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Some additional reactions in the same CNN story :

"In my 47 years of association with @UVA, this was the most nauseating thing I've ever seen. We need an exorcism on the Lawn," Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia Center for Politics tweeted.

Charlottesville Mayor Mike Signer released a statement referring to Friday's rally as a "cowardly parade of hatred, bigotry, racism, and intolerance march down the lawns of the architect of our Bill of Rights."

My computer speakers are down... I wonder whether people were using a tune to which the lyrics began

"Die Fahne hoch! Die Reihe fest erschlossen!"

(The [Nazi] flag raised high/ our ranks in tight formation!)

(the infamous Horst-Wessel Lied   banned in all parts of Germany and Austria since 1945 as an expression of Nazism)

I'm surprised that the Klan never adopted that tune. 

Torchlight parades? Hitler recognized that political rallies at night better impress tired, receptive crowds. Note well that the typical Klan rally is staged at night and has a "cross-lighting" ceremony. 

Disgusting people.

Also, why do we report whenever they march? Isn't that just giving them more of a platform?

These are the real thugs.

Oh come on guys they just have "economic anxiety"

Still using Tiki torches, I see.

So, the rubes emerged from their trailer parks for a weekend...

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Looks like the US-version of Themar (https://www.thelocal.de/20170717/6000-strong-neo-nazi-music-festival-sparks-call-for-ban-on-far-right-gigs). Just without the right-rock tunes ...

Gotta keep up those strapping young Aryan appearances I guess

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This is a totally shameful thing to happen at my school, but no, these are not trailer park rubes, rednecks, or hillbillies. These are regular, middle class white people coming out of their cocoons and showing their real selves.

Tiki torches are so scary amirite??

Imagine having no redeemable qualities whatsoever so you have to convince people it's your race that makes you superior

Sure, sure. And those Oath Keepers with assault weapons just roaming around the streets? All hell would break loose if a group of black people decided to show up like that. Stop trying to trivialize this.

Everytime something like this happens, my appreciation deepens for that joke about how we should all aspire to have the confidence of a mediocre white man.

Exactly how does someone "work on" being disfigured?

I see the dregs of society have kindly identified themselves before they run for anything. Excellent.

Remember when Berkley students successfully stopped one of these from happening, and apparently we were all supposed to be outraged that they did?

Wouldn't be surprised if he's there as we speak.

No, I don't feel like being brutalized by your side.

Dude to this protest like we all know you want too.  You don't want to leave your friends hanging do yah?

You ought to try and format your sentences properly before trying to "burn" me.

The only brutalized people are the those protesting your Nazi friends up there.

Your friends must miss you :(

And you should try not be a white nationalist before calling others out.

2/10. Try harder.

I guess this thread has devolved into elementary school name calling and attacks.... How sad.


Anyway....

Why is the media even reporting this? All this is doing is giving them media attention which is what they want.

This. That's what I said before. I guess now it's bigger news since the state is in a state of emergency, but before it happened, it was stupid to report it. And people didn't really report them before these past two years.

It's a huge demonstration, folks. It needs to be reported.

Because this type of violence has been endemic over the past year.  Because the organizers have been making lots of noise and been meeting with both a US congressman and the man who came close to winning a primary for governor.  Should I go on?

Can we stop calling them alt-right, yet?

Can you believe that ? !!
If this is not evidence of their Nazi ways ... what is ?
Un-f**king-believable !
Complete disgusting scum of the Earth.
(Good find, once again Virginia. Thank you for posting it.)

State of Emergency has been declared now that the protests have gone violent.

Our 46th President is building up his twitter chops, I see.

DSA comes to town. (https://www.twitter.com/Hector_E_Alcala/status/896396342263787520)

There is video of these Nazis chanting : "One people, one nation, end immigration" & "blood and soil."

Blood and Soil (German: Blut und Boden) refers to a racist ideology that focuses on ethnicity based on two factors, descent blood (of a folk) and territory. It celebrates the relationship of a people to the land they occupy and cultivate, and it places a high value on the virtues of rural living.

These aren't working class white people with real economic problems. These are upper-middle class suburbanites coming out into the open.

Well, the DSA just got a whole lot better in my book.

Lots of mediocre white guys in town today......

To the DSA's credit, they aren't the ones hurting people. That distinction belongs to the nationalists and the antifa types. I'd imagine some of the clergy we saw today are associated with them.

Those working class white people also like to use the same excuses that these folks use as well.  They just aren't vocal about it.  Stop trying to excuse their behaviour and beliefs because they are some hallowed group that needs to be venerated.

Careful. You don't wanna get your posts moderated for "personal attacks". Criticism of Sanchez, Santander, and other report monkey snowflakes is quickly removed.

I just got a notification on my phone that there's been some kind of car atrack at the rally? Sorry for no more information.

