Title: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (OLD, PLEASE UNSTICKY) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 03, 2017, 12:00:21 PM Over the course of 2017 and 2018, several congressional special elections were held. Final Predictions and results coverage were posted here. This was the schedule:
Tuesday 11 April 2017 Kansas - Special Election House CD 4 Tuesday 18 April 2017 Georgia - Special Election House CD 6 Tuesday 2 May 2017 South Carolina - Special Primary House CD 5 Tuesday 16 May 2017 South Carolina - Special Runoff (if necessary) House CD 5 Thursday 25 May 2017 Montana - Special Election House At-Large Tuesday 6 June 2017 California - Special General Election (if necessary) House CD 34 Tuesday 20 June 2017 Georgia - Special Runoff (if necessary) House CD 6 South Carolina - Special General Election House CD 5 Tuesday 15 August 2017 Alabama - Special Primary Senate Class 2 Utah - Special Primary House CD 3 Tuesday 26 September 2017 Alabama - Special Runoff (if needed) Senate Class 2 Tuesday 7 November 2017 Utah - Special Election House CD 3 Tuesday 12 December 2017 Alabama - Special Election Senate Class 2 Tuesday 27 February 2018 Arizona - Special Primary House CD 8 Tuesday 13 March 2018 Pennsylvania - Special Election House CD 18 Tuesday 24 April 2018 Arizona - Special Election House CD 8 Tuesday 8 May 2018 Ohio - Special Primary House CD 12 Saturday 30 June 2018 Texas - Special Election House CD 27 Tuesday 7 August 2018 Ohio - Special Election House CD 12 ------------- Information on the first two elections has been removed due to the character limit. View it here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mmVSzpm5VI1r1sufK8eYtrzmitRmnNLtpCortHRWVqk ---------------------- The third election was held on Tuesday, April 18th, in the 6th district of Georgia. Polls closed at 7 PM EST. This was to replace Tom Price, who is now the Director of Health and Human Services. All candidates from all parties were on the same ballot, and no primary election occurred to lower the # of candidates. There were a total of 18 candidates on the ballot. If someone had received 50% of the vote, that person would have been elected to Congress. Since no one received a majority, a runoff was held on June 20th. These were the candidates: Name Party Abroms, David GOP Bhuiyan, Mohammad Ali GOP Edwards, Ragin Dem Grawert, Keith GOP Gray, Bob GOP Handel, Karen GOP Hernandez, Alexander Ind Hill, Judson GOP Keatley, Richard Dem Kremer, Amy GOP Levell, Bruce GOP Llop, William GOP Moody, Dan GOP Ossoff, Jon Dem Pollard, Andre Ind Quigg, Rebecca Dem Slotin, Ron Dem Wilson, Kurt GOP Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/GA_Page_0418.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 48-47 Romney 61-38 McCain 59-40 WINNERS: OSSOFF AND HANDEL (RUNOFF) ------------------- The fourth election was held on Tuesday, May 2nd in the 5th district of South Carolina. Polls closed at 7 PM EST. This was the first step to replace Mick Mulvaney, who is now the director of the office of management and budget. This was a primary election, there was a democratic primary and a republican primary. As no republican candidate received 50% of the vote, a runoff was held on May 16th. These were the candidates: Dem Primary Parnell, Archie Frank, Alexis Murphy, Les GOP Primary Connelly, Chad Few, Sheri Wampler, Kris Pope, Tommy Craig, Ray Norman, Ralph Mullikin, Tom Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/SC_Page_0502.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS D WINNER: PARNELL R WINNERS: POPE AND NORMAN (RUNOFF) ---------------------- The fifth election was held on Tuesday, May 16th in the 5th district of South Carolina. Polls closed at 7 PM EST. This was the second step to replace Mick Mulvaney, who is now the director of the office of management and budget. This was a runoff election for the republican primary, necessitated by no one receiving 50% of the vote in the republican primary. These were the candidates: Pope, Tommy Norman, Ralph Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/SC_Page_0516.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS WINNER: NORMAN ------------------------------------ The sixth election was held on Thursday, May 25th, in the at-large house seat for the state of Montana. Polls closed at 10 PM EST. This was to replace Ryan Zinke, who is now Secretary of the Interior. Candidates were selected by convention, or could petition their way onto the ballot. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Quist, Rob Dem Wicks, Mark Lib Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/MT_Page_0525.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 57-36 Romney 55-42 McCain 50-47 WINNER: ------------ The seventh election was held on Tuesday, June 6th in the 34th district of California. Polls closed at 11 PM EST. This was the final step to replace Xavier Becerra, who is now the Attorney General of California. This was a runoff election for the general election, necessitated by no one getting 50% of the vote in the general election. Voters were able to choose between two democrats: Gomez, Jimmy Ahn, Robert Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/CA_Page_0606.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS WINNER: GOMEZ (D HOLD) --------------- The eighth election was held on Tuesday, June 20th, in the 5th District of South Carolina. Polls closed at 7 PM EST. This was the final step to replace Mick Mulvaney, who is now the director of the Office of Management and Budget. Candidates were selected by primary elections held in May. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Parnell, Archie Dem Norman, Ralph GOP Kulma, David Grn Kocher, Victor Lib Thornton, Josh American Results will be posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/SC_Page_0620.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 57-39 Romney 55-44 McCain 55-44 WINNER: NORMAN (R HOLD) -------------- The ninth election was held on Tuesday, June 20th, in the 6th district of Georgia. Polls closed at 7 PM EST. This was the final step to replace Tom Price, who is now the Director of Health and Human Services. This was a runoff election for the general election, necessitated by no one getting 50% of the vote in the general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Ossoff, Jon Dem Handel, Karen GOP Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/GA_Page_0620.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 48-47 Romney 61-38 McCain 59-40 WINNER: HANDEL (R HOLD) -------------- The tenth election was held on Tuesday, August 15th, in the state of Alabama. Polls closed at 8 PM EST. This was the first step to replace Jeff Sessions, who is now the Attorney General of the United States. This was a primary election, there was a democratic primary and a republican primary. Since no one received 50% in the republican primary, there was a runoff on September 26th. These were the candidates: Democratic Primary Hansen, Michael McGee, Brian Caldwell, Vann Fisher, Jason Boyd, Will Kennedy, Robert Jones, Doug Nana, Charles Republican Primary Strange, Luther (appointed incumbent) Brooks, Mo Brinson, Randy Breault, Joseph Moore, Roy Maxwell, Mary Pittman, Trip Peeples, Bryan Beretta, James Gentile, Dom Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/AL_Page_0815.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS D Winner: JONES R Winners: MOORE AND STRANGE (RUNOFF) ------------------- The eleventh election was held on Tuesday, August 15th, in the 3rd congressional district of Utah. Polls closed at 10 PM EST. This was a primary to select the republican nominee for the november special election to replace Jason Chaffetz, who has retired from politics. Other parties have already selected their nominees by convention. The candidates for the republican primary were: Ainge, Tanner Curtis, John Herrod, Christopher Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/UT_Page_0815.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS WINNER: CURTIS ----- The twelfth election was held on Tuesday, September 26th, in the State of Alabama. Polls closed at 8 PM EST. This was the second step to replace Jeff Sessions, who is now the Attorney General of the United States. This was a runoff election for the republican primary, necessitated by no one receiving 50% of the vote in the republican primary. These were the candidates: Moore, Roy Strange, Luther (appointed incumbent) Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/AL_Page_0926.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS WINNER: MOORE ------------ The thirteenth election was held on Tuesday, November 7th, in the 3rd district of Utah. Polls closed at 10 PM ET. This was the final step to replace Jason Chaffetz, who has retired from politics. Most parties selected their nominees by convention, except for the republican party which held a primary in August. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Allen, Kathie Dem Curtis, John GOP Christensen, Jason IAP Buchman, Joe Lib Bennett, Jim UUT Whalen, Sean Una Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/UT_Page_1107.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 47, McMullin 24, Clinton 23 Romney 78-20 McCain 68-30 WINNER: CURTIS (R HOLD) ---------------------- The fourteenth election was held on Tuesday, December 12th, in the State of Alabama. Polls closed at 8 PM EST. This was the final step to replace Jeff Sessions, who is now the Attorney General of the United States. Candidates were selected by primary elections held in August and September. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Moore, Roy GOP Jones, Doug Dem Various Write-In Candidates NPD Results were posted here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/AL_Page_1212.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS This is how the state has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 62-34 Romney 61-38 McCain 60-39 WINNER: JONES (D GAIN) ------------- The fifthteenth election was held on Tuesday, Feburary 27th, in the 8th District of Arizona. Polls closed at 9 PM ET. This was the first step to replace Trent Franks, who has retired from Politics. This was a primary election, there was a democratic primary and a republican primary. These were the candidates: Republicans Allen, Chad Dilley, Brenden Dolgos, Stephen Lesko, Debbie Lien, David "Dave" Lovas, Phil Mack, Richard Montenegro, Steve Stump, Bob Sylvester, Christopher Van Steenwyk, Clair Yates, Mark Democrats Tipirneni, Hiral Westbrook, Brianna Results were posted here: http://results.arizona.vote/#/federal/5/0 D WINNER: TIPIRNENI R WINNER: LESKO ------------- The sixteenth election was held on Tuesday, March 13th, in the 18th district of Pennsylvania. Polls closed at 8 PM EST. This was to replace Tim Murphy, who has retired from Politics. Candidates were selected by convention, or could petition their way onto the ballot. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Party Name Dem Lamb, Conor GOP Saccone, Rick Lib Miller, Drew Results were posted here: https://elections.ap.org/gannett/election_results/2018-03-13/state/PA/race/G/raceid/40301 This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: 58-39 Trump 58-41 Romney 55-44 McCain WINNER: LAMB (D GAIN) ----------- The seventeenth election was held on Tuesday, April 24th, in the 8th district of Arizona. Polls closed at 10 PM EST. This was to replace Trent Franks, who has retired from Politics. Candidates were selected by primary elections held in February. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Lesko, Debbie REP Tipirnini, Hiral DEM Results were posted here: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: 58-37 Trump 62-37 Romney 61-38 McCain WINNER: LESKO (R HOLD) ---------- The eighteenth election was held on Tuesday, May 8th in the 12th district of Ohio. Polls closed at 7:30 PM EST. This was the first step to replace Bob Turner, who has retired from politics. This was a primary election, there was a Democratic primary and a republican primary. These were the candidates: Democrats: Danny O'Connor Jackie Patton John Russell Doug Wilson Ed Albertson Zach Scott Republicans: Kevin Bacon Mick Shoemaker Larry Cohen Carol O'Brien Melanie Leneghan Troy Balderson Tim Kane Pat Manley Jon Halverstadt Results were posted here: https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/ohio/ D WINNER: O'CONNOR R WINNER: BALDERSON -------------- The nineteenth election was held on Saturday, June 30th, in the 27th District of Texas. Polls closed at 8 PM EST. This was to replace Blake Farenthold, who has retired from Politics. All candidates from all parties were on the same ballot, and no primary election occurred to lower the # of candidates. There were a total of 9 candidates on the ballot. As Republican Michael Cloud received a majority of the vote, he was elected to congress. These were the candidates: Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM Bech Bruun REP Michael Cloud REP Judith Cutright IND Eric Holguin DEM Marty Perez REP Christopher Suprun IND Daniel Tinus LIB Michael Westergren DEM Results were posted here: https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_state.htm?x=0&y=140&id=715 This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 60-37 Romney 61-38 McCain 59-40 WINNER: CLOUD (R HOLD) --------------- The Twentieth and final election was held on Tuesday, August 7th, in the 12th District of Ohio. Polls closed at 7:30 PM EST. This was the final step to replace Pat Tiberi, who has retired from politics. Nominees were selected by primaries held in May, and could also petition their way onto the ballot. This was a standard FPTP general election. These were the candidates: Name Party Balderson, Troy REP Manchik, Joe GRN O'Connor, Danny DEM Results were posted here (use incognito mode): https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/07/us/elections/results-ohio-special-house-election-district-12.html This is how the district has behaved in recent presidential elections: Trump 53-42 Romney 54-44 McCain 54-45 WINNER: BALDERSON (R HOLD) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 03, 2017, 12:15:04 PM I'm hoping Wendy Carrillo wins after Carmona's proven to be a piece of s--t, but it's probably going to Gomez.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: publicunofficial on April 03, 2017, 12:54:03 PM I'm guessing a Gomez/Anh run-off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 03, 2017, 02:43:41 PM I'm predicting a Gomez vs. Hernandez runoff. Gomez probably wins that.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Virginiá on April 03, 2017, 03:21:42 PM I'm sticky'ing this for general 2017 special election coverage. The GA-6 one is a hot race, so I'll keep that thread up as well, but otherwise let's try and keep the generic special election coverage for this batch in this thread.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 03, 2017, 03:27:54 PM Oh, and I'm predicting Estes, the Republican, will win KS-04. Bold prediction I know. :P
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on April 04, 2017, 02:39:44 AM Not that he's going anywhere but Arturo Carmona seems to be a sexist pig.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 12:32:52 PM Not that he's going anywhere but Arturo Carmona seems to be a sexist pig. Yeah, someone on Atlas (Chickenhawk I think?) said that Carmona was widely disliked within the Sanders campaign. Now we know why. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: The Other Castro on April 04, 2017, 02:49:33 PM Turnout seems like it's going to be very very low.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: BuckeyeNut on April 04, 2017, 03:22:17 PM Haven't seen any polling for this, but I'm ostensibly rooting for Campoverdi.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 03:56:44 PM Honestly any of the Democrats would be fine except Carmona, and maybe some of the no-names.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 04, 2017, 03:58:57 PM Early Vote:
60% Dem 27% Ind 12% Rep 35% Asian American (35% of this is Korean American) 28% Latino 60% 55 or older 6% of all registered voters have already voted. Final Turnout is expected to be between 9% and 21%. http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-who-s-already-voted-in-the-34th-1491282940-htmlstory.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 04:08:43 PM Wait, so 100% of the Asian voters are Korean?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: BuckeyeNut on April 04, 2017, 04:24:52 PM Wait, so 100% of the Asian voters are Korean? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 04, 2017, 05:15:28 PM With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Holmes on April 04, 2017, 05:16:36 PM With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for? It is too much to ask for, yes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Webnicz on April 04, 2017, 05:24:05 PM Haven't seen any polling for this, but I'm ostensibly rooting for Campoverdi. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Maxwell on April 04, 2017, 05:32:30 PM Team Gomez all the way tho. Solidly progressive, not a true leftist ala carrillo and (lol) carmona.
Not really sure what Campoverdi stands for other than generic platitudes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Jeppe on April 04, 2017, 07:30:55 PM Would like to see Campoverdi elected. She seems like she'd make a great statewide candidate down the line.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 04, 2017, 07:34:16 PM Team Gomez all the way tho. Solidly progressive, not a true leftist ala carrillo and (lol) carmona. Not really sure what Campoverdi stands for other than generic platitudes. Agreed, Gomez is easily the best option here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 04, 2017, 07:47:01 PM Any results yet?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Holmes on April 04, 2017, 07:52:29 PM Any results yet? Not for another 2+ hours. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 07:54:25 PM Polls close at 8 Pacific Time I believe?
Yeah, after learning more about Gomez he seems like the best option. Campoverdi would also be good though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Vosem on April 04, 2017, 07:58:10 PM With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for? This district voted 83/14 Obama/Romney, and then 84/11 Clinton/Trump. So 15% is probably out of reach; although with so many Democrats I'm not sure that necessarily means a spot in the runoff is unrealistic, though it's definitely unlikely. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 08:49:17 PM I predict it will be Gomez vs. Ahn (with Gomez being the ultimate winner). I don't think the Republican has a path to the runoff.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on April 04, 2017, 09:02:39 PM When do we start getting results?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 04, 2017, 09:06:16 PM Polls are still open for another hour.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 09:18:13 PM Why does California have to be so far west :(
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 04, 2017, 10:02:09 PM No votes in yet.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on April 04, 2017, 10:21:31 PM 2/192
Ahn 27.9% Gomez 26.24% Morrison 5.51% Results http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-april-4-election-results/ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 04, 2017, 10:28:02 PM U.S. House - District 34 - Special General
Central LA 2 of 192 Precincts Reporting - 1% Max Runoff Cands=2 Name Party Votes Vote % Ahn, Robert Dem 3,547 28% Gomez, Jimmy Dem 3,333 26% Morrison, William GOP 700 6% Cabildo, Maria Dem 656 5% Carmona, Arturo Dem 621 5% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Holmes on April 04, 2017, 10:36:22 PM This district would have a latino/asian electoral battle.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 10:55:36 PM Based on the wide disparity between Gomez/Ahn and everyone else in the two precincts that are in, a Gomez vs. Ahn runoff (which Gomez will probably win) seems like the most likely scenario.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 04, 2017, 11:00:00 PM ^ It's only 2 precincts though. Could mean nothing.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 04, 2017, 11:05:27 PM ^ It's only 2 precincts though. Could mean nothing. Oh, I know. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 04, 2017, 11:29:32 PM So I guess we're not getting any more results tonight.....
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Shadows on April 04, 2017, 11:33:59 PM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 12:08:13 AM There are now 6 precincts reporting, but the 4 new ones didn't provide many votes to anyone. It was a bad area for Ahn though; his total only increased by 6 votes while Gomez's increased by 69.
Robert Lee Ahn 27.49% 3,553 D Jimmy Gomez 26.32% 3,402 R William "Rodriguez" Morrison 5.42% 701 D Maria Cabildo 5.32% 687 D Arturo Carmona 5.00% 646 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 12:08:54 AM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance. Yeah, Gomez genuinely seems pretty good. He would be a good person to have in the House. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: smoltchanov on April 05, 2017, 12:11:56 AM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance. In districts like this you can support communism and be elected comfortably. Especially when you know for sure that congressmen from other districts will NOT allow it to happen))) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 05, 2017, 12:17:24 AM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance. He endorsed Hillary in a Bernie district, though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Shadows on April 05, 2017, 12:33:31 AM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance. He endorsed Hillary in a Bernie district, though. Ohh Wendy or Kenneth would be way better but you have to make do, too many bureaucrats running & the Carmona thing totally sank the whole race. Atleast he will support Paid leave & Medicare for all. Way better than Cory Booker I suppose ! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 05, 2017, 12:42:17 AM I'm ready to call this:
U.S. House - District 34 - Special General Central LA 26 of 192 Precincts Reporting - 14% Max Runoff Cands=2 Name Party Votes Vote % Gomez, Jimmy Dem 3,756 27% RUNOFF Ahn, Robert Dem 3,716 26% RUNOFF Cabildo, Maria Dem 861 6% Carmona, Arturo Dem 721 5% Morrison, William GOP 721 5% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 12:44:59 AM Gomez has now barely pulled ahead of Ahn, and Maria Cabildo is now in third place, ahead of the Republican.
I suspect Ahn is the sort of candidate whose votes could be geographically concentrated, so it's still within the realm of possibility that he won't make the runoff after all. I suspect he does make it, but I wouldn't be absolutely certain. @jfern, not that I actually care about this, but did Gomez's Assembly district vote for Sanders? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Interlocutor is just not there yet on April 05, 2017, 01:05:23 AM not that I actually care about this, but did Gomez's Assembly district vote for Sanders? Bernie won his district 52.7-46.4 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Shameless Lefty Hack on April 05, 2017, 01:26:09 AM Apparently Gomez supports a Single Payer, 15$ Min Wage, publicly financed elections, paid leave etc so he won't be that bad either ! Just shows how strong left the district is. The Republican has 0 chance. He endorsed Hillary in a Bernie district, though. At least one Bernie staffer I know appears to be involved in his campaign, for whatever that's worth. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Webnicz on April 05, 2017, 01:29:25 AM current 100 vote margin between the Green party candidate and the republican...
Unfortunately Campoverdi is only doing slightly better than the Candidate from the NPP(?) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Holmes on April 05, 2017, 01:36:15 AM current 100 vote margin between the Green party candidate and the republican... Unfortunately Campoverdi is only doing slightly better than the Candidate from the NPP(?)(whats that?) No party preference. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 03:47:32 AM Unsurprisingly, Gomez and Ahn will advance to the runoff.
With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for? This didn't even come close to happening. The Republican candidate came in eighth with 3.76% of the vote, lower than the Green candidate. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: smoltchanov on April 05, 2017, 04:23:36 AM Unsurprisingly, Gomez and Ahn will advance to the runoff. With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for? This didn't even come close to happening. The Republican candidate came in eighth with 3.76% of the vote, lower than the Green candidate. Republicans seem to have no bench in this district. Even in many liberal Bay Area districts they are routinely able to get 20-25% of vote (which would be enough for runoff), but - not here.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 09:49:48 AM Unsurprisingly, Gomez and Ahn will advance to the runoff. With so many Democrats and only one Republican, is getting 15-20% and a spot in the runoff (to be killed, I know) too much to ask for? This didn't even come close to happening. The Republican candidate came in eighth with 3.76% of the vote, lower than the Green candidate. Republicans seem to have no bench in this district. Even in many liberal Bay Area districts they are routinely able to get 20-25% of vote (which would be enough for runoff), but - not here.. There's probably a combined effect of: Low Republican support in the district generally Low Republican interest because they know they can't win Low Republican interest because Trump A terrible candidate Republicans voting for one of the Democrats because they know that's where the real action is happening. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: mds32 on April 05, 2017, 09:58:57 AM Sad that the GOP candidate couldn't even beat the Green candidate in the race.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Vega on April 05, 2017, 10:02:50 AM Sad that the GOP candidate couldn't even beat the Green candidate in the race. The Green candidate, Kenneth Mejia, was better than average. It's not that surprising. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Anna Komnene on April 05, 2017, 11:18:44 AM I wouldn't be surprised if a few Republicans hopped on the Ahn train. He is fairly liberal on several issues too but has small business experience and is apparently a staunch supporter of Israel. Probably the closest person to Republican positions they could possibly get in this district.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/4: CA-34 Jungle) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 12:35:09 PM I wouldn't be surprised if a few Republicans hopped on the Ahn train. He is fairly liberal on several issues too but has small business experience and is apparently a staunch supporter of Israel. Probably the closest person to Republican positions they could possibly get in this district. I would imagine they would do so if they vote at all (which I highly doubt many will) but there aren't enough Republicans in the district to make a difference unless it's already very close. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 05, 2017, 02:09:17 PM OP has been updated with information on the next special election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 05, 2017, 05:45:32 PM Republicans are not much of a factor in this district, so talking about them is pointless.
lol at Campoverdi doing way worse than even the Sexual Harasser, the True Leftist, the Green Party candidate, and the Republican. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 05, 2017, 08:05:10 PM I think the KS-04 result is going to be very interesting.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 05, 2017, 08:09:45 PM I think the KS-04 result is going to be very interesting. I mean Ron Estes is actually having to run ads against James Thompson, which is pretty bad in and of itself considering this is an R+14 district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Heisenberg on April 05, 2017, 08:13:39 PM Estes is going to win easily. I mean, how much have the Democrats even spent here? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 05, 2017, 08:16:23 PM I guess I should clarify: of course I don't think Democrats are going to win KS-04 in a special election. Still, Kansas swung against Trump, and it is where I would expect anti-Trump backlash to start showing itself. The KS-04 results could be instructive for how the competitive races in KS-02 and KS-03 will go in 2018.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MT Treasurer on April 05, 2017, 08:23:00 PM Estes is going to win easily. I mean, how much have the Democrats even spent here? It's probably the right thing to do. Special elections can be unpredictable. I could definitely see KS-03 being competitive in a bad year for the GOP, but KS-02 seems like a stretch. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 05, 2017, 08:25:07 PM Early vote suggests this could be much closer than expected, which would fit into the post election day trend of Democratic over performance. Estes will obviously win, but the swing from election day 2016 will be noticeable.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Figueira on April 05, 2017, 10:39:22 PM Didn't KS-04 swing toward Trump?
I'm thinking this could be a reverse of the MA special Senate election...of 2013. Not 2010, sadly. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: smoltchanov on April 06, 2017, 12:53:04 AM It was about 60-30 Pompeo in November. So, even a 15% loss will be a sort of victory for Democrats, whose base is very energized now. But Estes will, obviously, win. For Democrats to have a chance in such districts two things must happen: a very fringe lunatic Repubican candidate AND very moderate and well-known Democratic one (with crossover appeal). Neither happened in this race.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mr.Phips on April 06, 2017, 12:47:43 PM How the hell did Dan Glickman hold this seat for 18 years (1976 to 1994)? He wasn't even a moderate Dem as he was a strong supporter of single payer healthcare.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 06, 2017, 01:50:39 PM Alexis Levinson (https://twitter.com/alexis_levinson/status/850052340170227713):
Some big last minute TV spending from Rs in the #ks04 special (Pompeo's seat): RNC - $92,000 NRCC - $67,111 Issue for Rs in the Kansas special isn't on the level of Georgia — but a lot of Rs watching race expect a much closer race than you'd assume It's a narrative issue for GOP. #ks04 elex is Tuesday 4/11. A close race in a super R state is a bad narrative for Rs one wk before #GA06. Just bc it's KS, doesn't mean it's exempt from nat'l trends: liberals are super fired up and Rs know they have to deal with that #ks04 And maybe more importantly, KS Gov. Brownback remains super unpopular. And that's a weight on any R running there. #ks04 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 06, 2017, 02:08:11 PM Obviously this won't happen, but Dems accidentally winning here because everyone forgot about the race would be hilarious.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Webnicz on April 06, 2017, 02:11:38 PM How the hell did Dan Glickman hold this seat for 18 years (1976 to 1994)? He wasn't even a moderate Dem as he was a strong supporter of single payer healthcare. Could be why he lost re election in the '94 midterm... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mr.Phips on April 06, 2017, 03:01:05 PM How the hell did Dan Glickman hold this seat for 18 years (1976 to 1994)? He wasn't even a moderate Dem as he was a strong supporter of single payer healthcare. Could be why he lost re election in the '94 midterm... But you'd think a candidate like Glickman would have lost in 1978(after one term) in a district this Republican rather than last nearly 20 years. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 06, 2017, 06:55:22 PM The only poll I could find has Estes up by 24 points (56-32-4). I think GOP does just want to be safe here. It's also good to improve Estes's margins because a large margin would limit the amount of people saying that there is a large anti-Trump wave. however, since this is a red district, GA-06 will be the real test.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 07, 2017, 06:52:06 AM Cook shifted this from Safe R to Likely R yesterday.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 07, 2017, 12:59:32 PM Quote Alexis Levinson Verified account @alexis_levinson NEWS - Ted Cruz is Kansas bound to campaign for Republican Ron Estes in #ks04 special election Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 07, 2017, 01:01:06 PM Sweating like a dog!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Brittain33 on April 07, 2017, 01:03:19 PM Quote Alexis Levinson Verified account @alexis_levinson NEWS - Ted Cruz is Kansas bound to campaign for Republican Ron Estes in #ks04 special election Hey, remember when Dick Cheney went to "South Memphis" to campaign for a Republican in a special election in MS-1? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 07, 2017, 02:13:21 PM I think the NRCC is worried about margins. Getting a close result in a seat like that could build talk of an anti-Trump wave. Scares off potential challenger recruits, makes incumbents give some thought to retiring rather than run a tough race.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 07, 2017, 02:26:01 PM Cook just moved KS-04 from Safe R to Likely R.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 07, 2017, 02:52:36 PM Quote David M. Drucker Verified account @DavidMDrucker @VP to record robocall for GOP candidate in #KS04 special, per sources. Another sign this race could be real. Something's up here. This might end up being embarrassingly close for Republicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: DrScholl on April 07, 2017, 03:13:11 PM Trump should make a campaign stop for the Republican candidate. After all, he did win the district.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 07, 2017, 03:29:02 PM Fun Fact: This was Ted Cruz's best CD in the primary/caucuses. Got 62% of the vote here, even better than in WI-05.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ajc0918 on April 07, 2017, 03:43:02 PM What would a "good margin" for a democrat be in this district? Anything under 20?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 07, 2017, 04:30:22 PM What would a "good margin" for a democrat be in this district? Anything under 20? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 07, 2017, 07:08:44 PM Dave Weigel
NEWS: Dem Jim Thompson’s campaign in #KS04 says the NRCC ad, which hits him on abortion, is getting pulled for including false info. Sad! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: OneJ on April 07, 2017, 09:19:19 PM What in the world did the GOP do to worry about what could be an unusually (and embarrassingly) closer than usual race?
I mean it takes a lot of effort to start worrying about Kansas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: KingSweden on April 07, 2017, 10:25:38 PM I'm still extremely skeptical Dems could win this. This is a game of margins
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 08, 2017, 12:35:24 AM Well yeah. If this were KS-03 then it would be a different story.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on April 08, 2017, 12:38:53 AM Quote Alexis Levinson Verified account @alexis_levinson NEWS - Ted Cruz is Kansas bound to campaign for Republican Ron Estes in #ks04 special election Ron Estes is having to ship in Lyin' Ted to try to rescue his collapsing campaign? Sad! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 08, 2017, 02:42:37 AM By the way I'm loving having a special election every Tuesday. We should just elect the House this way.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: JerryArkansas on April 08, 2017, 08:31:38 AM Just saw that registered Democrats are only 7 points behind the Republicans in the early vote. They were more than 30 points ahead in November of last year. Is this really going to be a single digit race?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 08, 2017, 02:04:46 PM ()
() () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: progressive85 on April 08, 2017, 04:30:16 PM Special elections, if you look back at the ones in the last years of GWB and the ones with Obama (such as that one in New York City that the Republican won and Scott Brown), can be upsets and big surprises, and can become nationalized since there is just one election to focus on. Now I don't know if the Democrats will win any of these, but the fact that they are competing in red districts says something's going on.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: windjammer on April 08, 2017, 05:00:28 PM The Pub will win like by 10 points and will dramatically underperform Trump. But it won't be a close result.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 08, 2017, 05:01:09 PM Quote Reporter Elena Schneider explains that local Republicans "are fretting that Estes' margin is closer than expected." Wow! One unnamed GOP consultant even says, "Kansas should not be in play, but Kansas is in play." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/4/7/1650828/-Shock-upset-in-the-making-GOP-admits-Kansas-should-not-be-in-play-but-Kansas-is-in-play Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Beet on April 08, 2017, 05:07:19 PM An overwhelmingly white red state is safe Republican, no different than Kander in Missouri. They always make noises about considering a moderate Democrat, but will come home in the end.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 08, 2017, 05:11:27 PM The Pub will win like by 10 points and will dramatically underperform Trump. But it won't be a close result. Estes only winning by 7-10% would be huge and should scare the hell out of Republicans if it happens. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 08, 2017, 06:00:23 PM Honestly this is the type of open seat that could cause an upset and be winnable provided the Democrat had longer to campaign, and money was actually being spent on him. Republicans are dirt in the state, the only reason Democrats aren't making the big gains they normally would in any other state is because they're dirt in Kansas too. But in 2018 with an open governor's seat and some other statewide offices, just maybe.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Skill and Chance on April 08, 2017, 06:30:31 PM An overwhelmingly white red state is safe Republican, no different than Kander in Missouri. They always make noises about considering a moderate Democrat, but will come home in the end. It seems like Kansas has been on the cusp of realigning for a while now. Maybe a fully Republican-controlled federal government is what does the trick? Even being within 10 in this part of the state would easily extrapolate to a statewide Dem win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: windjammer on April 08, 2017, 06:49:28 PM The Pub will win like by 10 points and will dramatically underperform Trump. But it won't be a close result. Estes only winning by 7-10% would be huge and should scare the hell out of Republicans if it happens. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 08, 2017, 06:50:47 PM The point isn't whether the Dems will win, it's how close they can make the margins. A significantly boosted Democratic turnout in a safe Republican district like this is a result worth cataloging. The specific results of any individual special election aren't that important in terms of their relation to next year's midterm, but if the situation plays out that Democrats massively overperform in the special elections across the board compared to the 2016 general, from Georgia, to Montana, to Kansas, to South Carolina, etc., then that's a much stronger indicator that a wave could be in the making come 2018.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 08, 2017, 07:12:07 PM Speaking of SC-05 (Mulvaney's seat), has anyone heard anything about Democratis fielding a credible candidate there? The district has a fairly high floor for Democratic performance (even if Clinton did poorly there).
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mehmentum on April 08, 2017, 07:44:20 PM Speaking of SC-05 (Mulvaney's seat), has anyone heard anything about Democratis fielding a credible candidate there? The district has a fairly high floor for Democratic performance (even if Clinton did poorly there). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 08, 2017, 08:11:05 PM Mulvaney always won that district with underwhelming margins but that may just be because its Mick Mulvaney rather than the district being particularly competitive.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 08, 2017, 08:20:10 PM An overwhelmingly white red state is safe Republican, no different than Kander in Missouri. They always make noises about considering a moderate Democrat, but will come home in the end. Kander is not a moderate. If he and Hillary had been elected, he would have voted with Hillary 99% of the time. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mr.Phips on April 08, 2017, 08:30:11 PM Mulvaney always won that district with underwhelming margins but that may just be because its Mick Mulvaney rather than the district being particularly competitive. Pretty much any Democrat is guaranteed 40% in that district due to the black population. It's getting above 45% that is very difficult. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 08, 2017, 08:42:02 PM An overwhelmingly white red state is safe Republican, no different than Kander in Missouri. They always make noises about considering a moderate Democrat, but will come home in the end. Kander is not a moderate. If he and Hillary had been elected, he would have voted with Hillary 99% of the time. I guess in the same way that Collins is not a moderate, then. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Shadows on April 08, 2017, 10:32:51 PM Kander is less of a moderate than a Evan Bayh & is to the left of Donnelly. He didn't run as an uber centrist, there were distinct undertones of running like a subdued liberal & he did surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 08, 2017, 10:56:22 PM Kander did better than the much more conservative/moderate Chris Koster, and did so against an incumbent. Sounds to me like running as a moderate isn't everything.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Shadows on April 09, 2017, 12:09:32 AM Kander did better than the much more conservative/moderate Chris Koster, and did so against an incumbent. Sounds to me like running as a moderate isn't everything. I agree, but tbh Roy Blunt ran a disastrous campaign. I suspect any other Republican would have done better. We don't know how the race would have panned out do we? Kander deserves credit for running so far ahead of HRC too & it is not always hey the other candidate is bad but a myriad of complex factors. Elections aren't decided by 1 issue. I still think empathy, the ability to connect with voters emotionally, candidates personal honesty perception, the ability to turn out the base etc also play a pivotal role. People don't vote on Economic & Social Score only. An issue close to the heart like honesty, corruption, war-mongering, marijuana, abortion etc could totally turn the votes from a candidate someone agrees with 90% of the time. Honesty, Authenticity & trustworthiness have massive cross-over appeal & can cut across some "small" policy differences given how politicians are these days. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 09, 2017, 01:40:34 AM Kander did better than the much more conservative/moderate Chris Koster, and did so against an incumbent. Sounds to me like running as a moderate isn't everything. Well it helped that he got huge swaths of voters to disregard his F rating from the NRA with this little gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqOApBLPio Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MalaspinaGold on April 09, 2017, 01:41:18 AM An overwhelmingly white red state is safe Republican, no different than Kander in Missouri. They always make noises about considering a moderate Democrat, but will come home in the end. Quote I have been thinking carefully about the election results all month. I will try to be as succinct as possible. The Democratic party is in unacceptably poor shape with no clear path back. There is no point in being in an irrelevant party if you want to have a say in American politics. I will represent the pro-choice, anti-war, centrist wing of the GOP. And yes, I have switched my support to Trump. Good luck, Bernie Bros. The ship is yours. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 09, 2017, 03:14:02 AM For the record, the worst performance I can find for Republicans since they took the seat in 1994 was in 2000, when Todd Tiahrt won by *only* 12 points.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 09, 2017, 09:56:12 AM Kander did better than the much more conservative/moderate Chris Koster, and did so against an incumbent. Sounds to me like running as a moderate isn't everything. Kander did so well because he ran the best campaign of any Democratic Senate candidate in 2016 and pretty clearly would've won had he not been running in a Republican wave year where the Democratic Presidential nominee lost the state by nearly 20%. Koster probably would've also won in even a mildly Republican-leaning non-wave year (i.e. a reverse 2012), for that matter. We would've still lost the AG and LG races, but I don't think they'd have been blowouts either were it not for the wave. On a different note (and this part isn't at all directed at Maxwell), as Ebsy noted elsewhere, it's not really accurate when some folks here act like Kander only did well because Blunt ran a lousy campaign. Yes, Blunt took the race for granted for a while, but he woke up as the cycle continued. He still didn't run an amazing campaign, but he didn't run a horrible one either once he started taking Kander seriously. Kander was a liberal who ran an incredibly strong campaign who ran against a Republican incumbent who ran a campaign that was on par with Richard Burr's 2016 re-election campaign (i.e. a bit lazy and rather unremarkable, but hardly some sort of disaster). Blunt does strike me as a pretty uninspiring guy, especially when contrasted with someone as likable as Kander (who like Schweitzer has a real knack for articulating liberal views in a way that appeals to conservative voters). The 2016 Missouri Senate result had far more to do with the quality of Kander's campaign than it did with anything Roy Blunt did or didn't do. For the record, the worst performance I can find for Republicans since they took the seat in 1994 was in 2000, when Todd Tiahrt won by *only* 12 points. He only won by like 3% in 1996, IIRC. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 09, 2017, 12:05:33 PM For the record, the worst performance I can find for Republicans since they took the seat in 1994 was in 2000, when Todd Tiahrt won by *only* 12 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Heisenberg on April 09, 2017, 12:13:28 PM For the record, the worst performance I can find for Republicans since they took the seat in 1994 was in 2000, when Todd Tiahrt won by *only* 12 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 09, 2017, 01:15:46 PM For the record, the worst performance I can find for Republicans since they took the seat in 1994 was in 2000, when Todd Tiahrt won by *only* 12 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 09, 2017, 01:24:19 PM What I meant was that Sebelius won the district's current boundaries in 2006 and likely did in 2002 as well.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 09, 2017, 02:24:05 PM @alexis_levinson
Ron Estes got some last minute $ from House Rs per FEC filing - Reps. Lynn Jenkins, Tom Emmer, Jason Smith, David Rouzer donated #ks04 @jmartNYT No TV, but i'm told @CLFSuperPAC is spending $50K on live GOTV phone calls to all past R primary voters in lead up to #KS04 Nothing to see here! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Shadows on April 09, 2017, 02:26:32 PM Kander did better than the much more conservative/moderate Chris Koster, and did so against an incumbent. Sounds to me like running as a moderate isn't everything. Well it helped that he got huge swaths of voters to disregard his F rating from the NRA with this little gem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqOApBLPio Phenomenal & even that maybe under-appreciating gem - His whole background, candour, seemingly honesty & charisma really makes the ad stick out ! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 10, 2017, 09:18:19 AM I'm going to make a very bold prediction on KS-4
50% (D) 47% (R) 3% (L) Brownback is extremely unpopular, which would act to suppress Democratic defections and drive up their turnout on election night, while creating the potential for some moderate registered republicans to actually be voting dem as a rebuke to Brownback. Obama no longer being president also means that Republican turnout overall may go down, and Trump being president will drive turnout of Democrats up. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: windjammer on April 10, 2017, 09:22:26 AM The Pub will win by 10 points. The dem nominee should then run for some statewide offices in KS, he would have a non negligible chance to win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 10, 2017, 10:19:18 AM The Pub will win by 10 points. The dem nominee should then run for some statewide offices in KS, he would have a non negligible chance to win. I'm hoping it's somewhere closer to Brownback's 6.6% win 2014. A margin around there would: 1. Scare Republicans in competitive districts away from Trump's agenda. Repealing Obamacare would be even deader than it is now and it would make tax reform even more difficult. 2. Harm Republican recruitment efforts, while boosting Democratic recruitment. 3. Convince some Republicans that it would be better to retire than face a competitive reelection in 2018. Open seats are always easier to pick up. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 10, 2017, 11:34:44 AM The Pub will win by 10 points. The dem nominee should then run for some statewide offices in KS, he would have a non negligible chance to win. I'm hoping it's somewhere closer to Brownback's 6.6% win 2014. Brownback only won by 3.8% actually. If Republicans only held this seat by single-digits, that would be a huge scare to Republicans for the reasons you mentioned, but here's my prediction: Estes (R) 54% Thompson (D) 42% Rockhold (L) 4% Brownback might be completely toxic in the state, but it's only good enough to elect better Republicans, not Democrats, at least not yet. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 10, 2017, 12:05:10 PM Being optimistic for the final result:
Estes (R) - 54% Thompson (D) - 43% Rockhold (L) - 3% A closer loss for Thompson would probably set him up for some other kind of office, and of course scare the crap out of Republicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Jeppe on April 10, 2017, 02:05:22 PM What time do the polls close today?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 10, 2017, 02:08:32 PM What time do the polls close today? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 10, 2017, 02:14:03 PM Final prediction before tomorrow:
Ron Estes (R) - 53% James Thompson (D) - 44% Chris Rockhold (L) - 3% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 10, 2017, 02:14:35 PM Also, does anyone have any idea where one can find the final early vote statistics for KS-04? Tom Bonier of TargetSmart posted some a few days back but I haven't seen any numbers since then.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 10, 2017, 03:08:39 PM I say:
Estes - 53% Thompson - 43% Rockhold - 4% As a Wichitan, I know by any mean this is a hell of an uphill battle. Here's what Thompson has going for him: -Insane fundraising numbers (for the 4th district) -Strong grassroots support in Wichita's young professional community (we'll see if there are enough "new Wichitans" to propel him to victory) -He's strongly pro-gun -The field operation is incredibly strong, and there are thousands of volunteers on the ground and on the phones -Estes hasn't really been campaigning much; his office has sat around empty for a while just before the election -Estes somehow has less energy than Jeb Bush or Ben Carson, the guy is sooooo boring -Paul Davis only lost the district by a few points, and Estes is strongly linked to unpopular Brownback Here's what stands in his way though: -This district bleeds red through and through-most Dems lose by 30 -Ted Cruz remains very popular with the large Evangelical population -Abortion ads will hit Thompson hard, even though they're false; Abortion is even more of a fault line in Wichita than most places thanks to the Summer of Mercy and then years later, Dr. Tiller's killing -Estes was the former county treasurer and current state treasurer, so people know him -Will Black and Latino Democrats in Wichita turn out? There was a big turnout dropoff in 2014 and even from the presidential race to the congressional race in 2016 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: rob in cal on April 10, 2017, 03:53:01 PM Looking at Estes's website you would think Obama was still president, no mention of Trump that I could find, either for or against. Any sense of whether he would be fairly Trump friendly or not as much?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ronnie on April 10, 2017, 04:01:47 PM I predict:
Estes 57% Thompson 39% I hope the Democrat does better, but I don't see it. The district is too red. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 10, 2017, 04:03:42 PM For the hell of it:
Estes - 48% Thompson - 46% Rockhold - 6% I know it probably won't be this close, but I at least have the right to dream for that old western populism to make a resurgence. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 10, 2017, 04:11:10 PM @jonshorman
>> TRUMP has recorded call for Estes, KS Republican national committeeman Mark Kahrs tells me #ksleg #KS04 Bringing out the big guns. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 10, 2017, 04:19:53 PM Prediction:
Ron Estes (R) 50% James Thompson (D) 36% Chris Rockhold (Ltn) 4% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 10, 2017, 04:22:32 PM Prediction: Ron Estes (R) 50% James Thompson (D) 36% Chris Rockhold (Ltn) 4% Implying you predict 10% of all ballots are invalid Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 10, 2017, 04:27:15 PM Prediction: Ron Estes (R) 50% James Thompson (D) 36% Chris Rockhold (Ltn) 4% Implying you predict 10% of all ballots are invalid Yes, I just realized. Very stupid of me. Estes 54% Thompson 42% Rockhold 4% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 10, 2017, 04:30:02 PM Cook just moved this race from Likely R to Lean R: (http://cookpolitical.com/story/10306)
() @jonshorman >> TRUMP has recorded call for Estes, KS Republican national committeeman Mark Kahrs tells me #ksleg #KS04 Bringing out the big guns. Here's the transcript of that robocall: () He really said "big league"... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 10, 2017, 04:45:47 PM I'll predict Estes wins 52-44.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 10, 2017, 04:54:08 PM Romney won this district by only 8%...I think the final margin will be around there No... maybe you're thinking of KS-03 where Romney won by 9. This district went from 61-36 Romney to 60-33 Trump. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 10, 2017, 05:10:53 PM If this were an open seat in KS-02, it would be winnable for Democrats. If it were KS-03, it'd probably lean Democrat at this point. But it's neither.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 10, 2017, 05:57:05 PM Going to go ahead and say Estes only wins by 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on April 10, 2017, 05:59:27 PM Prediction
Estes 52% Thompson 45% Rockhold 3% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pandaguineapig on April 10, 2017, 06:06:08 PM This reminds me of 2014 with all the hysteria over kansas congressional seats. Estes wins this by 15
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 10, 2017, 06:26:14 PM Estes will win, but by less than 10. Even if they're playing it safe, Republicans seem to be sweating over this a little too much if Estes was on track to cruise through by something like a 15 point margin.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 10, 2017, 06:31:41 PM Crystal Ball moved this to Likely R
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 10, 2017, 06:42:55 PM Estes wins 51-44.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on April 10, 2017, 07:01:23 PM Crystal Ball moved this to Likely R Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 10, 2017, 07:21:10 PM Crystal Ball moved this to Likely R Yes Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: KingSweden on April 10, 2017, 07:35:59 PM Estes wins 51-44. This strikes me as a reasonable prediction Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 10, 2017, 09:13:54 PM Quote An internal poll circulating among Republicans showed Estes up by only a single point as of last week. Trump’s call suggests the urgency of the situation. “Ron Estes needs your vote, and needs it badly,” the president says in the call to voters. Source (http://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article143857629.html) Yeah, I don't believe that. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 10, 2017, 09:15:26 PM lmao if a Republican internal only has Estes up 1 point...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 10, 2017, 09:18:16 PM IMO it's pretty obvious that this is the same, old trick. I guess there's the possibility Republicans are trying to play it up so a single-digit win for Estes doesn't look bad, but never doubt the incompetency of Kansas Republicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 10, 2017, 09:19:20 PM IMO it's pretty obvious that this is the same, old trick. I guess there's the possibility Republicans are trying to play it up so a single-digit win for Estes doesn't look bad, but never doubt the incompetency of Kansas Republicans. It's to scare folks into voting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on April 10, 2017, 09:21:25 PM Interesting a Democratic internal from last month had Estes +24
http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/kansas-democratic-congressional-candidate-feuds-with-party (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/kansas-democratic-congressional-candidate-feuds-with-party) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 10, 2017, 09:37:39 PM Interesting a Democratic internal from last month had Estes +24 http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/kansas-democratic-congressional-candidate-feuds-with-party (http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/kansas-democratic-congressional-candidate-feuds-with-party) A lot can change in a month, especially in a special congressional election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 10, 2017, 09:39:16 PM Part of me thinks this is actually close, and part of me is remembering that Orman was supposed to come close or win, but ended up losing by a lot (although he still did better than "Generic D"). No idea which is right.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 10, 2017, 09:40:09 PM Just saw a tweet that that the early vote was 48-40 Republican.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 10, 2017, 09:40:14 PM Either way it's probably why they're running around screaming like the sky is falling.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: socaldem on April 10, 2017, 09:52:35 PM Thompson strikes me as a really good candidate--he seems almost Tester-esque in his approach...
Estes seems slimy af and just looks like a GOP tool. I'm hoping that--whatever the outcome--Thompson stays involved, perhaps running for Kansas statewide office or a rematch in 2018. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 10, 2017, 10:29:15 PM Just saw a tweet that that the early vote was 48-40 Republican. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 10, 2017, 10:32:01 PM IMO it's pretty obvious that this is the same, old trick. I guess there's the possibility Republicans are trying to play it up so a single-digit win for Estes doesn't look bad, but never doubt the incompetency of Kansas Republicans. It's to scare folks into voting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 10, 2017, 10:45:56 PM I say: Estes - 53% Thompson - 43% Rockhold - 4% As a Wichitan, I know by any mean this is a hell of an uphill battle. Here's what Thompson has going for him: -Insane fundraising numbers (for the 4th district) -Strong grassroots support in Wichita's young professional community (we'll see if there are enough "new Wichitans" to propel him to victory) -He's strongly pro-gun -The field operation is incredibly strong, and there are thousands of volunteers on the ground and on the phones -Estes hasn't really been campaigning much; his office has sat around empty for a while just before the election -Estes somehow has less energy than Jeb Bush or Ben Carson, the guy is sooooo boring -Paul Davis only lost the district by a few points, and Estes is strongly linked to unpopular Brownback Here's what stands in his way though: -This district bleeds red through and through-most Dems lose by 30 -Ted Cruz remains very popular with the large Evangelical population -Abortion ads will hit Thompson hard, even though they're false; Abortion is even more of a fault line in Wichita than most places thanks to the Summer of Mercy and then years later, Dr. Tiller's killing -Estes was the former county treasurer and current state treasurer, so people know him -Will Black and Latino Democrats in Wichita turn out? There was a big turnout dropoff in 2014 and even from the presidential race to the congressional race in 2016 Isn't Wichita the biggest city in Kansas? I know it's still a medium sized city, but it's a bit odd when the biggest city in a state is heavily Republican. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 10, 2017, 10:56:48 PM KS-GOV is ripe for the taking for the taking in 2018, if KS Ds can't then they mind as well close up shop.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 10, 2017, 10:57:53 PM I find that R+1 poll pretty suspect, though a single digit race at this point wouldn't be crazy. I expect something around R+10 at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Kantakouzenos on April 11, 2017, 01:08:06 AM Actually, it was moved from likely to lean R.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 11, 2017, 07:34:38 AM My prediction is about +15 for Estes. The reason I say this is because of the redness of the district and that poll someone cited earlier of Estes at +24. I also think the Libertarian narrowly misses getting 5% of the vote.
