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alcohol possesion on school property.  5 days suspension, probably more.

I need your help, guys.  I'm f'd up.

Serves you right, you rich hater.

No smart, not smart at all.

And 5 days?  More like expulsion (at least where I come from).

If I were you, I would be formulating a kick ass story for having the alcohol in your possession.

Why the Hell would you bring alcohol to school?  Unless you're in college, this is pretty damn serious. 

And, if you're underage, it's possible for a criminal charge as well.  "F'ed up" is right.

Maybe you should consider medical help.

Boss Tweed, do you think you're developing a problem with alcohol?

Honestly, I think you've been looking to get into trouble because you are seeking the attention of somebody, most likely your dad, or maybe both your parents.

Maybe you can talk to a counselor about the issue.

One question - why?

Whatever f'ed up reason it is, be honest with your parents and ask them for help - whether it be alcoholism (aa, ala-teen), or a tendency to follow the crowd (psychologist - make sure it's a licenced one), or something else - and get help.

The consequences get steadily worse as you get older (bringing booze to work tends to be a firable offence, and DUI's are taken very seriously), so it's best to deal with whatever the problem is now and get some sort of help for this while you still have a good support network.

Try to pass it off on someone else. Lying like a sonofabitch is the only decent way out of this one and if you have a decent school record, it might lessen the penalty a bit.

Sorry to hear about that, man. I hope all turns out ok for you.

As many of the others have said, I would say that seeking help from the school counselor or some other figure that you trust is the best way to go.

Nobody can help you but yourself, and how can you be stupid enough to even bring that to school?

He's not stupid.  I think that he wanted to get caught.

Wow, this is pretty f.ucking stupid of you, Tweed.  Congrats.

I guess I'll be the sympathetic voice, since people are too busy being jerks (excluding Daz).  I feel for you Tweed; I'm sorry that you got caught.  Good luck.

Nym90 isn't being a jerk either, ian.

Tweed needs to talk to somebody about what is bothering him.  He's been courting trouble on this issue for a long time, pushing the envelope further and further.  Most kids seek trouble in one way or another; I know I did.  So it's not that hard to understand.  Depending on how he and his parents handle it, this whole incident can be a normal part of growing pains, or it can be a harbinger of future problems.  Hopefully the former.

Sounds like all my friends.  I try to stop them, it just doesn't work.

Jake, you're not drinking yet, are you?

Nope, but a couple friends got busted and were able to lie themselves down to a five day suspension for possession earlier this year.

I never brought alcohol to school, though I was a regular drinker my last 2 years of high school.  I drank on weekends, and sometimes after school (especially, for some reason, if I had to stay after).

What lie did they tell to get a 5-day suspension?  What would they have faced if they hadn't lied?

wow that was stupid,  well hopefully hopefully you don't get in too much trouble. 

I hope he gets into enough trouble so that the issues that are bothering him get the attention they need, both from him as well as from his parents.

Not smart Tweed.  Even I knew to keep it off college classrooms.  Hell, I only went to class hungover a few times and I was much older.  My HS, you would have been thrown out in a heartbeat.  What type of school is it anyway?

Gee, that's dumb.

There are sometimes reasons for bringing such things to school. I once brought a pocketknife with me to a Cub Scout meeting at an elementary school. It wasn't during school hours, though, and my rationale was wanting to learn how to use it to get the appropriate Chit. (That was a long time ago). No trouble, just got teased by some of the other scouts.

Alcohol, though? Presuming you mean the kind you drink (and not rubbing), why the hell would you bring it to school? I can see better justification for bringing a sword (fencing practice :P).

Still, sometimes schools crack down on the wrong thing - it's as if the threat of international terrorism inspired laws banning air travel. That's how it is with weapons (UMBC bans anything but kitchen knives from the campus, save for fencing swords that are kept under lock and key. At high school, even a butter knife would get you in trouble...).

If you are trying to get yourself into even more trouble than you already are for the sheer thrill of it, you should also try selling marijuana on school grounds.  It will make your current punishment a mere slap-on-the-wrists in comparison. 

I know I was being a bit of an asshole earlier, but you deserved that bit of realism.

Anyway, my suggestion is to listen to dazzleman. 

You don't want to become like the girl I knew in college who filled up her Gatorade bottle with vodka when she attended voice classes.

Are you speaking from experience?

