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Title: PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 16, 2004, 09:14:48 PM
Its said PA 13 is among the top 10 of the toss up house races in the Country. The way it looks in the District, Melissa Brown has it in the bag. Any thoughts?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 09:25:18 PM
I'm a Melissa Brown supporter and she is bound to be our next Congresswoman. Finally we'll have a member of Congress that actually works hard and will be noticed for it here in PA13 and in DC.  Allyson Schwartz is just too liberal for this district. Also, Brown is well known here and liked. The issues: Section 8 reform, Medical Malpractice crisis, tort reform and lower taxes. Brown knows her stuff and the people like where she stands on these things. Count PA13 as a pickup for the GOP!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 16, 2004, 10:05:54 PM
I'm surprised there are people like you in CD13.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 10:07:47 PM
In what way are you surprised?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 16, 2004, 10:09:01 PM
A santorum republican in this region?

no offense, but you're a couple standard deviations from mainstream politics of this region.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 10:29:31 PM
Oh lord... more Toomeyites... don't make me get out my Specter logo.... :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 16, 2004, 10:37:02 PM
Oh lord... more Toomeyites... don't make me get out my Specter logo.... :)

Bust it out!!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 10:38:57 PM
Please.  I'm trying to put that race behind me. It was tough to see Toomey lose. I supported the man when he was down 30 pts in the polls, watched him climb within 2 points and watched his concession speech. It was difficult. We can have our arguments but now we just have to make sure Hoeffel doesn't get in there. He is my Congressman and he can disguise himself as Mr. Moderate Democrat but is a very partisan liberal.

Toomey will be back though...don't you worry! :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 16, 2004, 10:40:49 PM
Greenwood for Senate...2006

You can do it Jim!

>P


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 10:41:54 PM
Greenwood? Cmon you gotta be kidding me!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 10:43:48 PM
Hopefully Toomey will be back... to have to get a real job somewhere rather than challenging good Republican incumbents.  Maybe someday, he'll decide to challenge Democrats instead.

I strongly applaud you though for your loyalty and your committment to defeating Joe Hoeffel.  Unfortunately, there is one Pennsylvanian around here (whose name rhymes with Duperfoulty :)) who you need to inspire to do the right thing!

I also salute the man in your picture... as much as I detest his statements regarding gays and lesbians, I applaud his loyalty to Senator Specter.  Your state needs both Specter and Santorum.  The last thing they need is Hoeffel and Hafer!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 10:44:42 PM
You're right.

Greenwood for President, 2008!  Woohoo! :)

Greenwood? Cmon you gotta be kidding me!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 10:52:11 PM
I can see his reason for supporting Hoeffel. (I guess thats what he's doing...?) Many conservatives are so enraged by yet another Specter win. We took it hard. Conservatives don't want to see him chair the Judiciary (myself being one of them) but we conservatives CANNOT throw our support behind Joe Hoeffel. Believe me, I know his record and it could be considered (when looking at a number of votes) Far left.

As for the many in my picture, he is one of my favorites in politics. However, I don't applaud his support of Senator Specter but that's a whole different story.

I agree with you that the last thing Pennsylania needs is Hoeffel/Hafer and I'll say it now that Pennsylvania won't be electing either of them to the U.S. Senate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 11:02:34 PM
I can't understand why someone would think Pat Leahy would be better.

Santorum is probably my least favorite among the Republican members in the Senate... but he beats ANY Democrat by a mile.

I can see his reason for supporting Hoeffel. (I guess thats what he's doing...?) Many conservatives are so enraged by yet another Specter win. We took it hard. Conservatives don't want to see him chair the Judiciary (myself being one of them) but we conservatives CANNOT throw our support behind Joe Hoeffel. Believe me, I know his record and it could be considered (when looking at a number of votes) Far left.

As for the many in my picture, he is one of my favorites in politics. However, I don't applaud his support of Senator Specter but that's a whole different story.

I agree with you that the last thing Pennsylania needs is Hoeffel/Hafer and I'll say it now that Pennsylvania won't be electing either of them to the U.S. Senate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 11:04:33 PM
No one thinks Leahy would be better. Most think the GOP will keep the Senate and probably BUILD on its majority. They want Specter to lose, have the D's pick that one up, and get Jon Kyl as the Judiciary Chair.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 11:10:06 PM
I'd certainly prefer Kyl to Specter.

But having the triple-shot of
A) extreme social conservatives winning a primary and me having to watch them parade around on TV like they've done something important.
B) extreme social conservative losing yet another seat for our Party. (see Kansas and Oregon Gubenatorial races in 2002)
C) Democrats winning a seat, and me having to watch them parade around on TV like they've done something important.

....simply wasn't worth it.

And if you look at the seats... there is no guarantee that we will hold the Senate.  We can't afford a loss.


No one thinks Leahy would be better. Most think the GOP will keep the Senate and probably BUILD on its majority. They want Specter to lose, have the D's pick that one up, and get Jon Kyl as the Judiciary Chair.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 11:19:22 PM
I believe that if Toomey was the nominee here, we would beat Joe Hoeffel. I honestly believe that. Joe Hoeffel has a liberal record that would not sit well with a statewide electorate. Hoeffel can't win with the views he holds. Would it have been close? Yes. It would have been a real fight but we have to fight for what we believe in.

Pat Toomey agrees with President Bush on almost every social issue. Is President Bush an extreme social conservative? Nope. Neither is Pat Toomey. He holds the traditional values of the Republican party just as the President does.

You're right there is no guarantee that we will hold the Senate but chances are, we will and will build on the majority we have.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 16, 2004, 11:27:02 PM
I didn't say Pat Toomey was necessarily an extreme social conservative.  It's some of his supporters that I'm worried about.  One Rick Santorum is enough.

Everything in politics is about money.  If the NRSC had to waste money defending a seat in PA, it would hurt our chances even more in other states.

I believe that if Toomey was the nominee here, we would beat Joe Hoeffel. I honestly believe that. Joe Hoeffel has a liberal record that would not sit well with a statewide electorate. Hoeffel can't win with the views he holds. Would it have been close? Yes. It would have been a real fight but we have to fight for what we believe in.

Pat Toomey agrees with President Bush on almost every social issue. Is President Bush an extreme social conservative? Nope. Neither is Pat Toomey. He holds the traditional values of the Republican party just as the President does.

You're right there is no guarantee that we will hold the Senate but chances are, we will and will build on the majority we have.




Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: nclib on June 16, 2004, 11:33:48 PM
No one thinks Leahy would be better. Most think the GOP will keep the Senate and probably BUILD on its majority. They want Specter to lose, have the D's pick that one up, and get Jon Kyl as the Judiciary Chair.

A Hoeffel win and a Kerry win and an even split in the other Senate races would result in Leahy being Chair.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 11:37:37 PM
You support Lisa Murkowski, correct? Well in order to save that seat we will be pouring tons of money into that race. We need to keep Oklahoma in GOP hands, too. In Alaska the moderate to liberal Murkowski would be a weaker candidate to popular Knowles. In Oklahoma Humphreys is the moderate candidate and would be considered the weakest candidate against Congressman Carson.  Here's my point: why is it that when a conservative Republican wants a chance to defend the seat and needs money they are rejected. But when two moderates want to defend their seat and want money, they get it. Why? It might be hard to understand what I'm getting at so I'll try this...

