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Title: Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: mr_president on December 28, 2003, 09:06:54 AM
Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: DarthKosh on December 28, 2003, 02:29:21 PM
Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?

I think he will.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 28, 2003, 02:53:51 PM
No


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Demrepdan on December 28, 2003, 03:10:29 PM
The people of KALI-FORN-YA were stupid enough to elect him the first time. Why would they not want him again? Look how popular he is. With the recent earthquake and floods that California has had recently, AH-NULD has made KALI-FORN-YA the #1 ACTION State in za country! JA!!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on December 28, 2003, 03:20:33 PM
He probably will be.  He took 48% in a million way race so re-election should be easy for him.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on December 28, 2003, 11:10:52 PM
All that was true when Arnold won EASILY a  few months ago also.


quote author=mr_president link=board=10;threadid=261;start=0#msg6543 date=1072665740]
The prolem for Arnold in Re-Election is that everone else is a democrate:
-Lt Governor
-2 U.S. Senators
-Majority of State Cabinet Members
-Majority of State Senate and Legastive
-Voted for Democrates for President in the Last    3 Presidental Elections.

CA is Definitaly a Democratic State and I think Lt Governor Cruz Bustamante will run and win more then 38% of the vote.

But with saying that CA like their movie stars. So the election is anyones guess
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Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Michael Z on January 01, 2004, 10:43:13 AM
In a way it's too early to tell, but unless something totally disastrous happens Ah-nuld shouldn't have a problem getting re-elected. It's like MiamiU said, he won with almost 50% against an absolutely insane amount of candidates.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 01, 2004, 01:17:25 PM
The prolem for Arnold in Re-Election is that everone else is a democrate:
-Lt Governor
-2 U.S. Senators
-Majority of State Cabinet Members
-Majority of State Senate and Legastive
-Voted for Democrates for President in the Last    3 Presidental Elections.

CA is Definitaly a Democratic State and I think Lt Governor Cruz Bustamante will run and win more then 38% of the vote.

But with saying that CA like their movie stars. So the election is anyones guess
But Arnold is a moderte Republican, to the left of some "Democrates" in "politicies".


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 05:19:51 AM
Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?

He's been a disaster so far.

If the election for a second term was held today, he would be toast.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 02, 2004, 10:45:25 AM
You don't fix the massive problems Gray Davis created overnight.  He's only been in office a short time, give hima  chance.


Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?

He's been a disaster so far.

If the election for a second term was held today, he would be toast.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 12:58:02 PM
Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?

He's been a disaster so far.

If the election for a second term was held today, he would be toast.
No, he would win easily.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 05:30:59 PM

That so-called "election" was rigged to begin with.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 02, 2004, 05:35:29 PM
Oh here we go again.

Bandit do you ever have anything positive to say and something you can back up with a source?


That so-called "election" was rigged to begin with.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 05:37:30 PM
Elections in America have been a fraud since '94 and everyone knows it.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 05:59:29 PM
Elections in America have been a fraud since '94 and everyone knows it.
Right.....


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 06:00:48 PM

Florida 2000...


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 06:02:11 PM
Tell me how the elections of 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000 (outside of Florida if you must), 2001, 2002, and 2003 have been frauds.  And I would like a link.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 06:04:20 PM
Republicans win more votes in Loving County, TX, than the number of people who live there.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 06:10:34 PM
Republicans win more votes in Loving County, TX, than the number of people who live there.
What year did this occur?  In what election did it occur?  Please present links.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 06:24:48 PM
The presidential "election" of 2000.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 06:26:34 PM
The presidential "election" of 2000.
Post a link to the population of Loving county and the vote totals of 2000.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 06:28:34 PM
The vote total is on this site.

It would be cool to rewrite the lyrics of that song "Have You Forgotten?" to be about the rigged 2000 "election".


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 06:32:20 PM
The vote total is on this site.