Of course, I could be horribly wrong, but I think with the GOP putting so much into the election in the final days and, like I said before, with the district being pretty red, Estes will win by a large margin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 08:25:31 AM I say: Estes - 53% Thompson - 43% Rockhold - 4% As a Wichitan, I know by any mean this is a hell of an uphill battle. Here's what Thompson has going for him: -Insane fundraising numbers (for the 4th district) -Strong grassroots support in Wichita's young professional community (we'll see if there are enough "new Wichitans" to propel him to victory) -He's strongly pro-gun -The field operation is incredibly strong, and there are thousands of volunteers on the ground and on the phones -Estes hasn't really been campaigning much; his office has sat around empty for a while just before the election -Estes somehow has less energy than Jeb Bush or Ben Carson, the guy is sooooo boring -Paul Davis only lost the district by a few points, and Estes is strongly linked to unpopular Brownback Here's what stands in his way though: -This district bleeds red through and through-most Dems lose by 30 -Ted Cruz remains very popular with the large Evangelical population -Abortion ads will hit Thompson hard, even though they're false; Abortion is even more of a fault line in Wichita than most places thanks to the Summer of Mercy and then years later, Dr. Tiller's killing -Estes was the former county treasurer and current state treasurer, so people know him -Will Black and Latino Democrats in Wichita turn out? There was a big turnout dropoff in 2014 and even from the presidential race to the congressional race in 2016 Isn't Wichita the biggest city in Kansas? I know it's still a medium sized city, but it's a bit odd when the biggest city in a state is heavily Republican. I think the city of Wichita itself is more of a toss-up city, with the area outside the city which makes up about 25% of the counties population pushes Sedgwick County to be a very reliable Republican County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 09:52:07 AM My prediction is about +15 for Estes. The reason I say this is because of the redness of the district and that poll someone cited earlier of Estes at +24. I also think the Libertarian narrowly misses getting 5% of the vote. Of course, I could be horribly wrong, but I think with the GOP putting so much into the election in the final days and, like I said before, with the district being pretty red, Estes will win by a large margin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vega on April 11, 2017, 10:01:23 AM Does anyone have a live results page?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on April 11, 2017, 10:17:52 AM Does anyone else think it's possible that internal poll is right an there could be a huge crossover vote from reps who are sick of Brownback/local rep leadership?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: KingSweden on April 11, 2017, 10:26:10 AM I don't doubt the +1 internal, but I still expect Estes to win by mid single digits
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 11, 2017, 10:27:59 AM Does anyone else think it's possible that internal poll is right an there could be a huge crossover vote from reps who are sick of Brownback/local rep leadership? Yes, in fact one of the main questions I am going to have answered tonight is which faction of Republicans are turning out, moderates who defect or Brownbackers who won't. In fact, the Kansas republican civil war is what made me make my bold prediction in the first place, in spite of the republican lead in early voting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on April 11, 2017, 10:45:13 AM If this race is less than a 10 point win for Estes it signals trouble for the GOP in the upcoming special elections ( not sure about 2018) and maybe VA Governor
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Kantakouzenos on April 11, 2017, 11:07:35 AM Is there website that will have a live results page for this election?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Jeppe on April 11, 2017, 11:09:24 AM What time do polls close today?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 11:13:17 AM I say: Estes - 53% Thompson - 43% Rockhold - 4% As a Wichitan, I know by any mean this is a hell of an uphill battle. Here's what Thompson has going for him: -Insane fundraising numbers (for the 4th district) -Strong grassroots support in Wichita's young professional community (we'll see if there are enough "new Wichitans" to propel him to victory) -He's strongly pro-gun -The field operation is incredibly strong, and there are thousands of volunteers on the ground and on the phones -Estes hasn't really been campaigning much; his office has sat around empty for a while just before the election -Estes somehow has less energy than Jeb Bush or Ben Carson, the guy is sooooo boring -Paul Davis only lost the district by a few points, and Estes is strongly linked to unpopular Brownback Here's what stands in his way though: -This district bleeds red through and through-most Dems lose by 30 -Ted Cruz remains very popular with the large Evangelical population -Abortion ads will hit Thompson hard, even though they're false; Abortion is even more of a fault line in Wichita than most places thanks to the Summer of Mercy and then years later, Dr. Tiller's killing -Estes was the former county treasurer and current state treasurer, so people know him -Will Black and Latino Democrats in Wichita turn out? There was a big turnout dropoff in 2014 and even from the presidential race to the congressional race in 2016 Isn't Wichita the biggest city in Kansas? I know it's still a medium sized city, but it's a bit odd when the biggest city in a state is heavily Republican. I think the city of Wichita itself is more of a toss-up city, with the area outside the city which makes up about 25% of the counties population pushes Sedgwick County to be a very reliable Republican County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 11:15:51 AM What time do polls close today? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 11:40:56 AM Is there website that will have a live results page for this election? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 11, 2017, 11:50:38 AM I imagine AP runners will also be there for the results. Though I haven't seen an actual AP results page, kansas.com (The Wichita Eagle) will more than likely have a feed of these results.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 12:05:20 PM The AP results page and other general info have been in the OP for close to a week now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 12:16:15 PM Any reports on turnout?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 12:51:04 PM Any reports on turnout? Not sure on live stuff, but yesterday The Kansas City Star had the Kansas Republican Party Director Clay Barker predict 20% turnout or lower. One source says: "I just spoke to a Sedgwick County election official, who described turnout as 'steady, but not overwhelming.'" https://twitter.com/daviddesola/status/851848885819637761 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 01:03:46 PM Useful chart from 538 on importance of KS-4 in context:
() Quote A Thompson loss of 20 percentage points or less would probably be a good sign for Democrats. That’s 9 points closer than the past presidential vote suggests the margin should be in a neutral political environment. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 01:15:14 PM I'd be careful about reading too much into the results here. Don't be too quick to assume that Democrats are headed for massive victories over the next two years if Thompson overperforms here. It's too soon to make that conclusion.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 01:16:34 PM I'd be careful about reading too much into the results here. Don't be too quick to assume that Democrats are headed for massive victories over the next two years if Thompson overperforms here. It's too soon to make that conclusion. If Dems can win in this ultra-republican seat, it's difficult to see a house seat that they can't win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 01:22:12 PM I'd be careful about reading too much into the results here. Don't be too quick to assume that Democrats are headed for massive victories over the next two years if Thompson overperforms here. It's too soon to make that conclusion. True - Estes has been a disastrous candidate, possibly worse even than any of the GOPers running in Georgia's 6th. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 11, 2017, 01:38:17 PM I'd be careful about reading too much into the results here. Don't be too quick to assume that Democrats are headed for massive victories over the next two years if Thompson overperforms here. It's too soon to make that conclusion. As I said before, the results of a single special don't tell us much, but a the trend of the margins across them all can be more indicative of a potential wave. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 01:41:04 PM a single digit loss for dems would energize the base everywhere, imho.
this race was a non-starter anyway and no one has really cared until a day or two ago. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 02:12:35 PM Could just be true lies: Quote Steffi @steffimaggs YES, lots of registered Republicans in #KS04 tweeting they voted for .@JamesThompsonKS https://twitter.com/steffimaggs/status/851851814286876673 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Brittain33 on April 11, 2017, 02:12:50 PM I'd be careful about reading too much into the results here. Don't be too quick to assume that Democrats are headed for massive victories over the next two years if Thompson overperforms here. It's too soon to make that conclusion. True - Estes has been a disastrous candidate, possibly worse even than any of the GOPers running in Georgia's 6th. When there's a bad national environment, normally competent candidates look like hapless fools and perfectly average candidates appear to walk on water. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 02:15:50 PM If the race ends up within single digits, then Thompson will have had crossover appeal, but I don't know how to quantify "lots" in this case.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 02:22:43 PM Trump tweeting about this will definitely help the Democrats.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 03:06:59 PM Trump tweeting about this will definitely help the Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 03:41:31 PM Trump tweeting about this will definitely help the Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 03:49:45 PM if Democrats felt like being DIRTY TRICKSTERS, they would do a fake robocall with someone who does a mean Sam Brownback impression, with Fake Brownback giving an endorsement to Estes. That would be Tricky Dick Tricky
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: retromike22 on April 11, 2017, 04:49:04 PM Come help phonebank for James Thompson!
http://www.votejamesthompson.com/phonebank (http://www.votejamesthompson.com/phonebank) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 04:51:22 PM Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 4m4 minutes ago
We expect 70%+ of the #KS04 votes to come from Sedgwick County -- home to Wichita. Trump won this county 56-37% in November. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 3m3 minutes ago Thompson needs to run up the #KS04 score in downtown Wichita: precincts 105-122, 306-310, 607-609 and 615. Clinton won these 62-28%. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 2m2 minutes ago Clinton won these two dozen counties by 8,000+ votes -- a small prize in a district she lost by 76,000. So Thompson needs a turnout spike. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 1m1 minute ago What does Estes need in #KS04? Maintain 2016 turnout levels in Wichita suburbs and small surrounding cities in Sedgwick County. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 24s24 seconds ago Some Estes precincts I'm watching in #KS04 are 214-228 in the east, 410-425 in the south, 506-539 in the west and 622-623 in the north. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 2m2 minutes ago Watch smaller surrounding #KS04 cities, where Trump raked in votes -- like Derby, Afron, Haysville, Morton, Ninnescah, Salem and Sherman. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 1m1 minute ago Those Wichita suburban precincts and smaller cities in Sedgwick County gave Trump almost half his 2016 margin of victory in #KS04. Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 1m1 minute ago Other counties that matter are Butler, Harvey, Cowley and Sumner -- which account for one in five #KS04 votes. The other 12 are too small. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 05:32:52 PM ALL THE LINKSSSSSS
Sedgwick County results page: http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html AP results by County: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/KS_US_House_0411.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS KS SoS website results: http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html DDHQ results: https://decisiondeskhq.com/results/kansas-4th-congressional-district-special-election/ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 05:36:42 PM Here's how Trump did in each county, according to the results here on Atlas. The # of precincts in each one, per AP, are listed in ()'s:
Barber (23): Won, 83%-12% Butler (41): Won, 69%-24% Chautauqua (15): Won, 83%-13% Comanche (5): Won, 82%-12% Cowley (59): Won, 66%-28% Edwards (15): Won, 79%-17% Elk (11): Won, 83%-12% Greenwood (19): Won, 76%-17% Harper (16): Won, 77%-15% Harvey (38): Won, 58%-34% Kingman (28): Won, 76%-18% Kiowa (12): Won, 83%-11% Pawnee (5): Won, 72%-22% Pratt (12): Won, 74%-20% Sedgwick (257): Won, 54%-36% Stafford (24): Won, 79%-16% Sumner (40): Won, 72%-21% Polls close in less than 90 minutes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 05:40:39 PM If the race is within 10, Thompson is probably winning Sedgwick County.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 06:20:41 PM If the race is within 10, Thompson is probably winning Sedgwick County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 06:28:18 PM If the race is within 10, Thompson is probably winning Sedgwick County. Scratch that, reverse it, I meant if Thompson is winning Sedgwick the race is probably within 10. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 06:29:03 PM Surprised more people aren't posting in this thread right now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Progressive on April 11, 2017, 06:34:46 PM Hoping people keep the results in context. A D+15 swing for instance is hard for me to take as a "bad result." That being said, it saddens me that the GOP can pull off upsets like Scott Brown in Mass. and not the Dems.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 11, 2017, 06:36:31 PM If the race ends up within single digits, then Thompson will have had crossover appeal, but I don't know how to quantify "lots" in this case. I think I'm starting to annoy even myself with my 'jokey' replies here, but I think this one is a fairly funny reply to this. From the Old T.V show 'Cheers' Sam Malone: "Woody, next time you order beer, be more specific than “lots.”" Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 06:37:42 PM Hoping people keep the results in context. A D+15 swing for instance is hard for me to take as a "bad result." That being said, it saddens me that the GOP can pull off upsets like Scott Brown in Mass. and not the Dems. to be fair, massachusetts has a decent chunk of "business" republicans who are more than willing to vote against democrats when they have a decent republican to vote for. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Progressive on April 11, 2017, 06:39:10 PM Hoping people keep the results in context. A D+15 swing for instance is hard for me to take as a "bad result." That being said, it saddens me that the GOP can pull off upsets like Scott Brown in Mass. and not the Dems. to be fair, massachusetts has a decent chunk of "business" republicans who are more than willing to vote against democrats when they have a decent republican to vote for. That's true. But I want Dems to be able to pull off upsets too. I feel like the GOP is the upset party, except for some rare instances like the Kathy Hochul old seat in NY, etc. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 11, 2017, 06:42:22 PM Hoping people keep the results in context. A D+15 swing for instance is hard for me to take as a "bad result." That being said, it saddens me that the GOP can pull off upsets like Scott Brown in Mass. and not the Dems. to be fair, massachusetts has a decent chunk of "business" republicans who are more than willing to vote against democrats when they have a decent republican to vote for. That's true. But I want Dems to be able to pull off upsets too. I feel like the GOP is the upset party, except for some rare instances like the Kathy Hochul old seat in NY, etc. I guess the Democrats winning here depends on how 'upset' Republican voters are with the GOP. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 06:47:43 PM (((Harry Enten)))@ForecasterEnten
Rough guide of how well Dem will need to do in KS-4 by county to win. Based off 2016 prez vote. *Would be shocking if he comes close to this () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 06:51:12 PM ^ That doesn't really make sense. Thompson needs to at least come within 2 points in every county to win? There's no reason he needs that in the counties in the district that were >80% Trump.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 06:54:48 PM ^ That doesn't really make sense. Thompson needs to at least come within 2 points in every county to win? There's no reason he needs that in the counties in the district that were >80% Trump. He clarified: (((Harry Enten))) @ForecasterEnten 1h1 hour ago Let me clarify again (cause I'm being unclear), the center is what you should be looking at. Updated column heads. () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:00:49 PM Polls closed
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Progressive on April 11, 2017, 07:02:26 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 07:03:11 PM ^ That doesn't really make sense. Thompson needs to at least come within 2 points in every county to win? There's no reason he needs that in the counties in the district that were >80% Trump. He clarified: (((Harry Enten))) @ForecasterEnten 1h1 hour ago Let me clarify again (cause I'm being unclear), the center is what you should be looking at. Updated column heads. () So is Cowley sort of a bellwether county here? EDIT: Never mind. I finally see what Enten means. I think. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 07:05:30 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Where do you see results already? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 07:05:39 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:06:16 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:06:55 PM We might be waiting for a little while, folks.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on April 11, 2017, 07:07:27 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html AP doesn't have any either. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/KS_Page_0411.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:08:38 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html Fake news? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:10:10 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html Fake news? It's a super close race though. Tied in fact. (0-0) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 07:10:41 PM All this hype and it will end up being a blowout, I am not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: rafta_rafta on April 11, 2017, 07:11:26 PM My prediction: GOP by 12
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:12:19 PM OMG
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:12:32 PM First (tiny) results show Thompson leading by a wide margin:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:13:23 PM Just sit tight everyone
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:14:26 PM Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ 1h1 hour ago
FIRST RESULTS SEDGWICK (EARLY) Thompson leads with 14226 to 8563 That's 61-36-1 lololololololol Obviously it wont stay this way but it's fun while it lasts. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:14:44 PM I don't trust DDHQ as far as I can throw them after their incorrect calls in the D Michigan/Missouri Primaries. I'll stick to AP (by county), which does not show anything yet.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:15:00 PM These are early ballots, by the way.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 07:15:07 PM Wow, if this is the early vote it means that huge % of registered Republicans voted for Thompson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:15:27 PM I don't trust DDHQ as far as I can throw them after their incorrect calls in the D Michigan/Missouri Primaries. I'll stick to AP (by county), which does not show anything yet. It's not just DDHQ, numbers match the Sedgwick County site: http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:16:04 PM All of these ballots are out of Sedgwick.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 07:16:09 PM I don't trust DDHQ as far as I can throw them after their incorrect calls in the D Michigan/Missouri Primaries. I'll stick to AP (by county), which does not show anything yet. It's not just DDHQ, numbers match the Sedgwick County site: http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html Mother of God... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vega on April 11, 2017, 07:16:44 PM I don't trust DDHQ as far as I can throw them after their incorrect calls in the D Michigan/Missouri Primaries. I'll stick to AP (by county), which does not show anything yet. Just because they got a call incorrect doesn't mean there numbers are. I keep a weary eye on their calls as well though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:18:07 PM (((Harry Enten)))@ForecasterEnten 1h1 hour ago
Thompson needs to win Sedgwick by like 10 to win the race. He's up over 20 points in early vote. Still very early. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:18:13 PM I don't trust DDHQ as far as I can throw them after their incorrect calls in the D Michigan/Missouri Primaries. I'll stick to AP (by county), which does not show anything yet. Just because they got a call incorrect doesn't mean there numbers are. I keep a weary eye on their calls as well though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:18:36 PM Okay, but it's probably just a lucky early precinct.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:18:49 PM Any idea what percentage of Sedgwick is counted? It was 70% of all votes cast in 2016.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:19:02 PM Dave Weigel @daveweigel 1h1 hour ago
Thompson campaign tells me that its #s from Sedgwick County early vote are "higher than expected." #ks04 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:19:26 PM This could just be an anomaly, a very Democratic-friendly precinct, but if this is anywhere near the actual result in Sedgwick, it's huge.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:19:38 PM lmao
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 07:19:58 PM Okay, but it's probably just a lucky early precinct. This is the early vote, it is from the entirety of Sedgwick County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 07:20:10 PM The link I'm using is this one. This one has results.
http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html (http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:20:29 PM Butler County reporting, 54-43 Estes
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/851952864775876613 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 07:21:03 PM These results are only early ballots?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:21:06 PM How many votes should we be expecting total in this race? This is likely early vote and not a precinct; there are 25,000 votes counted already. This could be a quarter or more of the turnout in already, so I don't think we should discard these prelims as a heavily Democratic precinct or whatever.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:21:21 PM These results are only early ballots? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 136or142 on April 11, 2017, 07:21:46 PM So far Thompson leading Brownback sweating like a dog Link?! http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html Fake news? It's a super close race though. Tied in fact. (0-0) Posted this earlier, but you'll probably enjoy it https://youtu.be/N3-SW11BoOk?t=5m8s Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:22:07 PM How many votes should we be expecting total in this race? This is likely early vote and not a precinct; there are 25,000 votes counted already. This could be a quarter or more of the turnout in already, so I don't think we should discard these prelims as a heavily Democratic precinct or whatever. If it means anything, 275,000 votes were cast here in 2016... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 11, 2017, 07:22:18 PM Wasn't the early vote registration counted as something like 48%-40% Republican favored? That's a MASSIVE crossover vote.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:22:27 PM Butler County reporting, 54-43 Estes https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/851952864775876613 69-24 Trump; 11% of CD's votes in 2016 - with Sedgwick combined that was 81% of all 2016 votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 07:22:30 PM These results are only early ballots? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:22:45 PM I have a gut feeling that Thompson will win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 07:23:08 PM I wonder if this could be the Democratic version of Bob Turner winning Anthony Weiner's district
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 07:23:21 PM Current tally with some early vote from Sedgwick and Butler:
Thompson (D) - 14,553 - 60.9% Estes (R) - 8,973 - 37.5% Rockhold (L) - 341 - 1.4% I kinda thought the Libertarian would have a better showing. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:23:29 PM Tom Bonier @tbonier 1h1 hour ago
Well, wow. It appears Thompson won the EV/AV in Sedgwick 61%-36%, while the turnout was 42% Reg Dems, 44% Reg GOPs. #KS04 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:24:18 PM Tom Bonier @tbonier 1h1 hour ago Well, wow. It appears Thompson won the EV/AV in Sedgwick 61%-36%, while the turnout was 42% Reg Dems, 44% Reg GOPs. #KS04 My butthole just clinched with joy. Surely this can't be right? Is Thompson picking up every unaffiliated voter? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 07:24:59 PM Kyle Kondik @kkondik 3m3 minutes ago
More Well at the very least this is a considerable moral victory for Dems - and perhaps an actual victory. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:25:07 PM It could be that the Democrats cannibalized most of their votes through early voting, but if that's not the case, Estes could be in trouble. Again, though, these are hypotheticals. We'll know for sure soon enough.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on April 11, 2017, 07:25:19 PM Were there any reports on Election Day turnout (low, medium, high...?)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:25:41 PM Butler County reporting, 54-43 Estes https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/851952864775876613 69-24 Trump; 11% of CD's votes in 2016 - with Sedgwick combined that was 81% of all 2016 votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 07:25:59 PM STOP GETTING MY HOPES UP
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:26:27 PM Butler County reporting, 54-43 Estes https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/851952864775876613 69-24 Trump; 11% of CD's votes in 2016 - with Sedgwick combined that was 81% of all 2016 votes. A swing from Trump +45 to Estes +11? Yeah. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:26:46 PM Hey Democrats, here's a sign you don't need to be a Blue Dog to win in rural districts.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:26:52 PM FIRST AP RESULTS:
April 11, 2017 - 08:21PM ET (i) = incumbent = winner = runoff U.S. House - District 4 - Special General South Central County Precincts J. Thompson (Dem) R. Estes (GOP) C. Rockhold (Lib) Total 1/620 14,226 62% 8,563 37% 325 1% Barber 0/23 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Butler 0/41 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Chautauqua 0/15 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Comanche 0/5 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Cowley 0/59 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Edwards 0/15 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Elk 0/11 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Greenwood 0/19 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Harper 0/16 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Harvey 0/38 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Kingman 0/28 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Kiowa 0/12 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Pawnee 0/5 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Pratt 0/12 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Sedgwick 1/257 14,226 62% 8,563 37% 325 1% Stafford 0/24 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Sumner 0/40 0 0% 0 0% 0 0% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 07:27:01 PM It could be that the Democrats cannibalized most of their votes through early voting, but if that's not the case, Estes could be in trouble. Again, though, these are hypotheticals. We'll know for sure soon enough. Yeah, I expect the Election Day returns to come crashing down on Thompson, but this is nice to see so far. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:27:44 PM It's going to be close.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:27:51 PM SoS still doesn't have Butler's results listed, but I'm not betting on DDHQ getting the numbers wrong.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:28:54 PM Reporting back...my friend says Estes is doing terrible in the remaining areas. Will update when possible. Thompson might win this! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on April 11, 2017, 07:29:12 PM EV has me skeptical Sedgwick is no Johnson County but Trump is the Republican that can make large R counties like Duval, Oklahoma, and Maricopa competitive.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:30:07 PM If Dems have cannabilized to a large degree and this comes down to the wire, then Sumner County (72-21 Trump) may make the difference. It's the only other county where at least 3% of the 2016 vote is located.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 11, 2017, 07:30:17 PM It could be that the Democrats cannibalized most of their votes through early voting, but if that's not the case, Estes could be in trouble. Again, though, these are hypotheticals. We'll know for sure soon enough. That's the thing though, a lot of these votes are coming from Republicans based on the early vote partisan registration. That's why the numbers are so insane. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 07:30:41 PM SoS still doesn't have Butler's results listed, but I'm not betting on DDHQ getting the numbers wrong. The reported Butler results are easily verifiable: http://maps.bucoks.com/elections/public/G06.php?election=38#103 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:31:58 PM Estes up 62-35 in Barber's 1st precinct
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on April 11, 2017, 07:32:09 PM This might sound odd but could the Trump/Pence robocalls and Cruz visit help election day vote topple this...jw?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Jeppe on April 11, 2017, 07:32:31 PM Barber County
Trump - 82% Este - 62% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:33:51 PM Reporting back...my friend says Estes is doing terrible in the remaining areas. Will update when possible. Thompson might win this! I have a friend who volunteered for the Bernie Sanders campaign where I live in NYC, out in Kansas working on this campaign. He goes all over since he's totally committed. He'll be with the Ossoff and Quist campaign soon after this one. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 07:34:06 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:34:09 PM (((Harry Enten))) @ForecasterEnten 1h1 hour ago
Early vote from Barber has Estes +27. Should be something like +43 Estes in final results if Estes wants to win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 07:34:18 PM How can it be Democrats cannibalizing themselves if the partisan breakdown of the EV slightly favored Republicans?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vosem on April 11, 2017, 07:34:20 PM Estes up 62-35 in Barber's 1st precinct Barber was 82-13 Trump, so this is a 42-point swing assuming Barber County as a whole is 62-35. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:34:51 PM (switching to SOS data. AP is slower.)
United States House of Representatives 004 Precincts Reporting: 2 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 14,270 61% L-Chris Rockhold 329 1% R-Ron Estes 8,642 37% 1 Sedgwick + 1 Barber are in. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:35:14 PM Estes up 62-35 in Barber's 1st precinct Barber was 82-13 Trump, so this is a 42-point swing assuming Barber County as a whole is 62-35. Consistent with the swings with the other counties so far. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Crumpets on April 11, 2017, 07:35:24 PM Stop getting me all excited, people. Now I have to commit to sitting at my computer for the next few hours pressing refresh instead of, you know, eating and doing taxes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:35:32 PM How can it be Democrats cannibalizing themselves if the partisan breakdown of the EV slightly favored Republicans? Doesn't the district lean very strongly in registration/primary vote toward the Republicans? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:35:35 PM We're reporting these results faster than either website
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on April 11, 2017, 07:35:48 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? Yes, but Clinton's campaign had a massive early vote operation, which probably cannibalized much of their Election Day vote. Did Thompson have anything similar going on? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 07:35:58 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? Yes. I expect Estes to dominate the ED vote big time, but I am now quite curious about the what the final margin will end up being. Looks like a fair amount of Republicans crossed over. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:36:21 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? He lost the early vote in both, yes, but I wouldn't say he got massacred. The early vote was about 6-7% more D friendly than the eventual results, IIRC. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Dr. Arch on April 11, 2017, 07:36:26 PM Stop getting me all excited, people. Now I have to commit to sitting at my computer for the next few hours pressing refresh instead of, you know, eating and doing taxes. Lmao, this. Is this really happening? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 11, 2017, 07:36:43 PM Stop getting me all excited, people. Now I have to commit to sitting at my computer for the next few hours pressing refresh instead of, you know, eating and doing taxes. I've missed this high. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on April 11, 2017, 07:37:49 PM We're reporting these results faster than either website We're more motivated. :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Angrie on April 11, 2017, 07:38:17 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:38:23 PM Haven't been this excited since November 8th...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:39:06 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 07:39:13 PM Stop getting me all excited, people. Now I have to commit to sitting at my computer for the next few hours pressing refresh instead of, you know, eating and doing taxes. I've missed this high. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 07:39:16 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? Yes, but Clinton's campaign had a massive early vote operation, which probably cannibalized much of their Election Day vote. Did Thompson have anything similar going on? I don't know for sure, but I'm running the assumption that Democrats tend to concentrate heavily on early voting Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:39:23 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. There is a path to winning the senate. It's called forcing out McCaskill for Kander in Missouri, and winning a three-way (McMullin as Indy) in Utah. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:39:58 PM Can I just say that Sedgwick County desperately needs a web designer?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: OneJ on April 11, 2017, 07:40:03 PM I'm getting too excited as well. :P
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:40:10 PM Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk
Early returns in Sedgwick County show strongest Trump precincts coming in weaker for Estes. Strongest Clinton stronger for Thompson. #KS04 Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk GO - Trump 68%, Estes 56% DB42 - Trump 67%, Estes 57% 410 - Trump 67%, Estes 49% GY01 - Trump 70%, Estes 53% 531 - Trump 67%, Estes 53% Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk Some core Dem precincts in Wichita, still very early: 116 - Clinton 89%, Thomp 97% 117 - Clinton 90%, Thomp 98% 118 - Clinton 82%, Thomp 94% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vosem on April 11, 2017, 07:40:12 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? He lost the early vote in both, yes, but I wouldn't say he got massacred. The early vote was about 6-7% more D friendly than the eventual results, IIRC. If that's reflected here, assuming what we have is representative of all the early vote, we should see a 0-1% Thompson win :P Could be a barn-burner, folks. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 07:40:50 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. There is a path to winning the senate. It's called forcing out McCaskill for Kander in Missouri, and winning a three-way (McMullin as Indy) in Utah. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:41:29 PM In hindsight, now that Thompson might actually have a real shot at this...
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:41:41 PM Stop getting me all excited, people. Now I have to commit to sitting at my computer for the next few hours pressing refresh instead of, you know, eating and doing taxes. Now I'm sitting here getting all liquored up instead of doing my at-dusk exercising. Could there be a more fitting drink for me to have? () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:42:24 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. There is a path to winning the senate. It's called forcing out McCaskill for Kander in Missouri, and winning a three-way (McMullin as Indy) in Utah. I'll believe it when I see it with TX after Hillary did worse than Obama '08 in terms of % of the vote despite maxing out the urban areas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:42:46 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. There is a path to winning the senate. It's called forcing out McCaskill for Kander in Missouri, and winning a three-way (McMullin as Indy) in Utah. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 07:42:52 PM I bet the DCCC regrets not investing heavily in this race.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 07:43:05 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? He lost the early vote in both, yes, but I wouldn't say he got massacred. The early vote was about 6-7% more D friendly than the eventual results, IIRC. Really? What was FL? I recall the EV there being ugly for Trump. From that observation, I'm starting to suspect Estes is toast. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:44:29 PM It'll be close, perhaps my bold prediction was not as bold as I thought.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 07:44:48 PM I bet the DCCC regrets not investing heavily in this race. Thompson localized the race at made it more of a referendum on Brownback than on Trump or Congressional Republicans. I don't think ties to the national party would've helped all that much. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 07:44:56 PM the EV in fl wasn't so bad for trump.
he got beaten in the last week, as usual, but not even close to obama territory and needed much too long. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Suburbia on April 11, 2017, 07:45:04 PM It will be close, but Estes will win. But he is not off the hook in 2018.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 07:45:55 PM If this seat is actually even competitive, then Democrats look poised to win control of the House and maybe even (somehow, despite the map) the Senate in the 2018 midterms. There is a path to winning the senate. It's called forcing out McCaskill for Kander in Missouri, and winning a three-way (McMullin as Indy) in Utah. I'll believe it when I see it with TX after Hillary did worse than Obama '08 in terms of % of the vote despite maxing out the urban areas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:46:15 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? He lost the early vote in both, yes, but I wouldn't say he got massacred. The early vote was about 6-7% more D friendly than the eventual results, IIRC. Really? What was FL? I recall the EV there being ugly for Trump. From that observation, I'm starting to suspect Estes is toast. If I recall correctly, Dems only had a net EV advantage of a point or two - but people read into this as being good considering the net Dem advantage they had in 2012 was less (or non-existent?) in early voting and Obama still eeked out a win + believing the losses in D registration over the past four years were merely Romney '12 voters finally flipping their registrations. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 11, 2017, 07:46:32 PM I still think Estes will squeak this out, but this is simply embarrassing!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 07:46:39 PM Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk Early returns in Sedgwick County show strongest Trump precincts coming in weaker for Estes. Strongest Clinton stronger for Thompson. #KS04 Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk GO - Trump 68%, Estes 56% DB42 - Trump 67%, Estes 57% 410 - Trump 67%, Estes 49% GY01 - Trump 70%, Estes 53% 531 - Trump 67%, Estes 53% Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk Some core Dem precincts in Wichita, still very early: 116 - Clinton 89%, Thomp 97% 117 - Clinton 90%, Thomp 98% 118 - Clinton 82%, Thomp 94% Some precincts voting nearly 100% Thompson. lol Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bilaps on April 11, 2017, 07:47:09 PM This is going so sloooow
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:47:46 PM Not to rain on all the Democrats' hopes here, but didn't Trump get massacred in the early vote in Florida, North Carolina, st al, only to slaughter Clinton even worse in Election Day voting? He lost the early vote in both, yes, but I wouldn't say he got massacred. The early vote was about 6-7% more D friendly than the eventual results, IIRC. Really? What was FL? I recall the EV there being ugly for Trump. From that observation, I'm starting to suspect Estes is toast. I believe Clinton started out about 6% ahead of Trump in FL, so again, that would have made the EV roughly 7% more Democratic than the eventual results. I have no idea if that will be the case with this race, though. I don't want to jump to conclusions too quickly. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:48:10 PM From what I gather....turnout is abysmal without Trump on the ballot Estes is basically seen as Brownback Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 07:48:21 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:48:28 PM I bet the DCCC regrets not investing heavily in this race. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 07:48:36 PM I bet the DCCC regrets not investing heavily in this race. They staying out helped the expectations game. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 07:48:48 PM Are Kansas primaries open or closed? The reason I'm asking is that if they are closed, that could explain why Thompson did so good with registered R's in the early vote.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on April 11, 2017, 07:48:58 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? "Special elections are special." Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 07:49:09 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Rural voters are far more elastic than their suburban counterparts? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:49:42 PM Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk
Precinct 607 in NW downtown Wichita so far: 2016: Clinton 57%, Trump 31% Early return today in #KS04: Thompson 85%, Estes 15% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:49:59 PM Butler showing up on the SOS website, Thompson still at 61%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on April 11, 2017, 07:50:06 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Rural voters are far more elastic than their suburban counterparts? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:50:10 PM Butler finally coming in...54-43 Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:50:13 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Races like these matter just as much. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 07:50:40 PM Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk Precinct 607 in NW downtown Wichita so far: 2016: Clinton 57%, Trump 31% Early return today in #KS04: Thompson 85%, Estes 15% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:51:04 PM Are Kansas primaries open or closed? The reason I'm asking is that if they are closed, that could explain why Thompson did so good with registered R's in the early vote. They're closed, but places like Sedgwick aren't necessarily going to have such lopsided numbers of Democrats registered as Republicans because of the dominance. Yes, they do exist I'm sure, but it wouldn't be like it is in super-majority GOP counties where 30-40% of your Dems are voting in the GOP primaries. The increase in the share of Dems registered as Reps or vice-versa exponentially increases with the percentage of the vote of the majority party. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 07:51:25 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Candidate quality matters and you can't win 'em all. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 07:52:17 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Cobb County Republicans are a bunch of pretentious losers. But we knew that already. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 07:53:27 PM Edwards going 74-24 for Estes, with 9/15 in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 07:53:58 PM Edwards going 74-24 for Estes, with 9/15 in. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Crumpets on April 11, 2017, 07:54:22 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:54:25 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 12 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 14,704 60% L-Chris Rockhold 351 1% R-Ron Estes 9,381 38% Back to Top Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 07:54:28 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? Rural voters are far more elastic than their suburban counterparts? Yeah, KS-04 is populated entirely by direct descendants of Gumby. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 07:54:34 PM Edwards County reporting, Thompson now at 60%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:54:37 PM If Thompson wins here, which is beginning to look more likely with each passing minute, it'll also show the strength of grassroots like Our Revolution. The DCCC didn't enter into this race until the twilight hour.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:55:02 PM Edwards going 74-24 for Estes, with 9/15 in. 79-16 Trump Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:55:25 PM Edwards was 79-16 Trump, but Thompson needs a bigger swing than that in other counties to win this.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on April 11, 2017, 07:55:29 PM What if Ds end up winning KS-04 and MT-AL but lose GA-06 what message would that send to the DCCC? The usual blacks did not turnout or voter suppression. I-85 conspiracy theories. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:55:38 PM Edwards going 74-24 for Estes, with 9/15 in. 79-16 Trump And the county is <1% of the district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:55:49 PM With Edwards County coming in, Thompson's percentage is down by 0.8%.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 07:57:01 PM Edwards was 79-16 Trump, but Thompson needs a bigger swing than that in other counties to win this. If he can maintain huge swings in Sedgwick, Butler and Sumner, he's likely going to be OK. Those three counties were 85% of the 2016 vote. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 07:57:13 PM If Thompson wins here, which is beginning to look more likely with each passing minute, it'll also show the strength of grassroots like Our Revolution. The DCCC didn't enter into this race until the twilight hour. Might not be a bad strategy in some places. Let the grassroots lay the strategy and the groundwork, and the DCCC can pitch in at the end to help seal the deal. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:57:18 PM Lol
Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 1h1 hour ago In Mulvane, one of those crucial small towns near Wichita for Estes. Trump won 65-25% in November. Estes is BEHIND 64-36% in early returns. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 07:58:01 PM Lol Ryan Struyk @ryanstruyk 1h1 hour ago In Mulvane, one of those crucial small towns near Wichita for Estes. Trump won 65-25% in November. Estes is BEHIND 64-36% in early returns. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 07:58:30 PM Pawnee is fully in, 71-29 Estes. It was 72-22 Trump in 2016.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 07:59:27 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 17 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 14,722 60% L-Chris Rockhold 351 1% R-Ron Estes 9,425 39% Pawnee: 71% Estes, 74% Trump. Not encouraging for Thompson. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 07:59:28 PM We might just make it race
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 07:59:45 PM I guess there's something glorious about the fact that a Berniecrat might win in the literal home of Koch Industries.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 07:59:58 PM Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ
Thompson won early votes in Harvey 1043 to 703 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bilaps on April 11, 2017, 08:00:14 PM Pawne was 117-18 for Pompeo and it's only 44-18 for Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 08:00:20 PM Pawnee is fully in, 71-29 Estes. It was 72-22 Trump in 2016. Guess Leslie Knope couldn't deliver it for Thompson. Shame. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vega on April 11, 2017, 08:00:36 PM United States House of Representatives 004 Precincts Reporting: 17 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 14,722 60% L-Chris Rockhold 351 1% R-Ron Estes 9,425 39% Pawnee: 71% Estes, 74% Trump. Not encouraging for Thompson. ... it's less than 1% of the district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Doimper on April 11, 2017, 08:00:59 PM Pawnee is fully in, 71-29 Estes. It was 72-22 Trump in 2016. Guess Leslie Knope couldn't deliver it for Thompson. Shame. Doesn't she live in Indiana? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 08:01:04 PM Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ Thompson won early votes in Harvey 1043 to 703 Very nice! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 08:01:18 PM So the farther away from Wichita you get, the less anti-Trump the vote is.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:01:38 PM Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ Thompson won early votes in Harvey 1043 to 703 58-34 Trump (60-40 Thompson) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: President of the great nation of 🏳️⚧️ on April 11, 2017, 08:01:44 PM Pawnee is fully in, 71-29 Estes. It was 72-22 Trump in 2016. Guess Leslie Knope couldn't deliver it for Thompson. Shame. Doesn't she live in Indiana? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:01:49 PM Pawnee: 71% Estes, 74% Trump. Not encouraging for Thompson. That's not where the votes are, though. Pawnee is fully in, 71-29 Estes. It was 72-22 Trump in 2016. Pawnee's the name of the town in Parks and Rec. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:02:44 PM pretty sure thompson won't win (kansas is unable to kill even one republican in a really lousy situation) but the general competitiveness is a great sign for dozens and dozens of closer races.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Suburbia on April 11, 2017, 08:02:56 PM If Thompson wins, he'll be the most vulnerable House Democrat in 2018..so he shouldn't be too comfortable. Estes is a bad candidate. Estes may run for KS governor in 2018, if he loses, but if he wins this congressional seat, he could face a primary challenge.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on April 11, 2017, 08:03:30 PM I still don't think Thompson will win but this should scare reps
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:03:40 PM More votes coming in from Sedgwick. Now:
James A. Thompson ...... 17189 / 59% Chris Rockhold ...... 430 / 1% Ron Estes ...... 11397 / 39% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:03:46 PM Pawne was 117-18 for Pompeo and it's only 44-18 for Estes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Crumpets on April 11, 2017, 08:04:03 PM Woah, are these Sumner numbers for real?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:04:07 PM If Thompson wins, he'll be the most vulnerable House Democrat in 2018..so he shouldn't be too comfortable. Estes is a bad candidate. Estes may run for KS governor in 2018, if he loses, but if he wins this congressional seat, he could face a primary challenge. If Estes can't win a Safe R congressional seat, he's not gonna run for governor. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:04:40 PM Sumner county's coming in, race now 58-41 Thompson
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:05:11 PM Sumner was an error, it's actually 52-46 Estes, but it was 72-21 Trump.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Doimper on April 11, 2017, 08:05:32 PM If Thompson wins, he'll be the most vulnerable House Democrat in 2018..so he shouldn't be too comfortable. Estes is a bad candidate. Estes may run for KS governor in 2018, if he loses, but if he wins this congressional seat, he could face a primary challenge. If Estes can't win a Safe R congressional seat, he's not gonna run for governor. Maybe Estes can be our Martha Coakley. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:05:49 PM Woah, are these Sumner numbers for real? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:05:58 PM 58-40
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:06:05 PM (((Harry Enten))) @ForecasterEnten 1h1 hour ago
Early vote from Sumner County has Estes + 6... Overall, he wants a margin of about 24 from Sumner. Early vote tends to lean Dem. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:06:17 PM Also, more of Sedgwick has come in, now it's 59-39 Thompson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: PresidentSamTilden on April 11, 2017, 08:06:40 PM Pawne was 117-18 for Pompeo and it's only 44-18 for Estes. It's like "300" but with 18 Kansas liberals, lol Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:06:44 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 20 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 17,848 58% L-Chris Rockhold 461 2% R-Ron Estes 12,471 41% Sumner: 52% Estes, 72% Trump Sedgwick: 59% Thompson, 36% Clinton Edwards: 76% Estes, 79% Trump Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:07:25 PM 56-42
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:07:31 PM Pawne was 117-18 for Pompeo and it's only 44-18 for Estes. It's like "300" but with 18 Kansas liberals, lol Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:07:56 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 32 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 18,776 56% L-Chris Rockhold 511 2% R-Ron Estes 14,093 42% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:08:10 PM What just dumped?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 08:08:13 PM I don't think Thompson can pull it off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:08:42 PM AP has Harvey at Thompson 59 Estes 40
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:08:49 PM Estes is dead as a rock. I'm calling it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:08:51 PM Now 61-37 in Butler (69-24 Trump) with one-quarter of precincts reporting.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ronnie on April 11, 2017, 08:09:01 PM If Thompson wins, he might as well change his name to Joseph Cao, but it's cool that he has a shot now. Still, I'm not holding my breath that he'll actually pull it off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:09:20 PM It's starting to come down to the wire now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:09:38 PM What just dumped? The more counties come in, the worse Thompson does (obviously). Regardless, if he keeps dropping, there isn't much room for him to win. The race is now 55-43. Just a minute ago it was 58-40. Bad sign. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bilaps on April 11, 2017, 08:09:47 PM Kingman came in for Estes
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:09:59 PM Kingman just came in heavily for Estes. 71-27 with 17 of 28 precincts reported. Trump won this county 76-18.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:10:15 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 49 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 19,067 55% L-Chris Rockhold 533 2% R-Ron Estes 14,879 43% Outside of Sedgwick, the counties that are beyond just 1 precinct don't have Estes doing that badly. Weaker than Trump, but not terrible. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:10:18 PM Estes probably pulls it out.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 08:10:26 PM This feels like Kay Hagan 2014.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 08:10:46 PM I think Estes will win but it'll be closer than it has any right to be. Overall a good night for Dems, but sadly not a great night.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:11:20 PM Now 61-37 in Butler (69-24 Trump) with one-quarter of precincts reporting. butler seems to be the only MAJOR pro-republican place with a lots of votes in the district so this is a essential for Estes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:11:45 PM What share of Sedgewick is in?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:12:13 PM Is it possible for Sedgwick to carry the district for Thompson all by itself?
What share of Sedgewick is in? PRECINCTS COUNTED - TOTAL PRECINCTS COUNTED - TOTAL ...... 0036 of 0257 Precinct Reported 0036 ,Eligible Precinct 0257 http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:12:17 PM Estes probably pulls it out. Yeah. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:12:28 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 65 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 20,728 54% L-Chris Rockhold 606 2% R-Ron Estes 16,932 44% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:12:35 PM What share of Sedgewick is in? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:12:42 PM Looks like Thompson is overperforming by a massive amount in Sedgwick (Wichita)... and just a little bit everywhere else. There is just way too much vote outstanding here for him to pull this off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:13:02 PM Cowley results trickling in, Estes winning 54-44 there. Trump won it 66-28 in 2016.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:13:14 PM Is it possible for Sedgwick to carry the district for Thompson all by itself? regarding the numbers, sure, but estes still gets a loooooooooooooooooot of votes there, so unlikely. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:13:17 PM Is it possible for Sedgwick to carry the district for Thompson all by itself? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:13:27 PM What share of Sedgewick is in? If I had to guess, between one-third and one-quarter. We don't know for sure because of how early vote is counted - only 2/257 precincts fully reporting according to SoS. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 08:14:14 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:14:42 PM Cowley votes showing up: 54-44 Estes (66-28 Trump); 16/59 precincts reporting
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:15:07 PM Thompson's winning Harvey so far by 12. If he stays ahead there, he still has a chance, but I think Estes probably wins narrowly.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:15:22 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 71 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 22,133 54% L-Chris Rockhold 651 2% R-Ron Estes 18,029 44% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:15:27 PM Harvey results coming in, Thompson 55-43. Trump won there 58-34.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:15:43 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off. What's it at now? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:15:57 PM Nate Cohn @Nate_Cohn
In done precincts, ev is 39% of total vote in Sedgwick Estes running a net-27 pts better on eday. If true, would mean Thompson+8 in Sedgwick Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 08:16:12 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off. Nate Cohn thinks that Thompson is ahead 8. So this is probably going down to the wire. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:16:20 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off. What's it at now? 59-39, Thompson. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:16:39 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off. What's it at now? PRECINCTS COUNTED - TOTAL PRECINCTS COUNTED - TOTAL ...... 0036 of 0257 Precinct Reported 0036 ,Eligible Precinct 0257 REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL ...... 295294 /100% Precinct Reported 0036 ,Eligible Precinct 0257 BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL BALLOTS CAST - TOTAL ...... 29075 /100% Precinct Reported 0036 ,Eligible Precinct 0257 BALLOTS CAST - BLANK BALLOTS CAST - BLANK ...... 1 /100% Precinct Reported 0036 ,Eligible Precinct 0257 U. S. Representative 4th District 4th District James A. Thompson ...... 17189 / 59% Chris Rockhold ...... 430 / 1% Ron Estes ...... 11397 / 39% WRITE-IN ...... 42 / 0% http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:16:40 PM Enten said Thompson needs to win Sedgewick by around 9 to have a chance at pulling this off. What's it at now? NYT showing that he's winning the county by 11% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:17:09 PM Comanche county has all it's votes in, gone for Estes 74-24, Trump won this county 82-11
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:17:35 PM Comanche fully reporting: 74-24 Estes (82-12 Trump)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:17:46 PM Comanche just dumped. 278-90 in favor of Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:18:14 PM Thompson's % keeps dropping. I think there's too many small counties left. Estes probably wins this
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:18:52 PM Either way, this is going to be very close. Which means Democrats have already won.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:18:55 PM Kiowa's in and done, gone for Estes 80-17 (Trump 83-10). Estes has gone up one point, race is now 54-45 Thompson
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:19:05 PM Thompson's lead dipped below 4,000.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:19:15 PM This looks like it's going to be close, but I'm going to be a pessimist and say that Estes pulls this off.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:19:19 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 88 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 22,313 54% L-Chris Rockhold 679 2% R-Ron Estes 18,732 45% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:19:35 PM Kiowa fully reporting: 80-17 Estes (83-11 Trump)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:20:28 PM Thompson seems to running way, way ahead of Clinton and Davis in suburban Wichita (Sedgwick) and only slightly so in the rural precincts.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:20:31 PM Thompson's % keeps dropping. I think there's too many small counties left. Estes probably wins this they are not....those counties are over and counted early. they are important now but not in an hour or so. if thompson delivers in the big 3-4 counties and ofc most of all in Sedgwick, he wins. i still don't think it happens but the bulk of tiny counties isn't the problem here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:20:55 PM 53.4-44.9% as of right now
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 08:21:56 PM Honestly it's all about Wichita now. Thompson is not doing as well as he needs to be in rural areas.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:22:03 PM It's quickly turning into a nail-biter, but the fact we're even describing it as one should be seen as an accomplishment for Thompson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:22:46 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 104 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 22,422 53% L-Chris Rockhold 690 2% R-Ron Estes 19,063 45% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:23:38 PM 53.1-45.2%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:24:47 PM Before anybody makes any call one way or another, let's remember that Sedgwick is barely reporting anything outside of EV. We won't know what any of this truly means until we see at least a few dozen more precincts from there dump.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:25:27 PM Edwards fully reporting: 78-21 Estes (79-16 Trump)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:25:31 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:25:40 PM This could've been less of a nail-biter if the DNC actually funded money for Thompson's campaign.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:25:44 PM Enten says Thompson needs +9 in Sedgwick to win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:25:50 PM Edwards finished tallying. Estes wins there 78-21.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:26:03 PM Before anybody makes any call one way or another, let's remember that Sedgwick is barely reporting anything outside of EV. We won't know what any of this truly means until we see at least a few dozen more precincts from there dump. It looks like Butler still has 30 precincts left to count too, it mostly comes down to those two counties. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:26:14 PM those tiny tiny tiny counties are atm over-represented right now by FAAAAAR and much more republican anyway.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:26:29 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. Democrats are pessimistic creatures. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:26:48 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. Because of the 2016 Presidential election results. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:26:59 PM This could've been less of a nail-biter if the DNC actually funded money for Thompson's campaign. I guarantee you even if Thompson loses by a razor-thin margin they'll say "well, looks like populism failed here." Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:27:23 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. We're having some occasional flashbacks of election night. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:27:45 PM Before anybody makes any call one way or another, let's remember that Sedgwick is barely reporting anything outside of EV. We won't know what any of this truly means until we see at least a few dozen more precincts from there dump. It looks like Butler still has 30 precincts left to count too, it mostly comes down to those two counties. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: InheritTheWind on April 11, 2017, 08:27:59 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. Because of the 2016 Presidential election results. I feel like as a party, we collectively have PTSD Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:28:20 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. it is effing kansas, which doubled down on brownback even while it seemingly hates the guy and holds together anyway. and EV is a bad indicator as 2016 has shown. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:28:50 PM This could've been less of a nail-biter if the DNC actually funded money for Thompson's campaign. I guarantee you even if Thompson loses by a razor-thin margin they'll say "well, looks like populism failed here." Dude, look at the numbers coming from the rural precincts. Estes is doing just fine out there. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:29:17 PM 17/23 reporting in Barber: 71-27 Estes (82-13 Trump)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 08:29:29 PM I see two possibilities. The rural counties carry Estes over the finish line, or Wichita and surrounding burbs betray Republicans and elect Thompson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: houseonaboat on April 11, 2017, 08:29:40 PM Interesting that Thompson is slightly outperforming Hillary in rural counties, even if Estes is keeping on pace with Trump. Suggests that Dem underperformance in key areas in 2016 was HRC specific more so than party specific Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:29:50 PM It all comes down to the election day turnout in Sedgwick and the surrounding counties. If the election day vote doesn't give Estes much of a boost in those counties, Thompson might still pull this off. Otherwise, Estes probably pulls ahead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:30:21 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. Because of the 2016 Presidential election results. I feel like as a party, we collectively have PTSD Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:30:30 PM 51-48 Thompson
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:30:32 PM 51-48 Thompson... his margin is down to ~1,600. Still not much out of Sedgwick though. Butler is looking pretty loyal to Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:30:39 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 130 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 24,892 51% L-Chris Rockhold 804 2% R-Ron Estes 23,239 48% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:31:03 PM Somewhere just dumped, and the lead has been cut to 1,500 for Thompson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vega on April 11, 2017, 08:31:32 PM I really wouldn't count Thompson out given what is outstanding (Wichita mainly) and what has come in
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 11, 2017, 08:31:33 PM Sedgwick is still almost completely out
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:31:40 PM Butler gave Estes a bump, he's up 63-35 there now. But Thompson is still up 56-43 in Harvey, with more votes in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bilaps on April 11, 2017, 08:31:45 PM Somewhere just dumped, and the lead has been cut to 1,500 for Thompson. Butler Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:31:52 PM Just an update: 60% of the precincts outside of Butler, Sedgwick and Sumner have reported. This probably means more like three-quarters of their votes are in already.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 11, 2017, 08:32:14 PM As of right now:
50.9 (Thompson) 47.5 (Estes) 1.6 (Rockhold) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:32:20 PM The precincts with the most out in Sedgwick tend to be more GOP than what's already in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:32:34 PM Yeah, the votes are still outstanding in Sedgwick. If Thompson keeps a good enough lead there he'll win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on April 11, 2017, 08:32:40 PM 21% in
Thompson 50.9% Estes 47.5% () (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/kyle444444/media/Kanasa_3.png.html) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 11, 2017, 08:33:22 PM What are the key counties for tonight?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:33:26 PM The precincts with the most out in Sedgwick tend to be more GOP than what's already in. There's evidence that plenty of Republicans defected to Thompson, so who knows. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:33:35 PM Sedgwick is still almost completely out "Miami is still out," "Cleveland is still out," "Detroit is still out," Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:33:50 PM Still nothing out of Stafford, Pratt, Harper, Elk, Greenwood, and Chautauqua counties. They make up ~5% of the vote.