The NRSC, in your opinion, would have to "waste" money defending this seat for a conservative. Why is it ok then to waste money defending a seat in AK and OK for a moderate when our chances are much better with the more conservative challengers?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 16, 2004, 11:39:28 PM
nclib, a Hoeffel win and a Kerry win would result in a split and Leahy chair, correct. However there are other races and other pickups for both parties. The Dems could take PA but lose SC, GA, and FL leaving us with a net gain of seats. The Dems won't be taking the Senate this year.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: classical liberal on June 17, 2004, 12:19:12 AM
the dems will loose GA, but will hold their other southern seats.  the GOP will loose IL, but will hold its other midwestern seats.  its the western GOP seats that could tip the senate to the Dems.  If IL and GA switch hands as they almost assuredly will, the dems need to pick up a net of 2 seats.  OK and CO are open and vulnerable, as is AK.  If we had put in Toomey, he would have almost assuredly lost the seat.  That would have meant that all 3 of the truly vulnerable GOP seats would need to be defended to keep a majority rather than just 2.  If Coburn wins the OK primary then it moves to the safe column, but I really think that AK will switch.  Therefore the senate will be decided in CO, rather than CO and PA.  One less seat to defend is one seat's worth of money available for the other seats.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2004, 01:25:59 AM
Ahh.  Now I got competition from my own district.  Welcome aboard guys!  Yes, I'll agree with you that Melissa Brown was the best Republican in the field.  I supported Torsella in the primary because I thought Schwartz is too liberal.  He would pull away a little more than Schwartz in Northeast Philly.  Guess what... before you think Brown is a shoo-in here are enough people here that think Bush is lousy and Brown is pretty adamant about Bush's boneheaded policies.  Plus there are a lot of union memebrs in the district and suburban liberals.  I think it will be a close one!  Please remember that this is 2004, not post-9/11 2002.  Schwartz should have the advantage on Bush's policies.  I'll admit Brown is getting a lot of undue popularity on Section 8.  I too am a strong supporter of Section 8 reform, but I don't agree with Brown on much else thereafter.  The campaign hasn't even got started yet.  The ride will be bumpy... BUCKLE UP!!!  Oh and btw, do you remember that Keystone Poll done on the 13th a while back on Bush's approval:

Economy: 28%
War 41%

Section 8 can be de-bunked very easily and the Dems have the resoucres to do it.  Please guys (TeenGOP and Keystone Phil), I understand where your coming from and I'm sure some of our views overlap considering how close we live to each other.  I kinda thought like you guys at one time myself, but these past 4 years got me thinking outside the box.  Take all of the issues into consideration before jumping the gun and going gung-ho GOP.  I just got out of college with a decent GPA and the job market stinks.  Having taken economics and Accounting, I feel Bush's tax cuts do not benefit Northeast Philly at all and in fact hurt us and benefit the very wealthy.      
 


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2004, 01:48:10 AM
I can see his reason for supporting Hoeffel. (I guess thats what he's doing...?) Many conservatives are so enraged by yet another Specter win. We took it hard. Conservatives don't want to see him chair the Judiciary (myself being one of them) but we conservatives CANNOT throw our support behind Joe Hoeffel. Believe me, I know his record and it could be considered (when looking at a number of votes) Far left.

As for the many in my picture, he is one of my favorites in politics. However, I don't applaud his support of Senator Specter but that's a whole different story.

I agree with you that the last thing Pennsylania needs is Hoeffel/Hafer and I'll say it now that Pennsylvania won't be electing either of them to the U.S. Senate.

I like Joe Hoeffel.  I think he was great on Section 8 housing.  He tore into the PHA for us in Northeast Philly.  Plus he tore into Bush and actually represents us.  Melissa Brown is canniving and deceitful- I don't trust her!  She tried to have us believe that if Hoeffel got elected, him and Street would open the gates of Section 8 and drown the Northeast downhill.  Has that happened??  Not as a result of them.  I woudl pressure the PHA rather than vote Brown.  Housing prices have skyrocketed.  I find Northeast Philadelphians like you (you sound like you're from here) are shooting themselves in the foot because they're a little ticked at City Hall so they give red carpet treatment to neoconservatives because they're scared sh!tless over a black person moving into their neighborhood.  You're young and once your in the real world and know how the economy and politics really work, you'll think Brown is a deceitful c**nt out for her and her millionaire doctor and big oil buddies.  Some of us are waking up here.  

Melissa Brown's spike in popularity proves this- the Democrats have to get better organized.  If there were a better Democaritc mayor than Street, the neo-cons would have much more trouble here than they are.  Look at the primary results from Northeast Philly:  Dem turnout was 23,000... Rep turnout was 15,000 and this is considering a heated Republican Senate primary which most voted Specter!  I'm sure that tells you something.  I know there are neo-cons in Northeast Philly, but you are still few and far between.  Brown will be close, but she is not going to win in the end.  In fact Schwartz will widen the margin over Hoeffel.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 10:37:10 AM
I highly doubt Schwartz will win. Highly doubt it. Once her record is out people will realize just how far left she is. Voters in PA13 know Melissa Brown better than most candidates. They know her views and like her positions.

As for Hoeffel, what has he done with Section 8? He is no where close to Melissa Brown when it comes to leadership on the issue.

As for the comment about having a black person move into a neighborhood and that's what people up here are afraid of...that is just ridiculous. Section 8 has members of both races and your race doesn't have to do with why its a problem. People see the problems with it and want it fixed. They want someone that will actually fight for their neighborhood rather than "talk" about doing it.

In the end, Schwartz will lose...by a pretty comfortable margin. I'm not calling for a 60%-40% Brown win but maybe a 53%-47% victory. On Nov. 2nd voters will see that Melissa Brown has been the real fighter for PA13 over the years.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 17, 2004, 10:54:46 AM
I believe that if Toomey was the nominee here, we would beat Joe Hoeffel. I honestly believe that. Joe Hoeffel has a liberal record that would not sit well with a statewide electorate. Hoeffel can't win with the views he holds. Would it have been close? Yes. It would have been a real fight but we have to fight for what we believe in.

Pat Toomey agrees with President Bush on almost every social issue. Is President Bush an extreme social conservative? Nope. Neither is Pat Toomey. He holds the traditional values of the Republican party just as the President does.

You're right there is no guarantee that we will hold the Senate but chances are, we will and will build on the majority we have.



Toomey would have gone down in flames.

He'd lose Bucks, Montgomery, Delaware, and maybe Chester counties by the same or greater margins than Bush would, and probably kill Bush's chances in these regions too.

The only claim to fame this guy had was that he won in a typically democratic district...because the democrats ran that idiot, Ed O'Brien 2 out of the 3 times. Not impressive.