Lots of photos and videos coming out of the scene, but no one's captured the whole episode from beginning to end. Early estimates say ~10 injured, some worse than others. Nothing concrete yet, but it looks pretty bad.

EDIT: Unconfirmed reports that someone drove their car into a group of counter-protestors, then partially reversed back over the same direction.

"To my antifa brothers and sisters in Christ in Charlottesville, keep fighting. God is with you in your stand against evil. Even for those of you who don't believe: God is with you too."

From my Facebook feed.

I understand that Antifa sucks, but where are they when you need them?

I go to take a shower and this happens? Jesus Christ. Maybe I was wrong about these torch bearing fatasses being a threat after all.

Video of the car incident: https://twitter.com/severin_jahn/status/896431893394206720

Edit: another view makes it clear it's no accident: https://twitter.com/brennanmgilmore/status/896434516260212737

I don't report posts unless they advocate violence (Evergreen, etc), and the mods can confirm this. I think the reason your posts disappear has to do with the fact that you suck.

Because the party isn't defending these idiots?

The party, from Trump to the House Republicans to the Senate Republicans, are condemning the hate and bigotry of the white supremacists.

Do I have to post video of the Scalise shooting to prove that both sides literally do it or can we move on?

He condemned it. But that's never enough. The house condemned too, but that's probably never enough.

I hope you don't equate those two movements with each other in terms of how bad they are.

What about all of the beating that Nazis have been doing throughout the day?  Or the murders by racists of Black men and women?  One side is soaked in blood right now, and it's definitely not mine.

Except there's nothing wrong with violence against organized fascists. Dialogue with those neo-Nazis is a waste of time; all they know is violence, so the left should respond in their language.

Here's a pic of Richard Spencer being maced and arrested


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Didn't even know he was here, but this is obviously good news! If only we could arrest more violent far-right and far-left citizens

Too early to speculate either way, tbh.

Alt-rightists, or neo-Nazis, are serial liars. They shouldn't be trusted. We should only believe that if a credible source confirms it.

Yup.

They want it both ways.

It doesn't matter who drove the car. That person should be arrested and tried.

He needs to be charged with incitement. Blood is on his hands.

No they don't. Those racist a**holes should walk themselves the f*** out of politics.

Every party has violent supporters and "my party" has already condemned this multiple times

The fact that Bannon, Gorka, and others are still employed by this White House means that they at least implicitly support what is going on in Charlottesville.

lol....keep believing that.

They want their votes which is why elected R's have been so vague in their statements.

Unbelievable. These nazi groups need to be shut down.

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Good News!

It is the truth, but continue to stay in denial about it.

My grandfather shot fascists. Smart man.

Ding ding ding

Is the driver actually visible in any of the videos?

That's a good point - virtually all of these alt-right protesters had grandfathers or great-grandfathers who fought the Nazis. They're all rolling over in their graves now over the idea that such immediate descendants are idolizing the very thing they saved the world from.

Nice reporting my post Sprouts. Twice.

What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists?

It is what it is. It's sad, but it is what it is. Shameful.

Thanks, President Hindenburg

Don't do this.

According to reports, the driver is in police custody.  We will know at some point who it is.  Until then, speculation is pointless.

I'm not Hindenburg, I don't like what is going is going on.

University of Virginia students are being instructed to shelter in place amid protests (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/protests-nationalists-charlottesville/536661/?utm_source=atlfb)

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I reported it once. And the fact that saying violence is good is disgusting? Pretty obvious to me.

I'd love for all who gathered at the original rally to be locked up, but I'm not calling for a battlefield against our own people

Electing a candidate that ran on driving a wedge along racial and ethnic lines only served to further embolden this trash.

I have no idea what you're talking about. What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists? He tried to get to Spain to shoot them before it was cool. His nephew sabotaged Rolls Royce engines he helped build because fascist Pinochet was using them in bombers. Some of them blew up. He got a medal from the democratic Chilean government for it. My family have a proud history of killing fascists :D

Why won't Trump say Radical White Supremacist Terrorism?

Your family sounds awesome. We need more folks like your grandfather today.

This needs to become a thing.

Agree.

Charlottesville Mayor confirms at least one fatality.

Sprouts reported this too. Apparently for encouraging insurrection.

More battles will follow. Remember Cable Street. They shall not pass!

Yes, I did! Wasn't Kalwejt forced to take a timeout for doing this to averroes :) I'll play "victim" if it means taking out the worst one on the moderation staff!

CNN is reporting 1 has died so far.

I know I'm probably wasting my time, But could everyone chill and act like adults?

My head will be held high if I do. Trust me :)

No Pasaran!

This is terrorism. Call it what you will, but this is what it is.

Guys please remember that political correctness is the greatest threat on college campuses.

Trump is worthless.

"Hate from all sides".

Pathetic President

Why the hell is he talking about unemployment? For the love of God!

What else is he going to talk about? Obviously not the violence of his core supporters. All he did about them is say "both sides do it," as if protesting and violence in defense of White Supremecy is equivalent to the opposition to those evils.

