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Title: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: SWE on June 30, 2015, 02:59:35 PM http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/cuba-stops-mother-child-hiv-transmission-n384481
Quote Cuba is the first country in the world to stop the transmission of the AIDS virus from mothers to their babies, the World Health Organization said Monday. Cuba's also stopped the transmission of syphilis from mothers to newborns -- two feats that show it's possible to control epidemics of both infections. "Eliminating transmission of a virus is one of the greatest public health achievements possible," said WHO Director-General Dr. Margaret Chan. "This is a major victory in our long fight against HIV and sexually transmitted infections, and an important step towards having an AIDS-free generation." Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on June 30, 2015, 03:58:10 PM Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it!
Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 30, 2015, 09:18:09 PM Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it! And when there aren't enough Americans with syphilis, the US government fixes that problem. Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: The Free North on June 30, 2015, 09:30:42 PM Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it! Stop posting. Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: World politics is up Schmitt creek on June 30, 2015, 10:15:32 PM Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it! Stop posting. CrabCake is one of our best posters. Who the hell are you? Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: TNF on June 30, 2015, 10:45:32 PM Yet more proof of the 'failure' of state-run, centrally planned economies! ::)
Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: free my dawg on June 30, 2015, 10:50:04 PM Ugh, America was born with syphillis and no dang commie is going to take syphilis away from it! Stop posting. Who are you again? Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: dead0man on June 30, 2015, 11:22:36 PM You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201265115527622647.html)) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs.
Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Beezer on July 01, 2015, 04:32:45 AM Now they can team up with North Korea to eradicate other diseases.
Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Blair on July 01, 2015, 05:05:38 AM You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201265115527622647.html)) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs. that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria. Literally Cuban healthcare is better in almost every sense. Every indicator shows that Cuba is better-look at the Ebola outbreak and look who was on the front-line first... cuba. Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: dead0man on July 01, 2015, 05:27:04 AM You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201265115527622647.html)) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs. that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria. Quote Literally Cuban healthcare is better in almost every sense. You don't need to a look for a cite for this, since it's complete bull spit.Quote Every indicator shows that Cuba is better-look at the Ebola outbreak and look who was on the front-line first... cuba. So, what you're telling me, is that if, Og forbid, you come down with the Ebola....you think your chances are better in Havana than Omaha?Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: 🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸 on July 02, 2015, 12:48:38 PM Like it literally doesn't happen a single time anymore? I'm skeptical, but its great it's been reduced so much.
Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Simfan34 on July 03, 2015, 09:11:34 AM Yet more proof of the 'failure' of state-run, centrally planned economies! ::) ... Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Blair on July 10, 2015, 11:45:49 AM You guys might have a good point if the healthcare in Cuba worked as advertised (If you're poor and don't know anybody, sucks to be you unless it's an emergency (http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/06/201265115527622647.html)) or America hadn't come up with tens of thousands of medical breakthroughs. that's complete bollocks. Cuba's health system has actually outpaced America in fighting measles, HIV and Malaria. Quote Literally Cuban healthcare is better in almost every sense. You don't need to a look for a cite for this, since it's complete bull spit.Quote Every indicator shows that Cuba is better-look at the Ebola outbreak and look who was on the front-line first... cuba. So, what you're telling me, is that if, Og forbid, you come down with the Ebola....you think your chances are better in Havana than Omaha?Do some reading bro.... Here (http://www.macleans.ca/society/health/what-cuba-can-teach-canada-about-vaccines/) And here, which shows that Cuba's healthcare is pretty decent (http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/4/817.full) Quote number of common illnesses have been eliminated altogether, often for the first time in any country [poliomyelitis (1962), neonatal tetanus (1972), diphtheria (1979), measles (1993), pertussis (1994), rubella and mumps (1995)]. In 1962, against the advice of external health officials, ‘vaccination days’ were established with the goal of reaching the entire population. When this method quickly proved to be effective in eliminating polio it was subsequently adopted elsewhere as the primary strateg And yeah Cuba has outpaced the US in tons of areas... lower infant mortality rate (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/31/tom-harkin/sen-tom-harkin-says-cuba-has-lower-child-mortality/) Cuba is better at fighting HIV (http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/35/4/817.full) Quote nation-wide screening programme which began in 1987 reached 80% of the sexually active population (∼3.5 million people) and identified 268 HIV-positive individuals.Treatment is now provided in the outpatient setting; domestically produced triple therapy has been provided free to all paediatric patients since 1998 and to adults with HIV or AIDS since 2000 Quote At the time when New York City (roughly the same population as Cuba) had 43,000 cases of AIDS, Cuba had 200 AIDS patients Quote So, what you're telling me, is that if, Og forbid, you come down with the Ebola....you think your chances are better in Havana than Omaha? Yes, as seen in Houston the US can't really deal with public health emergencies when the public is A) So badly informed B) Treated my such a fragmented health service Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: dead0man on July 11, 2015, 12:24:11 AM Speaking of reading bro.....