As for traditional values...the tradition of the Reppublican Party since 1856 and until southern realignment (circa 1968/72) has been to be a socially moderate/liberal/progressive party. Not socially conservative. You social conservatives have only been in the party for 35 years or so...not very long...certainly not long enough to be the traditional wing.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 11:07:54 AM
Believe me, social conservatives in the GOP didn't just started appearing in the last 35 years.

I'll agree that Toomey probably wouldn't carry Montco or Bucks but he'd certainly take a good amount of votes in both. Part of his dist (PA15) is in Montco. To say he wouldn't win Chester and Delaware is a bit of a stretch.

Toomey's "claims to fame" aren't just winning by healthy margins in a Dem district but if he was the general election candidate one claim of his would be known throughout PA: Toomey is the guy that beat Arlen Specter, the 4 term incumbent, a powerful Senator, someone with WAY more money and many more big name endorsements. And that would be one claim that would never be forgotten in PA politics.  Like I've said before...Toomey will be back.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 17, 2004, 11:17:15 AM
I'll agree that Toomey probably wouldn't carry Montco or Bucks but he'd certainly take a good amount of votes in both. Part of his dist (PA15) is in Montco. To say he wouldn't win Chester and Delaware is a bit of a stretch.

Both Gore and Rendell won Delaware, and Rendell won Chester.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 17, 2004, 11:23:07 AM
Believe me, social conservatives in the GOP didn't just started appearing in the last 35 years.

I'll agree that Toomey probably wouldn't carry Montco or Bucks but he'd certainly take a good amount of votes in both. Part of his dist (PA15) is in Montco. To say he wouldn't win Chester and Delaware is a bit of a stretch.

Toomey's "claims to fame" aren't just winning by healthy margins in a Dem district but if he was the general election candidate one claim of his would be known throughout PA: Toomey is the guy that beat Arlen Specter, the 4 term incumbent, a powerful Senator, someone with WAY more money and many more big name endorsements. And that would be one claim that would never be forgotten in PA politics.  Like I've said before...Toomey will be back.

A sliver of the 15th is in extreme northern montogomery county, not that many people.

Chester might go democratic like it did in 2002, and delaware county is probably the most likely to vote democratic of all 4 counties--urbanized, less affluent, though still well off than the other 3.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2004, 11:28:36 AM
I highly doubt Schwartz will win. Highly doubt it. Once her record is out people will realize just how far left she is. Voters in PA13 know Melissa Brown better than most candidates. They know her views and like her positions.

As for Hoeffel, what has he done with Section 8? He is no where close to Melissa Brown when it comes to leadership on the issue.

As for the comment about having a black person move into a neighborhood and that's what people up here are afraid of...that is just ridiculous. Section 8 has members of both races and your race doesn't have to do with why its a problem. People see the problems with it and want it fixed. They want someone that will actually fight for their neighborhood rather than "talk" about doing it.

In the end, Schwartz will lose...by a pretty comfortable margin. I'm not calling for a 60%-40% Brown win but maybe a 53%-47% victory. On Nov. 2nd voters will see that Melissa Brown has been the real fighter for PA13 over the years.



I see problems with Section 8 as well and want it fixed too.  What has Melissa Brown done?  And if she were just a little less gung-ho about Bush/Reaganomics and less deceitful, I may have actually voted for her.  But I'm not.  The Unions and trial lawyers will be out full throttle to keep the seat in Democratic hands.  If you have read some of the letters in the Northeast Times, Melissa Brown is receiving praise, but also the same amount of grief.  As for Joe Hoeffel on Section 8 there is an excellent article in the Northeast Times farther back that outlines what he has done on Section 8.  I'll give you that link later when I have more time.  And what makes you think Brown will get the seat this time and not 2002?  Remember 2002 was hot off 9/11 and Bush's popularity was sizzling.  Bush's approval rating in the PA-13 district last checked was a dismal 39%.  Being that I watch the Flyers a lot, here are the keys to the game:

Schwartz:

1. Pound Bush HARD on the economy
         


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 17, 2004, 11:37:30 AM
Heh. Your own edition of Coatsey's Corner.

Except without the campy openings. >P


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 17, 2004, 11:45:27 AM
I think PA-13 gave Gore around 56% of the vote (the new district, not the old one, which voted for Gore marginally). There is no district in the country that voted for Gore that highly and is held by a Republican. So I'm confident we keep this seat.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 17, 2004, 11:49:48 AM
Thats the thing...it voted 56% for a democrat against a conservative republican...

Brown is not as conservative as Bush...plus she's local...

This is a district the GOP drew up so they could win (the boundaries are different from 00), they took some more moderate democratic areas and added them to the 8th (Greenwood is probably the safest republican in the state) and gerrymandered some more liberal areas into the already democratic philly districts...

But those kids and that dog keep foiling them every time.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2004, 01:03:37 PM
Thats the thing...it voted 56% for a democrat against a conservative republican...

Brown is not as conservative as Bush...plus she's local...

This is a district the GOP drew up so they could win (the boundaries are different from 00), they took some more moderate democratic areas and added them to the 8th (Greenwood is probably the safest republican in the state) and gerrymandered some more liberal areas into the already democratic philly districts...

But those kids and that dog keep foiling them every time.

I agree with you that Brown isn't as conservative as Bush.  On pro-choice and most social issues, she's as good as a Democrat.  On Section 8 where she is conservative, I agree with her minus the fact of how she went about it.  If she went about Section 8 better and was less gung-ho about Bush, she may have actually got my vote.  I think she will have more trouble winning over the Northeast than she did last time because of Bush's failed economic polices and Iraq.  Melissa Brown is an unapologetic supporter of him and that's making me very uneasy about senfing her to Congress.  I want a representarive like Hoeffel, not another Bush lackey.  The economy in Northeast Philadelphia stinks and tax breaks for the wealthy don't exactly go over too well.  I swear a good portion of the economy are government workers and union tradesmen.  Mr. Young Republican, these people know who's buttering their bread!  On and the dude that said Hoeffel wasn't good on Section 8, here's a link:

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2003/0226/sectioneight.html

I'll now finish with key to the game:

Schwartz:

1. Extentuate legislative accomplishments
2. Pound Brown HARD and peg her to Bush
3. Show commericals that show Schwartz with blue collar support
4. Rendell needs to go to bat for her

Brown:

1. Section 8
2. Section 8
3. Section 8
4. And then???


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2004, 02:14:31 PM


As for the comment about having a black person move into a neighborhood and that's what people up here are afraid of...that is just ridiculous. Section 8 has members of both races and your race doesn't have to do with why its a problem. People see the problems with it and want it fixed. They want someone that will actually fight for their neighborhood rather than "talk" about doing it.


Actually, if you been to enough bars you'll find that Joe Sixpack from the Northeast generally views the Section 8 program as black.  I think it's wrong, but I know how these people think.  The fact that Melissa Brown pegged Hoeffel to Street in 2002 scored her points bigtime, yet was incredibly wrong.  I know whites are on the Section 8 program in some neighborhoods like Kensington, port Richmond, and Bridesburg, but the media wants to hide that fact.  I proud of you for being smart enough to realize this especially for ebing such a young guy.  Melissa Brown is playing to racial fears to get votes - I KNOW IT!!  It's high time Joe Sixpack from Mayfair or wherever has to start waking up to this fact and start sending the neoconservative @ssholes packing, not rolling out the red carpet because they dislike Street.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 06:04:13 PM
Well I was at the Bush Cheney rally in Ft. Washington where I heard our GREAT First Lady Laura Bush and PA13's next Congresswoman Melissa Brown speak so I wasn't able to respond to these posts earlier today.