Edit: Chautauqua comes in at 79-20 Estes with 5 out of 15 reporting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:33:56 PM Sedgwick updated, county now:
James A. Thompson ...... 20900 / 57% Chris Rockhold ...... 559 / 1% Ron Estes ...... 15091 / 41% WRITE-IN ...... 49 / 0% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:34:06 PM Sedgwick is still almost completely out "Miami is still out," "Cleveland is still out," "Detroit is still out," Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:34:25 PM Chautauqua just dropped about 225 votes: 79-20 Estes (83-13 Trump). That's probably most of the votes out of there.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MT Treasurer on April 11, 2017, 08:34:35 PM James Thompson (Democratic) 50.5% 28,658
Ron Estes (Republican) 47.7% 27,054 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:34:57 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 199 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 28,646 51% L-Chris Rockhold 937 2% R-Ron Estes 27,105 48% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:35:43 PM Estes probably has this. Thompson doesn't seem to be padding to his margin in Sedgwick at all in terms of actual votes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mike Thick on April 11, 2017, 08:35:50 PM I'm increasingly thinking that Estes pulls this one out, but the fact that it's this close is terrifying.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 08:36:36 PM I'm increasingly thinking that Estes pulls this one out, but the fact that it's this close is terrifying. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:36:46 PM Local news:
https://twitter.com/KWCH12/status/851970046876426240 Quote KWCH Eyewitness News on Twitter: Sedgwick Co votes delayed. Error occurred on tabulating machine @ Edgemoor Rec Ctr. The votes to be recounted #KS04 ... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: BuckeyeNut on April 11, 2017, 08:37:04 PM I assume Democrats lose this later in the night, but wow.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:37:27 PM Sedgwick just had a dump. Thompson's numbers dropped 2%.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:37:41 PM yeah, i also totally wonder why the DNC is not spending massively in GOP+ 30 or something Kansas races.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:38:04 PM Elk coming through for Thompson.
95-10, but still. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:38:09 PM Elk County dropped, Thompson wins 86-14.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 08:38:16 PM Thompson won Elk County
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:38:47 PM Elk coming through for Thompson. 95-10, but still. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 08:38:57 PM Elk was wrong, lol
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:39:02 PM Thompson won Elk County Nvm, Estes won 78-17 there. Votes weren't updated yet. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:39:04 PM It looks like Thompson is going to lose this one.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:39:07 PM Elk looked like another brief error, going for Thompson than Estes. Shocked the crap out of me, though
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:39:19 PM Sedgwick just had a dump. Thompson's numbers dropped 2%. Ouch for Thompson Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:39:46 PM Lee FangVerified account @lhfang 3m3 minutes ago
Campaign finance reports in #KS04 show almost entire GOP leadership sending funds to Estes, while Dems gave almost nothing to Thompson. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:39:59 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 210 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 28,741 50% L-Chris Rockhold 952 2% R-Ron Estes 27,489 48% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:40:16 PM at this point, thompson would need a MASSIVE sedgwick win and i am not trusting kansas of all places enough to pull this off.
well, going to be a great showing anyway....congratulations, grassroots, i am impressed and hopeful. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:40:22 PM Thompson up by less than 1,000 votes now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 08:40:25 PM https://twitter.com/pmiller1693/status/851971019657162752
Thompson running well ahead of Davis in Wichita's Davis-Trump precincts. Good sign. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Dr. Arch on April 11, 2017, 08:40:30 PM It's gonna come down to the HSS column. This is KS-04 we're talking about here. 2018 might be a D wave.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bilaps on April 11, 2017, 08:40:45 PM Estes has this, don't expect margin in Sedgwick and especially Harvey to stay like this. And he's down less than 1300 votes so far.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:41:15 PM Cowley just finished.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:41:25 PM Kingman dumped, down to just about 600 votes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:41:33 PM Is Thompson really similar to Manchin?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:41:39 PM Estes is doing 25% better in Election Day Vote in Sedgwick
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MT Treasurer on April 11, 2017, 08:42:03 PM Looks like Thompson is going to get Fairfax'd.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:42:22 PM It's gonna come down to the HSS column. This is KS-04 we're talking about here. 2018 might be a D wave. only if this outrage and this government incompetence is holding up for another 18 months. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:42:45 PM I feel like I'm two refreshes away from a 1,000 vote Estes lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: krazen1211 on April 11, 2017, 08:43:06 PM Trump wins again!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:43:19 PM Is Thompson really similar to Manchin? He's a Berniecrat. He even did an AMA on the Sanders subreddit a couple weeks ago. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MT Treasurer on April 11, 2017, 08:43:21 PM 49-49 right now
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:43:24 PM Tied race
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:43:27 PM I feel like I'm two refreshes away from a 1,000 vote Estes lead. Yup... Thompson's lead has been whittled down to 265 votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:43:29 PM Thompson needs a massive boost out of Sedgwick otherwise the smaller rural counties will erase whatever is left of his lead easily.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:43:33 PM yeah, i also totally wonder why the DNC is not spending massively in GOP+ 30 or something Kansas races. Because they can't smell opportunity when it's crammed up their nostrils Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: houseonaboat on April 11, 2017, 08:43:36 PM What counts as a moral win here if you're a Democrat? Estes +7? Estes +4?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:43:42 PM 200 votes now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:43:49 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 275 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 30,394 49% L-Chris Rockhold 1,012 2% R-Ron Estes 30,129 49% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:44:03 PM What counts as a moral win here if you're a Democrat? Estes +7? Estes +4? Less than double-digits. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:44:25 PM Estes just took the lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on April 11, 2017, 08:44:29 PM What counts as a moral win here if you're a Democrat? Estes +7? Estes +4? Any outcome at this point would be a moral win. Estes should've won by at least 20. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:44:35 PM It's over.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:44:38 PM And Estes is in the lead. Let's hope Thompson keeps this in single-digits.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Angrie on April 11, 2017, 08:44:44 PM It looks like Thompson is going to lose this one. Sadly, looks like probably so to me. An interesting aspect of this is that it does seem pretty clear that Republicans seem to have held up much better in rural areas than in the Witchita suburbs. That supports the suburbs-anti-trump-revolt idea that is floating around. If Democrats can make gains capitalizing on an anti-trump backlash, it will be in districts like GA-06. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:45:01 PM This was a symbolic victort nonetheless. Will probably spark a lot of confidence for Dems when it comes to GA-6 but especially MT-AL.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:45:05 PM this district is sooo republican, single digits would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 08:45:11 PM What counts as a moral win here if you're a Democrat? Estes +7? Estes +4? Single digits Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 08:45:11 PM Estes takes the lead in the SoS count:
United States House of Representatives 004 Precincts Reporting: 298 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 30,590 49% L-Chris Rockhold 1,032 2% R-Ron Estes 30,708 49% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: exopolitician on April 11, 2017, 08:45:42 PM Pratt takes Thompson back up 50-49
Just kidding.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:45:52 PM Sedgewick vote in?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:46:06 PM Pratt takes Thompson back up 50-49 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:46:09 PM Pratt takes Thompson back up 50-49 This was an error. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:46:11 PM What counts as a moral win here if you're a Democrat? Estes +7? Estes +4? IMO it already is a moral victory. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:46:17 PM Even though Thompson will probably lose, a lesson here should be taken into context by Democrats: a left-wing populist message was able to make a normally Safe R race into a nail-biter, and a bit more of a push from the party itself probably could've made the difference here.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:46:17 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on April 11, 2017, 08:46:37 PM Sedgewick vote in? About a quarter. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:46:43 PM Pratt takes Thompson back up 50-49 This was an error. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:46:51 PM Thanks Trump!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:46:55 PM Pratt fully reporting: 64-34 Estes (74-20 Trump)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 08:47:07 PM It's still genuinely shocking they had to defend this district at all.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on April 11, 2017, 08:47:12 PM Oops missed the east side of the district! Here are the current results.
47% in Estes 49.3% Thompson 49.0% () (http://s54.photobucket.com/user/kyle444444/media/Kanasa_4.png.html) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:47:20 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 310 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 31,143 49% L-Chris Rockhold 1,063 2% R-Ron Estes 31,743 50% Estes is in the lead now, but waiting for the rest of Sedgwick before making any call here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Confused Democrat on April 11, 2017, 08:47:34 PM No it's not. Thompson still has a substantial lead in Sedgwick. It's only over if that county narrows substantially. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on April 11, 2017, 08:47:55 PM Hopefully Democrats see this and actually get involved in Georgia and Montana. We're tired of being cucked!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: wjx987 on April 11, 2017, 08:48:04 PM Seems like Harvey is trending away from Thompson. Bad news.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on April 11, 2017, 08:48:11 PM Stafford all in now.
Estes up just shy of 1,000. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:48:14 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. The fact that it came so close shows that a bigger push (and more money, especially) could've made the difference. That's the lesson to take from this, and if the DCCC comes back tomorrow and says "well, the populist message failed here, let's keep focusing on suburban districts" then they'll continue to lose golden opportunities like this one. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: mieastwick on April 11, 2017, 08:48:31 PM Kochs keep this district in their clutches.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: exopolitician on April 11, 2017, 08:48:39 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. I still think it's an accomplishment it wound up this close. Good news for Jon "Solo" Ossoff Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:48:47 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback's failures. Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. The fact that it came so close shows that a bigger push (and more money, especially) could've made the difference. That's the lesson to take from this, and if the DCCC comes back tomorrow and says "well, the populist message failed here, let's keep focusing on suburban districts" then they'll continue to lose golden opportunities like this one. Again... pay attention to where Thompson is outperforming Clinton and Davis, and to where he's not. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:48:59 PM Stafford is done.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mike Thick on April 11, 2017, 08:49:04 PM No it's not. Thompson still has a substantial lead in Sedgwick. It's only over if that county narrows substantially. And our assumptions are based on Sedgwick narrowing substantially :P Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: houseonaboat on April 11, 2017, 08:49:06 PM To be clear, Estes is likely gonna win by 6+. There was no opportunity here for Dems except for a moral victory. The opportunity in GA-06 (and in MT-AL), on the other hand, is very real.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 08:49:22 PM Two-thirds of all outstanding precincts are in Sedgwick.-
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:49:25 PM the DNC atm is not caring about being populist or not but about winable races.
KS is the longest of longest shots. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on April 11, 2017, 08:49:37 PM And there's the Estes 1,000 vote lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 08:49:40 PM No it's not. Thompson still has a substantial lead in Sedgwick. It's only over if that county narrows substantially. Thompson's edge in Sedgwick has fallen with every election day precinct reporting. The election day vote is tied there, at best. And if RI says what's out in Sedgwick is more Republican-leaning than what's in, he would know. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:49:48 PM Hopefully Democrats see this and actually get involved in Georgia and Montana. We're tired of being cucked! They've been plenty involved in Georgia. Quist has a much better chance of winning in Montana than Thompson ever had here, and the DCCC starts a big push there he can definitely win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Angrie on April 11, 2017, 08:50:06 PM Thompson still has a substantial lead in Sedgwick. It's only over if that county narrows substantially. But the election day vote from Sedgwick that is in so far is a totally different story than the early vote. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 08:50:18 PM Am I missing something or is everyone missing the fact that Sedgewick appears to be largely out and Thompson is romping there? Even given the Democratic League of early voters, I'm not sure why there's so much pessimism among Democrats right now. Typical teenage angst. Also, I really think any Democrat not celebrating the fact that a massive swing in a solidly Republcian district happened three months after a Republican president took office needs to pull their head out of the clouds. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 08:50:29 PM Oh well, looks like I was wrong.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:50:36 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback. It was surprisingly competitive and the DNC pretty much ignored the race. This seat is needed for Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 08:50:43 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 334 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 31,346 48% L-Chris Rockhold 1,079 2% R-Ron Estes 32,319 50% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Skye on April 11, 2017, 08:50:56 PM The suspense was fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 08:51:00 PM Thompson still has a substantial lead in Sedgwick. It's only over if that county narrows substantially. But the election day vote from Sedgwick that is in so far is a totally different story than the early vote. Is Estes actually winning election day Sedgwick voters? a lot of credit has to go to James Thompson for running a fantastic campaign. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pessimistic Antineutrino on April 11, 2017, 08:51:34 PM Any guesses on the final margin? Guess Estes +16 was a miss :P
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 08:51:48 PM Any Democrats disappointed by a loss here should close there eyes for a second and take a breather. This result is fking amazing for Democrats. The kind of overperformance here is outstanding.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:52:03 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback. It was surprisingly competitive and the DNC pretty much ignored the race. This seat is needed for Democrats. It would've been nice to have but it's not needed. There are dozens upon dozens of districts that are more likely to flip than this one. Plus, many of you are highly overrating how much of a difference a few dollars from the DCCC would've made. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on April 11, 2017, 08:52:10 PM ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ THOMPSON TAKE MY ENERGY ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Axel Foley on April 11, 2017, 08:52:31 PM Well, if this has to be considered sort of a midterm preview...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Angrie on April 11, 2017, 08:52:37 PM The fact that it came so close shows that a bigger push (and more money, especially) could've made the difference. That's the lesson to take from this, and if the DCCC comes back tomorrow and says "well, the populist message failed here, let's keep focusing on suburban districts" then they'll continue to lose golden opportunities like this one. Except the parts of the district where Thompson seems to have done relatively well in are precisely the urban/suburban parts of the district, not the rural parts. Rural = ultra-safe Trump/GOP territory. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: exopolitician on April 11, 2017, 08:52:40 PM Any guesses on the final margin? Guess Estes +16 was a miss :P Estes by 2 or 3 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 08:53:11 PM Thompson almost certainly should run again in the real election in 2018.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 08:53:28 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback. It was surprisingly competitive and the DNC pretty much ignored the race. This seat is needed for Democrats. Why? The Republcians have a forty seat majority in the House so the immediate result of this race would be irrelevant to any parliamentary moves. They also had no need for the seat when they retook the House in 2006. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: AtorBoltox on April 11, 2017, 08:53:52 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:54:06 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback. It was surprisingly competitive and the DNC pretty much ignored the race. This seat is needed for Democrats. It would've been nice to have but it's not needed. There are dozens upon dozens of districts that are more likely to flip than this one. Plus, many of you are highly overrating how much of a difference a few dollars from the DCCC would've made. Not at all considering how close this was. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 08:54:14 PM My initial prediction of Estes +8 seemed kind of generous to Thompson. Now it looks like it'll be Estes +5 or 6. Anyway, Thompson did well, and GA-06 and MT were always more promising pick-up opportunities.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 08:54:23 PM Well thanks Democrats for blowing a shining opportunity. Lol you gotta be kidding me... this was not a shining opportunity. Let's not act like this is fertile territory for Democrats. The fact that this is even somewhat close is reflective of Trump but mostly Brownback. It was surprisingly competitive and the DNC pretty much ignored the race. This seat is needed for Democrats. It would've been nice to have but it's not needed. There are dozens upon dozens of districts that are more likely to flip than this one. Plus, many of you are highly overrating how much of a difference a few dollars from the DCCC would've made. The GOP won Ted Kennedys Senate Seat in 2010 with funding and resources. Saying that funding from the DNC would've been overrated is a poor claim. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:54:26 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional Possible, but not everywhere has a toxic GOP governor like Brownback. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: exopolitician on April 11, 2017, 08:55:15 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional I'd wait to see how GA 6 turns out Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: AtorBoltox on April 11, 2017, 08:55:19 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional Possible, but not everywhere has a toxic GOP governor like Brownback. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 08:55:36 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional Possible, but not everywhere has a toxic GOP governor like Brownback. But in 2018 everywhere will have a toxic GOP president Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 11, 2017, 08:55:50 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional Possible, but not everywhere has a toxic GOP governor like Brownback. I want to see what happens next Tuesday before making too many predictions Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 08:55:54 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional Possible, but not everywhere has a toxic GOP governor like Brownback. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vosem on April 11, 2017, 08:56:05 PM Not sure Thompson could do as well in a non-special election environment ("special elections are special"), but based off this performance he'd be a stellar gubernatorial or other statewide position contender for the Democrats. This district is more Republican than Kansas as a whole.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 08:56:26 PM i can't imagine how any gov could screw a state more than brownback and the party has suffered nearly no loss at all on any level.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:56:32 PM The fact that it came so close shows that a bigger push (and more money, especially) could've made the difference. That's the lesson to take from this, and if the DCCC comes back tomorrow and says "well, the populist message failed here, let's keep focusing on suburban districts" then they'll continue to lose golden opportunities like this one. Except the parts of the district where Thompson seems to have done relatively well in are precisely the urban/suburban parts of the district, not the rural parts. Rural = ultra-safe Trump/GOP territory. In plenty of other rural counties outside of Sedgwick, Thompson did better than Hillary in 2016. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 08:57:00 PM i can't imagine how any gov could screw a state more than brownback and the party has suffered nearly no loss at all on any level. It doesn't help when the opposition party doesn't know how to win elections. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:57:05 PM Butler is done
41 of 41 precincts reporting. Vote for 1 * indicates winning candidates. click here for detailed report * Ron Estes (REP) 62.78 % 6937 * * James A. Thompson (DEM) 35.32 % 3902 * Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Vosem on April 11, 2017, 08:57:13 PM Yeah, the Democrats are winning the house in 2018. Anyone who disputes that after a result like this is delusional This is like projecting that Clinton was doomed after 1994 or Obama after 2010. There'll be a different electorate and different issues. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on April 11, 2017, 08:57:34 PM Thompson has done better then he had any right too
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 11, 2017, 08:58:01 PM Twitter is having a hissy fit right now!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: MT Treasurer on April 11, 2017, 08:58:25 PM Ron Estes (Republican) 50.6% 37,547
James Thompson (Democratic) 47.6% 35,272 Chris Rockhold (Libertarian) 1.7% 1,272 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 08:59:04 PM Estes lead up to 2,300 votes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 08:59:06 PM The fact that it came so close shows that a bigger push (and more money, especially) could've made the difference. That's the lesson to take from this, and if the DCCC comes back tomorrow and says "well, the populist message failed here, let's keep focusing on suburban districts" then they'll continue to lose golden opportunities like this one. Except the parts of the district where Thompson seems to have done relatively well in are precisely the urban/suburban parts of the district, not the rural parts. Rural = ultra-safe Trump/GOP territory. In plenty of other rural counties outside of Sedgwick, Thompson did better than Hillary in 2016. Not an accomplishment at all lol... look at where did better than Davis in 2014 or Obama in 2012. When compared to those results, it's not all that impressive. The places where he looks to be doing much better is Wichita, which is more reason for optimism. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 08:59:42 PM Bleh, another Sedgwick dump....Thompson went down again.
This is over. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:00:23 PM to be totally fair, the GOP gets a boost from flying in a star like Cruz, a liberal guest would have been more of a local problem, i guess.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: LabourJersey on April 11, 2017, 09:01:15 PM i can't imagine how any gov could screw a state more than brownback and the party has suffered nearly no loss at all on any level. It doesn't help when the opposition party doesn't know how to win elections. The Democrats (and moderate Republicans) have won many seats in the KS legislature since 2014. I understand you have some very deep antagonisms with the Democratic party, but at least get the facts straight. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 09:01:50 PM Sedgwick seems like a pretty good barometer for how someone is going to do statewide - Trump won it by 20 and then won the state by 20. Brownback edged Davis by 2 in Sedgwick and won the state by 3. Thompson looks to be winning it by 5-7 once the numbers finally get down to it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 09:02:23 PM Quote Update: 4/11/2017 9:59PM Latest batch from Sedgwick not helping Estes any, now trailing by 3%, 2300 votes Goddamnit DDHQ get your names right >:( Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 11, 2017, 09:02:27 PM I think Thompson has nowhere to go but up from here to be honest. Most of all the rural counties are in. I wonder if the results will narrow back again.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Angrie on April 11, 2017, 09:03:35 PM Except the parts of the district where Thompson seems to have done relatively well in are precisely the urban/suburban parts of the district, not the rural parts. Rural = ultra-safe Trump/GOP territory. In plenty of other rural counties outside of Sedgwick, Thompson did better than Hillary in 2016. Yeah, but not by much as compared to the (apparent, since the vote is not all in yet) swings in Sedgwick. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: houseonaboat on April 11, 2017, 09:04:10 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: exopolitician on April 11, 2017, 09:04:26 PM I think Thompson has nowhere to go but up from here to be honest. Most of all the rural counties are in. I wonder if the results will narrow back again. Two rural counties out, and latest batch from Sedgwick helping Estes. I think this one is done. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:04:31 PM Estes up to a 4.2% lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 09:04:44 PM to be totally fair, the GOP gets a boost from flying in a star like Cruz, a liberal guest would have been more of a local problem, i guess. Sending in Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi wasn't going to cut it, obviously, but somebody like Bernie who won here in the primary might've flipped more votes. i can't imagine how any gov could screw a state more than brownback and the party has suffered nearly no loss at all on any level. That's not really the point, though. Tom Perez didn't even bother to invest in the race, and the Kansas Democratic Party only spent $3,000 on this race. They assumed they had absolutely no chance here when it's very clear by how close this was that they did. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 09:04:58 PM I think Thompson has nowhere to go but up from here to be honest. Most of all the rural counties are in. I wonder if the results will narrow back again. The Sedgwick County election day vote in so far is even (at best) for Thompson, so probably not. And there are still some other rurals out. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: jamestroll on April 11, 2017, 09:07:54 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3 ^^^ My prediction of a 10 point margin gap may be accurate but slightly GOP leaning. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 11, 2017, 09:08:05 PM This might not be close after all. We still should have won this by 20.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 09:08:10 PM I'm crossing my fingers the election-day vote in Sedgewick County is better for Thompson, but at this point it's highly unlikely
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:08:16 PM wonderful micro-cosmos-debate.
a district so republican that winning that way seems like losing and a problem for national repbulicans and still so republican, that even a massive double combo like brownback/trump couldn't turn it. guess everybody can be happy or sad atm. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:08:42 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3 ^^^ I don't think it's possible for Estes to win by 9%....there isn't enough left outside of Sedgwick and Sedgwick looks to be about even at best for Estes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:09:38 PM If KS-4 happened in a vacuum, fine. But on top of CA-34 last week. GA-6 looking close. Trump approval at 40. Generic ballot big Dem lead... https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/851979841620631554 Keep in mind, #KS04 is the 74th most GOP district in the U.S. out of 435, https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/851980050274680832 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 11, 2017, 09:10:30 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3 ^^^ I don't think it's possible for Estes to win by 9%....there isn't enough left outside of Sedgwick and Sedgwick looks to be about even at best for Estes. It's up to 5 right now Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 09:10:51 PM ()
() () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 09:11:43 PM DDHQ calls the race for Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:11:47 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3 ^^^ I don't think it's possible for Estes to win by 9%....there isn't enough left outside of Sedgwick and Sedgwick looks to be about even at best for Estes. It's up to 5 right now Well, if that happens then the hype was kinda overblown, but the GOP still under-performed. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 09:12:30 PM Will anybody be fired at the DNC this time?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:13:01 PM DDHQ calls the race for Estes. While DDHQ is pretty good for reporting results, they suck at calling races. In this case, they're almost certainly right, however. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:13:07 PM Well, if that happens then the hype was kinda overblown, it was not. the downfall is massive, even if you don't lose. this is important. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 09:13:44 PM Will anybody be fired at the DNC this time? Don't think so. They'll probably just double down on the Georgia race and write off Montana because it's "unwinnable". Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 09:13:55 PM Will anybody be fired at the DNC this time? Perez already fired a bunch of people a while ago. As more vote comes in, it's looking less like a nail-biter and more like a huge Republican underperformance. Save your pitchforks for something else. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mike Thick on April 11, 2017, 09:14:05 PM Estes pulling away now
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 09:14:12 PM United States House of Representatives 004
Precincts Reporting: 426 of 620 Candidate Votes % D-James A. Thompson 37,955 47% L-Chris Rockhold 1,396 2% R-Ron Estes 41,695 51% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 09:14:43 PM ew last batch was rough.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 09:15:10 PM ew last batch was rough. what is the current lead for estes? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:15:26 PM Even 6-point margin now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on April 11, 2017, 09:16:05 PM Kek's magic just isn't there tonight, fellas. Luján should take this and hang it on his wall.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 09:16:19 PM ew last batch was rough. what is the current lead for estes? 52.1-46.1% Estes Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 09:16:47 PM More likely that Estes wins by 9+ than he wins by <3 ^^^ I don't think it's possible for Estes to win by 9%....there isn't enough left outside of Sedgwick and Sedgwick looks to be about even at best for Estes. It's up to 5 right now Well, if that happens then the hype was kinda overblown, but the GOP still under-performed. Yeah, massively. Not notably. Massively. And not with an Akin-like candidate either. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 09:17:14 PM The Dem-Cheerleaders in this thread are forgetting how terrible a Candidate Estes is. He literally was sleepwalking through the entire campaign. He knew he had it in the bag and didn't even need to try. It looks like he was right too.
You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:18:07 PM The Dem-Cheerleaders in this thread are forgetting how terrible a Candidate Estes is. He literally was sleepwalking through the entire campaign. He knew he had it in the bag and didn't even need to try. It looks like he was right too. You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. Pawnee County is split between congressional districts. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: AtorBoltox on April 11, 2017, 09:18:11 PM The Dem-Cheerleaders in this thread are forgetting how terrible a Candidate Estes is. He literally was sleepwalking through the entire campaign. He knew he had it in the bag and didn't even need to try. It looks like he was right too. You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 09:18:21 PM The Dem-Cheerleaders in this thread are forgetting how terrible a Candidate Estes is. He literally was sleepwalking through the entire campaign. He knew he had it in the bag and didn't even need to try. It looks like he was right too. You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. He is the KS Secretary of State. Hardly an empty suit. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 11, 2017, 09:18:39 PM Looks like I was right on the money with a sub-10 win for Estes.
Still, this was a massive underperformance by the GOP. Estes should have been stomping all over this district by over a 20 point margin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 09:19:19 PM Harvey County flipped to Estes with 30/38 reporting. The only remaining question seems to be will Sedgwick County flip once all of the election day vote is recorded? It significantly tightened with the last batch.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 09:19:27 PM This is the closest margin that an election for Congress or for President has been since 1996 in this district. Five months after the Republicans swept the general elections.
How could anyone possibly complain about that? Like seriously, why do you think the road to a majority passes through Wichita? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 09:19:32 PM The Dem-Cheerleaders in this thread are forgetting how terrible a Candidate Estes is. He literally was sleepwalking through the entire campaign. He knew he had it in the bag and didn't even need to try. It looks like he was right too. You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. He is the KS Secretary of State. Hardly an empty suit. No he isn't. He's the State Treasurer. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:19:42 PM 6.5 point lead now with 74% in. Probably expands to about 9 points or so.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 09:19:57 PM You also have to remember that this is a special election. A lot of people probably don't even know that there is an election. According to the SOS numbers right now, 62 people voted in Pawnee County? 62. That county was 1,904 for Trump 579 for Clinton. And 62 people voted today. Only a small portion of Pawnee County is in KS-4. And the GOP historically has demonstrated a much higher propensity of voting in special elections relative to their actual numbers. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: White Trash on April 11, 2017, 09:20:17 PM http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas-house-special-election-district-4
Harvey flips to GOP. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 09:20:28 PM eh what can ya do. R+15
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: krazen1211 on April 11, 2017, 09:20:36 PM Winning is fun. Estes in the lead!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 09:21:42 PM Well, KS-3 should be fun in 2018. :)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Gass3268 on April 11, 2017, 09:22:13 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 09:22:40 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ebsy on April 11, 2017, 09:22:57 PM Well, KS-3 should be fun in 2018. :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: AtorBoltox on April 11, 2017, 09:24:31 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 09:24:49 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! Um, yes, a +27 Trump seat going by single digits to an underfunded political neophyte kinda ain't spin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 11, 2017, 09:26:24 PM Well, KS-3 should be fun in 2018. :) I'm still dubious they could pull off a win in KS-02, but under a hypothetical special like this one with a Brownback tainted candidate and sub-par Trump approvals and a strong Dem candidate, I wouldn't be surprised if they could knock it to within a 3% margin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:26:28 PM Have the results just really slowed down in the last 10 minutes or so?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 09:26:35 PM U.S. House - District 4 - Special General
South Central 481 of 620 Precincts Reporting - 78% Name Party Votes Vote % Estes, Ron GOP 46,176 52% Thompson, James Dem 40,305 46% Rockhold, Chris Lib 1,534 2% All but 9 precincts of the remaining vote are in Sedgwick, so maybe not completely over. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 09:27:20 PM The SOS is on hold, but AP is still updating.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 09:28:33 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! Well, to be fair, if there were a special election in a district like IL-09, and the Democrat only won by 5, I'm pretty sure Republicans would consider that a symbolic victory. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: DrScholl on April 11, 2017, 09:28:48 PM There is no way to pretend that this isn't a bad result for Republicans. If they only barely win a 60-33 Trump district, then how on earth can they hold GA-6 which is +1 Trump. This is a huge warning of disastrous midterm.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 11, 2017, 09:28:58 PM The idea that the Dem even had a shot here should scare this crap out of the GOP... and yet some blue avatars here are gloating. If the Dems had won this race, then they would have been in line to take like 360 seats in 2018.
And no, the DCCC/DNC made no major errors here... Nationalizing this race could have HURT Thompson. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: jamestroll on April 11, 2017, 09:30:45 PM There is no way to pretend that this isn't a bad result for Republicans. If they only barely win a 60-33 Trump district, then how on earth can they hold GA-6 which is +1 Trump. This is a huge warning of disastrous midterm. Well to be fair all races have different circumstances and I do not really believe in uniform swings. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 09:31:11 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! Well, to be fair, if there were a special election in a district like IL-09, and the Democrat only won by 5, I'm pretty sure Republicans would consider that a symbolic victory. As they very well should. It would be a clear sign that some serious sh**t was going on. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: bedstuy on April 11, 2017, 09:31:16 PM Great result for Democrats!!!
LAVENOUS!!! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: VPH on April 11, 2017, 09:31:33 PM Bummed out because it was *so close* but this really is incredible.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 09:31:57 PM Given the trend in Sedgwick (only Thompson+7 now), and the Estes win in Harvey (all in now), I am ready to call this.
U.S. House - District 4 - Special General South Central 513 of 620 Precincts Reporting - 83% Name Party Votes Vote % Estes, Ron GOP 50,066 52% WINNER Thompson, James Dem 44,006 46% Rockhold, Chris Lib 1,655 2% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on April 11, 2017, 09:32:06 PM FOX (Jackie Ibanez) seems to think this is a Senate race, saying "Senator Pompeo" and calling it a Senate race.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:32:38 PM only the trolls are gloating, whoever knows anything about this stuff is quite serious.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 09:34:08 PM only the trolls are gloating, whoever knows anything about this stuff is quite serious. Special elections are special. Turnout was by all accounts abysmal. Also, what is happening in kansas is NOT happening in other states. The state is in the midst of a finance crisis, with the guy running today directly tied to it. All politics is local. Remember kansas during the 2014 national gop wave? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mike Thick on April 11, 2017, 09:34:16 PM I'm no Trumpite, but as someone earlier said, Thompson localized the race and tried to turn it into a referendum on Brownback. Because of this, and Estes's virtually nonexistent campaign, this is probably not a great barometer for the political climate.
I think GA-06 will be a much better indicator of the national mood. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: DrScholl on April 11, 2017, 09:34:47 PM There is no way to pretend that this isn't a bad result for Republicans. If they only barely win a 60-33 Trump district, then how on earth can they hold GA-6 which is +1 Trump. This is a huge warning of disastrous midterm. Well to be fair all races have different circumstances and I do not really believe in uniform swings. Fair to who? I wasn't being unfair to anyone, I was merely pointing out that Republicans have a major problem. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 11, 2017, 09:35:50 PM It's pretty remarkable that the circular firing squad in #KS04 tonight is being convened by the party that over performed by 20 points https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/851982885292830722 @Ted Bessell: Sure but if estes's campaign is non-existent, so is the national support of the DNC, while the RNC used the big guns in the last days. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: DrScholl on April 11, 2017, 09:36:24 PM only the trolls are gloating, whoever knows anything about this stuff is quite serious. Special elections are special. Turnout was by all accounts abysmal. Also, what is happening in kansas is NOT happening in other states. The state is in the midst of a finance crisis, with the guy running today directly tied to it. All politics is local. Remember kansas during the 2014 national gop wave? The "all politics is local" logic is dead and gone when it comes to federal races. This race would not have been close under a Democratic administration. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 09:36:52 PM Just to put it into perspective, let's look at all of the House districts where the 2016 Democratic vote was greater than the 2014 GOP vote. There are approximately 75 GOP-held districts that would flip in a scenario where you have presidential Dem turnout versus GOP midterm turnout:
() And KS-04 isn't even one of them. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 09:38:26 PM Well Thompson has a base here now. He can run statewide if he wants, or actually campaign here over the next year and a half and hope for better results. A Democrats might even provide coattails if they're winning the governor's race. Maybe.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 09:39:55 PM Well Estes' margin just narrowed to 5.7% with 88% reporting. Appears the Election Day vote in Sedgwick was decisively more Democratic than the ED vote elsewhere.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on April 11, 2017, 09:40:34 PM A pretty good performance factoring in how bad the turnout is.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mike Thick on April 11, 2017, 09:41:15 PM It's pretty remarkable that the circular firing squad in #KS04 tonight is being convened by the party that over performed by 20 points https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/851982885292830722 @Ted Bessell: Sure but if estes's campaign is non-existent, so is the national support of the DNC, while the RNC used the big guns in the last days. I suppose, but the absence of a strong Democratic campaign isn't as much of a departure from the norm as the absence of a strong Republican one. My point is that there are circumstances other than Trump leading to Estes's underperformance. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:41:34 PM Thompson just went up 0.3%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 09:42:04 PM Well Estes' margin just narrowed to 5.7% with 88% reporting. Appears the Election Day vote in Sedgwick was decisively more Democratic than the ED vote elsewhere. Percentage lead has dropped a bit, but raw vote lead hasn't really. Consistent with an ED split in Sedgwick. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 09:43:35 PM All things considered, this was a pretty good result for the blue team. It's not necessarily indicative of anything by itself, though. If, however, Democrats win GA-06 and MT-AL (or win one and come very close in the other), then you could probably make the argument that this is part of a larger pattern, and that there's a massive anti-Trump backlash brewing.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 09:44:43 PM All things considered, this was a pretty good result for the blue team. It's not necessarily indicative of anything by itself, though. If, however, Democrats win GA-06 and MT-AL (or win one and come very close in the other), then you could probably make the argument that this is part of a larger pattern, and that there's a massive anti-Trump backlash brewing. The issue, of course, is that even ni 2014 kansas was embarrassingly close for the republicans. The bigger issue, also, is that a lot can happen till 2018, especially with all these war drums. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 09:45:59 PM only the trolls are gloating, whoever knows anything about this stuff is quite serious. Special elections are special. Turnout was by all accounts abysmal. Also, what is happening in kansas is NOT happening in other states. The state is in the midst of a finance crisis, with the guy running today directly tied to it. All politics is local. Remember kansas during the 2014 national gop wave? Everyone says this when their side got shorted. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 09:46:49 PM AP calls the race for Estes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 09:49:05 PM ✓ Estes (R) - 57,954 - 52.0%
Thompson (D) - 51,494 - 46.2% Rockhold (L) 1,911 - 1.7% 94% reporting (580 of 620 precincts) What a pathetic showing by the Libertarian. I expected them to peel off more disaffected Republicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 09:49:34 PM ✓ Estes (R) - 57,954 - 52.0% Thompson (D) - 51,494 - 46.2% Rockhold (L) 1,911 - 1.7% 94% reporting (580 of 620 precincts) What a pathetic showing by the Libertarian. I expected them to peel off more disaffected Republicans. Disaffected Republicans just end up not voting in these types of elections. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Dr. Arch on April 11, 2017, 09:50:02 PM ✓ Estes (R) - 57,954 - 52.0% Thompson (D) - 51,494 - 46.2% Rockhold (L) 1,911 - 1.7% 94% reporting (580 of 620 precincts) What a pathetic showing by the Libertarian. I expected them to peel off more disaffected Republicans. Disaffected Republicans just end up not voting in these types of elections. So about +6 in the end. Amazing. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 11, 2017, 09:50:37 PM FWIW, Pompeo never won by less than 30 points. Estes looks likely to win by no more than 6. That's a 12 point swing... more than enough to flip the House.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 09:50:54 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 09:53:33 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. A Trump will win it again by 30 points. Estes isn't Trump. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 09:53:51 PM Do people forget kansas 2014?
This state should not be considered any sort of microcosm. GA-6 far more interesting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:53:54 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! If the GOP actually lost this race...they're the ones that would need a LOT of spin spin spin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 09:54:24 PM ✓ Estes (R) - 57,954 - 52.0% Thompson (D) - 51,494 - 46.2% Rockhold (L) 1,911 - 1.7% 94% reporting (580 of 620 precincts) What a pathetic showing by the Libertarian. I expected them to peel off more disaffected Republicans. Disaffected Republicans just end up not voting in these types of elections. Well, the Libertarian candidates got >4% in both the Senate and Gubernatorial races here in 2014. Alas, turnout was pretty bad in this race, so you're probably right. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 11, 2017, 09:55:00 PM Could someone construct a swing map of the counties?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: JMT on April 11, 2017, 09:55:08 PM Wow, will Estes won this obviously should not have been this close. Does this set up Thomson to run against Estes again in 2018? Or for a different office? I imagine Dems will think highly of Thompson after this
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 09:55:46 PM Think of it this way - this is like if Republicans gave Democrats a run for their money in Maryland's 8th district, currently represented by Flawless Beautiful Curly Haired Jaime Raskin.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 11, 2017, 09:56:15 PM Sad to see so many people on Twitter just seeing this as "DNC screws up another race"
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Kantakouzenos on April 11, 2017, 09:57:00 PM Seeing as the Dems did quite well in this race, could this be indicative of what happens in Georgia and Montana coming up? I know these elections can be pretty local, but this certainly isn't the first special election dems have done better in so far.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 09:57:03 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS.
Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 09:57:44 PM Think of it this way - this is like if Republicans gave Democrats a run for their money in Maryland's 8th district, currently represented by Flawless Beautiful Curly Haired Jaime Raskin. If maryland currently had a historic budget deficit that forced closures at schools and credit ratings to get heavily downgraded, while also having anemic economic growth, a very liberal republican could end up doing decent against someone directly tied to the mess. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Xing on April 11, 2017, 09:58:51 PM All things considered, this was a pretty good result for the blue team. It's not necessarily indicative of anything by itself, though. If, however, Democrats win GA-06 and MT-AL (or win one and come very close in the other), then you could probably make the argument that this is part of a larger pattern, and that there's a massive anti-Trump backlash brewing. The issue, of course, is that even ni 2014 kansas was embarrassingly close for the republicans. The bigger issue, also, is that a lot can happen till 2018, especially with all these war drums. That's why I said that we should wait for GA-06 and MT-AL to determine if there's a larger trend here, or if it's just a matter of Brownback's unpopularity. Btw, am I crazy for thinking that Democrats have a shot at the gubernatorial race here in 2018? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Nyvin on April 11, 2017, 09:59:07 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS. Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." Uhh...no they didn't. National Democrats didn't invest in this election at all. KS Dems did a small amount but not "millions" The RCCC did invest millions in this race. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Maxwell on April 11, 2017, 10:00:01 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS. Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." now you're just lying. you're confusing this with GA-06. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 10:00:41 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. A Trump will win it again by 30 points. Estes isn't Trump. Yes, Trump is by every measure a far, far worse candidate. Blaming this on Estes is profoundly obtuse. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 10:01:25 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally.
U. S. Representative 4th District 4th District James A. Thompson ...... 37472 / 49% Chris Rockhold ...... 1240 / 1% Ron Estes ...... 37058 / 48% WRITE-IN ...... 60 / 0% What was the early vote number? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 10:01:39 PM Btw, am I crazy for thinking that Democrats have a shot at the gubernatorial race here in 2018? Probably not, and I would like to see Thompson run for that race as well. KS-04 was 6 points to the right of the state as a whole in 2016, and it looks like that's about the margin he's gonna lose by. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: NeederNodder on April 11, 2017, 10:02:17 PM It's so gut wrenching to see all these bug Democrats have a say on this race when they cared little about actually wanting to win it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 10:02:36 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS. Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." For reasons pointed out by other posters, you've crossed the line from being a hack to an outright idiot. Quit posting. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Matty on April 11, 2017, 10:02:59 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. what is that % wise? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: henster on April 11, 2017, 10:03:05 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 10:03:42 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. Jeez. So my prediction about ED vote being overwhelmingly GOP was right? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 10:07:03 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. what is that % wise? .546 points. 49.42%-48.87% (including write-ins). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 10:07:09 PM Do people forget kansas 2014? This state should not be considered any sort of microcosm. GA-6 far more interesting. Republicans better hope Trump doesn't do to the country what Brownback did to Kansas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:07:11 PM Could someone construct a swing map of the counties? () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Coolface Sock #42069 on April 11, 2017, 10:10:16 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 10:10:48 PM Estes just padded his lead by a lot:
✓ Estes (R) - 60,945 - 53.3% Thompson (D) - 51,467 - 45.0% (how did his vote total go down???) Rockhold (L) 1,971 - 1.7% 99% reporting (619 of 620 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:10:53 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. Jeez. So my prediction about ED vote being overwhelmingly GOP was right? It appears that about one-third of Sedgwick's vote was EV; two-thirds ED. IIRC, Thompson won EV by about 22 points, so this would mean Estes won ED by about 10. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 10:13:11 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. Jeez. So my prediction about ED vote being overwhelmingly GOP was right? It appears that about one-third of Sedgwick's vote was EV; two-thirds ED. IIRC, Thompson won EV by about 22 points, so this would mean Estes won ED by about 10. Yes. The Sedgwick County early vote was about 61-39 Thompson. The Sedgwick County election day vote was about 55-45 Estes (ignoring third parties and write-ins). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 10:13:55 PM U.S. House - District 4 - Special General
South Central 619 of 620 Precincts Reporting - 99% Name Party Votes Vote % Estes, Ron GOP 60,945 53% Thompson, James Dem 51,467 45% Rockhold, Chris Lib 1,971 2% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pandaguineapig on April 11, 2017, 10:14:17 PM Surprised how high turnout was for this election, almost half of the presidential election vote
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 10:14:29 PM Not sure why people even bother caring about the early vote at this point.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:17:35 PM Estes ends up losing Sedgwick County by just 414 votes in the final unofficial tally. Jeez. So my prediction about ED vote being overwhelmingly GOP was right? It appears that about one-third of Sedgwick's vote was EV; two-thirds ED. IIRC, Thompson won EV by about 22 points, so this would mean Estes won ED by about 10. Yes. The Sedgwick County early vote was about 61-39 Thompson. The Sedgwick County election day vote was about 55-45 Estes (ignoring third parties and write-ins). To add to my original post and in regard to badger's characterization (and of course it is relative), I wouldn't consider winning ED votes in Sedgwick by 10 to be "overwhelming", necessarily. Trump carried the county overall by 18. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 10:18:48 PM So Jenkins next door is retiring in 2018...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Shadows on April 11, 2017, 10:19:37 PM Not fair to draw a national picture but Dems didn't fight this race hard, the DSCC barely helped & they didn't even pour big money. Republicans definitely tried with Trump, Cruz, Pence, Ryan & poured money too.
Anyways special elections are weird but turnout was decent & performance is very encouraging. In 2014, Dems won 69K odd of 208K votes & this time it's 51K out of 113K, even with bigger turnout of their base, surely they would have gone well past the 69K mark with a 208K turnout. Dems did make solid ground despite Republicans pushing hard in this seat, don't know that can even be denied. And Thompson ran as an unabashed liberal progressive berniecrat. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Pandaguineapig on April 11, 2017, 10:20:23 PM Not sure why people even bother caring about the early vote at this point. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: The Other Castro on April 11, 2017, 10:31:39 PM Thompson just announced he's running for KS-4 in 2018. Lol.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 11, 2017, 10:33:39 PM Thompson just announced he's running for KS-4 in 2018. Lol. Winner's attitude Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 10:35:14 PM Sedgwick apparently had more votes to report - I'm not sure from where. Thompson now wins the county by 1,874 votes, or 2.3 points:
U. S. Representative 4th District 4th District James A. Thompson ...... 41293 / 50% Chris Rockhold ...... 1347 / 1% Ron Estes ...... 39419 / 47% WRITE-IN ...... 79 / 0% That puts the overall margin back to around 6.8 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 10:35:44 PM Thompson just announced he's running for KS-4 in 2018. Lol. Well like I said, he has a base now. He needs to visit and campaign in the rural areas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 10:35:57 PM FINAL:
U.S. House - District 4 - Special General South Central 620 of 620 Precincts Reporting - 100% Name Party Votes Vote % Estes, Ron GOP 63,505 53% Thompson, James Dem 55,310 46% Rockhold, Chris Lib 2,082 2% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: KingSweden on April 11, 2017, 10:36:53 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Absolutely. This more than abortion is what has slammed them in rural areas Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:40:21 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Absolutely. This more than abortion is what has slammed them in rural areas I can tell you that in my rural area, abortion is cited as the #1 reason why people don't vote for Democrats...but most of that attitude comes from ardent Republicans. When you start asking about which issue matters most to those who can or do actually sway, it's definitely guns. It wouldn't hurt us at all to run as the "pro-abortion" party here, but if you run as the "anti-gun" party, you can lose a substantial chunk of even your otherwise loyal Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 10:41:06 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. A Trump will win it again by 30 points. Estes isn't Trump. Yes, Trump is by every measure a far, far worse candidate. Blaming this on Estes is profoundly obtuse. So you so admit Trump won by 30, but then Trump is a worse candidate? The same candidate that ground your Hillary! goddess into paste? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 10:41:23 PM Thompson just announced he's running for KS-4 in 2018. Lol. Hopefully next time the DNC give him more than $0. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 10:41:43 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS. Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." For reasons pointed out by other posters, you've crossed the line from being a hack to an outright idiot. Quit posting. No. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Barnes on April 11, 2017, 10:41:57 PM Thompson just announced he's running for KS-4 in 2018. Lol. Whitby-Oshawa by-election, 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitby%E2%80%94Oshawa?wprov=sfsi1) I knew this race reminded me of another by-election... Liberal candidate gets an enormous swing in a solidly Conservative riding but loses by nine points and then goes on to win the (redistributed) riding a year later. Of course the difference is that the Grits understood that this was a fantastic result for them. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:44:07 PM Democrats poured MILLIONS into this seat. MILLIONS. Republicans didn't. Estes sleepwalked through the campaign. "Estes was a particularly weak candidate. As a member of Gov. Sam Brownback’s administration, he scored a 2 of 10 score on candidate strength." For reasons pointed out by other posters, you've crossed the line from being a hack to an outright idiot. Quit posting. No. Somebody lacks reading comprehension. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2017/04/flurry-of-spending-in-kansas-4th/ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Beet on April 11, 2017, 10:44:50 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Absolutely. This more than abortion is what has slammed them in rural areas I can tell you that in my rural area, abortion is cited as the #1 reason why people don't vote for Democrats...but most of that attitude comes from ardent Republicans. When you start asking about which issue matters most to those who can or do actually sway, it's definitely guns. It wouldn't hurt us at all to run as the "pro-abortion" party here, but if you run as the "anti-gun" party, you can lose a substantial chunk of even your otherwise loyal Democrats. We're not pro-abortion, nor should we run as it, even if it doesn't hurt. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:46:36 PM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Absolutely. This more than abortion is what has slammed them in rural areas I can tell you that in my rural area, abortion is cited as the #1 reason why people don't vote for Democrats...but most of that attitude comes from ardent Republicans. When you start asking about which issue matters most to those who can or do actually sway, it's definitely guns. It wouldn't hurt us at all to run as the "pro-abortion" party here, but if you run as the "anti-gun" party, you can lose a substantial chunk of even your otherwise loyal Democrats. We're not pro-abortion, nor should we run as it, even if it doesn't hurt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_retentiveness Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Shadows on April 11, 2017, 10:48:14 PM HRC btw was the most anti-gun major nominee in a long while. In the Michigan debate vs Sanders, she said that gun manufacturers & sellers should be held liable even if some random dude commits an act of violence while Sanders was arguing they should be held liable if they knowingly sold guns to the wrong people or en mass etc. That would have ended gun manufacturing in a way - HRC's stance was beyond extreme just to prove Sanders' isn't a perfect progressive.