Oh, I didn't expect him to.

He is a coward after all.

President Trump has fueled American Nazis.

Deny it all you want, but that is the simple fact of the matter.  If not for Trump, these people would have no real voice right now.  His words encourage them; his policies embolden them.

They are one and the same, as are those who defend him and those who deny that he has inspired hatred on a grand scale.

Just recently, I talked with a Trump supporter who tried to argue that black people are actually a different species from white people.  I'm not joking, but I wish I were.  During the election, I talked with another Trump supporter who tried to explain that Hitler was a good leader, except for "all the Jewish stuff."  The hatred is real and it is being led and spread by our commander-in-chief.

Trump is an absolutely worthless piece of sh*t. Kelly seems to be a failure so far.

"On many sides" Screw you Trump!

Wow even by Trump standards this is f**king terrible.

Trump owns these people.  They are his base.  Of course he is never going to outright disown them.

Behold, Trump's first failure in addressing/handling a domestic crisis, absolutely sad times for our country.

Trump's just giving the millions of Americans (minority of Americans, mind you) what they want. He's their voice; the voice of White Supremacy and wealthy interests.

I'm sure it's already been noted, but if Obama had given the same speech/statements, he would've been crucified.

Can we please focus on the events and not on other posters?

If Obama had given that speech everyone would wonder if he was having a stroke on air.

Reprehensible and disgusting. No human being should be killed because of their race, political beliefs or anything else. I hope this terrorist faces a firing squad and spends the rest of his eternity in hell.

Former KKK leader David Duke invoked President Trump's name at this white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Watch the video here : http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/08/12/david-duke-trump-charlottesville-protest-nr.cnn

This isn't all on Trump. The entire Republican party own these people.

They have been coddling these assholes for 40+ years now.

He is their president, their preferred leader, without a doubt.

To his supporters in this thread, I ask you, why do you think that is?

What an abysmal speech.

I actually thought he could manage to make a good speech, but his "all sides" statement and his overall demeanor made it seem like he didn't care at all.

He's giving aid and comfort to the 62 million people who enabled this so they don't feel any guilt.

Trump is a white supremacist. We've been saying this all along but I guess it took him being elected for some to see it. He will never condemn the KKK and Nazis outright because they put his mentally deranged ass in office.

It's like they just woke him up for a nap and all he wants to do is go back to sleep.

Can't believe I'm the one doing this, but...

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Remember when Hillary Clinton was attacked for her Reno speech about white nationalism?

Can we now use the term "Deplorable Neo-Nazis" to describe the scum at this white nationalist, alt-right rally ?

How is this Trump's fault? Neo-Nazi's have been around for centuries.

HELL YES

This is a joke, right?

He's currently employing Neo-Nazi's like Bannon, Gorka, Miller and others.

Spencer was let go, he was only detained, I believe.

It's sad because the part of the speech that was told with the most enthusiasm was the little rants he did about Foxconn  or whatever. And then at the very end of his "unity" speech he turns to the veterans and makes a little joke.  Trump is just an ass of a person. He clearly doesn't know what's appropriate, but I guess I should've known that about him by now.

Trump is a symptom of the disease that plagues American society. He's certainly not the cause. However, he has empowered that disgusting and dangerous element, and with his speech today he has demonstrated no effort at calling them out specifically for their beliefs and actions, thereby allowing himself to continue symbolically representing them and benefiting from them.

How are they neo-nazi's? They are definitely on the far-right but they aren't neo-nazi's or declared ones at the least.

If it walks like a duck...

By the modern left's standards, most of the men who fought the Nazis in WW2 would be considered Nazis themselves. Take Enoch Powell, for example.


The notion that white right-wingers are a bigger terrorist threat than Muslims is utter nonsense based on misleading data (http://takimag.com/article/the_myth_of_white_terrorism_gavin_mcinnes).


Do all of the millions of people who voted for Hillary Clinton deserve to be blamed for what happened at a Virginia baseball field back in June?

Gorka wore a Nazi medal to the inauguration and it doesn't matter if they have declared themselves to be Neo-Nazi's if they hold the same beliefs.

Known Neo-Nazi Richard Spencer was a contributor to the source you listed, lol.

He didn't write the article I linked to, and facts are facts regardless of who reports on them.

I don't think they want to run over people with cars, or chant "Blood and Soil" or nor do they believe that abortion should be kept legal because it kills minorities. The white nationalists themselves at the rally are horrid humans but they are so far to the right that the alt-lite has left them. You could consider Bannon and the others to be alt-lite, that'd be fair but white nationalists, no.

Seriously that Trump speech may be the worst address ever given by a President.

Like, I realize nothing he could say would make me stand up and cheer, but he didn't even f**king try. He could not give less of a s**t.

I want him to get a wasting disease.

Everytime I think Trump cant get any lower, he one ups himself.