It would be cool to rewrite the lyrics of that song "Have You Forgotten?" to be about the rigged 2000 "election".
Please post a link to the population of Loving County.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on January 02, 2004, 06:33:25 PM
It's 64!!!!!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 06:34:43 PM
Please post a link showing the population of Loving County is 64.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: migrendel on January 02, 2004, 10:28:59 PM
The population of Loving County is indeed lower than the returns show, according to the Census Bureau:
http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/counties/tables/CO-EST 2002/CO-EST 2002-01-48.php


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 10:45:20 PM
Migrendel, why did you do Bandit's dirty work for him?  I believed him but I wanted to see his method of backing up his statements.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: migrendel on January 02, 2004, 10:58:52 PM
Oops. Sorry. I guess I just couldn't wait to point out that peccadillo.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2004, 10:59:52 PM
Oops. Sorry. I guess I just couldn't wait to point out that peccadillo.
Peccadillo? :)


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: migrendel on January 02, 2004, 11:06:22 PM
I was talking about the obvious voter fraud.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 03, 2004, 12:03:07 AM
How far off is it?

Because not all are counted bya  census, people move, etc.

The population of Loving County is indeed lower than the returns show, according to the Census Bureau:
http://eire.census.gov/popest/data/counties/tables/CO-EST 2002/CO-EST 2002-01-48.php


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 03, 2004, 12:04:21 AM
Damn it I knew Clinton cheated in 1996 :)


Elections in America have been a fraud since '94 and everyone knows it.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 03, 2004, 07:02:48 AM
Memo to the Texas GOP:

In future don't make blatent electoral fraud so damn obvious!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Carey on January 03, 2004, 09:53:36 AM
Will Arnold be re-elected? Very good question, and the best answer for this is, I don't know, we shall wait and see.

We'll need to wait and see whether California starts getting better under him or not (pretty much the litmus test for all politicians.)

If things remain bad, or even get worse, chances are, he'll have trouble getting re elected.

It also depends who the candidate is that goes against him. If the Democrat is a good, enthusiastic candidate full of ideas for the state, he/she will be good competition. If he/she is just another DLC "elect me because I am qualified" drone, he/she will probably lose.

It's important to realise that Arnold was not elected because of a "rising republican trend" or anything - heck he's more liberal than many southern Democratic governors, he was elected due to his popularity. He would've probably won under any party's banner - short of the communists or the nazis.

Also remember a lot of Arnold's votes were first time votes, the "wouldn't it be cool if the Terminator was our governor?" novelty votes, and the thing about novelties, is they wear off quickly, so he's probably lost that group now (that group won't go Democratic, they just won't vote at all.) He'll have to rely purely on the concerned voter.

Basically to summarise, if he does his job well, he'll get re-elected (and would deserve to be), if not and somebody decent challenges him, he can go back to making movies.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 03, 2004, 04:21:37 PM
What Texas Fraud?


Memo to the Texas GOP:

In future don't make blatent electoral fraud so damn obvious!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 03, 2004, 04:23:08 PM
Give this mana  cigar!


Basically to summarise, if he does his job well, he'll get re-elected (and would deserve to be), if not and somebody decent challenges him, he can go back to making movies.
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Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on January 06, 2004, 11:49:37 AM
Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?

I don't think the bar is too high.  He's gotten great marks so far and voters think he's rolling up his sleeve and bringing positive action to Sacramento's thick bureaucratic system.  His wife is adored by the state, as well.  

He's also using common sense and I think that voters can connect with that.  He was asked about retrofitting buildings to keep them earthquake-proof. He said that businesses and towns can see that it works by looking at which ones are still upright after the Paso Robles quake, and that it should be up to localities and local businesses to decide which ones are worth the expense of protecting.  



Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 06, 2004, 07:34:50 PM
Saw  a piece tonight that he is working mostly int eh middle and staying above party politics a lot.  He is meeting face to face with legislators.  Sounds simple, well under Gray Davis it never happened, and even the Democrats said it was a refreshing change.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 06, 2004, 07:35:10 PM
Oh yeah I believe tonight is the state of the state address.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: © tweed on January 06, 2004, 07:40:55 PM
Oh yeah I believe tonight is the state of the state address.
Yes it is.  Will it be televised on the major networks?  Not that I care, I'll be watching Stephon Maurbury and the Knicks manhandle Cleveland.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: jravnsbo on January 06, 2004, 07:45:22 PM
I think just in California, but maybe C-span will have it.

