Talk Elections

Forum Community => Forum Community => Topic started by: Democratic Hawk on August 30, 2005, 07:22:50 AM



Title: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 30, 2005, 07:22:50 AM
Mine is:

 Pitmatic

Pitmatic is a dialect of English used in the counties of  Northumberland and Durham. It developed as a separate dialect from  Northumbrian and Geordie due to the specialised terms mineworkers used. An example of this is the word "Cuddy". In Northumberland and  Tyne and Wear this term is an abbreviation of the name  Cuthbert, but in Durham Pitmatic, as in Lowland  Scots, it denotes a horse, specifically a pit pony.

Traditionally, Pitmatic, together with some rural Northumbrian communities incuding  Rothbury, used a distinctive soft rolled R produced at the very back of the throat. Since the closure of the areas deep mines, and the subsequent dilution of the areas identity, this usage is now less frequently heard, with many young people speaking in a more generic " Geordie-like" way. However, it can still sometimes be detected, especially amongst elderly populations in more rural areas.

While in theory Pitmatic applies to the whole Great Northern Coalfield, from  Ashington in Northumberland to  Trimdon in County Durham, early references apply specifically to Durham

Dave


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Peter on August 30, 2005, 08:25:55 AM
Where do I find a list of English dialects please?


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 30, 2005, 08:40:02 AM
Where do I find a list of English dialects please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

It offers descriptions of some dialects but not others

Dave


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Democratic Hawk on August 30, 2005, 08:43:29 AM
For American English, check out:

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1906/dialects.html

Dave


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Blerpiez on August 30, 2005, 09:10:49 AM
According to Wikipedia:

Western New England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_New_England_dialect)

I seem to be on the eastern edge of this:  I use frappe and milkshake interchangebly, but I pronounce r's at the end of words and can make distinctions between caught and cot.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: 7,052,770 on August 30, 2005, 10:26:50 AM
Southern American English, but it's not as bad as that article says ;)

But seriously, yall don't say hot water heater?


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2005, 10:32:27 AM
No, they say water cooler. :)


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: ilikeverin on August 30, 2005, 10:39:46 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English#Regional_differences

Why would you not call a hot water heater a hot water heater? :?

I speak a combination of Inland North, North Midland, and and North Central American English


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: True Democrat on August 30, 2005, 11:03:40 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh-area_English

I don't really speak this, but it can get pretty damn annoying.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on August 30, 2005, 11:34:25 AM
Ottawa Valley Twang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Valley_Twang)


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Jake on August 30, 2005, 11:52:56 AM
I'm a mix of Southern American English and Delaware Valley English, with a touch of Baltimorese from time to time.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Cashcow on August 30, 2005, 12:23:23 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_English#Inland_North


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: afleitch on August 30, 2005, 12:29:54 PM
Middle Class Scottish :)

In other words, the middle class Scottish accent called the 'Kelvinside twang' in Glasgow and 'Morningside' in Edinburgh.

Speakers of note: The late John Smith
                             George Galloway etc

There was a habit of pronouncing 'a' as 'e' so that both 'merry and 'marry' sound the same. If it is spoken with the use of Scots words it can sound a bit odd like this;

'Ehm eff tae merry Berry this mernin'

I'm going to marry Barry this morning.

'Och away an run ye glaiket lih-kinn wee baern or ehl have yer mammy telt.'

Get away from me you 'glaiket' (sullen) looking little kid or i'll tell your mother.

Nowadays we pronouce these words with harder vowels as the Scottish custom.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 30, 2005, 02:23:33 PM
Pure Delaware Valley English


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Beefalow and the Consumer on August 30, 2005, 02:56:14 PM
General American with twinges of Northern Cities (Chicago-Detroit) and North-Central (U.P.-Wisconsin-Minnesota-North Dakota).

My parents both grew up in the military, living on bases for most of their childhood.  My dad was born in Austria, then moved to the UK, France, Italy, and Germany until finally moving to the D.C. suburbs when he was 16.  My mom lived in Connecticut and Pennslyvania before moving to the D.C. suburbs at age 17.

My parents met at the University of Maryland, and I was raised in the D.C. suburbs, exposed to accents of people from around the country, until we moved to Wisconsin when I was nearly 13.

As a result I have an "everywhere" accent, and I tend to assimilate the accents of whomever I'm speaking to.  I can put on a convincing southern American, Canadian, Californian, Yooper, and Scouse (but then only because I've seen every episode of Red Dwarf).


