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Title: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kevin on May 23, 2016, 03:47:40 PM
Looks like VA is becoming the new Illinois.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/23/politics/terry-mcauliffe-fbi-doj-federal-investigation-campaign-contributions/


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on May 23, 2016, 03:48:11 PM
So much for his VP candidacy.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Attorney General, LGC Speaker, and Former PPT Dwarven Dragon on May 23, 2016, 03:49:51 PM


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Heisenberg on May 23, 2016, 04:01:23 PM
If this becomes anything, McAuliffe needs to resign ASAP.  Northam can legally run in 2017 because he wasn't elected to the partial term.
So, in Virginia, if the Lt. Gov becomes Governor due to a mid-term vacancy, he/she can still legally run for a full term in the following regular election, right? The one-term limit only applies to governors elected to a full term in a regular election, correct? Also, has a Virginia governor ever stepped down in the middle of his term?


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Lothal1 on May 23, 2016, 04:03:32 PM
Took long enough.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Pandaguineapig on May 23, 2016, 04:06:33 PM
The good news is that his ego is too large for him to ever resign, this only weakens Northam in 2017 like Mcdonnell hurt Cuccinelli


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: tmthforu94 on May 23, 2016, 04:22:18 PM
I don't see why not - two peas in a pod!


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kevin on May 23, 2016, 04:25:54 PM

And the Hildawg loves to double down on her weaknesses so why not!


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 23, 2016, 04:30:38 PM
Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: NeverAgain on May 23, 2016, 04:57:31 PM
Just waiting less than two years until he's gone.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Mehmentum on May 23, 2016, 05:13:14 PM
Wow!  Two in a row!


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Türkisblau on May 23, 2016, 05:58:50 PM
Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.

You have to be a troll.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Suburbia on May 23, 2016, 06:37:25 PM

True. Prof. Sabato probably takes him off the VP list. You don't want to have two people on a ticket under investigation. Too corrupt.

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-veepstakes-part-one-clintons-choices/


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Suburbia on May 23, 2016, 06:44:55 PM
This probably adds a Republican governor in 2017 in VA.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 23, 2016, 06:49:52 PM
Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.

You have to be a troll.

Are you referring to the "random names" I sometimes do? Yeah, that's called Atlas #notsatireanalysis.

Connolly and Nye are both pretty moderate and weren't handpicked by McAuliffe.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on May 23, 2016, 06:50:49 PM
Since the Atlas Forum Court has already handed down the conviction, can it also inform us what the sentence will be?


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Suburbia on May 23, 2016, 06:54:41 PM
I know how unpopular he was in 2003 and 2004 with the grassroots far left when he was the DNC chair. Some felt that he didn't do enough for Kerry/Edwards so that Hillary Clinton could win in 2008, but that did not work.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Mr. Smith on May 23, 2016, 07:18:34 PM
Not surprised at all by this.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Frodo on May 23, 2016, 09:40:41 PM
Well, prospects have just brightened for Republicans looking to regain the governor's mansion it seems. 


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on May 24, 2016, 04:28:13 PM
So, in Virginia, if the Lt. Gov becomes Governor due to a mid-term vacancy, he/she can still legally run for a full term in the following regular election, right? The one-term limit only applies to governors elected to a full term in a regular election, correct? Also, has a Virginia governor ever stepped down in the middle of his term?

Most likely interpretation.

Va. Con. Art. V Sec. 1: " ... He shall be ineligible to the same office for the term next succeeding that for which he was elected ..."

Va. Con. Art. V. Sec. 16: "In the case of the removal of the Governor from office or in the case of his disqualification, death, or resignation, the Lieutenant Governor shall become Governor."

Also, I don't believe Virginia has had a Governor resign or die in office or otherwise end their term prematurely since the north dissolved our government at the end of the Civil War.



This. I was disappointed when nothing came of him and Hillary's brother selling visas.


Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.

Lol.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Türkisblau on May 25, 2016, 05:40:36 AM
Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.