Oh yeah I believe tonight is the state of the state address.
Yes it is.  Will it be televised on the major networks?  Not that I care, I'll be watching Stephon Maurbury and the Knicks manhandle Cleveland.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: PD on January 07, 2004, 10:37:20 PM
Yes. I think he will.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: PD on January 07, 2004, 10:44:24 PM
The people of KALI-FORN-YA were stupid enough to elect him the first time. Why would they not want him again? Look how popular he is. With the recent earthquake and floods that California has had recently, AH-NULD has made KALI-FORN-YA the #1 ACTION State in za country! JA!!
Are you blaming the natural disasters here on him? AND, he's a hell of a lot better than Davis. Personally, I think Bill Simon should have won in 2002. He almost did, too. The stupid democrats think they have this state. They're wrong. The only reason Davis won in the first place ('98) was because of all the illegal Mexicans that were here that Clinton did nothing about. We gave you Nixon, we gave you Reagan. We had Pete Wilson. These are some of the most conservative people around (or that were around) and they all did excellent jobs. How dare you call us (at least the Republicans) stupid.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: PD on January 08, 2004, 05:28:42 PM

That so-called "election" was rigged to begin with.
RIGGED?! How the Hell do you suppose it was rigged, huh?


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Gustaf on January 08, 2004, 05:30:34 PM

That so-called "election" was rigged to begin with.
RIGGED?! How the Hell do you suppose it was rigged, huh?

Bandit is kind of like you, but leftist and minus the insults. I wouldn't really get too worked up over him, he thinks most Republican wins are rigged.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on January 09, 2004, 07:55:16 PM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Gustaf on January 10, 2004, 12:13:56 PM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on January 10, 2004, 01:44:27 PM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

Don't feed the troll, eh?


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on January 10, 2004, 01:46:06 PM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

I just thought I'd try to lure him into responding substantively. I apologize for not ignoring him. Bad me.

: )


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Gustaf on January 11, 2004, 08:59:47 AM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

Don't feed the troll, eh?

Exactly! :)


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Gustaf on January 11, 2004, 09:00:21 AM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

I just thought I'd try to lure him into responding substantively. I apologize for not ignoring him. Bad me.

: )

Oh, believe me, we have tried that many times. It doesn't work.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Carey on January 12, 2004, 12:18:36 AM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

he is? Now I feel bad for reacting to his points, and in some places agreeing with him *feels dirty*


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on January 12, 2004, 09:47:34 AM
I think unfortantly that Arnold could get re-elected...not to say that he should.

Why shouldn't he? He got more votes in 2003 than any candidate on the ballot in 2003 or 2002 in any race in any state in the country. He ran on a platform and is delivering on it.  Are you saying he shouldn't because he's illegitimate as a governor? What?

Hm, funny that I will have to do this again...

Mr. Prez is a leftist troll, he probably means that Schwarzenegger is a bad person b/c he's a republican and therefore shouldn't be reelected. You could just ignore him, if you want, you know.... ;)

he is? Now I feel bad for reacting to his points, and in some places agreeing with him *feels dirty*

Take a long hot shower. Use a loofah. Maybe that will help.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 08, 2004, 04:50:35 PM
on the point about more people voting than living in the state of Loving County, i think there is a bit of a history of this in american (and probably most country's) politics, if you look at the stats for the 1960 presidential election, about 5 million more people voted than were registered to vote


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: TheWildCard on February 10, 2004, 01:55:48 AM
I'll be honest I like Arnold. I think he and Riordan are the only two republicans who could win here, Simon I like the guy its just he has the charisma of Al Gore. McClintock I like his believes he was just too conservitive for california right now and a bit arrogant. Darell Issa has earned my support no matter what he's running for(he gave up running for governor so his party could have a chance to win and so the state could get back on track by sitting out and not hogging votes) but again might be too conservitive for Cali.

Schwarzenegger should win big if he runs again. Notice I say if, Maria might not want him to run for re-elaction if things are getting stressful on the family or getting politocaly personal. If this happens and Schwarzenegger drops out for personal reasons expect Riordan to step up to the plate and with Arnold's endorsement easily take the republican nomination and beat the democrats candidate who will probably be just another "I have experience vote me" candidates.



Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on February 10, 2004, 01:08:19 PM
I'll be honest I like Arnold. I think he and Riordan are the only two republicans who could win here, Simon I like the guy its just he has the charisma of Al Gore. McClintock I like his believes he was just too conservitive for california right now and a bit arrogant. Darell Issa has earned my support no matter what he's running for(he gave up running for governor so his party could have a chance to win and so the state could get back on track by sitting out and not hogging votes) but again might be too conservitive for Cali.

Schwarzenegger should win big if he runs again. Notice I say if, Maria might not want him to run for re-elaction if things are getting stressful on the family or getting politocaly personal. If this happens and Schwarzenegger drops out for personal reasons expect Riordan to step up to the plate and with Arnold's endorsement easily take the republican nomination and beat the democrats candidate who will probably be just another "I have experience vote me" candidates.



I heard that Schwarzenegger met with Riordan before deciding and was surprised by how unorganized and out of it that Riordan seemed. That knowledge pushed him to run himself rather than encourage Riordan.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: TheWildCard on February 10, 2004, 01:19:34 PM
I'll be honest I like Arnold. I think he and Riordan are the only two republicans who could win here, Simon I like the guy its just he has the charisma of Al Gore. McClintock I like his believes he was just too conservitive for california right now and a bit arrogant. Darell Issa has earned my support no matter what he's running for(he gave up running for governor so his party could have a chance to win and so the state could get back on track by sitting out and not hogging votes) but again might be too conservitive for Cali.

Schwarzenegger should win big if he runs again. Notice I say if, Maria might not want him to run for re-elaction if things are getting stressful on the family or getting politocaly personal. If this happens and Schwarzenegger drops out for personal reasons expect Riordan to step up to the plate and with Arnold's endorsement easily take the republican nomination and beat the democrats candidate who will probably be just another "I have experience vote me" candidates.



I heard that Schwarzenegger met with Riordan before deciding and was surprised by how unorganized and out of it that Riordan seemed. That knowledge pushed him to run himself rather than encourage Riordan.


Hmmm thats interesting I've never heard that before.



Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on February 11, 2004, 03:34:47 PM
I'll be honest I like Arnold. I think he and Riordan are the only two republicans who could win here, Simon I like the guy its just he has the charisma of Al Gore. McClintock I like his believes he was just too conservitive for california right now and a bit arrogant. Darell Issa has earned my support no matter what he's running for(he gave up running for governor so his party could have a chance to win and so the state could get back on track by sitting out and not hogging votes) but again might be too conservitive for Cali.

Schwarzenegger should win big if he runs again. Notice I say if, Maria might not want him to run for re-elaction if things are getting stressful on the family or getting politocaly personal. If this happens and Schwarzenegger drops out for personal reasons expect Riordan to step up to the plate and with Arnold's endorsement easily take the republican nomination and beat the democrats candidate who will probably be just another "I have experience vote me" candidates.



I heard that Schwarzenegger met with Riordan before deciding and was surprised by how unorganized and out of it that Riordan seemed. That knowledge pushed him to run himself rather than encourage Riordan.


Hmmm thats interesting I've never heard that before.



It explains why his surprise announcement came as a shock to Riordan aides.  He apparently really wanted Riordan to do it, and was basicly forced to do it himself because of his impression of Riordan as a statewide candidate. Maria was very reluctant and hoped that he'd only do it as a last resort. Apparently Riordan was bad enough to get him to the last resort point.  It also explains how Riordan went from frontrunner to flop in the 2002 GOP nomination process.  Schwarzenegger showed incredible political instincts and still shows them daily.  In some ways, I think he may have surprised himself.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: muharepublic on March 05, 2004, 05:07:59 PM
Of course, he will.  He is the ideal centrist the Republicans need to win ANY statewide race in California.  Unless he does anything stupid, he should be re-elected.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Kghadial on March 07, 2004, 02:03:10 AM
Arnold will get Re-elected.  He is a democrat in wolf's clothing.

Californians didn't replace a Democrat with a Republican they replaced a bland Gray Davis with the dynamic liberal terminator.