1) Melissa Brown is not "as good as a Democrat" on social issues. Yes, she's pro choice and I don't agree with her on that but she is in no way as good as a Dem.

2) Melissa Brown's only issue isn't Section 8. She is focusing on Medical Maplpractice, tort reform, tax cuts too.

3) You won't be keeping this seat. Trust me. Scwartz  = WAY TOO LIBERAL for PA13. That's it. Plus, the voters know Melissa Brown and like her positions.

4) Hoeffel isn't a leader on Section 8. Wanna know why? More and more section 8 keeps appearing in the Northeast.

5) Handzus26 mentions that Schwartz needs "blue collar support" Well Melissa Brown possibly getting the Teamsters endorsement doesn't help her in that area.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on June 17, 2004, 06:23:47 PM
I did a bit of research.

PA-13 is located in suburban Philly.  Gore won it by 14%, CPI is D+7, and incumbent Hoffel won it by 4% last time around, against Melissa Brown, who is the GOP candidate this year.

Prediction: small, micro-lean GOP


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 06:29:08 PM
It does lean Republican. Thank you! But it certainly isn't a "small, micro" lean  ;D


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on June 17, 2004, 06:30:14 PM
It does lean Republican. Thank you! But it certainly isn't a "small, micro" lean  ;D

Yes, it is a small, micro lean.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on June 17, 2004, 06:31:00 PM
Another thing--if Hoeffel only won re-election by 7000 votes he can't be an overwhelmingly strong candidate for Senate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 06:35:15 PM
Hoeffel isn't a strong candidate. Some think this run is just a warm up for a possible 2006 run against Santorum.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on June 17, 2004, 06:36:14 PM
Hoeffel isn't a strong candidate. Some think this run is just a warm up for a possible 2006 run against Santorum.

I hope not.  I want Torsella in 2006, but I doubt it will happen.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 17, 2004, 06:40:05 PM
Thats the thing...it voted 56% for a democrat against a conservative republican...

Brown is not as conservative as Bush...plus she's local...

This is a district the GOP drew up so they could win (the boundaries are different from 00), they took some more moderate democratic areas and added them to the 8th (Greenwood is probably the safest republican in the state) and gerrymandered some more liberal areas into the already democratic philly districts...

But those kids and that dog keep foiling them every time.

I agree with you that Brown isn't as conservative as Bush.  On pro-choice and most social issues, she's as good as a Democrat.  On Section 8 where she is conservative, I agree with her minus the fact of how she went about it.  If she went about Section 8 better and was less gung-ho about Bush, she may have actually got my vote.  I think she will have more trouble winning over the Northeast than she did last time because of Bush's failed economic polices and Iraq.  Melissa Brown is an unapologetic supporter of him and that's making me very uneasy about senfing her to Congress.  I want a representarive like Hoeffel, not another Bush lackey.  The economy in Northeast Philadelphia stinks and tax breaks for the wealthy don't exactly go over too well.  I swear a good portion of the economy are government workers and union tradesmen.  Mr. Young Republican, these people know who's buttering their bread!  On and the dude that said Hoeffel wasn't good on Section 8, here's a link:

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2003/0226/sectioneight.html

I'll now finish with key to the game:

Schwartz:

1. Extentuate legislative accomplishments
2. Pound Brown HARD and peg her to Bush
3. Show commericals that show Schwartz with blue collar support
4. Rendell needs to go to bat for her

Brown:

1. Section 8
2. Section 8
3. Section 8
4. And then???

Schwartz:
1.Legislative Accomplishments too liberal for the district. the district is SLIGHTLY democratic and they are moderates. NOT Liberals.
2. Has nothing to peg Brown to Bush with other than party. The folks are not as stupid as you Dems think they are.... they will see right through it.
3. Melissa puts commercials out showing she has the firefighters plus the teamsters!!!!
4. Rendel wont help her - he has too many problems of his own.

Brown:
1. Section 8
2. Dr. Brown knows more about health care then schwartz ever will. (medical crisis)
3. Former teacher, Dr Brown knows more about education than schwartz ever will. (educaton problems)
4. Business owner, Dr. Brown knows more about small business and the economy then Schwartz, a liberal, ever will.
5. Against partial birth abortion!!! Schwartz is for it!!! Voters in this district will go for Melissa. The Pro-lifers will support her for not being as "bad" on the issue and A LOT of the Pro-Choicers will go for her as most are against partial birth.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2004, 06:43:15 PM
Torsella won't run for Senate. Maybe he'll try another run for Congress. Senate is just out of the question when you have so many D's possibly running in '06 that have been elected and Torsella hasn't held office.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 17, 2004, 09:11:40 PM
Section 8 shouldn't be an issue at all. Sounds to me like a state or city program. I've never heard of it until I came here. Therefore, there is pretty much nothing someone in Congress, a federal office could do about it.

But I definately don't see us losing this seat. There isn't a single district in the country like PA-13 held by a Republican. Gore's best districts held by Republicans are NY-27 (which will likely change since Quinn's retiring) and CT-2. Both gave him around 54%.

btw anyone else find it a little odd we have two Republicans supposedly from the same district who appeared at pretty much the same time?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 17, 2004, 09:19:43 PM
Son, you have no clue what you are talking about. Section 8 is a federally funded program. The federal government gives management to the program to the local governments but retains full control of thee program just in case it is abused as it is in Philly. Melissa Brown will work against John Street and his poor management of  the Philadelphia Section 8 Program. Now, someone will get on this board and call Melissa  and me racist because John Street is black. Well you've heard it here folks, one of my best buddies is black and he agrees with me 100% that John Street is running Section 8 in a terrible manner.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 17, 2004, 10:04:07 PM
Son, you have no clue what you are talking about. Section 8 is a federally funded program. The federal government gives management to the program to the local governments but retains full control of thee program just in case it is abused as it is in Philly. Melissa Brown will work against John Street and his poor management of  the Philadelphia Section 8 Program. Now, someone will get on this board and call Melissa  and me racist because John Street is black. Well you've heard it here folks, one of my best buddies is black and he agrees with me 100% that John Street is running Section 8 in a terrible manner.

Theres just something ironically funny about that last sentence.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 01:14:04 AM
Well I was at the Bush Cheney rally in Ft. Washington where I heard our GREAT First Lady Laura Bush and PA13's next Congresswoman Melissa Brown speak so I wasn't able to respond to these posts earlier today.

1) Melissa Brown is not "as good as a Democrat" on social issues. Yes, she's pro choice and I don't agree with her on that but she is in no way as good as a Dem.

2) Melissa Brown's only issue isn't Section 8. She is focusing on Medical Maplpractice, tort reform, tax cuts too.

