on May 20, 2005, 12:55:18 PM
Illinois.
Population 12,419 mio. 124 seats.
Cook County - 5,377 mio. 54 seats.
DuPage County - 904K. 9 seats.
Lake County - 644K. 6 seats.
Will County - 502K. 5 seats
Kane County - 404K. 4 seats
McHenry County 260K.Boone County, 42K, situated between McHenry, DeKalb, and Winnebago, added. 302K. 3 seats.
The splits for these Chicago area counties will be done next week, as I don't have time today.
The remainder of the state is done, though:

KANKAKEE
Kankakee. 104K
MORRIS & PLANO (?)
Kendall, Grundy. 93K
DE KALB
De Kalb. 89K
ROCKFORD NORTH
Part of Rockford township (179K)
ROCKFORD SOUTH
Remainder of Rockford township; Cherry Valley township (18K). 197K together.
MACHESNEY PARK & SOUTH BELOIT
Remainder of Winnebago county. 81K
FREEPORT
Jo Daviess, Stephenson, Carroll. 89K
DIXON & ROCHELLE
Ogle, Lee. 87K
OTTAWA, LA SALLE & PERU
La Salle. 112K
STERLING & EAST MOLINE
Whiteside county; Cordova, Coe, Canoe Creek, Zuma, Hampton townships of Rock Island county; part of East Moline city in South Moline township. 100K
ROCK ISLAND & MOLINE
Remainder of Rock Island county. 110K
PRINCETON & KEWANEE (?)
Henry, Bureau, Stark, Putnam, Marshall. 112K
MACOMB & MONMOUTH
Mercer, Warren, Henderson, McDonough, Hancock. 97K
QUINCY
Adams, Brown, Schuyler, Pike, Calhoun. 104K
GALESBURG
Knox, Fulton. 94K
PEORIA SOUTH
West Peoria, Hollis, Timber, Limestone, Logan, Trivoli townships (33K), part of Peoria City township (113K), possibly Richwoods township (7K) depending on distribution of population inside city of Peoria.
PEORIA NORTH
Remainder of Peoria county. 183K together.
PEKIN & EAST PEORIA
Washington, Fondulac, Pekin, Groveland, Elm Grove, Cincinnati, Spring Lake, Dillon, Sand Praire townships of Tazewell county. 97K
LINCOLN & (?)
Remainder of Tazewell county; Woodford, Mason, Logan counties. 113K
BLOOMINGTON & NORMAL
Bloomington City, Bloomington, Normal townships. 114K
CLINTON & (?, two more names might do well)
Remainder of McLean county; Piatt, DeWitt, Moultrie. 83K
WATSEKA & PONTIAC
Iroquois, Ford, Livingston. 85K
DANVILLE
Vermilion. 84K
CHAMPAIGN
Champaign City, Champaign, Hensley, Mahomet, Scott townships. 92K
URBANA & RENTOUL
Remainder of Champaign county. 88K
DECATUR
Macon. 115K
SPRINGFIELD NORTH EAST
Fancy Creek, Williams, Clear Lake, Mechanicsburg, Buffalo Hart, Lanesville, Iliopolis, Rochester, Cooper townships (23K); part of Capital township (111K), all or part of Springfield township (7K), possibly part of Woodside township (13K) - these latter depending on contiguity and on the Capital split.
SPRINGFIELD SOUTH WEST
Remainder of Sangamon county. 189K together.
BEARDSTOWN & JERSEYVILLE (or LOWER ILLINOIS RIVER)
Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey. 106K
ALTON
Alton, Godfrey, Foster, Wood River, Fort Russell, Moro townships of Madison county. 94K. Adding Oumphghent and Hamel might be an option, bringing the population to 98K, but also weirding the shape of the Edwardsville district.
GRANITE CITY & COLLINSVILLE
Granite City, Chouteau, Venice, Nameoki, Collinsville, Jarvis townships. 102K
EDWARDSVILLE & MACOUPIN
Remainder of Madison county; Macoupin county. 112K (or 108K without Oumphghent and Hamel.)
EAST SAINT LOUIS & CAHOKIA
East Saint Louis, Stites, Canteen, Centreville, Caseyville townships of Saint Clair county. 100K
BELLEVILLE
Belleville, Stookey, Saint Clair, Shiloh Valley, O'Fallon townships. 115K
CHESTER & WATERLOO
Remainder of Saint Clair county; Monroe, Randolph counties. 103K
TAYLORSVILLE & LITCHFIELD (?)
Christian, Montgomery, Shelby, Bond. 106K
CHARLESTON & PARIS (?)
Douglas, Coles, Cumberland, Edgar. 104K
LOWER WABASH (?)
Clark, Crawford, Jasper, Lawrence, Richland, Wabash, Edwards. 98K
EFFINGHAM & VANDALIA
Effingham, Fayette, Marion, Clay. 113K
FAIRFIELD & HARRISBURG
Wayne, Hamilton, White, Saline, Gallatin, Pope, Hardin, Johnson. 96K
MOUNT VERNON & DU QUOIN (? one more name for NE part perhaps)
Clinton, Washington, Perry, Jefferson. 114K
BENTON & MARION
Franklin, Williamson. 100K
CARBONDALE & CAIRO
Jackson, Union, Alexander, Pulaski, Massac. 110K