Arnold winning clinched California for the democrats. There is no Gray Davis twisting in the wind, hurting Kerry out there.

Arnold's greatest worry is survivng the GOP primary, he's much too liberal to win it unless a lot of people give in and vote for the most electable candidate.

Even if he loses the primary he'll just run like Jesse Ventura for a third party. I'm sure Jesse will even campaign with him. NOW that would be a muscular pair.



Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 07, 2004, 03:11:35 AM
Arnold is NOT a democrat and he is NOT a liberal.  He is a strong, forceful voice for moderate Republicans such as myself who are the majority of Republicans and true conservatives.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Kghadial on March 07, 2004, 04:54:02 AM
I didn't say Arnold is a liberal in the whole realm of American politics, he is liberal for a Republican

He is pro-choice, pro-civil union (he is against gay marriage, but his stances about SF are mainly to uphold Cali law), supports medical marajuana, suports some reasonable gun laws.

All of these views are NOT espoused by the national republican party.

His tax cutting, spending slashing ideals? Well the tax cutting is the Republican party stance, although his tax cutting plan seems to be far more modest than the one the national party endorses. However, the spending slashing obviously is not espoused by the national Republican party, look at Dubya ...

Arnold a republican? Yes, people are the party they say they are.

Not to mention his support for 'kooky' 'liberal' things like hydrogen highways, protecting the environment, solar energy, and 'reduce dependence from foreign oil' , etc.

If you described Arnold to an Average republican in the Deep South, they probably would say "sounds like some liberal Yankee, except the tax cutting"

If moderate republicans like Arnold were the majority of Republicans , the world would be a better place ...


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 07, 2004, 01:24:44 PM
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If you described Arnold to an Average republican in the Deep South, they probably would say "sounds like some liberal Yankee, except the tax cutting"

Ok.. and if you described Arnold to an Average democrat in Berkley, they probably would say "Oh my Gaia.. that ultra christian conservative corporate pig fascist!"

If moderate democrats like Evan Bayh were the majority of Democrats, the world would also be a better place :)


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Kghadial on March 08, 2004, 01:00:13 AM
 All Democrats at Berkley think all Republicans are fascists.

But not all Republicans in the Deep South think that all moderate Republicans are liberal yankee Democrats.


Yet unless  California Republicans swallow their conservative pride Arnold could lose the primary, and be forced to become a member of Jesse Ventura's party.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: MasterJedi on March 26, 2004, 04:17:56 PM
I think Arnold will win re-election!

It's one of the first Republican victories in California in awhile and they're not going to want to lose it so they'll nominate Arnold in the primaries so then he'll go on to win his re-election!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Nation on March 26, 2004, 06:20:29 PM
I like Arnold. His policies seem to actually be doing something in California.


Although I did find it humorous when he said that one thing.


"KALLYFORNIA IS THE NUMBA ONE STATE IN THE UNION!"

I'd rather not see him tip the state to Bush though, which I doubt will happen anyway.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Nation on March 26, 2004, 06:21:23 PM
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If you described Arnold to an Average republican in the Deep South, they probably would say "sounds like some liberal Yankee, except the tax cutting"

Ok.. and if you described Arnold to an Average democrat in Berkley, they probably would say "Oh my Gaia.. that ultra christian conservative corporate pig fascist!"

If moderate democrats like Evan Bayh were the majority of Democrats, the world would also be a better place :)

if more Republicans were like Arnold, the world might be a bit better ;)


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Beet on March 28, 2004, 07:44:43 PM
If more Republicans were like Arnold I could see myself voting for them. I would support Arnold over Davis.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 28, 2004, 09:11:09 PM
We are like Arnold!  We are!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Nation on March 29, 2004, 03:01:15 PM

I've no doubt that you are, htmldon :), and quite possibly other state/local Republicans, but it's clear that the White House is not exactly like Arnold, and that's where it counts. I vote for the person, not the party. Some really good local Republicans around here I should be supporting come election time.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Kghadial on March 29, 2004, 04:36:29 PM

That's untrue.

How many republican office holders/candidates support civil unions, and wouldn't be against gay marriage if the people voted for it?
How many republican office holders/candidates are pro-choice?
How many republican office holders/candidates support medical marajuana?
How many republican office holders/candidates actually will not defer to the NRA on every single gun issue?
How many republicans in Washington are for balancing the budget? they are all pigs at the trough.