3) You won't be keeping this seat. Trust me. Scwartz  = WAY TOO LIBERAL for PA13. That's it. Plus, the voters know Melissa Brown and like her positions.

4) Hoeffel isn't a leader on Section 8. Wanna know why? More and more section 8 keeps appearing in the Northeast.

5) Handzus26 mentions that Schwartz needs "blue collar support" Well Melissa Brown possibly getting the Teamsters endorsement doesn't help her in that area.

Schwartz has a laundry list of unions backing her.  At the moment Brown has NONE!!  I doubt the Teamsters will be backing Brown.  Schwartz already has the Steamfitters, the Carpenters, the Electricians.  Trust me, Rendell, Saidel, Fumo, Dougherty, Tartaglione, and Co. will make sure she gets this seat.  As for medical malpractice, do you think a lot of people here side with the rich @ss doctors?? Come on!  It's the insurance companies that make bad investment decisions are the real reason for the problem.  Section 8 may be a federally funded program, but a lot of the decisions are made by the PHA.     I agree with you that there should be reform on those issues.  I am also pro-choice, but against partial-birth abortion.  However, the tax cuts and "medical malpractice reform", which is more of an attack on patients, does not sit well with me.  As I have said before, I was pushing for Joe Torsella for this seat because I felt he had a better understanding of all the issues than Schwartz.  Had Torsella won the nomination, this seat would not even be competitive for the GOP at all!    

Melissa Brown is an utter joke and a Bush whore.  The people of this district, though vehemently against Section 8, will see right through this.  And by the way, why do you think Hoeffel won in 2002?  Hmm.  Like I said before this was post-9/11 and this was when Bush was sizzling in approval ratings.  I should also add the Bush's approval ratings in PA-13 are about 8-10% below the national average.  I know I'm not the only one here that thinks the Iraq War was dead wrong and the Bush tax cuts are skewed in favor of the rich.  Read the Northeast Times and some of the letters wirtten by various people to the editor.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on June 18, 2004, 03:16:50 AM
ALL of PA was gerrymandered to a horrific degree by the GOP legislature (look at PA-18... that district is disgraceful) and PA-13 was no exception.
It was designed for a fairly moderate GOPer to win. That Hoeffel hung on *at all* was something of an upset (though overshadowed by that shocker-of-all-shockers a few miles north west of the district. Ya know what I mean...).
It's also an extremely notorius swing district.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 10:35:56 AM
2002

Hoeffel (D) - 51%
Brown (R) - 47%
McDermott (C) - 2%

Allyson Schwartz - a far left liberal who MOVED INTO the district. She doesn't know the district or the people nearly as well as Melissa Brown. You can say that people here really dislike Bush and that is what will prevent Brown from doing well but look at '02. Rendell won this district by a HUGE margin and yet Brown was able to come within 4 points.

And if Joe Torsella was in the race it would still be a competitive because voters know Brown better. It would be a tougher race, I'll admit, but certainly still competitive.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: migrendel on June 18, 2004, 12:39:50 PM
Hopefully, Section 8 reform will fall flat. I have faith that there will be enough fair minded voters in PA-13 to counterbalance racist pandering on the part of Ms. Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 12:46:04 PM
The Section 8 issue is not an issue based on race. Some take it that way but the fact of the matter is Section 8 includes people of all races. It's the fact that Section 8 is ruining neighborhoods with higher crime rates and drugs. This issue will not go away during this campaign. It's obvious that the people of the district want change. They're heard all the talk from Hoeffel and others but nothing has been done to improve the the situation. Reform is needed and it will be achieved when Dr. Brown gets to Congress.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 02:03:09 PM
2002

Hoeffel (D) - 51%
Brown (R) - 47%
McDermott (C) - 2%

Allyson Schwartz - a far left liberal who MOVED INTO the district. She doesn't know the district or the people nearly as well as Melissa Brown. You can say that people here really dislike Bush and that is what will prevent Brown from doing well but look at '02. Rendell won this district by a HUGE margin and yet Brown was able to come within 4 points.

And if Joe Torsella was in the race it would still be a competitive because voters know Brown better. It would be a tougher race, I'll admit, but certainly still competitive.



Ok, Melissa Brown was from where??? Tennessee.  What college did she go to??? Keuka.  Who the f--k has ever heard of Keuka?  Schwartz grew up close enough to the district to know it.  Melissa Brown hit on a hot button issue a the right time and most people weren't even fathoming how bad Bush is.  Hoeffel STILL won.  Different story now.  I'll admit 4 years ago I would have voted for Brown, but now that I realize her unabashed support of Bush's boneheaded policies, I backed off very quick.  And I don't think Schwartz is that far to the left.  She will definitely move to the center and I think she knows she has to.  Melissa Brown got a hot tip from probably John Perzel and took off with it at the last minute.  Schwartz/Doc/Fumo and Co. have a lot of time to deflate it.  If the election were held today, I'd give Brown a SLIGHT lead.  Brown can only go down at this point.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 02:12:04 PM
Brown grew up in Tennesse but spent her adult life and raised her family in PA. Are you actually going to make fun of the college the woman went to? That's really childish. It certainly doesn't matter what college she went to since she ran a small buisness and is an experienced doctor. If you want to argue about something, don't use "who ever heard of that college" as an arguement.

When it comes to knowing PA13 Melissa Brown knows it better than any other candidate. Schwartz representsa small part of PA13 as a state senator but doesn't come close to the knowledge Brown has about the area.

If the election was held today, you bet Melissa Brown would win. And when it is held on Nov. 2nd, the result will be the same.

Handzus, I noticed the picture of Governor Rendell as your signature...did you vote for him in the '02 primary or did you back Casey?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 02:18:08 PM
Hopefully, Section 8 reform will fall flat. I have faith that there will be enough fair minded voters in PA-13 to counterbalance racist pandering on the part of Ms. Brown.

Migrendel-  This is a perfect example of why the Democratic party needs to include economics.  If not for economics, I would actually vote Brown.  I'll have to agree with my Young Republican buddies here that Section 8 is grossly mismanaged as has ruined a lot of neighborhoods.

Keystone Phil-  Ms. Brown is going to have to explain her unabashed support of Bush at some point.  You know Schwartz will capitalize in it.  If not Section 8, what else does she really have as a Trunp Card.  Brown's trump card was Section 8 housing and don't you think the Democratic machines will be cranking a lot of OT to try to burn it?  Schwartz knows the enemy and what tricks she's going to pull out of her sleeve.  Hey, as I have said before I agree with you on Sec. 8 as I have seen my dad's parents neighborhood (Kensington) go down and my old one Northwood).  But if you think for one minute it's going to switch my vote for that unapologetic Bush lover, you are sadly mistaken!      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 02:21:34 PM
Oh and I forgot to add, as you tried to make a point of Brown growing up in TN, right? Then you said that Schwartz grew up close to the district. I didn't think you would consider NEW YORK CITY close to the district.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 05:06:57 PM
Brown grew up in Tennesse but spent her adult life and raised her family in PA. Are you actually going to make fun of the college the woman went to? That's really childish. It certainly doesn't matter what college she went to since she ran a small buisness and is an experienced doctor. If you want to argue about something, don't use "who ever heard of that college" as an arguement.

