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Title: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 06, 2017, 06:16:59 PM
Legislative elections will be held in Argentina on 22 October 2017.
The election is held in "two" rounds: the PASO (August 13) and the actual election

In he PASO (Simultaneous and mandatory open primaries) all parties run primary elections in a single election. All parties must take part in it, both the parties with internal factions and parties with a single candidate list. Citizens may vote for any candidate of any party.

Parties must also get 1.5% or higher of the vote in the district they're running in  to be allowed to run in the main elections

In this election we'll vote for 127 out of 257 Deputies (Representatives) , from all provinces (and the Autonomous City of Buenos Aires), and  24 out of  72 Senators, representing 8 provinces

Deputies are voted by proportional representation using the D'Hondt method in a closed list with a 3% threshold, each province voted for their own deputies.

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Senators from one province are all elected at the same time and the allocation is: 2 for the largest party and 1 for the second largest
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Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 06, 2017, 07:22:19 PM
Buenos Aires Province is by far the most important province voting in this election, as it gets 27% of all deputies voted in this election
Despite the Province's traditional Peronist leanings, it has recently turned into a closer district.


Senator candidates:

Frente para la Victoria:

-Cristina Kirchner, the former president hasn't formally announced her intention to run, but it's for all purposes an open secret, and has been endorsed by several mayors who think she should be a "unity candidate" for the FPV and that the primaries should be avoided

-Florencio Randazzo, who is seen as one of the most honest and efficient ministers in Cristina's cabinet .He tried to run for President in 2017, but he was rejected by the majority of the FPV's politicians. He may be sharing the list  with former President of the Chamber of Deputies and failed 2015 pre-candidate for governor Julian Dominguez His main endorsement is former Chief of cabinet Alberto Fernández , who recently distanced himself from Massa

Cambiemos
No candidates so far as Lilita Carrió and Jorge Macri have rejected this candidacy, and Facundo Manes has been demoted to the first candidate in the deputy on Cambiemos' ballot

Frente para la Victoria+GEN
-Sergio Massa+Margarita Stolbizer . An unusual alliance between Massa's Frente Renovador (a moderate populist party without s strong ideology) and Stolbizer (a progressing) and her allies




Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Dr Oz Lost Party! on June 06, 2017, 07:44:45 PM
Dear God, nobody needs Kirchner back in politics.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 06, 2017, 07:49:07 PM
Buenos Aires City votes only for Deputies and is Macro's strongest district.

Cambiemos:
The formula will be led by Elisa "Lilita" Carrió, who will be renewing her seat. She has a long political career (running unsuccessfully for the presidency in all elections since 2003)  for the presidency in is seen as one of the country's most honest politicians and comes from a myriad of progressive parties and often distances herself from Macri despite being in the same alliance

ECO
The non-kirchnerista center-left coalition in the City is led by Martin Loustau, Minister if Economy (2007-2008) under Cristina, he resigned in opposition to the counter-revolution measures regard inflation and the general unpleasantness of secretary of commerce (a lower ranked possition) Guillermo Moreno and allied himself with Carrió, with whom he was in the 2013 legislative elections. He ran in 2015 for the position of Mayor of the City, and got second place behing Cambiemos/Pro's Horacio Rodriguez Larreta, and was named by Macri as ambassador to the US (in a , a "kicked upstairs" fashion)  from which he recently resigned. he'll be running a very Trudeauvian campaign (update: he has made the fact that Cambiemos gets free advertisiing from the City government his campaign central reason, for some odd reason)

Frente Para la Victoria
The main formulas within the kirchnerista block may be those of Daniel Filmus and Juan Cabandie, the district has generally been a bad one for the kirchneristas and peronismo in general.



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Kamala on June 06, 2017, 08:06:55 PM
Dear God, nobody needs Kirchner back in politics.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: RodPresident on June 06, 2017, 08:22:41 PM
Buenos Aires Province is by far the most important province voting in this election, as it gets 27% of all deputies voted in this election
Despite the Province's traditional Peronist leanings, it has recently turned into a closer district.


Senator candidates:

Frente para la Victoria:

-Cristina Kirchner, the former president hasn't formally announced her intention to run, but it's for all purposes an open secret, and has been endorsed by several mayors who think she should be a "unity candidate" for the FPV and that the primaries should be avoided

-Florencio Randazzo, who is seen as one of the most honest and efficient ministers in Cristina's cabinet . He tried to run for President in 2017, but he was rejected by the majority of the FPV's politicians. He may be sharing the list with former President of the Chamber of Deputies and failed 2015 pre-candidate for governor Julian Dominguez His main endorsement is former Chief of cabinet
Alberto Fernández who recently distanced himself from Massa

Cambiemos
No candidates so far as Lilita Carrió and Jorge Macri have rejected this candidacy, and Facundo Manes has been demoted to the first candidate in the deputy on Cambiemos' ballot

Frente para la Victoria+GEN
-Sergio Massa+Margarita Stolbizer . An unusual alliance between Massa's Frente Renovador (a moderate populist party without s strong ideology) and Stolbizer (a progressing) and her allies

Candidates for Deputies:

-FPV:

We  need to remember that senatorial election rule is that 1st placed list gets 2 seats and 2nd most voted list gets 1 seat, independently of results.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: seb_pard on June 06, 2017, 08:38:30 PM
It's very strange to see an alliance between Massa and Stolbizer. I don't know too much about Argentinian politics but I have a feeling that Massa is still lost and confused after being unabled to became the leader of Macri's opposition.

Could this mean the end of Peronism as we know it or is just a politician trying to save his career?


Also what about the PTS? I remember Nicolas del Caño, I liked him.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 06, 2017, 08:46:03 PM
It's very strange to see an alliance between Massa and Stolbizer. I don't know too much about Argentinian politics but I have a feeling that Massa is still lost and confused after being unabled to became the leader of Macri's opposition.

Could this mean the end of Peronism as we know it or is just a politician trying to save his career?


Also what about the PTS? I remember Nicolas del Caño, I liked him.

Both Massa and Stolbizer are confused, as Stolbizer decided to run for president and got an awful 2.5% when she could've gotten a decent result had she ran in the Province

Option 1

The FIT isn't going through a great moment, after the PTS got closer to the kirchneristas a few months ago and there's a lot of distrust between the Partido Obrero and PTS. I don't know how much this will affect the candidacies in each province, but I think they'll compete in the primaries under a single coalition


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 06, 2017, 09:24:12 PM
It's very strange to see an alliance between Massa and Stolbizer. I don't know too much about Argentinian politics but I have a feeling that Massa is still lost and confused after being unabled to became the leader of Macri's opposition.

Could this mean the end of Peronism as we know it or is just a politician trying to save his career?

Sergio Massa came a strong third (21.4%) in the first round of the 2015 presidential election. The Federal UNA (featuring Frente Renovador and De la Sota's Union for Córdoba) is the third largest block in the Chamber of Deputies (37 seats).

Margarita Stolbizer came in fifth place with only 2.5% of the vote. Her result in Buenos Aires province was also poor. The centre-left non-peronist alliance (Progresistas) got a similarly terrible result in the legislative elections, winning a single seat (Victoria Donda in Buenos Aires City) when it was defending 12 seats won in 2011. That alliance is not going to run in this legislative election and its different parties (Socialists, GEN, Libres del Sur) will try to make alliances with other blocks at provincial level.

Thus it's not so strange that in order to survive Margarita Stolbizer makes an alliance with Sergio Massa in Buenos Aires Province. Stolbizer is anti-Kirchner and the Macri's Cambiemos alliance is too right-leaning for her. Despite his ambiguity and opportunism, Sergio Massa represents a certain third way between Macri and the Kirchner clan. There are no more options left.

It's good news that Lousteau runs in a centre-left front in Buenos Aires city.

On the other hand, I think that the alliance between the Socialist Party and the UCR in Santa Fe province will be broken in this election. The Civic Radical Union might join Cambiemos thus the PS will have a tough match in its traditional stronghold. The province is governed by the Civic and Social Front (FPCS: PS+UCR) since 2007.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 06, 2017, 09:35:24 PM
Yes, the Frente Progresista (PS, a small part of the UCR and their barely relevant allies) will run on its own and the Santafecina UCR will be a part of Cambiemos, the Peronistas will run on a unified list


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: jimrtex on June 06, 2017, 11:55:09 PM
In this election we'll vote for 127 out of 257 Deputies (Representatives) , from all provinces (and the Autonomous City of Buenos Aires), and  24 out of  72 Senators, representing 8 provinces

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I may never have seen a political map of Argentina by itself. Buenos Aires is quite near the north-south center of the country. I was trying to figure out why all the provinces up by Paraguay had so few deputies, or whether there was an inset map for Buenos Aires.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: DC Al Fine on June 07, 2017, 04:41:29 AM
Could someone give a brief explanation of the Argentine party system?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 07, 2017, 06:49:34 AM
Could someone give a brief explanation of the Argentine party system?

There are two main alliances:
Cambiemos, the ruling coalition, an alliance between :
  -Pro, a Buenos Aires City-centered center-right party
  -and the UCR (or Radicales) a vaguely center-left to center-right centenarian "party" (the UCR works closer to a loose alliance of provincial parties than as an actual party). The UCR was traditionally one of the two big parties, but their role diminished significantly after​ the disaster that was the De La Rúa administration

Frente Para la Victoria, the ruling coalition between 2003  and 2015, a left wing peronista alliance between a usually center left national party and a bajillion of local and provincial parties. Generally left leaning on social issues and interventionist/populist on the economy.

There's also the UNA, an alliance led by Sergio Massa and Jose Manuel de la Sota, two very important non-kirchnerist politicians in two very important provinces (Buenos Aires Province and Córdoba). Massa is running on an interventionist platform on economic issues with a slight law-and-order bent



There are a lot of provincial parties that are usually more or less allied with the big three, and a few other small nation wide parties


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 07, 2017, 01:37:17 PM
Could someone give a brief explanation of the Argentine party system?

Possibly knowing the current composition of the two chambers -and the size of their parliamentary blocks- can be helpful.

Chamber of Deputies (257 seats)

Cambiemos 87 seats
Parties: PRO (42), UCR (36), Civic Coalition (6), Others (4). Centre-right / Non-Peronist

Front for Victory 72 seats
Centre-left / Peronist

Federal UNA block 37 seats

Parties: Renewal Front (23), De la Sota crew (6), Others and provincial parties, including Neuquén People's Movement ( 8 ). Centre-right / Peronist

Justicialist block 17 seats

FPV split. Peronist.

Progressives 8 seats

Parties; Socialist (4), Free of the South Movement (3), GEN (1). Centre-left / Non Peronist

Civic Front for Santiago 6 seats

Provincial party of Santiago del Estero usually allied with the Kirchners (FPV)

Peronism for Victory 6 seats

It looks like another FPV split

United for Argentina 5 seats

Another peronist faction led by Darío Giustozzi, Mayor of Almirante Brown in Meropolitan Buenos Aires until 2013. That year Giustozzi was elected deputy in the Sergio Massa list (Frente Renovador), He switched later to the FPV and stood as pre-candidate for Mayor of Almirante Brown again, losing the primary election.

Compromiso Federal 3 seats

The Rodríguez Saá clan from San Luis province. Centre-right / Peronist

Workers' Left Front 3 seats

Trotskyst. Hard Left

Frente de la Concordia Misionero 3 seats

Provincial party of Misiones usually allied with the Kirchners

Others 10 seats


Mix of provincial, left-wing microparties and one-man bands

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%A1mara_de_Diputados_de_la_Naci%C3%B3n_Argentina


Senate (72 seats)

Justicialist-Front for Victory 36 seats

Cambiemos 17 seats

UNA 3 seats

Others and provincial 16 seats

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senado_de_la_Naci%C3%B3n_Argentina

I made a map of the first round of the 2015 presidential election. Since its size is too big to be uploaded to my gallery and Imgur doesn't work here, you can take a look through this link below:

https://saintbrendansisland.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/argentina-2015-primera-vuelta/


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: 🦀🎂🦀🎂 on June 07, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Isn't Front for Victory technically a faction within the Justicialists?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 07, 2017, 04:12:16 PM
Isn't Front for Victory technically a faction within the Justicialists?

Yes, it is. The block in the Senate is actually called PJ-FPV. I edited the post and changed that, as well added something about the Darío Giustozzi block in the Chamber of Deputies.

Deciphering where the different Peronist factions stand can be a terrible mess. Also, the word "Justicialist" can be used by "officialist" and "dissident" factions. For instance, the "Justicialist block" in the Chamber of Deputies is made up by several members who left the FPV block in February 2016. In the Senate the term is used by the "official" Justicialist-Front for Victory block, but there are two provincial Justicialist blocks: PJ-La Pampa and PJ-San Luis (2 seats each).