Arnold is for civil unions, choice, medical dope, reasonable gun laws, and he talks tough about deficits. He is more liberal than Evan Bayh, (Bayh is a deficit hawk too).

Of Senators only McCain, Chafee, Snowe, Specter, and Hagel (that's off the top of my head) are republicans who are reasonably like Arnold. Practically all the rest are far to the right.

If Arnold was a senator he would be the most liberal republican by quite a bit, and probably to the left of Bayh, Lieberman, Zell Miller (duh), and Breaux

Arnold is a Republican only because he likes them, and that was the only way he could become governor of California.

Arnold is an awful lot like Clinton. However in California i guess he counts as a republican, barely.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on March 29, 2004, 06:51:24 PM
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How many republican office holders/candidates support civil unions, and wouldn't be against gay marriage if the people voted for it?

Unfortunately, far too few.

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How many republican office holders/candidates are pro-choice?

Hundreds.  See the WISH list - http://www.thewishlist.org/ (http://www.thewishlist.org/)

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How many republican office holders/candidates support medical marajuana?

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson was the foremost advocate of not just medical marijuana but marijuana legalization.

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How many republican office holders/candidates actually will not defer to the NRA on every single gun issue?

How many Democrats will not defer to the gun control lobby?

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How many republicans in Washington are for balancing the budget? they are all pigs at the trough.

Checkmate.  I can't argue against that one.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: PBrunsel on April 08, 2004, 03:22:07 PM
I wanted Tom McClintoc in 2003.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: NHPolitico on April 09, 2004, 12:41:19 PM
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How many republican office holders/candidates support civil unions, and wouldn't be against gay marriage if the people voted for it?



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How many republicans in Washington are for balancing the budget? they are all pigs at the trough.

Checkmate.  I can't argue against that one.

Ron Paul. John McCain.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Rev. Matthew on April 16, 2004, 04:59:55 PM
Most likely. Is he going to run again?


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: StevenNick on April 16, 2004, 06:57:28 PM
Today Schwarzenegger won another big victory.  The state assembly just approved his plan to reform the worker's comp system.  Add that to his bond and spending cap victories and his triumph in the illegal alien drivers license issue and the Govenator has established quite an amazing record.

If he keeps it up he should coast to reelection.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: The Duke on April 17, 2004, 05:58:03 AM
Arnold is a god.  I am so proud to have voted for him.  He has been a wonderful governor.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on April 17, 2004, 11:51:46 AM
Hear hear!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: StevenNick on April 17, 2004, 10:27:53 PM

We agree!

I think Schwarzenegger has put to rest any doubts that anybody had about his capability to lead.  He's single handedly revived the republican party, demolished the dems, and prevented California from falling into fiscal disaster.  Kudos to the govenator!


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: StevenNick on April 17, 2004, 10:28:33 PM
Arnold is a god.  I am so proud to have voted for him.  He has been a wonderful governor.

I only wish I could've had the opportunity to vote for Schwarzenegger.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwarzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 18, 2004, 07:04:27 AM
Without being too cynical... I think that Davis would have done the same as Swazchanazi Swastiengger Shchwartysnegger Schwartzengerr Arnie is doing... but with less style... so he'd still be hated.
Style is all...


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on April 18, 2004, 01:14:45 PM
Davis would have just gone along with what the corrupt Dems in Sacremento wanted to do.  The situation would have just gotten worse and worse... now its starting to look up for California.

StevenNick - You like Arnold??  I thought all us moderates were dying out?  Didn't that "base" that you guys keep talking about support McClintock? :)  

California is so fortunate to have been given a second chance after the disasterous choice of Bill Simon over Dick Riordan.  Kansas and Oregon got no such second chance.  If Pennsylvania makes the same mistake and supports Toomey, it will not get a second chance either after Hoffel is elected.

I'm glad you are fond of Arnold. him and hope that you will vote for him if he runs for re-election... not just in the general, but in the Primary as well.  Certainly some loose cannon "conservative" will come out of the woodwork and say that we need to "get this pro-gay RINO out of office" and some Simon/McClintockites will go along with it.

