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General Politics => Political Debate => Topic started by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:15:56 AM



Title: Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:15:56 AM
Just thought I would bring this out of the Cartoons thread at StatesRights request, it really was off topic there.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 11:17:06 AM
My wife saw the third movie yesterday. I really have little interest in that stuff but it seems ok.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:18:02 AM
My wife saw the third movie yesterday. I really have little interest in that stuff but it seems ok.

Better than the first two, children can't act still but Daniel Radcliffe is improving.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on June 12, 2004, 11:20:46 AM
The Books were WAY better then the movies. But that is how it always is. The kids did ok, could have done better. But hey they are kids.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:20:51 AM
My wife saw the third movie yesterday. I really have little interest in that stuff but it seems ok.

Better than the first two, children can't act still but Daniel Radcliffe is improving.

Actually I think Radcliffe is lagging the most behind, the other kids seem to be doing better.

Hmmmm, Malfoy is the worst, whoever the hell that boy is and I dislike Ron and Hermione intensely in it, they are really terrible in my opinion. Radcliffe isn't great but slightly better than the others in my opinion.

Maggie Smith was terrible in it surprisingly, she is an excellent actress but was appalling in that film.

I thought David Thewlis, Gary Oldman and Alan Rickman were rather good and Michael Gambon did well too.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:21:28 AM
The Books were WAY better then the movies. But that is how it always is. The kids did ok, could have done better. But hey they are kids.

They are all about 16, the one who plays Malfoy is almost 17 in fact.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on June 12, 2004, 11:25:53 AM
They did good for teens, kids what ever they are. I would like to see you in a movie acting :P


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 11:28:53 AM
My wife saw the third movie yesterday. I really have little interest in that stuff but it seems ok.

Better than the first two, children can't act still but Daniel Radcliffe is improving.

Actually I think Radcliffe is lagging the most behind, the other kids seem to be doing better.

Hmmmm, Malfoy is the worst, whoever the hell that boy is and I dislike Ron and Hermione intensely in it, they are really terrible in my opinion. Radcliffe isn't great but slightly better than the others in my opinion.

Maggie Smith was terrible in it surprisingly, she is an excellent actress but was appalling in that film.

I thought David Thewlis, Gary Oldman and Alan Rickman were rather good and Michael Gambon did well too.

lol, you have a personal hate for the kids, did you try out a miss? (j/k)

I thought Gambon is a very good actor, and that he is 100x better than Harris for Dumbledore.

Yes, he is better than Harris. I did not try out for the films nor did I express a desire to do so, a few of my friends did and I know a few of the kids in it.

I don't personally hate the kids, I just don't think they are good actors and aggravate me at times.

I know a few people who would be far better than them, a friend of mine is a fantastic actor who starred in a play at the Chelsea Theatre in London for a theatre company in his first tryout where everyone else had been doing their plays for several years.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: PBrunsel on June 12, 2004, 12:11:47 PM
My ideas on Harry Potter are not insane ones like Pat Robertson's. Robertson says that the Harry Potter books are "inspired by the Devil." I think that's rediculous.

As for me Harry Potter is making J.K. Rowling a lot of money, and that's great. You can be into Harry Potter, but I won't.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on June 12, 2004, 12:13:34 PM
ok why do you not like harry potter?


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: PBrunsel on June 12, 2004, 12:15:25 PM
I find Harry Potter as just another fad and media hype.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on June 12, 2004, 12:19:37 PM
I find Harry Potter as just another fad and media hype.

How? Harry Potter is the only books some kids read. And Kids need to read book. I look at it like this. Yes I know witches and crap are not good. But it is all in fun and games. Thats all.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 12:25:01 PM
I find Harry Potter as just another fad and media hype.

How? Harry Potter is the only books some kids read. And Kids need to read book. I look at it like this. Yes I know witches and crap are not good. But it is all in fun and games. Thats all.

It pretty much is just a fad. Remember Cabbage patch kids, troll kids, garbage pail kids? Oh yeah you're to young.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 12:33:27 PM
My ideas on Harry Potter are not insane ones like Pat Robertson's. Robertson says that the Harry Potter books are "inspired by the Devil." I think that's rediculous.

As for me Harry Potter is making J.K. Rowling a lot of money, and that's great. You can be into Harry Potter, but I won't.

She is a sell-out. I dislike Rowling herself.

She said she would not let it get all commercial and have stupid Harry Potter products or movies. Now you can effectively buy Harry Potter everything.

If kids are only reading Harry Potter as you say Josh, then, in my opinion, that is not a good thing, the Harry Potter novels should be used as a stepping stone to finer literature.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: classical liberal on June 12, 2004, 12:44:01 PM
Rowling didn't sell out to the merchandizers, the makers of the moies did.  The author only sold out tot he movie company.  Notice that all the merchandice uses the actors fromthe movies and the graphics created by the movie makers.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 12:45:16 PM
Rowling didn't sell out to the merchandizers, the makers of the moies did.  The author only sold out tot he movie company.  Notice that all the merchandice uses the actors fromthe movies and the graphics created by the movie makers.

Some came before the movies though. She owns the copyright to Harry Potter doesn't she? If so she should be able to control what they do and do not do with it.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: PBrunsel on June 12, 2004, 12:45:46 PM
I think kids need to read things that will help them grow intelectually, and reading Harry Potter books are in many ways like playing a video game.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 01:05:08 PM
I think kids need to read things that will help them grow intelectually, and reading Harry Potter books are in many ways like playing a video game.