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 07, 2017, 04:13:29 PM
Isn't Front for Victory technically a faction within the Justicialists?

Technically, the Partido Justicialista is a member of the FPV coalition.
Despite this a lot of provincial and local "dissident peronistas" still identify as members of the PJ despite the national party's leanings, and some still control the official provincial party (this is mainly the case of San Luis, Cordoba,


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 10:29:26 AM
The period for presenting the alliances ended between yesterday and tomorrow morning, depending on the province

Buenos Aires Province : (votes for 3 senators and 35 Deputies)

All the candidates I'll mention in the section for BA Province are running for Senator, unless otherwise specified
The FPV's cristinista wing decided not to participate in the primaries and there will be two independent coalitions, and they'll run outside of the official PJ structure. The faction lead by Cristina still hopes for a unity list (there's time until June 25 for nominating the  pre-cantidates), but the two egos are too large

•Unidad Ciudadana , the establishment kirchnerista list, led (presumably) in the Senate race by Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (who hasn't yet formally announced her intention to run) and Jorge Tatiana, foreign affairs minister (2005-2010).Formed by Nuevo Encuentro (a Progressive kirchnerista party), Kolina (a small kirchnerista party / group with links to Alicia Kirchner -Cristina's sister in law), Partido de la Victoria (barely a party), Frente Grande (an important anti-Menem alliance in the mid-to-late 90s, now it's largely irrelevant) and Compromiso Federal (nationally led by dissident [non kirchnerista] Peronist and governor of San Luis  Alberto Rodríguez Saá)

•Frente Justicialista, the other Kirchnerista Coalition. Formed by the Partido Justicialista (i.e. the Peronist Party) -but without any real support from most PJ/FPV mayors-, and a bunch of small irrelevant and unknown parties.
            -One list for the primaries will be led by Florencio Randazzo, another by some random dude who works for Ishii (Ishi is a mayor of a Grand Buenos Aires county, who likes running in primaries where he has no chance of winning), and there may be a third one with kind to infamous former secretary of commerce Guillermo Moreno (Moreno allied with Ishii at the very last minute)

•Cambiemos, formed by Pro (Macri's party), UCR,  CC-ARI (Carrió), FE (a small dissident Peronist party led by a recently deceased labor union leader) Unión por Todos (the party of Security Minister Patricia Bullrich), and several small parties . Still without having decided on their senatorial candidates, their first senator will be national Education Minister Esteban Bullrich

•1País. The Massa-Stolbizer (who will both run in one list for the Senate race) alliance, formed by Massa's Frente Renovador, two progressive parties (whoare not a formal part of the coalition), Stolbizer's GEN, Libres del Sur, Hugo Moyano's (the largest labor union leader in the whole country) Partido de la Cultura, la Educación (also not an official member), Trabajo and Movimiento de Integración y Desarrollo (an old, and now irrelevant, spin-off of the UCR), and Tercera Posición (not a Neo Nazi party, it's referring to Person's possition)

The following parties have no chance at all of getting a seat in the Senate and are mainly striving for  deputies

• Frente de Izquierda y los Trabajadores (FIT), a left wing alliance betweenPartido Obrero, PTS and Izquierda al Socialismo. Néstor Pitrola (PO) for senator and Nicolás Del Caño (PTS) for deputy
•Izquierda al Frente por el socialismo, the other historical left wing alliance ,MST-Nuevo MAS. Vilma Ripoll for senator and Manuela Castañeira for Deputy
•Encuentro Popular por Tierra, Techo y Trabajo, Partido Comunista (FPV with a slightly different retoric) and MILES, led by controversial (to say the least) Kirchnerista piquetero Leader Luis D'Elia, he's supporting Cristina in the Senate race
•Frente Social y Popular, formed by Partido Socialista and Victor De Gennaro's Frente Popular (a center left party), running for the fist time in a long time with their usual allies (GEN and Libres), and the left wing piquetero group Corriente Clasista y Combativa
•Creo, Proyecto Sur (a Center left to left wing party based in BA City, led by film director, former candidate for mayor of BA, which he now represents as a Senator, Pino Solanas) and allies of labor union leader Pablo Micheli
•Frente Unión Federal, a coalition of two small Peronist parties
•Patria Grande - Vamos, a coalition of small left wing parties, Marea Popular and Patria Grande,  Allied with the kirchneristas, only running from Deputies
•Frente Unión por la Justicia Social, formed by non-kirchnerista Peronist parties Celeste y Blanco (the party that ran De Narvaez's campaign in 2011) and Propuesta Federal para el Cambio (an old name of Pro's wing in the Province)
•Frente Patriota Bandera Vecinal, far right, with six lists for senators and party leader Biondini in the party's only list for Deputies
•Partido Federal, with 4 lists for the primaries
•Movimiento Organización Democrática - MODE
•Todos Por Buenos Aires, I think it's a right wing Peronista party with some Christian populist ideas
•Movimiento Amplio de Trabajadores y Jubilados
•Partido del Campo Popular, Biondini's old party
•Partido Humanista






Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 11:19:31 AM
Autonomous City of Buenos Aires
(13 Deputies)
•Vamos Juntos, It's Cambiemos under a new name, formed by Pro, Coalición Civica (Carrió), Confianza Pública (Graciela Ocaña), Unión por la Libertad, PDP, FE, Partido Demócrata, and the UCeDé (a neoliberal party from the 1980s and 90s). Led by Elisa "Lilita" Carrió, in an attempt to get votes that would otherwise go to Lousteau
•Evolución Ciudadana, led by Martin Lousteau, formed by the UCR (which is running with Cambiemos in most provinces) and the (social democratic) Partido Socialista
•Unidad Porteña, the Kirchnerista Coalition in the city, it may run severalwill run three internal lists in the primaries:
              -kirchneristas
             -non-kirchnerista Peronistas (who have no real presence in the                     city
              -an alliance between Gustavo Vera, the leader of an anti-prostitution NGO and someone with close links to Pope Francis, and controversial kircherista secretary of commerce Guillermo Moreno, Moreno will try as the alliance's first Deputy
             -Itai Hangman's Patria Grande, a left wing party with links to the kirchneristas

•Un Pais, formed by Frente Renovador, GEN and Libres del Sur, will run a list led by economist Matías Tombolini and  Mirta Tundis (Frente Renovador deputy for BA Province)

• Frente de Izquierda de la Ciudad de Buenos Aires (FIT), PO, MST and IS will run an unity list with Marcelo Ramal (PO) as its first deputy candidate
• Autodeterminacion y Libertad, a left wing party, based in the city, led by former deputy Luis Zamora
•Izquierda al frente por el socialismo, MST-MAS,  it will run Alejandro Bidart  as its first candidate
•Convocatoria Abierta por Buenos Aires, a small center left to left wing alliance led by Claudio Lozano (an ally of De Gennaro), IE Unidad Popular and MP La Dignidad
•Proyecto Sur / Sur en Marcha, Proyecto Sur
•Partido Humanista
Partido Federal, with two lists
Bandera Vecinal
Partido Socialista Auténtico
Partido Renovador Federal, it's Deputies list is led by d by former football player José Sanfilippo (running with a "hard on crime" message)
Partido El Movimiento, five lists (despite only having a non update Blogspot site)
Partido Acción Ciudadana



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 12:15:56 PM
Córdoba (98%)
Deputies
Frente Cambiemos 48.4
Union por Cordoba 30.6
Frente Córdoba Ciudadana  9.8
Encuentro Vecinal[/coral] 3.6
Frente de Izquierda y los Trabajadores 3.3
Primero la Gente 2.5
Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo 2


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 12:52:59 PM
Santa Fe
(9 deputies)
 Cambiemos, UCR, PRO(both the UCR amd Pro are large parties in SF) and CC-ARI, after threats from the UCR of running their own list in the primaries, they'll present an unity list lead by Albor Cantard (UCR), Luciano Laspina (PRO) and Lucila Lehmann (CC)

Alianza Frente Justicialista Santafesino, Partido Justicialista, Partido Comunista, Encuentro por la Democracia y la Equidad, Partido Solidario, Partido Progreso Social, Frente Grande y el Partido Intransigente. It will have a primary between
         -kirchneristas with Agustín Rossi
         -non kirchnerista peronist lists, led by judge Alejandra Rodenas
 
Frente Progresista, Partido Socialista and it's  allies, GEN, PDP, SI, Movimiento Libres del Sur,  lead by Luis Contigiani, the provincial minister of production

1 Proyecto Santafesino, Massa's list in Santa Fe. Esa alianza está compuesta por el Movimiento Integración y Desarrollo (MID), Santafesino Cien por Ciento, Partido Tercera Posición, Partido CET and Partido Demócrata Cristiano.



Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores (FIT), Partido del Obrero, PTS, Izquierda por una Opción Socialista.


Partido Popular, Partido Conservador Popular, la Unión por la Libertad y Compromiso Federal. Small right wings parties, apparently unrelated to 2015's UNA, but still somewhat allied with Massa,

Frente Social y Popular  Partido Socialista Auténtico, la Nueva Izquierda, el Partido del Trabajo y del Pueblo, IE Unidad Popular and Partido Patria Grande
Ciudad Futura, who tried to get a women-only list, which was widely opposed for violated the gender quota law
Vamos Juntos: Partido Política Abierta para la Integridad Social (an anti-Menem party from the mid 90s), Partido Popular Pastoral Ecuménico.
Partidos del Campo Popular, far right
Partido Autonomista
Unite por la Libertad y la Dignidad
Unión Celeste y Blanco, De Narváez's old party
Partido Popular
Partido Federal
Alianza Espacio Grande
Movimiento Independiente Renovador
Partido Nacionalista Constitucional UNIR, far right?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 01:37:17 PM
Mendoza
(5 Deputies)
Cambiemos: UCR, PRO, Partido Demócrata, CC- ARI and FE
Somos Mendoza, PJ and the parties within FPV

Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores (FIT): PTS and PO

Primero Mendoza: Partido Socialista, Frente Renovador and Libres del Sur.
Partido Intransigente, an old left-wing, pro-peronist schism of the UCR
Partido del Trabajo y del Pueblo in an alliance with IE Unidad Popular
Partido Verde de Mendoza, center-left peronistas
Podemos con la Izquierda MST
Encuentro por Mendoza: Partido Federal y Encuentro Federal. They are irrelevant AFAiK


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 05:36:55 PM
Entre Ríos
(5 Deputies)

Somos Entre Ríos, Peronistas, an alliance between two different wings of this movement, those of governor Bordet (who is in a middle ground between his own post-Kirchnerism and Massa)  and former governors Busti (closer to Massa) and Urribarri (FPV). Formed by the PJ (Led by Bordet), Frente Entrerriano Federal (Busti), Frente Grande, Movimiento por Todos; el Partido CET (Moyano) and Compromiso Federal.

Frente Cambiemos, formed by Pro, UCR, GEN, FE, Unión por la Libertad and Movimiento Social Entrerriano (a party that supported Massa in 2015)

 Encuentro 50cial, Partido Socialista, which will run an informal alliance with several center left and left wing parties and pro-Massa Nuevo Espacio
Nueva Izquierda, MST


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 06:14:43 PM
Tucumán
(4 Deputies)
Frente Justicialista por Tucumán, formed by Partido Justicialista, Frente Grande, Kolina, Acuerdo Federal,  Partido de la Victoria, Solidario, Partido del Trabajo y la Equidad, Massa's Frente Renovador and Pueblo Unido (a party led by an UCR member and former deputy for De Gennaro's Unidad Popular)
Cambiemos para el Bicentenario , UCR, el PRO, la Democracia Cristiana, Libres del Sur and  Partido por la Justicia Social (the party of the mayor of Tucuman's capital) Led by 2011 and 2015 candidate for governor José Cano (UCR).