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: AkSaber on August 30, 2005, 04:10:20 PM
That Wikipedia article had every state but Alaska. >:(

Alaska
Developed out of the Northern, Midland, and Western dialects. Also influenced by the native languages of the Alutes, Innuit, and Chinook Jargon. Some words that originated here are: bush (remote area), cabin fever, mush (to travel by dog sled), parka, stateside.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2005, 04:16:55 PM
That Wikipedia article had every state but Alaska. >:(

Alaska
Developed out of the Northern, Midland, and Western dialects. Also influenced by the native languages of the Alutes, Innuit, and Chinook Jargon. Some words that originated here are: bush (remote area), cabin fever, mush (to travel by dog sled), parka, stateside.
Bush (remote area) - I'm pretty sure the Australians had that one before you guys.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: AkSaber on August 30, 2005, 04:34:31 PM
That Wikipedia article had every state but Alaska. >:(

Alaska
Developed out of the Northern, Midland, and Western dialects. Also influenced by the native languages of the Alutes, Innuit, and Chinook Jargon. Some words that originated here are: bush (remote area), cabin fever, mush (to travel by dog sled), parka, stateside.
Bush (remote area) - I'm pretty sure the Australians had that one before you guys.

Really? Wow.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Hitchabrut on August 30, 2005, 05:05:56 PM
Mine - Eastern Midland
My area - New York, but Hudson Valley or Philadelphia-ish in 1970


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Hitchabrut on August 30, 2005, 05:07:45 PM
Oh boy...

The New Jersey accent

Generally, the so-called Jersey accent or North Jersey accent spoken in northern New Jersey is somewhat closer to General American than the speech of New Yorkers, but still shares enough features with it that two can be considered together as a single dialect group for sociolinguistic purposes. Most colloquial greetings and expressions used in New York are also said by New Jerseyans and with the same frequency. However, aside from the areas immediately closest to New York, north Jersey speech is free of certain New York City features which are heavily stigmatized: the Jersey accent is usually rhotic and ć-tensing is less pronounced than in New York.

This accent is found in the northeast quarter of New Jersey, and is basically the part of the state which is in New York City's metropolitan area but not the dialect region. It includes cities such as Rutherford and Rahway.

Contrary to popular belief, no one in any part of New Jersey ever refers to their state as Joisey. This word is, in fact, a mistaken attempt by non-New Jersey residents to speak with a Jersey accent.

And in Western Monmouth County because everyone here is from Brooklyn, Staten Island, and Long Island.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 30, 2005, 07:35:18 PM
For American English, check out:

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1906/dialects.html

Dave

That list is... less than complete.  Almost annoyingly so.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: 12th Doctor on August 30, 2005, 07:45:42 PM
The dialect in my area is mostly Pittsburghese, but is also influenced somewhat more by Appalachian than is pure Pittsburghese.  For instance "coulda", "woulda" and "shoulda" are common as are many of the Appalachian constructs, like "He ain't done nothin'".  However, many for the words favored in Appalichian dialect like polecat, poke and blinked are not used.

We do use many of the Pittsburghese words and pronunciations, but again, cetain setups and words are not favored against their Standard English counter parts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_English

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh-area_English


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Gabu on August 30, 2005, 07:58:04 PM
There doesn't appear to be any dialect specific to my region, so I'll go with Canadian English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_English).


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: © tweed on August 30, 2005, 08:03:49 PM
Everyone I meet from different parts of the country say I have an accent, but I don't notice it.  I don't have a thick accent, but I guess it's a Long Island/NYC 'dialect'.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: nini2287 on August 30, 2005, 08:04:40 PM

^^^^^^^^^^


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: J. J. on August 30, 2005, 08:24:09 PM
Mine is a combination.  I have a "North Pittsurgh" Accent, which is somewhat similar to the late John Hienz.  I still will say "mere" to refer to a reflective surface made of glass.  I still have it.  It's a slight variation on Pittsburgh English. Since living in Phila, I've developed a thin Phila accent.  For example, "order" becomes "ordah."

Further, my vocabulary generally includes a lot of AAVE.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on August 30, 2005, 09:11:30 PM
North Central American English


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: ilikeverin on August 30, 2005, 09:46:09 PM
For American English, check out:

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/1906/dialects.html

Dave

That list is... less than complete. Almost annoyingly so.

Oui.  'Minnewegian' (as they call it) is given a passing reference, and it deserves much more.

Oddly enough, one of my Michigander aunts (actually, all my aunts are Michiganders, but whatever) told my mom that sometimes I hard to understand because I sounded so Minnesotan, which freaked me out to no end.  At least I do not commit the cardinal sin of ending sentences with 'with' (excepting, of course, sentences in which I explain ending sentences with 'with' ;)).


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Erc on August 31, 2005, 02:10:14 AM
In my area:

New York-New Jersey.


Me, personally:

Due to the ridiculous amount I moved around as a child, my own dialect is very...muttish.