I used to love getting in trouble, but only for minor stuff.  I still haven't totally outgrown it.

What the hell were you doing bringing alcohol to school anyway?

I agree with Dazzleman.  If you are bringing alcohol to school, something's up.  Either you're addicted or it's making you make really stupid choices, or both.  Good luck finding help, either way.

That sucks Tweed. Kids at my school only get like 2 days of in school suspension for that but my school lacks true discipline policies which I suppose is why were are facing some "gang" problems now.

Suspended five days, I assume this means you get zeroes for all the work you miss, you have to explain this on college applications. You've been punished. It's not a federal case.

What district do you live in, Andrew?

If it was to take to a party or something, it's not too bad, but if you were planning on drinking it whilst at school, there's probably a problem.

When I was in year 11 one of the year 12s sometimes had a beer when he was out the back smoking with us. He was 18 (legal age), but still, it wasn't a good image.

how is tweed getting alcohol?  is someone buying it for him, or is he sneaking it from his parents?

Tweed, my respect for you just shot up way up. You are a true Freedom Fighter.

Best of luck.

WTF?  How does bringing alcohol on school premises make you a freedom fighter?  What's your personal philosophy, that people should face life wasted all the time?

What Tweed did was stupid and wrong, not something to be encouraged.

What kind of alcohol?

When I ws in 8th grade, it was the dya before the Christmas Vacations started, so this friend of mine brought a bottle of whisky to school that his parents had given him to give to one of the school bus drivers. (I wasn't there that day, I was just informed later.)
Of course, he and some of his friends took it, went to an empty classroom and drank a third of the bottle. It produced two girls walking around the school behaving like lunatics and I guess the guys got a bit less drunk.
At any rate, they all got one day cleaning tables at the cafeteria, except one that was expeled, but that was for other reasons.

Haha, this doesn't matter at all.  At most it will make a story to tell later in life when you realize it doesn't matter.  More likely you won't even remember high school - I only remember a little.

Not good, not good at all. If you think you need help, don't think about it, just get it.

To answer some questions...

I had about 20oz of vodka on me and I was intoxication.  The formal charges are "possession of an illegal substance on school grounds" and "intoxication on school grounds".

The suspension is 5 days, plus a superintendant's hearing on Friday to decide if the suspension should be longer.  (But I doubt it will be extended, as I have no prior record.)

Well, this is just plain f'ing stupid.  20 ounces?????  Dude, what the f are you doing with 20 shots of vodka at school?  If it was all for you, your problems are greater than whatever the school will do to you.

Are you Irish? That could be a really good excuse you may be able to use.

People feel bad about getting caught all the time, but posting it on an internet forum is a sign that it's not just one's every day normal guilt.

Bad Boss Tweed no alcohol for you

Ditto.

Rin-chan

What al and rin-chan said

But  why did you do it? 

If you can't answer that question, even to yourself, you  would be well advised to seek the help of a professional therapist; or at least  talk with a  counsilor and do some serious introspection.

Bringing alcohol to school is a sign of a serious lapse in judgement.  Having been caught may not have been a  whole lot  of fun, but if  you take a serious look at your life, seek help to  correct whatever problems you are facing, and get  your (stuff) together, it may be for the best.

Lying or making up  excuses, like a few have said, won't help anything.   If you get caught, your punishment will  be worse.  If you don't get caught, then you may not get the help you need to  remedy this self-destructive behavior.

What has been your parents' reaction so far?

I was gonna say that.  I can understand a little alchie in the park or a playground every once in a while on a weekend hell I know I did it.  In school or even on a school night is completely bonheaded and stupid.  I wish Tweed gets punished even further for his own good.

This is pretty surprising to me, as I always thought of Tweed as someone who was acutely aware of what was in his own best interests.

If this is true, I hope you get help.

I really don't see why someone "needs help" just for bringing alcohol to school. Yeah, it was dumb, but it's not like he hurt anyone.

I won't lecture you, but I am disappointed.  Even if you do not have a drinking problem, I recommend you requesting counselling support.  

Frankly, I don't think 5 days suspension is much of a punishment.  How his parents handle it is much more important than what the school does.

I agree that Tweed doesn't really want to take his punishment over this; who would?  But I think that he knows he has some issues that need to be addressed, and part of the reason he did this was to get the adults in his life to address those issues.  I hope they do.