Fuerza Republicana, a local right wing Party
Frente Amplio Tucumano, a center-left to left wing alliance between Unión y Progreso Social (led by Mario Koltan, an -former?- ally of Massa), Partido del Trabajo y del Pueblo (PCR),  Partido Socialista and Corriente Clasista y Combativa. Their list will be led by Mario Koltan
Frente Izquierda de los Trabajadores PO and PTS
MST
Movimiento de Participación Ciudadana


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 15, 2017, 06:59:08 PM
It's remarkable that the "Frente Para la Victoria" (FPV) label has been ruled out. Now the Justicialist and/or Kirchnerist alliances have different names in every district: "Unidad Ciudadana", "Unidad Porteña", "Justicialist Front", etcetera. Is that a symptom of disintegration?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 07:11:16 PM
Chaco
(4 Deputies)

Frente Chaco Merece Más, the governing kirchnerista coalition. PJ, and allies
Cambiemos

Unidad Ciudadana
Un Nuevo Pais, Frente Renovador, Partido Socialista, GEN, Libres del Sur and Partido para el Desarrollo y la Igualdad
Partido Obrero
Partido Demócrata
Ciudadanos a Gobernar
Proyecto Sur
Partido Nacionalista Constitucional UNIR, I don't know much about them, but Metapedia likes them


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 08:04:16 PM
Salta
(3 Deputies)

Frente Unidad y Renovación, representing Conservative Peronist governor Urtubey (formerly aligned with the FPV and now somewhat close to Macri). Formed by the PJ, Partido Renovador de Salta (Conservatives), Frente Salteño and several small parties


Cambiemos por Salta, an alliance between Pro and former governor Juan Carlos Romero, a right wing Peronist. Salta nos une (Romero), Pro, Propuesta Salteño, Partido Conservador Popular, Partido CET, Identidad Salteña, Primero Salta and FE

Frente Ciudadano para la Victoria, Partido de la Victoria, Frente Grande, Movimiento Popular Unido (MPU)

Alianza “Frente Popular para la Liberación” , one of the few alliances between kirchnerista and non-kirchnerista center leftists,  formed,  by De Gennaro's Unidad Popular Patria Grande, el Movimiento Nacional y Popular, el Partido del Trabajo (PCR) y el Pueblo kirchnerista party Kolina. Their first candidate will be Edmundo Falú
Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores (FIT)  PO-PTS

Unión Cívica Radical , running outside of Cambiemos
Salta Somos Todos of Alfredo Olmedo, who is too right-wing even for the very conservatives Salta, he's almost a parody of law-and-order politicians
Movimiento Socialista de los Trabajadores
Compromiso Federal


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 09:39:31 PM
Misiones
(3 senators, 3 Deputies)
Frente Renovador de la Concordia, kirchneristas, the party of the current governor
Avancemos 1Provincia, Frente UNA (Massa's Frente Renovador)
Cambiemos, Pro, UCR and FE

Unidad Ciudadana, kirchneristas
Partido Obrero running without PTS as a coalition partner
Unión Popular, a right wing Peronist party
Frente Popular, De Gennaro's party
Nuevo Octubre, some mayor's party
Partido Agrario y Social, a small kirchnerista party
Compromiso Federal


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 10:14:07 PM
Corrientes
(3 Deputies)

Encuentro por Corrientes (ECO) + Cambiemos, an alliance between the governor's party and Cambiemos
PRO, UCR , Unión Celeste y Blanco, CC-ARI, Proyecto Corrientes, Partido Socialista, ELI-Encuentro en Libertad, Acción por Corrientes, Unión Popular, Conservador Popular, Partido Demócrata Progresista, Partido Federal, Acción por la República, FE, Unión para el Desarrollo and Encuentro Correligionario.
Juntos Podemos Más, peronistas.PJ, partido de la Victoria, Demócrata Cristiano, Kolina, Proyecto Popu-lar, Crecer con Todos, Forja, UCeDe

Frente Renovador 1País
          -Frente Renovador+GEN
          -Libres del Sur

Somos Corrientes, Partido Liberal and Partido Autonomista, Will be competing with each other in the primaries
Frente Ciudadano para la Victoria, Kolina and Encuentro por la Democracia y la Equidad
Nueva Izquierda, MST
IE Unidad Popular
Compromiso Federal


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 15, 2017, 10:38:42 PM
Santiago del Estero
(3 Deputies)
Frente Cívico por Santiago. Led by senator and former governor Gerardo Zamora (his wife is the current governor). Partido Justicialista, Partido Federal, Kolina, Movimiento Justicia y Libertad; Partido Justicialista, Una Nueva Alternativa, Acción Vecinal, Partido de la Victoria and Partido Social del Centro.
CambiemosUCR, PRO and Coalición Cívica.
Frente Renovador 1Pais, Frente Renovador and Libres del Sur
Cruzada Santiagueña, Cruzada Santiagueña, a local peronista party Union por la Libertad and Partido Popular.
Frente de Izquierda, Izquierda Socialista


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 16, 2017, 10:42:46 AM
San Juan
(3 Senators and 3 Deputies)

Frente Todos. Partido Justicialista, Partido Bloquista Partidos Conservador Popular, Unidad y Progreso, Compromiso Social, Kolina, Frente Grande Movimiento Nacional Alfonsinista, (a recent kircherista spin-off of the UCR) Nuevo Encuentro and Partido CET
Cambiemos San Juan UCR, PRO, Actuar, Cruzada Renovadora, , Producción y Trabajo, Dignidad Ciudadana, Partido Fe, and independent Bloquistas  
 Alianza 1 Pais-Somos San Juan  Convicción Federal, Movimiento de integración y Desarrollo (MID) and GEN

Frente de Izquierda
Alianza por una Democracia Nueva, a recent schism from the provincial Pro
Movicom , kircheristas
Frente Progresista Popular, Partido Socialista and Partido del Trabajo y del Pueblo (PCR)
Nueva Dirigencia


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 16, 2017, 01:47:21 PM
Jujuy
(3 senators and 3 Deputies)

Frente Jujeño Cambiemos UCR, PRO Cambio jujeño, Lider, Partido Socialista and Cruzada Renovadora.

Frente Justicialista, (the intervened) PJ, Proyecto Sur, Kolina, Partido Solidario, Arriba Jujuy and Nuevo Encuentro. They're running 6 lists for the primaries

Frente Renovador 1 País. The part of the  PJ alligned with deputy governor Haquim, Partido Blanco de los  de los Trabajadores, Gana Jujuy, Renovador Federal, Movimiento Popular Jujeño, Movimiento Norte Grande, Demócrata Cristiano, Concertación Forja, I.E. Unidad Popular, Encuentro Jujeño and Primero Jujuy. 3 lists

Frente de Izquierda de los Trabajadores (FIT)PTS and  PO

Vamos por una Izquierda al Frente, MST

Frente MILES por la Unidad Ciudadana  MILES

Compromiso Federal , I don't know if it's the same party as the Rodriguez Saa brothers' CF

Partido Nacionalista Constitucional UNIR, I don't know much about them, but Metapedia likes them


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 18, 2017, 07:00:13 PM
Alex, which Argentine political party do you identify with?

Which do I probably fit best with?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 19, 2017, 07:13:29 AM
Partido Socialista

Likely Pro or UCR


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 19, 2017, 09:16:13 AM
It's remarkable that the "Frente Para la Victoria" (FPV) label has been ruled out. Now the Justicialist and/or Kirchnerist alliances have different names in every district: "Unidad Ciudadana", "Unidad Porteña", "Justicialist Front", etcetera. Is that a symptom of disintegration?
Hi, i'm new in the forum. I think that makes more visible the differences that existed in the kichnerista coalition, especially since the reelection of Cristina where the "left-wing populist" faction gained spaces and protagonism in government. Since they lost in 2015, the more traditional justicialist party, represented mainly by governors, wants to regain power in the party. What i'm trying to say is that power now has moved from what Cristina or the progressive-populist faction wanted to local leaders in the respective provinces. Normally, deputies & senators responds to governors and their demands. However even if the FPV label fades away, the majority of kirchnerists are still in coalition with PJ in the majority of the provinces, they just won't get the top places on the lists that easily anymore. The PJ is divided now with no clear leader, but Cristina retains a strong political capital, she will probably stand in this election and win. In that scenario, she could negotiate a new coalition with PJ for the 2019 elections, although it's going to be quite complicated.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 19, 2017, 10:09:47 AM

Hi! Welcome and thanks for the reply. It makes sense. Are you from Argentina?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 19, 2017, 10:21:50 AM

Hi! Welcome and thanks for the reply. It makes sense. Are you from Argentina?
Yes


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 04:22:37 PM
Parties have until midnight to anounce all their candidates for the national elections


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 05:18:52 PM
Neuquén
(3 deputies)
Cambiemos PRO, la UCR and Nuevo Compromiso Neuquino
                       -Pro and NCN
                       -Cambiemos por Vos: UCR and CC-ARI, Beatriz Kreitman and Alejandro Vidal as candidates for deputies
Movimiento Popular Neuquino, a right-wing peronist party which has governed the province since 1963. Alma Sapag (a member of one of the two political dynasties within MPN) and Adrián Lamel, a hospital director
Frente Neuquino Unión de los Neuquinos, Frente y la Participación Neuquina, Partido Socialista, PTP and Nuevo Encuentro. Ramón Rioseco (FPN), FpV candidate for governor in 2015


Frente Unidad Ciudadana PJ, Frente Grande, Partido Solidario and Kolina
Un Frente Renovador Neuquén  Unión y Unidad Popular.
Frente de Izquierda de los Trabajadores PO,  PTS and Izquierda Socialista
Nueva Izquierda MST-MAS
Libres, Libres del Sur, a center-left party with populist leanings, based in Buenos Aires


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
San Luis
(3 senators and 3 Deputies)
Frente Unidad Justicialista San Luis, uniting the two wings of the province's Peronistas, those of the Rodriguez Saa brothers (who's faction has governed the province since 1983) and the kirchneristas. PJ, Compromiso Federal (Rodríguez Saa), FpV and several minor parties
Avanzar y Cambiemos por San Luis UCR, Pro, Avanzar San Luis (Claudio Poggi, governor 2011-15, deputy, formed his own party in 2016), Libres del Sur and Partido Demócrata Independiente. Claudio Poggi and deputy José Riccardo will lead their Senate and Deputies list, there's also a second list made up by UCR members dissatisfied with Riccardo
Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo MST-MAS
GEN


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 07:13:45 PM
Catamarca
(3 deputies)
Frente Justicialista para la Victoria, PJ and small kirchnerista parties
Frente Cívico y Social-Cambiemos UCR, PRO, FE, Coalición Cívica-ARI, Partido Socialista, Movilización and Nuevo Espacio de Opinión.
        -Frente Cívico y Social
        -Juntos por el Cambio. UCR, Pro, CC-ARI, Partido Socialista

Juntos Somos Catamarca led by labor union leader Luis Barrionuevo. Tercera Posición, Unión Populista, Unidad Popular. En , Unión Federal, Participación Plural and  Renovación Peronista

Partido Obrero
Frente Unidad Ciudadana, closer to Cristina, and led by deputy Veronica Mercado. Unión Celeste y Blanca and Dignidad Popular.
Movimiento Auténtico y Popular
Partido Renacer Político y Social
Partido Nacionalista Constitucional UNIR


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
La Pampa
(3 Deputies)
The only province where all the alliances might have primaries
Partido Justicialista  PJ, Pueblo Nuevo-UNA and Frente Renovador
                 -Peronistas de La Pampa, alligned with the current deputy and with the governor, and with the support of Pueblo Nuevo and FR
                -Agrupación 4 de Junio
                 -Frente Barrial
                -Ciudadanos en Acción
                -PSPN
 Cambiemos La Pampa, UCR, Pro and  Movimiento Federalista Pampeano (Mofepa), Movimiento de Integración y Desarrollo (MID) and FE. Internal elections with four lists, two by UCR and two of Pro


Frente Progresista Pampeano GEN and Partido Socialista, each party will have a sub-list of their own in the primaries
Partido de los Trabajadores Socialistas
Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo MST-MAS
Partido Humanista, which had been a reliable (if not very well known) ally of kirchnerista since the very start


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 07:50:15 PM
Santa Cruz
(3 senators and 3 Deputies)
Frente para la Victoria
Unión para Vivir Mejor (UPVM) -Cambiemos, UCR, Encuentro Ciudadano, PRO, Coalición Cívica-Ari and Partido Socialista
 
Frente Renovador Auténtico
Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores, PO and Nueva Izquierda
Frente Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo, MST-MAS
Proyecto Sur


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 08:10:49 PM
Rio Negro
(2 senators)
Frente para la Victoria, PJ, Kolina, Frente Grande, Nuevo Encuentro, Movimiento de Apertura Democrática, el Movimiento Nacional Alfonsinista (FORJA), Partido Comunista and partido Solidario.
Juntos Somos Río Negro, the governor's coalition,  Movimiento Popular Patagónico (MPP) and FE
Cambiemos, UCR and Pro.

Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo MST-MAS
Partido Socialista
Coalición Cívica-ARI


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 08:19:21 PM
Formosa
(3 senators and 2 Deputies)
Frente de la Victoria
Frente Amplio Formoseño Cambiemos UCR, Pro, Compromiso Federal

Partido Obrero
Partido Socialista
Partido Autonomista
Partido Principios y Convicción
Unión Popular


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 08:40:07 PM
Chubut
(2 Deputies)
Chubut Para Todos, the coalition behind dissident Peronist governor Mario Das Neves. Chubut somos Todos (Das Neves),Polo Social, Partido CET and Acción Chubutense
Frente para la Victoria Partido Justicialista and Partido Independiente Chubutense.
Cambiemos, UCR and Pro

Partido del Obrero
Partido Socialista Auténtico
Partido del Trabajo y del Pueblo + Frente Popular
MST en Frente Unidad Sur, MST, Proyecto Sur


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 08:48:49 PM
La Rioja
(3 senators and 2 Deputies)
Frente Justicialista Riojano, PJ,Frente del Pueblo, Compromiso Federal, Lealtad y Unidad and Movimiento de Acción Vecinal. 86 year-old Former President Carlos Menem will run as senator as a way to get a literal "get out of jail free" card (he's been recently convicted for arms trafficking)
Cambiemos,  Fuerza Cívica Riojana(UCR and ARI ) and PRO.

Una Rioja, Partido Nacionalista Constitucional and Tercera Posición.
Norte Grande
Frente de Izquierda y de los trabajadores: Partido Obrero
 Alternativa Popular Riojana, kirchnerista left. Partido Comunista and Kolina
Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo MAS And Nueva Izquierda


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 24, 2017, 08:56:26 PM
Tierra del Fuego
(2 Deputies)
Tierra de Unión. PJ, Hacer por el Progreso Social,Partido Intransigente and Encuentro Popular
Frente Ciudadano y Social. Partido Social Patagónico, Partido de la Victoria, el Partido Humanista, el Partido Encuentro por la Democracia y la Equidad (ex Nuevo Encuentro) y Concertación Forja.
Cambiemos TDF. UCR and Pro

UnirTDF.Movimiento Popular Fueguino, Frente Renovador and GEN
Partido Obrero

Proyecto Sur
Federal Fueguino
IE Unidad Popular
Partido Popular
Partido CET


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 25, 2017, 07:16:23 AM
A question I would be interested to ask of the Argentine and other Hispanic posters here is to what extent if any questions of identity influence people's voting behaviour. Looking at this map of the first round of the 2015 election

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it can be seen that Macri's strongest areas were Buenos Aires City, Buenos Aires Province outside the BA suburbs, the Región Centro (and Argentine Antarctica). Meanwhile the strongest areas for Scioli were the the BA suburbs, the South and most especially the North of the country. Now my understanding is that those areas where Macri were strongest are areas where the bulk of people's ancestry (like that of Macri himself) comes from European immigrants of the last century and a half whilst the strongest Scioli areas are where the population is much more descended from the population of the Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plate (which of course included Paraguay and Bolivia).

Its also notable that in other South American countries where there wasn't mass European immigration, specifically as Peru and Bolivia, divisions between left and right often run along language lines, those that speak an indigenous language as a first language tend to vote left, those whose first language is Spanish tend to vote right.

Now maybe I'm reading too much into this and these lines only come up because they coincide with class divisions. However I do note left and right have sometimes explicitly stressed the different sides of the identity of the former Spanish Indies. For example Che Guevara repeatedly spoke of Latin American countries having a common 'mestizo' identity and, for example, toasting 'our mestizo race' (something that many Argentines of the time would not have said). A few years later the "Declaración de Principios" of the Chilean military government under Pinochet said

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La  alternativa  de  una  sociedad  de  inspiración  marxista  debe  ser  rechazada  por  Chile,  dado  su  carácter  totalitario  y  anulador  de  la  persona  humana,  todo  lo  cual  contradice  nuestra  tradición  cristiana  e  hispánica.  Además,  la  experiencia  demuestra  que  el  marxismo  tampoco  engendra  bienestar,  porque  su  carácter  socialista  y  estatista  no  es  apto  para  un  adecuado  desarrollo  económico.
http://www.archivochile.com/Dictadura_militar/doc_jm_gob_pino8/DMdocjm0005.pdf

So I suppose my question is are these purely things that coincide with class or am I right in suspecting that questions of cultural identity may play an important role in voting behaviour in Argentina and elsewhere in Hispanic America or am I just reading too much into the above map?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 25, 2017, 09:25:26 AM
-Some of the strongest kirchnerista districts (Chaco, Formosa and Santiago del Estero outside of the city of Santiago del Estero) and the Patagonia (where the population is even more European than in the central region) weren't a part of the Virreinato, but under native control
-Nestor Kirchner was from the south, and had built a strong alliance in most of Patagonia
-Peronism has always been strong in Gran Buenos Aires (outside of zona norte)
-No, being descendants of European immigrants is not really that big of a factor


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 25, 2017, 11:14:27 AM
A question I would be interested to ask of the Argentine and other Hispanic posters here is to what extent if any questions of identity influence people's voting behaviour. Looking at this map of the first round of the 2015 election

()

it can be seen that Macri's strongest areas were Buenos Aires City, Buenos Aires Province outside the BA suburbs, the Región Centro (and Argentine Antarctica). Meanwhile the strongest areas for Scioli were the the BA suburbs, the South and most especially the North of the country. Now my understanding is that those areas where Macri were strongest are areas where the bulk of people's ancestry (like that of Macri himself) comes from European immigrants of the last century and a half whilst the strongest Scioli areas are where the population is much more descended from the population of the Viceroyalty of Rio de La Plate (which of course included Paraguay and Bolivia).

I made my own map of the first round collecting the data from that interactive map released byLa Nación. My map is not interactive, but it has the little advantage of colours looking nicer and clearer (full size through the link)

https://saintbrendansisland.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/argentina-2015.png

As for the patterns, with due caution, I would say that vote may reflect socioeconomic and geographic (rural/urban) cleavages. The poorer sections of the population, as well the peripheral and/or deprived areas supported the Kirchners in previous elections. However, race or ethnicity can hardly be considered a factor per se when you consider the structure of Argentinian demographics. According to official statistics 90% of the population is "white", 8.5% "mestizo" and 1.5% "amerindian". Also, as Alex said, Patagonia and large areas in the North weren't under the effective rule of the Viceroyalty of La Plata. Argentina fought a war in the XIX Century to conquer the Patagonia region, as the US did in the (North) American West. If I'm not wrong the remaining amerindian population in the southern provinces is very little, while in northern provinces like Jujuy next to Bolivia's border is much more relevant. Jujuy is the home province of Milagro Sala, the leader of the Tupac Amaru neighbourhood association, an amerindian woman and a kirchnerista. Oddly enough, Jujuy was the only province where Sergio Massa came first and the governor is from the UCR.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_of_Argentina

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milagro_Sala

Returning to map. Macri's strongest areas correspond to the cities of Buenos Aires and Córdoba, the Humid Pampa (rural sections of Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Córdoba and Entre Ríos) and part of the semiarid Cuyo region (Mendoza). It could be said that the PRO has largely replaced the UCR as the party of the urban middle classes. Also, the Humid Pampa is the richest agricultural region of the country.

Daniel Scioli's strongest areas correspond (broadly) to Greater Buenos Aires (Comurbano), the southern and the northern provinces. As said before, the population in Patagonian provinces is overwhelmingly of European ancestry. As for the Santa Cruz province:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Cruz_Province,_Argentina#Economy

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Santa Cruz, with a small population and rich in natural resources, has long had one of Argentina's most prosperous economies. Its 2006 output was estimated at US$3.3 billion or a per capita income of US$16,553.[5] In 2011 Santa Cruz had the highest per capita income of Argentina, US$36,550

Sergio Massa came in a strong third. As said before, he won in Jujuy and also came second in the neighbouring Salta (his running mate is the mayor of the provincial capital). I think that the patterns of the vote for his third party are the most difficult to understand. For instance, in Santa Fe province and the city of Rosario Massa performed much better than one could expect. Maybe transfers from the Socialists and the Broad Progressive Front?

I would appreciate more input from our Argentinian posters since the subject intrigues me though.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 25, 2017, 06:24:32 PM
First of all, sorry if my english is not understood haha.
As for the patterns, with due caution, I would say that vote may reflect socioeconomic and geographic (rural/urban) cleavages. The poorer sections of the population, as well the peripheral and/or deprived areas supported the Kirchners in previous elections. However, race or ethnicity can hardly be considered a factor per se when you consider the structure of Argentinian demographics. According to official statistics 90% of the population is "white", 8.5% "mestizo" and 1.5% "amerindian".
Basically this. Differences in voting patterns between provinces has to do basically with socioeconomic factors that has existed since the integration of argentine economy to the global economy. As other latin american countries, economies were driven by the export of commodity products, basically one at first called "monocultivo" (e.g. coffee in brazil, sugarcane in cuba, salitre in chile then copper). In the case of Argentina cereals and then meat. The only region suitable for agricultural production of this commodities was the center region (pampas), that explains why european immigration was mainly concentrated there. Very few inmigrants went to other areas (in contrast with North America), specially to the northern provinces. This also happened in Brazil, as you see, european immigration was basically in the south, specially Sao Paulo state, the center of coffee production. The majority of the northern provinces have remained poor since then, in contrast with the more richer provinces in the center region.

Talking about race is problematic, since the national statistics agency (INDEC) has never asked about ethnicity. When you see some research that says that argentinians are 90% european, they are talking about genetics. The majority of the population is either descendant of europeans or has "mixed ethnicity" between european-aboriginal population. That's why there are so many people with "european genes" but doesn't mean that 90% of the population is white. Ethnicity doesn't have the relevance that is has in the US for example, talking sociologically and politically. There is no "white" identitity as someone would say it "exists" in the US. I don't think it's a relevant factor, although it's true that people with darker skin are poorer, and you have more possibilities being white due to racism.

Returning to map. Macri's strongest areas correspond to the cities of Buenos Aires and Córdoba, the Humid Pampa (rural sections of Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Córdoba and Entre Ríos) and part of the semiarid Cuyo region (Mendoza). It could be said that the PRO has largely replaced the UCR as the party of the urban middle classes. Also, the Humid Pampa is the richest agricultural region of the country.
As i said before, this was and is the richest region of the country, and where the majority of european immigrants settled. Because of being the richest, it also contains the biggest share of middle class voters. Culturally and politically middle class voters tend to be anti-peronist. Historically this regions were very competitive for the UCR. In northern provinces PJ is quite hegemonic, non-peronist parties are more competitive in urban areas, rather than in rural areas. This is paradigmatic maybe for european observers because normally conservative parties dominate in rural areas, and left-wing parties dominate in urban areas. As you see in the map, Macri won in the historical UCR districts (Pampas region, Mendoza + big urban centers in northern provinces).
However, it's difficult to delineate historical elections with current elections in some points due to the destruction of the political party system since 2001. UCR lost it's legitimacy as a party of power, PJ it's divided and politics have become extremely based on the popularity of political figures, rather than ideologies. This explains the Massa phenomenon.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 25, 2017, 07:04:38 PM

Talking about race is problematic, since the national statistics agency (INDEC) has never asked about ethnicity. When you see some research that says that argentinians are 90% european, they are talking about genetics. The majority of the population is either descendant of europeans or has "mixed ethnicity" between european-aboriginal population. That's why there are so many people with "european genes" but doesn't mean that 90% of the population is white. Ethnicity doesn't have the relevance that is has in the US for example, talking sociologically and politically. There is no "white" identitity as someone would say it "exists" in the US. I don't think it's a relevant factor, although it's true that people with darker skin are poorer, and you have more possibilities being white due to racism.

If its not a factor in Argentina I can understand that and I know that the 'racial classification' involve a lot more blurred lines than that of the United States and that these do not automatically equate to cultural identities. In Peru and Bolivia the Spanish speaking "Mestizos" who vote largely for the right are not much less "indian" genetically than the Indigenous language speaking communities who vote largely for the left but the cultural differences clearly impact voting behaviour.

You mention that in Argentina as elsewhere in Latin America "darker" people are likely to be poorer and "whiter" people more likely to be middle class and it makes me suspect that when in countries like Chile the left speak more of indigenous rights and the right speak more of "nuestra tradición  cristiana e hispánica" that they are making points with appeals to each of the two sides of Hispanic American cultural identity. If that's not an issue in Argentina then that's fine, I was just curious.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 25, 2017, 07:48:55 PM

Talking about race is problematic, since the national statistics agency (INDEC) has never asked about ethnicity. When you see some research that says that argentinians are 90% european, they are talking about genetics. The majority of the population is either descendant of europeans or has "mixed ethnicity" between european-aboriginal population. That's why there are so many people with "european genes" but doesn't mean that 90% of the population is white. Ethnicity doesn't have the relevance that is has in the US for example, talking sociologically and politically. There is no "white" identitity as someone would say it "exists" in the US. I don't think it's a relevant factor, although it's true that people with darker skin are poorer, and you have more possibilities being white due to racism.