Moved to England at the age of 2, went to British schools...so I picked up and English accent very quickly.  No idea how to actually characterize it (I know I have a few recordings of myself *someplace,* although I might need a PAL VCR to play them), but it's likely to be rather close to BBC English due to the backgrounds of the Brits at the schools I went to.  Although probably less haughty-sounding.

Then I moved to Singapore and went to an American school--so you've got people from all over the country there.  I lost my English accent quickly--and due to the polyglot nature of the accents there, probably adopted something reasonably close to SAE.

California probably didn't have much of a lasting impact.

Then I moved back to New York--which has affected my accent somewhat (the caught-cot distinction, for one)--but it's a very mild one in my estimation.

So, yeah, my accent is weird.  A mild New York variation on SAE, with the occasional British influence.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 31, 2005, 02:22:47 AM
Does anyone else use "bring/brang/brung"?


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Platypus on August 31, 2005, 02:35:21 AM
Australian, right on the boundary of general and cultivated.


(I'll bring it; he brought it; I brung it for me, even though i know the last is incorrect)


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Alcon on August 31, 2005, 03:01:48 AM
The Pacific Northwest probably has the least significant dialect of any region.  It is, along with parts of Ohio, I believe, considered the most typical American accent.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Gabu on August 31, 2005, 03:02:44 AM
The Pacific Northwest probably has the least significant dialect of any region.  It is, along with parts of Ohio, I believe, considered the most typical American accent.

Wait, so I have an American accent? :O


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Platypus on August 31, 2005, 03:19:50 AM
pac. northwest is the most advanced and interrnationally understandable accent in the US, yes. Although California, due tp movies and TV, has long been pushing that.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Peter on August 31, 2005, 05:24:47 AM
My dialect used to be a cross between Received Pronounciation and Estuary English. My 2 years at Oxford have pushed it firmly towards RP.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Platypus on August 31, 2005, 06:08:20 AM
Well, the triangle is generally pretty similar, though; isn't it?


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Beefalow and the Consumer on August 31, 2005, 10:46:31 AM
The Pacific Northwest probably has the least significant dialect of any region.  It is, along with parts of Ohio, I believe, considered the most typical American accent.

My accent is probably very close to that, but I still make the old cot/caught distinction, and most folks in the northwest do not.

I could go into broadcasting and probably not have to modify my pronunciations at all.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: ilikeverin on August 31, 2005, 10:56:26 AM
I'm still confused that there are places were cot and caught have the same vowel sound :P


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Beefalow and the Consumer on August 31, 2005, 11:05:45 AM
I'm still confused that there are places were cot and caught have the same vowel sound :P

All of New England and Canada.

A narrow band starting central Penn. and gradually widening as it goes west into Illinois, Missouri, and Iowa.

Basically everything west of the Great Plains.

The bastions of ah/aw preservation are the Mid Atlantic (where I'm from), the northern Midwest (where I'm also from), and the South (where I'm sort of from).


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: ilikeverin on August 31, 2005, 11:45:18 AM
Hmm, I don't quite pronounce caught as 'cawt', it's between 'caht' and 'cawt'.  That's what I got for my parents being from Detroit, me being from Fort Wayne (NE Indiana), and being since age 4 in Minnesota.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: ?????????? on August 31, 2005, 12:05:33 PM
Does anyone else use "bring/brang/brung"?

Yes, a lot of people here do, including myself. :)

As for the question, I guess coastal southern though every southern state has their own individual accent.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Beefalow and the Consumer on August 31, 2005, 05:08:41 PM
Hmm, I don't quite pronounce caught as 'cawt', it's between 'caht' and 'cawt'.  That's what I got for my parents being from Detroit, me being from Fort Wayne (NE Indiana), and being since age 4 in Minnesota.

In Detroit they pronounce "cot" almost like "cat," and "caught" as "cot."

Go across the bridge to Windsor, ON, and they pronounce "stack" the way Detroit people say "stock."


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Vincent on August 31, 2005, 05:31:37 PM
Southwestern, I guess.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 02, 2005, 05:26:37 PM
A mix of Pitmatic (especially that soft "r" sound), South Welsh English (Gwent rather than Glamorgan), North Welsh English (Merioneth. This one doesn't show up all that much... except on a few words), Black Country, Marches (this dialect wasn't listed...), Northants (doesn't show up much. Oh and that's old Northants; before all them outsiders turned up and ruined everything) and Yorkshire (West Riding).
Probably somethings I've missed out too

People can't quite place me :)


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: © tweed on September 02, 2005, 05:32:42 PM
A mix of Pitmatic (especially that soft "r" sound), South Welsh English (Gwent rather than Glamorgan), North Welsh English (Merioneth. This one doesn't show up all that much... except on a few words), Black Country, Marches (this dialect wasn't listed...), Northants (doesn't show up much. Oh and that's old Northants; before all them outsiders turned up and ruined everything) and Yorkshire (West Riding).
Probably somethings I've missed out too

People can't quite place me :)

I thought you spoke some dialect called "Mackem"???