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 20, 2005, 03:53:59 PM
Not too far off my split. I'll highlight some differences with my comments in my next post.

My big picture split goes along these lines:
Chicago (except O'Hare) + Norwood Park: 2908 K, 29 seats.
N. Cook (except Maine Twp) + Lake + McHenry: 1816 K, 18 seats.
W. Cook (with O'Hare and Maine Twp) + DuPage + Kane: 2076 K, 21 seats.
S. Cook + Will: 1291 K, 13 seats.
Rest of the state: 4328 K, 43 seats.

I kept Boone outside of the Chicago collar counties. McHenry + Lake add up to almost exactly 9 seats, and Winnebago + Boone + DeKalb add up to 409 K for 4 seats.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: muon2 on May 21, 2005, 12:17:40 AM
My thoughts in color. The districts are rearranged in order as well.

NORTHERN REGION, 998 K, 10 seats

DeKalb, Boone and Winnebago add up to 409 K for four seats, most of the population of Boone in the Rockford metro area.

IL-82 DE KALB
De Kalb. 89K add Boone except for Belvidere and Caledonia Twp. 101K

IL-83 BELVIDERE MACHESNEY PARK & SOUTH BELOIT
Remainder of Winnebago county. 81K add Belvidere and Caledonia Twp from Boone. 111K

IL-84 ROCKFORD NORTH
Part of Rockford township (179K)
IL-85 ROCKFORD SOUTH
Remainder of Rockford township; Cherry Valley township (18K). 197K together.

IL-86 FREEPORT
Jo Daviess, Stephenson, Carroll. 89K

IL-87 DIXON DIXON & ROCHELLE
Ogle, Lee. 87K

IL-88 ROCK FALLS STERLING & EAST MOLINE
Whiteside county; Cordova, Coe, Canoe Creek, Zuma, Hampton townships of Rock Island county; part of East Moline city in South Moline township. 100K
IL-89 ROCK ISLAND & MOLINE
Remainder of Rock Island county. 110K
I had grouped Moline, S. Moline, Rock Island and S. Rock Island Twps for 97K, leaving a thin connect between the north and south half of the other district 113K. Yours works as well.

IL-90 KEWAUNEE PRINCETON & KEWANEE (?)
Henry, Bureau, Stark, Putnam, Marshall. 112K drop Marshall. 93K.

IL-91 OTTAWA, LA SALLE & PERU
La Salle. 112K

EAST CENTRAL REGION, 910 K, 9 seats

IL-92 OSWEGOMORRIS & PLANO (?)
Kendall, Grundy. 93K

IL-93 KANKAKEE
Kankakee. 104K

IL-94 PONTIACWATSEKA & PONTIAC
Iroquois, Ford, Livingston. 85K Ford, Livingston, Woodford. 89K

IL-95 DANVILLE
Vermilion. 84K add Iroquois. 115K

Champaign and Piatt together have 197K. There a number of ways to split them.
IL-96 CHAMPAIGN
Champaign City, Champaign, Hensley, Mahomet, Scott townships. 92K Champaign City, Champaign, Scott Twp, plus Piatt County. 97K
IL-97 URBANA URBANA & RENTOUL
Remainder of Champaign county. 88K 100K