When it comes to knowing PA13 Melissa Brown knows it better than any other candidate. Schwartz representsa small part of PA13 as a state senator but doesn't come close to the knowledge Brown has about the area.

If the election was held today, you bet Melissa Brown would win. And when it is held on Nov. 2nd, the result will be the same.

Handzus, I noticed the picture of Governor Rendell as your signature...did you vote for him in the '02 primary or did you back Casey?

I backed Rendell in that primary.  In fact I was an Independent prior to that primary because I had a lot of problems with the Democratic run city government yet I also had problems with the Republicans getting paid off by big corporations.  
 
As for Allyson Schwartz' residency, why do you see that as a problem?  The districts are so gerrymandered anyway and besides she lives close enough.  If you are talking about Driscoll in PA-15, then you have a valid point.    I wasn't the one who brought up her residenct, YOU DID!  I will give you this, I voted Joe Torsella on this to a point because I wanted to see a guy born and raised in Northeast Philly get elected.  My views are almost carbon copy of his just a smidge to the left.  I feel he has a much better understanding of what people liek me go through rahter than Allyson Schwartz.

As for Melissa Brown, there are a lot questions raised in her campaign.  Her relentless support of George W. Bush rather than being a representative raises concenrn about her being sent to congress.  Joe Hoeffel has been an excellent Congressman for us who has both addressed Section 8 and my concerns over Iraq and the lopsided tax cuts.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 09:18:30 PM
I brought up the residency because Brown has been in this district MUCH longer and knows more about it than Schwartz. For some reason you brought up where Brown was born and educated which I found no point in.

You're right about Melissa Brown supporting the President. She makes it known that she backs Bush and the people of the 13th will prefer her support of Bush (though most are against him) to Schwartz's far left views.

We can argue why we support each candidate and we can debate the issues but here is where you have to agree with me. You're not BRTD, you're not migrendel...you live in the district as I do. We both know Brown has the edge in the race.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: migrendel on June 18, 2004, 09:24:19 PM
If, at this point in your obviously sheltered life, you think Allyson Schwartz is far left, you've got another thing coming. And don't deny the racial overtones of this. We all know the sad stereotypes of those who receive government benefits. And since the attempts to prevent minorities from voting and using the same lunch counter can't be successful at this point, politicians like Melissa Brown have to use welfare, Section 8, affirmative action (usually described as quotas), and Willie Horton to appeal to the hardcore working class racist base.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 09:34:42 PM
I brought up the residency because Brown has been in this district MUCH longer and knows more about it than Schwartz. For some reason you brought up where Brown was born and educated which I found no point in.

You're right about Melissa Brown supporting the President. She makes it known that she backs Bush and the people of the 13th will prefer her support of Bush (though most are against him) to Schwartz's far left views.

We can argue why we support each candidate and we can debate the issues but here is where you have to agree with me. You're not BRTD, you're not migrendel...you live in the district as I do. We both know Brown has the edge in the race.

I think Kerry will win the district by 16 pts.  KP, you are right that there will be a lot of Kerry/Specter/Brown voters in this district.  I'm guessing that's about 5-7%.  Given the scenario in 2000 or 2002, I would agree with you that Brown would win.  However, these are different times and I think the relatively educated voters of the 13th district PA will agree with me on this.  Section 8 is not going to give her invincibilty.  It didn't in 2002, and it sure as hell will not this time.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 09:40:12 PM
Believe me, Allyson Schwartz is far left and there is no doubt about it. To even say Section 8 reform is being used because candidates cannot bring up denying minority voting and use of same lunch counter is RIDICULOUS. Tell me something, what is so bad about fixing a ruined system? Section 8 has caused the crime rate and drug presence to rise. Don't argue that with me because it has happened in NE Philly. Doesn't matter about the race because as I said earlier people of ALL races are living in Section 8. When neighborhoods are falling apart, we need someone who is willing to FIX them.

And Section 8 isn't Melissa Brown's only issues. Her main focus is on Medical malpractice reform and tort reform something Schwartz can never match up to Brown on. So please don't sit there and say that Brown's only issue is Section 8.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 10:30:12 PM
Believe me, Allyson Schwartz is far left and there is no doubt about it. To even say Section 8 reform is being used because candidates cannot bring up denying minority voting and use of same lunch counter is RIDICULOUS. Tell me something, what is so bad about fixing a ruined system? Section 8 has caused the crime rate and drug presence to rise. Don't argue that with me because it has happened in NE Philly. Doesn't matter about the race because as I said earlier people of ALL races are living in Section 8. When neighborhoods are falling apart, we need someone who is willing to FIX them.

And Section 8 isn't Melissa Brown's only issues. Her main focus is on Medical malpractice reform and tort reform something Schwartz can never match up to Brown on. So please don't sit there and say that Brown's only issue is Section 8.

With a Republican lead in both houses of Congress and the White House, why isn't the problem fixed?  And what makes you so sure Melissa Brown can single-handedly fix it?  I feel the PHA is better equipped to handle the problems locally.  Medical malpractice isn't an issue that voters are exactly 100% sympathetic towards doctors on.  What about patient's rights?  You have to remember that 40% of the population in the Northeast are elderly and I'm sure they want some kind of protection when a doctor f--ks up.    Her Bush loving antics as shown in the Northeast Times and her "eulogy" on Reagan shows this.  She was the only politican to praise Reagan's tax cuts in her "eulogy."  Other politicans were more classy.  I know I'm not the only one here catching on!  

Please, I'm begging you... GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR @SS!!  Where are you getting this information from?  Why can't you give me a reason WHY I should buy into these policies.  Honestly, I'm sure you go to Catholic school and you fall hook-line and sinker with their views.  Do you realize that anti-abortion issues skew against poorer women than wealthier ones.  I feel the Catholic church is severely out of touch with reality.  80% of Northeast Philadelphia Catholics agree with me on this. I will give you the courtesy of why I oppose Bush's tax cuts:

1.  The top rate has dropped dramatically from the Clinton Admintistration (39.6% to 35%) while the middle brackets were only a pittance compared to this.

2.  Pell grants and other federal financial aid dropped dramtically sicne the end of the Clinton Administration to pay for these reckless tax cuts.  When you get to college and your applying for financial aid, prepare for sticker shock with less financial aid than I had!

3.  Bush managed to squander a $1 trillion surplus into a $7 trillion deficit.  Who has this "phantom" money?  Wealthier people and foreign countires.  If we can't pay this, there is a potential national security issue here.  And of course a lot of this interest payable is tax free and not caught by the AMT.  I can post a whole other thread on the War.  Don't give me that argument.

If you or any YR can give me a better argument, I would love to hear it.  Somehow all I'm probably going to get from you is Section 8 and medical malpractice and Schwartz is too"liberal".  I think people are getting tired of hearing that smokescreened word to distort a canaidate.  