This is not a terrible crime he committed, so I don't think he needs to feel great guilt over this.  But he's on a destructive path of seeking out serious trouble, and I hope he gets the help he needs.

The cynic in me would almost think that Tweed is making this up.  After all, I think it was pretty clear his being drunk on the Forum was fake.

It's not so much the action, but the reason for why it was done.  Rational 15-year-olds concerned about their well-being don't knowingly carry a 20 oz bottle of vodka to high school.  There are numerous reasons for why someone might do this, and considering the fact that it's quite easy to just wait until school gets out, none of the reasons are particularly good news.

True.  Deliberately seeking out serious trouble for no logical reason could be a cry for attention of some sort.

Of course, Alcon could also be right.

I wish you luck in solving whatever problems you are currently facing.

Boss,

You'll live and learn lad :), live and learn

Dave

Yes. He's a teenage guy. He likes to have fun. Dumb but something of the sort was bound to happen.


It's called adolescence. You grow out of it.

Obviously not a big one as he's still on the internet. ::)

Basically.
Although I don't think I ever brought alcohol into the school on an ordinary school day. (Ah, but I remember the one time when we'd been out partying all night, hadn't had any sleep, and Dennis and me got stoned half an hour before school began. Of course, I was a tad older than Tweed is now, I think. Must have been 17 at the time.)

I hope they increase your punishment, rich hater.

My mother and grandparents are upset, naturally.  My dad doesn't know yet, although when he does find out it's unlikely he has much of a reaction.

Honestly you ought to have the tar beat out of you by your dad. That's what I'd recommend.

That's unlikely at this point, for a handful of reasons

a) I have about four inches on him, I could take him in a second
b) he wouldn't be all that upset

There are other reasons, but I won't post them of course.

And also, we don't really beat children up north.  at least it isn't commonplace.

If you were my son, I'd double your allowance!

If he was your son, child welfare would have taken him away long, long ago.

With your income level, I'm sure he'd appreciate the extra cent.

I don't have an allowance.  But if I ask for money I invariably will get it; although I hardly ever ask.  It's a simple situation, actually.

Tweed, you made a bad decision or more precisely did not think out your actions.  You have to be careful because bad decisions tend to lead into bigger mistakes.  Most jailbirds didn't start out with the big crimes.  You commited a minor indiscretion; just be careful and think a couple of moves ahead next time.  You should also know that early social drinking can devolve into a problem several years down the line.  Drinking is fun because it frees you of your inhibitions and temporarily takes away your problems.  However, the inhibitions and problems tend to multiply the next day.  I'll stop blabbing now- If you need anything, ask. 

Btw, Lets Go Mets. David Wright's defense made me want to drink that 20 ounces of vodka:)

Tweed was this like a school dance or the prom or something, or just a random school day? I can understand to some extent if it was a prom or something, its still a really stupid decision to make, but a regular school day? That's called being an Alcoholic.

Yes, becuse it's impossible to beat someone taller than you.
It's totally unheard of.

I think that's the whole problem -- that your dad is disengaged, and you're looking for his attention.

Can somebody speak to him and tell him what he needs to do?

you have a lot to learn.

Look, I'm fine with my father being "disengaged."  That's not a problem.

Right there is screaming that it is a problem. I don't know whether to be concerned about your father seemingly not caring or you not wanting anything to do with your father. I know if I had done something showing such a lack of judgement that you did I damn sure wouldn't be logged on to an internet forum and I wouldn't have access to the outside world for a LONG time.

Oh, I still see him now and then.  We go to ball games together and lunch on Saturdays and so on.  But my relationship with him more like an uncle than it is a father-son relationship.  Honestly, that doesn't bother me.

And I don't see how internet access has anything to do with anything.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I agree with states on  this comment.

(somebody check the weather report for hades please.  I think they may be experiencing a blizzard) :P

'The sun shines on a dogs ass every once in a while'

Some people aren't close to their fathers, and that's fine; I'm not going to judge that relationship, it's not my place to do so anyway. It's not like my dad and I hug every time he comes home from work, either.

That said, do you have any males in your life besides your dad, whatever their age, that don't drink at parties and stuff?