IL-98 DECATUR
Macon. 115K

McLean must be split, but I'd combine it with DeWitt and Logan. 198K

IL-99 BLOOMINGTON & NORMAL
Bloomington City, Bloomington, Normal townships. 114K drop Bloomington Twp for 110K
IL-100 LINCOLN CLINTON & (?, two more names might do well)
Remainder of McLean county; Piatt, DeWitt, Moultrie. 83K Remainder of McLean, DeWitt, Logan. 88K

WEST CENTRAL REGION, 986 K, 10 seats

Tazewell, Morgan, Mason and Cass equal 195K
IL-101 EAST PEORIA PEKIN & EAST PEORIA
Washington, Fondulac, Pekin, Groveland, Elm Grove, Cincinnati, Spring Lake, Dillon, Sand Praire townships of Tazewell county. 97K Fondulac, Groveland, Morton, Pekin, Washington Twp. 98K
IL-102 JACKSONVILLE LINCOLN & (?)
Remainder of Tazewell county; Woodford, Mason, Logan counties. 113K Remainder of Tazewell, Cass, Mason, Morgan. 97K

Peoria, Stark and Marshall equal 203K.
IL-103 PEORIA CITYPEORIA SOUTH
West Peoria, Hollis, Timber, Limestone, Logan, Trivoli townships (33K), part of Peoria City township (113K), possibly Richwoods township (7K) depending on distribution of population inside city of Peoria. Just Peoria City Twp. 113K
IL-104 PEORIA HEIGHTS PEORIA NORTH
Remainder of Peoria county. 183K together. Remainder of Peoria, Stark, Marshall. 90K

IL-105 GALESBURG
Knox, Fulton. 94K Try Knox, Henderson, Mercer, Warren. 100K

IL-106 MACOMB MACOMB & MONMOUTH
Mercer, Warren, Henderson, McDonough, Hancock. 97K Fulron, Hancock, McDonough, Schuyler. 98K

IL-107 QUINCY
Adams, Brown, Schuyler, Pike, Calhoun. 104K drop Schuyler. 98K

IL-108 CARLINVILLE BEARDSTOWN & JERSEYVILLE (or LOWER ILLINOIS RIVER)
Menard, Cass, Morgan, Scott, Greene, Jersey. 106K Greene, Jersey, Macoupin, Scott. 91K

Sangamon and Menard together equal 202K.
IL-109 SPRINGFIELD SPRINGFIELD NORTH EAST
Fancy Creek, Williams, Clear Lake, Mechanicsburg, Buffalo Hart, Lanesville, Iliopolis, Rochester, Cooper townships (23K); part of Capital township (111K), all or part of Springfield township (7K), possibly part of Woodside township (13K) - these latter depending on contiguity and on the Capital split. just Springfield City (Capital Twp). 111K
IL-110 SANGAMON SPRINGFIELD SOUTH WEST
Remainder of Sangamon county. 189K together. Remainder of Sangamon, Menard. 90K

METRO EAST REGION, 515 K, 5 seats

Madison and St Clair together make very close to 5 seats, and the surrounding counties are much more rural and "southern", unlike the urban and suburban areas in the Metro East.
 
IL-111 ALTON
Alton, Godfrey, Foster, Wood River, Fort Russell, Moro townships of Madison county. 94K. Adding Oumphghent and Hamel might be an option, bringing the population to 98K, but also weirding the shape of the Edwardsville district.  Add Alhambra, Leef, New Douglas, Olive. 104K.

IL-112 EDWARDSVILLE & GRANITE CITY GRANITE CITY & COLLINSVILLE
Granite City, Chouteau, Venice, Nameoki, Collinsville, Jarvis townships. 102K drop Collinsville and Jarvis, add Edwardsville, Marine, Pin Oak, Saline. 100K

IL-113 COLLINSVILLE & O'FALLON EDWARDSVILLE & MACOUPIN
Remainder of Madison county; Macoupin county. 112K (or 108K without Oumphghent and Hamel.)  Madison: Collinsville, Helvetia, Jarvis, St Jacob; St Clair: Caseyville, O'Fallon. 103K

IL-114 EAST ST LOUIS EAST SAINT LOUIS & CAHOKIA
East Saint Louis, Stites, Canteen, Centreville, Caseyville townships of Saint Clair county. 100K drop Caseyville and add Millstadt, Prairie du Long, Smithton, Stookey, Sugar Loaf. 100K