That did cost her in rural areas in the GE. I am also disappointed the that the DNC & DSCC atleast didn't send more money & helped in the ground game considering how hard Republicans tried. You have to atleast try than give up everywhere ! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it. on April 11, 2017, 10:49:03 PM Some are saying that Estes' narrow win spells doom for the GOP Next year...either way it's going to be one close and exciting mid term election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 10:49:29 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. A Trump will win it again by 30 points. Estes isn't Trump. Yes, Trump is by every measure a far, far worse candidate. Blaming this on Estes is profoundly obtuse. So you so admit Trump won by 30, but then Trump is a worse candidate? The same candidate that ground your Hillary! goddess into paste? First off, a******, please note the blue Avatar. I realize perfectly well unlike you that Trump is a POS, but I hardly means I have an ounce of love for Hillary. Secondly, a little reality check for you which you consistently seem to be in need of. Hillary slammed Trump by over 3 million votes. He is present only because of that b******* anachronism called The Electoral College. So again, kindly get a clue before you spout off. Thirdly, yes Trump is a horrible can it. He's the only candidate that could have possibly lost to Hillary, and actually did in terms of, you know, actual number of votes. Add to the fact that his entire presidency for the last few months has been nothing but a unmitigated dumpster fire comma he is Forsworn a lot of his blue collar support by running basically is a billionaire on economic policy comma and yes he is a sh**tbird candidate. Didn't I tell you to stop posting? Stop posting. Your posts are bad and you should feel bad. Come back once you reach your mid teens Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on April 11, 2017, 10:49:42 PM Well, my ignore list got a new friend today.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Badger on April 11, 2017, 10:51:51 PM Well, my ignore list got a new friend today. Good idea. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 10:57:56 PM Is there anywhere that has precinct-by-precinct results yet?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Thomas Jackson on April 11, 2017, 11:00:01 PM What an embarrassing result for Republicans. Spin, spin, spin.... LOL! what spin? this is a district Trump won by nearly 30. wow you guys averted complete disaster in a district you had no business losing. great job. A Trump will win it again by 30 points. Estes isn't Trump. Yes, Trump is by every measure a far, far worse candidate. Blaming this on Estes is profoundly obtuse. So you so admit Trump won by 30, but then Trump is a worse candidate? The same candidate that ground your Hillary! goddess into paste? First off, a******, please note the blue Avatar. I realize perfectly well unlike you that Trump is a POS, but I hardly means I have an ounce of love for Hillary. Secondly, a little reality check for you which you consistently seem to be in need of. Hillary slammed Trump by over 3 million votes. He is present only because of that b******* anachronism called The Electoral College. So again, kindly get a clue before you spout off. Thirdly, yes Trump is a horrible can it. He's the only candidate that could have possibly lost to Hillary, and actually did in terms of, you know, actual number of votes. Add to the fact that his entire presidency for the last few months has been nothing but a unmitigated dumpster fire comma he is Forsworn a lot of his blue collar support by running basically is a billionaire on economic policy comma and yes he is a sh**tbird candidate. Didn't I tell you to stop posting? Stop posting. Your posts are bad and you should feel bad. Come back once you reach your mid teens 1. Your blue avatar is fake. You are a diehard leftist. 2. Your Hillary! goddess was destroyed. Trump is your president, like it or not. 3. The electoral college is all that matters. You can stamp your feet and try to intimidate all you like. I find it hilarious. I don't care what you "tell me" to do. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 11:00:45 PM 1. Your blue avatar is fake. You are a diehard leftist. 2. Your Hillary! goddess was destroyed. Trump is your president, like it or not. 3. The electoral college is all that matters. You can stamp your feet and try to intimidate all you like. I find it hilarious. I don't care what you "tell me" to do. I'm reading all of this in a whiny nerd voice. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Ronnie on April 11, 2017, 11:01:26 PM A nineteen point swing in just over five months? Not bad, I say.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: heatcharger on April 11, 2017, 11:06:35 PM I might be misremembering but didn't Berniecrats "take over" the KS Democratic Party a while ago?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 11, 2017, 11:09:30 PM I might be misremembering but didn't Berniecrats "take over" the KS Democratic Party a while ago? Nope. You might be thinking of either Wyoming or California. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: publicunofficial on April 11, 2017, 11:13:06 PM Thompson: "We've sent a message that no Republican district is safe."
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 11:20:32 PM Well, the lead was fun while it lasted. Updating OP with next week's stuff.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: RI on April 11, 2017, 11:26:02 PM Is there anywhere that has precinct-by-precinct results yet? Here's Sedgwick, anyway: 2017 () 2016 President () Swing () Turnout as Percent of 2016 President () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: cinyc on April 11, 2017, 11:27:47 PM Is there anywhere that has precinct-by-precinct results yet? If you go to the Kansas SoS link (http://www.sos.ks.gov/ent/kssos_ent.html) and click on the counties on the map, there is a link to the various county websites at the top of the page. Some of the counties have released precinct results. Segwick has (http://www.sedgwickcounty.org/elections/election_results/SpecGen17/index.html). Edited to add: Butler County precinct results (http://maps.bucoks.com/elections/public/detailsG06.php?contestid=103&election=38) Harvey County precinct results (Excel File) (http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/KS/Harvey/67626/185802/reports/detailxls.zip) The other counties don't seem to have them up yet. Those counties are all pretty small, too. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Associate Justice PiT on April 11, 2017, 11:37:58 PM Thompson: "We've sent a message that no Republican district is safe." If this persuades Democrats to waste money in districts they will never win, I can't complain. ;) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Devout Centrist on April 11, 2017, 11:38:31 PM I kinda doubt Dems will take Ga-06.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 11, 2017, 11:38:38 PM Is there anywhere that has precinct-by-precinct results yet? Here's Sedgwick, anyway: 2017 () 2016 President () Swing () Turnout as Percent of 2016 President () At least the republican-swinging precincts give me something to blame for Thompson's loss. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 11, 2017, 11:43:22 PM Is there anywhere that has precinct-by-precinct results yet? Here's Sedgwick, anyway: 2017 () 2016 President () Swing () Turnout as Percent of 2016 President () OK, cool. Yeah, I was thinking about doing a swing map for the CD but it looks like you're already ahead of me. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Holmes on April 11, 2017, 11:49:58 PM Thompson: "We've sent a message that no Republican district is safe." If this persuades Democrats to waste money in districts they will never win, I can't complain. ;) On the flip side, Republicans were the ones spending hundreds of thousands of dollars here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: smoltchanov on April 12, 2017, 12:41:48 AM Obviously - very good result for Democrats, giving them hope in Georgia. Especially because Democratic candidate was an unapologetic Berniecrat. Democrat managed to flip Sedgwick county first time in many years, and ran decent in suburbs, while being crushed in more rural areas (lightly populated), as usual in last years. May be Democrat with more appeal in these areas could do even better, but still very good result for them..
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Tender Branson on April 12, 2017, 01:03:21 AM Hmm, this ended up a lot closer than I thought for some reason.
Probably need to rethink my GA-06 prediction later on ... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Klartext89 on April 12, 2017, 01:32:54 AM I thought about writing that I think it will end 53-45-2 for Estes yesterday, but I was a bit worried because special elections are different. You have low turnout and the opposition party is usually much more enthusiastic and excited about flipping the seat than the defending party is. So I'm really pleased with the result and can only smile about the Dems thinking that this will tell anything about 2018.
The only county Thompson could win was Sedgwick (Wichita) and it was close there. Like always, the Dems got crushed so badly in the suburbs and the rural areas. If you compare the result to the 2016 Presidential Elections and the 2014 Senatorial Elections, you see that Estes is underperforming Trump heavily in Sedgwick and mostly around 5-7 points in the rest of the District because it's a special election with an energized Dem base and a reluctant GOP base. Also you have to note that Thompson was a way better candidate than Hillary Clinton and the District only went 54-41 for Senator Roberts against Greg Orman - and I'm sure even smaller for Govenor Brownback who is very unpopular. Nevertheless, he isn't underperforming Roberts anywhere except Sedgwick what is quite remarkable. Barber: 76% to 83% for Trump (70% for Roberts in 2014) Butler: 62% to 69% (60%) Chautauqua: 81% to 83% (76%) Comanche: 74% to 82% (71%) Cowley: 56% to 66% (54%) Edwards: 78% to 79% (70%) Elk: 78% to 83% (63%) Greenwood: 73% to 76% (64%) Harper: 72% to 78% (67%) Harvey: 53% to 59% (53%) Kingman: 71% to 76% (65%) Kiowa: 80% to 84% (77%) Pawnee: 71% to 79% (71%) Pratt: 64% to 74% (63%) Sedgwick: 48% to 56% (51%) Stafford: 72% to 79% (68%) Sumner: 62% to 72% (58%) https://twitter.com/greggiroux/status/851758257064607746 http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/KS_US_House_0411.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS Well, I'm satisfied. Given the early hopes (which got crushed so badly) of the Dems on Twitter a few hours ago and meltdown afterwards, the GOP Needs to throw everything into GA6, I want to have a lot more to laugh about ^^ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: smoltchanov on April 12, 2017, 02:00:57 AM ^ Yes and No.
Yes: 1. Specials have their own dynamics. They are, usually, "activists driven": it's, mostly, activists, who vote, turnout is low, and, usually, opposition party activists are much more organized and energized then those, supporting "powers that be". 2. Estes was rather mediocre candidate, and had not one, but two albatrosses around his neck: Trump and Brownback No: 1. Nevertheless, there were no scandals about Estes, Democratic candidate wasn't "a moderate with broad crossover appeal", but commited Berniecrat, and he still managed to shave 20+ % from "typical Republican advantage" of late in this district: 7% instead of 27 (Trump) and 31 (Pompeo) in November. And this is NOT a "high-income, highly educated suburban district", like those that heavily swung to Clinton in 2016. Rather vice versa. (BTW - Roberts was unpopular too, so his percentages can't be considered a "norm" for this district) 2. Democrat won one county only, but it is the biggest county by far, while rural Republican counties have very few people. Somewhat better result in suburban counties (and it's there, where Democrats make gains of late), slightly better candidate, and it would be not simply good (as is this time), but, at least, extremely close. Georgia will show. There we have s purely suburban highly educated district, no Brownback (though Trump is still there), slightly less (IMHO) socially conservative tradition, and energetic, well funded (but rather inexperienced and somewhat "too left" for this district) Democratic candidate. It may be more "of trend" then KS-04. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Classic Conservative on April 12, 2017, 05:36:38 AM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: TheSaint250 on April 12, 2017, 08:05:31 AM I thought there would be much more media coverage on how this was too close for a safe district and people saying the House is now a tossup.
Also, what was the percent turnout compared to 2016's presidential? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 12, 2017, 09:20:02 AM In #KS04, the Dem vote was 68% of their vote in the district last year. The GOP vote was just 38% of last year’s total. Good enough to win. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/852162872528338945 Great win in Kansas last night for Ron Estes, easily winning the Congressional race against the Dems, who spent heavily & predicted victory! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/852138509355933697 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on April 12, 2017, 09:25:35 AM In #KS04, the Dem vote was 68% of their vote in the district last year. The GOP vote was just 38% of last year’s total. Good enough to win. https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/852162872528338945 Great win in Kansas last night for Ron Estes, easily winning the Congressional race against the Dems, who spent heavily & predicted victory! https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/852138509355933697 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/11: KS-4) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on April 12, 2017, 09:47:20 AM Should Ds reconsider messaging on guns? Both Kander & Thompson featured guns in their ads and seemed to really break thru in rural areas even if its a small difference. I'd be willing to see more pro-gun Democrats if they ran economically populist campaigns like Thompson. I think that's the reason it came so close; Brownback's fiscal conservatism has been a disaster in Kansas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 12, 2017, 10:28:07 AM the gun thingie is dead in the US anyway, so especially rural dems should be allowed to bury it for good and national dems only use it if it can be used to DO something and not only talking about it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Stranger in a strange land on April 12, 2017, 10:40:42 AM the gun thingie is dead in the US anyway, so especially rural dems should be allowed to bury it for good and national dems only use it if it can be used to DO something and not only talking about it. Or better yet just drop the issue entirely. When was the last time you heard about school uniforms, v-chips, or videogame violence discussed as major, national political issues? Hell, Republicans basically did this with gay issues in 2014-2016 and it seems to have helped them. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 12, 2017, 11:26:16 AM the gun thingie is dead in the US anyway, so especially rural dems should be allowed to bury it for good and national dems only use it if it can be used to DO something and not only talking about it. Or better yet just drop the issue entirely. When was the last time you heard about school uniforms, v-chips, or videogame violence discussed as major, national political issues? Hell, Republicans basically did this with gay issues in 2014-2016 and it seems to have helped them. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 12, 2017, 11:27:28 AM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142.
Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 12, 2017, 12:07:52 PM While national Dems can't be NRA shills and keep the base, they definitely should come out as supporters of the Heller Decision and quit supporting the magazine limits and assault weapons stuff. Don't just drop the issue, actually say your position has changed. And on Background checks and the like, show your support for it regularly, not just when there's been a crisis and you can find 50 crying parents on every corner to attend your big speech.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Holmes on April 12, 2017, 12:11:25 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 12, 2017, 12:45:38 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please I'll throw that in the to do list. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 12, 2017, 12:48:29 PM While national Dems can't be NRA shills and keep the base, they definitely should come out as supporters of the Heller Decision and quit supporting the magazine limits and assault weapons stuff. Don't just drop the issue, actually say your position has changed. And on Background checks and the like, show your support for it regularly, not just when there's been a crisis and you can find 50 crying parents on every corner to attend your big speech. the absurd thing is ofc, that there are majorities .....crude one sometimes...for the changes democrats propose, but this is just not mattering at all in the political world of the US. meaning: it is necessary to adapt your politics to be also directed AGAINST a majority to increase your majority, cause the people who are for more gun control are voting for you anyway. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 12, 2017, 01:01:02 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please I'll throw that in the to do list. FWIW, here are the seats that flip: Alabama 2 Alaska AL Arizona 2 Arkansas 2 California 1 California 10 California 21 California 25 California 39 California 42 California 45 California 48 California 49 Colorado 3 Colorado 6 Florida 3 Florida 6 Florida 15 Florida 16 Florida 18 Florida 26 Florida 27 Georgia 6 Georgia 7 Georgia 12 Illinois 6 Illinois 12 Illinois 13 Illinois 14 Indiana 2 Indiana 9 Iowa 1 Iowa 3 Iowa 4 Kansas 3 Kentucky 6 Maine 2 Michigan 1 Michigan 3 Michigan 6 Michigan 7 Michigan 8 Michigan 11 Minnesota 2 Minnesota 3 Missouri 2 Montana AL Nebraska 2 Nevada 2 New Jersey 2 New Jersey 3 New Jersey 7 New Jersey 11 New York 1 New York 19 New York 22 New York 23 New York 24 North Carolina 2 North Carolina 5 North Carolina 6 North Carolina 7 North Carolina 8 North Carolina 9 North Carolina 13 Ohio 1 Oklahoma 5 Pennsylvania 6 Pennsylvania 7 Pennsylvania 8 Pennsylvania 12 Pennsylvania 15 Pennsylvania 16 South Carolina 1 South Carolina 5 South Carolina 7 Texas 6 Texas 7 Texas 10 Texas 14 Texas 21 Texas 22 Texas 23 Texas 24 Texas 25 Texas 27 Texas 31 Utah 4 Virginia 1 Virginia 2 Virginia 5 Virginia 7 Virginia 10 Washington 3 Washington 5 Washington 8 West Virginia 2 Wisconsin 6 Wisconsin 7 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 12, 2017, 01:04:00 PM While national Dems can't be NRA shills and keep the base, they definitely should come out as supporters of the Heller Decision and quit supporting the magazine limits and assault weapons stuff. Don't just drop the issue, actually say your position has changed. And on Background checks and the like, show your support for it regularly, not just when there's been a crisis and you can find 50 crying parents on every corner to attend your big speech. the absurd thing is ofc, that there are majorities .....crude one sometimes...for the changes democrats propose, but this is just not mattering at all in the political world of the US. meaning: it is necessary to adapt your politics to be also directed AGAINST a majority to increase your majority, cause the people who are for more gun control are voting for you anyway. Well, it's a majority made up of like 95% support in NYC and 20% support or less in places like NY-21 and KS-3. It's not a majority conducive to winning a large house majority in the foreseeable future. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: ApatheticAustrian on April 12, 2017, 01:08:05 PM While national Dems can't be NRA shills and keep the base, they definitely should come out as supporters of the Heller Decision and quit supporting the magazine limits and assault weapons stuff. Don't just drop the issue, actually say your position has changed. And on Background checks and the like, show your support for it regularly, not just when there's been a crisis and you can find 50 crying parents on every corner to attend your big speech. the absurd thing is ofc, that there are majorities .....crude one sometimes...for the changes democrats propose, but this is just not mattering at all in the political world of the US. meaning: it is necessary to adapt your politics to be also directed AGAINST a majority to increase your majority, cause the people who are for more gun control are voting for you anyway. Well, it's a majority made up of like 95% support in NYC and 20% support or less in places like NY-21 and KS-3. It's not a majority conducive to winning a large house majority in the foreseeable future. you are absolutely effing correct and since this topic is much easier for me to swallow than abortions and seems to be even more polarizing, i kind of agree with what you have proposed. it's just mind-biggling for an middle-european, to say the least, that it's a winning strategy. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 12, 2017, 01:22:21 PM While national Dems can't be NRA shills and keep the base, they definitely should come out as supporters of the Heller Decision and quit supporting the magazine limits and assault weapons stuff. Don't just drop the issue, actually say your position has changed. And on Background checks and the like, show your support for it regularly, not just when there's been a crisis and you can find 50 crying parents on every corner to attend your big speech. the absurd thing is ofc, that there are majorities .....crude one sometimes...for the changes democrats propose, but this is just not mattering at all in the political world of the US. meaning: it is necessary to adapt your politics to be also directed AGAINST a majority to increase your majority, cause the people who are for more gun control are voting for you anyway. Well, it's a majority made up of like 95% support in NYC and 20% support or less in places like NY-21 and KS-3. It's not a majority conducive to winning a large house majority in the foreseeable future. you are absolutely effing correct and since this topic is much easier for me to swallow than abortions and seems to be even more polarizing, i kind of agree with what you have proposed. it's just mind-biggling for an middle-european, to say the least, that it's a winning strategy. Abortion is very polarizing in a straight opinion poll, but at the same time, it's something that a strong majority of women never have, so it's not really all that personal for a lot of people - out of sight, out of mind. And then you get people like me, that definitely care about stopping Abortion, but don't want to be a single issue voter on the issue, because holding the country hostage over one issue just doesn't seem right. So unless you're Hillary-level stupid and go around supporting partial birth, Abortion doesn't really take up the minds of swing voters. But with guns, it's very personal - most Americans, even a lot of mainline Dems, own a gun or know someone who does. It's very personal because suddenly your own property is at risk - you can't just not think about it. And if you're pro life as well, now you have two counts against the Dem. So it's pretty easy to see how this issue can much more easily occupy the minds of swing votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Tintrlvr on April 12, 2017, 04:51:14 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please I'll throw that in the to do list. FWIW, here are the seats that flip: Alabama 2 Alaska AL Arizona 2 Arkansas 2 California 1 California 10 California 21 California 25 California 39 California 42 California 45 California 48 California 49 Colorado 3 Colorado 6 Florida 3 Florida 6 Florida 15 Florida 16 Florida 18 Florida 26 Florida 27 Georgia 6 Georgia 7 Georgia 12 Illinois 6 Illinois 12 Illinois 13 Illinois 14 Indiana 2 Indiana 9 Iowa 1 Iowa 3 Iowa 4 Kansas 3 Kentucky 6 Maine 2 Michigan 1 Michigan 3 Michigan 6 Michigan 7 Michigan 8 Michigan 11 Minnesota 2 Minnesota 3 Missouri 2 Montana AL Nebraska 2 Nevada 2 New Jersey 2 New Jersey 3 New Jersey 7 New Jersey 11 New York 1 New York 19 New York 22 New York 23 New York 24 North Carolina 2 North Carolina 5 North Carolina 6 North Carolina 7 North Carolina 8 North Carolina 9 North Carolina 13 Ohio 1 Oklahoma 5 Pennsylvania 6 Pennsylvania 7 Pennsylvania 8 Pennsylvania 12 Pennsylvania 15 Pennsylvania 16 South Carolina 1 South Carolina 5 South Carolina 7 Texas 6 Texas 7 Texas 10 Texas 14 Texas 21 Texas 22 Texas 23 Texas 24 Texas 25 Texas 27 Texas 31 Utah 4 Virginia 1 Virginia 2 Virginia 5 Virginia 7 Virginia 10 Washington 3 Washington 5 Washington 8 West Virginia 2 Wisconsin 6 Wisconsin 7 Heh. (Also shows how brutal the Ohio gerrymander is, for what it's worth.) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Brittain33 on April 12, 2017, 05:12:09 PM (Also shows how brutal the Ohio gerrymander is, for what it's worth.) ...and how terrible Clinton's performance was for what people still think of as a median swing state. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Tintrlvr on April 12, 2017, 05:31:39 PM (Also shows how brutal the Ohio gerrymander is, for what it's worth.) ...and how terrible Clinton's performance was for what people still think of as a median swing state. Believe the swing calculations Wiz did are based on 2016 Congressional, not Presidential, results. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Badger on April 12, 2017, 11:47:09 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please I'll throw that in the to do list. FWIW, here are the seats that flip: Alabama 2 Alaska AL Arizona 2 Arkansas 2 California 1 California 10 California 21 California 25 California 39 California 42 California 45 California 48 California 49 Colorado 3 Colorado 6 Florida 3 Florida 6 Florida 15 Florida 16 Florida 18 Florida 26 Florida 27 Georgia 6 Georgia 7 Georgia 12 Illinois 6 Illinois 12 Illinois 13 Illinois 14 Indiana 2 Indiana 9 Iowa 1 Iowa 3 Iowa 4 Kansas 3 Kentucky 6 Maine 2 Michigan 1 Michigan 3 Michigan 6 Michigan 7 Michigan 8 Michigan 11 Minnesota 2 Minnesota 3 Missouri 2 Montana AL Nebraska 2 Nevada 2 New Jersey 2 New Jersey 3 New Jersey 7 New Jersey 11 New York 1 New York 19 New York 22 New York 23 New York 24 North Carolina 2 North Carolina 5 North Carolina 6 North Carolina 7 North Carolina 8 North Carolina 9 North Carolina 13 Ohio 1 Oklahoma 5 Pennsylvania 6 Pennsylvania 7 Pennsylvania 8 Pennsylvania 12 Pennsylvania 15 Pennsylvania 16 South Carolina 1 South Carolina 5 South Carolina 7 Texas 6 Texas 7 Texas 10 Texas 14 Texas 21 Texas 22 Texas 23 Texas 24 Texas 25 Texas 27 Texas 31 Utah 4 Virginia 1 Virginia 2 Virginia 5 Virginia 7 Virginia 10 Washington 3 Washington 5 Washington 8 West Virginia 2 Wisconsin 6 Wisconsin 7 Heh. (Also shows how brutal the Ohio gerrymander is, for what it's worth.) I thought the same thing, but it also has to do with the lack of any bench in the Ohio Democratic Party. I tend to believe some of those Southern States would never be as elastic even in this highly hypothetical cenario comma whereas a lot of Ohio districts if a tsunami of this sort was coming could get decent local candidates to run and flip a number of seats that would fall outside of the mathematical calculus. But yes, the gerrymandering in Ohio is as bad as in any state Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 12, 2017, 11:53:09 PM The republican Ohio district that has the best prospects of a dem beating the incumbent, based on the pundits, seems to be the 14th (Joyce). While that district wouldn't flip in any normal scenario, in a year where Virginia 1 is flipping along with a ton of Texas seats and Georgia 12 flips back, I'd expect it to flip as well.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 13, 2017, 07:21:21 AM The republican Ohio district that has the best prospects of a dem beating the incumbent, based on the pundits, seems to be the 14th (Joyce). While that district wouldn't flip in any normal scenario, in a year where Virginia 1 is flipping along with a ton of Texas seats and Georgia 12 flips back, I'd expect it to flip as well. OH-14 could definitely be flipped in even a year like 2012 (i.e. a mildly Democratic-leaning year) with an A-list recruit (although it'd probably start as a lean-R race in such a scenario). Democrats have no excuse for their recruiting failures there; this is the sort of seat where we should be competing in order to expand the playing field. I should also add that with good candidates, Joyce, Johnson*, Gibbs*, Turner (either as an open seat or in a Democratic wave), and Renacci's seats could all be pretty competitive under the right circumstances. Of course, it is true that the Ohio gerrymander is absolutely one of the worst in the country despite looking much cleaner than the maps in states like PA, NC, and MD. *Would probably require a Democratic wave election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Adam Griffin on April 13, 2017, 07:29:11 AM OH's gerrymander is intense - as shown by my little project of comparing Dem/GOP vote totals across midterms/presidential elections. It's almost as bad as Wisconsin's, and probably would be worse if OH only had a single-digit number of CDs. If you take 2016 Democratic vote totals and stack it up against 2014 GOP midterm vote totals*, only one district flips: OH-1. This is alongside a broader, national scenario where Democrats win the House 271-164.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 13, 2017, 01:37:45 PM OH's gerrymander is intense - as shown by my little project of comparing Dem/GOP vote totals across midterms/presidential elections. It's almost as bad as Wisconsin's, and probably would be worse if OH only had a single-digit number of CDs. If you take 2016 Democratic vote totals and stack it up against 2014 GOP midterm vote totals*, only one district flips: OH-1. This is alongside a broader, national scenario where Democrats win the House 271-164. The thing is that Republicans in OH-1 aren't nearly as elastic as they are in some other districts. Of course, any remotely reasonable map would have a safe Democratic seat contained entirely within Hamiltin County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: rob in cal on April 14, 2017, 10:19:34 PM I would have guessed the Libertarian candidate would have gotten more support in the Kansas vote. Say you are a right of center voter and want to protest the various Trump failures or Gov Brownback, but can't bring yourself to vote for a Democrat, you'd think voting Libertarian would have been a nice option, but apparently wasn't for many people.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Fubart Solman on April 15, 2017, 01:21:04 PM I would have guessed the Libertarian candidate would have gotten more support in the Kansas vote. Say you are a right of center voter and want to protest the various Trump failures or Gov Brownback, but can't bring yourself to vote for a Democrat, you'd think voting Libertarian would have been a nice option, but apparently wasn't for many people. My guess is that they just didn't turn out to vote at all. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Crumpets on April 17, 2017, 07:21:42 PM Using the ol' Excelorama, plugging in the shift (Pompeo -> Estes, Giroux -> Thompson) across all House seats would see the Dems picking up 99 seats, winning the house 293 to 142. Obviously that's not going to happen, but it should maybe entice the blue avatars here to cut it out with the gloating. Maps please Here's the map. For me the biggest takeaway is just how big those redistricting cases in FL, NC, and VA might end up being. () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 18, 2017, 01:47:17 PM For results coverage tonight, please follow the main GA-6 thread. I will still post here when I am ready to make a final call on the race, but otherwise coverage will be on the main GA-6 thread.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: The Other Castro on April 18, 2017, 01:50:08 PM For results coverage tonight, please follow the main GA-6 thread. I will still post here when I am ready to make a final call on the race, but otherwise coverage will be on the main GA-6 thread. Then why is this called the results thread if we're not going to talk about results in this thread? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 18, 2017, 02:03:42 PM People are already doing election day stuff on the other thread - turnout reports and the like. This thread will be used for results on the rest of these nights - next one is SC Primary on 5/2 - but unless people really want to switch over here when polls close, I see no reason to veer off from the other thread.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 18, 2017, 11:00:42 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: OSSOFF VS. HANDEL RUNOFF
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: The Other Castro on April 18, 2017, 11:06:31 PM Well, I should have stayed with my first prediction:
Ossoff 47% Handel 17% Gray 12% Hill 11% Moody 9% Other 4% Runoff Ossoff 52% Handel 48% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/18: GA-6) Post by: Mr. Smith on April 19, 2017, 01:17:04 AM Well, I should have stayed with my first prediction: Ossoff 47% Handel 17% Gray 12% Hill 11% Moody 9% Other 4% Runoff Ossoff 52% Handel 48% For the above, probably. For the run-off, I'm skeptical. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 19, 2017, 02:49:02 AM Looking forward to an exciting runoff! The total R to Total D vote margin was very silm: 51.03% R to 48.89% D. This should be one of the closest runoffs in history. But before it happens, we have other things to watch. The next election is the SC-5 primary on May 2nd.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 19, 2017, 08:04:55 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on April 19, 2017, 09:11:23 AM Before 2016 SC-05 would have been Dem best pick opportunity up but muh suburban GA-6 is so glamorous.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Jeppe on April 19, 2017, 09:31:10 AM I hope Alexis Frank wins the nomination. Goldman Sachs executive running for the Dems is bad messaging.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Maxwell on April 19, 2017, 11:06:43 AM Before 2016 SC-05 would have been Dem best pick opportunity up but muh suburban GA-6 is so glamorous. Meh, SC-5 does not allow much room for error - low ceiling for dems. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 19, 2017, 11:45:22 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Figueira on April 19, 2017, 11:54:35 AM Hoping for Alexis Frank, not that it's likely to matter much in the end. Still, after Kansas and Georgia, it would be stupid to ignore this entirely.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 19, 2017, 11:42:57 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: McGovernForPrez on April 20, 2017, 12:35:02 PM Yeah this has got to be the least elastic special election on the roster. I can't see a Dem pickup here. Still worth watching, but expecting much less than the other ones.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 20, 2017, 01:09:22 PM Yeah, SC-05 seems like if it has a similar swing as other specials, it would indicate that either southern wwc turnout is severely depressed or that that demographic gained massive elasticity out of nowhere. Either scenario would backfire the southern republican gerrymanders if it continued through 2018 and result in the unraveling of the republican caucus.
For this reason, I would say that the swing will only be 2-5 points to the democrats in the district. Even if on election night the early vote comes in 90% democrat I am still going to think the republican will win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 20, 2017, 05:00:34 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: SCNCmod on April 20, 2017, 09:46:07 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? I'm unfamiliar with almost all of them... on both sides. I do know Mr. Norman. He's a good guy (although not reality familiar with many of his political views). He has many qualities that should make him a perfect political candidate- but for some reason voters never fully latched on to him- to the extent I would expect (he lost to (D) John Spratt when 5th district had a few more democrats prior to redistricting). As a successful developer in Rock Hill/ Charlotte area & with an entertaining (in a good way) and photogenic family ... he will likely definitely be Trump's prefered candidate. The Dem candidate that would've had the best chance is Thomas McElveen... too bad he chose not to run! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Maxwell on April 20, 2017, 10:08:43 PM Tommy Pope currently leads in the polls (but only at 19%), with Norman, Few, and Mulliken all at around 8-10%. Since I don't know anything else, I'd say Pope is the favorite.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Ebsy on April 20, 2017, 10:19:46 PM We're apparently going to get a special election in Chaffetz' seat.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 20, 2017, 11:53:34 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 21, 2017, 12:03:32 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. Also, SC-05 is a district that significantly swung to Trump - Obama got nearly 45% of the vote both times, but Hillary got just 38%. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 21, 2017, 12:16:59 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. For the Party of Trump: Connolly is the former chair of the SC Party of Trump, Few is the founder of an Anti-Common-Core Group, Wampler is an Attorney, Pope is in his seventh year as a state representative, Craig is a missionary who unsucccessfully attempted to primary Mulvaney from the left in 2016, Norman is a former state representative, and Mullikin is on the Board of Directors for the SC chapter of the US Army Special Forces Foundation and also works as an Attorney. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Smash255 on April 21, 2017, 07:06:28 AM My parents retired down to SC-5 (just over the border from Charlotte). As much as I would like to see a Dem pickup I highly doubt it unless something major happens.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Brittain33 on April 21, 2017, 07:33:49 AM This district Bishop originally ran in 25 years ago was majority African-American, I believe, and incumbency has helped him avoid challengers as the minority share of the population dipped into the 40s. It's not really comparable to SC-5.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 21, 2017, 08:03:12 AM This district Bishop originally ran in 25 years ago was majority African-American, I believe, and incumbency has helped him avoid challengers as the minority share of the population dipped into the 40s. It's not really comparable to SC-5. In Statistical Atlas GA-02 listed as 51.4% Black, SA-05 - only 27.2%. That's not simply "a difference", that's "enormous difference")))) Before recent polarization people like Spratt could forge a biracial coalition and win. Usually - no more... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 21, 2017, 10:14:44 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. In the late 90s, he had a 60% white district. I'm not saying a black Democrat can win SC-5, I'm just saying it's important not to make such sweeping generalizations when evaluating candidates. I wouldn't have thought an African-American could get elected mayor of Jacksonville and while he narrowly lost re-election, Alvin Brown proved me wrong. Mike Thurmond was elected to three terms as Georgia Labor Commissioner. Gary Anderson came about 5% away from being elected MS Treasurer in 2003 IIRC. There are races (ex: Harold Ford's 2006 Senate loss, for example) where race-baiting was likely the reason the Democrat lost, but in SC-5 we're gonna lose because we don't have a three unremarkable some dude candidates running in a heavily Republican district. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 21, 2017, 12:42:56 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: cinyc on April 21, 2017, 12:46:14 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... Senator Tim Scott says hi, both as Senator from South Carolina and Congressman from SC-1. Not all African-Americans are Democrats. It is perfectly possible for a black Republican to win in the South a majority white district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 21, 2017, 12:52:58 PM Senator Tim Scott says hi, both as Senator from South Carolina and Congressman from SC-1. Not all African-Americans are Democrats. It is perfectly possible for a black Republican to win in the South a majority white district. I know that. But i meant Black Democrats, because somebody stated, that the best candidate in SC-05 for Democrats would be Black. In most cases Black Democratic candidate in majority-white southern districts is (politically correct speaking) ... far from being the most electable Democratic candidate... Gwen Graham managed defeat Southerland in old FL-02 in 2014, but i am ready to bet substantial money that that district would never elect Black Democrat... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 21, 2017, 01:48:34 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... Obama won Florida in 2012 :P Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 22, 2017, 12:29:45 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 22, 2017, 07:38:12 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 22, 2017, 11:01:40 AM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P When post is so long - it's not difficult to err. About Orlando - i meant in political sense, not geographically... . Well, let's simply agree to disagree: i seem unable to convince you, and you surely (i know that, it's quite difficult thing to do in ANY case, and you don't present too much arguments or numbers...) will not convince me... So - there is no sense to continue.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 22, 2017, 12:33:48 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P When post is so long - it's not difficult to err. About Orlando - i meant in political sense, not geographically... . Well, let's simply agree to disagree: i seem unable to convince you, and you surely (i know that, it's quite difficult thing to do in ANY case, and you don't present too much arguments or numbers...) will not convince me... So - there is no sense to continue.. Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think my initial claim was? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 22, 2017, 12:59:21 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P When post is so long - it's not difficult to err. About Orlando - i meant in political sense, not geographically... . Well, let's simply agree to disagree: i seem unable to convince you, and you surely (i know that, it's quite difficult thing to do in ANY case, and you don't present too much arguments or numbers...) will not convince me... So - there is no sense to continue.. Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think my initial claim was? As i see - that i generalize too much (with Sanford Boshop example, which didn't convince me too much). Well, may be, but i used words "as a rule" (which allows for exceptions, but - relatively rare exceptions).... Urban areas (Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, NoVA, Research Triangle, big Texas metropolises. and so on) have it's own political dynamics, where "metropolization" may trump race. Rural and small city southern areas - very rare. Yes, they can vote for conservative black Republican (like Scott in South Carolina), but that's almost all. They will NOT (usually) vote for liberal or even moderate Black Democrat... Because of area history and traditions, which they inherited from their ancestors... Hence i usually consider a fact, that such and such Democratic candidate in the South is Black, as not plus, but rather a minus to his/her electability.. Except, obviously, majority-minority districts, where it can be a BIG plus... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 22, 2017, 01:53:45 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... As i said above - Florida, from Orlando down South, is NOT typically southern state. Would he win South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisisana or Arkansas - another matter (typical southern states without great metropolises). In SC-05 we don't have metropolises or even their close suburbs (as in GA-06), so i consider my reasoning valid.. Obama won Florida in 2012 :P When post is so long - it's not difficult to err. About Orlando - i meant in political sense, not geographically... . Well, let's simply agree to disagree: i seem unable to convince you, and you surely (i know that, it's quite difficult thing to do in ANY case, and you don't present too much arguments or numbers...) will not convince me... So - there is no sense to continue.. Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think my initial claim was? As i see - that i generalize too much (with Sanford Boshop example, which didn't convince me too much). Well, may be, but i used words "as a rule" (which allows for exceptions, but - relatively rare exceptions).... Urban areas (Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Orlando, NoVA, Research Triangle, big Texas metropolises. and so on) have it's own political dynamics, where "metropolization" may trump race. Rural and small city southern areas - very rare. Yes, they can vote for conservative black Republican (like Scott in South Carolina), but that's almost all. They will NOT (usually) vote for liberal or even moderate Black Democrat... Because of area history and traditions, which they inherited from their ancestors... Hence i usually consider a fact, that such and such Democratic candidate in the South is Black, as not plus, but rather a minus to his/her electability.. Except, obviously, majority-minority districts, where it can be a BIG plus... My point was just that it's possible for African-American Democrats to win culturally southern white majority districts, albeit extremely difficult. I never said being an African-American Democrat in a majority-white southern district is an advantage, only that it isn't always guaranteed to end in said candidate's defeat. It's like how a white candidate winning a majority African-American district is difficult, but not impossible (ex: Steve Cohen). The part about you generalizing came later* and I gave examples of exceptions other than Sanford Bishop (albeit not in house seats). The other thing is that while the south's urban areas obviously have different political dynamics, many of them are still culturally southern. In other words, Nashville and Orlando may not be conservative cities, but they are certainly southern cities in almost every meaningful sense (Nashville is an even better example). *Although you do indeed tend to over-generalize Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 23, 2017, 01:19:56 AM ^ Well, i know that it's possible for Black candidate to win majority-white Southern district. Sometimes - even a rural one. IIRC - in 2007 Black Democrat won state Senate seat in Mississippi which was rural and more then 95% white (he lost it later, but it's another story). But it's still a big rarity... So, my point was that "being Black" doesn't in any way increases electoral chances of candidate in southern majority-white (especially - more or less rural) districts, and to state that such candidate "would be the best, because he/she is Black" is a mistake. Black candidate can win there, but he/she must have other outstanding qualities and "happen to be Black", not be a "Black candidate".
And when i speak about whether such and such area is "Southern" i mean strictly political tradition and preferences. A words of one North Florida political commentator about his state come to mind: "I'm convinced that the further south you drive, the further north you get"... P.S. The same about white politicians in majority-Black seats: Steve Cohen now wins convincingly, but was regularily primaried by Black candidates, many of whom spoke about "this being a Black seat", before. The same with members of state legislatures (Patricia Todd in Alabama, and some other). Racial polarization in voting is still high enough.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 23, 2017, 08:48:21 AM ^ Well, i know that it's possible for Black candidate to win majority-white Southern district. Sometimes - even a rural one. IIRC - in 2007 Black Democrat won state Senate seat in Mississippi which was rural and more then 95% white (he lost it later, but it's another story). But it's still a big rarity... So, my point was that "being Black" doesn't in any way increases electoral chances of candidate in southern majority-white (especially - more or less rural) districts, and to state that such candidate "would be the best, because he/she is Black" is a mistake. Black candidate can win there, but he/she must have other outstanding qualities and "happen to be Black", not be a "Black candidate". And when i speak about whether such and such area is "Southern" i mean strictly political tradition and preferences. A words of one North Florida political commentator about his state come to mind: "I'm convinced that the further south you drive, the further north you get"... P.S. The same about white politicians in majority-Black seats: Steve Cohen now wins convincingly, but was regularily primaried by Black candidates, many of whom spoke about "this being a Black seat", before. The same with members of state legislatures (Patricia Todd in Alabama, and some other). Racial polarization in voting is still high enough.. - I don't disagree that it's a much steeper climb, all I was saying is that it's possible. - The only part of Florida I think you could really argue isn't southern is the Gold Coast. - I forget the results in his first race, but Cohen won in his primaries in a landslide every time he sought re-election in TN-9. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 23, 2017, 10:52:19 AM I forget the results in his first race, but Cohen won in his primaries in a landslide every time he sought re-election in TN-9. Cohen won 30-25-12 in his first primary. AFTER that he really won convincingly (the closest being 66-32), but was primaried every election. P.S. Well, i literally quoted North Florida columnist from Pensacola.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 23, 2017, 12:30:26 PM I forget the results in his first race, but Cohen won in his primaries in a landslide every time he sought re-election in TN-9. Cohen won 30-25-12 in his first primary. AFTER that he really won convincingly (the closest being 66-32), but was primaried every election. P.S. Well, i literally quoted North Florida columnist from Pensacola.. - Right, but he sailed through the primaries every time, winning landslide victories without breaking a sweat (against the 2006 runner-up, a former Memphis Mayor, and the President of the Memphis Urban League among others). - That phrase is the sort of clever albeit highly over-simplified one-line that tends to make for a memorable line and decidedly flawed analysis. There are conservative areas in south Florida (ex: Lee County) and liberal areas of northern Florida (ex: Leon County). The fact is that the only area of Florida one could really argue is really more northern than southern is the gold coast. - P.S.: Writing random words in all-caps or bolding them doesn't make your argument more persuasive. I understand what you're saying perfectly well; I just think it's an oversimplification that could lead to faulty political analysis. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: smoltchanov on April 23, 2017, 03:03:13 PM ^ Well, as i already said - let's agree to disagree and respect each other opinions...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Badger on April 23, 2017, 04:13:29 PM Who's who for thé SC-5 candidates? For the Dems: Parnell is a Goldman Sachs executive, Frank is a student and army veteran (and African American), Murphy is a marine veteran who now works for the non-profit Carolina Veterans Commission. Essentially, uninspiring candidates that leave little hope for anti-trump forces, unless one of these is really good at campaigning. As a rule - i don't believe in African American candidates winning majority white southern districts... There are some rare exceptions on state legislative level, but mostly the vote is too polarized by race. IMHO, even with Trump this is a closest to Safe R special.. Sanford Bishop would like a word. His district is about 50-50. Compare this with SC-05. Democrats need districts to be 40-45% Black minimum, and pray, that 10-15% of whites will still vote Democratic, to have a chance. How many such districts exist? Even Bishop won his district narrowly couple of times (2010, 1996, 2000).. All I'm saying is that, and I mean this as constructive criticism, you tend to generalize a lot (sometimes you're right, other times you're way off) and it might not be the worst idea to allow for the possibility of exceptions a bit more often. Well, if you show me recent examples of such biracial coalition (not pre-2010, but after it, when polarization soared, including - racial one) - i may reconsider my position. Bit so far - i stick to it... It's extremely difficult to elect Black candidate in white-majority Southern districts now. I can fathom that say, in Southern Florida or Research Triangle (which are more or less "non-siuthern" politically), but not in many ither places.. In "typical" southern districts correlation between Democratc aand Black percentages is very strong... Senator Tim Scott says hi, both as Senator from South Carolina and Congressman from SC-1. Not all African-Americans are Democrats. It is perfectly possible for a black Republican to win in the South a majority white district. This is true. There are some African-American Republican politicians who enjoy white support. Though almost all African American voters are indeed Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: SCNCmod on April 28, 2017, 08:23:24 AM Senator Tim Scott says hi, both as Senator from South Carolina and Congressman from SC-1. Not all African-Americans are Democrats. It is perfectly possible for a black Republican to win in the South a majority white district. I think Scott is a very nice, friendly guy... but not a great Senator at all. Just listening to some of his speeches during the Devos 24 hour Senate session, etc ... a 6th grader can string together a more logical speech. I don't think Scott would have ever won the Senate seat, had he not 1st been appointed by Haley. This gave him time to build up some popularity as the only Black Republican Senator (and from South Carolina at that). I'm sure he was a decent Congressman- but seems out of his depth as Senator... Good thing he was dating one of Nikki's friends when it came time to appoint a new Senator. That said- I would rather have an ineffective Republican Senator than a Strong Republican Senator. But on the other hand- a Black Republican Senator will be almost impossible to ever beat in SC. But I've heard there is a slight chance Scott could run for Governor in 2018... which I think would be a Much better fit for him than Senator. (Although with him just winning re-election, its hard to imagine). .... if he were to run for Governor- he would definitely win... And I Think Mark Sanford really wants his Senate seat, if it came open. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 04:22:27 PM Today is the South Carolina 5 primary! It's time to find out who will be facing off for Mick Mulvaney's old seat in June! Polls close in under two hours. Results by county will be here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/SC_US_House_0502.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 05:28:13 PM NYT results map: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/south-carolina-house-special-election-primary
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Dr. Arch on May 02, 2017, 05:29:00 PM NYT results map: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/south-carolina-house-special-election-primary Thank you. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 06:43:47 PM Early vote starting to drift in:
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Ralph Norman 95 42.6% Tommy Pope 77 34.5 Chad Connelly 35 15.7 Sheri Few 10 4.5 Tom Mullikin 4 1.8 Kris Wampler 2 0.9 Ray Craig 0 0.0 Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 85 55.2% Les Murphy 58 37.7 Alexis Frank 11 7.1 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 06:53:13 PM 1% of the vote is in.
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 1,063 44.1% Ralph Norman 862 35.8 Tom Mullikin 208 8.6 Chad Connelly 207 8.6 Sheri Few 57 2.4 Kris Wampler 9 0.4 Ray Craig 3 0.1 Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 866 70.4% Alexis Frank 206 16.7 Les Murphy 158 12.8 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: OneJ on May 02, 2017, 07:07:35 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 2,540 38.5% Ralph Norman 1,788 27.1 Tom Mullikin 1,193 18.1 Others 1,075 16.3 15% reporting (52 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: OneJ on May 02, 2017, 07:07:59 PM Democratic Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 2,892 73.1% Alexis Frank 768 19.4 Les Murphy 297 7.5 15% reporting (52 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 07:12:06 PM Calling the democratic primary for Parnell!
Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 3,162 73.8% Alexis Frank 813 19.0 Les Murphy 310 7.2 17% reporting (61 of 358 precincts) Republican Primary so far: Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 2,576 37.8% Ralph Norman 1,807 26.5 Tom Mullikin 1,277 18.8 Chad Connelly 858 12.6 Sheri Few 254 3.7 Kris Wampler 21 0.3 Ray Craig 16 0.2 17% reporting (61 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 07:18:30 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 3,221 35.2% Ralph Norman 2,443 26.7 Tom Mullikin 1,844 20.1 Chad Connelly 1,242 13.6 Sheri Few 354 3.9 Kris Wampler 28 0.3 Ray Craig 23 0.3 25% reporting (91 of 358 precincts) Remember that there is a runoff if no one reaches 50%. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: OneJ on May 02, 2017, 07:24:03 PM Democratic Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 4,191 72.6% Alexis Frank 1,142 19.8 Les Murphy 442 7.7 27% reporting (97 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 07:33:39 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 4,621 32.2% Ralph Norman 3,930 27.4 Tom Mullikin 3,017 21.0 Chad Connelly 2,002 14.0 Sheri Few 676 4.7 Kris Wampler 56 0.4 Ray Craig 33 0.2 41% reporting (145 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 07:44:04 PM Calling the republican primary - it'll be a runoff between Pope and Norman!