I am a lifelong Northeast Philadelphia resident and a proud Democrat.  I have a very good grasp of the issues both locally, nationally and abroad.  I also have a very good grasp of Catholic teaching (though I do not agree with a good portion of it).  I have a Bachelor's Degree in Accounting, a good understanding of federal, state, and lcoal tax laws, and work for the government.  

CONCLUSION: MELISSA BROWN IS WRONG FOR CONGRESS!!!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on June 18, 2004, 10:37:20 PM
I believe Allyson Schwartz will win this race and here's why:

-Although not directly in the district, both Nick Berg and Paul Johnson were from the Philly area and their executions has turned the region against the war, and hence voters will be less likely to support Bush Jr.

-Out here in the suburbs those who actually know Dr. Brown see her as having a mean, nasty personality (which may or may not be true, as I only know people who know her, I don't know her personally).

-She's not Ellen Bard.  I thought the GOP really blew their chance at the primaries by not electing Bard who is extremely popular in the 153rd with an 80% approval rating.

-Pat Toomey is off the ballot.  I think this will keep some of the neo-cons home on Election Day who would have voted for Brown.

-Hoeffel beat Brown at a time of historically high Presidential approval ratings, and now that the ratings have sagged considerably, I see a lot of those who perhaps backed Brown in 2002, switching to Schwartz.

However, Brown can also capitalize on the fact that Schwartz lives in Jenkintown which is slightly outside the 13th district (though gerrymandering didn't help look at the 8-13 border).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 10:42:00 PM
First off I'll ask, why can't you keep you're cool? You seem to flip out everytime this is brought up. Remain calm. We obviously disagree but I'll give you some reasons to support Brown...

1) Section 8. You know that it needs serious reform and you know it. Sending Schwartz to Congress won't help the reforming process

2) Medical Malpractice. Docs are being driven out of the state and we need to make sure our seniors don't have to worry whether or not their doctor will be able to stay in the area.

3) You dislike John Street yet you continue to back candidates that praise him in every way saying how great he is for the city. You and I know Street is not good for Philly, that's why people and buisness are leaving. Vote for someone that will fight for our area and won't throw her support behind someone that obviously isn't helping NE Philadelphians at all.

I really hope you consider supporting Brown because its for our own good.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 10:59:33 PM
First off I'll ask, why can't you keep you're cool? You seem to flip out everytime this is brought up. Remain calm. We obviously disagree but I'll give you some reasons to support Brown...

1) Section 8. You know that it needs serious reform and you know it. Sending Schwartz to Congress won't help the reforming process

2) Medical Malpractice. Docs are being driven out of the state and we need to make sure our seniors don't have to worry whether or not their doctor will be able to stay in the area.

3) You dislike John Street yet you continue to back candidates that praise him in every way saying how great he is for the city. You and I know Street is not good for Philly, that's why people and buisness are leaving. Vote for someone that will fight for our area and won't throw her support behind someone that obviously isn't helping NE Philadelphians at all.

I really hope you consider supporting Brown because its for our own good.

I only disagree with John Street because of the way he treated Mary Kohler and the fact he's racist.  I also don't like his "pay to play" system and the fact he's corrupt.  Believe me I needed about a gallon of Maalox after I voted Katz.  After I found out he bilked investors out of $2 million and a court forced him to pay people back, I would have withheld my vote there as well.  He would have been worse than Street IHMO.  I will definitely be pushing for Johnny Doc for mayor in 2007.    

Giving the Republicans the red carpet to Philadelphia will be a disaster.  Wall Street would have definitely downgraded our bond rating, which btw, is pretty decent.  I do not like John Perzel either.  I feel it is time to give him the boot from the 172nd district though I think Kearney is a weak candidate.  This guy is trying to use his power in the state legislature to hook up his buddies as well.  He is like a father who tells his 18 year old son not to have sex, yet he is having sex with a girl from his son's class.  Do you see what I'm saying?  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 11:06:23 PM
Unfortunatley for you, Perzel won't be leaving anytime soon. The district is safe for him. Katz would have been a great mayor for the city and there should be NO DOUBT that a change in city leadership (by electing Republicans) is needed, badly. As for 2007, I don't know who the GOP will be running. Rizzo has talked about it but possibly running as a Dem which I don't like. '99 and '03 were the GOP's years to take back City Hall. We came close in '99 and you know the story about last years campaign. 2007 is gonna be an uphill battle for us.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 18, 2004, 11:15:53 PM
Unfortunatley for you, Perzel won't be leaving anytime soon. The district is safe for him. Katz would have been a great mayor for the city and there should be NO DOUBT that a change in city leadership (by election Republicans) is needed, badly. As for 2007, I don't know who the GOP will be running. Rizzo has talked about it but possibly running as a Dem which I don't like. '99 and '03 were the GOP's years to take back City Hall. We came close in '99 and you know the story about last years campaign. 2007 is gonna be an uphill battle for us.

Actually in 2000, if his opponent only got 97 votes more, Perzel would have been unseated.  I feel the Democrats need a heavy hitter to unseat him.  That would put a huge blow in the PA GOP.  It's not impossible given the blue collar nature of the district.  The guy running against him works a third shift at a WaWa on Oxford Ave. in Fox Chase.  Not kidding!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 11:17:08 PM
You forgot about re-districting that occured after 2000. Yes, Perzel BARELY survived that election but his seat is now safe. In 2002, he won re-election with 88% of the vote.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: classical liberal on June 18, 2004, 11:27:16 PM
was he challenged by a Dem?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 11:28:35 PM
Yes he was


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 18, 2004, 11:32:30 PM
I'm sorry...alittle correction. Speaker Perzel won re-election over Democrat Paul Prior with 82% of the vote...not 88%.

PERZEL, JOHN M. (REP) 17,498
PRIOR, PAUL (DEM) 3,914


http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/district2.cgi?choice=STH&district=172&eyear=2002&etype=G




Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 12:20:44 AM
I hate to say it, I think the seat is safe as well.  Perzel can shower the district with grants like Santa Claus.  Of course no one that follows politics is going to question.  Like I said ebfore, we need a heavy hitter and a left-centrist to unseat him.  Not impossible though.  Tim Kearney is not it.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 12:22:58 AM
What % ya think he'll get against Perzel this year? It can't be much we know that.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 12:42:42 AM
What % ya think he'll get against Perzel this year? It can't be much we know that.

It will be higher say 35% due to Bush sinking and some people are lazy and will hit "straight Democratic".  My prediction:

Perzel: 65%
Kearney: 35%

Problem is the latter guy is invisible.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 12:44:48 AM
That seems about right though I could see Perzel doing alittle better.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 01:02:20 AM
That seems about right though I could see Perzel doing alittle better.