You have to be a troll.

Are you referring to the "random names" I sometimes do? Yeah, that's called Atlas #notsatireanalysis.

Connolly and Nye are both pretty moderate and weren't handpicked by McAuliffe.

No, I'm saying that you must be a troll due to how much you seemingly know and how much you get horribly, horribly wrong.

First, the Lt. Gov. is not "handpicked" by the gubernatorial nominee. Northam won Lt. Gov. by winning a contested primary against Chopra then beating E.W. Jackson. Chopra, by the way, was supported by "insider" types such as McAuliffe and he was included in his transition team. So very much the opposite.

Secondly, all of the Democrats you listed are less "moderate" (if we're going to use that idiotic descriptor) than Northam. Please read this article about his almost-party switch. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/20/AR2009022003415.html)

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Northam, who describes himself as conservative on fiscal issues and liberal on social issues, said it has been difficult being a moderate in the Democratic caucus.
"Working the middle, being a moderate, is sometimes a little bumpy,'' he said. "It's a lot easier to be out on one side or the other."

I've been reading all of the crap you spew, and it's clear that you either have a wealth of knowledge but just can't put the pieces together, or just great at trolling. The latter, to me, is likelier.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on May 25, 2016, 02:41:17 PM
VA GOP should be smiling right now. Now it's time to narrow down that primary and then they should be set to take over.

That and the lawsuit they filed on Monday challenging McAuliffe's blanket process for restoring felon voting rights. If they can get a preliminary injunction and bog the case down until after 2016 or 2017, they'll be thrilled since they just lost the redistricting case at the Supreme Court.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: publicunofficial on May 25, 2016, 09:27:41 PM
VA GOP should be smiling right now. Now it's time to narrow down that primary and then they should be set to take over.

That and the lawsuit they filed on Monday challenging McAuliffe's blanket process for restoring felon voting rights. If they can get a preliminary injunction and bog the case down until after 2016 or 2017, they'll be thrilled since they just lost the redistricting case at the Supreme Court.

That case is open and shut. Virginia's constitution clearly gives McAuliffe those powers.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Mr. Reactionary on May 26, 2016, 03:09:09 AM
That and the lawsuit they filed on Monday challenging McAuliffe's blanket process for restoring felon voting rights. If they can get a preliminary injunction and bog the case down until after 2016 or 2017, they'll be thrilled since they just lost the redistricting case at the Supreme Court.

That case is open and shut. Virginia's constitution clearly gives McAuliffe those powers.

And our constitution also says that by default no felon may vote unless the Governor makes an individualized determination and restores that particular felon's voting rights. The process is what is being challenged. No one questions his ability to restore rights for individuals or to even restore the rights of everyone through an independent, individual action for each felon. The challenge is to him just saying in a single act that from this day forward every felon in the present and every felon in the future forever will not face voting restrictions, even though the same constitution he's claiming his power under says otherwise.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kingpoleon on May 27, 2016, 08:23:36 PM
Good riddance. I hope Tom Perriello, Gerry Connolly, Glenn Nye, or someone similarly moderate primaries Northam.

You have to be a troll.

Are you referring to the "random names" I sometimes do? Yeah, that's called Atlas #notsatireanalysis.

Connolly and Nye are both pretty moderate and weren't handpicked by McAuliffe.

No, I'm saying that you must be a troll due to how much you seemingly know and how much you get horribly, horribly wrong.

First, the Lt. Gov. is not "handpicked" by the gubernatorial nominee. Northam won Lt. Gov. by winning a contested primary against Chopra then beating E.W. Jackson. Chopra, by the way, was supported by "insider" types such as McAuliffe and he was included in his transition team. So very much the opposite.