I never saw a cite for Cuba being better at fighting measles or malaria and their treatment of gays and HIV patients isn't really something you'd want to repeat here or anywhere else. Better now, sure, but still not as friendly as, say, Houston. Where nobody has ever been put into permanent quarantine because they had the HIV. Having a lower infant mortality rate isn't a sign of better health care, it's a sign of less sh**tty mothers (not that having a baby die on you means you're a sh**tty mother, obviously). Plus, from your own freaking link Quote International comparisons of infant mortality rates are potentially biased by definitions, reporting practices, and differential use of technology, thus the rank order of countries within a narrow range should be interpreted cautiously.35,36 While Cuba adheres to WHO reporting recommendations and attempts to resuscitate all live births, the perinatal mortality rate is higher than is found in industrialized countries,22 suggesting a potential shift in events from infant to fetal deaths. Even with careful attention to case definitions comparisons are difficult since technological interventions, particularly in the US, result in the live delivery of more very low birth weight babies.36⇓–38 However, the slope of the infant mortality decline is potentially less biased and by this measure Cuba compares favourably with societies with the best reproductive health records (e.g. Japan, Sweden, and Singapore). Although maternal deaths are rare events, the 2003 rate in Cuba was 39.5 per 100 000 live births; in Canada and the United States maternal mortality is 7–8 per 100 000 overall, and 20 among black women in the US. So mothers in Cuba die during pregnancy more than 5 times more often than US mothers AND we're better at pulling out barely alive babies, of course the numbers for babies dying will be higher in the US.And I'll note you never addressed the fact that if you're poor, aren't in the THE Party and don't live in Havana, medical care kind of sucks/doesn't exist. Look, healthcare in Cuba is pretty damn good.....compared to other third world hell holes and I'm sure the best care in Cuba is better than the worst care in the US. But it's pure stupid to claim the care you get there generally is on par with any 1st world country. It's just not, no matter how much you may ideologically want it to be. and just a couple of other points that didn't fit anywhere else.....Doctors in Cuba make $67....a MONTH....and that's with a large raise LAST YEAR. I've made more money while typing this post (I'm at work) than a Cuba doctor makes in a week. That's funked up. And while care is free in Cuba, drugs ain't. Out of pocket. And if you make less than $50 a month it can be hard to find that $15 for your heart medicine. also sociolismo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociolismo). Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Blair on July 11, 2015, 03:30:05 AM Speaking of reading bro..... I never saw a cite for Cuba being better at fighting measles or malaria and their treatment of gays and HIV patients isn't really something you'd want to repeat here or anywhere else. Better now, sure, but still not as friendly as, say, Houston. Where nobody has ever been put into permanent quarantine because they had the HIV. Having a lower infant mortality rate isn't a sign of better health care, it's a sign of less sh**tty mothers (not that having a baby die on you means you're a sh**tty mother, obviously). Plus, from your own freaking link Quote International comparisons of infant mortality rates are potentially biased by definitions, reporting practices, and differential use of technology, thus the rank order of countries within a narrow range should be interpreted cautiously.35,36 While Cuba adheres to WHO reporting recommendations and attempts to resuscitate all live births, the perinatal mortality rate is higher than is found in industrialized countries,22 suggesting a potential shift in events from infant to fetal deaths. Even with careful attention to case definitions comparisons are difficult since technological interventions, particularly in the US, result in the live delivery of more very low birth weight babies.36⇓–38 However, the slope of the infant mortality decline is potentially less biased and by this measure Cuba compares favourably with societies with the best reproductive health records (e.g. Japan, Sweden, and Singapore). Although maternal deaths are rare events, the 2003 rate in Cuba was 39.5 per 100 000 live births; in Canada and the United States maternal mortality is 7–8 per 100 000 overall, and 20 among black women in the US. So mothers in Cuba die during pregnancy more than 5 times more often than US mothers AND we're better at pulling out barely alive babies, of course the numbers for babies dying will be higher in the US.And I'll note you never addressed the fact that if you're poor, aren't in the THE Party and don't live in Havana, medical care kind of sucks/doesn't exist. Look, healthcare in Cuba is pretty damn good.....compared to other third world hell holes and I'm sure the best care in Cuba is better than the worst care in the US. But it's pure stupid to claim the care you get there generally is on par with any 1st world country. It's just not, no matter how much you may ideologically want it to be. and just a couple of other points that didn't fit anywhere else.....Doctors in Cuba make $67....a MONTH....and that's with a large raise LAST YEAR. I've made more money while typing this post (I'm at work) than a Cuba doctor makes in a week. That's funked up. And while care is free in Cuba, drugs ain't. Out of pocket. And if you make less than $50 a month it can be hard to find that $15 for your heart medicine. also sociolismo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociolismo). Quote I never saw a cite for Cuba being better at fighting measles or malaria Sorry, I'll make it clearer. The US got rid of measles in 2000, with outbreaks still happening. Cuba got rid of measles in 1994, and apart from one case I saw from a dodgy vaccine has managed to limit any outbreaks since. Cuba is much better at vaccinations because you don't get crazies like Robert Kennedy Jnr screaming they're going to turn you into a zombie Quote Cuba's strategy for measles elimination has interrupted disease transmission and kept the causal virus from circulating on the island. Cuba's experience with measles elimination suggests that if an appropriate vaccination strategy is applied, measles can be globally eradicated. I never mentioned anything about gays. Please tell me you don't think that all cuba HIV patients are gay? Sure they're HIV treatment in the 1980's wasn't perfect, I think it was better than doing what the US did healthcare wise. In fact Cuba's 'quarantine' program was one proposed by the US Quote Programs similar to Cuba’s experiment with quarantine were also proposed in many parts of the US in the 1980s. Between 1987 and 1990, for example, “more than a dozen states” brought AIDS within the scope of state quarantine statutes. This sums it up (http://www.hhrjournal.org/2013/09/06/hivaids-in-cuba-a-rights-based-analysis/) Quote Selective attacks on and caricatures of the Cuban program have not helped understanding and have deprived others of the lessons that can be learned from the Cuban experience. The Cuban system has made mistakes, developed its own practices, learned from the international experience, and effectively built its capacity to meet the needs and the rights of patients, families, and the community. Actually having a lower infant mortality rate is a sign of better health care. Health care isn't just about the emergency room, it's about primary care at all levels-including education, diet etc. On this level, for mothers the treatment from the MADI scheme is much better in Cuba than what you get in America-it's even worse in the US for African-American Children. Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers But nah, I get it. There's data that disagrees with your argument, lets look at other health indicators. Life expectancy is 76 for men in Cuba, 78 for the US. 81 for women in cuba, 81 for women in the US. So on that level it's a level playing field right? Let's expand it, and look at the most important thing in healthcare-inequality. Sure a rich white guy from orange county is going to be healthy, but what about a native American kid on a reserve in South Dakota? 