IL-115 BELLEVILLE
Belleville, Stookey, Saint Clair, Shiloh Valley, O'Fallon townships. 115K Belleville, Englemann, Fayetteville, Freeburg, Lebanon, Lenzburg, Marissa, Mascoutah, New Athens, St Clair, Shiloh Valley. 108K

SOUTHERN REGION, 918 K, 9 seats

IL-116 KASKASKIA CHESTER & WATERLOO
Remainder of Saint Clair county; Monroe, Randolph counties. 103K Monroe, Perry, Randolph, Washington. 100K

IL-117 LITCHFIELD & VANDALIA TAYLORSVILLE & LITCHFIELD (?)
Christian, Montgomery, Shelby, Bond. 106K Bond, Clinton, Fayette, Montgomery. 106K

IL-118 CHARLESTON CHARLESTON & PARIS (?)
Douglas, Coles, Cumberland, Edgar. 104K I swapped Clark for Cumberland. 110K

IL-119 EFFINGHAM EFFINGHAM & VANDALIA
Effingham, Fayette, Marion, Clay. 113K Christian, Effingham, Moultrie, Shelby. 107K

IL-120 LITTLE WABASH LOWER WABASH (?)
Clark, Crawford, Jasper, Lawrence, Richland, Wabash, Edwards. 98K Drop Clark and add Clay and Cumberland. 108K

IL-121 MT VERNON MOUNT VERNON & DU QUOIN (? one more name for NE part perhaps)
Clinton, Washington, Perry, Jefferson. 114K Jefferson, Marion, Wayne. 99K

IL-122 SALINE RIVER FAIRFIELD & HARRISBURG
Wayne, Hamilton, White, Saline, Gallatin, Pope, Hardin, Johnson. 96K Franklin, Gallatin, Hamilton, Saline, White. 96K

IL-123 MARION BENTON & MARION
Franklin, Williamson. 100K Hardin, Johnson, Massac, Pope, Williamson. 99K

IL-124 CARBONDALE CARBONDALE & CAIRO
Jackson, Union, Alexander, Pulaski, Massac. 110K Drop Massac. 95K



Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on June 13, 2005, 02:46:17 AM
Illinois.
Population 12,419 mio. 124 seats.
Cook County - 5,377 mio. 54 seats.
DuPage County - 904K. 9 seats.
Lake County - 644K. 6 seats.
Will County - 502K. 5 seats
Kane County - 404K. 4 seats
McHenry County 260K.Boone County, 42K, situated between McHenry, DeKalb, and Winnebago, added. 302K. 3 seats.
The splits for these Chicago area counties will be done next week, as I don't have time today.
So much for that...


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 07, 2007, 02:03:30 AM
This was pretty cool. Can't believe I missed it last time.


Lake Minnetonka

I also think it would make more sense to keep Austin and Albert Lea together. Albert Lea would HATE your district including it.

Here's how they'd all vote:

MINNEAPOLIS 1-4 - all solid DFL obviously
BLOOMINGTON - swing seat. Probably votes GOP if they can get a moderate through the primary. Otherwise DFL. Probably held by a DFLer now based on the state leg seats.
RICHFIELD - EDINA - HOPKINS - Lean DFL
EDEN PRAIRIE & MINNETONKA - Lean GOP
SAINT LOUIS PARK & GOLDEN VALLEY - Fairly strong Dem
BROOKLYN PARK - see Bloomington
PLYMOUTH & LAKE MINNETONKA - Fairly strong GOP
MAPLE GROVE - super-ultra-strong GOP
SAINT PAUL 1-3 - Solid DFL, yawn...
ROSEVILLE & SHOREVIEW - Fairly Strong DFL
MAPLEWOOD & WHITE BEAR LAKE - Lean DFL
COON RAPIDS - Tossup. Slight DFL Lean
BLAINE & LINO LAKES - Lean GOP
RAMSEY & ANDOVER - Lean GOP
WOODBURY - tossup leaning DFL
OAKDALE & STILLWATER - tossup leaning GOP
EAGAN - Leans GOP, goes DFL if they nominate a hard right winger
BURNSVILLE - see above
SOUTH SAINT PAUL & ROSEMONT - DFL
LAKEVILLE & HASTINGS - Fairly strong GOP
RED WING & FARIBAULT - Lean DFL
ROCHESTER - Traditionally strong GOP, now weakening greatly. DFL now controls the state leg seats in the area, but I'll be nice and assume the GOP still has this one.
WINONA - Heavily Leans DFL
AUSTIN - Strong DFL
SHAKOPEE (?) & CHASKA - Strong GOP
CHANHASSEN & HUTCHINSON - Super-strong GOP
MANKATO - Lean DFL
ALBERT LEA - Lean GOP (and everyone in Freeborn county is very very pissed off)
REDWOOD FALLS, FAIRMONT & NEW ULM - Super-strong GOP
MARSHALL & WORTHINGTON  - Strong GOP
WILLMAR & LITCHFIELD - Probably GOP, but the DFL would have a great shot
SAINT MICHAEL - Super-strong GOP
SAINT CLOUD - complete tossup
LITTLE FALLS - Lean GOP
SAUK RAPIDS & SHERBURNE - Strong GOP
LOWER SAINT CROIX - Strong DFL (and a badly drawn district)
DULUTH - Uber-DFL
IRON RANGE & BOUNDARY WATERS - Uber-DFL
CAMBRIDGE & MILLE LACS - Lean GOP
BRAINERD & LEECH LAKE - Lean GOP
FERGUS FALLS & MORRIS - Fairly strong GOP
MOORHEAD - DFL wins it if they get a populist through the primary. Probably would
BEMIDJI & INTERNATIONAL FALLS - Fairly strong DFL
THIEF RIVER FALLS & CROOKSTON - Lean GOPd