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 5,447 31.1% Ralph Norman 4,596 26.3 Tom Mullikin 3,317 19.0 Chad Connelly 3,283 18.8 Sheri Few 744 4.3 Kris Wampler 69 0.4 Ray Craig 44 0.3 50% reporting (179 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 07:58:34 PM Not impossible for Norman to overtake Pope for first, but regardless, it's a runoff as no one is getting to 50%.
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 7,102 30.8% Ralph Norman 6,443 27.9 Tom Mullikin 4,289 18.6 Chad Connelly 4,021 17.4 Sheri Few 1,083 4.7 Kris Wampler 92 0.4 Ray Craig 56 0.2 68% reporting (243 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 08:01:18 PM It's dogfight to see who wins the initial R round:
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 7,666 30.9% Ralph Norman 7,429 29.9 Tom Mullikin 4,381 17.7 Chad Connelly 4,059 16.4 Sheri Few 1,115 4.5 Kris Wampler 98 0.4 Ray Craig 59 0.2 70% reporting (249 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Heisenberg on May 02, 2017, 08:12:11 PM Anyone know why Chester and Kershaw counties still haven't reported anything yet (according to NYT)?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 08:17:02 PM Some York + Kershaw remain
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 8,660 31.1% Ralph Norman 8,397 30.1 Tom Mullikin 4,852 17.4 Chad Connelly 4,454 16.0 Sheri Few 1,310 4.7 Kris Wampler 127 0.5 Ray Craig 61 0.2 79% reporting (282 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 08:19:32 PM Norman now in first!
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Ralph Norman 9,395 31.5% Tommy Pope 9,087 30.4 Tom Mullikin 5,106 17.1 Chad Connelly 4,680 15.7 Sheri Few 1,367 4.6 Kris Wampler 151 0.5 Ray Craig 64 0.2 82% reporting (293 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Heisenberg on May 02, 2017, 08:27:21 PM This is super fun to watch. Not sure which I'll support, but I'm leaning towards Norman, sort of.
Glad Sheri Few is going nowhere (see this (https://www.fitsnews.com/2017/02/10/congressional-candidate-opponents-are-like-isis/)). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 09:06:42 PM With all of York in, Pope barely goes back into first. All that is left now is Kershaw.
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 11,409 32.6% Ralph Norman 11,373 32.5 Tom Mullikin 5,498 15.7 Chad Connelly 4,945 14.1 Sheri Few 1,536 4.4 Kris Wampler 186 0.5 Ray Craig 74 0.2 91% reporting (324 of 358 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 09:09:32 PM Final Results:
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Tommy Pope 11,866 30.5% Ralph Norman 11,754 30.2 Tom Mullikin 7,578 19.5 Chad Connelly 5,505 14.2 Sheri Few 1,908 4.9 Kris Wampler 202 0.5 Ray Craig 90 0.2 100% reporting (358 of 358 precincts) Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Archie Parnell 13,234 71.3% Alexis Frank 3,992 21.5 Les Murphy 1,347 7.3 100% reporting (358 of 358 precincts) The runoff between Pope and Norman will be on the 16th. Parnell advances outright to the June GE. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Ronnie on May 02, 2017, 09:20:50 PM It's not determinate, but I don't think it's great sign for the Democrats that the total Republican vote (68%) was so much greater than the total Democratic vote (32%).
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Dr. Arch on May 02, 2017, 09:22:59 PM It's not determinate, but I don't think it's great sign for the Democrats that the total Republican vote (68%) was so much greater than the total Democratic vote (32%). Eh? +36 is encouraging? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Ronnie on May 02, 2017, 09:26:33 PM It's not determinate, but I don't think it's great sign for the Democrats that the total Republican vote (68%) was so much greater than the total Democratic vote (32%). Eh? +36 is encouraging? Erm, maybe you should read my sentence again. I said it isn't a great sign. :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Dr. Arch on May 02, 2017, 09:30:56 PM It's not determinate, but I don't think it's great sign for the Democrats that the total Republican vote (68%) was so much greater than the total Democratic vote (32%). Eh? +36 is encouraging? Erm, maybe you should read my sentence again. I said it isn't a great sign. :) Woops, that went over my head. Isn't that district gerrymandered anyways? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on May 02, 2017, 09:33:55 PM I haven't followed this race that closely because it is Safe R. But, Pope is to Norman's right, right?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 09:35:20 PM It's not determinate, but I don't think it's great sign for the Democrats that the total Republican vote (68%) was so much greater than the total Democratic vote (32%). Eh? +36 is encouraging? Erm, maybe you should read my sentence again. I said it isn't a great sign. :) Woops, that went over my head. Isn't that district gerrymandered anyways? Yes, but not as bad as some seats. Yeah, it went for Trump 57-39, but it was much closer in '12 - Romney 55-44. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Miles on May 02, 2017, 09:42:41 PM This should be about everything for the R side:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Maxwell on May 02, 2017, 09:45:28 PM Considering Parnell's margin, it didn't seem like the Dem primary was all that contested, meanwhile the GOP primary is very very contested.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 09:45:50 PM The way Mullikin's support just drops off after the three counties he carried big is interesting, to say the least.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 02, 2017, 09:47:07 PM Considering Parnell's margin, it didn't seem like the Dem primary was all that contested, meanwhile the GOP primary is very very contested. Yeah, apparently SC dems love Goldman Sachs and hate blaxicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on May 02, 2017, 10:19:57 PM Do anybody find it comical that the top 2 Republicans names are similar to Virginia Dem Primary
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Miles on May 02, 2017, 10:21:54 PM ^ Yeah, noticed that for Norman!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: The Other Castro on May 02, 2017, 10:55:50 PM ^ Yeah, noticed that for Norman! Clearly this is a sign that Perriello will win in a squeaker. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Heisenberg on May 02, 2017, 11:36:01 PM ^ Yeah, noticed that for Norman! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Figueira on May 03, 2017, 11:22:38 AM So, who is favored between Norman and Pope?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: The Other Castro on May 05, 2017, 05:09:57 PM Rep. Trey Gowdy (SC-4) is endorsing Tommy Pope.
http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article148581764.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: The Other Castro on May 11, 2017, 06:22:44 PM Trafalgar Group GOP primary runoff poll: Norman +1
Ralph Norman - 46% Tommy Pope - 45% https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/348061986/SC-05-Trafalgar-Group-May-2017 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 11, 2017, 08:39:20 PM OP updated for next week's event.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/2: SC-5 Primary) Post by: Figueira on May 15, 2017, 01:05:16 PM Trafalgar Group GOP primary runoff poll: Norman +1 Ralph Norman - 46% Tommy Pope - 45% https://www.scribd.com/mobile/document/348061986/SC-05-Trafalgar-Group-May-2017 I guess I'll predict a result of Norman 51, Pope 49, knowing nothing else. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 15, 2017, 07:09:30 PM I support Archie Parnell for the election in june, but knowing that he does not stand a chance in the dejure election in june, I will reluctantly support Ralph Norman in the GOP primaries, aka in this district as the defacto election. Since whomever wins tomorrow is essentially the new representative. And IMO Norman is ever so slightly better than Pope, and those are essentially the only two viable options.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 02:19:26 PM Happy runoff day everyone!!! Polls close in just under 4 hours!
Results by county: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/SC_Page_0516.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 05:17:20 PM NYT results page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/south-carolina-house-special-election-primary-runoff
Less than an hour to go! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: windjammer on May 16, 2017, 05:20:52 PM Don't forget the GA state senate election too Wulfric!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 05:21:35 PM Don't forget the GA state senate election too Wulfric! I don't care about that. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: windjammer on May 16, 2017, 05:25:31 PM Don't forget the GA state senate election too Wulfric! I don't care about that. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 05:33:30 PM Don't forget the GA state senate election too Wulfric! I don't care about that. It is significantly more R than GA-6. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 16, 2017, 05:55:22 PM Don't forget the GA state senate election too Wulfric! I don't care about that. It is significantly more R than GA-6. It could give a good indication of how certain parts of GA-6 may vote. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 16, 2017, 06:16:36 PM First numbers from DDHQ:
Ralph Norman (Republican) 51.1% 69 Tommy Pope (Republican) 48.9% 66 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 06:18:50 PM Norman ahead 74-71 on NYT.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: OneJ on May 16, 2017, 06:22:25 PM Norman ahead 74-71 on NYT. Also, these results are from Kershaw County for those who don't know. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 16, 2017, 06:26:48 PM DDHQ has these updated numbers with early vote from York County:
Tommy Pope (Republican) 54.0% 366 Ralph Norman (Republican) 46.0% 312 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 06:36:10 PM Pope ahead 248-227 per NYT
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: OneJ on May 16, 2017, 06:39:16 PM Tommy Pope 1,723 57.3% Ralph Norman 1,285 42.7 5% reporting (17 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 06:41:53 PM Tommy Pope 1,723 57.3% Ralph Norman 1,285 42.7 5% reporting (17 of 359 precincts) Not looking good for Norman at all at this point. Unless he can turn around York County big time, I see Pope winning by the end of the night. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 06:42:08 PM Pope is leading in York, Fairfield, Sumter, and Lee Counties. Norman is leading in Kershaw County.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 06:43:22 PM Pope is leading in Lancaster County, which went for Norman in round 1.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 06:52:20 PM 13% in, Pope up 2887-2433.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:00:24 PM Norman takes the lead in Sumter and Lancaster
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: OneJ on May 16, 2017, 07:00:24 PM Tommy Pope
3,781 52.9% Ralph Norman 3,366 47.1 19% reporting Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:01:37 PM Norman takes the lead in Lee.
23% in, Pope up 4505-3945. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:08:28 PM 32%, Pope up 5964-5606.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 16, 2017, 07:12:44 PM Tommy Pope
6,539 51.9% Ralph Norman 6,055 48.1 37% reporting (132 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:21:05 PM Norman takes the lead in Fairfield. Spartanburg also for Norman. Pope has Chester. York is down to Pope +10 now.
53% in, Pope up 9067-9033. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: OneJ on May 16, 2017, 07:27:04 PM Tommy Pope
9,436 50.1% Ralph Norman 9,414 49.9 58% reporting (208 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:29:32 PM With 73% in, Norman takes the lead, 11106-11099!
Newberry and Union are in the Norman column. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 07:32:41 PM Almost all of the votes that are still out are in york county. Votes out from other places are negligible levels. The race now depends on margin control in york county.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:33:52 PM Almost all of the votes that are still out are in york county. Votes out from other places are negligible levels. The race now depends on margin control in york county. Cherokee County is still completely out. Rural, yes, but in such a close race it could matter. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 07:36:10 PM Almost all of the votes that are still out are in york county. Votes out from other places are negligible levels. The race now depends on margin control in york county. Cherokee County is still completely out. Rural, yes, but in such a close race it could matter. Maybe, but I think it will go full swing for Norman. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 07:38:10 PM Lol yep, I was right.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:39:48 PM Cherokee for Norman.
84% in, Norman up 13341-12802. Places with votes left: Lancaster - 53% Norman Chester - 56% Pope York - 55% Pope Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 07:40:09 PM Now of the 57 precincts out 50 are from york co. Now it is truly up to margin control.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 16, 2017, 07:45:57 PM I think Norman has this.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:50:21 PM I think Norman has this. Still 42% left in York - if the margin stays at the 1200 votes it's at now Norman's fine (the only other thing left is Lancaster, where it's 53% Norman so far), but if Pope can grow the margin..... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 07:55:03 PM I think Norman has this. Don't be so quick to speak, there is still votes out in york county, and if pope can work some magic with the margins... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 07:55:17 PM 91% in, Norman up 15103-14718.
Everything is in except a third of York, where Pope is up by 9. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 08:02:15 PM 94% in. Norman up 16,236 to 15,567. or about 51-49.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 08:03:41 PM Calling this election for Norman! He's up 16236-15567 with 94% in! The rest of York just won't be enough.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 08:08:59 PM Final Results:
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Ralph Norman 17,772 50.3% Tommy Pope 17,572 49.7 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on May 16, 2017, 08:11:58 PM Looks like the polling showing this as a 1 point race was quite accurate.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Heisenberg on May 16, 2017, 08:20:10 PM GA State Senate results?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 08:23:26 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: cinyc on May 16, 2017, 08:25:33 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Holmes on May 16, 2017, 08:30:14 PM Yeah, Kirkpatrick has it. The margin will increase with only Cobb left but if Triebsch can stay above 40-41%, it wouldn't be a bad result.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: _ on May 16, 2017, 08:36:45 PM No call yet for some reason.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 08:38:52 PM No call yet for some reason. The AP has some weird policy of not calling races that are within so many votes. As you can see from this thread, I have no such policy, and have called the race. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Classic Conservative on May 16, 2017, 08:48:43 PM Yes! Norman will be a great congressman!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 08:56:58 PM Yes! Norman will be a great congressman! Well first he has to beat this guy in the General: () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 09:07:32 PM Yes! Norman will be a great congressman! Well first he has to beat this guy in the General: () That'll be a cakewalk. Today was the defacto election, June 20th is more of a formality for this district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Adam Griffin on May 16, 2017, 09:09:56 PM GA State Senate results? There's been discussion in the GA-6 thread. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 56.98% 18,602 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 43.02% 14,046 The margin in this district is almost identical to Trump's margin (13). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 16, 2017, 09:10:43 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. Final Results: KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 56.98% 18,602 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 43.02% 14,046 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Adam Griffin on May 16, 2017, 09:18:09 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. For reference, Ossoff got 43% in the jungle primary in the area overlapping this. I think it might be fair to say that this area in general is no longer rock ribbed So a first-time Democratic candidate running a pretty bare-bones campaign financially-speaking managed to basically a) match Clinton's margin and b) match Ossoff's share of the vote here in a runoff held separately from the congressional runoff. That says a lot, even before considering she got close to 45% of the vote in one of the most historically-GOP areas of the state. Maybe "the Discrepancy" (as I've called it) involving metro ATL voters being more GOP downballot is finally starting to dissolve...or maybe it dissolves whenever an incumbent is out of the picture and the area(s) start voting more like what demography would suggest. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Holmes on May 16, 2017, 09:26:00 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. For reference, Ossoff got 43% in the jungle primary in the area overlapping this. I think it might be fair to say that this area in general is no longer rock ribbed So a first-time Democratic candidate running a pretty bare-bones campaign financially-speaking managed to basically a) match Clinton's margin and b) match Ossoff's share of the vote here in a runoff held separately from the congressional runoff. That says a lot, even before considering she got close to 45% of the vote in one of the most historically-GOP areas of the state. Maybe "the Discrepancy" (as I've called it) involving metro ATL voters being more GOP downballot is finally starting to dissolve...or maybe it dissolves whenever an incumbent is out of the picture and the area(s) start voting more like what demography would suggest. I do think you make a good point about incumbency. I can see voters in this district voting for a Democrat for President or in an open race, they did it last November and last month. But Price and Isakson performed very well here too. I think next year's gubernatorial race will be interesting here, at least if Democrats run a good candidate. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 09:58:45 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. For reference, Ossoff got 43% in the jungle primary in the area overlapping this. I think it might be fair to say that this area in general is no longer rock ribbed So a first-time Democratic candidate running a pretty bare-bones campaign financially-speaking managed to basically a) match Clinton's margin and b) match Ossoff's share of the vote here in a runoff held separately from the congressional runoff. That says a lot, even before considering she got close to 45% of the vote in one of the most historically-GOP areas of the state. Maybe "the Discrepancy" (as I've called it) involving metro ATL voters being more GOP downballot is finally starting to dissolve...or maybe it dissolves whenever an incumbent is out of the picture and the area(s) start voting more like what demography would suggest. I do think you make a good point about incumbency. I can see voters in this district voting for a Democrat for President or in an open race, they did it last November and last month. But Price and Isakson performed very well here too. I think next year's gubernatorial race will be interesting here, at least if Democrats run a good candidate. Hold your horses. Yes, last month a dem won the district with a plurality, but Trump won this district in the general election last year. Granted dems have been doing great in this area, and the republicans are doing bad here, but don't go around spreading misinformation. Trump won the district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Holmes on May 16, 2017, 10:00:35 PM Hold your horses on what? I literally said wait and see.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Sorenroy on May 16, 2017, 10:07:58 PM Not seeing numbers [for Georgia's 32nd] anywhere That sad 26% turnout... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Adam Griffin on May 16, 2017, 10:12:27 PM Grey = partial precincts; many had huge swings that painted an inaccurate picture, so I just colored them grey instead. () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Miles on May 16, 2017, 10:16:05 PM SC-05 map:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on May 16, 2017, 10:26:24 PM ^Not seeing numbers anywhere. AP doesn't have it (which is what NYT uses), and neither does the SOS or DDHQ. KAY KIRKPATRICK (REP) 55.43% 7,920 CHRISTINE TRIEBSCH (DEM) 44.57% 6,368 http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/69574/Web02-state/#/ The Fulton County part of the district is all in. The Cobb County part still reporting. Kirkpatrick should have this. For reference, Ossoff got 43% in the jungle primary in the area overlapping this. I think it might be fair to say that this area in general is no longer rock ribbed So a first-time Democratic candidate running a pretty bare-bones campaign financially-speaking managed to basically a) match Clinton's margin and b) match Ossoff's share of the vote here in a runoff held separately from the congressional runoff. That says a lot, even before considering she got close to 45% of the vote in one of the most historically-GOP areas of the state. Maybe "the Discrepancy" (as I've called it) involving metro ATL voters being more GOP downballot is finally starting to dissolve...or maybe it dissolves whenever an incumbent is out of the picture and the area(s) start voting more like what demography would suggest. I do think you make a good point about incumbency. I can see voters in this district voting for a Democrat for President or in an open race, they did it last November and last month. But Price and Isakson performed very well here too. I think next year's gubernatorial race will be interesting here, at least if Democrats run a good candidate. I don't give two hecks about whatever else you said, but your words that I just bolded and underlined for emphasis, communicate a lie. Trump won the district in the general election last year, that's a fact. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: Virginiá on May 16, 2017, 11:43:48 PM I don't give two hecks about whatever else you said, but your words that I just bolded and underlined for emphasis, communicate a lie. Trump won the district in the general election last year, that's a fact. Hey, let's be civil here. That was pretty hostile for no good reason that I can see. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/16: SC-5 R Primary Runoff) Post by: windjammer on May 17, 2017, 12:15:02 AM I think people are missing what lesson should be taken from this run off.
At the first round: republicans were leading 60-40, and now they won only 57-43. That means the dem who finished first improved by 3 the democrats overall. That feels good for Ossoff as in the district overall republicans were leading 51-49 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 17, 2017, 01:48:41 PM OP updated for the next election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 19, 2017, 03:23:06 PM Final SC-5 Results (Post-Recount):
RALPH NORMAN – 17,823 – (50.31 percent) TOMMY POPE – 17,602 – (49.69 percent) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: The Other Castro on May 20, 2017, 05:17:24 PM It's somewhat strange how little attention has been given to SC-5. Yes, it's not likely to be nearly as competitive as GA-6, but it's still on the same day.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: BuckeyeNut on May 20, 2017, 05:31:16 PM It's somewhat strange how little attention has been given to SC-5. Yes, it's not likely to be nearly as competitive as GA-6, but it's still on the same day. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: The Other Castro on May 20, 2017, 05:36:37 PM It's somewhat strange how little attention has been given to SC-5. Yes, it's not likely to be nearly as competitive as GA-6, but it's still on the same day. I don't expect it to get the same attention, but at least some. KS-4 was somewhat hyped before its election day, while I don't think I've seen anything about SC-5. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Ebsy on May 20, 2017, 05:44:13 PM It's somewhat strange how little attention has been given to SC-5. Yes, it's not likely to be nearly as competitive as GA-6, but it's still on the same day. I don't expect it to get the same attention, but at least some. KS-4 was somewhat hyped before its election day, while I don't think I've seen anything about SC-5. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Maxwell on May 20, 2017, 05:47:18 PM Both of the top tier GOP candidates were fairly competent and might even be categorized as better than the incumbent who left (Mick Mulvaney, who was an austerity nut who won the district by very underwhelming margins). Archie Parnell strikes me as the right kind of Dem for this district, but I doubt he'll make it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: MT Treasurer on May 22, 2017, 05:21:42 PM Not sure if this is the right thread to post this, but a GOP poll has Norman up 17 points:
Q:The candidates in the 2017 Special Election for United States Congress are the Democrat Archie Parnell and the Republican Ralph Norman. If the election were held today, for whom would you vote? Archie Parnell (D): 36% Ralph Norman (R): 53% Undecided: 11% Survey conducted May 17 through May 18, 2017. Link. (https://www.rampartpac.com/2017-special-election/) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Maxwell on May 22, 2017, 05:29:52 PM yeah that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Ebsy on May 22, 2017, 05:46:18 PM Nancy Pelosi questions but no Paul Ryan? Looks like they might have withheld whatever numbers they had on him. I'm guessing they weren't good.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: The Other Castro on May 22, 2017, 05:50:10 PM When they ask questions like that first, it primes the respondents and makes the survey potentially less accurate.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: windjammer on May 22, 2017, 06:32:39 PM Not sure if this is the right thread to post this, but a GOP poll has Norman up 17 points: Q:The candidates in the 2017 Special Election for United States Congress are the Democrat Archie Parnell and the Republican Ralph Norman. If the election were held today, for whom would you vote? Archie Parnell (D): 36% Ralph Norman (R): 53% Undecided: 11% Survey conducted May 17 through May 18, 2017. Link. (https://www.rampartpac.com/2017-special-election/) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 22, 2017, 07:00:17 PM According to that poll, Parnell leads among Dems 78-11, Norman leads among Reps 82-12, and Parnell leads among Indies 42-35. Only 6% of reps are undecided vs. 10% of Dems and 24% of Indies. Also the poll is probably a bit too favorable to Norman in its methodology as it is an internal for him. Parnell may have a shot at reaching Obama's 44% showing.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 24, 2017, 04:40:07 PM Updated OP with dates of congressional special elections after June 20.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 11:18:33 AM Clarification for tonight: While it is likely that the MT-AL main thread will be more active, I will still post results updates here occasionally and link to sources for results.
AP by county: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/MT_Page_0525.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 07:32:38 PM NYT Results Page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/montana-house-special-election
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: AtorBoltox on May 25, 2017, 08:34:15 PM Shouldn't results be coming in now?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on May 25, 2017, 08:36:34 PM Shouldn't results be coming in now? no, polls are still open until 10 pm EST Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 09:14:08 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Greg Gianforte Rep. 50,887 48.4% Rob Quist Dem. 48,105 45.8 Mark Wicks Lib. 6,100 5.8 11% reporting (77 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 09:17:49 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Rob Quist Dem. 67,604 49.4% Greg Gianforte Rep. 61,753 45.1 Mark Wicks Lib. 7,546 5.5 15% reporting (102 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 09:38:06 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Greg Gianforte Rep. 86,918 47.3% Rob Quist Dem. 86,262 46.9 Mark Wicks Lib. 10,564 5.7 22% reporting (153 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 10:18:52 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Greg Gianforte Rep. 112,222 49.5% Rob Quist Dem. 101,525 44.8 Mark Wicks Lib. 12,948 5.7 35% reporting (236 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 25, 2017, 10:30:45 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: ASSAULTERFORTE WINS
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Greg Gianforte Rep. 117,308 49.9% Rob Quist Dem. 104,119 44.3 Mark Wicks Lib. 13,572 5.8 42% reporting (284 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/25 - MT-AL) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 26, 2017, 01:55:26 PM Final Result:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Greg Gianforte Rep. 189,473 50.2% Rob Quist Dem. 166,483 44.1 Mark Wicks Lib. 21,509 5.7 100% reporting (681 of 681 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 26, 2017, 02:04:10 PM OP updated for the next election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Shameless Lefty Hack on May 27, 2017, 06:39:08 PM I'm really hearing nothing but confidence from the Gomez camp - the person I know has actually left the campaign and is working on stuff in the South rn.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 27, 2017, 11:26:07 PM I'm really hearing nothing but confidence from the Gomez camp - the person I know has actually left the campaign and is working on stuff in the South rn. Usually someone leaving a campaign is a bad sign... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on May 30, 2017, 06:46:50 PM SC-5 internal poll for Archie Parnell has him down 10 to Ralph Norman.
Quote The Democrat running for Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney’s vacant South Carolina House seat claims to be putting it into play, with an internal poll showing him 10 points down in an environment where Republicans are less likely to vote. A poll from Anzalone Liszt Grove Research, completed on May 25 and obtained by The Post, has Democrat Archie Parnell down by 10 points to Ralph Norman, a state legislator making his second run at the rural and suburban seat. That’s a six-point bump for Parnell since March, when he began running TV ads, and it’s closer than the margin in Mulvaney’s last few races or the last presidential elections in South Carolina’s 5th District. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/05/30/democratic-poll-party-has-a-shot-in-sleepy-south-carolina-race/?utm_term=.8681351baf1a Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Shameless Lefty Hack on May 30, 2017, 07:03:43 PM I'm really hearing nothing but confidence from the Gomez camp - the person I know has actually left the campaign and is working on stuff in the South rn. Usually someone leaving a campaign is a bad sign... It really depends. This is not one of those situations. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 30, 2017, 08:34:26 PM It won't surprise me if Archie Parnell matches the 44% showing Obama got in this seat in '12, but it would be a shock if he gets notably closer than that.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on June 05, 2017, 05:32:27 PM Great news, DCCC putting some money ($275,000) in SC-5 for Parnell.
http://www.postandcourier.com/news/national-democrats-making-modest-investment-in-south-carolina-race-to/article_69adf2f6-4a2b-11e7-8289-c776fc08cfce.html I've been talking to some people there, and they wouldn't have put this money in unless their internals had tightened, or if the GOP is spending money as well. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: GlobeSoc on June 05, 2017, 05:35:14 PM Great news, DCCC putting some money ($275,000) in SC-5 for Parnell. http://www.postandcourier.com/news/national-democrats-making-modest-investment-in-south-carolina-race-to/article_69adf2f6-4a2b-11e7-8289-c776fc08cfce.html I've been talking to some people there, and they wouldn't have put this money in unless their internals had tightened, or if the GOP is spending money as well. Even if I don't like him, having a dem in rural white south would be nice. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: windjammer on June 05, 2017, 05:44:12 PM Great news, DCCC putting some money ($275,000) in SC-5 for Parnell. http://www.postandcourier.com/news/national-democrats-making-modest-investment-in-south-carolina-race-to/article_69adf2f6-4a2b-11e7-8289-c776fc08cfce.html I've been talking to some people there, and they wouldn't have put this money in unless their internals had tightened, or if the GOP is spending money as well. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on June 05, 2017, 05:59:51 PM Great news, DCCC putting some money ($275,000) in SC-5 for Parnell. http://www.postandcourier.com/news/national-democrats-making-modest-investment-in-south-carolina-race-to/article_69adf2f6-4a2b-11e7-8289-c776fc08cfce.html I've been talking to some people there, and they wouldn't have put this money in unless their internals had tightened, or if the GOP is spending money as well. I have no expectations of him winning or coming that close, but a closer race would be good. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 03:27:28 PM Today is the CA-34 Runoff! Polls close at 11 EST.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_state/CA_Page_0606.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 06:00:44 PM NYT results page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/california-house-special-election-district-34
Polls close in 4 hours. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 10:00:27 PM Polls have closed in CA-34.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 10:21:48 PM First Results:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Democrat 9,441 50.4% Robert Ahn Democrat 9,285 49.6 1% reporting (1 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Technocracy Timmy on June 06, 2017, 10:22:22 PM http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-cd34-general-election-results/
Another good results page if anybody's wondering. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 10:52:16 PM Gah this vote count is depressingly slow.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Holmes on June 06, 2017, 10:58:48 PM The early vote in the jungle was pretty Ahn-leaning. Gomez should have this.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: DrScholl on June 06, 2017, 11:00:03 PM If I had to guess, there won't be a vote dump until around 1 am EST. The votes have to be driven into the county elections office in Norwalk, which is almost to the Orange County line. Los Angeles County is always slow in part to that.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on June 06, 2017, 11:08:59 PM Anh's a ConservaDem, no?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 11:18:53 PM Anh's a ConservaDem, no? He used to be a republican, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's a conservadem. Here are two other former republicans: () () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Holmes on June 06, 2017, 11:22:04 PM It's better to view this election through a racial lens, and not an ideological one.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 06, 2017, 11:44:23 PM With more votes finally in, Gomez continues to lead, but not by a lot:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Democrat 10,248 52.2% Robert Ahn Democrat 9,385 47.8 11% reporting (21 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on June 06, 2017, 11:58:02 PM Gomez is probably going to destroy with Election Day vote, build up a big lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: socaldem on June 07, 2017, 12:02:05 AM It's better to view this election through a racial lens, and not an ideological one. This is good news for progressive city councilman David Ryu who is ell-positioned for higher office as the Korean-American community in Los Angeles continues to flex its political muscles... Robert Ahn was a joke candidate. A real candidate with such strong support and engagement in the community could do well... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Figueira on June 07, 2017, 12:10:44 AM Anh's a ConservaDem, no? Compared to Gomez, he's the more moderate of the two, but he's still a fairly generic liberal, probably to the left of most Democrats. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 07, 2017, 12:12:30 AM Gomez may have this.
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Dem. 11,210 53.9% Robert Ahn Dem. 9,603 46.1 19% reporting (37 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on June 07, 2017, 12:14:43 AM Gomez may have this. May? He's going to win by like 20 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Figueira on June 07, 2017, 12:16:13 AM Way too early to call, but I'd be shocked if Ahn wins at this point.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 07, 2017, 12:29:22 AM Wulfric Projection: GOMEZ WINS
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Dem. 13,837 57.1% Robert Ahn Dem. 10,408 42.9 42% reporting (80 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 07, 2017, 12:44:33 AM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Dem. 16,856 58.5% Robert Ahn Dem. 11,961 41.5 73% reporting (140 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/6 - CA-34 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 07, 2017, 08:39:25 AM Final Results:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jimmy Gomez Dem. 19,761 60.1% Robert Ahn Dem. 13,108 39.9 100% reporting (192 of 192 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 07, 2017, 12:53:48 PM OP updated for the next event.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 11:00:30 AM Tonight, this thread will focus mostly on SC-5 results. GA-6 results will be primarily on the main thread for that race, although occasional updates will be posted here.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Virginiá on June 20, 2017, 01:33:21 PM Tonight, this thread will focus mostly on SC-5 results. GA-6 results will be primarily on the main thread for that race, although occasional updates will be posted here. What is your prediction for the final margins for SC-5? I looked back, and the best performance for the current district lines was in 2012, where the Democrat lost by around 11 points. Not that I expect a Republican loss here, but given everything we've seen in other districts, I'd have to think that a loss larger than 2012's margin would not be that great. That is, unless there is something about that election that I'm missing. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 01:57:54 PM ^ I expect the '08/'12 presidential result - R +11 - to be a good estimate.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 03:32:14 PM Anyway, links to the NYTimes and AP results plz? NYTimes results: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/georgia-congressional-runoff-ossoff-handel For South Carolina: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/south-carolina-house-special-election Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: windjammer on June 20, 2017, 05:59:29 PM So:
Ossoff wins by 0.1 point: THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOOMED, THE SENATE WILL FLIP. Handel wins by 0.1 point: THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER REGAIN THE HOUSE BECAUSE MUH HYPOCRIT SUBURBANS AND NON COLLEGE WHITES Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 06:01:38 PM Polls have closed
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Mr. Smith on June 20, 2017, 06:20:12 PM So: Ossoff wins by 0.1 point: THE REPUBLICANS ARE DOOMED, THE SENATE WILL FLIP. Handel wins by 0.1 point: THE DEMOCRATS WILL NEVER REGAIN THE HOUSE BECAUSE MUH HYPOCRIT SUBURBANS AND NON COLLEGE WHITES Or Handel wins by 0.1: Oh well, Ossoff still overperformed compared to the others that ran Ossoff wins by 0.1: Pfft, he barely won after all that, he's beatable in 2018 you guys! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: RogueBeaver on June 20, 2017, 06:21:05 PM WSJ's Reid Epstein: both sides tentatively expect Handel to eke it out. (https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/877304051435753472)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 06:32:49 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Archie Parnell Democrat 340 57.5% Ralph Norman Republican 245 41.5 Victor Kocher Libertarian 4 0.7 David Kulma Green 2 0.3 Josh Thornton American Party 0 0.0 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 06:44:33 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Archie Parnell Democrat 2,359 60.7% Ralph Norman Republican 1,503 38.7 Victor Kocher Libertarian 10 0.3 David Kulma Green 8 0.2 Josh Thornton American Party 5 0.1 3% reporting (9 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 06:56:59 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Archie Parnell Democrat 3,518 59.5% Ralph Norman Republican 2,364 40.0 David Kulma Green 12 0.2 Victor Kocher Libertarian 11 0.2 Josh Thornton American Party 6 0.1 5% reporting (19 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:04:44 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Ralph Norman Republican 8,634 50.9% Archie Parnell Democrat 8,160 48.1 Josh Thornton American Party 59 0.3 Victor Kocher Libertarian 51 0.3 David Kulma Green 49 0.3 14% reporting (51 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:08:03 PM 100% of the Early Vote is in, No Election Day Vote yet:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Jon Ossoff Democrat 58,152 50.7% Karen Handel Republican 56,619 49.3 <1% reporting (0 of 208 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:15:06 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Archie Parnell Democrat 14,650 50.0% Ralph Norman Republican 14,381 49.1 Josh Thornton American Party 108 0.4 Victor Kocher Libertarian 89 0.3 David Kulma Green 77 0.3 29% reporting (105 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:33:21 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Archie Parnell Democrat 24,393 50.5% Ralph Norman Republican 23,422 48.5 Josh Thornton American Party 181 0.4 David Kulma Green 133 0.3 Victor Kocher Libertarian 132 0.3 41% reporting (146 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:42:45 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Jon Ossoff Democrat 61,375 50.5% Karen Handel Republican 60,182 49.5 6% reporting (13 of 208 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:46:38 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Ralph Norman Republican 33,290 50.4% Archie Parnell Democrat 32,204 48.7 Josh Thornton American Party 242 0.4 Victor Kocher Libertarian 186 0.3 David Kulma Green 178 0.3 63% reporting (226 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 07:52:05 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: NORMAN WINS SC-5 SPECIAL
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Ralph Norman Republican 34,812 51.6% Archie Parnell Democrat 31,976 47.4 Josh Thornton American Party 248 0.4 Victor Kocher Libertarian 189 0.3 David Kulma Green 182 0.3 75% reporting (270 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 08:17:55 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: HANDEL WINS GA-6 SPECIAL
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Karen Handel Republican 84,462 51.6% Jon Ossoff Democrat 79,281 48.4 39% reporting (82 of 208 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/20 - SC-5+GA-6 Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 20, 2017, 10:50:40 PM FINAL RESULTS:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Karen Handel Republican 134,595 51.9% Jon Ossoff Democrat 124,893 48.1 100% reporting (208 of 208 precincts) CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Ralph Norman Republican 44,889 51.1% Archie Parnell Democrat 42,053 47.9 Josh Thornton American Party 319 0.4 Victor Kocher Libertarian 272 0.3 David Kulma Green 242 0.3 100% reporting (359 of 359 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Tender Branson on June 22, 2017, 02:11:54 AM Question:
Why was the AL Senate general election set for December and not for November, like all the other general elections (VA, NJ, UT-3) ? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 22, 2017, 03:15:11 AM Question: Why was the AL Senate general election set for December and not for November, like all the other general elections (VA, NJ, UT-3) ? Bentley set it for 2018, but when Ivey took over in May, she decided to change it. But by then, due to AL having primary runoffs, it was too late for a November general - federal law requires military ballots to be sent out like 7 weeks before the election, and the runoff is placed late enough under state law that the earliest allowable general is a December election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 09, 2017, 02:09:30 PM OP updated for next week's event.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Progressive on August 15, 2017, 06:37:02 AM Can Roy Moore seriously be senator? OMG
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: smoltchanov on August 15, 2017, 07:33:41 AM Can Roy Moore seriously be senator? OMG From Alabama? Easily... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 12:59:30 PM AL-SEN by county: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/AL_Page_0815.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS
UT-3 by county: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2017/by_county/UT_Page_0815.html?SITE=AP&SECTION=POLITICS (just change the 'by_county' in the url to 'by_state' to get the statewide totals only.) I will link the NYT page once it's up. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 04:42:28 PM NYT Alabama: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-primary
NYT Utah: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/utah-house-special-election-primary Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 07:05:10 PM Polls closed five minutes ago in AL, nothing in yet.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 07:06:35 PM Polls closed five minutes ago in AL, nothing in yet. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:08:15 PM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 07:11:46 PM Strange in 3rd place! Only 15 votes in, though LOL. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 07:14:12 PM Roy Moore
13 38.2% Luther Strange* 11 32.4 Trip Pittman 5 14.7 Mo Brooks 4 11.8 James Beretta 1 2.9 Robert Kennedy 15 55.6% Doug Jones 8 29.6 Will Boyd 1 3.7 Vann Caldwell 1 3.7 Michael Hansen 1 3.7 Brian McGee 1 3.7 <1% in, so take this with a YUGE grain of salt. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Gass3268 on August 15, 2017, 07:15:53 PM Ugh, why is the New York Times using different shades of the blue for the Democrats.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Gass3268 on August 15, 2017, 07:17:09 PM They switched Kennedy to green.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:19:03 PM Brooks in 4th, lol.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Canis on August 15, 2017, 07:21:01 PM Jones in the lead!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 07:22:03 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 88 47.8% Luther Strange* 58 31.5 Trip Pittman 16 8.7 Mo Brooks 15 8.2 Mary Maxwell 3 1.6 James Beretta 2 1.1 Randy Brinson 1 0.5 Dom Gentile 1 0.5 Joseph Breault 0 0.0 Bryan Peeples 0 0.0 <1% reporting (8 of 2,522 precincts) Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Doug Jones 97 67.8% Robert Kennedy 34 23.8 Michael Hansen 7 4.9 Brian McGee 3 2.1 Will Boyd 1 0.7 Vann Caldwell 1 0.7 Jason Fisher 0 0.0 Charles Nana 0 0.0 <1% reporting (9 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: McGovernForPrez on August 15, 2017, 07:23:31 PM It's happening!!! A Moore vs Jones is gonna happen!!!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:24:24 PM Wow, is Jones going to avoid a run-off?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Gass3268 on August 15, 2017, 07:24:43 PM Wow, Jones up huge in Jefferson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:25:32 PM No Blackbelt in yet, it'll close on the Dem side.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Canis on August 15, 2017, 07:27:17 PM Wow, is Jones going to avoid a run-off? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: TheSaint250 on August 15, 2017, 07:28:57 PM Kinda hoping for Kennedy all the way through. He would be a good addition to Congress.
But the downside is that this could allow Democrats to take control in 2018, so... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: brucejoel99 on August 15, 2017, 07:31:24 PM It's a Strange feeling waiting to see which candidate will get Moore votes.
I'm sorry. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 07:31:51 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 248 37.6% Luther Strange* 191 29.0 Mo Brooks 166 25.2 Trip Pittman 37 5.6 Randy Brinson 6 0.9 Mary Maxwell 5 0.8 Bryan Peeples 3 0.5 James Beretta 2 0.3 Dom Gentile 1 0.2 Joseph Breault 0 0.0 <1% reporting (11 of 2,522 precincts) Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Doug Jones 209 64.9% Robert Kennedy 55 17.1 Will Boyd 29 9.0 Michael Hansen 16 5.0 Brian McGee 7 2.2 Vann Caldwell 3 0.9 Jason Fisher 3 0.9 Charles Nana 0 0.0 <1% reporting (11 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:32:38 PM LET'S GO MO!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: TheSaint250 on August 15, 2017, 07:33:11 PM It's a Strange feeling waiting to see which candidate will get Moore votes. I'm sorry. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:33:50 PM I know it's early, but if Jones's numbers in Jefferson hold, I don't see how Kennedy can keep him under 50%, unless he absolutely destroys him in the Black Belt.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 15, 2017, 07:34:47 PM It's a Strange feeling waiting to see which candidate will get Moore votes. I'm sorry. And who has the Mo-mentum? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:35:24 PM I know it's early, but if Jones's numbers in Jefferson hold, I don't see how Kennedy can keep him under 50%, unless he absolutely destroys him in the Black Belt. Jones is now winning in Montgomery, which is Black Belt, still early but that's big for Jones. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: TheSaint250 on August 15, 2017, 07:35:51 PM It's a Strange feeling waiting to see which candidate will get Moore votes. I'm sorry. And who has the Mo-mentum? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Gass3268 on August 15, 2017, 07:36:56 PM I know it's early, but if Jones's numbers in Jefferson hold, I don't see how Kennedy can keep him under 50%, unless he absolutely destroys him in the Black Belt. Jones is getting a good margin out Montgomery County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GlobeSoc on August 15, 2017, 07:37:19 PM What's colbert county doing on the dem side?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: TheSaint250 on August 15, 2017, 07:37:29 PM Bold prediction:
Brooks comes in 1st tonight, defeats Moore in the runoff by 20%, leaving Strange in a...Strange situation (sorry I had to do it as well). Brooks then defeats Jones by at least 50% because, as GeorgiaModerate said, Mo-mentum. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Ebsy on August 15, 2017, 07:38:19 PM What's colbert county doing on the dem side? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 07:40:17 PM Why can't the south count votes quickly?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 15, 2017, 07:42:19 PM There was some heavy rain in southern Alabama during the day, which might depress turnout there relative to the rest of the state. Who would this help/hurt?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Ebsy on August 15, 2017, 07:43:59 PM There was some heavy rain in southern Alabama during the day, which might depress turnout there relative to the rest of the state. Who would this help/hurt? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:45:16 PM I'm going to predict that Jones has got this without a run-off. The Republican side looks interesting, though, and I wouldn't count Brooks out yet.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: DrScholl on August 15, 2017, 07:46:56 PM What's colbert county doing on the dem side? That candidate is a minister in Florence. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Ebsy on August 15, 2017, 07:48:12 PM What's colbert county doing on the dem side? That candidate is a minister in Florence. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:49:10 PM Limestone dump puts Brooks in second...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 07:49:21 PM BROOKS IN SECOND!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Matty on August 15, 2017, 07:50:26 PM Where are you guys following results?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:50:52 PM Where are you guys following results? https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-primary Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Ebsy on August 15, 2017, 07:53:15 PM Pretty obvious that it will be Strange and Moore, and Moore will win the runoff.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: DrScholl on August 15, 2017, 07:53:30 PM What's colbert county doing on the dem side? That candidate is a minister in Florence. Florence is incredibly close to the county line, so it is a fairly general area. Checking maps is a good thing to do. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 15, 2017, 07:55:01 PM Pretty obvious that it will be Strange and Moore, and Moore will win the runoff. Well, Stranger things have happened. :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Nyvin on August 15, 2017, 07:56:43 PM It kind of looks like Brooks is taking Strange's Huntsville vote in just the perfect way that could deny him a runoff possibly.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 07:59:04 PM I want to watch what happens in Jefferson county before making any run-off predictions. Strange could get a big boost from there.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on August 15, 2017, 08:05:58 PM Decision Desk HQ projects Jones will win the Dem nomination.
https://twitter.com/DecisionDeskHQ/status/897623149176647681 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:06:44 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: JONES WINS DEM PRIMARY W/OUT RUNOFF
Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Doug Jones 14,410 64.7% Outright Winner Robert Kennedy 4,089 18.4 Michael Hansen 1,618 7.3 Will Boyd 1,124 5.0 Jason Fisher 497 2.2 Brian McGee 191 0.9 Charles Nana 179 0.8 Vann Caldwell 168 0.8 12% reporting (295 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:07:34 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 20,995 38.5% Luther Strange* 17,239 31.6 Mo Brooks 11,883 21.8 Trip Pittman 3,427 6.3 Randy Brinson 465 0.9 Bryan Peeples 194 0.4 Mary Maxwell 183 0.3 James Beretta 121 0.2 Dom Gentile 38 0.1 Joseph Breault 29 0.1 15% reporting (366 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: libertpaulian on August 15, 2017, 08:07:49 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:08:45 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? Only if Moore wins the runoff. It's certainly good that he has the democratic party united behind him, but that's not enough on its own. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:11:39 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? Maybe if Strange wins the runoff, but I doubt it will happen. Moore is objectively the weaker GE candidate. ---------- Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 26,043 38.9% Luther Strange* 21,395 31.9 Mo Brooks 14,384 21.5 Trip Pittman 3,967 5.9 Randy Brinson 520 0.8 Bryan Peeples 230 0.3 Mary Maxwell 216 0.3 James Beretta 146 0.2 Dom Gentile 48 0.1 Joseph Breault 33 0.0 17% reporting (426 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 08:12:18 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? I think the best case scenario for him is a KS-04 redux. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on August 15, 2017, 08:12:47 PM Wow black voters are really pro establishment.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on August 15, 2017, 08:13:50 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? I think the best case scenario for him is a KS-04 redux. A bit of, you know, money could make a difference this time. ;) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 08:15:06 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? I think the best case scenario for him is a KS-04 redux. A bit of, you know, money could make a difference this time. ;) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on August 15, 2017, 08:15:44 PM Does Jones have at least a slight hint of a prayer? I think the best case scenario for him is a KS-04 redux. A bit of, you know, money could make a difference this time. ;) Ok, you've got a point there. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:18:43 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: MOORE TO FINISH FIRST
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 33,725 40.7% Will Finish First Luther Strange* 25,864 31.2 Mo Brooks 17,114 20.6 Trip Pittman 4,756 5.7 Randy Brinson 600 0.7 Bryan Peeples 284 0.3 Mary Maxwell 269 0.3 James Beretta 174 0.2 Dom Gentile 54 0.1 Joseph Breault 40 0.0 21% reporting (525 of 2,522 precincts) Waiting on the rest of Huntsville for spot #2. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Anna Komnene on August 15, 2017, 08:22:04 PM I wonder if the national GOP will sink a bunch of cash into the runoff to try to save Strange or just drop him like its hot.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 08:22:32 PM Moore probably bests strange in the runoff 55-45
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Matty on August 15, 2017, 08:24:10 PM Why are people assuming brooks and all the other voters wil switch to Moore in runoff?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Canis on August 15, 2017, 08:25:12 PM wow the polls were way off on the democratic side Go Jones hes in the lead in every county except 2
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 08:25:27 PM Why are people assuming brooks and all the other voters wil switch to Moore in runoff? People who vote for Brooks and the others would tend to be disgusted with Establishment candidates or more Libertarian leaning, I think they'd rather vote for Moore than someone as corrupt and bland as Strange. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Pandaguineapig on August 15, 2017, 08:25:31 PM I wonder if the national GOP will sink a bunch of cash into the runoff to try to save Strange or just drop him like its hot. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:26:55 PM wow the polls were way off on the democratic side Go Jones hes in the lead in every county except 2 Jones communicated to voters in the final week that Kennedy had no relation to the famous kennedys. A number of voters got an impression there was a relation when they first heard of the name being on the ballot. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Young Conservative on August 15, 2017, 08:27:31 PM Why are people assuming brooks and all the other voters wil switch to Moore in runoff? People who vote for Brooks and the others would tend to be disgusted with Establishment candidates or more Libertarian leaning, I think they'd rather vote for Moore than someone as corrupt and bland as Strange. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:28:12 PM Republican Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 47,783 41.4% Will Finish First Luther Strange* 36,124 31.3 Mo Brooks 22,048 19.1 Trip Pittman 6,765 5.9 Randy Brinson 879 0.8 Bryan Peeples 583 0.5 Mary Maxwell 557 0.5 James Beretta 329 0.3 Joseph Breault 237 0.2 Dom Gentile 174 0.2 32% reporting (808 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 08:28:33 PM There was a poll showing Kennedy +21. Right now it's Jones +47. Just wow.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GlobeSoc on August 15, 2017, 08:29:22 PM It seems to me that Huntsville doesn't have the votes to get Brooks into 2nd
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: MT Treasurer on August 15, 2017, 08:29:40 PM Turnout/Total number of votes so far:
R - 115,479 votes D - 47,924 votes Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: DrScholl on August 15, 2017, 08:30:12 PM It looks like it's over on the Republican side, one of Brooks only three counties flipped over to Moore. It's a Moore-Strange runoff.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 08:30:24 PM The disproportionately better areas for Brooks have come in already and he's still in a distant third. This going to be Strange vs. Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Anna Komnene on August 15, 2017, 08:30:29 PM wow the polls were way off on the democratic side Go Jones hes in the lead in every county except 2 In hindsight, I think the polls failed to take into account that RFK Jr probably had no organization whatsoever. If you wanna win, you gotta make sure your voters know when the election is and get them to the polls. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 08:30:43 PM It's Moore v Strange.