If its not a factor in Argentina I can understand that and I know that the 'racial classification' involve a lot more blurred lines than that of the United States and that these do not automatically equate to cultural identities. In Peru and Bolivia the Spanish speaking "Mestizos" who vote largely for the right are not much less "indian" genetically than the Indigenous language speaking communities who vote largely for the left but the cultural differences clearly impact voting behaviour.

You mention that in Argentina as elsewhere in Latin America "darker" people are likely to be poorer and "whiter" people more likely to be middle class and it makes me suspect that when in countries like Chile the left speak more of indigenous rights and the right speak more of "nuestra tradición  cristiana e hispánica" that they are making points with appeals to each of the two sides of Hispanic American cultural identity. If that's not an issue in Argentina then that's fine, I was just curious.
Yes, i agree with you. The white argentina myth and the idea that the country was built by european immigrants it's a vision that was constructed by the liberal-conservative regime from the 19th century and it stills persists. That doesn't mean that european immigration it's not  important in our culture, but other components of our culture related to our amerindian roots are somehow invisible due to this idea of a "european country in the south america" which is obviously false. Also Indigenous politics it's not as relevant as in Chile, Peru or Bolivia for example, it's rare to hear politicians talking about this topic. There is no big indigenous political /social movement neither.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 26, 2017, 04:35:10 AM
Yes, i agree with you. The white argentina myth and the idea that the country was built by european immigrants it's a vision that was constructed by the liberal-conservative regime from the 19th century and it stills persists. That doesn't mean that european immigration it's not  important in our culture, but other components of our culture related to our amerindian roots are somehow invisible due to this idea of a "european country in the south america" which is obviously false

That's what one of my best friends, who is from Argentina, says. Indeed, that 90% of "white" people is not necessarily "100% white". Anyway the countries of the Cono Sur (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay) are "whiter" than the rest of Latin America and have a larger proportion of people with European ancestry or genes. In the case of Argentina, I believe that the XIX Century wars diminished the indigenous population. Middle class individuals living in cities tend to be "whiter" than poor people living in rural areas or fled to Buenos Aires Conurbano. I believe that a good proportion of the descamisados ("shirtless", Peron supporters) was people with a skin colour darker than the Argentinian elites. Also, I think that the famous gauchos of the Pampas region must have a larger proportion of amerindian blood (thus they are darker too). The point is that identity politics based on ethnicity doesn't play a role as socioeconomic factors, geography or tradition. Except the aforementioned Milagro Sala of the Jujuy province, I can't recall politicians or "aboriginal" political movements  of importance.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 26, 2017, 09:56:35 AM
To illustrate my point about the Brazilian 2014 election note the similarities in patterns of this map

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With this dot map based on the 2010 census

http://patadata.org/maparacial/en.html

Not a 100% match but similar enough to not be seen as coincidental.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 26, 2017, 10:27:43 AM
Regarding dissident peronists.
San Luis PJ dissidents (Saa brothers, ACF, PJ San Louis) works with FPV this year?
La Rioja PJ dissidents ( Menem FyL) is also with FPV?
But San Juan PJ-dissidents (ACF, PyT) is with Cambien

Is Alianza Conoromiso Federal (ACF) dead now?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 26, 2017, 12:04:50 PM
Regarding dissident peronists.
San Luis PJ dissidents (Saa brothers, ACF, PJ San Louis) works with FPV this year?
Is Alianza Conoromiso Federal (ACF) dead now?
Yes, the kirchnerist PJ wing in San Luis is now under the Saa Brothers ticket. But this is not a ideological coincidence between them, it's just to not lose power in San Luis. The ex-governor (Poggi) is now going under the Cambiemos ticket and it's very competitive. Also, the provincial government is having a bad relationship with the national government. I read that in exchange of this support, they will finance part of Cristina's campaign in BA province. But maybe is just a rumour.
La Rioja PJ dissidents ( Menem FyL) is also with FPV?But San Juan PJ-dissidents (ACF, PyT) is with Cambien
The PJ dissidents are basically local leaders, of local factions, they are not really organized on federal level, for some of them is more beneficial going with Cambiemos others under FPV. It's not really about ideologies sadly, it's more about not losing their seat or there political power.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 26, 2017, 12:08:50 PM
But Menem is going with PJ i.e. FV in order to gwtoa out of jail card? Cambienos won in La Rioja 2015?

And the ACF off San Juan and San Luis is dead?



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 26, 2017, 12:20:37 PM
Regarding dissident peronists.
San Luis PJ dissidents (Saa brothers, ACF, PJ San Louis) works with FPV this year?
Is Alianza Conoromiso Federal (ACF) dead now?
Yes, the kirchnerist PJ wing in San Luis is now under the Saa Brothers ticket. But this is not a ideological coincidence between them, it's just to not lose power in San Luis. The ex-governor (Poggi) is now going under the Cambiemos ticket and it's very competitive. Also, the provincial government is having a bad relationship with the national government. I read that in exchange of this support, they will finance part of Cristina's campaign in BA province. But maybe is just a rumour.
La Rioja PJ dissidents ( Menem FyL) is also with FPV?But San Juan PJ-dissidents (ACF, PyT) is with Cambien
The PJ dissidents are basically local leaders, of local factions, they are not really organized on federal level, for some of them is more beneficial going with Cambiemos others under FPV. It's not really about ideologies sadly, it's more about not losing their seat or there political power.
I've noticed that Party structures in Argentina (as in several other Latin American countries) is very decentralized and federalist. Is there any parties that try to organise along a more centralised nationwide model of political party?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 26, 2017, 12:26:02 PM
But Menem is going with PJ i.e. FV in order to gwtoa out of jail card? Cambienos won in La Rioja 2015?
Sadly Yes. And to the 2 question yes, Cambiemos won in 2015, but the PJ is competitive in La Rioja, we'll see the results.

And the ACF off San Juan and San Luis is dead?
In San Juan i think they were quite irrelevant, his main political figure Basualdo, is now on Cambiemos, he was with Massa before. In San Luis is not dead, they are in government, the thing is that the ACF is not really a party is a coalition of parties, were the PJ is part of.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 26, 2017, 12:33:05 PM
But Menem is going with PJ i.e. FV in order to gwtoa out of jail card? Cambienos won in La Rioja 2015?

And the ACF off San Juan and San Luis is dead?

2015 election.

The first round results in La Rioja were: Scioli 36.2%, Macri 31.7%, Massa 26%, Rodríguez Saá 3.3%, Del Caño 1.7%, Stolbizer 1.1%

In the second round Macri got 56.5% and Scioli 43.5%

It's obvious that most of the people voting for Massa in the 1st round switched to Macri in the 2nd. Massa didn't endorse anyone, but said that the country needed a change.

Adolfo Rodríguez Saá got a very poor result in the 2015 election. Nowadays Compromiso Federal is a non-entity outside San Luis.

Currently the main 'dissident' peronist faction is the one led by Sergio Massa (and De la Sota in Córdoba). The UNA Rioja list and 1País -Somos San Juán are aligned with Massa, if I'm not wrong. I guess the Massa faction is part of the Justicialist Unity Front of the San Luis province.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on June 26, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
Regarding dissident peronists.
San Luis PJ dissidents (Saa brothers, ACF, PJ San Louis) works with FPV this year?
Is Alianza Conoromiso Federal (ACF) dead now?
Yes, the kirchnerist PJ wing in San Luis is now under the Saa Brothers ticket. But this is not a ideological coincidence between them, it's just to not lose power in San Luis. The ex-governor (Poggi) is now going under the Cambiemos ticket and it's very competitive. Also, the provincial government is having a bad relationship with the national government. I read that in exchange of this support, they will finance part of Cristina's campaign in BA province. But maybe is just a rumour.
La Rioja PJ dissidents ( Menem FyL) is also with FPV?But San Juan PJ-dissidents (ACF, PyT) is with Cambien
The PJ dissidents are basically local leaders, of local factions, they are not really organized on federal level, for some of them is more beneficial going with Cambiemos others under FPV. It's not really about ideologies sadly, it's more about not losing their seat or there political power.
I've noticed that Party structures in Argentina (as in several other Latin American countries) is very decentralized and federalist. Is there any parties that try to organise along a more centralised nationwide model of political party?
The UCR is more organic as we say in spanish. More centralised nationwide as you said before, but it also has strong political figures that decide the candidates and stuff like in other parties, specially in the more caudillo-style type of provinces. But as you said before, party structures are very decentralized and very weak due to the elections being based on popularity of the candidates rather than ideology


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 26, 2017, 01:28:57 PM
Regarding dissident peronists.
San Luis PJ dissidents (Saa brothers, ACF, PJ San Louis) works with FPV this year?
Is Alianza Conoromiso Federal (ACF) dead now?
Yes, the kirchnerist PJ wing in San Luis is now under the Saa Brothers ticket. But this is not a ideological coincidence between them, it's just to not lose power in San Luis. The ex-governor (Poggi) is now going under the Cambiemos ticket and it's very competitive. Also, the provincial government is having a bad relationship with the national government. I read that in exchange of this support, they will finance part of Cristina's campaign in BA province. But maybe is just a rumour.
La Rioja PJ dissidents ( Menem FyL) is also with FPV?But San Juan PJ-dissidents (ACF, PyT) is with Cambien
The PJ dissidents are basically local leaders, of local factions, they are not really organized on federal level, for some of them is more beneficial going with Cambiemos others under FPV. It's not really about ideologies sadly, it's more about not losing their seat or there political power.
I've noticed that Party structures in Argentina (as in several other Latin American countries) is very decentralized and federalist. Is there any parties that try to organise along a more centralised nationwide model of political party?
The UCR is more organic as we say in spanish. More centralised nationwide as you said before, but it also has strong political figures that decide the candidates and stuff like in other parties, specially in the more caudillo-style type of provinces. But as you said before, party structures are very decentralized and very weak due to the elections being based on popularity of the candidates rather than ideology

I think that may be partly to do with political structure. I've noticed that countries with parliamentary and semi-presidential systems tend to have much more centralised party structures than countries with fully Presidential systems, especially is those countries are Federations as well.

Then you've got, as you say the whole caudillo archetype which, as I understand it, goes back even before Columbus to the Spanish conquest of Andalusia and the Canary Islands. Culture influences political structures which in turn influence culture.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 26, 2017, 01:49:20 PM
So there are five peronist lists in Buenos Aires province?
Unidad Ciudadana , FPV Kirchernists and Compromiso Federal
•Frente Justicialista, the other Kirchnerista Coalition. Formed by the Partido Justicialista (i.e. the Peronist Party) -but without any real support from most PJ/FPV mayors-, and a bunch of small irrelevant and unknown parties.
            -One list for the primaries will be led by Florencio Randazzo, another by some random dude who works for Ishii (Ishi is a mayor of a Grand Buenos Aires)
•1País. The Massa-Stolbizer (who will both run in one list for the Senate race) alliance, formed by Massa's Frente Renovador, two progressive parties (whoare not a formal part of the coalition), Stolbizer's GEN.
•Frente Unión Federal, a coalition of two small Peronist parties
•Frente Unión por la Justicia Social, formed by non-kirchnerista Peronist parties Celeste y Blanco (the party that ran De Narvaez's campaign in 2011) and Propuesta Federal para el Cambio (an old name of Pro's wing in the Province)


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 26, 2017, 03:24:07 PM
Or 6.
Because
•Cambiemos, formed by Pro (Macro's party), UCR,  CC-ARI (Carrió), FE (a small dissident Peronist party led by a labor union leader) i.e. som dissident Peronist elements

What are the opinion polls saying for BA???



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 26, 2017, 04:24:33 PM
What are the opinion polls saying for BA???

According to Clarín, polls predict a three cornered contest in the senatorial election between Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (Unidad Ciudadana), Esteban Bullrich (Cambiemos) and Sergio Massa (1País). CFdK comes first and the second place would be fought between Bullrich and Massa. Florencio Randazzo would come in a distant fourth, followed by Néstor Pítrola (Workers' Left Front) and the rest of candidates.

https://www.clarin.com/politica/dicen-ultimas-encuestas-provincia-buenos-aires_0_ryp7oEBmW.html

Then you've got, as you say the whole caudillo archetype which, as I understand it, goes back even before Columbus to the Spanish conquest of Andalusia and the Canary Islands. Culture influences political structures which in turn influence culture.