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Max Power on September 02, 2005, 05:40:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh-area_English

I don't really speak this, but it can get pretty damn annoying.
I agree. Plus, those who speak it are generally a little on the slow side. One thing that really annoys me are people who say "ain't" is proper English because it's in a dictionary. ::) :( >:(


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: patrick1 on September 02, 2005, 05:50:37 PM
I speak a watered down New York accent.  A thick New York accent comes out occasionally usually when I am in an argument or yelling at the short comings of the local sports teams.   My Dad speaks just llike Archie Bunker- a dwindling working class white dialect. 


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: bgwah on September 02, 2005, 06:02:48 PM
General American with any differences the Northwest may have. Other than city names (a few of which outsiders can't pronounce like Puyallup) and a FEW words (Tolo, for example) that have stuck around, I honestly don't know of anything unique up here. We supposedly talk slow like some Southerners do, I've heard that from Californians. Other than that...Hmm, we all say grocery store. The Market refers to Pike Place Market. But yeah, the Northwest is a top spot for foreign exchange students because we're the easiest to understand and probably speak the most proper English of all Americans. I also think we emphasize the R quite a bit. ERRRR!


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: © tweed on September 02, 2005, 06:40:01 PM
I speak a watered down New York accent.  A thick New York accent comes out occasionally usually when I am in an argument or yelling at the short comings of the local sorts teams.

That fairly aptly describes me.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: dazzleman on September 02, 2005, 06:52:06 PM
Western New England/Hudson Valley combination


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: © tweed on September 02, 2005, 06:57:43 PM
Western New England/Hudson Valley combination

Aren't you originally from NY?


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: dazzleman on September 02, 2005, 07:06:32 PM

Yes, but not from the city.  I'm from Westchester, and native Westchesterites speak more like lower Hudson Valley people than people from New York City.

Where I lived, the speech patterns were always a mix of those who had moved from the city, who had either heavy or watered-down New York accents, and those who originated in Westchester, who did not speak with a New York accent.

The Hudson Valley sweeps over to Western New England north of New York city, so those from that area generally speak with a combination of the two dialects.


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Frodo on September 02, 2005, 07:34:11 PM
I lived most of my formative years overseas in East Asia, so I never developed a regional accent (despite the fact I was born here).  My father was raised in SE Pennsylvania, and my mother was born in southern Japan -so probably that international mixture contributes to the fact why I don't have a regional accent, given the parental influence.

I speak the standard American English -presumably general Northern/American, since it probably comes closest.   


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Platypus on September 03, 2005, 04:34:21 AM
This is rather odd from an Australia perspective. Australia was generally colonized all at the same time, and by the dsame people, so we have very very few regional distictions-western australians and south australians do have a bit of an accent, but you can generally only pick it up on a few words-the South Australians tend to pronounce consonants more sharply. The main variatons come from class. Australia is a generally classless society, much moreso then the UK or America, but we do have some class distinctions, and thats where regional accents generally form. The bush is generally working-calls, as is Queensland, and so in those areas you are more likely to find the "Broad" Asutralian accent; the extreme of which is the Okker accent, as spoken by Steve Irwin and Crocodile Dundee. Then, there is Cultivated Australian, very similar to the Australian ear to Triangle English/RP/Estuary/basically middle-upper to upper-class British, but not to the British :D. It is now spoken by less then 10% of the population, most of them in Sydney's North shore or in some parts of Perth, Adelaide and Melbourne. Malcolm and Tammy Fraser are perfect examples of this accent. In the middle is Generic/general Australian, spoken by about half the population at Federation and about three quarters now. It's common throughout Melbourne and Sydney, other major cities, rural Victoria and South Australia, and Tasmania.

That's just commentary on anglo-celtic people. Australia has a LOT of immigrants, so there are also obviously many accents from those cultures and from their offspring. The western suburbs of Sydney, especially, have a lot of people who speak Generic Australian to skips, but with their mates they'll tak in an accent that is a mix of many, many ethnic accents, as well as the Aussie one, that is often indecipherble to older Anglo-Celtic Australians or people who haven't grown up wuith it their wole lives. I can understand it, but my Aunty who speaks with a mild Cultivated accent and lives in a leafy Eastern Suburb that voted for the Coalition 2-1 has never been exposed to it really, and can't understand it at all. I think that's the purpose of it :D


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on September 03, 2005, 04:54:20 AM
I thought you spoke some dialect called "Mackem"???

Mackem and Pitmatic are *basically* the same :)


Title: Re: What's your local dialect?
Post by: Ronald Reagan on September 03, 2005, 09:18:09 AM
My area is Pennsylvania Dutchified English.  I don't think I really speak it.