I do think, President Trump, should've talked about white nationalism and the evils of hating a fellow man and it is very sad he didn't.

Better than pretending to be one online, though

Here's what Gorka said three days ago:

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If you listen closely to the video, you can hear the Nazis actually trying to convince the police that "we are on your side" and that the anti-rally protesters are the "enemy."
Of course the police ignore them.
LOL.
What a bunch of disgusting white-nationalist fascists.

Yeah, today was the ultimate low point in Donald Trump's presidency.

You can't solve a problem unless you say what it is



^^^

So far.

It's a low point in US history to be honest.

Too late.

There's gonna be a violent positive feedback loop of political violence. We have seen it alternate from the far-right and the far-left and the far-right again.

We have not faced such a crisis of violence against our own people since the 1960s and 1970s.

Not sure.

This country has had some really low points.

Reports saying the man killed by the car attack was a IWW and DSA member.

I need to go do something else with my day than stay in this thread.

Uh...this is just the beginning.

I would reserve saying that for when we reach Venezuela-levels of chaos.

 If this would have taken place in North Carolina, the terrorist would be protected from civil liability (https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2017-04-28/north-carolina-house-votes-to-protect-drivers-who-hit-protesters)

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I'm just going to leave this here-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhZZwVAqMg

Everything bad is Trump's fault and every speech by Trump is the worst one ever. Like any other day on Atlas. Reminds me why I seldom post here anymore.

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/896462055972143104

STFU.

This speech was god awful and you know it.

You're not missed.

I actually thought it was a very good speech, full of love and aiming at unity.

Are any of the leftists here going to respond to the points I made?

Sorry to enter your little echo chamber, sweeties.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out.

C'mon man, you can do better

What points?

Sad seeing someone who at one point seemed decent go down this road.

lol

I don't even know who you are...?

Ana Navarro is flipping her s*** on CNN right now over Ben Ferguson.

Look on page 7.

Yep. Hosts on CNN being smug are a bigger threat than the white supremacists who probably killed someone today.

That's a man, not Trump.

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There isn't a smidgen of "love" that trump has for Americans or mankind.
The only love he has, is love for himself .... that narcissist clown.

Thanks for your great insight, such a moderate. Also, use proper grammar.

Behold the typical leftist, triggered by facts that contradict the narrative he's trying to push and unable to come up with any actual arguments.

Probably a good thing if your posts are that terrible...

You mean like people who drive cars into crowds of protesters they disagree with?

I'm not a leftist by any stretch but people being "triggered" is the least of our problems right now.

Or you know, you just rambled a bunch of words down which don't deserve the time and energy to go through and point out how sh**t they are.

Again, Trump has responded more decisively against celebrities and reporters than he has against this terrorist attack that has already resulted in a death. There's nothing "very good" about a half-spirited and mediocre speech meant to dismiss the issue.

I don't sympathize with the car driver at all. He ought to be locked up for life.

This incident is not, however, a validation of the leftist worldview.

I wonder how this will affect the gubernatorial election. I bet some of these white supremacists voted for Stewart, which means that Gillespie's gonna have to decide if he wants their voters or those of NOVA.

Or maybe it was just an awful speech...

Exactly this.

Thank you.

No.  It is a window into the horrors of extreme polarization, hate, anger, bitterness, and complete hardening of hearts.

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/896468842645516288

And as usually the WH double downs.

**** these people. I would pay good money to go to their funerals.

And the rally ? What about the rally ... what about that "incident" ?
You know the one where thousands of Nazis have gathered.

David Duke: Charlottesville protests about ‘fulfilling promises of Donald Trump’ (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/346326-david-duke-charlottesville-protests-about-fulfilling-promises)

Oh man this is great

No, but it shows how the backlash against PC and the hate (and today violence) that backlash has generated are now a bigger problem than PC.

Trump is disgusting and had a disgusting speech. The end.

*Opens thread*

Nope.

*Closes thread*

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I'm so ashamed to be an American right now.  What a disgusting state of affairs.

The only time I will ever type this sentence: Good statement from Mike Huckabee:

Hmm... I wonder what's going on at Breitbart, the site where Steve Bannon was formerly the editor before becoming a top Trump advisor and campaign manager...

MARK SIMONE @MarkSimoneNY
First Russia, now the media will try to create some sort of fake relationship between Trump and the White Supremacists.
4:15 PM · Aug 12, 2017

Tim Pool @Timcast
People chanting "Love has already won" in #Charlottesville. Sorry but no, ya'll hate just as much as the other side.
12:24 PM · Aug 12, 2017


http://www.breitbart.com/live/live-wire-charlottesville-protest-turns-violent-as-state-of-emergency-declared/

This is from Cory Gardner, who has no balls and even he has enough sense to call it what it is.

F**king JEB BUSH even had the balls to say white supremacy in his statement.