The #1 way to keep a Republican from getting elected in California is to have a Republican Primary.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: StevenNick on April 18, 2004, 02:53:30 PM
Davis would have just gone along with what the corrupt Dems in Sacremento wanted to do.  The situation would have just gotten worse and worse... now its starting to look up for California.

StevenNick - You like Arnold??  I thought all us moderates were dying out?  Didn't that "base" that you guys keep talking about support McClintock? :)  

California is so fortunate to have been given a second chance after the disasterous choice of Bill Simon over Dick Riordan.  Kansas and Oregon got no such second chance.  If Pennsylvania makes the same mistake and supports Toomey, it will not get a second chance either after Hoffel is elected.

I'm glad you are fond of Arnold. him and hope that you will vote for him if he runs for re-election... not just in the general, but in the Primary as well.  Certainly some loose cannon "conservative" will come out of the woodwork and say that we need to "get this pro-gay RINO out of office" and some Simon/McClintockites will go along with it.

The #1 way to keep a Republican from getting elected in California is to have a Republican Primary.

I don't dislike moderates!  I never said I disliked moderates.  I just think that the republican party as a whole is moving to the right (the dems are moving to the left, too).  Arnold will help move California to the right so that maybe in a decade or so, people like McClintock can get elected statewide.

I don't think the comparison between Toomey/Specter and Simon/Riordan is valid, though.  For one thing, Pennsylvania and California are completely different states.  California just doesn't elect hard-core conservatives.  Pennsylvania is considerably more open to conservatives.  Plus, there's a difference between a candidate for governor and one for senate.  Social issues don't play as much of a role in a gubernatorial election as they do in a senate election.  I disagree with Arnold on abortion, for example, but there's not a whole lot he's going to be able to do about abortion as a governor anyway.  I wouldn't have any problem supporting a "moderate" for governor.  With a senate seat, I'm more likely to support someone like Toomey, who agrees me on a wider range of issues, because those issues are more likely to be adressed at the national level than at the state level.

I'm not sure if that makes any sense to you, but it seems sensible in my head.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on April 18, 2004, 04:57:49 PM
It does make sense, at least from your ideological perspective.   Some of us are working to make the country more center-right than right so I guess I wouldn't personally understand where you are coming from.  Personally I want to just nudge Cali a little the right so that moderate Republicans can take over the state legislature and the state will elect more people like Arnold - and never have to dabble around with the Tom McClintocks, Gray Davises, and Cruz Bustamentes ever again.  That having been said, due to my partisan persuasions, I think electing a Republican is more important than anything else so whatever happens that helps elect Republicans is fine with me.  My personal preference is just more centrist than yours.

I applaud you for thinking strategically though and actually being more concerned with getting people of like mind elected rather than the emotional nonsense that so many on the right use to guide them in elections.

I suspect that in Indiana you would join me in support of Mitch Daniels for Governor over Eric Miller.  Daniels is very much a conservative... but of course, you can never be conservative enough for the religious right.  So they've put up Miller to challenge Daniels but I don't think its going anywhere.. at least I hope not.  But of course you have the Millerites running around saying that Daniels is "too moderate" and that "the base" will stay home if he is nominated, blah blah blah.  (Keeping in mind that Daniels is probably more conservative than McClintock and Toomey combined)

The far right will never be satisfied and this is why I caution my friends here who are moderate-conservatives not to give in on the issue of Specter.  Sure all of us agree that Specter is not perfect.  We would all like him to be more conservative on things.  But he is a symbol of the ideological diversity that we need to have in our Party.  If we let him get trampled on - don't surprised if you or someone you support is next on the hit list.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: StevenNick on April 18, 2004, 05:07:47 PM
It does make sense, at least from your ideological perspective.   Some of us are working to make the country more center-right than right so I guess I wouldn't personally understand where you are coming from.  Personally I want to just nudge Cali a little the right so that moderate Republicans can take over the state legislature and the state will elect more people like Arnold - and never have to dabble around with the Tom McClintocks, Gray Davises, and Cruz Bustamentes ever again.  That having been said, due to my partisan persuasions, I think electing a Republican is more important than anything else so whatever happens that helps elect Republicans is fine with me.  My personal preference is just more centrist than yours.