So you basically have 25 DFL seats, 23 GOP seats and a complete tossup one. Dependening on circumstances though the DFL seats could be anywhere from 18-35 and GOP seats anywhere from 14-31

I'll comment on the North Dakota one tommorow too.

That SD majority Native seat is interesting too in guessing if it'd elect a Native Democrat or white Democrat. I'd guess a white Democrat.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Alcon on March 07, 2007, 02:51:08 AM
Aye, Lewis, whatever happened to that?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on March 07, 2007, 09:56:18 AM
Aye, Lewis, whatever happened to that?
I quit.

Obviously.

Nor am I going to restart it, at least until I'm finished with Kingdom Cum.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on March 07, 2007, 10:05:07 AM
For decades Chicago has been divided into community areas that now coincide with groups of census tracts that have summary data collected for them. In terms of census data they area at an equivalent level to townships. The Chicago Community Area Data can be found at the City of Chicago's Department of Planning and Development.

The url for the page with the map is map page (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0286227019.1115155072@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddeidjiigkcefecelldffhdfgn.0&contentOID=536896854&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&blockName=Planning+And+Development%2F+North%2FI+Want+To&context=dept&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Planning+And+Development&deptMainCategoryOID=-536886114)

The population data can be looked up on this page: pop page (http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalDeptCategoryAction.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0286227019.1115155072@@@@&BV_EngineID=cccfaddeidjiigkcefecelldffhdfgn.0&deptCategoryOID=-536889699&contentType=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&entityName=Planning+And+Development&deptMainCategoryOID=-536886126)

If you want my suggestions on the division into 100 K units I'll be happy to oblige.
Funny thing is, I'd only just now sent muon a pm asking about those links again... but they don't seem to be working right now. :(


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 07, 2007, 12:29:14 PM
I just calculated, the Native majority district in SD voted 51.81% for Kerry. So it possibly could go Republican in a very low Native turnout situation. Of course it also voted 61.58% for Daschle in 2004, so it wouln't be that difficult for a Democrat to overperform on Kerry's numbers and get a bit of a cushion. Most likely a relatively moderate white Democrat would win and become an entrenched popular incumbent.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on March 07, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
I just calculated, the Native majority district in SD voted 51.81% for Kerry. So it possibly could go Republican in a very low Native turnout situation. Of course it also voted 61.58% for Daschle in 2004, so it wouln't be that difficult for a Democrat to overperform on Kerry's numbers and get a bit of a cushion. Most likely a relatively moderate white Democrat would win and become an entrenched popular incumbent.
Where's a White Democrat for that district going to come from? It's inhabited almost exclusively by Native American Democrats and White Republicans. :P


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 07, 2007, 03:04:59 PM
Lyman and Charles Mix counties no doubt have a significant number of white Democrats. Bennett too.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Alcon on March 07, 2007, 03:07:31 PM
Lyman and Charles Mix counties no doubt have a significant number of white Democrats. Bennett too.