Endorsing Moore, Strange would make it Lean R imo, Moore may be disgusting but he can get the base out. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Young Conservative on August 15, 2017, 08:31:08 PM The disproportionately better areas for Brooks have come in already and he's still in a distant third. This going to be Strange vs. Moore. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on August 15, 2017, 08:33:55 PM What did I say about jones earlier today? BOOM! As for the GOP primary, I am shocked, Luther is getting deconstructed by Moore. Probably going to a runoff, and I think I have changed my mind, Moore might actually win it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Mike Thick on August 15, 2017, 08:35:39 PM There was a poll showing Kennedy +21. Right now it's Jones +47. Just wow. It makes sense -- people who don't know anything about the race are going to support a guy with a famous name, but those who actually go out to vote in these special elections are going to be somewhat more familiar with the candidates. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:36:47 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: MOORE/STRANGE RUNOFF
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 64,795 41.2% Will Finish First Luther Strange* 49,887 31.7 Mo Brooks 30,130 19.2 Trip Pittman 8,741 5.6 Randy Brinson 1,237 0.8 Bryan Peeples 765 0.5 Mary Maxwell 759 0.5 James Beretta 431 0.3 Joseph Breault 285 0.2 Dom Gentile 215 0.1 42% reporting (1,053 of 2,522 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:37:28 PM That wraps up Alabama. Utah polls close in 23 minutes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on August 15, 2017, 08:38:20 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: MOORE/STRANGE RUNOFF We can now state with confidence that no state is more strange than Alabama. :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 08:38:24 PM Jonathan Martin @jmartNYT
Strange folks had been nervous, worried Moore could surprise w 50. Sigh of relief now Not cocky about runoff, but at least in game https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/897632355569020928 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 08:41:35 PM Also, Brooks has no reason to support McConnell's candidate. Could he endorse Moore? Less than half of his vote percentage would be needed to get Moore over 50%.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:42:26 PM Apparently the NY Times is being very cautious with their calls again... There is a general line of most cautious to least cautious on these election nights: 1. NYT 2. DDHQ 3. Me 4. Rest of Atlas Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 08:45:10 PM AP/NYT finally calls the democratic primary for Jones, who is crushing 61-19 with half the vote in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on August 15, 2017, 08:45:52 PM AP/NYT finally calls the democratic primary for Jones, who is crushing 61-19 with half the vote in. I knew CNN was wrong, and I even said it earlier today! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 08:59:55 PM NYT calls runoff for Moore and Strange.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 09:00:45 PM And AP/NYT now calls the Moore/Strange Runoff. Moore is leading 41-32-20. I beat them on this call by 23 minutes, and DDHQ beat them by 7 minutes. (Call was made at 9:59 ET)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 09:01:39 PM Polls have closed in the UT-3 R primary.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: The Other Castro on August 15, 2017, 09:03:56 PM Post-primary PredictIt odds going into the GOP runoff: Moore 70% chance of victory over Strange.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Chief Justice Keef on August 15, 2017, 09:06:58 PM Via DecisionDeskHQ
John Curtis (Republican) 39.1% 5,341 Tanner Ainge (Republican) 31.8% 4,339 Chris Herrod (Republican) 29.1% 3,969 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Cactus Jack on August 15, 2017, 09:08:21 PM Via DecisionDeskHQ John Curtis (Republican) 39.1% 5,341 Tanner Ainge (Republican) 31.8% 4,339 Chris Herrod (Republican) 29.1% 3,969 I'll be able to sleep well tonight if that nationalist maniac stays in third place. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on August 15, 2017, 09:11:15 PM Well UT-3 sure was quick Curtis vs Allen.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: _ on August 15, 2017, 09:14:55 PM I just googled this Curtis guy and found a little blurb on him.
Mayor of Provo. During his last few years in office, He averaged an approval rating of 93%. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 09:15:06 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: CURTIS WINS UT-3 R PRIMARY
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. John Curtis 17,064 43.8% Christopher Herrod 11,310 29.0 Tanner Ainge 10,575 27.2 46% reporting (264 of 579 precincts) That was quick. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Ye We Can on August 15, 2017, 09:24:01 PM I just googled this Curtis guy and found a little blurb on him. Mayor of Provo. During his last few years in office, He averaged an approval rating of 93%. A county head like 17 years ago. I think Trump supported Dems much more recently, eh? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Cactus Jack on August 15, 2017, 09:28:26 PM I just googled this Curtis guy and found a little blurb on him. Mayor of Provo. During his last few years in office, He averaged an approval rating of 93%. Fmr. head of the Democratic Party in Utah. I think the opinions of his constituents matter more than yours, champ. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Fudotei on August 15, 2017, 09:33:54 PM The favorable ratings have been saying Moore's a stronger candidate than Strange for a good while now, fwiw
John Curtis is the quintessential Utah candidate -- well liked, smart, Republican, Business Administration, six kids -- so I expect him to breeze right by. He's what Utah elects all the time and he's paid the dues to do it. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Cactus Jack on August 15, 2017, 09:34:59 PM John Curtis is the quintessential Utah candidate -- well liked, smart, Republican, Business Administration, six kids -- so I expect him to breeze right by. He's what Utah elects all the time and he's paid the dues to do it. Basically. I'm starting to think that Mike Lee was a cosmic fluke. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Anna Komnene on August 15, 2017, 09:44:30 PM John Curtis is the quintessential Utah candidate -- well liked, smart, Republican, Business Administration, six kids -- so I expect him to breeze right by. He's what Utah elects all the time and he's paid the dues to do it. Yeah, he seems a lot like Jon Huntsman in style and presentation. If I had to imagine someone representing Utah, that would probably be it. Conservative but very community service oriented. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on August 15, 2017, 10:00:21 PM Since whoever wins utah 3rd gop primary essentially wins the general, I am rooting hard for John Curtis! Definately the best out of the 3 by far, and overall is actually mediocre. Kind of like I am (to no avail) supporting Strange only in the gop primary, as whoever wins that wins the generals. And frankly he is the best out of the worst there too, but bad overall.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Xing on August 15, 2017, 10:05:49 PM UT-3 could do much worse than Curtis.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself on August 15, 2017, 10:18:41 PM Why did a former bass player for Evanescence win two counties on the D side?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: KingSweden on August 15, 2017, 10:26:52 PM It's rare that you actually upgrade during a GOP primary. Curtis seems a marked improvement over Chaffetz
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Matty on August 15, 2017, 10:44:55 PM Luther Strange seemed to to better in the suburbs than polls had indicated.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: MAINEiac4434 on August 15, 2017, 10:45:35 PM Lol at Tanner "I'm only famous because my dad played in the NBA" Ainge finishing third.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Cactus Jack on August 15, 2017, 10:47:08 PM It's rare that you actually upgrade during a GOP primary. Curtis seems a marked improvement over Chaffetz He's unarguably a better human being, if nothing else. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 15, 2017, 11:05:40 PM AP/NYT finally calls UT-3 for Curtis.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on August 16, 2017, 01:15:51 AM After over 6 hours of waiting, Jefferson county finally had another larger vote dump, went from roughly 50% reporting for both to 85% reporting for both, This increased Jone's already overwhelming margin, and is also bringing Strange closer to Moore. Right now state wide it is Moore 39% and Strange 33%. Not nearly enough left to put Strange in first, but still possibly enough to make it a not as embarassing second place finish, with hopes of still winning the runoff.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: smoltchanov on August 16, 2017, 01:33:41 AM It's rare that you actually upgrade during a GOP primary. Curtis seems a marked improvement over Chaffetz +1. Pragmatic conservative is the best you can get from this district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: nclib on August 16, 2017, 09:29:47 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GlobeSoc on August 16, 2017, 09:53:02 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: smoltchanov on August 16, 2017, 10:01:21 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GlobeSoc on August 16, 2017, 10:10:35 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... I was thinking of one with percentages in each county Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Tender Branson on August 16, 2017, 10:19:42 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... I was thinking of one with percentages in each county That's what you get if you mouse over the NYT county map ... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: GlobeSoc on August 16, 2017, 10:36:52 AM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... I was thinking of one with percentages in each county That's what you get if you mouse over the NYT county map ... Visually, like with different shades of the same color for the strength of their vote share. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: JMT on August 16, 2017, 11:54:17 AM UT-3 could do much worse than Curtis. They certainly did worse with Chaffetz! Curtis will be much better Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: JMT on August 16, 2017, 11:59:35 AM John Curtis is the quintessential Utah candidate -- well liked, smart, Republican, Business Administration, six kids -- so I expect him to breeze right by. He's what Utah elects all the time and he's paid the dues to do it. Basically. I'm starting to think that Mike Lee was a cosmic fluke. Agreed. Bob Bennett didn't take his reelection seriously, and 2010 was a "tea party" wave around the country. Bennett wasn't even voted out in a primary, but rather he didn't make it past the State Republican Convention. These state conventions tend to have party "purists" who are ultra-conservative, and this allowed Mike Lee to make it to the primary. If Lee had to face Bennett in an actual primary (like how Chris Herrod had to compete with Ainge and Curtis in a primary despite being the choice of the delegates), Bennett very well could have won reelection (I suppose this is impossible to know for sure, but he likely would have had a better chance in a primary instead of at a convention) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 16, 2017, 06:37:32 PM Final Results:
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 164,524 38.9% Luther Strange* 138,971 32.8 Mo Brooks 83,287 19.7 Trip Pittman 29,124 6.9 Randy Brinson 2,621 0.6 Bryan Peeples 1,579 0.4 Mary Maxwell 1,543 0.4 James Beretta 1,078 0.3 Dom Gentile 303 0.1 Joseph Breault 252 0.1 100% reporting (2,522 of 2,522 precincts) Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Doug Jones 109,105 66.1% Robert Kennedy 29,215 17.7 Michael Hansen 11,105 6.7 Will Boyd 8,010 4.9 Jason Fisher 3,478 2.1 Brian McGee 1,450 0.9 Charles Nana 1,404 0.9 Vann Caldwell 1,239 0.8 100% reporting (2,522 of 2,522 precincts) Total R Vote: 423,232 (71.9%) Total D Vote: 165,606 (28.1%) Turnout: 588,838 ------ CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. John Curtis 26,073 40.5% Christopher Herrod 20,007 31.1 Tanner Ainge 18,232 28.3 91% reporting (525 of 579 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/15 - AL-SEN & UT-3 Primaries) Post by: nclib on August 16, 2017, 06:39:30 PM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... I was thinking of one with percentages in each county That's what you get if you mouse over the NYT county map ... Do you have a link to that? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on August 16, 2017, 06:47:45 PM Is there an AL-Sen county map? On NY Times page, i think... I was thinking of one with percentages in each county That's what you get if you mouse over the NYT county map ... Do you have a link to that? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 19, 2017, 11:42:59 PM UT-3 Final Results:
Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Young Conservative on August 21, 2017, 01:45:15 PM UT-3 Final Results: Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: smoltchanov on August 22, 2017, 03:17:00 AM UT-3 Final Results: Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Not sad. There are more then enough right-wingers in Congress already Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 19, 2017, 09:28:40 PM OP updated with basic information on next week's election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Badger on September 19, 2017, 10:25:36 PM UT-3 Final Results: Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Not sad. There are more then enough right-wingers in Congress already Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Young Conservative on September 26, 2017, 12:57:00 PM UT-3 Final Results: Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Not sad. There are more then enough right-wingers in Congress already Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ye We Can on September 26, 2017, 05:25:11 PM UT-3 Final Results: Candidate % Popular Vote Popular Vote JOHN CURTIS 43.27% 29733 CHRISTOPHER NILES HERROD 32.24% 22157 TANNER AINGE 24.49% 16831 Not sad. There are more then enough right-wingers in Congress already How is having main line conservative positions not conservative? What is this double think Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 05:26:22 PM Polls close at 8 ET tonight in Alabama. Results page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/senate-special-election-primary-runoff-alabama
(I will not be on as much as usual tonight, but will update as I am able. All of my updates will be on this thread.) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Progressive on September 26, 2017, 06:59:19 PM Any idea which counties to look for tonight?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:00:15 PM Any idea which counties to look for tonight? () https://twitter.com/ZacMcCrary/status/912680161275006978 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Canis on September 26, 2017, 07:08:59 PM a precinct from mobile is in 54-45 for strange
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:10:31 PM a precinct from mobile is in 54-45 for strange It's a landslide folks Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:11:58 PM Strange leads by 1 vote: 262-261.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Kamala on September 26, 2017, 07:12:02 PM BIG dump has BIG Luther leading by 1 vote.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Anna Komnene on September 26, 2017, 07:13:01 PM It'll be interesting to see I guess! Low turnout. Senate GOP dumped MILLIONS to try to save Strange, so maybe GOTV could help him. But OTOH yuge enthusiasm gap seems to give Moore the big advantage for people that actually go to the polls without being nagged into doing it by campaigns. I'm leaning toward Moore winning.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Canis on September 26, 2017, 07:13:20 PM Strange leads by 1 vote: 262-261. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:13:40 PM 5 precincts in so far
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: _ on September 26, 2017, 07:16:20 PM EXACTLY 1 VOTE
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:18:07 PM I keep refreshing it to see if it has changed Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Hydera on September 26, 2017, 07:18:14 PM flipped now to.... Roy moore leading with one vote.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Oryxslayer on September 26, 2017, 07:18:25 PM Moore now ahead by 1 vote! We got ourselves a nailbiter hear folks!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: _ on September 26, 2017, 07:18:53 PM Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: rbt48 on September 26, 2017, 07:19:18 PM Does the Associated Press have a results page for Alabama tonight?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Canis on September 26, 2017, 07:20:50 PM Moore now ahead by 1 vote! We got ourselves a nailbiter hear folks! Fake news guys we all know theirs only 5 precincts in alabama that sixth one was made up by the liberal media Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:21:40 PM Moore up around 20 now
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:24:01 PM Roy Moore
491 56.1% Luther Strange* 384 43.9 <1% reporting (9 of 2,286 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:24:14 PM 3 new precincts. Moore up 56-43% and around 100 votes
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 07:25:55 PM If I am Luther Strange I do not like any of these numbers whatsoever.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Matty on September 26, 2017, 07:27:27 PM If I am Luther Strange I do not like any of these numbers whatsoever. Too early to tell Barely anything in from big cities Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:28:10 PM Yea he will need major city Martins if he wants any chance to win
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: MT Treasurer on September 26, 2017, 07:30:00 PM Still early, but not looking good for Strange at all so far. Obviously no surprise, though.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:31:37 PM This looks horrible for Strange, should be a very early night.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: varesurgent on September 26, 2017, 07:32:19 PM Found results and live projections here http://politicaledu.org/alabama-senate-primary-special-election-results-predictions/
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Matty on September 26, 2017, 07:33:40 PM This looks horrible for Strange, should be a very early night. Way too earthly to tell Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:36:23 PM This looks horrible for Strange, should be a very early night. Way too earthly to tell I have been told that I am a very grounded person, thank you. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:37:36 PM Moore still holding more then 13% with 2% in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Matty on September 26, 2017, 07:37:50 PM Margin is narrowing a bit
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on September 26, 2017, 07:38:25 PM This looks horrible for Strange, should be a very early night. Way too earthly to tell I have been told that I am a very grounded person, thank you. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:38:36 PM It should narrow if any of those city precincts in Mobile and Montgomery come in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:40:25 PM Narrowed to 53-46
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 07:41:07 PM Result of a big chunk of Montgomery coming in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:42:42 PM Moore pulling back up again:
Roy Moore 8,814 54.6% Luther Strange* 7,317 45.4 4% reporting (85 of 2,286 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Matty on September 26, 2017, 07:44:32 PM How are the candidates doing in their benchmarks?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 07:45:43 PM Strange seems to be doing really well in the three biggest cities, but terribly everywhere else. Let's see about Huntsville County, Tuscaloosa County, and Lee County when they come in (and if margins hold with more Mobile precincts).
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 07:46:44 PM Lee County (Auburn) is starting to come in at 52-48 Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:47:39 PM Lee County (Auburn) is starting to come in at 52-48 Moore. Benchmarks said Strange needed to win Lee County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 07:51:12 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 20,928 56.5% Luther Strange* 16,141 43.5 7% reporting (162 of 2,286 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: jman123 on September 26, 2017, 07:51:50 PM I think Moore has this
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:52:10 PM Roy Moore
25,976 57.4% Luther Strange* 19,273 42.6 9% reporting (207 of 2,286 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Matty on September 26, 2017, 07:52:41 PM Moore is up 19 points in limestone county with 90% in
What were benchmarks there? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 07:56:02 PM Moore is up 19 points in limestone county with 90% in What were benchmarks there? Strange needed to make it pretty much a tie. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 07:56:07 PM Really waiting on numbers from Tuscaloosa and Shelby County (the well-off Birmingham suburbs) before being too confident
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Pragmatic Conservative on September 26, 2017, 07:56:23 PM Moore is up 19 points in limestone county with 90% in What were benchmarks there? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Gass3268 on September 26, 2017, 07:57:01 PM Dave Wasserman called it for Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 07:57:06 PM What sites are you guys looking at here for these numbers?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:57:16 PM Strange more then 60% in Jefferson but can he maintain it with so much precincts left
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:57:41 PM What sites are you guys looking at here for these numbers? NYT Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 07:58:19 PM Moore winning Montgomery. It's over. not even close.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 07:58:30 PM In Hale County (just south of Tuscaloosa), Strange is literally up 4-2 right now.`
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Gass3268 on September 26, 2017, 07:58:50 PM Oh man, Moore is now ahead in Montgomery County.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 07:58:55 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 36,134 58.1% Luther Strange* 26,072 41.9 13% reporting (308 of 2,286 precincts) Moore leading in Montgomery. Unless there's a surprise in Huntsville, this is over. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 07:59:30 PM Moore winning Montgomery. It's over. not even close. Hey. It's still early and lots of precints left in the county but I agree it doesn't look good for Strange so far Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 07:59:53 PM Limestone 100% in at 58.7% Moore
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ye We Can on September 26, 2017, 07:59:57 PM Vote dump in Montgomery puts Moore ahead-ouch for Strange
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: jman123 on September 26, 2017, 08:00:02 PM Moore is really overperforming
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:00:52 PM It's pretty much over, congrats (likely) Senator-elect Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: MT Treasurer on September 26, 2017, 08:00:59 PM Moore up big in Baldwin County.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 08:01:11 PM What sites are you guys looking at here for these numbers? NYT Thanks! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:01:23 PM Let's just wait till Huntsville.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:01:47 PM Ironic, the Roy Moore victory party is streaming the NYT results page.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:04:04 PM Also I suspect new returns in Mobile and Jefferson to bring down Moore but unless Strange overperforms in the city county's and Huntsville he will have a hard time winning
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:05:19 PM Talladega completely in at 53-47 Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:05:25 PM DDHQ calls it:
Decision Desk HQ @DecisionDeskHQ 1 minute ago Projection: Roy Moore wins the #ALSen R runoff. Will go on to face Doug Jones (D) in the general election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Maxwell on September 26, 2017, 08:05:39 PM ahahahahahahahahahahaha
MY BOY ROY BOUT TO DO IT Luther Strange deserves this 100%. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:06:12 PM DDHQ calls it for Moore
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:07:00 PM Moore probably on track to win by double digits.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 08:07:10 PM Strange seems to be doing really well in the three biggest cities, but terribly everywhere else. Let's see about Madison County Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: varesurgent on September 26, 2017, 08:07:48 PM Woof. Most recent vote drop might kill Strange's chances. http://politicaledu.org/alabama-senate-primary-special-election-results-predictions/
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:07:52 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 57,320 58.5% Luther Strange* 40,601 41.5 22% reporting (500 of 2,286 precincts) I will wait for Huntsville, but this is looking ugly for Strange. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Kamala on September 26, 2017, 08:08:16 PM The Burned Bridges of Madison County, starring Luther Strange.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: MT Treasurer on September 26, 2017, 08:08:18 PM There are still lots of votes left to be counted in Moore-friendly areas, which should more than make up for any possible Strange gains in the more urban areas. This can be called for Moore now IMO.
Also, regardless of what you think of Moore or Strange or who you support in this race, it's nice to see that money can't buy all elections and that even candidates who get outspent like 10 to 1 can win fairly easily. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:08:28 PM I wouldn't call it but Strange isn't doing good or underperforming with almost a quarter in
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 08:09:17 PM Humiliating defeat for Mitch McConnell.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:09:49 PM He's a crazy guy, but Moore deserved 100% to win this race, and he has earned this win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Anna Komnene on September 26, 2017, 08:09:56 PM Senate Leadership Fund as we speak:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:11:13 PM Mobile is still only 1 precinct in so there is still a lot of votes for him there but probally is not enough along with Jefferson
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Beet on September 26, 2017, 08:13:07 PM The Burned Bridges of Madison County, starring Luther Strange. That was Iowa. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Don Vito Corleone on September 26, 2017, 08:13:21 PM Goodnight Big Luther Sad that we’re likely seeing a Senator Moore. Here’s to hoping Jones can pull a hat trick. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:13:38 PM Montgomery now 82% in with Moore at 52.3%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:14:29 PM Montgomery now 82% in with Moore at 52.3% Yea that's not good. He should be leading at least double digits by now if he wants a chance. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on September 26, 2017, 08:14:47 PM Senate Leadership Fund as we speak: () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:14:50 PM Senate Leadership Fund concedes that Moore has won:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:15:21 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 78,837 57.9% Luther Strange* 57,347 42.1 32% reporting (731 of 2,286 precincts) I will not make a call without Huntsville in. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:15:56 PM DDHQ says he has almost tied Jefferson County (Birmingham), but NYT doesn't have that at all.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:16:02 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 78,837 57.9% Luther Strange* 57,347 42.1 32% reporting (731 of 2,286 precincts) I will not make a call without Huntsville in. This race has been over for a while now. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on September 26, 2017, 08:16:42 PM Strange is loosing Shelby County now its over.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:16:46 PM Moore leading in Tuscaloosa and he has now flipped Mobile as well.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:16:54 PM DDHQ says he has almost tied Jefferson County (Birmingham), but NYT doesn't have that at all. DDHQ has different sources for results Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: jman123 on September 26, 2017, 08:17:15 PM Roy Moore Leads mobile
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:17:28 PM Moore now leading in Mobile. Luther is done.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: MT Treasurer on September 26, 2017, 08:17:34 PM Moore up in Shelby County as well. Looking like a Blanching.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Canis on September 26, 2017, 08:17:51 PM MOBILE FLIPPED ITS OVER
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:18:11 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: MOORE WINS
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 86,817 57.6% Luther Strange* 63,953 42.4 35% reporting (803 of 2,286 precincts) Strange is dead without mobile. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Kamala on September 26, 2017, 08:18:38 PM The Burned Bridges of Madison County, starring Luther Strange. That was Iowa. Yes, but Huntsville is in Madison County, Alabama, which Strange needed to win. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on September 26, 2017, 08:19:19 PM Dang, Moore flipped Mobile!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: jman123 on September 26, 2017, 08:19:35 PM I feel I can call this for moore
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:19:43 PM And Huntsville was suppose to be the deciding factor. Looks like he will lose before they even before we get results from there
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:20:09 PM The biggest question right now is whether Jefferson will be Strange's only county
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:21:12 PM It may be given the strong trend the rural county's are haven towards Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:22:49 PM Strange actually slightly leading in Madison County, 52-48
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:23:10 PM Strange leading in Huntsville but it probably won't matter
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Kamala on September 26, 2017, 08:23:40 PM Congrats to the Ayatollah of Alabama.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:23:59 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 102,945 56.9% Luther Strange* 77,945 43.1 41% reporting (944 of 2,286 precincts) Huntsville going for Strange, but not enough without mobile. My earlier projection stands; Moore has this. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:24:24 PM Congrats to the Ayatollah of Alabama. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Maxwell on September 26, 2017, 08:25:00 PM It probably didn't help Strange that Trump god damn humiliated him the day before the election. Or his poor debate performance. or how he got the Senate seat in the first place.
But to be fair, Roy Moore is a juggernaut in a way that Strange wasn't going to be able to compete with. He was the fringe before the fringe was cool. Now fringe is hip and Moore is a super star to his people. Moore's ratings are very favorable among a certain segment of the GOP - and that segment is growing. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Oryxslayer on September 26, 2017, 08:25:24 PM Moore presently leading in Shelby - one of Strange's big vote bases in the first round.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:26:44 PM NYT calls it for Moore
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: KingSweden on September 26, 2017, 08:27:40 PM Congrats to the Ayatollah of Alabama. Ugh. Moore is a disgrace who should be nowhere near elective office let alone the friggin' US Senate. He was too extreme for Bill Pryor. Ayatollah of Alabama indeed Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:28:48 PM Calhoun County flips to Moore. Strange now has only Birmingham, Huntsville, and some random county with one precinct with only 6 votes.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:29:29 PM And then it was 3
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Other Castro on September 26, 2017, 08:30:14 PM AP calls it for Moore.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 08:30:44 PM And then it was 3 ? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Lord Admirale on September 26, 2017, 08:30:56 PM Me irl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ztJUUoqZyE :P Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:31:10 PM And then it was 3 ? Counties for Strange Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:31:21 PM And then it was 3 ? 3 county's for Strange now Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:32:22 PM Sean Hannity has just said Moore won so it's true
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Fudotei on September 26, 2017, 08:32:29 PM Luther Strange/Mitch McConnell are on track to spend over a million dollars per county while managing to lose to a man who wants to recriminalize homosexuality.
Mitch McConnell is a toxic animal. No wonder nothing's been passed. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:33:21 PM Lee County (Auburn and Opelika) in and Moore barely wins it, at 51.6%.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:36:00 PM More then half of precints are now reported
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Heisenberg on September 26, 2017, 08:38:12 PM YES!!! Moore Wins, he has the checkmark on NYT! Go Moore!
#NeverStrange #DefeatCorruption Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: SNJ1985 on September 26, 2017, 08:38:22 PM AP calls it for Moore. Excellent! Great job, Alabama! :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 08:40:55 PM And then it was 3 ? 3 county's for Strange now Ah, thanks. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on September 26, 2017, 08:41:38 PM One GIGANTIC leap BACKWARDS for America. Christ, a man who openly discriminates against the LGBT community, denies evolution, an avid bible-thumper, and an active proponent of the birther community is about to become a senator. Even Marine Le Pen would be horrified.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 08:42:03 PM One GIGANTIC leap BACKWARDS for America. Christ, a man who openly discriminates against the LGBT community, denies evolution, an avid bible-thumper, and an active proponent of the birther community is about to become a senator. Even Marine Le Pen would be horrified. And I'll just post this here as well: https://dougjonesforsenate.com/ :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Don Vito Corleone on September 26, 2017, 08:42:52 PM I wonder if McConnell will retire in 2020.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:44:55 PM Shelby flips back to Strange with about 65% of the vote in
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 08:45:05 PM One GIGANTIC leap BACKWARDS for America. Christ, a man who openly discriminates against the LGBT community, denies evolution, an avid bible-thumper, and an active proponent of the birther community is about to become a senator. Even Marine Le Pen would be horrified. What's wrong with this? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 08:47:45 PM Hale flips to Moore as it comes entirely in. Only 53-47, though- much closer than other surrounding counties other than Tuscaloosa.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:48:15 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 161,401 56.4% Luther Strange* 124,801 43.6 63% reporting (1,431 of 2,286 precincts) Hale County dumps and flips to Moore. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 08:48:59 PM ()
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: The Govanah Jake on September 26, 2017, 08:49:28 PM Montgomery is gone for Strange.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ye We Can on September 26, 2017, 08:51:41 PM One GIGANTIC leap BACKWARDS for America. Christ, a man who openly discriminates against the LGBT community, denies evolution, an avid bible-thumper, and an active proponent of the birther community is about to become a senator. Even Marine Le Pen would be horrified. What's wrong with this? I like how you ignored the rest of his reasons and picked that one to take a stand on. Anyway, one can only hope that the Ayatollah from Talladega becomes a swamp creature, or perhaps retires early for health reasons, because that would be much better than this. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 08:52:56 PM Something for all Alabama voters to consider: https://dougjonesforsenate.com/
Jones has my endorsement and I hope to see a landslide for Jones in the general election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Ebsy on September 26, 2017, 08:53:18 PM Looks like the polls were right. Checkmate hacks!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: #gravelgang #lessiglad on September 26, 2017, 08:53:49 PM Congrats to the Ayatollah of Alabama. Ugh. Moore is a disgrace who should be nowhere near elective office let alone the friggin' US Senate. He was too extreme for Bill Pryor. Ayatollah of Alabama indeed Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Mike Thick on September 26, 2017, 09:00:04 PM I'm hoping that someone pinches me, and I wake up to a world where American politics is sane
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:02:17 PM Something for all Alabama voters to consider: https://dougjonesforsenate.com/ Jones has my endorsement and I hope to see a landslide for Jones in the general election. I'm about the only one here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:03:18 PM One GIGANTIC leap BACKWARDS for America. Christ, a man who openly discriminates against the LGBT community, denies evolution, an avid bible-thumper, and an active proponent of the birther community is about to become a senator. Even Marine Le Pen would be horrified. What's wrong with this? I like how you ignored the rest of his reasons and picked that one to take a stand on. Anyway, one can only hope that the Ayatollah from Talladega becomes a swamp creature, or perhaps retires early for health reasons, because that would be much better than this. Because that's the only one I don't have a problem with. I'm glad you liked it. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God on September 26, 2017, 09:06:01 PM Keep sending your best, Alabama.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 09:13:05 PM Moore wins Tuscaloosa 54-46. Now we have some random county (Sumter) going 60-40 for Strange! Any ideas what in the world is going on there?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:13:27 PM This is your party, Republicans
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:13:39 PM Per Politico:
McConnell Statement: Quote "He (Moore) ran a spirited campaign centered around a dissatisfaction with the progress made in Washington. I share that frustration and believe that enacting the agenda the American people voted for last November requires us all to work together," McConnell said in the statement. "We look forward to Judge Moore’s help enacting that agenda when he arrives. Senate Republicans will be as committed to keeping Alabama’s Senate seat in Republican hands with Roy Moore as we were with Luther Strange." Strange Statement: Quote "I am especially grateful for the support of President Trump and Vice President Pence, as well as the strong example set by my friends Richard Shelby and Jeff Sessions," Strange said in a statement. "I congratulate Roy Moore on the result this evening. May God be with him and may God continue to bless Alabama and the United States of America." -------------- CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 213,604 55.8% Luther Strange* 168,877 44.2 82% reporting (1,870 of 2,286 precincts) Sumter County for Strange. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:15:24 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:16:16 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT.
Roy Moore 227,570 55.9% Luther Strange* 179,216 44.1 86% reporting (1,973 of 2,286 precincts) * Incumbent Jefferson is the only Strange-area left - Madison County, Shelby County, and Sumter County are all 100% in. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:16:38 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:18:06 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:19:19 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 09:19:34 PM Any explanations on Sumter County?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:21:24 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:21:54 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. He's talking about non-traditional candidates like Moore and Trump.. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: JonHawk on September 26, 2017, 09:22:15 PM Hopefully Moore wins it in the general *fingers cross*
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:22:46 PM Any chance during the Special Election that Roy Moore will spend his time trying to re-litigate on the campaign trail the Eric Robert Rudolph case?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:23:45 PM My point is that Moore, Trump etc are the faces of the Republican party in 2017. I have no idea what Alabama Indy is trying to say. Please stop speaking gibberish
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:24:34 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? It's a Black Belt county that voted 74.0% for Clinton in 2016. May be voting for the more moderate candidate or the candidate they view as more beatable. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:24:37 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. He's talking about non-traditional candidates like Moore and Trump.. Oh sure, but 7 state legislative seats flipping doesn't just happen by accident. This is clearly a case of Democrats expressing their being 'butt hurt' by losing the Presidency to Trump by butt whupping Republicans in elections. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:25:51 PM CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Roy Moore 237,935 54.8% Luther Strange* 196,402 45.2 92% reporting (2,109 of 2,286 precincts) * Incumbent Jefferson pouring in, narrowing things somewhat. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Anna Komnene on September 26, 2017, 09:26:10 PM I mean it's not like Strange is a fountain of love and tolerance. He probably agrees with Moore on most of the issues anyway, so I'm not sure that this election says all that much about AL republicans. Tbf, Strange was a swamp creature propped up by a corrupt establishment and I can see why people would want to vote for the other guy even if that other guy probably thinks I am worse than trash. It's not like Strange doesn't secretly agree.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:26:19 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. He's talking about non-traditional candidates like Moore and Trump.. Oh sure, but 7 state legislative seats flipping doesn't just happen by accident. This is clearly a case of Democrats expressing their being 'butt hurt' by losing the Presidency to Trump by butt whupping Republicans in elections. What about Karen Handel defeating the next President of the United States Jon Ossoff in "muh educated white district." Flip the 6th! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:27:49 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. He's talking about non-traditional candidates like Moore and Trump.. Oh sure, but 7 state legislative seats flipping doesn't just happen by accident. This is clearly a case of Democrats expressing their being 'butt hurt' by losing the Presidency to Trump by butt whupping Republicans in elections. What about Karen Handel defeating the next President of the United States Jon Ossoff in "muh educated white district." Flip the 6th! Well see what happens come November 2018, but I hope you keep telling yourself that until then. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:29:09 PM Nice to see Jefferson going 70% Strange. Hopefully that means it votes 70% Jones in the general.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:29:49 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Uhh.. okay? Except for the 7 State Legislative seats that have flipped this year. He's talking about non-traditional candidates like Moore and Trump.. Oh sure, but 7 state legislative seats flipping doesn't just happen by accident. This is clearly a case of Democrats expressing their being 'butt hurt' by losing the Presidency to Trump by butt whupping Republicans in elections. What about Karen Handel defeating the next President of the United States Jon Ossoff in "muh educated white district." Flip the 6th! Well see what happens come November 2018, but I hope you keep telling yourself that until then. Though not likely, you could be surprised by November 2018.. November 2016 was supposed to result in President Clinton and a D senate majority. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on September 26, 2017, 09:30:15 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? It's a Black Belt county that voted 74.0% for Clinton in 2016. May be voting for the more moderate candidate or the candidate they view as more beatable. Almost every other Black Belt county went strongly for Roy Moore, though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:31:39 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? It's a Black Belt county that voted 74.0% for Clinton in 2016. May be voting for the more moderate candidate or the candidate they view as more beatable. Almost every other Black Belt county went strongly for Roy Moore, though. Good point.. Just giving a possible explanation. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:32:27 PM All the people voting in black belt counties in a GOP primary would be white.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: KingSweden on September 26, 2017, 09:32:46 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:33:45 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on September 26, 2017, 09:34:31 PM All the people voting in black belt counties in a GOP primary would be white. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Don Vito Corleone on September 26, 2017, 09:35:02 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:35:07 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Anna Komnene on September 26, 2017, 09:35:11 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? It's a Black Belt county that voted 74.0% for Clinton in 2016. May be voting for the more moderate candidate or the candidate they view as more beatable. Are there many black republicans in the black belt? I'd think most would be democrats. Or are the republicans who live there more moderate because they live with blacks? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:35:26 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? Because voters have suddenly become too stupid to realize who is sane. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:35:51 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? “Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.” George Carlin Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:37:21 PM Republicans are bad people
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on September 26, 2017, 09:37:36 PM Any explanations on Sumter County? It's a Black Belt county that voted 74.0% for Clinton in 2016. May be voting for the more moderate candidate or the candidate they view as more beatable. Are there many black republicans in the black belt? I'd think most would be democrats. Or are the republicans who live there more moderate because they live with blacks? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:38:20 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Cuz y'all reward and empower maniacs. That's your problem, not ours. If they're such big maniacs, why do they win? Keyword "loser" Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on September 26, 2017, 09:39:37 PM Republicans are bad people Troll. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:40:17 PM FTFY Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 09:41:31 PM FTFY FTFY Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: AtorBoltox on September 26, 2017, 09:42:26 PM FTFY FTFY Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Kamala on September 26, 2017, 09:42:39 PM FTFY FTFY FTFY Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Rookie Yinzer on September 26, 2017, 09:44:48 PM Did no one vote in Macon County? Lol.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Holmes on September 26, 2017, 09:45:07 PM Well with most of what's remaining from Jefferson, those 8 point polls will probably all end up being on the money.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on September 26, 2017, 09:45:53 PM FTFY FTFY Don't forget to take Krazen with you when you pass. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 09:48:00 PM Did no one vote in Macon County? Lol. They'll release their votes eventually. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on September 26, 2017, 09:56:02 PM FTFY FTFY Don't forget to take Krazen with you when you pass. LOL Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: 136or142 on September 26, 2017, 10:34:05 PM Final result
Roy Moore: 262,070 54.6% Luther Strange: 218,036, 45.4% Strange won the 3 large counties by population as well as the small majority black county of Sumter. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 10:34:37 PM Macon went for Moore 71-29. Jefferson fell back down to earth, going Strange by only 58-42 in the end.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 26, 2017, 10:39:18 PM The Good news is that there are no more of these silly primaries to deal with for the rest of the calendar year. All that remains are two general elections. (11/7 in UT-3 and 12/12 in AL-SEN)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Comrade Funk on September 27, 2017, 07:01:55 AM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Lord Admirale on September 27, 2017, 12:16:08 PM FTFY FTFY FTFY FTFY Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (9/26 - AL-SEN R Primary Runoff) Post by: Badger on September 28, 2017, 12:44:55 AM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on September 28, 2017, 01:42:26 AM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. And a problem that you guys need to fix. Democrats kick out terrible incumbents. (Chaka Fattah, Corrine Brown, Bill Jefferson) Republicans re-elect them - even pre-Trump. (Scott DesJarlais, Michael Grimm, Darrell Issa, Sam Brownback) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Mr. Smith on October 09, 2017, 01:31:56 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. And a problem that you guys need to fix. Democrats kick out terrible incumbents. (Chaka Fattah, Corrine Brown, Bill Jefferson) Republicans re-elect them - even pre-Trump. (Scott DesJarlais, Michael Grimm, Darrell Issa, Sam Brownback) So why's Steny Hoyer still a factor then? Do try again. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Tintrlvr on October 09, 2017, 01:50:28 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. And a problem that you guys need to fix. Democrats kick out terrible incumbents. (Chaka Fattah, Corrine Brown, Bill Jefferson) Republicans re-elect them - even pre-Trump. (Scott DesJarlais, Michael Grimm, Darrell Issa, Sam Brownback) So why's Steny Hoyer still a factor then? Do try again. I'm sure you have some bizarre and arbitrary reason for hating Steny Hoyer, but the point of comparison seems to be non-existent. This isn't about people you personally dislike. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Badger on October 10, 2017, 08:19:24 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. And a problem that you guys need to fix. Democrats kick out terrible incumbents. (Chaka Fattah, Corrine Brown, Bill Jefferson) Republicans re-elect them - even pre-Trump. (Scott DesJarlais, Michael Grimm, Darrell Issa, Sam Brownback) So why's Steny Hoyer still a factor then? Do try again. I'm sure you have some bizarre and arbitrary reason for hating Steny Hoyer, but the point of comparison seems to be non-existent. This isn't about people you personally dislike. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 26, 2017, 06:10:25 PM This is your party, Republicans Y'all keep saying that, yet these kind of candidates (Moore, Trump) keep winning. Yes, that's...that's the problem. And a problem that you guys need to fix. Democrats kick out terrible incumbents. (Chaka Fattah, Corrine Brown, Bill Jefferson) Republicans re-elect them - even pre-Trump. (Scott DesJarlais, Michael Grimm, Darrell Issa, Sam Brownback) Oh really? Democrats didn't ask Bill Jefferson to step down. He got thrown out by the voters. He got a standing ovation from Pelosi and her caucus, after the corruption was revealed. So much for "throwing him out". She ran against corruption to gain the majority, then shielded and protected those in her own caucus who got caught with their hands in the cookie jar. Charlie Rangel kept running and winning for years, despite multiple scandals. Bob Menendez was reelected in 2012, despite the current scandal already being public. Democrats historically have circled the wagons, in many such instances. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Holmes on October 26, 2017, 08:00:14 PM ....who do you think were the people that voted out Bill Jefferson
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on October 28, 2017, 07:04:24 PM OP is updated with basic information on the next election.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on October 29, 2017, 03:03:15 AM ....who do you think were the people that voted out Bill Jefferson A coalition composed of Republicans, Independents and reasonable Democrats who voted for a rather Liberal Republican in a very low turnout election. December 2008, LA-02 General Election Republican Joseph Cao 33,122 49.6 Democratic William J. Jefferson 31,296 46.8 Orleans Parish 2008 Presidential: Barack H. Obama Joseph R. Biden, Jr. Democratic 117,102 79.42% John S. McCain, III Sarah Palin Republican 28,130 19.08% Orleans Parish 2007 Governor: John Georges No Party Affiliation 27,370 36.07% Bobby Jindal Republican 26,278 34.63% Walter Boasso Democratic 15,359 20.24% Orleans Parish 2003 Governor Kathleen Babineaux Blanco Democrat 92,746 68.32% Bobby Jindal Republican 43,005 31.68% The 2008 House elections were delayed in two races because of a Hurricane. LA had abandoned their jungle primary system for a period. So they had the primary in Sept, runoff in Oct and general in November. But the Hurricane forced the two house elections to be pushed back until December 2008. So it was low turnout "Special" (though it was technically the general election for those seats). Had it occurred in November, I am fairly certain that Jefferson would have won. And Jefferson's scandal began in late 2005. Yet he was reelected in 2006 57%-42% over another Democrat. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Badger on November 01, 2017, 09:24:47 PM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06.
Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: smoltchanov on November 02, 2017, 11:58:29 AM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06. Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? No. It could elect Libertarian or even Constitutional party candidate (or another far rightist), but - not a Democrat... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Brittain33 on November 02, 2017, 06:04:55 PM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06. Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? No. It could elect Libertarian or even Constitutional party candidate (or another far rightist), but - not a Democrat... When has that ever happened? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on November 02, 2017, 06:20:58 PM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06. Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? No. It could elect Libertarian or even Constitutional party candidate (or another far rightist), but - not a Democrat... When has that ever happened? No Libertarian or Constitution Party candidate has been elected to Congress (House or Senate), but it's worth noting that Virgil Goode, the 2012 CP Presidential candidate, won election to the same House seat as a Democrat, then an Independent, then a Republican. Who was the last member of a true third party elected to Congress? This excludes independents and one-off parties like Lieberman's. I'd guess it was Sen. James Buckley (Conservative-NY) elected in 1970, but could be wrong. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on November 03, 2017, 03:12:14 AM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06. Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? No. It could elect Libertarian or even Constitutional party candidate (or another far rightist), but - not a Democrat... When has that ever happened? Republican Ron Packard won as write-in, in what is basically now Darrell Issa's seat in 1982, against a controversial GOP nominee and a Democrat. Of course back then it was like 65%-70% Republican. The answer is of course no. Just like Jefferson would have won easily in LA-02 in November 2008 (had it not been delayed), such a district would elect the Republican, unless it was a low turnout or off year race. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: smoltchanov on November 03, 2017, 10:44:13 AM But if fairness, the scandal hadn't truly blown open until after 06. Does anyone truly believe a +30 R district would elect a Democrat if the incumbent was involved in such a scandal? No. It could elect Libertarian or even Constitutional party candidate (or another far rightist), but - not a Democrat... When has that ever happened? AFAIK - no, but probability of this is higher then probability of electing Democrat in such district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on November 07, 2017, 02:44:07 PM NYT Results Page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/utah-house-special-election
Polls close at 10 EST Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: VPH on November 07, 2017, 07:07:50 PM I'm curious to see how Bennett does. He's a character alright, and he has the family name.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Fubart Solman on November 07, 2017, 08:46:23 PM I'm curious to see how Bennett does. He's a character alright, and he has the family name. That's the only really interesting thing about this race that I can think of. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on November 07, 2017, 10:09:49 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: CURTIS WINS
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. John Curtis Republican 53,206 59.4% Kathie Allen Democrat 22,547 25.2 Jim Bennett UUT 8,202 9.2 Sean Whalen Independent 2,265 2.5 Joe Buchman Libertarian 1,974 2.2 Jason Christensen Independent American 1,304 1.5 45% reporting (260 of 577 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Oryxslayer on November 07, 2017, 10:18:30 PM I'm curious to see how Bennett does. He's a character alright, and he has the family name. That's the only really interesting thing about this race that I can think of. Currently at 9.2%. Not bad for a new third party that was sidelined during the campaign. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: rob in cal on November 07, 2017, 10:57:02 PM In terms of some kind of emerging Democratic wave, shouldn't Allen's numbers be higher than 26%, or were some of the third party candidates running to the left of center?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: VPH on November 08, 2017, 12:09:10 AM Allen doing respectably in Carbon County, which used to be Democratic and she did amazing in Grand County!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Skill and Chance on November 08, 2017, 12:16:22 AM In terms of some kind of emerging Democratic wave, shouldn't Allen's numbers be higher than 26%, or were some of the third party candidates running to the left of center? Bennett was like a Bloomberg flavored establishment center left guy trying to build off McMullin, but clearly left of his 2016 campaign. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Cactus Jack on November 08, 2017, 12:23:25 AM In terms of some kind of emerging Democratic wave, shouldn't Allen's numbers be higher than 26%, or were some of the third party candidates running to the left of center? This is rural Utah we're talking about, and Curtis, at least from what I understand, is wildly beloved in Provo and in the metropolitan areas of UT-03. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: TheSaint250 on November 08, 2017, 06:36:31 AM Why have the vote totals not been updated for the past 6 hours?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (11/7 - UT-3) Post by: Zioneer on November 08, 2017, 12:37:11 PM Why have the vote totals not been updated for the past 6 hours? To be honest though, Utah has a bad habit of being slow to update numbers. Has been since at least the first election I followed, in 2012. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: 136or142 on November 11, 2017, 07:12:06 PM Rick Saccone (R) - State Rep., College Professor & Retired USAF Officer has been chosen at the Republican nominating convention to be their candidate in Pennsylvania 18 to replace Tim Murphy.
http://www.politicspa.com/saccone-wins-pa-18-nomination/85345/ Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: smoltchanov on November 12, 2017, 11:20:19 PM Rick Saccone (R) - State Rep., College Professor & Retired USAF Officer has been chosen at the Republican nominating convention to be their candidate in Pennsylvania 18 to replace Tim Murphy. http://www.politicspa.com/saccone-wins-pa-18-nomination/85345/ Republican are consistent now - they choose the most ultra-rightist candidates almost invariably. Even in this conservative district they had more normal alternatives, but - .... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 09, 2017, 09:06:28 PM Basic information on Tuesday's contest has been added to the OP. Here is how I recommend users split their activity between the two threads.
This Thread: Final Predictions, Discussion of/links to Results, Shorter #Analysis, Discussion of/links to Network Coverage Main AL-SEN Thread: Paragraphs/Essay-Style #Analysis, Discussion of whether the Senate should expel Moore, Discussion of whether AL should secede from the union, and Discussion of whether IceSpear should leave the forum. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 04:13:35 PM Follow results tonight here: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones
Results coverage will be on this thread. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: wxtransit on December 12, 2017, 06:47:55 PM Awaiting poll closing, exit polls seem interesting.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 07:44:00 PM Polls close in 17 minutes
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on December 12, 2017, 07:59:02 PM Well, there we go.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: DFL on December 12, 2017, 08:00:05 PM #ready4doug
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: The Ex-Factor on December 12, 2017, 08:02:09 PM MSNBC says too EARLY to call
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:05:03 PM Heavily African-American Vote:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Doug Jones Democrat 157 74.1% Roy Moore Republican 53 25.0 Total Write-Ins — 2 0.9 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:16:21 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Doug Jones Democrat 434 54.3% Roy Moore Republican 359 44.9 Total Write-Ins — 7 0.9 <1% reporting (3 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: muon2 on December 12, 2017, 08:23:27 PM Mobile county is one of the ones I want to see to see where the race is going. It was 55% for Trump with 172K votes, while the state was 62% Trump with 1318K votes. If it starts to go for Jones, then Moore is in danger. Madison and Tuscaloosa are two others to watch that Jones needs to flip.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:33:19 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Doug Jones Democrat 5,473 60.2% Roy Moore Republican 3,552 39.1 Total Write-Ins — 70 0.8 1% reporting (13 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:44:00 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Doug Jones Democrat 21,666 54.6% Roy Moore Republican 17,652 44.5 Total Write-Ins — 368 0.9 3% reporting (65 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:49:11 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 27,817 50.4% Doug Jones Democrat 26,732 48.4 Total Write-Ins — 690 1.2 5% reporting (101 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 08:56:29 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 50,524 52.2% Doug Jones Democrat 44,878 46.4 Total Write-Ins — 1,418 1.5 9% reporting (189 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:00:15 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 75,384 50.1% Doug Jones Democrat 73,177 48.6 Total Write-Ins — 1,901 1.3 15% reporting (324 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:06:19 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 112,867 51.8% Doug Jones Democrat 101,972 46.8 Total Write-Ins — 2,861 1.3 21% reporting (461 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:17:10 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 175,947 52.0% Doug Jones Democrat 157,841 46.7 Total Write-Ins — 4,538 1.3 32% reporting (710 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:25:14 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 228,585 52.2% Doug Jones Democrat 203,064 46.4 Total Write-Ins — 5,911 1.4 43% reporting (944 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:28:38 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 254,321 51.0% Doug Jones Democrat 238,023 47.7 Total Write-Ins — 6,599 1.3 48% reporting (1,072 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:37:43 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 350,192 52.8% Doug Jones Democrat 303,232 45.7 Total Write-Ins — 9,679 1.5 62% reporting (1,372 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 09:55:02 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 439,021 50.7% Doug Jones Democrat 414,580 47.9 Total Write-Ins — 12,049 1.4 76% reporting (1,682 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 10:09:21 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Roy Moore Republican 510,308 49.4% Doug Jones Democrat 506,451 49.0 Total Write-Ins — 15,798 1.5 85% reporting (1,876 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 10:19:44 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Doug Jones Democrat 532,452 49.3% Roy Moore Republican 530,766 49.1 Total Write-Ins — 16,850 1.6 86% reporting (1,914 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Helsinkian on December 12, 2017, 10:21:44 PM JONES takes the lead.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 10:24:21 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: JONES WINS
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Doug Jones Democrat 569,114 49.6% Roy Moore Republican 560,804 48.8 Total Write-Ins — 18,190 1.6 88% reporting (1,962 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: AustralianSwingVoter on December 12, 2017, 10:26:22 PM BREAKING: Democrat Doug Jones wins election as U.S. senator from Alabama. @AP race call at 10:23 p.m. EST. #AlabamaElection #APracecall
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 12, 2017, 11:36:36 PM Final Results:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Doug Jones Democrat 671,151 49.9% Roy Moore Republican 650,436 48.4 Total Write-Ins — 22,819 1.7 100% reporting (2,220 of 2,220 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on December 12, 2017, 11:39:46 PM Well, wow.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Kamala on December 12, 2017, 11:59:40 PM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Santander on December 13, 2017, 12:04:39 AM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. You could not vote for Moore, but it simultaneously hurts your heart that his opponent won... ??? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Badger on December 13, 2017, 12:11:29 AM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Virginiá on December 13, 2017, 12:11:54 AM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. Go away Daniel. You aren't from Alabama. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Badger on December 13, 2017, 12:13:06 AM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. Go away Daniel. You aren't from Alabama. Is this a definitive IP check, Mod-Woman? ;D Sic 'em! >:D Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Sumner 1868 on December 13, 2017, 12:15:16 AM I am a white woman from Alabama and I am deeply shocked, I stayed at home because I could not vote for Moore, but it hurts my heart that a Democrat wins the state, it really is a nightmare. Go away Daniel. You aren't from Alabama. I think you meant Derek. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: smoltchanov on December 13, 2017, 12:33:47 AM In one word - excellent!. Of course, every "normal" conservative Republican would win this seat, but Republicans managed to nominate the only one, who could (and MUST!) lose, and, thanks God, he did.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (12/12 - AL-SEN) Post by: Mr. Smith on December 13, 2017, 12:37:20 AM I'm so glad I was wrong, if by 2.6 points.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27/18 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on December 13, 2017, 12:42:40 AM The next election, the primary for AZ-8, will be on February 27th.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: 136or142 on February 21, 2018, 10:40:55 PM My take on the major party candidates for the Arizona 8th district Special Election from looking at their issue positions on their websites.