Yes, blame the counter protests for why a stupid white nationalist sickness caused him to kill a person and injure over a dozen more...

Eat a brick.

This is a pretty good post I saw on the issue...

If there's one good thing about the Trump administration, it's that he's soiled the reputation of nationalism for at least a generation.  If he would have lost, it would have only emboldened the alt-right to regroup and run a much more slick and competent nationalist in 2020 or 2024.  Nationalism also likely would have taken a much greater stronghold in Europe, especially in France, Austria, and the Netherlands.

People like you are part of the problem.

You're like a second Bronz but less funny.

The worst part of Trump's speech, to me, was that he somehow managed to brag about low unemployment and foreign investment in what was supposed to be a statement about a conflict that culminated in a terrorist act. Everything is about him.

You have no idea what the far left even is.

I totally agree.

You are just now figuring-out, that with trump, "everything is about him ?"

I imagine it more like:

Some advisor: "Okay Donald, we need to talk about jobs, jobs, jobs if we want to win in 2020. Mention jobs in every speech."

Trump, with a brain of a Labrador retriever mixed with Amelia Bedlia: "I understand completely"

He is a narcissist.

Cause it's false equivalence bullsh*t. One side are Nazis and klan members, the other was one that got run over by a car ISIS style.

Seriously all the bronz/Wulfric clones in society are part of the problem.

This is Virginia; there's a strong chance he might get the needle for this.

He's definitely a narcissist, the real questions are 1. does he have alzheimer's 2. is he a sociopath? The answer to both is probably yes.

Not sure if it's connected, but a police helicopter crashed just outside of Charlottesville:

Weird how when you make a really dumb post a lot of people are going to respond.

What does Enoch Powell have to do with the actions of this guy?

1) Our names are right above our avatars, stop being obtuse.

2) You should definitely go to the family of the protestor who died from being run over and tell them that he was just as bad as the people he was there to stop.

The left seems to be hysterically obsessed with Trump, who condemned the hatred and bigotry espoused.

Why are all these people so obsessed with the most powerful person in the world whose decisions could end their lives in a moments notice. Get a life losers.

Then felt the need to add 'on many sides' at the end of his statement, which is trying to blame the protesters for this terrorist attack.

FASCISM AND NORMAL PEOPLE ARE LITERALLY THE SAME AMIRITE?!?!!11!

Trump may as well say he supports the neo-Nazi thugs.

Oh f**k I cannot work my way out of this logic trap. Exposed by my own hypocrisy

They showed up to protest against Fascists and weren't vewy nice to them eithew :(

He condemned them, but don't let facts get in the way of your strongly held opinion...

Rubio:

Lmao!

Far-right hooligans across the country should be brought to heel. Law and order.

Tis a sad day when Santander makes a better take than you

Without the counter-protest nothing would have happened

"But AntiFa" is universal code for "I am a moron, please put me on ignore"

His condemnation was in a mealy-mouthed, "the other side are just as bad" form that I personally detest whoever does it.

The Times are confirming this.

This isn't hard.

One side was protesting, the other ran them over.

Some of the DSA protestors were undoubtedly supporters of crazy and hateful stuff like "reparations" and abolishing the police/prisons. The hate, bigotry and discord that tears apart the U.S. doesn't just come from one side (and yes, the organization behind the alt-right demonstration was absolutely deplorable too, but that goes without saying). People who don't see this are willingly blind and can't blame Trump for it; this issue long preceded Trump, as he himself alluded to.

It was obviously an insincere condemnation. It's like when a teacher forces a child to apologize even though they don't want to. Trump was forced to condemn them because he's the president, but his demeanor and inappropriate asides stripped all meaning from what could have been a great opportunity for Trump to show some maturity and to be a president for all Americans.

lol.

So racist are the only ones allowed to peacefully protest?

It's the woman's fault she got raped.

It's the Jews' fault they got gassed.

It's the African-Americans' fault Jim Crow laws were instituted.

Piss off.

If leftists were 1/20th as violent as right wing media makes them out to be, this rally would've been been over by sunrise.

Another mudslinging contest that fails to realise it is this toxic atmosphere that is dividing our societies.

One terrorist ran people over.

Seriously.

These assholes would be six feet under if lefties were as crazy as the right says they are.

Violence may beget violence, but "they started it" is not an excuse.

I never excused the Scalise shooter.

Ah, the old "she was asking for it" excuse.

Then why are Republicans like Gardner, Rubio, etc. are calling him out for not doing enough?

"B-but... but what about MUH SCALISE?!"

I guess everything wrong the right does is justified because a lunatic who vaguely holds the same political views as I do shot some people months ago.

Framed, excellent example of why it is truly "many sides" doing it. Thanks!

The Republican base isn't the Neo Nazi with the car. It's the asshole sitting at home who gets a small feeling of satisfaction when he hears the news.

Neo-Nazis/KKK/Alt-Right: White people are better than everyone else.