Indeed - there's plenty of white Democrats in the area, if you look at precinct results for towns that are almost entirely white.  They're obviously the minority, but they certainly exist in significant numbers.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on March 07, 2007, 03:09:23 PM
Lyman and Charles Mix counties no doubt have a significant number of white Democrats. Bennett too.

Indeed - there's plenty of white Democrats in the area, if you look at precinct results for towns that are almost entirely white.  They're obviously the minority, but they certainly exist in significant numbers.
Yeah, but could one win a primary?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: Alcon on March 07, 2007, 03:11:22 PM
Lyman and Charles Mix counties no doubt have a significant number of white Democrats. Bennett too.

Indeed - there's plenty of white Democrats in the area, if you look at precinct results for towns that are almost entirely white.  They're obviously the minority, but they certainly exist in significant numbers.
Yeah, but could one win a primary?

I don't see why not.  It's not as if Native Americans aren't used to voting for white Democrats for everything.

After all, Stephanie Herseth's 2006 opponent was an Indian.  But then again, he probably was hardly contested.

I think a moderate Indian Democrat is more likely.  But how high is NA turnout in the primary?


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 07, 2007, 03:12:50 PM
Lyman and Charles Mix counties no doubt have a significant number of white Democrats. Bennett too.

Indeed - there's plenty of white Democrats in the area, if you look at precinct results for towns that are almost entirely white.  They're obviously the minority, but they certainly exist in significant numbers.
Yeah, but could one win a primary?

Native turnout is usually rather low, I'd imagine that in primaries it's absolutely atrocious.

That's usually what happens in similar state legislature districts btw. I believe that the State Senator for the district that contains Sioux county in ND is a white Democrat from Grant County.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 07, 2007, 10:49:04 PM
Here's a brief comparison of white vs. Native turnout:

Haakon is the only predominately white county in Lewis' district. It has a population in 2004 I'm estimating of around 2000, of which 1600 were of voting age. 1240 votes were cast in it in 2004.

Shannon County had a population of around 13,400 in 2004. Of those about 7800 were legal voting age. It had 4214 votes cast in it in 2004.

That means Haakon had eligible voter turnout of 77.5%, while Shannon had turnout of 54%.

And 2004 was a good year for Shannon. In 2000 it had half as many votes cast. My rough calculations show an eligible voter turnout of around 27%.

BTW, I don't know about SD's leg, but I looked at ND's and didn't find any Native members, even in the heavily Native districts. I also learned that out of 47 districts, Kerry only won 2 of them, one based around Rollette county, the other located in Fargo. He also came about a point of winning a seat in Grand Forks, and about 2 points of winning a district that contains some heavily Native areas near Minot (and that includes Mountrail county that he came within 2 points of winning). All of these seats elect Democrats, and all are white, even the Rollette county district (which is the only Native majority one in the state)


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on March 08, 2007, 10:58:55 AM
SD has two-member House districts that also serve as single-member Senate districts... except for two Senate districts that are split into single-member districts so that one of them is Native-majority. Another district, which includes Pine Ridge, would appear to be Native-majority anyways. As far as I can see, there would appear to be three Native legislators, all Democrats. The Pine Ridge Senator (who looks full-blood to me, and is a woman, and has one of those pretty surnames - "Two Bulls"), one Pine Ridge Representative (who's obviously mixed-blood, though. His White colleague is a Republican), and one of the split district Representatives (for Corson etc - he too would appear to be mixed blood). At Rosebud though, there is indeed a White Democratic state Rep holding the native-majority split district.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 08, 2007, 09:42:07 PM
SD has two-member House districts that also serve as single-member Senate districts...

Same deal in ND.

The Pine Ridge Senator (who looks full-blood to me, and is a woman, and has one of those pretty surnames - "Two Bulls")

I remember how I got really pissed in early grade school because I didn't have a cool last name like lots of my classmates :D

one Pine Ridge Representative (who's obviously mixed-blood, though. His White colleague is a Republican), and one of the split district Representatives (for Corson etc - he too would appear to be mixed blood). At Rosebud though, there is indeed a White Democratic state Rep holding the native-majority split district.