Republican 1.Chad Allen, mostly focused on economic issues, economic conservative but offers only platitudes. 2.Brendan Dilley, Idiot Trump type. 3.Stephen Douglas, Moderate Libertarian 4.Debbie Lesko, Idiot Trump type, but not complete idiot as she's not an ideologue and can be more practical. 5.Dave Lien, Moderate Conservative. 6.Phil Lovas, Idiot Trump type 7.Richard Mack, Libertarian Tea Bagger 8.Steve Montenegro, Idiot Trump Type 9.Bob Stump, No Issues Positions, but quotes people calling him a 'thoughtful conservative' and an 'intellectual' and thinks like that. Biggest issue about him seems to be that he changed his first name to have the same name as a former longtime Arizona Republican member of the U.S House. 10.Chris Sylvester, No specific issue positions, but statement of principles. Seems to be a pragmatic moderate conservative. 11.Clair Van Steenwyk, Loony Conspiracy Type - "Agenda 21" - Issue page seems to be the same as from his 2012 U.S Senate primary run. 12.Mark Yates. Statement of Principles. Conservative but supports teaching 'critical thinking' in schools as opposed to 'rote learning.' My meaningless endorsement - Chris Sylvester Democrats 1.Hiral Tipirneni, Centrist Democrat 2.Brianna Westbrook, Progressive My meaningless endorsement - Hiral Tipirneni Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Jeppe on February 21, 2018, 10:43:51 PM Hiral Tipernini is the serious candidate, by the way. She’s an ER doctor who has strong fundraising,, compared to Westbrook, a social activist who barely qualified for the ballot.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: KingSweden on February 21, 2018, 10:44:51 PM Hiral Tipernini is the serious candidate, by the way. She’s an ER doctor who has strong fundraising,, compared to Westbrook, a social activist who barely qualified for the ballot. Westbrook is one of those Justice Dems who only has an online following yeah? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Jeppe on February 21, 2018, 10:53:43 PM Hiral Tipernini is the serious candidate, by the way. She’s an ER doctor who has strong fundraising,, compared to Westbrook, a social activist who barely qualified for the ballot. Westbrook is one of those Justice Dems who only has an online following yeah? Basically. She only got 4 signatures above the required amount, which was only around 600. Hiral Tiperneni has actually outraised the entire Republican field too, although she’s been in the race since last year too. https://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary?cycle=2018&id=AZ08 (https://www.opensecrets.org/races/summary?cycle=2018&id=AZ08) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: 136or142 on February 26, 2018, 05:40:54 AM Any over/under predictions on the Republican primary turnout? On the one hand, Republican intensity is said to be way down, on the other hand there are 12 Republicans running for the nomination, even if a few of them are pretty fringy. (It presumably still all adds up.)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Jeppe on February 26, 2018, 11:38:28 AM Any over/under predictions on the Republican primary turnout? On the one hand, Republican intensity is said to be way down, on the other hand there are 12 Republicans running for the nomination, even if a few of them are pretty fringy. (It presumably still all adds up.) Debbie Lisko is probably the frontrunner after Montenegro’s sexting scandal. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on February 27, 2018, 11:05:32 AM Good luck to Westbrook!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: KingSweden on February 27, 2018, 12:28:28 PM Any over/under predictions on the Republican primary turnout? On the one hand, Republican intensity is said to be way down, on the other hand there are 12 Republicans running for the nomination, even if a few of them are pretty fringy. (It presumably still all adds up.) Debbie Lisko is probably the frontrunner after Montenegro’s sexting scandal. Maybe... depends on how many early votes he rolled up. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Gass3268 on February 27, 2018, 12:30:44 PM Any over/under predictions on the Republican primary turnout? On the one hand, Republican intensity is said to be way down, on the other hand there are 12 Republicans running for the nomination, even if a few of them are pretty fringy. (It presumably still all adds up.) Debbie Lisko is probably the frontrunner after Montenegro’s sexting scandal. Maybe... depends on how many early votes he rolled up. I thought I read somewhere that estimates about 80% of the total vote could be the early vote. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 12:48:47 PM Updated the OP with basic information about the election. Results can be found here: http://results.arizona.vote/#/federal/5/0 . The NYT should have a page up closer to poll closing time.
Please be aware that even though polls close at 9 ET, results will be delayed for 1 hour under state law. The earliest we could see initial numbers is 10 ET. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Cactus Jack on February 27, 2018, 02:32:50 PM A bullet-points summary of the Republican primary for those who don't know and/or have an interest, sticking to the three most prominent candidates:
I'm putting my money on Montenegro winning the primary, because the AZGOP has lost absolutely all control in its collective life. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Oryxslayer on February 27, 2018, 03:26:43 PM I'm putting my money on Montenegro winning the primary, because the AZGOP has lost absolutely all control in its collective life. It would be absolutely hilarious if this ends up happening. For reference,the Democratic Party has never been really competitive in this part of the west valley, and the closest thing to a base is the small bits of Glendale in the south. Hell, Arpaio won the seat even as he was loosing in a landslide. But, if Montenegro becomes the candidate off of his banked early vote, this will be the third federal election (AL, PA-18) where the GOP sent a dead red seat into the competitive zone do to candidate quality. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 07:05:40 PM NYT Page: https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona-house-special-election-primary
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 09:14:21 PM Polls have closed, but no results until 10 ET under state law.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on February 27, 2018, 09:37:02 PM Polls have closed, but no results until 10 ET under state law. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on February 27, 2018, 09:39:16 PM Polls have closed, but no results until 10 ET under state law. What's the reasoning behind it, if anyone knows? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Sestak on February 27, 2018, 09:42:33 PM C'mon Monty!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 09:47:12 PM Polls have closed, but no results until 10 ET under state law. What's the reasoning behind it, if anyone knows? Probably something to do with not influencing anyone who is still in line when polls technically close. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Webnicz on February 27, 2018, 09:49:19 PM Polls have closed, but no results until 10 ET under state law. What's the reasoning behind it, if anyone knows? It's to encourage voters to stay in line after the polls close. If a candidate is "leading" and a voter is still in line after the polls close, the voter may feel like they don't have to vote and get out of line. And vice versa, if a candidate is leading a voter does not like they can either stay in line and be more encouraged to vote, or it could discourage them from voting swell depending on they type of mindset the person has. Its a law that drives us election junkies insane, but its a rather good one. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Webnicz on February 27, 2018, 10:08:56 PM Lesko leading with 23,621 (36%)
Montenegro in second with 15,884 (24%) Loves very close behind 15,283 (23%) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Webnicz on February 27, 2018, 10:11:12 PM For the Dems
TIPIRNENI - 20,121 / (59%) WESTBROOK - 14012 / (41%) Turnout for Dems at 31.55% For GOP turnout around 35.52% source Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 10:19:25 PM ALL EARLY VOTE
Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Hiral Tipirneni 20,121 58.9% Brianna Westbrook 14,012 41.1 <1% reporting (0 of 143 precincts) Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Debbie Lesko 23,621 36.0% Steve Montenegro 15,884 24.2 Phil Lovas 15,283 23.3 Bob Stump 3,665 5.6 Clair Van Steenwyk 1,565 2.4 Christopher Sylvester 1,274 1.9 David Lien 1,141 1.7 Richard Mack 824 1.3 Mark Yates 742 1.1 Chad Allen 707 1.1 Brenden Dilley 633 1.0 Stephen Dolgos 318 0.5 <1% reporting (0 of 143 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 10:26:05 PM NYT calls D primary:
Democratic Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Hiral Tipirneni 20,121 58.9% Brianna Westbrook 14,012 41.1 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Doimper on February 27, 2018, 10:32:53 PM ()
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: LimoLiberal on February 27, 2018, 10:36:50 PM The fact that Westbrook got 41% means Laura Moser and other weak #resistance candidates are extremely likely to win in D primaries. Panic time for Democrats hoping to retake the house.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: LimoLiberal on February 27, 2018, 10:40:43 PM I'm not even trolling. She got outspent 10:1 by Hiral. She has no right to be getting 41%. There are going to be some awful candidates winning in Democratic primaries.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Roronoa D. Law on February 27, 2018, 10:49:21 PM I'm not even trolling. She got outspent 10:1 by Hiral. She has no right to be getting 41%. There are going to be some awful candidates winning in Democratic primaries. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Doimper on February 27, 2018, 11:08:47 PM ()
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on February 27, 2018, 11:15:28 PM not a great result for dems tbh
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Ronnie on February 27, 2018, 11:45:26 PM not a great result for dems tbh First, it's an R+13 district, so it's highly unlikely Dems win here unless something goes seriously wrong for Lesko. Second, combined primary votes don't necessarily mean a whole lot. Republicans got far more combined votes than Dems in their AL primary, yet lost in the GE. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on February 27, 2018, 11:47:53 PM not a great result for dems tbh First, it's an R+13 district, so it's highly unlikely Dems win here unless something goes seriously wrong for Lesko. Second, combined primary votes don't necessarily mean a whole lot. Republicans got far more combined votes than Dems in their AL primary, yet lost in the GE. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Terry the Fat Shark on February 27, 2018, 11:50:34 PM not a great result for dems tbh First, it's an R+13 district, so it's highly unlikely Dems win here unless something goes seriously wrong for Lesko. Second, combined primary votes don't necessarily mean a whole lot. Republicans got far more combined votes than Dems in their AL primary, yet lost in the GE. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: 136or142 on February 27, 2018, 11:56:00 PM Updated results are finally starting to come in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on February 27, 2018, 11:57:14 PM not a great result for dems tbh First, it's an R+13 district, so it's highly unlikely Dems win here unless something goes seriously wrong for Lesko. Second, combined primary votes don't necessarily mean a whole lot. Republicans got far more combined votes than Dems in their AL primary, yet lost in the GE. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 27, 2018, 11:59:06 PM NYT calls R primary:
Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Debbie Lesko 23,928 35.9% Steve Montenegro 16,077 24.2 Phil Lovas 15,515 23.3 Bob Stump 3,695 5.6 Clair Van Steenwyk 1,583 2.4 Christopher Sylvester 1,298 1.9 David Lien 1,160 1.7 Richard Mack 859 1.3 Mark Yates 752 1.1 Chad Allen 715 1.1 Brenden Dilley 664 1.0 Stephen Dolgos 323 0.5 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Devout Centrist on February 28, 2018, 12:02:19 AM Get bent, Steve
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: The Arizonan on February 28, 2018, 12:11:04 AM My father actually lives in the district in Surprise. Steve Montenegro deserved to lose for being such a phony.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: King Lear on February 28, 2018, 12:13:20 AM The fact that Westbrook got 41% means Laura Moser and other weak #resistance candidates are extremely likely to win in D primaries. Panic time for Democrats hoping to retake the house. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Cactus Jack on February 28, 2018, 12:16:57 AM Officially eating my hat. I thought for sure the dead-out most bats**t candidate would take it.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: 136or142 on February 28, 2018, 12:45:49 AM Final Results
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona-house-special-election-primary Democratic Total Votes: 36,404 Hiral Tiperneni 21,703, 59.6% Brianna Westbrook, 14,701, 40.4% Republican Total Votes: 71,420 Debbie Lesko, 25,508, 35.8% Phil Lovas, 17,031, 23.9% Steve Montenegro, 16,987, 23.8% Others 11,794 Others Bob Stump 3,832, 5.4% Clair Van Steenwyk, 1,692, 2.4% Christopher Sylvester, 1,370, 1.9% David Lien, 1,261, 1.8% Richard Mack, 1,014, 1.4% Mark Yates, 799, 1.1% Chad Allen, 747, 1.0% Brendan Dilley, 734, 1.0% Stephen Dolgos, 345, 0.5% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: 136or142 on February 28, 2018, 12:49:53 AM On election day turnout, Tiperni received 1,600 votes to 700 for Westbrook.
1,900 for Lesko, 1,800 for Lovas and 1,100 for Montenegro Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on February 28, 2018, 12:49:59 AM Democratic Primary
CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Hiral Tipirneni 21,703 59.6% Brianna Westbrook 14,701 40.4 100% reporting (143 of 143 precincts) Republican Primary CANDIDATE VOTE PCT. Debbie Lesko 25,508 35.8% Phil Lovas 17,031 23.9 Steve Montenegro 16,987 23.8 Bob Stump 3,832 5.4 Clair Van Steenwyk 1,692 2.4 Christopher Sylvester 1,370 1.9 David Lien 1,261 1.8 Richard Mack 1,014 1.4 Mark Yates 799 1.1 Chad Allen 747 1.0 Brenden Dilley 734 1.0 Stephen Dolgos 345 0.5 100% reporting (143 of 143 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Badger on February 28, 2018, 02:28:18 AM The fact that Westbrook got 41% means Laura Moser and other weak #resistance candidates are extremely likely to win in D primaries. Panic time for Democrats hoping to retake the house. Thanks Richard! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Webnicz on February 28, 2018, 04:36:55 AM Lovas actually beat Montenegro! Love it! This is a man who literally had “Endorsed By Trent Franks And Joe Arpaio” on his street signs. Further showing that GOP candidates still seek the endorsement of the sherif as he is well liked among GOP primary voters in maricopa county.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on February 28, 2018, 12:59:33 PM She will likely lose this race. Luckily there is another chance for Westbrook. This is however a pretty decent result by her with the other candidate having the DCCC behind her back with all their money.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (2/27 - AZ-8 Primary) Post by: Sestak on February 28, 2018, 01:34:01 PM Likely R without Montenegro, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Greedo punched first on February 28, 2018, 03:30:21 PM AZ-08 is no longer considered safe R, only likely R (https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/rating-change-arizona-8-special-gets-vulnerable). That is good news in a district that is R+13.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Brittain33 on February 28, 2018, 05:09:59 PM AZ-08 is no longer considered safe R, only likely R (https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/rating-change-arizona-8-special-gets-vulnerable). That is good news in a district that is R+13. I don't see any way the Dem wins this other than a completely unexpected scandal. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Cactus Jack on February 28, 2018, 05:12:52 PM AZ-08 is no longer considered safe R, only likely R (https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/rating-change-arizona-8-special-gets-vulnerable). That is good news in a district that is R+13. I don't see any way the Dem wins this other than a completely unexpected scandal. Well, Lesko is sort of an idiot. A repeat of Saccone's legendary fumble isn't out of the question here. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on February 28, 2018, 06:12:50 PM AZ-08 is no longer considered safe R, only likely R (https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/rating-change-arizona-8-special-gets-vulnerable). That is good news in a district that is R+13. I don't see any way the Dem wins this other than a completely unexpected scandal. Well, Lesko is sort of an idiot. A repeat of Saccone's legendary fumble isn't out of the question here. Saccone has not even lost yet, granted if he wins, it will be by an underwhelming margin. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Holy Unifying Centrist on February 28, 2018, 06:58:41 PM ()
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on March 07, 2018, 01:03:29 PM Looks like Atlas underestimated the Justice Democrats performance. This is just the beginning of the party takeover.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: The Other Castro on March 07, 2018, 02:51:09 PM Looks like Atlas underestimated the Justice Democrats performance. This is just the beginning of the party takeover. Not really in the places that mattered as much though: Competitive R Districts: TX-2 - Defeated TX-7 - Advanced to runoff (But arguably more due to DCCC idiocy and backlash) TX-21 - Defeated TX-23 - Will likely advance to runoff Safe R Districts: TX-12 - Won TX-14 - Won TX-26 - Won 12, 14, and 26 were primary wins, but in districts not really of importance to the national or state party as they're not remotely competitive in the general election (plus district 12 was uncontested in the primary). In the four districts that do matter where they fielded candidates, two failed to make the runoff, while one candidate (Moser) arguably would not have advanced had it not been for the incompetence of the DCCC in this particular situation. TX-23 was pretty much a 3 way tie for 2nd place, and the Justice Democrat that advanced has a very large hill to climb in the runoff (Gina Ortiz Jones led Trevino 40.5%-17.5%). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 07, 2018, 05:06:55 PM Reminder that this thread is only to discuss the upcoming special elections in PA-18, AZ-8, and OH-12. Please direct news regarding regular primary elections to this topic: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=286512.0
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 12:11:36 PM OP is updated with information on today's election. Results page for tonight: https://elections.ap.org/gannett/election_results/2018-03-13/state/PA/race/G/raceid/40301
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Oryxslayer on March 13, 2018, 12:23:39 PM NYt live page:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/13/us/elections/results-pennsylvania-house-special-election.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 06:36:29 PM NYT: Right now, our most likely estimates span Lamb +13 to Saccone +13. Our model starts with the assumption that the race is tied and updates as the vote is counted. The more we know, the narrower our range will be.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on March 13, 2018, 06:37:50 PM Anyone opposed to me putting results for the special election in a state senate district in Tennessee in here as well?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 06:40:26 PM Anyone opposed to me putting results for the special election in a state senate district in Tennessee in here as well? For sake of consistency, do so at: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=264656.2075 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on March 13, 2018, 06:47:41 PM Anyone opposed to me putting results for the special election in a state senate district in Tennessee in here as well? For sake of consistency, do so at: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=264656.2075 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: super6646 on March 13, 2018, 06:48:40 PM Lamb is going to win. The other guy kinda sucks from what I've heard (can't frundraise, and is unpopular in the district overall).
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 06:48:49 PM Anyone opposed to me putting results for the special election in a state senate district in Tennessee in here as well? For sake of consistency, do so at: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=264656.2075 Regardless of the outcome I'll take him out of my signature after the primary. But right now he needs every vote and sign of support he can get. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 07:29:19 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Dem. 240 52.5% Rick Saccone Rep. 215 47.0 Drew Miller Lib. 2 0.4 457 votes, <1% reporting (1 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 07:32:14 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Dem. 452 52.0% Rick Saccone Rep. 411 47.2 Drew Miller Lib. 7 0.8 870 votes, 1% reporting (3 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: ProgressiveCanadian on March 13, 2018, 07:37:02 PM Anyone opposed to me putting results for the special election in a state senate district in Tennessee in here as well? For sake of consistency, do so at: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=264656.2075 Regardless of the outcome I'll take him out of my signature after the primary. But right now he needs every vote and sign of support he can get. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on March 13, 2018, 07:40:16 PM Conor Lamb
Democrat 1,700 58.7% Rick Saccone Republican 1,177 40.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 19 0.7 2,896 votes, 2% reporting (10 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: #TheShadowyAbyss on March 13, 2018, 07:41:56 PM Conor Lamb
Democrat 3,281 60.2% Rick Saccone Republican 2,140 39.3 Drew Miller Libertarian 28 0.5 5,449 votes, 3% reporting (18 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Badger on March 13, 2018, 07:42:09 PM Conor Lamb Democrat 1,700 58.7% Rick Saccone Republican 1,177 40.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 19 0.7 2,896 votes, 2% reporting (10 of 593 precincts) Whoa. Where did that big dump of lamb voters come from? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Tintrlvr on March 13, 2018, 07:46:28 PM Conor Lamb Democrat 1,700 58.7% Rick Saccone Republican 1,177 40.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 19 0.7 2,896 votes, 2% reporting (10 of 593 precincts) Whoa. Where did that big dump of lamb voters come from? Suburban Allegheny. A lot of Scott (a large, D-leaning suburban town in Allegheny) has reported. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 07:49:58 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 8,162 58.9% Rick Saccone Republican 5,622 40.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 80 0.6 13,864 votes, 8% reporting (48 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 07:56:19 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 13,850 59.0% Rick Saccone Republican 9,494 40.4 Drew Miller Libertarian 134 0.6 23,478 votes, 13% reporting (76 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:01:43 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 20,212 57.9% Rick Saccone Republican 14,523 41.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 198 0.6 34,933 votes, 19% reporting (110 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:08:21 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 29,846 56.5% Rick Saccone Republican 22,700 43.0 Drew Miller Libertarian 300 0.6 52,846 votes, 26% reporting (157 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:09:19 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 36,835 53.8% Rick Saccone Republican 31,167 45.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 413 0.6 68,415 votes, 36% reporting (211 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:15:55 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 47,370 53.6% Rick Saccone Republican 40,386 45.7 Drew Miller Libertarian 555 0.6 88,311 votes, 45% reporting (268 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:22:31 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 59,600 52.3% Rick Saccone Republican 53,752 47.1 Drew Miller Libertarian 703 0.6 114,055 votes, 58% reporting (342 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Dr. MB on March 13, 2018, 08:30:26 PM Results look about expected. After the remaining Pittsburgh suburbs come in there will be a boost for Saccone in Westmoreland County. He just needs to hold a large enough margin.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:35:23 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 75,152 51.5% Rick Saccone Republican 69,964 47.9 Drew Miller Libertarian 893 0.6 146,009 votes, 71% reporting (421 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:44:29 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Conor Lamb Democrat 87,453 51.0% Rick Saccone Republican 83,102 48.4 Drew Miller Libertarian 1,065 0.6 171,620 votes, 83% reporting (493 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 08:54:33 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 100,029 49.9% Rick Saccone Republican 99,326 49.5 Drew Miller Libertarian 1,237 0.6 200,592 votes, 94% reporting (557 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 09:23:25 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 106,549 49.8% Rick Saccone Republican 106,009 49.6 Drew Miller Libertarian 1,303 0.6 213,861 votes, 97% reporting (578 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 09:54:43 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Conor Lamb Democrat 109,945 49.7% Rick Saccone Republican 109,850 49.7 Drew Miller Libertarian 1,334 0.6 221,129 votes, 99% reporting (591 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Joey1996 on March 13, 2018, 09:57:40 PM Lamb has a 95 vote lead...
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on March 13, 2018, 10:07:15 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: LAMB APPARENT WINNER
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Conor Lamb Democrat 111,875 49.9% Rick Saccone Republican 111,028 49.5 Drew Miller Libertarian 1,351 0.6 224,254 votes, 99% reporting (591 of 593 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (3/13 - PA-18) Post by: pbrower2a on March 14, 2018, 02:04:29 AM If a recount is available, then it will probably be done. How many out-standing voters? Military absentee votes?
This might not be decided until the electoral results run out of votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 24, 2018, 09:52:11 AM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Holy Unifying Centrist on April 24, 2018, 10:21:56 AM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Tender Branson on April 24, 2018, 10:53:31 AM The "New York Times" has a results page incl. a precinct map:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/24/us/elections/results-arizona-house-special-election.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Tintrlvr on April 24, 2018, 06:20:21 PM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol They will come in fast, though, given that it'll be heavy on the early vote. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: OBD on April 24, 2018, 07:03:19 PM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol They will come in fast, though, given that it'll be heavy on the early vote. WHY!?! WHY!?! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: NOVA Green on April 24, 2018, 09:44:45 PM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol They will come in fast, though, given that it'll be heavy on the early vote. WHY!?! WHY!?! Obviously to mess with us election junkies by basically dumping most of the vote within a very short period of time, and spoil of pleasure savoring the minute by minute precinct updates, endlessly cross-referenced against series of spreadsheets, and engaging in minute conversation about every aspect of the results as they trickle in.... :( I left work two hours early in anticipation of getting an initial bout of EV numbers at 7:00 PM PST, and now need to wait until 8:00 PM PST to get my election fix on.... Sigh, my personal suspicion is that the Arizona Republican Secretary of State is likely doing this as some sort of "cost reduction" program, streamlining processes and efficiencies. ;) That might work great in a National General Election, where we are following so many States, that it's hard to get too granular on individual contests, but still.... (***Tick Tock, impatiently looks at clock and constantly hits refresh on multiple open browsers****) :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on April 24, 2018, 09:55:29 PM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol They will come in fast, though, given that it'll be heavy on the early vote. WHY!?! WHY!?! Obviously to mess with us election junkies by basically dumping most of the vote within a very short period of time, and spoil of pleasure savoring the minute by minute precinct updates, endlessly cross-referenced against series of spreadsheets, and engaging in minute conversation about every aspect of the results as they trickle in.... :( I left work two hours early in anticipation of getting an initial bout of EV numbers at 7:00 PM PST, and now need to wait until 8:00 PM PST to get my election fix on.... Sigh, my personal suspicion is that the Arizona Republican Secretary of State is likely doing this as some sort of "cost reduction" program, streamlining processes and efficiencies. ;) That might work great in a National General Election, where we are following so many States, that it's hard to get too granular on individual contests, but still.... (***Tick Tock, impatiently looks at clock and constantly hits refresh on multiple open browsers****) :) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: NOVA Green on April 24, 2018, 10:00:21 PM For the AZ-8 Special, polls will close at 10 ET tonight. Results will be available beginning at 11 ET at: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/4/23/17263138/arizona-special-election-live-results-lesko-tipirneni . Other basic information is in the OP. Jesus that is so late lol They will come in fast, though, given that it'll be heavy on the early vote. WHY!?! WHY!?! Obviously to mess with us election junkies by basically dumping most of the vote within a very short period of time, and spoil of pleasure savoring the minute by minute precinct updates, endlessly cross-referenced against series of spreadsheets, and engaging in minute conversation about every aspect of the results as they trickle in.... :( I left work two hours early in anticipation of getting an initial bout of EV numbers at 7:00 PM PST, and now need to wait until 8:00 PM PST to get my election fix on.... Sigh, my personal suspicion is that the Arizona Republican Secretary of State is likely doing this as some sort of "cost reduction" program, streamlining processes and efficiencies. ;) That might work great in a National General Election, where we are following so many States, that it's hard to get too granular on individual contests, but still.... (***Tick Tock, impatiently looks at clock and constantly hits refresh on multiple open browsers****) :) Not enough time to put the last few EV Votes in the spreadsheet before.... ;) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Sestak on April 24, 2018, 10:01:44 PM ()
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: NOVA Green on April 24, 2018, 10:01:51 PM +6 R with EV ballots....
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Sestak on April 24, 2018, 10:03:22 PM Wait that's just EV?
Does that mean Hiral has a chance? (Even if not it's a great result) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: NOVA Green on April 24, 2018, 10:03:57 PM 82.3k R- 73.2 k D= EV
More favorable to Dems than my EV "Hi-Dem" Model... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Gass3268 on April 24, 2018, 10:04:24 PM Lesko will win, but that's a horrible number for Republicans.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: junior chįmp on April 24, 2018, 10:05:18 PM Bodes well for future but technically already Senator Sinema
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: NOVA Green on April 24, 2018, 10:09:42 PM Looks like EV numbers from Glendale looks really good for Dems....
Brief survey shows really high Dem level of support from Sun City West (HEAVY, HEAVY 'Pub)... Lesko doing a bit better in Sun City than I had estimated, but this was her old stomping ground so to speak.... Just started to glance through the precinct map... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Maxwell on April 24, 2018, 10:16:07 PM Debbie Leslol
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: junior chįmp on April 24, 2018, 10:16:39 PM Senator Sinema is imminent. Big if true Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Obama-Biden Democrat on April 24, 2018, 10:24:52 PM Senator Sinema is imminent. Big if true Donald J. Trump Verified account @realDonaldTrump Debi Lesgo and I had a great chat before her big victory tonite. I counsiled her on how to stay strong against the biased lamestream media! The Democrat in the race was a big time chocker. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Liberalrocks on April 24, 2018, 11:32:25 PM A good showing for Tipirneni in a tough district for any dem.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 25, 2018, 12:06:00 AM WULFRIC PROJECTION:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Debbie Lesko Republican 87,580 52.6% Hiral Tipirneni Democrat 78,841 47.4 166,421 votes, 60% reporting (86 of 143 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: smoltchanov on April 25, 2018, 01:04:32 AM Very good result for Democrats, obviously....
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: MasterJedi on April 25, 2018, 08:59:32 AM Gotta love conservatives and their pet trolls are billing this is a HUGE win for Republicans, 20 point swing is awesome for them lol
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Wiz in Wis on April 25, 2018, 09:22:01 AM NYT has this as a D +31 point swing from the 2016 result. By that basis, this is the largest Congressional special swing we've seen, including Alabama (D +30) and PA-18 (D +28). Wow.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/25/us/politics/special-election-results-shift-democratic.html Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: LimoLiberal on April 25, 2018, 09:22:28 AM Gotta love conservatives and their pet trolls are billing this is a HUGE win for Republicans, 20 point swing is awesome for them lol That's fine with me. The less scared they are of a blue wave the less they turnout. I hope Trump and the Republicans think the blue wave is dead. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (4/24 - AZ-8) Post by: Brittain33 on April 25, 2018, 10:51:23 AM NYT has this as a D +31 point swing from the 2016 result. By that basis, this is the largest Congressional special swing we've seen, including Alabama (D +30) and PA-18 (D +28). Wow. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/25/us/politics/special-election-results-shift-democratic.html To be fair those AL and PA-18 races were measuring against the last contested races—2012, I think, in both cases. This is a weird measure because candidate quality mattered in old races, too. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 25, 2018, 01:16:32 PM The next special election will be the OH-12 Primary on May 8.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Gass3268 on April 25, 2018, 01:26:06 PM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Greedo punched first on April 25, 2018, 01:35:02 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 25, 2018, 01:55:26 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win. Doesn't matter much though. The runoff is in Late September. Not much of the term is left by then, and no Democrat could carry this in the regular election in November. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 25, 2018, 04:29:53 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win. Doesn't matter much though. The runoff is in Late September. Not much of the term is left by then, and no Democrat could carry this in the regular election in November. The district is about as Republican as AZ-8 and Democrats came within 5 points there during a high turnout election. If they nab TX-27 during the special, it's still possible for them to hold on in November. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on April 25, 2018, 04:51:31 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win. Doesn't matter much though. The runoff is in Late September. Not much of the term is left by then, and no Democrat could carry this in the regular election in November. The district is about as Republican as AZ-8 and Democrats came within 5 points there during a high turnout election. If they nab TX-27 during the special, it's still possible for them to hold on in November. Perhaps in a scenario where Dems are reaching 260 seats, but I don't think the current generic ballot lead of D+7 or thereabouts suggests we're in that environment for November. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Brittain33 on April 25, 2018, 06:04:01 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win. Doesn't matter much though. The runoff is in Late September. Not much of the term is left by then, and no Democrat could carry this in the regular election in November. The district is about as Republican as AZ-8 and Democrats came within 5 points there during a high turnout election. If they nab TX-27 during the special, it's still possible for them to hold on in November. Perhaps in a scenario where Dems are reaching 260 seats, but I don't think the current generic ballot lead of D+7 or thereabouts suggests we're in that environment for November. The current generic ballot lead didn’t suggest Lesko winning by a scant 5 points either, though. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 25, 2018, 06:46:50 PM If Chris Mapp (http://www.dallasobserver.com/news/meet-us-senate-hopeful-chris-mapp-who-thinks-wetbacks-should-be-shot-on-sight-7109083) runs in the TX-27 special and makes the runoff, a Democrat could win. Doesn't matter much though. The runoff is in Late September. Not much of the term is left by then, and no Democrat could carry this in the regular election in November. The district is about as Republican as AZ-8 and Democrats came within 5 points there during a high turnout election. If they nab TX-27 during the special, it's still possible for them to hold on in November. Perhaps in a scenario where Dems are reaching 260 seats, but I don't think the current generic ballot lead of D+7 or thereabouts suggests we're in that environment for November. The current generic ballot lead didn’t suggest Lesko winning by a scant 5 points either, though. If you go by the GCB, the House is basically a coinflip come Novebmer. If you go by special election trends, 260 seats is very likely undercounting the amount of seats Dems pick up. So we know the range of possibilities for November and it constitutes anything between a narrow Republican hold to a massive Democratic landslide the likes of which we haven't seen for over half-a-dozen decades. The tail end of that probability continuum that's in favor of Democrats very much encapsalutes scenarios where Democrats are winning places like TX-27, so saying they can't hold it under any situation under the regular midterm is simply incorrect. More specifically to Wulfric's point, he's making an artificial distinction between the special and the regular midterm for this seat. Democrats have been overperforming in both high and low turnout special elections (AZ-8 was similar to midterm level turnout as was PA-18), so it's nonsensical to assert that a Democrat that managed to win the special in September is inevitably screwed in November. Republicans should be favored to keep the seat like they were in AZ-8, but the closeness of that election showed us just how many supposedly "safe" Republican seats aren't actually as safe as people thought. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on April 25, 2018, 11:52:23 PM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 12:25:43 AM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win What were Lesko's issues? She didn't appear to have anything major at all against her. A bit of a Baum for an extremist, though in today's Roy Moore oriented GOP, she seemed like those second incarnation of Reagan by comparison. Seriously, she wasn't the best. Or at least let's put it this way, the candidates in Ohio 12 are of a higher caliber. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Tartarus Sauce on April 26, 2018, 12:40:00 AM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win What were Lesko's issues? She didn't appear to have anything major at all against her. A bit of a Baum for an extremist, though in today's Roy Moore oriented GOP, she seemed like those second incarnation of Reagan by comparison. Seriously, she wasn't the best. Or at least let's put it this way, the candidates in Ohio 12 are of a higher caliber. While being of higher caliber certainly helps, even A-listers flop in big waves. Just because they netted good recruits doesn't mean they shouldn't be worried about losing this race. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 26, 2018, 06:21:46 AM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win Speaking as a resident of the district, I think we have a shot if it is Balderson vs. O’Connor. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Landslide Lyndon on April 26, 2018, 07:23:12 AM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win Speaking as a resident of the district, I think we have a shot if it is Balderson vs. O’Connor. Isn't Balderson the one where establishment decided to coalesce around? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: LimoLiberal on April 26, 2018, 08:06:51 AM Nobody thinks their district/state is competitive until it is. I'm sure if you asked Duluth democrats in June 2010 if Jim Oberstar was gonna lose they would've laughed at you.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on April 26, 2018, 08:36:16 AM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win Speaking as a resident of the district, I think we have a shot if it is Balderson vs. O’Connor. Isn't Balderson the one where establishment decided to coalesce around? For the most part*, but IIRC he's also pretty conservative** (although I could be mistaken) and the only part of his State Senate seat in the district is the Muskingum County part of OH-12 (which consists of about half the county's rural areas and the city of Zanesville, the latter which is less Republican than the rest of the county). O'Connor seems like a fairly standard-issue Franklin County Democrat which will work against him in the district (Jay Goyal would've been a much better candidate and knowing what we know now, I actually think he'd win), but he's solid wave insurance and I think he's certainly stronger than the candidate we had in AZ-8. I don't know if he'll get nominated, but I suspect he will and both the swing and Democratic turnout in Franklin County will be absolutely insane no matter who wins. Balderson vs. O'Connor would basically generic rural conservative R vs. generic Franklin County D. In this district, that means Balderson probably wins, but in this environment an upset can't be ruled out either. Franklin County is gonna be really, really ugly for the Republicans this cycle across the board. A NoVA circa 2017 beatdown of all Republicans in Franklin County at the federal, state, and local level wouldn't be even remotely surprising and it could be even worse for them than NoVA was in a special election tbh (I can tell you this, even with the ODP being what it is, Franklin County is gonna have insanely high turnout in the GE and probably the special election GE, idk about the primary though). *Although I wouldn't say it's a "the fix is in" situation and I think he'd lose the primary if it were a head-to-head with a solid candidate from Franklin or Delaware County. **Specifically, rural conservative as opposed to a suburban Stivers/Tiberi type of conservative Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on April 26, 2018, 07:29:31 PM OH-12 would terrify me if I was a Republican I'm not quite feeling it over here to be honest. There's a couple important distinctions. First off, it's likely the Republicans will get a decidedly good candidate. Not a C+ grade 1 like let's go who, as noted, has issues, but some well-established state senators and / or a County prosecutor who don't have a history of being bomb-throwing right-wingers. Likewise, while the Democrats may have a decent ish candidate in the Franklin County Recorder or a Delaware business man who is garnering a number of endorsements, they're not getting a Doug Jones, Connor lamb, or Tipperani (sp?) Quality level candidate. Heck I don't think the candidates here are even up to the level of the candidates running the special elections in Kansas and South Carolina. I'm not sure these folks would be as bad as the Montana Congressional candidate ( assuming Franklin County's former Sheriff doesn't somehow win). That said, there are not just a ton of candidates running for the Republican side, but a large number of viable candidates. There's at least three or four Hunan any other District would be a consensus choice for the party to nominate. With that said and the state senators and prosecutor at least being non Neanderthal level conservatives and obviously in stablished in types, there is I suppose a reasonable chance in a heavily fractured primary vote that one or two of the well funded wingnutz could worm their way through to a win. If that's the case, either of the Democrats top two candidates would have a competitive chance to win Speaking as a resident of the district, I think we have a shot if it is Balderson vs. O’Connor. Isn't Balderson the one where establishment decided to coalesce around? For the most part*, but IIRC he's also pretty conservative** (although I could be mistaken) and the only part of his State Senate seat in the district is the Muskingum County part of OH-12 (which consists of about half the county's rural areas and the city of Zanesville, the latter which is less Republican than the rest of the county). O'Connor seems like a fairly standard-issue Franklin County Democrat which will work against him in the district (Jay Goyal would've been a much better candidate and knowing what we know now, I actually think he'd win), but he's solid wave insurance and I think he's certainly stronger than the candidate we had in AZ-8. I don't know if he'll get nominated, but I suspect he will and both the swing and Democratic turnout in Franklin County will be absolutely insane no matter who wins. Balderson vs. O'Connor would basically generic rural conservative R vs. generic Franklin County D. In this district, that means Balderson probably wins, but in this environment an upset can't be ruled out either. Franklin County is gonna be really, really ugly for the Republicans this cycle across the board. A NoVA circa 2017 beatdown of all Republicans in Franklin County at the federal, state, and local level wouldn't be even remotely surprising and it could be even worse for them than NoVA was in a special election tbh (I can tell you this, even with the ODP being what it is, Franklin County is gonna have insanely high turnout in the GE and probably the special election GE, idk about the primary though). *Although I wouldn't say it's a "the fix is in" situation and I think he'd lose the primary if it were a head-to-head with a solid candidate from Franklin or Delaware County. **Specifically, rural conservative as opposed to a suburban Stivers/Tiberi type of conservative Troy is not a freedom caucus type conservative. Thus I agree with your assessment. I'm not saying the GOP shouldn't be worried, but likewise Democrats shouldn't get overconfident by pointing to Arizona 8th and the less Republican pvi of this District, and thereby wrongly assuming this is a genuine toss-up. At least not yet. There is a freedom caucus endorsed Township Trustee running. She was the primary person I was referring to regarding the possibility of a Wingnut coalescing enough support to slip past multiple generic establishment conservatives splitting the vote by home county geography. I think O'Connor would indeed have even odds against her. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Torie on April 30, 2018, 07:19:29 AM Politico has an article (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/30/ohio-special-election-republicans-559697) this morning about the OH-12 race.
Is Rep. Jordon a Democratic Party mole? He seems like he is the Democrats' best friend, again, and again. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: GlobeSoc on April 30, 2018, 10:19:47 AM Politico has an article (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/30/ohio-special-election-republicans-559697) this morning about the OH-12 race. Is Rep. Jordon a Democratic Party mole? He seems like he is the Democrats' best friend, again, and again. No, he's just fiscally 1980s socially 1980s generally 1980s Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on May 03, 2018, 09:57:11 PM Politico has an article (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/30/ohio-special-election-republicans-559697) this morning about the OH-12 race. Is Rep. Jordon a Democratic Party mole? He seems like he is the Democrats' best friend, again, and again. No, he's just fiscally 1980s socially 1980s generally 1980s More like 1880s Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 08, 2018, 12:31:39 PM Results for this will be at https://www.politico.com/election-results/2018/ohio/ after 7:30. Please note that only the Ohio 12 special Primary election will be covered here, which is separate from the district's regular Primary election. To discuss Ohio primaries aside from the district 12 special Primary election, go to the main Primaries thread.
Other basic info on the election is in the OP. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 08, 2018, 07:58:41 PM WULFRIC PROJECTIONS:
District 12 Special Democratic Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 41.7% Danny O'Connor 3,632 17.2% Zach Scott 1,495 15.5% John Russell 1,347 10.9% Ed Albertson 951 10.8% Jackie Patton 938 3.9% Doug Wilson 340 5.8% of precincts reporting (35/603) 8,703 total votes Republican Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 39.6% Troy Balderson 4,915 22.9% Melanie Leneghan 2,840 14.1% Tim Kane 1,748 12.1% Kevin Bacon 1,508 6.5% Carol O'Brien 808 1.5% Jon Halverstadt 187 1.2% Larry Cohen 152 1.1% Mick Shoemaker 138 1% Pat Manley 128 6.1% of precincts reporting (37/603) 12,424 total votes Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on May 08, 2018, 11:22:36 PM Final:
Democratic Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 40.9% Danny O'Connor 17,966 16.8% Zach Scott 7,394 16.7% John Russell 7,341 13.5% Jackie Patton 5,952 8.1% Ed Albertson 3,543 3.9% Doug Wilson 1,732 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 43,928 total votes Republican Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 29.2% Troy Balderson 19,811 28.2% Melanie Leneghan 19,159 17.1% Tim Kane 11,576 14.3% Kevin Bacon 9,694 6.4% Carol O'Brien 4,354 1.5% Jon Halverstadt 984 1.2% Larry Cohen 796 1.1% Mick Shoemaker 736 1.1% Pat Manley 729 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 67,839 total votes Next Special is in TX-27 on June 30. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on May 08, 2018, 11:42:53 PM Final: Democratic Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 40.9% Danny O'Connor 17,966 16.8% Zach Scott 7,394 16.7% John Russell 7,341 13.5% Jackie Patton 5,952 8.1% Ed Albertson 3,543 3.9% Doug Wilson 1,732 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 43,928 total votes Republican Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 29.2% Troy Balderson 19,811 28.2% Melanie Leneghan 19,159 17.1% Tim Kane 11,576 14.3% Kevin Bacon 9,694 6.4% Carol O'Brien 4,354 1.5% Jon Halverstadt 984 1.2% Larry Cohen 796 1.1% Mick Shoemaker 736 1.1% Pat Manley 729 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 67,839 total votes Next Special is in TX-27 on June 30. We Republicans dodged a bullet nominating Troy over Leneghan. Balderson will keep this Lean R, whereas it would've been at least Lean D with Leneghan. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on May 09, 2018, 07:35:52 AM Final: Democratic Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 40.9% Danny O'Connor 17,966 16.8% Zach Scott 7,394 16.7% John Russell 7,341 13.5% Jackie Patton 5,952 8.1% Ed Albertson 3,543 3.9% Doug Wilson 1,732 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 43,928 total votes Republican Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 29.2% Troy Balderson 19,811 28.2% Melanie Leneghan 19,159 17.1% Tim Kane 11,576 14.3% Kevin Bacon 9,694 6.4% Carol O'Brien 4,354 1.5% Jon Halverstadt 984 1.2% Larry Cohen 796 1.1% Mick Shoemaker 736 1.1% Pat Manley 729 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 67,839 total votes Next Special is in TX-27 on June 30. We Republicans dodged a bullet nominating Troy over Leneghan. Balderson will keep this Lean R, whereas it would've been at least Lean D with Leneghan. I’d say it’s tilt-R with Balderson, but right on the border between tilt-R and Lean R. O’Connor could win and Goyal would’ve put this right in the middle of the tilt-D category with Balderson as the Republican nominee, but for now, Balderson has a small (but significant) advantage. Turnout is gonna be through the roof in Franklin County, but obviously that won’t be enough by itself. O’Connor needs to make big inroads in Delaware County while keeping Richland County close (losing it by 5% or less) and not getting completely blown out of the water in Licking County (that last one is the hard part imo). Morrow County is probably gonna be Balderson’s best county by a country mile, so low turnout there would help too. I assume Muskingum County will give Balderson a bigger boost than most Republicans, but if O’Connor can keep things to a 5-8% loss in Balderson’s home county (i.e. doing really well in Zanesville and holding some of the ancestrally Democratic WWC folks) then that obviously helps (although it’s not essential). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (5/8 - OH-12 Primary) Post by: Badger on May 09, 2018, 12:08:33 PM Final: Democratic Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 40.9% Danny O'Connor 17,966 16.8% Zach Scott 7,394 16.7% John Russell 7,341 13.5% Jackie Patton 5,952 8.1% Ed Albertson 3,543 3.9% Doug Wilson 1,732 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 43,928 total votes Republican Primary Percent Candidate Votes Winner 29.2% Troy Balderson 19,811 28.2% Melanie Leneghan 19,159 17.1% Tim Kane 11,576 14.3% Kevin Bacon 9,694 6.4% Carol O'Brien 4,354 1.5% Jon Halverstadt 984 1.2% Larry Cohen 796 1.1% Mick Shoemaker 736 1.1% Pat Manley 729 100% of precincts reporting (603/603) 67,839 total votes Next Special is in TX-27 on June 30. We Republicans dodged a bullet nominating Troy over Leneghan. Balderson will keep this Lean R, whereas it would've been at least Lean D with Leneghan. I’d say it’s tilt-R with Balderson, but right on the border between tilt-R and Lean R. O’Connor could win and Goyal would’ve put this right in the middle of the tilt-D category with Balderson as the Republican nominee, but for now, Balderson has a small (but significant) advantage. Turnout is gonna be through the roof in Franklin County, but obviously that won’t be enough by itself. O’Connor needs to make big inroads in Delaware County while keeping Richland County close (losing it by 5% or less) and not getting completely blown out of the water in Licking County (that last one is the hard part imo). Morrow County is probably gonna be Balderson’s best county by a country mile, so low turnout there would help too. I assume Muskingum County will give Balderson a bigger boost than most Republicans, but if O’Connor can keep things to a 5-8% loss in Balderson’s home county (i.e. doing really well in Zanesville and holding some of the ancestrally Democratic WWC folks) then that obviously helps (although it’s not essential). What an insanely gerrymandered district map, even by Ohio "standards". Morrow County will go strongly R, sure, but it'll also have the fewest votes of any county in the district by far (with the possible exception of the SE corner of Marion County the district somehow bites into). The turnout and margins in Licking and Delaware will be the key factor, with the vote totals out of Zanesville a close second. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Strudelcutie4427 on May 23, 2018, 03:21:31 PM TX-27. I’ll take Cloud by atleast 15
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on June 17, 2018, 07:54:55 AM Any recent polls for TX-27 Special Election?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: KingSweden on June 17, 2018, 09:30:33 AM TX-27. I’ll take Cloud by atleast 15 Sure I’ll go with that Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 17, 2018, 11:03:29 AM TX-27 is a Jungle Primary, so we have this YUGE field:
Democratic Party Raul (Roy) Barrera[9] Democratic Party Eric Holguin[10] Democratic Party Mike Westergren[9] Republican Party Bech Bruun[10] Republican Party Michael Cloud[10] Republican Party Marty Perez[11] Libertarian Party Daniel Tinus[9] Independent Judith Cutright[9] Independent Chris Suprun[9] -------------- So I'll guess: Cloud(R) 44%, Barrera(D) 18%, Holguin(D) 14%, Westergren(D) 8%, Brunn (R) 7%, Perez(R) 6%, Others 3% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Classic Conservative on June 17, 2018, 11:05:03 AM Bruun dropped out and endorsed Cloud.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 17, 2018, 11:09:10 AM Bruun dropped out and endorsed Cloud. Okay. It appears his name will still be listed on the ballot though. Edited prediction. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: DFL on June 24, 2018, 05:43:07 PM Bruun dropped out and endorsed Cloud. Okay. It appears his name will still be listed on the ballot though. Edited prediction. Still see LOTS of Bruun signs heading towards the Gulf Coast, specifically around Rockport and Port A. Not sure if these people know he's out... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 29, 2018, 11:35:13 PM Basic info on tomorrow's special is in the OP. Results will be here after 8 ET: https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_state.htm?x=0&y=140&id=715
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 30, 2018, 12:33:10 AM My guess, 58-42 for GOP.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on June 30, 2018, 02:53:20 PM My prediction: Cloud wins by 12%
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 30, 2018, 03:06:15 PM Is there a NYT results page for this?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on June 30, 2018, 03:25:35 PM Is there a NYT results page for this? Probably not. According to the OP, the results can be followed at https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_state.htm?x=0&y=140&id=715. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on June 30, 2018, 05:02:04 PM Is there a NYT results page for this? Probably not. According to the OP, the results can be followed at https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_state.htm?x=0&y=140&id=715. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 07:05:17 PM Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 88 6.72% 88 6.72%
Bech Bruun REP 80 6.11% 80 6.11% Michael Cloud REP 911 69.59% 911 69.59% Judith Cutright IND 5 0.38% 5 0.38% Eric Holguin DEM 199 15.20% 199 15.20% Marty Perez REP 8 0.61% 8 0.61% Christopher Suprun IND 1 0.07% 1 0.07% Daniel Tinus LIB 1 0.07% 1 0.07% Michael Westergren DEM 16 1.22% 16 1.22% ----------- ----------- Race Total 1,309 1,309 Precincts Reported 3 of 184 Precincts 1.63% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Gass3268 on June 30, 2018, 07:11:24 PM Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on June 30, 2018, 07:12:49 PM Is this a jungle election?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: fridgeking on June 30, 2018, 07:14:55 PM Is this a jungle election? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 07:18:55 PM Is there another R or D taking a bunch of votes there? That's a county which gave 61.6% of its vote to Farenthold in 2016 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: krazen1211 on June 30, 2018, 07:36:47 PM Cloud is leading early.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 30, 2018, 07:56:31 PM Cloud is leading early. Yeah, it's pretty much decided rn. Congrats Congressman Cloud I guess... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: KingSweden on June 30, 2018, 07:58:00 PM Cloud by 8 is not a bad result for Dems in all honesty
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 07:59:15 PM By how much did Trump win this district?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 07:59:21 PM Not surprising at all.