6 times as likely to die from a heart attack, face the highest death rate out of any minority from diabetes, 32% of them live in poverty, suicide is the second highest killer for young men. That shouldn't be allowled to happen in any country, heck Bobby Kennedy told everyone about the problems in 1968 and no-one seems to have done anything about it. You'll ask me to cite this so I will http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/8/28/5-huge-native-americanhealthissuesyoudontknowabout.html http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/10/10/14340090-suicide-is-epidemic-for-american-indian-youth-what-more-can-be-done?lite Quote And I'll note you never addressed the fact that if you're poor, aren't in the THE Party and don't live in Havana, medical care kind of sucks/doesn't exist. Highlighted that for a laugh-not only is it simply not true-everyone has universal healthcare. But America is the most infamous for being the country were poor people without insurance (pre-obamacare) didn't get healthcare. Literally this is the definition of irony-an American attacking cuba for not providing healthcare to the poor Because it's simply not true, you don't have to be a member of the party to get free medical treatment, and rural healthcare is actually pretty good for rural healthcare. Unlike the US where most doctors keep away from primary healthcare, Cuba encourages people to get involved in family medicine. They set up schemes to get access to rural communities, and have build clinics that serve them well. Quote when Cuban government policy first focused on reaching people – mainly in rural areas – with little or no access to medical services following the Cuban revolution during the 1950s. The government started by enlisting 750 physicians and medical students for a period of their professional lives to work in the mountains and coastal communities. The aim of el servicio médico rural or the Rural Medical Service, according to its developers, was to provide “disease prevention and to revitalize health services for those most in need, whether because they are poor, in precarious health or live far from urban centres”. Quote It's just not, no matter how much you may ideologically want it to be. Yeah I'm just a crazy socialist Quote just a couple of other points that didn't fit anywhere else.....Doctors in Cuba make $67....a MONTH....and that's with a large raise LAST YEAR. I've made more money while typing this post (I'm at work) than a Cuba doctor makes in a week. That's funked up. And while care is free in Cuba, drugs ain't. Out of pocket. And if you make less than $50 a month it can be hard to find that $15 for your heart medicine. Well you do know that Cuba is not the US right? Of course the wages are going to be lower than yours-its a completely different economic situation. If they paid them western wages then no doubt you'd attack them as wasting money on doctors, rather than spending it on care. Not only could I make the marxist point that there's more to life than money but I'll point out... Cuba firstly gives all doctors free accommodation, it also gives them free degrees. Considering Cuba's ELAM school was called 'the world's most advanced medical school' by Ban Ki-Moon, the Head of the UN then I'd take that as a sign that Cuba's doctors are pretty well off. Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: dead0man on July 11, 2015, 06:19:32 AM Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers It seems you are only paying attention to the metrics that show what you want them to show and ignoring everything else. Or just plugging your ears and going nah nah nah. Like I said, Cuba does pretty damn good for a third world, authoritarian sh**t hole, but it's pure silly to compare it to the care one generally gets in the US. Title: Re: Cuba becomes first country to end Mother-to-Child HIV Transmissions Post by: Blair on July 11, 2015, 09:42:33 AM Basically socialized healthcare is better for mothers It seems you are only paying attention to the metrics that show what you want them to show and ignoring everything else. Or just plugging your ears and going nah nah nah. Like I said, Cuba does pretty damn good for a third world, authoritarian sh**t hole, but it's pure silly to compare it to the care one generally gets in the US. Ok, that's one element that shows that Cuba isn't as good in every area. Are you going to respond to the rest of my argument about HIV care? The best medical schools? Rural healthcare? Measles treatment? Highly ironic that you accuse me of skipping over stuff, when you reply to what 1 point I made out of about 12. Ohh how edgy, calling Cuba a sh**thole-that makes you sound really smart yk. In certain areas it ranks better than the US-that's a fact |