Interesting, but the difference between Pine Ridge and the ND reservations is Pine Ridge is almost exclusively Native and thus no one else can run, but all the ND areas have a significant white population. The district containing Standing Rock also contains some nearby heavily white counties (and voted over 60% for Bush despite all three representatives being Democrats) and even Standing Rock itself contains some areas of significant white settlement, my neighborhood was about 1/3 white (and it actually wasn't located in Fort Yates proper, but neither does a majority of the Fort Yates area), Selfridge is about 40% white (and voted for Bush narrowly) and I there's a predominately white area out in the western part of the county (this explains the two precincts that voted over 77% and 66% for Bush and in 2000 each vote over 67% for Bush with Pat Buchanan taking over 11 and 12% leaving with Gore with less than 20% in both) and Rolette county is about 25% white. I assume the case is simply that Natives aren't interested in politics beyond the tribal and local level and aren't running. The State Senator from Rollette (who is also Minority Leader) looks like he's mixed-race though, the wiki article on him says he holds his family's original claim to their land from the Homestead Act of 1862, so if they've lived there that long there probably no doubt has been some mixing.

BTW, one of the peculiarities of Sioux County that I still haven't figured out is that the Hispanic population is larger than the state average and is almost 4% in Fort Yates proper. I do know a Hispanic from there though, a good friend of my mom's, she now lives in Mandan, has a white husband whose also a Buddhist (how's that for a couple in North Dakota?) and an adopted Native daughter.


Title: The Bump that nobody expected
Post by: minionofmidas on February 19, 2012, 11:43:15 AM
Yeah, me too. It's just that I don't know how to make them. And am not always working from the same computer.
Nowadays, of course, we have the DRA.

I'll not be sticking to the rules outlined in the opening post though. Less tolerance now, say 5000 from the state average. Still keeping the number of county splits to a minimum.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on February 19, 2012, 11:58:30 AM
()

Crazy Laconia & points se district is, I think necessary if you want to split no more counties than necessary and split no townships except Manchester (which is slightly too large for one district) and have one district entirely in Manchester. Might be preferable to ignore the meaningless New England counties, but the Nashua district is dictated by the remaining rules anyways, and room for maneuver is limited across Hillsborough and Rockingham, so something odd would probably arise anyways.

New Hampshire North 101,429, 55.3% Obama
Lebanon 99,966, 61.3% Obama
Cheshire 101,923, 62.4% Obama
Laconia & North Rockingham 101,180, 49.8% Obama (would no doubt elect a Republican)
Dover & Rochester 103,347, 61.5% Obama
Portsmouth 101,608, 57.7% Obama
Derry & Mid Rockingham 103,123, 53.4% McCain
Salem & Hudson 102,363, 54.9% McCain
Nashua 99,169, 81.0% anglo, 54.9% Obama
West Hillsborough 102,177, 51.3% Obama (would no doubt elect a Republican)
Manchester 99,709, 81.9% anglo, 55.2% Obama
Manchester West & Hooksett (or whatever you'd call it) 100,391, 52.2% McCain
Concord 100,085, 59.9% Obama

All other districts over 90% anglo.



Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on February 19, 2012, 12:27:04 PM
Reworked it. That Laconia district was just too damn silly. Even reduced the number of county splits by one.

Granted, the districts between Manchester and Nashua look a bit silly now, but that's exurbia anyways. (One of them is also very near the upper limit of tolerance now.) On the plus side, West Hillsborough has been improved on.

()

New Hampshire North 101,429, 55.3% Obama
Lebanon 101,065, 62.5% Obama
Cheshire 101,923, 62.4% Obama
Concord 100,708, 58.1% Obama
Belknap 100,859, 51.3% Obama (would no doubt elect a Republican)
Dover & Rochester 103,347, 61.5% Obama
Mid Rockingham (or whatever you'd call it) 100,251, 53.3% McCain
Portsmouth 101,608, 57.7% Obama
Derry & Salem 104,559, 53.7% McCain
West Hillsborough 99,655, 51.1% Obama (would no doubt elect a Republican)
Manchester 100,966, 81.8% anglo, 55.2% Obama
Merrimack & Hudson (or whatever you want to call it, these are just the two largest townships) 100,931, 53.5% McCain
Nashua 99,169, 81.0% anglo, 54.9% Obama

All other districts over 90% anglo.


Title: Re: Well, look what HE's doing to US now...
Post by: minionofmidas on February 19, 2012, 03:57:19 PM
Moving this to a new thread.