Caudillo is a Spanish word that refers to a leader -whether military, political or ideological- that commands a group of people. It's a person that exercises leadership providing guidance to an organisation, a community or an entire nation. The word is commonly used for XIX and XX Century leaders, Caudillismo in Latin America is a fascinating phenomenon with an interesting history. I am curious to know what do you understand as the caudillo archetype and its origins you date in the conquest if Andalusia and the Canaries, although I'm afraid this subject could be off-topic.



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on June 26, 2017, 07:00:35 PM
What are the opinion polls saying for BA???

According to Clarín, polls predict a three cornered contest in the senatorial election between Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (Unidad Ciudadana), Esteban Bullrich (Cambiemos) and Sergio Massa (1País). CFdK comes first and the second place would be fought between Bullrich and Massa. Florencio Randazzo would come in a distant fourth, followed by Néstor Pítrola (Workers' Left Front) and the rest of candidates.

https://www.clarin.com/politica/dicen-ultimas-encuestas-provincia-buenos-aires_0_ryp7oEBmW.html

Then you've got, as you say the whole caudillo archetype which, as I understand it, goes back even before Columbus to the Spanish conquest of Andalusia and the Canary Islands. Culture influences political structures which in turn influence culture.

Caudillo is a Spanish word that refers to a leader -whether military, political or ideological- that commands a group of people. It's a person that exercises leadership providing guidance to an organisation, a community or an entire nation. The word is commonly used for XIX and XX Century leaders, Caudillismo in Latin America is a fascinating phenomenon with an interesting history. I am curious to know what do you understand as the caudillo archetype and its origins you date in the conquest if Andalusia and the Canaries, although I'm afraid this subject could be off-topic.

Well to start with what were Cortes and Pizarro and other conquistador leaders if not Caudillos? It is often said that the concept of 'caudillo' comes from the reconquista, of a warlord leading a band to grab territory from the Moors in El Andalus or indeed later the Canaries for them and for the Crown of Castile. The conquest of the Spanish Indies was seen as a continuation of the same process, warlords and their bands grabbing land from the heathens for their own benefit but also for the Crown of Castile and the Catholic Church. The Spanish Indies were classified as being part of the Crown of Castile just like the reconquered in El Andalus and Canaries rather than being legally 'colonies' as the British territories in North America were.

That's just what I've read anyway, the Reconquista is not an area of expertise for me, others will know more.

It does seem to me clear however that when the archetype of the Caudillo re-emerged in the XIXth century hispanic America it was an archetype drawing very much from the Spanish side of the American heritage. (but as you say this is a bit off topic)


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 26, 2017, 08:02:13 PM
So there are five peronist lists in Buenos Aires province?
Unidad Ciudadana , FPV Kirchernists and Compromiso Federal
•Frente Justicialista, the other Kirchnerista Coalition. Formed by the Partido Justicialista (i.e. the Peronist Party) -but without any real support from most PJ/FPV mayors-, and a bunch of small irrelevant and unknown parties.
            -One list for the primaries will be led by Florencio Randazzo, another by some random dude who works for Ishii (Ishi is a mayor of a Grand Buenos Aires)
•1País. The Massa-Stolbizer (who will both run in one list for the Senate race) alliance, formed by Massa's Frente Renovador, two progressive parties (whoare not a formal part of the coalition), Stolbizer's GEN.
•Frente Unión Federal, a coalition of two small Peronist parties
•Frente Unión por la Justicia Social, formed by non-kirchnerista Peronist parties Celeste y Blanco (the party that ran De Narvaez's campaign in 2011) and Propuesta Federal para el Cambio (an old name of Pro's wing in the Province)


Yes, but only the first three are serious parties, no one has ever heard of the last two

And peronistas have a very weak formal presence within Cambiemos in the Province (FE is a very tiny party)


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 27, 2017, 02:01:22 AM
So 2 senate seats to UC and 1 to Cambieos or 1Pais?

Is it possible to see wich candidates on the Cambienos list that are from UCR, PRO, ARI etc? The same for 1Pais? UNA, GEN etc


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 27, 2017, 05:52:26 AM
So 2 senate seats to UC and 1 to Cambieos or 1Pais?

Is it possible to see wich candidates on the Cambienos list that are from UCR, PRO, ARI etc? The same for 1Pais? UNA, GEN etc

Buenos Aires Province is not a safe seat and there have been very few opinion polls so far, and the elections are still too far away anyway
Cambiemos (i'll only mention the first few candidates for deputies for each party as they'll be electing 35 of them)
       Candidates for Senators: Esteban Bullrich (Pro) - Gladys González (Pro)
        Candidates for deputies: Graciela Ocaña (Confianza Pública, her own center-left party)  Héctor "Toty" Flores (CC-ARI), Guillermo Montenegro (Pro), Marcela Campagnoli (CC-ARI), Fabio Quetglas (UCR)
Carlos Fernández (UCR)
1 País:
      Senate: Sergio Massa (Frente Renovador), Margarita Stolbizer (GEN)
      Deputies: Felipe Solá (FR), Mirta Tundis (FR), Daniel Arroyo (FR), Ignacio De Mendiguren (FR) Liliana Schwindt (FR), Jorge Sarghini (FR)
(Massa got way better results in the 2015 election than Margarita)


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on June 27, 2017, 07:35:09 AM
Thanks!

Do you have this info regarding the senate elections in the other seven provinces?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 27, 2017, 10:47:37 AM
San Luis:
Unidad Justicialista:
      Senate: Adolfo Rodriguez Saá (Compromiso Federal) Eugenia Catalfamo (CF)
       Deputies: Karim Alume (Movimiento de Integración y Desarrollo) Victoria Rosso (currently in the Rodriguez Saa cabinet), Alberto Geraiges (from the non-teaching staff labor union at the National University of San Luis
Cambiemos:
  -List A:Senate: Claudio Poggi (Avanzar) - Gabriela González Riollo (Pro)
          Deputies: José Riccardo (UCR), Ingrid Blumencweig (Avanzar),            Federico Fonzar (Pro)
  -List B: Senate: Toni" Lorenzo (UCR) - Graciela Nanci Uranga
            Deputies: Claudia “Paty” Farabelli (UCR), Mario Raúl Luco (UCR), Mario Omar Trivelli

Frente de Izquierda
GEN
Izquierda al Frente


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 27, 2017, 08:32:19 PM
First polls since they announced the candidates

June 25-26, Analogias, a polling group with kirchnerista leanings
Buenos Aires Province, Senate race
Cristina Kirchner - Jorge Taiana (Unidad Ciudadana) 33,8%
Esteban Bullrich-Gladys González (Cambiemos) 24,1%
Sergio Massa-Margarita Stolbizer (1Pais) 16,8%
Florencio Randazzo-Florencia Casamiquela(Frente Justicialista) 4,5%
Néstor Pitrola - Andrea Datri (FIT) 1.5%
Pino Solanas - Josefina Pouso (Creo) 1.5%
Others: 4.5%
Doesn't know: 13.3%


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 28, 2017, 04:44:46 AM
Buenos Aires City:
•Vamos Juntos
  Elisa "Lilita" Carrió (CC-ARI), Carmen Polledo (Pro), Fernando Iglesias (CC), Juan Manuel López (CC), Paula Oliveto (CC), Alejandro García (Pro), Facundo Suárez Lastra (UCR), Joanna Picetti (Pro), Jorge Enríquez (Pro), Patricia Holzman (Pro), Agustín Giustinian (Pro).
•Evolución
  Martin Lousteau, Carla Carrizo (UCR), Álvaro de Lamadrid (UCR), Mariano Genovesi (UCR)
•Unidad Porteña
   -Unidad Ciudadana, Daniel Filmus (FPV)Gabriela Cerruti (Nuevo Encuentro), Juan Cabandié (FPV/La Cámpora), Carlos Heller (Partido Solidario), Gisela Marziotta, Gustavo López (Forja), Gabriela Alegre (FPV), Lucrecia Cardozo, Augusto Costa, Francisco Cafiero (PJ), Juliana Sette, Daniel Gollán, Juan Pablo O'Dezaille
   -Ahora Buenos Aires, Itai Hagman(Patria Grande), Elizabeth Gómez Alcorta (PG)
   -Honestidad y Coraje, Guillermo Moreno (La Néstor Kirchner), María Lucila "Pimpi" Colombo (LNK), Adrián Andreatta, Rubén Zampini.
•Avancemos hacia un País Mejor
  Matías Tombolini, Florencia Arietto (FR), Raquel Vivanco (Libres del Sur)
•Frente de Izquierda
   Marcelo Ramal(PO), Laura Marrone (Izquierda Socialista), Patricio del Corro (PTS)
•Autodeterminación y Libertad
   Luis Zamora, María Cecilia Martínez
•Izquierda al Frente
    Alejandro Bodart (MST), Marina Robles (Nuevo MAS), César Latorre (MST)
•Convocatoria Abierta por Buenos Aires,
   -Popular y Socialista: Claudio Lozano (Unidad Popular), María Elena Barbagelata (Partido Socialista)
   -La Dignidad Izquierda Popular: Claudio Klejzer, Victoria Mafalda Sánchez
• Proyecto Sur
   Enrique Viale,  Damián Solanas
•Partido Humanista  
   Pablo Baqué, Mariana Lettis
•Partido Socialista Auténtico
   Adrián Camps, Analía Marín
•Partido Federal
   Patricia D'Aste, José Sanfilippo
•Partido Acción Ciudadana
   José Antonio "Pocho" Romero Feria (former governor of Corrientes)
•Bandera Vecinal
    Enrique Alberto Fantini
•Partido Federal
    Perennial candidate Juan Ricardo Mussa
•Partido El Movimiento , four different lists



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: RodPresident on June 28, 2017, 11:20:45 AM
Buenos Aires City:
•Vamos Juntos
  Elisa "Lilita" Carrió (CC-ARI), Carmen Polledo (Pro), Fernando Iglesias (CC), Juan Manuel López (CC), Paula Oliveto (CC), Alejandro García (Pro), Facundo Suárez Lastra (UCR), Joanna Picetti (Pro), Jorge Enríquez (Pro), Patricia Holzman (Pro), Agustín Giustinian (Pro).
•Evolución
  Martin Lousteau, Carla Carrizo (UCR), Álvaro de Lamadrid (UCR), Mariano Genovesi (UCR)
•Unidad Porteña
   -Unidad Ciudadana, Daniel Filmus (FPV)Gabriela Cerruti (Nuevo Encuentro), Juan Cabandié (FPV/La Cámpora), Carlos Heller (Partido Solidario), Gisela Marziotta, Gustavo López (Forja), Gabriela Alegre (FPV), Lucrecia Cardozo, Augusto Costa, Francisco Cafiero (PJ), Juliana Sette, Daniel Gollán, Juan Pablo O'Dezaille
   -Ahora Buenos Aires, Itai Hagman(Patria Grande), Elizabeth Gómez Alcorta (PG)
   -Honestidad y Coraje, Guillermo Moreno (La Néstor Kirchner), María Lucila "Pimpi" Colombo (LNK), Adrián Andreatta, Rubén Zampini.
•Avancemos hacia un País Mejor
  Matías Tombolini, Florencia Arietto (FR), Raquel Vivanco (Libres del Sur)
•Frente de Izquierda
   Marcelo Ramal(PO), Laura Marrone (Izquierda Socialista), Patricio del Corro (PTS)
•Autodeterminación y Libertad
   Luis Zamora
•Izquierda al Frente
    Alejandro Bodart (MST), Marina Robles (Nuevo MAS), César Latorre (MST)
•Convocatoria Abierta por Buenos Aires,
   Claudio Lozano (Unidad Popular), María Elena Barbagelata (Partido Socialista)
•Sur en Marcha
   Enrique Viale,  Damián Solanas
•Partido Humanista   
   Pablo Baqué, Mariana Lettis, Marcelo Neira, Alejandra Paiz
Who are favourites in the City?Who's better positioned in far-left, Zamora, Frente de Izquierda or Sur en Marcha?


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 28, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: RodPresident
Who are favourites in the City?Who's better positioned in far-left, Zamora, Frente de Izquierda or Sur en Marcha?

Cambiemos Vamos Juntos is by far the favorite in the City
FIT and then Zamora are better positioned (but I don't think either will get the 6-7% necessary to get a deputy, but they'll have a good chance of getting one of the 30 members of the city legislature each), with MST-MAS far behind (they didn't get the 1.5% necessary to go beyond the PASO last time)
Sur isn't that far to the left, and they haven't been even remotely relevant since 2013


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on June 28, 2017, 05:26:36 PM

Then you've got, as you say the whole caudillo archetype which, as I understand it, goes back even before Columbus to the Spanish conquest of Andalusia and the Canary Islands. Culture influences political structures which in turn influence culture.