Often the best friend you can have is the most boring friend you have, and it's important to have that voice there. If every other bloke in your life who is important to you, excluding your father, so basically, if all your friends are into partying, drinking, etc.; it might be a good idea to broaden your circle of friends. Don't drop your friends unless they are real idiots, that wouldn't make the situation any better and would just make you feel a bit isolated, but try and hear different voices, if you know what i mean.

WRT your last comment, I think it proves how ineffectual your parents are, frankly.  When you get in big trouble, you should be denied the things that you like, and since you like internet access, your parents should deny it to you for a while as a form of punishment.

I hope things turn out OK for you Boss Tweed.

I'm sorry to hear this is so serious.  Wow.  I didn't even realize it would be such a big deal.  It should be either!  It is criminal that something as trivial as this could influence one's future so much.  I hope you don't get nailed too hard. :(

WTF??? ???

I agree with Richius. This is a stupid teenage act, and I hope it doesn't affect him in 10 years after university when he's applying for a job.

At that point I'd just omit it from job applications if they asked and take a gamble that they don't check with my HS.  But I doubt they'd ask if you were ever suspended from public school when I'm 25.

I don't think it will hurt with job prospects in the future, nor should it.  Nobody is going to be interested in this once you get past high school.

Where it could hurt is if you actually develop a drinking problem.  It seems to me you're drinking for the wrong reasons, and I find that worrisome.  A lot more worrisome than the trouble you're in at school right now.

Doesn't seem likely.  I can go for weeks without drinking and be fine.  I just enjoy it when I do.

I hope you're right.  But you may not be.  I stand by what I said originally on this topic.

Listen guys, I think we should all ease up on the armchair parenting here.  We are all dealt a hand in life and you play those cards you are dealt.  I happened to have a no good drunk natural father who I haven't seen since I was 5 and a sproadically hormonally unbalanced mother.  You don't choose the family that you are born into and the consequences of that are out of your control.  I don't know Tweed enough to know his backstory but I do know that people need criticism of something  that is out of their hands like they need a hole in the head.   Tweed made a mistake and we should offer guidance and not pontificating. 

Figured I'd add this quote from another thread.  My problem is that certain adults are encouraging Tweed to do it again.  Now I'm not Dr. Phil, but guys I knew who brought alcohol into HS usually had other issues and the punishment was much more severe.  There is nothing wrong with a little kegger when the folks are on vacation or chillin' in the playground with a 40 hell I know I did both.  People in general should know to do this in moderation. 

I know I should.  I'm more sober than I was at 20-21.

Ok, I'll just give my input - it's not a big deal, considering your age, just don't make a habit of doing stupid sh*t like this. And seriously, it is stupid. Not the underage drinking, especially if you do it in moderation like you say you do, but the bringing it to school part. WTF were you thinking?

Guess it's not as dumb as the girls in my high school who passed around the peppermint schnapps under the lunch table where the teachers could see them.

Moderation?
Yes: people 21 or over.
No: people younger should not be drinking period. Except for exceptions.
(communion, for example)

If you don't agree with the law, fine, change it.
But until then what is is and what is not is not.

I didn't realize it was hard liquor.  But that doesn't change my belief that something as stupid as this should not affect your entire future career.

If he doesn't change his attitude soon he could have a serious problem, which would affect a lot more than just his career.

Unfortunately George and Laura are not exactly good role models, either.

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

Anyway, a stupid thing to do, but kids do stupid things at that age.  Regardless, the punishment here seems to be lacking.

Actually, I think it has something to do with something, but what do I know?

You are quite the partisan hack if you think underage drinking has anything to do with the President.  Hate to break this to you, but teenagers were drinking long before Bush was in office.

Well, the truth is that slightest criticism of George W, whom you seem to regard as some kind of god, drives you Republicans into an uncontrollable rage.

DUI and underage drinking occured long before Bush or his father were in office.

I criticize Bush when he deserves it.  But I don't even think jfern would have managed to blame Bush for this one.

Not only that, but DUI and underage drinking laws are state laws, not federal.  (Not to mention have been on the books since before Bush was even born.)

Sorry buddy, no excuse for something like this.

If you crave attention that badly to bring alcohol into school, just get drunk and walk on Main Street and be a public spectacle. It's easier.

F**k you

Duh, I know what I said. (obviously you didn't get my point)
So who blamed Bush for this one?

Underage drinking kicks ass. DUIs do not. Bush should be rightfully blamed for his DUI, but Tweed did nothing wrong.