The Democratic base in this district is Latinos, and they always have bad turnout. It also doesn't help that it's a Saturday election that had almost no real attention (I've seen more coverage of state legislative specials than this election). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 08:04:13 PM RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT
U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 491 5.72% 507 5.46% Bech Bruun REP 459 5.34% 484 5.21% Michael Cloud REP 5,731 66.78% 6,139 66.12% Judith Cutright IND 32 0.37% 36 0.38% Eric Holguin DEM 1,648 19.20% 1,876 20.20% Marty Perez REP 48 0.55% 56 0.60% Christopher Suprun IND 6 0.06% 6 0.06% Daniel Tinus LIB 21 0.24% 26 0.28% Michael Westergren DEM 145 1.68% 154 1.65% ----------- ----------- Race Total 8,581 9,284 Precincts Reported 17 of 184 Precincts 9.24% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:06:22 PM Wait. On a Saturday?
From Texas of all states this is a pleasant surprise. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 08:06:37 PM RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT
U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 508 5.65% 537 5.37% Bech Bruun REP 463 5.15% 491 4.91% Michael Cloud REP 5,732 63.84% 6,324 63.29% Judith Cutright IND 32 0.35% 36 0.36% Eric Holguin DEM 1,956 21.78% 2,293 22.94% Marty Perez REP 49 0.54% 58 0.58% Christopher Suprun IND 6 0.06% 6 0.06% Daniel Tinus LIB 67 0.74% 72 0.72% Michael Westergren DEM 165 1.83% 175 1.75% ----------- ----------- Race Total 8,978 9,992 Precincts Reported 33 of 184 Precincts 17.93% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:08:18 PM NYT has Cloud at 52 with 27% in.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:08:41 PM Michael Cloud
Republican 12,302 52.6% Eric Holguin Democrat 7,568 32.4 Roy Barrera Democrat 1,298 5.6 Others 2,215 9.5 23,383 votes, 27% reporting (50 of 184 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 08:09:16 PM Both Trump and Farentholdt won the district by 24 points btw.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on June 30, 2018, 08:09:41 PM NYT has Cloud at 52 with 27% in. Do you have a source, if you don't mind? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:12:28 PM NYT has Cloud at 52 with 27% in. Do you have a source, if you don't mind? NYT has Cloud at 52 with 27% in. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 08:12:34 PM So combined vote so far-
GOP: 58.2% Dems: 40.8 So far we are looking at around a 7-point swing from 2016 NYT Link: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/30/us/politics/election-results-texas-house-district-27.html (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/30/us/politics/election-results-texas-house-district-27.html) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 08:22:17 PM RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 558 5.79% 717 4.91% Bech Bruun REP 548 5.68% 691 4.73% Michael Cloud REP 6,400 66.41% 9,472 64.87% Judith Cutright IND 38 0.39% 54 0.36% Eric Holguin DEM 1,816 18.84% 3,240 22.19% Marty Perez REP 58 0.60% 101 0.69% Christopher Suprun IND 8 0.08% 20 0.13% Daniel Tinus LIB 45 0.46% 88 0.60% Michael Westergren DEM 166 1.72% 217 1.48% ----------- ----------- Race Total 9,637 14,600 Precincts Reported 91 of 184 Precincts 49.46% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 08:22:47 PM Note that there's a tabulation error on the AP's part on the NYT page. The actual result is Cloud 308, Holguin 46, Bruun 20, Barrera 17.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner on June 30, 2018, 08:22:51 PM Possibly a sign of relative underperformance in Hispanic-heavy districts this Nov.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:26:20 PM Note that there's a tabulation error on the AP's part on the NYT page. The actual result is Cloud 308, Holguin 46, Bruun 20, Barrera 17. The actual result where? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 08:28:55 PM Note that there's a tabulation error on the AP's part on the NYT page. The actual result is Cloud 308, Holguin 46, Bruun 20, Barrera 17. The actual result where? Texas Secretary of State's website https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_county5.htm?x=0&y=0&id=304 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:31:13 PM Note that there's a tabulation error on the AP's part on the NYT page. The actual result is Cloud 308, Holguin 46, Bruun 20, Barrera 17. The actual result where? Texas Secretary of State's website https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_county5.htm?x=0&y=0&id=304 You're reading the early vote. The total vote matches the NYT total for Jackson county. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 08:32:13 PM Note that there's a tabulation error on the AP's part on the NYT page. The actual result is Cloud 308, Holguin 46, Bruun 20, Barrera 17. The actual result where? Texas Secretary of State's website https://enrpages.sos.state.tx.us/public/jun30_329_county5.htm?x=0&y=0&id=304 You're reading the early vote. The total vote matches the NYT total for Jackson county. They fixed it then. I first saw it showing Holguin at 308, the Libertarian at 46, and some random Dem in third. Those kinds of tabulation errors happen a lot but get fixed in a few minutes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 08:35:25 PM RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT
U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 1,193 5.72% 1,368 5.21% Bech Bruun REP 1,111 5.33% 1,264 4.81% Michael Cloud REP 11,395 54.70% 14,709 56.07% Judith Cutright IND 100 0.48% 118 0.44% Eric Holguin DEM 6,164 29.59% 7,747 29.53% Marty Perez REP 171 0.82% 215 0.81% Christopher Suprun IND 25 0.12% 37 0.14% Daniel Tinus LIB 73 0.35% 118 0.44% Michael Westergren DEM 599 2.87% 654 2.49% ----------- ----------- Race Total 20,831 26,230 Precincts Reported 115 of 184 Precincts 62.50% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Sestak on June 30, 2018, 08:38:49 PM NYT calls it for Cloud.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 08:49:48 PM Looks like Bastrop only went 52.2-46.2 Republican in this election. The part of Bastrop that is in TX-27 went 59-36 Trump.
As for Nueces, Dems got 50.4% while Reps got 49.6%. The whole county is in TX-27, and it went 48.8-47.2 Trump in 2016. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 08:50:39 PM WULFRIC PROJECTION: CLOUD WINS OUTRIGHT
RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 1,275 5.83% 1,696 4.84% Bech Bruun REP 1,182 5.41% 1,546 4.41% Michael Cloud REP 12,101 55.39% 18,901 53.99% Judith Cutright IND 108 0.49% 167 0.47% Eric Holguin DEM 6,288 28.78% 11,398 32.56% Marty Perez REP 178 0.81% 264 0.75% Christopher Suprun IND 26 0.11% 51 0.14% Daniel Tinus LIB 75 0.34% 141 0.40% Michael Westergren DEM 611 2.79% 841 2.40% ----------- ----------- Race Total 21,844 35,005 Precincts Reported 159 of 184 Precincts 86.41% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on June 30, 2018, 09:43:16 PM Everything is so quiet in mudeville tonight.
Wonder why? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Maxwell on June 30, 2018, 09:50:19 PM Everything is so quiet in mudevile tonight. Wonder why? A republican winning here isn't particularly surprising - Trump and Farenthold (who has always been rather toxic) both won this district with over 60% of the vote and now the combined Republican vote is just a bit below 60%. This district seemed rather inflexible - Democrats slightly improved their performances in places where democrats do better than they do in the district as a whole anyway, but most of the district voted the way it always does. I don't think anybody was anticipating a major upset here. also it's a Saturday night and only the realest of the real are probably going to be up watching results. also wow turnout is pathetically low - less people voted than the March 6th REPUBLICAN PRIMARY in the district. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on June 30, 2018, 10:06:18 PM Final Totals:
RACE NAME PARTY EARLY VOTES PERCENT TOTAL VOTES PERCENT U. S. Representative District 27 - Unexpired Term Raul (Roy) Barrera DEM 1,275 5.83% 1,747 4.81% Bech Bruun REP 1,182 5.41% 1,570 4.32% Michael Cloud REP 12,101 55.39% 19,856 54.74% Judith Cutright IND 108 0.49% 172 0.47% Eric Holguin DEM 6,288 28.78% 11,594 31.96% Marty Perez REP 178 0.81% 276 0.76% Christopher Suprun IND 26 0.11% 51 0.14% Daniel Tinus LIB 75 0.34% 144 0.39% Michael Westergren DEM 611 2.79% 858 2.36% ----------- ----------- Race Total 21,844 36,268 Precincts Reported 184 of 184 Precincts 100.00% Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on June 30, 2018, 10:11:25 PM Everything is so quiet in mudeville tonight. Wonder why? Because this was not a race to watch. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on June 30, 2018, 10:19:32 PM Let me warn you of what I believe are two losing courses of action for the Democrats
1. Attacking ICE, attacking officers, and seizing offices. 2. Accosting Republican officeholders in public or at home. That is especially true when the officeholder is a woman. Keep accosting Attorney General Bondi in Florida. See how that helps Nelson win re-election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 10:23:20 PM Let me warn you of what I believe are two losing courses of action for the Democrats 1. Attacking ICE, attacking officers, and seizing offices. 2. Accosting Republican officeholders in public or at home. That is especially true when the officeholder is a woman. Keep accosting Attorney General Bondi in Florida. See how that helps Nelson win re-election. We don't do any of that. Besides, I highly doubt that will influence the voter, who wasn't going to vote in the first place, to vote for the GOP. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Maxwell on June 30, 2018, 10:34:00 PM thanks for the bad faith advice based on the results of a district where Republicans outspent Democrats 10-1, the last GOP presidential candidate won over 60% of the vote, and voter turnout was utterly abysmal in every definition of the word.
37k people voted in this special election. 87k people voted in the AZ-8 special election... FOR HIRAL TIPERNENI, the losing candidate. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on June 30, 2018, 10:50:51 PM You all are whistling past the grave yard.
In this special election the GOP candidates received 59.82% of the vote. The Democrats received 39.13. In 2016 Farenthold received 61.69%. The Democrat 38.31% Swing to the Democrats .82 I know you did not think you would win the District. But you all thought that there would be a much larger swing. You thought you could force a run off. Please do not dissemble. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Maxwell on June 30, 2018, 10:53:54 PM lol who are you talking to? I didn't.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 10:55:47 PM lol who are you talking to? I didn't. Yankee is just shouting into the void. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on June 30, 2018, 10:56:00 PM Let me warn you of what I believe are two losing courses of action for the Democrats 1. Attacking ICE, attacking officers, and seizing offices. 2. Accosting Republican officeholders in public or at home. That is especially true when the officeholder is a woman. Keep accosting Attorney General Bondi in Florida. See how that helps Nelson win re-election. We don't do any of that. Besides, I highly doubt that will influence the voter, who wasn't going to vote in the first place, to vote for the GOP. No, you did not do it. Allies did. Maxine is encouraging it. I hope you keep believing these actions will not effect Democrats negatively. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ON Progressive on June 30, 2018, 10:58:21 PM If people are going to care more about some people shouting at Trump administration officials than Trump's actions, they were always Republican voters anyway.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 30, 2018, 10:58:52 PM Let me warn you of what I believe are two losing courses of action for the Democrats 1. Attacking ICE, attacking officers, and seizing offices. 2. Accosting Republican officeholders in public or at home. That is especially true when the officeholder is a woman. Keep accosting Attorney General Bondi in Florida. See how that helps Nelson win re-election. We don't do any of that. Besides, I highly doubt that will influence the voter, who wasn't going to vote in the first place, to vote for the GOP. No, you did not do it. Allies did. Maxine is encouraging it. I hope you keep believing these actions will not effect Democrats negatively. They won't. The shooting in Annapolis sure didn't make the GOP look good, if we're going off of your standards. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on June 30, 2018, 10:59:03 PM Good 6 point swing vs the partisan lean, I'll take it!
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Maxwell on June 30, 2018, 11:03:53 PM it'll hurt Democrats in all three households that have ICE Agents who vote Democratic downballot.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Tender Branson on June 30, 2018, 11:39:25 PM Fairly interesting that the Republican already won in the 1st round.
On the other hand, only 30.000 people voted and I guess the average CD has a population between 700.000-750.000 people, so this special election is totally meaningless. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 12:24:14 AM Good 6 point swing vs the partisan lean, I'll take it! () You are the only person I know who takes swings from partisan leans. The rational way to do it is to base it on the congressional vote in the last election which was R 61.69. D 38.31. In this election the total vote was R 59.82 D 39.13. Others 1.05. The swing is only .82. No where near 6. Let’s say we use the two major candidates. We have R 54.74. D 31.96. The R lost6.95. The Dem lost 6.35. The R lost .6 more than the D. But this is comparing apples and oranges. I do not know where you get your partisan lean. 1 do not know how you can base the actual swing in a congressional race with the presedential vote the later may play a part in determine how partisan a district might be, but it is not part in determine the swing in a congressional vote. I AM TELLING YOU THERE WAS NO 6% SWING IN THE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE IN THIS DISTRICT BETWWEEN 2016 and 2018. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 12:29:28 AM Fairly interesting that the Republican already won in the 1st round. On the other hand, only 30.000 people voted and I guess the average CD has a population between 700.000-750.000 people, so this special election is totally meaningless. But you have been telling me that Republicans have not been as motivated to vote as Democrats. Here they were almost as motivated. Now you try to change rules of analysis. In this election on this day there was basically equal motivation. Can you explain any reason for that than the ones I have listed? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BudgieForce on July 01, 2018, 12:59:15 AM I didn't even know there was an election tonight, apparently nobody in Texas did either.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 01, 2018, 01:19:19 AM Guys, we friggin won Nueces county like 50.4-48.6, this is awesome!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 01:28:57 AM TX-27 is a Jungle Primary, so we have this YUGE field: Democratic Party Raul (Roy) Barrera[9] Democratic Party Eric Holguin[10] Democratic Party Mike Westergren[9] Republican Party Bech Bruun[10] Republican Party Michael Cloud[10] Republican Party Marty Perez[11] Libertarian Party Daniel Tinus[9] Independent Judith Cutright[9] Independent Chris Suprun[9] -------------- So I'll guess: Cloud(R) 44%, Barrera(D) 18%, Holguin(D) 14%, Westergren(D) 8%, Brunn (R) 7%, Perez(R) 6%, Others 3% This was one prediction of Democrat optimism in Tex 27 that went puff Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (6/30 - TX-27) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 01:32:49 AM My prediction: Cloud wins by 12% A prediction from yesterday afternoon that went puff. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 01, 2018, 01:34:27 AM Good 6 point swing vs the partisan lean, I'll take it! () You are the only person I know who takes swings from partisan leans. The rational way to do it is to base it on the congressional vote in the last election which was R 61.69. D 38.31. In this election the total vote was R 59.82 D 39.13. Others 1.05. The swing is only .82. No where near 6. Let’s say we use the two major candidates. We have R 54.74. D 31.96. The R lost6.95. The Dem lost 6.35. The R lost .6 more than the D. But this is comparing apples and oranges. I do not know where you get your partisan lean. 1 do not know how you can base the actual swing in a congressional race with the presedential vote the later may play a part in determine how partisan a district might be, but it is not part in determine the swing in a congressional vote. I AM TELLING YOU THERE WAS NO 6% SWING IN THE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE IN THIS DISTRICT BETWWEEN 2016 and 2018. I didn't make that chart, it's what Harry Enten at CNN and formally 538 uses. Also Data Journalist for the Economist G. Elliott Morris agrees with Enten (his +5 came before all the votes were counted). Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 01:43:01 AM Good 6 point swing vs the partisan lean, I'll take it! () You are the only person I know who takes swings from partisan leans. The rational way to do it is to base it on the congressional vote in the last election which was R 61.69. D 38.31. In this election the total vote was R 59.82 D 39.13. Others 1.05. The swing is only .82. No where near 6. Let’s say we use the two major candidates. We have R 54.74. D 31.96. The R lost6.95. The Dem lost 6.35. The R lost .6 more than the D. But this is comparing apples and oranges. I do not know where you get your partisan lean. 1 do not know how you can base the actual swing in a congressional race with the presedential vote the later may play a part in determine how partisan a district might be, but it is not part in determine the swing in a congressional vote. I AM TELLING YOU THERE WAS NO 6% SWING IN THE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE IN THIS DISTRICT BETWWEEN 2016 and 2018. I didn't make that chart, it's what Harry Enten at CNN and formally 538 uses. Also Data Journalist for the Economist G. Elliott Morris agrees with Enten (his +5 came before all the votes were counted). You did not gain 6% on the GOP! PERIOD! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 01, 2018, 01:47:26 AM This kind of thing just costs Enten and so on credibility. And it opens him up to ugly attacks like this: () It's war out there guys. How? This is a legitimate way of looking at this. Multiple data journalists use this method. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 01, 2018, 01:51:58 AM Good 6 point swing vs the partisan lean, I'll take it! () You are the only person I know who takes swings from partisan leans. The rational way to do it is to base it on the congressional vote in the last election which was R 61.69. D 38.31. In this election the total vote was R 59.82 D 39.13. Others 1.05. The swing is only .82. No where near 6. Let’s say we use the two major candidates. We have R 54.74. D 31.96. The R lost6.95. The Dem lost 6.35. The R lost .6 more than the D. But this is comparing apples and oranges. I do not know where you get your partisan lean. 1 do not know how you can base the actual swing in a congressional race with the presedential vote the later may play a part in determine how partisan a district might be, but it is not part in determine the swing in a congressional vote. I AM TELLING YOU THERE WAS NO 6% SWING IN THE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE IN THIS DISTRICT BETWWEEN 2016 and 2018. I didn't make that chart, it's what Harry Enten at CNN and formally 538 uses. Also Data Journalist for the Economist G. Elliott Morris agrees with Enten (his +5 came before all the votes were counted). The Republicans got 59.8% and the Democrats got 39.1% of the vote, which is a 20 point spread. This is 6 points better than the partisan lean of the district. Therefore it's a 6 point Dem swing. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 01, 2018, 02:18:04 AM This kind of thing just costs Enten and so on credibility. And it opens him up to ugly attacks like this: () It's war out there guys. How? This is a legitimate way of looking at this. Multiple data journalists use this method. Every time someone challenges you, you just try out another appeal to authority. You realize that's a logical fallacy, right? A 60-40 Trump district that went 55-45 GOP for Congress in 2016, and re-elects its Republican Congressman 55-45 this fall would be a "10 point D swing" by your data journalist model but that doesn't get the Democrats a pickup of the seat, which is all that matters. Democrats need to make gains versus the previous Congressional vote if they are to pick up seats this fall. Arkansas Yankee at least looked at the numbers himself. Liberals need to stop idolizing these "data journalists", it's making us lazy. ::) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 01, 2018, 06:01:04 AM I mean that very table shows that a +6 swing is way less than past swings for special elections this cycle. Maybe there's something special about this race that explains Democratic underperformance, but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed out of hand.
Even 538's take is "could be bad news for Democrats, could be nothing". Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 06:04:13 AM This kind of thing just costs Enten and so on credibility. And it opens him up to ugly attacks like this: () It's war out there guys. How? This is a legitimate way of looking at this. Multiple data journalists use this method. Every time someone challenges you, you just try out another appeal to authority. You realize that's a logical fallacy, right? A 60-40 Trump district that went 55-45 GOP for Congress in 2016, and re-elects its Republican Congressman 55-45 this fall would be a "10 point D swing" by your data journalist model but that doesn't get the Democrats a pickup of the seat, which is all that matters. Democrats need to make gains versus the previous Congressional vote if they are to pick up seats this fall. Arkansas Yankee at least looked at the numbers himself. Liberals need to stop idolizing these "data journalists", it's making us lazy. Are you the leader of this pack? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 06:12:14 AM Quote from: SHO MI YOWA BUREIV HAAT link=topic=N 261809.msg6283567#msg6283567 date=1530442864 I mean that very table shows that a +6 swing is way less than past swings for special elections this cycle. Maybe there's something special about this race that explains Democratic underperformance, but that doesn't mean it should be dismissed out of hand. Why don’t you Google election swing. You all have seemed to have developed your own definition of “swing” Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: wesmoorenerd on July 01, 2018, 06:21:24 AM People are reading way too much into this, imo. People are acting like whatever the swing is is disastrous for Democrats. Why are people reading so far into a completely irrelevant special election that nobody thought was competitive? Turnout was absolutely abysmal so it's not like this is an accurate sample of how Democrats will be doing this November. Compare that to a race like AZ-08, which had good turnout and actual media attention. This is some Peak Atlas s*it right here, acting like the blue wave is dead because the Dems barely swung a low turnout, low media attention special in Texas.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 01, 2018, 07:27:16 AM People are reading way too much into this, imo. People are acting like whatever the swing is is disastrous for Democrats. Why are people reading so far into a completely irrelevant special election that nobody thought was competitive? Turnout was absolutely abysmal so it's not like this is an accurate sample of how Democrats will be doing this November. Compare that to a race like AZ-08, which had good turnout and actual media attention. This is some Peak Atlas s*it right here, acting like the blue wave is dead because the Dems barely swung a low turnout, low media attention special in Texas. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 01, 2018, 07:56:32 AM Fairly interesting that the Republican already won in the 1st round. On the other hand, only 30.000 people voted and I guess the average CD has a population between 700.000-750.000 people, so this special election is totally meaningless. But you have been telling me that Republicans have not been as motivated to vote as Democrats. Here they were almost as motivated. Now you try to change rules of analysis. In this election on this day there was basically equal motivation. Can you explain any reason for that than the ones I have listed? Turnout in this election was absolutely abysmal. Very low compared to all the other races. Are you arguing that is how things will look this November, that Dem motivation has fallen into the basement across the country? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 01, 2018, 07:57:12 AM I had not read the post two posts above mine when I wrote “absolutely abysmal.”
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: wesmoorenerd on July 01, 2018, 08:38:34 AM I had not read the post two posts above mine when I wrote “absolutely abysmal.” Great minds think alike, ya know ;) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 01, 2018, 09:45:37 AM There's no reason to throw out any data point entirely. This isn't Proof That Democrats Are Doomed or anything but it's still a data point that might tell us something about the partisan climate. There's always a good reason to dismiss any given special election's results, but the smart thing to do is to consider each of them as one noisy indicator.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BudgieForce on July 01, 2018, 11:38:29 AM Is ArkansasYankee okay?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 01, 2018, 12:33:55 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons.
For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 01, 2018, 12:50:51 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons. For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Those are fair statements. As you said, it's just one data point among others. There have been Congressional specials this cycle with some small swings, some large ones (all toward the Democrats). There's naturally going to be some variation in results among the entire set of such elections. The point is that the final margin in November is likely to be closer to the average of these results, rather than to an extreme on either end. This is the list of results compiled by Harry Enten (who, incidentally, defines swing as the change from the district's partisan lean): () Source: https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1013418919363858433 (No, I don't think the final margin in November will be D+16. As I've said elsewhere, I think this is a reasonable upper bound on the likely Democratic margin, with the GCB average as a reasonable lower bound. ) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on July 01, 2018, 12:55:08 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons. For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Those are fair statements. As you said, it's just one data point among others. There have been Congressional specials this cycle with some small swings, some large ones (all toward the Democrats). There's naturally going to be some variation in results among the entire set of such elections. The point is that the final margin in November is likely to be closer to the average of these results, rather than to an extreme on either end. This is the list of results compiled by Harry Enten (who, incidentally, defines swing as the change from the district's partisan lean): () Source: https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1013418919363858433 (No, I don't think the final margin in November will be D+16. As I've said elsewhere, I think this is a reasonable upper bound on the likely Democratic margin, with the GCB average as a reasonable lower bound. ) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: UncleSam on July 01, 2018, 12:56:13 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons. For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Those are fair statements. As you said, it's just one data point among others. There have been Congressional specials this cycle with some small swings, some large ones (all toward the Democrats). There's naturally going to be some variation in results among the entire set of such elections. The point is that the final margin in November is likely to be closer to the average of these results, rather than to an extreme on either end. This is the list of results compiled by Harry Enten (who, incidentally, defines swing as the change from the district's partisan lean): () Source: https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1013418919363858433 (No, I don't think the final margin in November will be D+16. As I've said elsewhere, I think this is a reasonable upper bound on the likely Democratic margin, with the GCB average as a reasonable lower bound. ) Based on the special election performance I think a prediction of D+16 is very silly, even as a ‘ceiling’. There’s no reason to think Democrats will even come close to that unless they have a great campaign cycle and the generic ballot lead opens up a lot wider. Unfortunately such a swing would be impossible to see in special election results because there is only one more prior to November. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 01, 2018, 01:10:22 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons. For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Those are fair statements. As you said, it's just one data point among others. There have been Congressional specials this cycle with some small swings, some large ones (all toward the Democrats). There's naturally going to be some variation in results among the entire set of such elections. The point is that the final margin in November is likely to be closer to the average of these results, rather than to an extreme on either end. This is the list of results compiled by Harry Enten (who, incidentally, defines swing as the change from the district's partisan lean): () Source: https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1013418919363858433 (No, I don't think the final margin in November will be D+16. As I've said elsewhere, I think this is a reasonable upper bound on the likely Democratic margin, with the GCB average as a reasonable lower bound. ) Based on the special election performance I think a prediction of D+16 is very silly, even as a ‘ceiling’. There’s no reason to think Democrats will even come close to that unless they have a great campaign cycle and the generic ballot lead opens up a lot wider. Unfortunately such a swing would be impossible to see in special election results because there is only one more prior to November. Perhaps I should have called the average special swing an "absolute" ceiling. I do expect the final result to be between that and the GCB average, but much closer to the latter. For example, with today's GCB average of D+7 and the D+16 average special swing, I'd guess that the November margin is on the order of D+9 or 10. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Thunder98 🇮🇱 🤝 🇵🇸 on July 01, 2018, 02:49:01 PM My prediction: Cloud wins by 12% My prediction was wrong, oh well Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 01, 2018, 08:04:33 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Badger on July 01, 2018, 10:25:34 PM lol who are you talking to? I didn't. Yankee is just shouting into the void. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 02, 2018, 01:12:45 AM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: wesmoorenerd on July 02, 2018, 08:13:32 AM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 02, 2018, 11:28:31 AM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 02, 2018, 11:42:31 AM It would be fair to say that there is no modern precedent in Texas that would give us reason to think O'Rourke has a shot at winning.
(Even Alabama, before Jones, had elected a Democratic governor in 1998 who nearly won reelection in 2002.) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 02, 2018, 12:00:00 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. Polling was fine in 2016. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ON Progressive on July 02, 2018, 12:01:53 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. You would think a forum which is solely dedicated to US elections would stop peddling garbage like this that you see from Youtube comment sections. I made a post a while ago that "STATEWIDE POLLS WERE OFF A LOT" was mostly not true. I won't quote it here since it's a long list, but just know that the only states with polling errors above 4% were OH (Trump was leading in the polling average anyway), IA (Trump was also leading in the polling average anyway), and WI. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on July 02, 2018, 12:02:28 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. Polling was fine in 2016. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 02, 2018, 05:46:34 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. You would think a forum which is solely dedicated to US elections would stop peddling garbage like this that you see from Youtube comment sections. I made a post a while ago that "STATEWIDE POLLS WERE OFF A LOT" was mostly not true. I won't quote it here since it's a long list, but just know that the only states with polling errors above 4% were OH (Trump was leading in the polling average anyway), IA (Trump was also leading in the polling average anyway), and WI. Well, 4% more than made the difference in a bunch of states, so a 4% error allowance seems big to me. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ON Progressive on July 02, 2018, 05:54:55 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. You would think a forum which is solely dedicated to US elections would stop peddling garbage like this that you see from Youtube comment sections. I made a post a while ago that "STATEWIDE POLLS WERE OFF A LOT" was mostly not true. I won't quote it here since it's a long list, but just know that the only states with polling errors above 4% were OH (Trump was leading in the polling average anyway), IA (Trump was also leading in the polling average anyway), and WI. Well, 4% more than made the difference in a bunch of states, so a 4% error allowance seems big to me. Literally the only state with a polling error above 4% that changed the result from the polling average was Wisconsin. PA didn't require even a 3% polling error to flip from the polling average. Your narrative is easily annihilated the moment it faces actual scrutiny. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 02, 2018, 06:06:19 PM I mean, it would be fair to take from this result some pessimism on Beto O'Rourke's chances, given that he'd need some kind of major shift in Texas voting patterns that might be unexpected Hispanic turnout which didn't show up here. Well, given that O'Rourke never had a shot at winning in the first place, this really isn't news. Lmao he's down 5 in the latest poll. If being down 5 means you have no shot then we might as well call WV, MT, and MO Safe D at this point. Polling isn't everything, as we learned in 2016. You would think a forum which is solely dedicated to US elections would stop peddling garbage like this that you see from Youtube comment sections. I made a post a while ago that "STATEWIDE POLLS WERE OFF A LOT" was mostly not true. I won't quote it here since it's a long list, but just know that the only states with polling errors above 4% were OH (Trump was leading in the polling average anyway), IA (Trump was also leading in the polling average anyway), and WI. Well, 4% more than made the difference in a bunch of states, so a 4% error allowance seems big to me. Literally the only state with a polling error above 4% that changed the result from the polling average was Wisconsin. PA didn't require even a 3% polling error to flip from the polling average. Your narrative is easily annihilated the moment it faces actual scrutiny. What about Michigan? And my point was that such a study should only allow a 2% error or so, not 4%, given the extreme closeness of the election. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 02, 2018, 06:09:34 PM Polls are not magic. You simply can't get estimates of election outcomes that are THAT precise. Maybe some day people will invent a better tool to predict election results, but that day isn't today.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 02, 2018, 07:34:16 PM Polls are not magic. You simply can't get estimates of election outcomes that are THAT precise. Maybe some day people will invent a better tool to predict election results, but that day isn't today. And if that is the case, then it should be very easy to understand why my ratings are more than a reflection of the RCP average. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 03, 2018, 08:54:26 PM O'Connor has a decent shot at pulling off the upset
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on July 03, 2018, 08:55:10 PM O'Connor has a decent shot at pulling off the upset And why do you say that? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on July 03, 2018, 09:08:39 PM It would be an upset if Balderson won.
O Connor winning is the expected result. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on July 03, 2018, 09:09:52 PM It would be an upset if Balderson won. O Connor winning is the expected result. Reported for trolling Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Bidenworth2020 on July 03, 2018, 09:22:43 PM It would be an upset if Balderson won. O Connor winning is the expected result. Reported for trolling Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Kyle Rittenhouse is a Political Prisoner on July 03, 2018, 09:47:30 PM I never said this election indicated a disaster for Democrats. I merely pointed out there was no 6 point swing. I also stated the voter enthusiasm was about the same for both parties.. I stated some reasons why this might be so. There may be other reasons. For now the election in Texas 27 stands alone. It is a anomaly. To be a harbinger it must be confirmed. I am late posting this, as I went to church. Those are fair statements. As you said, it's just one data point among others. There have been Congressional specials this cycle with some small swings, some large ones (all toward the Democrats). There's naturally going to be some variation in results among the entire set of such elections. The point is that the final margin in November is likely to be closer to the average of these results, rather than to an extreme on either end. This is the list of results compiled by Harry Enten (who, incidentally, defines swing as the change from the district's partisan lean): () Source: https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1013418919363858433 (No, I don't think the final margin in November will be D+16. As I've said elsewhere, I think this is a reasonable upper bound on the likely Democratic margin, with the GCB average as a reasonable lower bound. ) Based on the special election performance I think a prediction of D+16 is very silly, even as a ‘ceiling’. There’s no reason to think Democrats will even come close to that unless they have a great campaign cycle and the generic ballot lead opens up a lot wider. Unfortunately such a swing would be impossible to see in special election results because there is only one more prior to November. Meanwhile, Democratic overperformance is essentially uncorrelated to turnout. I'd guess Democrats are currently on track to win the house PV by about 12 points. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BuckeyeNut on July 03, 2018, 09:58:52 PM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Maxwell on July 04, 2018, 11:45:42 AM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening. that's... worrisome. Tell me this then - do you think it's more likely that O'Connor wins in a shocker or that Balderson scores a double digit victory? Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 04, 2018, 12:22:35 PM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening. that's... worrisome. Tell me this then - do you think it's more likely that O'Connor wins in a shocker or that Balderson scores a double digit victory? Troy Balderson. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Tintrlvr on July 04, 2018, 01:10:30 PM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening. The biggest Democratic outperformances thus far this cycle have been in seats everyone was ignoring until the last minute. True, none of them were actual victories, but still. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BuckeyeNut on July 04, 2018, 08:13:06 PM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening. that's... worrisome. Tell me this then - do you think it's more likely that O'Connor wins in a shocker or that Balderson scores a double digit victory? O'Connor. Balderson may be favored, but not for a double-digit dunk. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Badger on July 06, 2018, 01:10:49 AM No one is really excited or talking about OH-12 on the ground. It just hasn't captured the imagination like the past special elections over the year. The election is just a month away. I think this is a race Democrats could win -- if they knew it was happening. that's... worrisome. Tell me this then - do you think it's more likely that O'Connor wins in a shocker or that Balderson scores a double digit victory? O'Connor. Balderson may be favored, but not for a double-digit dunk. This. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 12, 2018, 05:08:17 PM Balderson wins by 7
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on July 12, 2018, 08:13:10 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 12, 2018, 08:17:15 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 12, 2018, 08:22:40 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Also this is just in Franklin County. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ON Progressive on July 12, 2018, 08:25:49 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Also this is just in Franklin County. Also, this isn't even partisan registration (Ohio doesn't have that). It's just what party you voted for the last primary you voted in IIRC. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: America Needs a 13-6 Progressive SCOTUS on July 12, 2018, 09:58:23 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Also this is just in Franklin County. Also, this isn't even partisan registration (Ohio doesn't have that). It's just what party you voted for the last primary you voted in IIRC. Which if anything, is probably skewed towards Republicans. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: KingSweden on July 12, 2018, 10:55:25 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Also this is just in Franklin County. Also, this isn't even partisan registration (Ohio doesn't have that). It's just what party you voted for the last primary you voted in IIRC. Which if anything, is probably skewed towards Republicans. Our collective point here is that it’s a nice data point but not worth over-interpreting Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on July 14, 2018, 10:04:33 PM O’Connor up 2-1 in early voting https://mobile.twitter.com/darreldrowland/status/1017200227298791425 That is not a correct conclusion from the data. Nobody knows who those votes were cast for until they are counted. Also this is just in Franklin County. Also, this isn't even partisan registration (Ohio doesn't have that). It's just what party you voted for the last primary you voted in IIRC. Which if anything, is probably skewed towards Republicans. Yeah, it is, because lots of non-republicans took a republican ballot in 2016 to vote for Kasich in hopes it would help deny Trump the nomination. Republican Ballots had a YUGE advantage in primary turnout as a result. This was also why Hillary won that primary by as much as she did, lots of Sanders folks crossed over and voted for Kasich. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 14, 2018, 11:59:31 PM I trust Miles, this race is back on my radar.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 15, 2018, 12:06:53 AM I trust Miles, this race is back on my radar. Yes it is Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on July 15, 2018, 12:25:34 AM Ha told you guy http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180714/capitol-insider--local-democrats-show-early-voting-interest?template=ampart&__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 15, 2018, 12:34:51 AM Looks like the GOP took this race for granted
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: terp40hitch on July 15, 2018, 03:06:33 AM Looks like the GOP took this race for granted Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 15, 2018, 08:02:27 AM I said Balderson should win by seven. But, even if he does win, DeWine should be worried, cause the Dems are energized
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 15, 2018, 02:49:32 PM Is there enough time for the Politico article “Republicans are freaking out about loser candidate in special election” followed a week later by “Republicans knocking on doors, making phone calls to ensure victory in special election”? I feel like we got that series at least twice already.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on July 15, 2018, 03:17:57 PM One of the former GOP primary candidates is endorsing O’Connor https://shareblue.com/danny-oconnor-republican-endorsement-troy-balderson-ohio/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 15, 2018, 04:11:48 PM One of the former GOP primary candidates is endorsing O’Connor https://shareblue.com/danny-oconnor-republican-endorsement-troy-balderson-ohio/amp/?__twitter_impression=true Nice! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Arkansas Yankee on July 15, 2018, 07:38:29 PM One of the former GOP primary candidates is endorsing O’Connor https://shareblue.com/danny-oconnor-republican-endorsement-troy-balderson-ohio/amp/?__twitter_impression=true That candidate got 783 votes. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 16, 2018, 09:44:11 AM O'Bannon will wind up winning, hello Rep elect OBannon😁
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: President Punxsutawney Phil on July 16, 2018, 09:47:02 AM O'Bannon will wind up winning, hello Rep elect OBannon😁 Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 16, 2018, 02:34:36 PM Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Zaybay on July 16, 2018, 02:35:47 PM I dont think hes winning this. He will need a lot of momentum to take this.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ON Progressive on July 16, 2018, 02:38:11 PM I dont think hes winning this. He will need a lot of momentum to take this. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Zaybay on July 16, 2018, 02:40:14 PM I dont think hes winning this. He will need a lot of momentum to take this. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 16, 2018, 02:46:00 PM > internals, guys
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 16, 2018, 02:56:41 PM The Green candidate is *not* getting 5%. The fact O'Connor is down by 5 in his own internal and has to inflate totals for a Green candidate to give the impression there are gettable leftist voters in this district not in his 43% is what gives cause for skepticism. This poll is consistent with him losing like Tiperary.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 16, 2018, 03:10:55 PM Everyone knows it is an internal. Certainly more credible than a lot of the stuff posted on this forum!
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Zaybay on July 16, 2018, 03:14:16 PM Everyone knows it is an internal. Certainly more credible than a lot of the stuff posted on this forum! But I feel internals get a bad name, always cast aside as garbage. Internals can sometimes be the most accurate data for a race, cause the candidate wants to know the exact numbers. Its bad that he released these, but lets wait a bit. If the R(cant recall the name) doesn't release a counter, then that says a lot more. It says that A. they dont have internals that say hes in the lead or commanding B. The internal released is rather close to the results they are getting. There was a thing about this on G Elliott Morris about this, I believe. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 16, 2018, 04:50:36 PM DeWine is leading in the same poll that showed Brown ahead by 4. DeWine leads 42-38, OH leans R
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 16, 2018, 05:11:02 PM DeWine is leading in the same poll that showed Brown ahead by 4. DeWine leads 42-38, OH leans R It’s a TEA PARTY POLL. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 16, 2018, 05:47:33 PM DeWine is leading in the same poll that showed Brown ahead by 4. DeWine leads 42-38, OH leans R Brown is not winning by 4 lol Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 16, 2018, 06:47:36 PM I was just saying that it's not like Cordray has suddenly taken the lead and is leading by six, like most Democrats think he's gonna win by; however, Sherrod Brown will win by six. Neither, are Dems gonna win FL by six, which had Putman ahead of Dems as well.,
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 17, 2018, 03:25:11 AM Don't most polls have Brown up by double digits?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: OneJ on July 17, 2018, 03:31:00 AM Don't most polls have Brown up by double digits? Yep and over or close to 50 as well. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 17, 2018, 12:25:48 PM The polls also said Brown would win by double digits with Josh Mandel
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BuckeyeNut on July 18, 2018, 12:35:12 AM The polls also said Brown would win by double digits with Josh Mandel Not after May of the election year... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 18, 2018, 03:45:45 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here:
() The numbers on the right are Absentee returns from the 2016 General Election in the 4 counties where I could find them for the same period that absentee balloting has been open as of yesterday. Edit: Fixed cropping. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Zaybay on July 18, 2018, 03:47:32 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here: () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 18, 2018, 03:50:18 PM Uh, I will try to fix the chart, but the right side is a direct comparison to absentee vote numbers in 2016 (to the same day in the cycle) for the four counties where I could find the data.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 18, 2018, 04:04:41 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here: () The numbers on the right are Absentee returns from the 2016 General Election in the 4 counties where I could find them for the same period that absentee balloting has been open as of yesterday. Edit: Fixed cropping. Chart is fixed! Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Doimper on July 18, 2018, 04:08:06 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here: () The numbers on the right are Absentee returns from the 2016 General Election in the 4 counties where I could find them for the same period that absentee balloting has been open as of yesterday. Edit: Fixed cropping. Wow, look at all that disarray. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: BuckeyeNut on July 18, 2018, 07:00:02 PM This where O'Connor has to be at a minimum to win. It should be noted, that in 2012, Obama lost the day-of vote in Ohio, but blew out early-vote roughly 60-40.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Zaybay on July 18, 2018, 08:01:57 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here: () The numbers on the right are Absentee returns from the 2016 General Election in the 4 counties where I could find them for the same period that absentee balloting has been open as of yesterday. Edit: Fixed cropping. I swear to god if its the Green candidate..... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 18, 2018, 08:13:14 PM I managed to track down the Absentee Vote returns for 6 of the 7 counties in OH-12, current as of close of business yesterday. Pretty stark numbers here: () The numbers on the right are Absentee returns from the 2016 General Election in the 4 counties where I could find them for the same period that absentee balloting has been open as of yesterday. Edit: Fixed cropping. I swear to god if its the Green candidate..... The percentages for the four-county '18 totals are goofy. 513/1566 is more like 33%, not 21%, and 96/1566 is about 6%, not 3.4%. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 18, 2018, 08:25:07 PM Yeah I definitely messed up the percentages there, not sure how it happened. Btw, here is the cumulatitve take including today's update:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 18, 2018, 08:31:43 PM And here is a histogram of the cumulative early votes so far across the 6 counties:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 19, 2018, 04:36:44 AM That's not a histogram :P but thanks for the data anyway. ;)
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 19, 2018, 07:05:53 PM What is this foolish memery?! *frantic rees*.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: GeorgiaModerate on July 20, 2018, 11:31:14 AM Here's a vote of appreciation for Ebsy for providing these ballot total updates.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: KingSweden on July 20, 2018, 11:40:35 AM Here's a vote of appreciation for Ebsy for providing these ballot total updates. x KS Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Gass3268 on July 20, 2018, 12:12:13 PM Saw some tweets online here that the early vote behavior for the special has been different that past cycles as the Democratic lead has grown everyday of the early vote period, which is now at the half way point. Will it last? Who knows, but something different is happening right now.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 20, 2018, 04:02:04 PM Thanks everyone! Here's today's updated numbers:
() Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on July 24, 2018, 05:27:49 PM This is a must win, although it maybe difficult with Trump approvals in Ohio to win
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Wisconsin SC Race 2019 on July 24, 2018, 05:29:34 PM Thanks everyone! Here's today's updated numbers: () Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on July 24, 2018, 05:32:05 PM Thanks everyone! Here's today's updated numbers: () Most analysts say the number O'Connor needs is 60%... Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on July 24, 2018, 05:32:37 PM This is a must win, although it maybe difficult with Trump approvals in Ohio to win His approvals in Ohio are not great. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Hindsight was 2020 on July 24, 2018, 06:02:40 PM God to see his % up
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Ebsy on July 24, 2018, 09:13:40 PM The updated numbers are in the other thread.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Brittain33 on July 25, 2018, 08:22:39 AM It's interesting to see these numbers, but again, we should be very cautious in comparing them to other elections and hoping to derive benchmarks since they are a relatively small share of the total votes and we don't know what election day voting will look like. All we can get from this is that Democratic intensity is showing up in early voting, just as there's a small core of Democrats voting in every special election everywhere this year, and we don't see signs of a Republican organization in early voting.
I keep getting flashbacks to Democratic confidence drawn from Florida and Nevada in 2016 which I believed proved that Dems had won the election. I was surprised by Republican turnout off the chart on Election Day. The fundamentals of this race still point to a toss-up with a slight tilt to Rs. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: socaldem on July 28, 2018, 12:49:51 PM How’s the Jim Jodrdan scandal playing in the district? Could this give Balderson an opening?
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: wesmoorenerd on July 28, 2018, 01:12:42 PM How’s the Jim Jodrdan scandal playing in the district? Could this give Balderson an opening? A scandal involving a rep from another district is going to have pretty much no effect on this district. Also, even if it did have an effect, I fail to see how Balderson would receive any benefit from it. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Co-Chair Bagel23 on July 28, 2018, 01:33:03 PM How’s the Jim Jodrdan scandal playing in the district? Could this give Balderson an opening? peak atlas Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: socaldem on July 28, 2018, 01:48:34 PM How’s the Jim Jodrdan scandal playing in the district? Could this give Balderson an opening? peak atlas LOL. I meant could it help O'Connor. http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180726/after-blasting-oconnor-over-pelosi-balderson-wont-say-if-hed-back-jordan-as-speaker Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: cp on July 29, 2018, 02:19:59 AM Thanks everyone! Here's today's updated numbers: () Most analysts say the number O'Connor needs is 60%... Surely the more relevant statistic is what the proportion of early votes is relative to the overall total, which we won't know until the election is over. Has the proportion of EV to Eday votes changed very much in recent special elections? If so, O'Connor being at 60% may be well more than enough, or, conversely, him being at 75% still might leave him short. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Progressive Pessimist on July 29, 2018, 07:28:37 PM How’s the Jim Jodrdan scandal playing in the district? Could this give Balderson an opening? peak atlas LOL. I meant could it help O'Connor. http://www.dispatch.com/news/20180726/after-blasting-oconnor-over-pelosi-balderson-wont-say-if-hed-back-jordan-as-speaker In spite of you making an error in your post, with how cynical and shameless the GOP has become I wouldn't be surprised if some Republican voters now turn out for Balderson in order to stand up to the "fake news" and their accusations against Jordan. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: ajwiopjawefoiwefnwn on July 31, 2018, 10:16:33 PM Surely the more relevant statistic is what the proportion of early votes is relative to the overall total, which we won't know until the election is over. Has the proportion of EV to Eday votes changed very much in recent special elections? If so, O'Connor being at 60% may be well more than enough, or, conversely, him being at 75% still might leave him short. Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 10:41:45 AM OP is updated with basic info on today's election. Results will be here after 7:30 ET: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/07/us/elections/results-ohio-special-house-election-district-12.html
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 06:55:23 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 17,079 63.7% Troy Balderson Rep. 9,507 35.5 Joe Manchik Green 225 0.8 26,811 votes, <1% reporting (0 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: 100% pro-life no matter what on August 07, 2018, 07:04:36 PM Looks like the NYT might have removed election results from the paywall again and replaced the paywall with a massive ad to buy a subscription.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 07:19:45 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 22,653 62.5% Troy Balderson Rep. 13,322 36.8 Joe Manchik Green 267 0.7 36,242 votes, 1% reporting (7 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 07:34:56 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 27,407 56.7% Troy Balderson Rep. 20,596 42.6 Joe Manchik Green 361 0.7 48,364 votes, 9% reporting (53 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 07:51:09 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 30,444 55.4% Troy Balderson Rep. 24,134 43.9 Joe Manchik Green 412 0.7 54,990 votes, 18% reporting (106 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 07:54:54 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 43,968 53.4% Troy Balderson Rep. 37,754 45.9 Joe Manchik Green 572 0.7 82,294 votes, 31% reporting (186 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 08:16:42 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Danny O’Connor Dem. 62,804 50.6% Troy Balderson Rep. 60,486 48.7 Joe Manchik Green 826 0.7 124,116 votes, 59% reporting (349 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 08:21:37 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Troy Balderson Republican 68,763 50.3% Danny O’Connor Democrat 66,925 49.0 Joe Manchik Green 904 0.7 136,592 votes, 66% reporting (391 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: krazen1211 on August 07, 2018, 08:51:21 PM Delaware County vote drop. Big lead for Balderson.
Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 08:51:48 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Troy Balderson Republican 89,666 50.0% Danny O’Connor Democrat 88,635 49.4 Joe Manchik Green 1,056 0.6 179,357 votes, 89% reporting (524 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 09:07:11 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Troy Balderson Republican 95,677 49.9% Danny O’Connor Democrat 94,936 49.5 Joe Manchik Green 1,102 0.6 191,715 votes, 95% reporting (562 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 09:19:05 PM APPARENT WINNER:
CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT. Troy Balderson Republican 100,044 50.1% Danny O’Connor Democrat 98,359 49.3 Joe Manchik Green 1,120 0.6 199,523 votes, 99% reporting (584 of 591 precincts) Title: Re: Congressional Special Elections Results Thread (8/7 - OH-12) Post by: Attorney General & Senator Dwarven Dragon on August 07, 2018, 09:55:25 PM CANDIDATE PARTY VOTES PCT.
Troy Balderson Republican 101,574 50.2% Danny O’Connor Democrat 99,820 49.3 Joe Manchik Green 1,127 0.6 202,521 votes, 100% reporting (591 of 591 precincts) |