I would disagree, I think they are good for children when used as a stepping stone, they effectively started me reading when I was 10 really, I read books but very rarely and after those I did start to read a lot more heavily. I used them as a stepping stone onto bigger and better books, now I read the works of Fitzgerald, Heller, Steinbeck, Highsmith etc.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 01:29:15 PM
I find Harry Potter as just another fad and media hype.

How? Harry Potter is the only books some kids read. And Kids need to read book. I look at it like this. Yes I know witches and crap are not good. But it is all in fun and games. Thats all.

It pretty much is just a fad. Remember Cabbage patch kids, troll kids, garbage pail kids? Oh yeah you're to young.

lol, one thing though, I don't remember the Cabbage patch kids turning into a movie series.

G.I. Joe?


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: PBrunsel on June 12, 2004, 01:31:46 PM
I am only 16, but I remember the Garbage Pail Kids from books on the 1980's I have read. How could something that gross and distrubing become a fad?


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 01:33:29 PM
I am only 16, but I remember the Garbage Pail Kids from books on the 1980's I have read. How could something that gross and distrubing become a fad?

:o You are 16? I thought you were an adult!


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Gustaf on June 12, 2004, 02:28:01 PM
I think kids need to read things that will help them grow intelectually, and reading Harry Potter books are in many ways like playing a video game.

I would disagree, I think they are good for children when used as a stepping stone, they effectively started me reading when I was 10 really, I read books but very rarely and after those I did start to read a lot more heavily. I used them as a stepping stone onto bigger and better books, now I read the works of Fitzgerald, Heller, Steinbeck, Highsmith etc.

Catch-22? :)


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 02:48:20 PM
I think kids need to read things that will help them grow intelectually, and reading Harry Potter books are in many ways like playing a video game.

I would disagree, I think they are good for children when used as a stepping stone, they effectively started me reading when I was 10 really, I read books but very rarely and after those I did start to read a lot more heavily. I used them as a stepping stone onto bigger and better books, now I read the works of Fitzgerald, Heller, Steinbeck, Highsmith etc.

Catch-22? :)

Reading it now.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Nation on June 12, 2004, 04:13:56 PM
I find Harry Potter as just another fad and media hype.

How? Harry Potter is the only books some kids read. And Kids need to read book. I look at it like this. Yes I know witches and crap are not good. But it is all in fun and games. Thats all.

It pretty much is just a fad. Remember Cabbage patch kids, troll kids, garbage pail kids? Oh yeah you're to young.

lol, one thing though, I don't remember the Cabbage patch kids turning into a movie series.

G.I. Joe?

Yeah, but the difference is, the GI Joe TV show and stuff were GOOD.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: Nation on June 12, 2004, 04:17:55 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: KEmperor on June 12, 2004, 04:43:38 PM
I just got back from seeing the third movie.  I found it very choppy.  Ok movie, not the best.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 05:17:46 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.

My wife reads over 10 books a month. I read at least three. She can read a book in day if she wants. She like I were raised to read since we were little.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 05:20:50 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.

My wife reads over 10 books a month. I read at least three. She can read a book in day if she wants. She like I were raised to read since we were little.

How long a book are we talking about when we say a day? I can read books of up to say at least 600 pages in a day.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 05:44:18 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.

My wife reads over 10 books a month. I read at least three. She can read a book in day if she wants. She like I were raised to read since we were little.

How long a book are we talking about when we say a day? I can read books of up to say at least 600 pages in a day.

About 300 pages, and usually it only takes half a day for her. I'm not that good. She speaks fluent german and took college level classes all through highschool. :)


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: JohnFKennedy on June 12, 2004, 05:45:46 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.

My wife reads over 10 books a month. I read at least three. She can read a book in day if she wants. She like I were raised to read since we were little.

How long a book are we talking about when we say a day? I can read books of up to say at least 600 pages in a day.

About 300 pages, and usually it only takes half a day for her. I'm not that good. She speaks fluent german and took college level classes all through highschool. :)

Impressive. I cannot speak any language other than English fluently but am reasonably proficient in French and Latin. My sister on the other hand is trilingual, English, French and German and she knows a reasonable amount of latin also I believe.

I am trying to decide which language her baby will learn first when he/she is born as she is English, her husband is French and they live in Germany.


Title: Re:Harry Potter
Post by: ?????????? on June 12, 2004, 05:46:41 PM
It's good that kids are reading now, but I've seen ADULT who say that this is all they read. And this is also the case for too many kids.

If anything, it's a message that we aren't pushing kids to read stuff besides harry potter enough, and aren't making them read good literature.

Heck, I'd read Hemingway over Potter anyday, and I don't like Hemingway that much.

My wife reads over 10 books a month. I read at least three. She can read a book in day if she wants. She like I were raised to read since we were little.

How long a book are we talking about when we say a day? I can read books of up to say at least 600 pages in a day.

About 300 pages, and usually it only takes half a day for her. I'm not that good. She speaks fluent german and took college level classes all through highschool. :)

Impressive. I cannot speak any language other than English fluently but am reasonably proficient in French and Latin. My sister on the other hand is trilingual, English, French and German and she knows a reasonable amount of latin also I believe.

I am trying to decide which language her baby will learn first when he/she is born as she is English, her husband is French and they live in Germany.

Swedish :) lol