Caudillo is a Spanish word that refers to a leader -whether military, political or ideological- that commands a group of people. It's a person that exercises leadership providing guidance to an organisation, a community or an entire nation. The word is commonly used for XIX and XX Century leaders, Caudillismo in Latin America is a fascinating phenomenon with an interesting history. I am curious to know what do you understand as the caudillo archetype and its origins you date in the conquest if Andalusia and the Canaries, although I'm afraid this subject could be off-topic.

Well to start with what were Cortes and Pizarro and other conquistador leaders if not Caudillos? It is often said that the concept of 'caudillo' comes from the reconquista, of a warlord leading a band to grab territory from the Moors in El Andalus or indeed later the Canaries for them and for the Crown of Castile. The conquest of the Spanish Indies was seen as a continuation of the same process, warlords and their bands grabbing land from the heathens for their own benefit but also for the Crown of Castile and the Catholic Church. The Spanish Indies were classified as being part of the Crown of Castile just like the reconquered in El Andalus and Canaries rather than being legally 'colonies' as the British territories in North America were.

That's just what I've read anyway, the Reconquista is not an area of expertise for me, others will know more.

It does seem to me clear however that when the archetype of the Caudillo re-emerged in the XIXth century hispanic America it was an archetype drawing very much from the Spanish side of the American heritage. (but as you say this is a bit off topic)

Well, Cortés and Pizarro belonged to the ranks of the lesser nobility. They were hidalgos, members of a military caste which was unused once the Reconquista was completed with the conquest of Granada. Such event occurred in 1492, the very same year Columbus 'discovered' the 'Western Indies'. It's logical that some of the most unsettled and adventurous among the ranks of the hidalgos tried to search their fortunes in America. As military leaders they can be considered caudillos, like a famous XI century Castilian warlord called El Cid. I guess that Jean de Béthencourt (a baron from Normandy) or Pedro de Vera, whom conquered the Canaries alongside with other warlords, can be considered caudillos too. Then we have the wars of independence and the phenomenon of caudillismo in the new republics (XIX century), the peronist caudillos (my favourites ;D ) and... Franco (Caudillo de España por la Gracia de Dios). I guess that the figure of the warlord is not exclusive of Spain and Latin America, even though the Hispanic caudillos may have some particular characteristics... moreover the term is used to define not only military but political leaders too. It's fascinating, but it'd be off-topic unless we establish a connection with San Martín, Juan Domingo Perón and his disciples ;)


More on topic, Minister of Education Esteban Bullrich runs for the Senate in Buenos Aires province.  Back in March, the man went to the Netherlands with Macri and others in the president's entourage. In the house of Anna Frank, he uttered a sentence which provoked reactions ranging between astonishment and indignation. Bullrich said that Anna Frank is "a very important symbol, especially working in eduction"- "She had dreams, knew what she wanted and those dreams were frustrated, mostly by a leadership which was not able to unite and bring peace to a world that promoted intolerance".

No words can explain...


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on June 28, 2017, 06:11:16 PM
That's nothing, you have to listen to a full speech by Macri


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on July 02, 2017, 04:58:24 AM
According to La Nación, the Mauricio Macri administration is preparing far-reaching reforms to implement after the elections. In order such reforms will be enacted, the main condition is defeating Cristina Fernández in the Buenos Aires province elections. As said before, La Presidenta is running for the Senate. The ruling coalition Cambiemos placed Esteban Bullrich against her.. Macri assured in 2016 that Bullrich would not be candidate because he is "one of the best education ministers" Argentina ever had and is making a "historical reform".

Macri administration wants to promote a fiscal reform, as well a political reform that includes changes in campaign funding; also changes in the public ethics law, regulatory agencies and the judiciary. These are some of the "long term modifications" that the Casa Rosada would want to implement once the "electoral hurdle" is passed. One of the main presidential obsessions is to create employment to reduce poverty. The view of Macri and the entrepreneurship is that goes hand in hand with a reduction of the "Argentinian cost". Accordingly ministers Nicolás Dujovny (Treasury) and Jorge Triaca (Labour) would be working in a broad fiscal reform that suppresses taxes and contributions, promotes legal contracts and combats work in the black economy. The support of the Justicialist Party (Peronist) is key to implement such reforms, especially the support of the provincial governors considered "friendly" by La Casa Rosada. Among the measures on political reform the government would like to see enacted feature the abolition of the PASO (primary elections) and the introduction of electronic vote.

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2038961-el-gobierno-prepara-profundas-reformas-para-despues-de-las-elecciones

In other news, yesterday it was the 43 anniversary of the death of Juan Domingo Perón. Former president Carlos Menem, who is running for Senate in La Rioja province, released a video in his Facebook campaign account where he remembers h¡s engagement to politics was motivated by a radio speech made by Perón. The man is apparently touched and on the verge of tears. His supporters hail: "¡Grande, Carlos!". Pure Menem style! ;D

http://www.lanacion.com.ar/2038826-el-llanto-de-carlos-menem-al-recordar-a-juan-domingo-peron-que-se-convirtio-en-un-spot-para-su-campana

That's nothing, you have to listen to a full speech by Macri

Do you think it's necessary?



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on July 03, 2017, 10:44:33 AM
Another poll
Buenos Aires Province
M&R Asociados-Query Argentina
25-28 June
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(I know that the definition is crap, but that's not my fault)



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on July 03, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
Buenos Aires Province
Management & Fit
(last week, but I couldn't find the exact date, it was released on July 1)

Senate:
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Deputies:
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Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 04, 2017, 03:23:07 AM
Why is the elections in the Buenos Aires province so close in the senate election but not in the diputados elections? Is Christina so popular??


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on July 04, 2017, 06:44:11 AM
Why is the elections in the Buenos Aires province so close in the senate election but not in the diputados elections? Is Christina so popular??

It's mainly that Vallejos is not well known, she has no name recognition


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on July 05, 2017, 03:26:17 PM
Buenos Aires City
Analogías, for the PJ (Unidad Porteña)

Voting intention by first candidate
1) ELISA CARRIÓ (Vamos Juntos),4%

2) DANIEL FILMUS (in Unidad Porteña) 16,1%

3) MARTÍN LOUSTEAU (Evolución)12,3%

4) LUIS ZAMORA (AyL)3,8%

5) MATÍAS TOMBOLINI (1Pais) 3,4%

6) GUILLERMO MORENO (in Unidad Porteña) 2,6%

7) ITAÍ HAGMAN  (in Unidad Porteña) 1,6%

8) MARCELO RAMAL (Frente de Izquierda) 0,9%

Voting intention by Coalition

1) VAMOS JUNTOS 43,4%

2) UNIDAD PORTEÑA 20,6%

3) EVOLUCIÓN CIUDADANA 9,4%

4) 1PAÍS 6%

5) AyL 3,5%

6) FRENTE DE IZQUIERDA (PTS y PO) 2,5%

7) IZQUIERDA AL FRENTE (MST y Nuevo MAS) 0,7%

8) OTRO 2,1%

NO SABE 11,9%


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 08, 2017, 02:26:47 PM
Opinion poll for Cordoba by MyF. Gives UPC (UNA) 29.9%, Juntos por Cordoba (Cambienos) 29.0%, Frente Cordoba Cidudans (FPV) 3.9%.

In 2015 Cambienos got 49.8%, UPC 21.1 % and FPV 18.1%



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 14, 2017, 03:07:22 AM
Two new polls for the senate election i Buenos Aires (region)
Axonier
28 June-2 July
1605 interviews
Buenos Aires Province, Senate race
Cristina Kirchner - Jorge Taiana (Unidad Ciudadana) 34,8%
Esteban Bullrich-Gladys González (Cambiemos) 33,2%
Sergio Massa-Margarita Stolbizer (1Pais) 17,7%
Florencio Randazzo-Florencia Casamiquela(Frente Justicialista) 4,6%
Néstor Pitrola - Andrea Datri (FIT) 2,2%

Synopis
1-2 July
1057 interviews
Buenos Aires Province, Senate race
Cristina Kirchner - Jorge Taiana (Unidad Ciudadana) 32,5%
Esteban Bullrich-Gladys González (Cambiemos) 30,1%
Sergio Massa-Margarita Stolbizer (1Pais) 18,0%
Florencio Randazzo-Florencia Casamiquela(Frente Justicialista) 5,6%
Néstor Pitrola - Andrea Datri (FIT) 4,2%

It seems like it will be a very close election between Kirchner and her Unidad Ciudana and Bullrich and Cambiemos. Either Unidad Ciudana gets tow seats and Cambiemos ine or vice versa.

Sergio Massa and his 1Pais seems to be to far away from the main contesters.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 14, 2017, 03:16:47 AM
But for the dpiutados race in Buenos airAs (province) Cambiemos seems to be cruising to victory.

Mangement and Fit
July
Buenos Aires Province, Diputados race
Ocana (Cambiemos) 38,0%
Vallejos (Unidad Ciudadana) 28,3%
Sola (1Pais) 10,4%
Del Cano (FIT) 5,3%
Bucca (Frente Justicialista) 4,0%


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 14, 2017, 03:29:25 AM
Also in Buenos Aires City diputados race Vamos Juntos (Cambiemos without UCR) is cruising to victory.You should consider that Evolución is mainly UCR and should be considered part of Cambiemos in the parliament.

Buenos Aires City, diputados race
Mangement and Fit
26 June-3 July
750 interviews
Vamos Juntos Carrió 37,9%
Unidad Porteña Filmus 16,8%
Evolución Lousteau 14,6%
Autodeterminación y Libertad Zamora 6,6%
Avancemos hacia un País Mejor Tombolini 6,5%
Izquierda al Frente Bodart 2,4%
Frente de Izquierda Ramal 2,3%


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on July 24, 2017, 05:54:51 PM
Elections in Chaco:

An election to renew 16 seats of the Chaco provincial legislature was held yesterday. The peronist Frente Chaco Merece Más ("Chaco Deserves More Front"), which governs the province, won the election with a 12% margin over Cambiemos ("Let's Change"). Trotskysts won a seat, apparently for the first time.

Frente Chaco Merece Más (Justicialist) 46.23%, winning 9 seats
Cambiemos 34.1%, winning 6 seats
Workers' Party (Trotskyst) 5.72%, winning 1 seat

Turnout 56.5%

Incumbent governor is Domingo Peppo, who replaced former cabinet chief (with president Cristina Fernández) and currently mayor of Resistencia (the provincial capital) Jorge Capitanich.




Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on July 25, 2017, 02:54:03 AM
This was a setback for the Justicialist front then or?

Since:
Chaco
Candidatos a Diputados Nacionales
25 de octubre de 2015

Electores Hábiles   864.891      
% de Votantes   77,28      
Partidos / Alianzas Electorales
ALIANZA FRENTE PARA LA VICTORIAa   343.023   53,75   2
ALIANZA CAMBIEMOSb   179.386   28,11   1
ALIANZA UNIDOS POR UNA NUEVA ALTERNATIVAc   92.247   14,46   
DEL OBRERO   12.778   2,00   
ALIANZA PROGRESISTASd   7.845   1,23   
PARTIDO CIUDADANOS A GOBERNAR   2.864   0,45




Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Velasco on July 25, 2017, 04:59:21 AM
This was a setback for the Justicialist front then or?

Since:
Chaco
Candidatos a Diputados Nacionales
25 de octubre de 2015

Electores Hábiles   864.891      
% de Votantes   77,28      
Partidos / Alianzas Electorales
ALIANZA FRENTE PARA LA VICTORIAa   343.023   53,75   2
ALIANZA CAMBIEMOSb   179.386   28,11   1
ALIANZA UNIDOS POR UNA NUEVA ALTERNATIVAc   92.247   14,46   
DEL OBRERO   12.778   2,00   
ALIANZA PROGRESISTASd   7.845   1,23   
PARTIDO CIUDADANOS A GOBERNAR   2.864   0,45

Not necessarily, since yesterday's was a provincial and not a national election. With regard to the previous election to the provincial legislature, the Justicialist Front lost one seat which went to Cambiemos. The seat won by the Workers' Party (Partido Obrero, PO) was previously held by a former member of the governing alliance who later became independent, apparently. It was just a minor provincial election.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 03, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
Regarding the two groups in parliament The Justicialista and
The Peronismo para la Victoria. What differs them from FPV and from Massa's peronists?!