Secondly, all of the Democrats you listed are less "moderate" (if we're going to use that idiotic descriptor) than Northam. Please read this article about his almost-party switch. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/20/AR2009022003415.html)

Quote
Northam, who describes himself as conservative on fiscal issues and liberal on social issues, said it has been difficult being a moderate in the Democratic caucus.
"Working the middle, being a moderate, is sometimes a little bumpy,'' he said. "It's a lot easier to be out on one side or the other."

I've been reading all of the crap you spew, and it's clear that you either have a wealth of knowledge but just can't put the pieces together, or just great at trolling. The latter, to me, is likelier.

Quite frankly, I wish it was trolling. Sometimes I mock Atlas(see maps), but other times I just do something like that very stupidly not making my puzzle. It's common enough to happen to people with ADHD, like myself.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Virginiá on May 29, 2016, 11:53:00 AM
And our constitution also says that by default no felon may vote unless the Governor makes an individualized determination and restores that particular felon's voting rights. The process is what is being challenged. No one questions his ability to restore rights for individuals or to even restore the rights of everyone through an independent, individual action for each felon. The challenge is to him just saying in a single act that from this day forward every felon in the present and every felon in the future forever will not face voting restrictions, even though the same constitution he's claiming his power under says otherwise.

Not really:

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Article V. Executive
Section 12. Executive clemency

The Governor shall have power to remit fines and penalties under such rules and regulations as may be prescribed by law; to grant reprieves and pardons after conviction except when the prosecution has been carried on by the House of Delegates; to remove political disabilities consequent upon conviction for offenses committed prior or subsequent to the adoption of this Constitution; and to commute capital punishment.

He shall communicate to the General Assembly, at each regular session, particulars of every case of fine or penalty remitted, of reprieve or pardon granted, and of punishment commuted, with his reasons for remitting, granting, or commuting the same.

It says absolutely nothing about how the Governor must issue reprieves. The only limitation mentioned above is in regards to convictions by the House of Delegates. Other than that, there are no restrictions on how he may use his power to restore rights taken away via felony disenfranchisement. It basically just says he can restore rights, and that's it.

The 2nd paragraph in my quote only specifies that the Governor must tell the General Assembly each person who got their rights back, which isn't a restriction but rather a requirement of notification. I'm sure he'll do that just fine.

Trying to interpret that clause of the State Constitution to only allow "individualized" reprieves would be a big stretch and ironically the opposite of how conservatives claim they wish the Constitution to be interpreted.

http://law.lis.virginia.gov/constitution


The challenge is to him just saying in a single act that from this day forward every felon in the present and every felon in the future forever will not face voting restrictions, even though the same constitution he's claiming his power under says otherwise.

The thing is, he is not doing all this in a single act. He specifically said he will be issuing a new executive order restoring voting rights every month. The orders he is issuing only restores voting rights to those who have lost them at the time the order is issued. Any after that have to wait for the next order to be issued.

It's worth noting that he also stated he had law professors in Virginia review the Constitution to determine the legality of this. They gave him an unequivocal thumbs up. Republicans are just mad that he did a blanket restoration that will bring more Democrats onto the rolls come election day and hurt their chances not only in the presidential election, but the upcoming gubernatorial election(s) in 2017 and beyond.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Sir Mohamed on May 30, 2016, 08:56:23 AM
One thing is certain, he won’t be reelected.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Kevin on May 30, 2016, 09:18:32 AM
One thing is certain, he won’t be reelected.

Well the thing is he can't.

Virginia is the only state that bars Governors from seeking a 2nd consecutive term.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Sir Mohamed on May 30, 2016, 09:42:57 AM
One thing is certain, he won’t be reelected.

Well the thing is he can't.

Virginia is the only state that bars Governors from seeking a 2nd consecutive term.


I know. That was just an ironic statement.


Title: Re: Terry Mcauliffe Under FBI/DoJ Investigation
Post by: Coolface Sock #42069 on June 05, 2016, 08:44:17 AM
VA GOP should be smiling right now. Now it's time to narrow down that primary and then they should be set to take over.
Assuming they don't get a garbage nominee.