BLM/NAACP/etc: Non-white people are no better or worse than white people.

See the difference? Stop with the false equivalencies.

....yes, actually. I'll concede this.

Using this list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States), and including today's incident here's my tally of terrorist incidents post-9/11 (rough count, not plugged into Excel or anything):

65 different attacks:
- 31 perpetrated by Islamic extremists
- 15 perpetrated by neo-Nazis, sovereign citizens, and assorted far-right terrorists
- 3 perpetrated by black nationalists, ecoterrorists, and assorted far-left terrorists
- 16 perpetrated by people with other or unknown motives

167 people killed (not including attackers)
- 95 were killed by Islamic extremists (over half of these in the Orlando shooting)
- 37 were killed by neo-Nazis, sovereign citizens, and assorted far-right terrorists
- 4 were killed by black nationalists, ecoterrorists, and assorted far-left terrorists
- 31 were killed by people with other or unknown motives

Absurd straw man.

None of it is.

Let's see if we can go the next 3 pages without resorting to whataboutism.

Yes, I will. The attack was unjustified and wrong.

I'm going to get banned? Did you read Cora's post? It's only a matter of time before he goes out to "avenge" what happened today.

You should seriously consider your posts more carefully before you get banned.

Tons.

Lost already.

In other news, /pol/ "identified" the driver as Joel Vangheluwe and used various photos of him in artsy outfits as a way to prove "he's not one of us lmao, just another leftist"

And that would be great and all if Joel wasn't posting on Facebook as we speak.

belgians...

Cora isn't going to kill anyone, and you don't want anyone to kill themselves either. So, both of you need to hush with that level of discourse.

If only the victim just got out of the way! ::)

I dunno, /pol/ seem adamant the Jews did it.:p

Quit trolling. You're too transparent at this point.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/896437943828717568/video/1

Listen, if the white nationalists marched and nobody came out to greet them, then they would get bored and never ever march again.

Every incident like this gets /pol/ into detective mode, which has never not ended in them descending onto some poor innocent sap's social media page like a swarm of locusts.

Wanting compensation for trillions of hours of unpaid labor and the continued economic oppression post slavery is hateful? Oh.

A police helicopter just crashed near Charlottesville.

Likely has no relation to the events downtown. Two confirmed deaths in the crash though.

If you don't see how "reparations" are racist and hateful, you're very much part of the problem.

Welcome to Trump's America:

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Give it a rest already.

The vast majority is one sided. Vastly one sided.

Yes, alt-right have been beating up counter-protesters all day.

I remember when they claimed a dead guy who was punched Richard Spencer.

Obsessed ?
Do you mean like when the right was hysterically obsessed with Hillary's emails ?

Yes, good comparison!

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeffgiesea/status/896437943828717568/video/1

It's the reality, right there, in HD.

Today Terry McAuliffe became president

LOL.
Are you for real ?

No. He's not.

Three killed.

Extremely normal person behaivour to come into a thread about white supremacists and start yelling about people wanting reparations.

He's as real as Cora is 

I take back my previous statement. I love this thread.

Two were in an unrelated helicopter crash. The crash would not have occurred of course if the events today didn't require a helicopter.

It is funny how so many of us were wrong about T-mac.

Best governor this state has had in decades.

Just trying to lighten up a tense situation but in all seriousness the fact Terry looks more like the CIC right now then Trump does should embarrass him

People who continue to pretend that racism is just something that liberals made up are deluding themselves. Racism is real and it is ugly.

Oh I know David is a racist from every time he talks about Palestinians. This is just the first time I've seen him nuzzle so close to actual white supremacy.

That sounds like some Atlas members; some who are posting right now as we chat.

And I should care about your opinion because...?

Yeah Im sorry, I took it a bit litterally

It's pretty ironic considering all the antisemitism on display from the side he's excusing.

Because saying "reparations" -- payments from white people to black people based on race -- are racist = white supremacy? Atlas Leftists are getting more deranged by the minute.

I'm excusing what exactly...?

Its also ironic because his country received reparations from West Germany.

How did reparations even come up in this thread?

I mentioned them as an example of why Trump is right when he says that the hatred and racism comes from multiple sides.

Considering the disgusting, rabid anti-Semitism among White Nationalists and other assorted Fascists, you'd think David would at least be more reluctant to make this into a "both sides do it" situation. But maybe he finds some repugnant common ground with them since they both share a nationalist/supremacist ideology for their respective groups. Zionists, especially hardliners, and White Nationalists have a lot in common today.

Reparations are a bad idea, but I really don't see how they are comparable to people chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil".

So are the reparations from West Germany to Israel a hate crime, David?

DSA support BDS and are just as vile as -- and more dangerous than -- the organizers of the rally. Which doesn't excuse the latter group at all, btw.

That's deflection and not very good deflections at that. Like reparations or not, it's a stretch to call them hatred or even racism. Post slavery and during reconstruction, they would have made sense.