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017 (Primaries October 13)
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on August 08, 2017, 05:23:26 PM
The Electoral Justice has barred former president Menem from running as senator, due to his sentence for  arms trafficking, he still has an opportunity to appeal, on both the arms trafficking charges and the electoral issue, behind the supreme Court

His supporters (including the current governor of La Rioja) are claiming that this a Conspiracy from wealthy judges from Buenos Aires and their pro-unitarian anti-peronist allies


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 12, 2017, 03:54:30 PM
My projection for the senate elections
PJ-FPV/UC
8 (Includes 2 FUJ from San Luis could be seen as federal peronists Saa Compromiso Federal )
Wins in Buenos Aires, Formosa and San Luis
Second in Juyjuy and Santa Cruz
A loss of 6
 
FPV-allies
CS (FRC) 2
Wins Missiones
No change

Federal Peronism
2 FT (San Juan)
Wins San Luis
No change

1 FJ (LyD, Menem La Rioja),
second in La Rioja
No change

Cambiemos 11
UCR 7,
wins Juyjuy, La Rioja and Santa Cruz
Second in Formosa
Gains 4

PRO 2,
Sgainsecpnd in Buenos Aires and Missiones
Gains  2

PyT (Compromiso San Juan, Ex. PJ) 1,
Second in San Juan
no change

Avanzar (Ex. Compromiso Federal San Luis, Ex. PJ),
Second in San Luis
Gains 1

UNA (Massas federal peronists) 0, no change

Progresistas 0, a loss off 1

Left, FTI-TS, 0 no change

In total
FPV and allies 34
PJ-FPV/UC 29
CS (FRC) FPV-allied 2
FC FPV-allied 2
FP (In reality FC) 1

Cambiemos 25
UCR 12
FCyS, in reality UCR 1
PRO 8
FP-CC-ARI 1
Avanazar (could beens seen as federal peronists) 1
PyT (could be seen as federal peronits)  1
Santa Fe Federal (could beens seen as federal peronists) 1

UNA (Massas federal peronists) 4
MPN 2
UPC 1
CST 1

Federal Peronists 6
Compromiso Federal 2
PJ La Pampa 2
Just 8 October 1
LyD 1

Progresistas 0

Left 0

Others 3
MPF 1
Proyecto Sur 1
Pares, Ex. FPV 1


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 13, 2017, 01:42:36 AM
My projection for the diputados elections
PJ-FPV/UC 29
Including 3 AFJ in Sant Fe were i think the Kirchenistas win the primary and 2 from San Juan that could be seen as federal peronists
A loss of 1
 
FPV-allies 5
CS (FRC) 2
No change

FCyS 3
No change

Federal Peronism 16
From Corrientes, Entre Rios, Juyjuy, La Pampa, La Rioja, Mendoza, Tucuman, Salta, and San Luis.

Cambiemos 53
A gain off 14


UNA (Massas federal peronists) 17
A loss off 4

Progresistas 1
Socialist 1
A loss off 6

Left 6
FTI-TS 5
A gain off 1

Others
JSRV (Rio Negro) 1
A gain off 1


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 13, 2017, 04:09:43 AM
According to how La Nacions has divided the peronists in Kirchenistas and PJ my predction is:
Kirchenistas 25
Buenos Aires FC, Catamarca and Nequen FUC, Chubut, Rio Negro, and Santa Cruz FPV, Formosa AFPV, Salta FCpV, San Luis FUJ, Santa Fe FJ, Tirrea del Fuego FCyS

PJ non Kirchenistas 20
City of Buenos Aires UP, Catamarca FJPV , Chaco CMM, Corrientes JPM, Entre Rios SER, Juyjuj and Tucuman FJ, La Pama PJ-LP, La Rioja FJR, Mendoza FSM, Salta FUyR, San Juan FT


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on August 13, 2017, 05:13:24 PM
According to Cambiemos (government) they won Entre Rios, Santa Cruz, Mendoza, Buenos Aires City, and Jujuy and they are optimist of their result in Buenos Aires Province. This are all opinions based on exit polls, but no real results until 9:00 pm (in two hours).


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on August 13, 2017, 07:11:14 PM
My very unrepresentative polling station's results for deputies

Vamos Juntos (Cambiemos): 84.7%
Unidad Porteña (FPV): 4.9%
Evolución (UCR+PS): 4.5
Frente de Izquierda:1.9%
CAxBA: 1.1%
1Pais: 0.6%
Partido Acción Ciudadana: 0.4%
Partido Socialista Auténtico: 0.4%
Autodeterminacion y Libertad: 0.4%
Everyone else: 0%
Blank votes: 0.4%



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on August 13, 2017, 07:55:11 PM
I can't post the link, but it's this: resultados.gob.ar/escrutinio/dat01/DDN01999A.htm
For Buenos Aires City -Deputies-: (47,70% of all votes)
Carrio (Cambiemos) - 48,32%
Filmus (UP) - 21,42%
Lousteau (ECO) - 13,27%
Tombolini (1Pais) - 4,09%
Ramal (FIT) - 3,86%
Others - 8,01%


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 14, 2017, 02:03:47 AM
Results PASO
Senate elections
Buenos Aires
Cambiemos 34,2%
UC 34,1
F1Pais 15,6
FJ 5,9
FIT 3,4
My prediction was a won for UC with Camb second. Lets see how this ends in the real elections

Formosa
FPV 54,5%
Cambiemos 35,6
PO (left) 2,3
My prediction FPV win Camb second. Was right.

Juyjuy
Cambiemos 36,3%
FJ 30,5
FR (UNA) 13,3
FIT 11,3
My prediction Camb win and FJ second. Was right. However thought FCV stood there and not FJ so federal peronist second not Kirchenistas

La Rioja
FJ (Menem) 44,6%
Cambiemos 36,1
MNG (Kirchenistas) 7,0
FIT 2,5
My prediction Camb win and FJ second. Was wrong. However Menem has been banned from standing so leta see how this ends.

Missiones
CS 41,0%
Cambiemos 28,6
PAS (Kirchenistas) 11,5
My prediction CS win and Camb second. Was right.

San Juan
FT 49,1%
Cambiemos 30,4
1Pais (UNA) 6,5
My prediction FT win and Camb second. Was right.

San Luis
Cambiemos 57,5%
FUJ 38,5
FIT 1,8

My prediction FUJ win and Camb second. Was wrong. Underestimated the ex governor ex Peronist now Avsnzar.

Santa Cruz
Cambiemos 45,9%
FPV 28,5
FIT 7,7

My prediction Camb win and FPV second. Was right.

In total
Cambiemos 12
PJ/FPV/UC Kirchenistas 5
Kirchenista allies 2
PJ/Peronista federal 5


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: FredLindq on August 14, 2017, 03:24:52 AM
Results PASO
Diputados elections
Cambiemos 59
A gain off 20

PJ/UC/FPV Kirchenistas 27
Buenos Aires FC, Catamarca and Nequen FUC, Chubut, Rio Negro, and Santa Cruz FPV, Cordoba FCC, Formosa AFPV, San Luis FUJ, Santa Fe FJ, Tirrea del Fuego FCyS
A loss off 3

PJ non Kirchenistas 23
Buenos Aires FJ, City of Buenos Aires UP, Catamarca FJPV , Chaco CMM, Corrientes JPM, Entre Rios SER, Juyjuj and Tucuman FJ, La Pama PJ-LP, La Rioja FJR, Mendoza FSM, Salta FUyR, San Juan FT
 
FPV-allies 5
CS (FRC) 2
No change

FCyS 3
No change

UNA (Massas federal peronism) 12
A loss off 9

Progresistas 1
Socialists  1
A loss off 6

Left 0
FTI-TS 0
A loss off 5

Others 0
JSRV (Rio Negro) 0 but is close


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: RodPresident on August 14, 2017, 08:19:46 PM
I'm sad to say, but unless Macri massively collapses in next 2 years, CFK presidential chances are very weak. Her only chance is to reunite all of Peronist factions (Massa, De La Sota, Randazzo, Rodriguez Saa brothers). And I'm surprised that historic Partido Intransigente appeared well at Mendoza.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: sb95 on August 15, 2017, 01:18:12 AM
I'm sad to say, but unless Macri massively collapses in next 2 years, CFK presidential chances are very weak. Her only chance is to reunite all of Peronist factions (Massa, De La Sota, Randazzo, Rodriguez Saa brothers). And I'm surprised that historic Partido Intransigente appeared well at Mendoza.
Yeah i don't get what happen in Mendoza with the PI, maybe some social democrat/progressive group of politians revive the party just locally.
About Cristina, yes even if she wins the senate race (which is possible because the 5% of votes that are still to be counted were in the greater buenos aires region where she won by a wide margin), the election is still seen as a defeat. The majority of the polls were giving her a 5/6 percent margin ahead of Bullrich (Cambiemos). Even the goverment thought that they would lose the province of Buenos Aires. Also, Cambiemos won in Santa Cruz Province by a wide margin of almost 25%, which is the "birthplace" of Kirchnerism.
Probably the results of the general election in October won't be much different from this primaries, Cambiemos will win some seats in deputies and in senators, but it will still need to negotiate with the different peronists sectors for the approval of laws. I think that if they repeat this results, this will give the goverment a big impulse to push forward for wider reforms specially regarding taxes, social security and particularly since the brazilian reform, in labor to remain competitive.


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: EnglishPete on October 22, 2017, 06:58:49 AM
Interesting article here on today's vote talking about the Maldonado case (his body was found five days ago) as well as the Kirchner corruption cases and the possible impact of these cases on today's vote

https://medium.com/@politicsarg/rough-guide-to-argentinas-midterm-election-and-the-maldonado-case-8006d3ab2a64


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 08:33:49 PM
Buenos Aires Province (98 reported)
Senate
Esteban Bullrich (Cambiemos): 41.3% (2)
Cristina Kirchner (Unidad Ciudadana): 37.3% (1)
Sergio Massa (1 País): 11.3
Florencio Randazzo (Cumplir): 5.3
Néstor Pitrola (FIT): 4.8%

Deputies
 Graciela Ocaña (C): 42.1 (15)
Fernanda Vallejos (U): 36.3   (13)
Felipe Solá (1P): 11  (4)
Nicolás Del Cano (FIT) : 5.3 (2)
"Bali" Bucca (Cumplir): 5.2 (1)

A great election for Cambiemos, I don't think even they expected to get such a large percentage and more than decent results by Randazzo and FiT











Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 08:42:14 PM
Buenos Aires City (100% reported)
Deputies
"Lilita" Carrió (Vamos Juntos) : 51 (8 seats)
Daniel Filmus (Unidad P): 21.7 (3 Seats)
Martín Lousteau (Evolución): 12.3 (2 Seats)
Marcelo Ramal (FIT): 5.8
Matías Tombolini (1P): 4.9
Luis Zamora (AyL): 4.3

No big changes in the results for the three parties that got seats, some wins for the left and 1P over their results in the PASO, but not enough to win seats


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lumine on October 22, 2017, 08:42:49 PM
Go Macri!


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 09:14:44 PM
Santa Fe (83% reportes)
Cambiemos: 38.1 (5)
Frente Justicialista : 25.4 (3)
Frente Progresista: 14.3 (1)
Un Proyecto: 4.6
Unite:4
Ciudad Futura: 3.8
Partido Popular:1.2
F Socialista y Popular : 2.8
Frente de Izquierda: 2.2
Espacio Grande: 1.7



Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
Córdoba (98%)
Deputies
Frente Cambiemos 48.4 (5)
Union por Cordoba 30.6 (3)
Frente Córdoba Ciudadana  9.8 (1)
Encuentro Vecinal[/coral] 3.6
Frente de Izquierda y los Trabajadores 3.3
Primero la Gente 2.5
Izquierda al Frente por el Socialismo 2


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 09:26:58 PM
Mendoza(98%)
Cambiemos 45.7 (3)
Somos Mendoza25.4 (1)
Partido Intransigente 17.2 (1)
Frente de Izquierda y de los Trabajadores 11.7


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 09:47:25 PM
Entre Ríos (100%)
Deputies
Frente Cambiemos 53 (3)
Somos Entre Ríos 38 (2)
Nueva Izquierda 4.8
 Partido Socialista 4.3


Title: Re: Argentina Legislative Election 2017
Post by: Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy on October 22, 2017, 09:55:40 PM
Tucumán (100%)
Deputies
Frente Justicialista 46.9 (2)
Cambiemos para el Bicentenario 32.6 (2)
Fuerza Republicana 15.8
Frente Izquierda de los Trabajadores 4.8