I applaud you for thinking strategically though and actually being more concerned with getting people of like mind elected rather than the emotional nonsense that so many on the right use to guide them in elections.

I suspect that in Indiana you would join me in support of Mitch Daniels for Governor over Eric Miller.  Daniels is very much a conservative... but of course, you can never be conservative enough for the religious right.  So they've put up Miller to challenge Daniels but I don't think its going anywhere.. at least I hope not.  But of course you have the Millerites running around saying that Daniels is "too moderate" and that "the base" will stay home if he is nominated, blah blah blah.  (Keeping in mind that Daniels is probably more conservative than McClintock and Toomey combined)

The far right will never be satisfied and this is why I caution my friends here who are moderate-conservatives not to give in on the issue of Specter.  Sure all of us agree that Specter is not perfect.  We would all like him to be more conservative on things.  But he is a symbol of the ideological diversity that we need to have in our Party.  If we let him get trampled on - don't surprised if you or someone you support is next on the hit list.

I think in primary elections, there's nothing wrong with voting for the candidate that best suits one's ideology.  However, in a state like California that is so completely dominated by democrats (and liberal one's at that) it's important to think strategically and vote for someone who can successful nudge the state at least a little further to the right.

The difference between Schwarzenegger and Specter is that Schwarzenegger, although liberal on some social issues, is true-blue when it comes to economic issues whereas Specter doesn't really deliver on any front.  Being against tax cuts is acceptable if you favor balanced budgets.  But Specter votes against tax cuts and the balanced budget amendment and for spending increases and pork.  

Voinovich is an example of someone who was wary of tax cuts, but only because he favors balanced budgets.  That's an understandable, reasonable position (and a fairly conservative one).

I don't know if that helps to clarify my position any.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Ben. on April 21, 2004, 05:54:18 AM
Schwarzenegger is presently on course for a solid re-election, if things continue to go this well it could be a landslide… unless Feinstein runs the Democrats really don’t have a viable candidate who can win… Cruz Bustmante would probably be the likeliest choice of the prominent democrats in the state at the moment; I doubt there would be many prominent democrats from the state house of senate who would run against Arnie as they have benefited so much from working with him and have made some very public by partisan efforts though… Arnie’s biggest problem as far as re-election is concerned is a conservative primary challenger (and there will almost certainly be one), would the primary be open or closed?, however Arnie should weather that fairly easily I mean he has given the GOP in CA power and that should win him sufficient conservative supporters…      


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 21, 2004, 10:34:05 AM
I'm assuming that a scandel will sink him sooner or later...


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Ben. on April 22, 2004, 09:01:53 AM
I'm assuming that a scandel will sink him sooner or later...

I think the guy's teflon... didnt hurt him in the recall, hell it didnt hurt Clinton that much in 1992 or the late 90's in the end...had he run in 2000 Clinton would have won solidly...

But I'm pretty sure that Arnie will win again, moderate republicans need him to stay around... I have a feeling that what ever happens in November 2004 is going to be one hell of a primary battle for the republicans....      


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on April 22, 2004, 09:07:08 AM
We desperately need him around.

We will walk to California if we have to, from every state in the union, to help his cause.  We will crawl across shards of broken glass or jump through rings of hot scalding fire to defend him from the extremes.


Title: Re:Will Arnold Schwatzenegger get re-elected?
Post by: Ben. on April 23, 2004, 07:21:08 AM
We desperately need him around.

We will walk to California if we have to, from every state in the union, to help his cause.  We will crawl across shards of broken glass or jump through rings of hot scalding fire to defend him from the extremes.

Same attitude I have toward moderate democrats... good to see the moderate wing of the GOP is gearing up to take on the extremist... I really think that a battle is brewing for the 2008 nomination, someone on the board said (who?) that the Santorum wing of the party will take on the Owens/spectre wing of the party for the nomination in 2008... just hope we can settle on a candidate quickly so that a bloody republican fight gets the media attention :D … but good luck man, same battle keeps getting fought in both party’s and probably will be for some time…