Duh, you did.  You said that the president and his wife aren't good role models, I said that it has nothing to do with this, then you said you think it does.  By your reasoning, the character of the president and his wife contributed to the fact that Tweed decided to bring vodka to school.

You then proceeded to connect Bush to the drinking laws, which

A)  Have been in place long before any Bush became President and

B)  Are state laws, and hence not within his jurisdiction anyway

And this has to do with Tweed's drinking how?

Which brings me back to my initial post:  This has nothing to do with anything.

When did I say otherwise? Oh, that's right - I didn't, so maybe you shouldn't bring up irrelevant things.

And by the way, anyone with half a brain could see your implication that the president's character contributed to these things - if you don't want people to take that as your point, then learn how to make your point better. You've got only yourself to blame for the bad context of your statement.

Obviously not, but enough people thought like me on this to see an implication from you that Bush's character from 1976 is relevant to Tweed briging booze to school. I don't see anyone taking your side on this, so maybe you should just admit you made your point poorly.

Dood, you  tossed  out  a huge non-sequitur (Bush pretty much had nada to do with the subject), and have followed it up with a groundless Ad-Hominem.

Secondly,  hypocracy is very common and knows no  party bounds.  Bush worship is not overly different than the decades of Kennedy worship that the Democratic party has suffered from (and one of the auxillery reasons I was in the GOP until 2000)

Kemperor has  been commendably patient with you, and if  I may draw a parallel to the subject at hand, I suspect that you are also acting out in a desire for attention.   You got it, but at the expense of your credibility.   Is that really what you want?

Uhh, I hate to say you just offended about half the people on here myself included.  I've drank many times underage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_age

the USA has pretty much the highest drinking age

I think the age showed be lowered to 18.

19 is more sensible, that way there aren't any mixed drinker/nondrinker parties in high school.

LOL, you think a law is going to affect that?

I was thinking 18 b/c you can go to war at that age.





And buy porn.

:P

Didn't you start it?

Yes, for two reasons:

1) Legal or officially sanctioned parties (think the prom or something) would probably have alcohol for the 18-year-olds, which is unfair for the younger types
2) Those who are actually concerned about what the law states (e.g. me, other weirdoes) might go to parties with other people who are legally consuming alcohol at their age, and what would happen then?  I mean, parties with kids serving alcohol underage are obviously going to have underage drinking either way, but having some seniors who can drink legally and some seniors or members of other grades who can't would make stuff too fuzzy and unenforcable (even by the hosts themselves, if they want to enforce it)

Let's put it that way - you will have some people not drinking even if it's totally legal for everybody. The changes would be peripheral. (Of course I have to try and imagine a situation where alcohol is illegal for under 21 year olds, as the situation you are trying to imagine is the only one I have ever known. ;) )

100% wrong. You think high school seniors don't party with the kids who just graduated the year before?

...they're away at college, partying with college kids rather than high schoolers :P

Go back to middle school please.

Make it 15 or 16.

I don't think he cares if he offended anyone. He's standing up for what he clearly believes in. Resorting to "You offended nearly half the people here so you lose" is not a good argument for the drinking age argument.

So explain to me how that means you drink in moderation.

I drank many times underage also, but I am not offended by the comment.  the truth is the truth.

The school district extended the suspension for five more days.

Consider yourself lucky, couldve been much worse.

I think a ten-day suspension is too long, honestly, especially considering I have no prior record.

Perhaps, but again, it still couldve ended with your expulsion. Like Fezzy's area, schools tend to be awfully strict around here, and I mean REALLY strict when it comes to what they call a 'Level 5' offense, including alcohol on the premises.

Yeah, but from what both of you have said, you probably go to schools without black people.  They can't afford to expel someone around here for alcohol possession when they get 15+ people with marijuana/something stronger every year.

Again, my school mirrors Fezzy's. We only have 3 African-Americans, but we have a big big big drug problem. We had a record low 6 people caught this year.

Every school has a "bigbigbig" drug "problem."

Congratulations...

And what was your home punishment? If, not much, or not anything is the answer then that's just pathetic.

The question is if drugs are dealt on-campus or not. We didn't have that problem at my school, but of course people used pot, and a few people used some harder stuff. Nox was popular amongst the arty group for about a year. That said, with over 350 students in a year level, there is always going to be drug use.