This has to do with the removal of a Robert E. Lee statue and a bunch of racists who thought they would use it as an opportunity. This doesn't have to do with trump.

If left-wing protestors would shoot police, I wouldn't come into the thread and say "Welcome to Obama's America." That's just ridiculous.

In what way are reparations hateful? Also not everything based on race is instantly racist.

I don't necessarily support the reparations from DE to IL but there is obviously a clear difference between actual perpetrators and their contemporaries paying money to actual victims on the one hand and people paying for the crimes of some of their forefathers to people who were never enslaved on the other hand. It goes without saying that I don't think post-1945 Germans should be required to pay any reparations to IL.

David, you don't live in America and you have zero understanding of our racial history from your perch in the Low Countries. Stay in your own lane and stop hijacking this thread.

Thank you !

But why do these people insist Trump is on their side? You'd never hear Antifa say "Obama supports us"

Triggered again? Do we get another rant about brown Jews from you now?

David Duke sent out a tweet basically reminding Trump of who put him in office and Trump has giving racists seats at the table.

Why should we immediately believe people who are not in their right minds?

Richard Spencer, as racist and evil as he is, would not qualify as mentally unstable

David Duke and his statement are ridiculous, stupid, and deserve to be taken with no seriousness.

Also, if you are referring to Bannon, he (wrongfully) has a seat, but he has no real control over anything in the admin (thankfully)

I meant backwards in their beliefs. It takes a sick kind of person to promote such racial superiority.

Funny you talk about that, because right wingers on Reddit making threats to the Charlottesville PD and laughing about the two killed in the chopper crash right now.

That is an ignorant excuse to somehow insert "reparations" into this conversation.
Why not figure out a way to also introduce little green people from Mars into the debate.

How the hell are they more dangerous? They don't seem to do anything but pass resolutions at their convention and write long screeds on WordPress and Tumblr no one reads except some of their other members.

O...ok? That has nothing to do with my post. There are alt-righters on Reddit. That's pretty obvious. And they are malicious people.

I'm also pretty confident the vast majority of counter-protesters there had nothing to do with DSA.

Well that is true, but there's a reason they think Trump support their goals:
--rampant birtherism
--thinly veiled racist criticism of Obama
--"standing up" to the globalist elites (also thinly veiled antisemitism here)
--"They're rapists"
--Never outright condemns them

You have no need to defend these actions and I don't think any conservative ought to feel obligated to defend what's indefensible.

Supporting a nonviolent, voluntary boycott of Israel is worse than a neo-Nazi, White Supremacist rally that resulted in one of its participants employing an ISIS terrorist tactic to kill 1 person and injure over 20 others. You are a true piece of work.

Speaking as someone who loathes BDS, how can you possibly say this with a straight face?

Its the post that sums up DavidB. Incredibly misguided, unable to see the irony of defending neo-Nazis by pointing the figure at the BDS movement for anti-semitism.

I don't support BDS, but to be fair it's a political movement targeted at the current hyper-conservative Israeli government, not at Jews or Israelis as a whole. If Israel elected a socialist government that included both Jews and Arabs in the winning coalition, BDS would be over in a flash.

Considering that Duke has never much aligned with any Republican elected official like he has with Trump, it is quite telling. It doesn't matter how much control Bannon has, a seat at the table means something to the fringe in the proverbial sense.

Many people misinterpreted Trump on both sides. Just like always. And Duke will do anything for attention

In regards to Bannon, you are somewhat right about that. I doubt Trump had much, if any, choice in choosing Bannon (since these last 7 months have shown that he does nothing and just delegates power like a figurehead), which is unfortunate because he should drop him (and hopefully Kelly pushes him out)

Exactly.
With or without "real control" why would anyone with half-a-brain insert an individual with alt-right views (Bannon) into your administration ?
It's absolutely ludicrous !

The next time Democrats regain the trifecta, they should go on an all-out assault on the white nationalist movement and their enablers, violent and non-violent alike.  

Seconded

I abhor neo-Nazis and am defending absolutely nobody -- but perhaps your post, in turn, exemplifies that your reading capabilities are just as poor as your understanding of Dutch politics? Would be a rather sad conclusion...

Well, they will soon be in power.

Okay Saint, just check out this article by 538 (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dissecting-trumps-most-rabid-online-following/), and realize that the subreddit r/the_Donald is just a few degrees of separation from other subreddits named r/fatpeoplehate, r/coontown, and r/kiketown. The self-denial is out of control dude.

I'm talking about connections, direct, to trump, not some stupid reddit page.

Absolutely not, on the last part.   The Bill of Rights applies to everyone in this country, even those who might seem to not "deserve" it.  Trying to pick and choose who the rights applies to makes them worthless.

I mean, ok, but you're literally drawing an equivalency between a group of violent openly racist and antisemitic neo-Nazis, and the people who showed up to disagree with their racist and antisemitic beliefs .

And your justification for this is ... a small number of the people who showed up in that second group may have a political opposition to the current government of Israel, even though they love Jews enough to literally come die for the idea that they are not evil globalist scumcucks.

Do you really stand by your posts that these two groups (one of which wants you dead and the other of which will die for you) are equally bad?

Both want me dead and none will die for me. I absolutely think both are equally bad and also think those on the left are more dangerous than those on the right (but only due to the fact that they are politically stronger).

Those images hurt Sanchez's eyes. Stop posting the truth for the world to see.

The Charlottesville PD sound pretty awesome compared to most police. I'm reading reports that they actually joined up with antifa in beating up Nazis.

Somehow I can't see you taking this BS line of both sides are equally at fault the next time something happens in the Middle East.

DSA are soon going in power? Uh, what?

I'm not sure why you're asking David this. He is not Jewish. Report and infract if you'd like.

In 2020 some left-wing Dem will win the presidency.

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Sad news.  It's innapropriate.

They're not going to boycott Israel and I sincerely doubt a member of DSA will become President anytime soon

Especially if Pubs once again nominate Mr. Neo-Nazi-loving trump in 2020.

I just ... don't understand how you can honestly believe that.

No Democratic politician is affiliated with DSA.

At this point its attention seeking. He believes the American left-wing want him dead. That's all folks!

So...American leftists want Bernie Sanders dead?

Dude, you're twisting yourself into knots because you aren't even willing to unequivocally criticize literal NAZIS.

Your ancestors would be ashamed of you.

If he was a proud, open Jew they would.

He's not?

Let me try to add original commentary.

Essentially Trump failed today.

His “many sides” quote was a dog whistle to the alt right and white nationalists. They knew he had to condemn them; they also wanted him to condemn their enemies. So Trump delivered. Note he hasn't commented on the car attack yet. That's deliberate. A fifth of his vote or more came from people who voted on a cultural / racial basis. He's beholden to them because the rest of the country dislikes him. There's a reason Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) called him out on it in Twitter. Notice Rubio, Portman, and others specifically used the terms “white nationalism” or a variation on this.

Doubt these people were Trump voters? Look up “blood and soil“ and ask who they voted for. Look up the pictures of those with MAGA hats and who cheered on Trump. There's a wealth of data for anyone willing to look at it. No the DSA is nowhere as powerful, lol. The Left has been underpowered here but we're not playing that game. This rally wasn't about reparations, wasn't about any of that. It was a white power rally that was intended to signal as such. That's very specifically what the President didn't want to single out and talk about.

In realignment terms however this isn't a good day for the GOP. They needed to denounce this in a much stronger voice and be a lot less unequivocal about who was to blame. They probably pushed some minorities and white voters further away from the GOP and toward the Democratic Party. As I've long noted 90% of the voting Republican coalition is white while 55% of the Democratic coalition is. The GOP's long reliance on the Southern Strategy is coming home to roost. (And has in a way since 2000)

Yes I am, and I have?

This.

Source.

You sincerely think that people don't know Bernie Sanders, from Brooklyn, who frequently cites his identity, is Jewish? Are you kidding me?

Wow, in just one photo, this picture captured everything trump is defending.
Looking at the image from left to right, you have a white-nationalist holding a Confederate flag, a KKK member in his red clown suit and a fascist doing the "Sieg Heil" Hitler salute.
I'm ready to vomit.

PS: What does the white star flag represent ? The one the KKK clown is holding ?

Seeing as how Minneapolis is an extremely leftist city, and Al Franken is a "proud, open Jew" (http://dailytrojan.com/2013/04/03/franken-discusses-his-faith), then logic would stand that most in Minneapolis would want him dead...which is pretty weird with how they vote for him.

The police are doing an amazing job.

This is exactly what I feared is gonna happen as a result.

far-leftie commits terror attack, far-right gets outraged and emboldened.

far-righty commits terror attack, far-left gets outraged and emboldened.

far-leftie commits terror attack, far-right gets outraged and emboldened.

far-righty commits terror attack, far-left gets outraged and emboldened.

rinse and repeat until a lot of people are dead, injured, and have had their basic human rights violated.

He's everything but a proud Jew, though -- every proud Jew is a Zionist. Sanders is as proud a Jew as Ana "Young Turk" Kasparian is a proud Armenian. I'm not exactly the only Jew viewing it this way.

Then the majority of American Jews are not "proud Jews", since just about all I've met don't really care at all either way about Zionism or Israel.

You clearly don't know many.

It's the "Bonnie Blue" flag, which some Confederate states flew in 1861 before they organized a national government with a flag.

It looks like Trump is going to have to do more saber rattling at North Korea & Co. if he's hoping to bring his poll numbers back up after this.....  :P

This will have approximately 0 effect on National polling.  I hadnt even heard of it til i got on here.

...really? You're going to go there?

Hardly comparable.