Thing is you have a lot of people that only vote in these elections and will vote Democratic not looking at the whole ticket.  A lot of people only hear about John Perzel here and there.  There are a lot of uninformed people that are only following the presidential races.  Another problem for Kearney is he's ultra-liberal and invisible.  If a more centrist Demcorat ran with some clout, the race would be much closer.  You really don't get to see debates between state rep candidates.  You'll maybe see some cable comerical on channel 70 or something like that.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 01:06:30 AM
I think even with a centrist Dem it would be hard to defeat Perzel. Think about it: He's one of the most powerful individuals in the entire Commonwealth. With the Speakership, full support from the state GOP, and tons of $$$, Perzel is unstoppable. The whole straight Dem ticket hurt him in 2000 but he still survived. After that 2000 election, however, he made sure that even with a straight Dem vote in November, his seat would be nice and safe for himself.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 01:10:21 AM
I think even with a centrist Dem it would be hard to defeat Perzel. Think about it: He's one of the most powerful individuals in the entire Commonwealth. With the Speakership, full support from the state GOP, and tons of $$$, Perzel is unstoppable. The whole straight Dem ticket hurt him in 2000 but he still survived. After that 2000 election, however, he made sure that even with a straight Dem vote in November, his seat would be nice and safe for himself.

Without a doubt.  He knows how to butter up unions as well.  I may not like him, but he knows what he's doing.  I'll even say this, the Democrats have a terrible maching in PA.  A lot of people in this state are pro-labor, yet the Republicans are carrying themselves quite nicely here.  The State legislature knew what they were doing when they installed Perzel as Speaker.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 02:09:16 AM
I believe Allyson Schwartz will win this race and here's why:

-Although not directly in the district, both Nick Berg and Paul Johnson were from the Philly area and their executions has turned the region against the war, and hence voters will be less likely to support Bush Jr.

-Out here in the suburbs those who actually know Dr. Brown see her as having a mean, nasty personality (which may or may not be true, as I only know people who know her, I don't know her personally).

-She's not Ellen Bard.  I thought the GOP really blew their chance at the primaries by not electing Bard who is extremely popular in the 153rd with an 80% approval rating.

-Pat Toomey is off the ballot.  I think this will keep some of the neo-cons home on Election Day who would have voted for Brown.

-Hoeffel beat Brown at a time of historically high Presidential approval ratings, and now that the ratings have sagged considerably, I see a lot of those who perhaps backed Brown in 2002, switching to Schwartz.

However, Brown can also capitalize on the fact that Schwartz lives in Jenkintown which is slightly outside the 13th district (though gerrymandering didn't help look at the 8-13 border).

Welcome to the forum.  Are you from the district?  I never met her personally, but she seems very cocky and belligerent.    I will say this:  Bard or Taubenberger would have got thrashed by either Democratic candidate.  Bard is an unknown in Northeast Philadelphia and Taubenberger only reasonates with die-hard Catholic neo-conservatives and to an extent the Fox Chase section of Philadelphia.  Brown hit the hot button in Northeast Philly and it gave her a lot of undue popularity.  I remember in 2002, Hoeffel had a commanding lead of 30 points early on when Bob Borski conceded.  Another person I forgot to mention in the "going to bat" process for Schwartz is former U.S. Rep. Bob Borski.  He is popular among voters in the Northeast and there are a lot of Poles here.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 02:43:34 AM
First off I'll ask, why can't you keep you're cool? You seem to flip out everytime this is brought up. Remain calm. We obviously disagree but I'll give you some reasons to support Brown...

1) Section 8. You know that it needs serious reform and you know it. Sending Schwartz to Congress won't help the reforming process

2) Medical Malpractice. Docs are being driven out of the state and we need to make sure our seniors don't have to worry whether or not their doctor will be able to stay in the area.

3) You dislike John Street yet you continue to back candidates that praise him in every way saying how great he is for the city. You and I know Street is not good for Philly, that's why people and buisness are leaving. Vote for someone that will fight for our area and won't throw her support behind someone that obviously isn't helping NE Philadelphians at all.

I really hope you consider supporting Brown because its for our own good.

I have given my opinions about all three of those things.  Maybe I was harsh in saying what I did, but people really need to wake up and see the whole picture.  This is beyond Democrat vs. Republican.  If theoretically John Street ran as a Democrat and Joe Torsella a Republican, I would obviously vote Torsella because he opposes a lot of Bush's policies and is a reasonable centrist.  Melissa Brown is an unapologetic supporter of this idiot president.  This Congressional Election is more than Section 8 and ok, Malpractice reform though you can argue a lot of things there.  Allyson Schwartz has addressed the real issue here- the insurance companies.  Melissa Brown is doing more to attack the patient.  You still aren't seeing why this election is even close or a possible win for her- Section 8!  

As for my post about why I disagree with Bush's tax cuts, you still haven't answered to that yet.  Please, read it again.  For being such a gung-ho GOPer, you should be able to answer that readily.  Say "The Bush tax cuts provided a lot of jobs."  Now dude you are asking me to even further squelch that argument.  

1.  Avg salary of jobs lost under Bush: $41,000
     "                           "gained"          ": $26,000

2.  5 million more Americans without health insurance

3.  As with Reaganomics, we are now seeing an increase in inflation.

4.  Social Security got raided to pay for these boneheaded tax cuts... Hmm, lots of seniors (40%) in Northeast Philly aren't there?

Ahh, yes another Melissa Brown quote "George Bush will get whatever he needs to fight the war in Iraq."

Does that mean $115 billion and counting?  Again, back to my tax cut post, who's footing the tab?  How about more Philadelphia area youth being beheaded?    

And do you think I'm really arrogant or dumb enough to trump
Section 8 over these issues?  NOPE!!

Please, keep it coming.  You will be in for a long, bumpy road this summer and fall with your thinking Melissa Brown is just going to coast here.  I will be on you harder than Brian Dawkins on Kerry Collins.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 07:26:10 AM
Oh ok now we have "real" unions. The firefighters are another reason why Brown will have enough support to win this election. Other possible unions backing her: the police and the Teamsters.

In response to one point you made it is not appropriate at all for you to say that Melissa Brown, a DOCTOR, is attacking the patients. Go visit her site. She lays out her plan and wants nothing but the best for our seniors. She knows much more about this than Allysone Schwartz.

I'm also glad that Brown made the statement saying that we will get what is needed to fight in Iraq and the war on terror. Unlike some that vote for the war and then not fund the troops and our actions.

As for a long bumpy road this summer I think it's the D's that will experience that. Remember, your candidate has to catch up with Brown. Come November 3rd you can say whatever you want about the campaign or the issues but the fact is that Melissa Brown will be our Congresswoman - elect.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 12:26:09 PM
Oh ok now we have "real" unions. The firefighters are another reason why Brown will have enough support to win this election. Other possible unions backing her: the police and the Teamsters.

In response to one point you made it is not appropriate at all for you to say that Melissa Brown, a DOCTOR, is attacking the patients. Go visit her site. She lays out her plan and wants nothing but the best for our seniors. She knows much more about this than Allysone Schwartz.

I'm also glad that Brown made the statement saying that we will get what is needed to fight in Iraq and the war on terror. Unlike some that vote for the war and then not fund the troops and our actions.

As for a long bumpy road this summer I think it's the D's that will experience that. Remember, your candidate has to catch up with Brown. Come November 3rd you can say whatever you want about the campaign or the issues but the fact is that Melissa Brown will be our Congresswoman - elect.

Well, she better lay off Bush.  I know Sam Katz did and he ran an excellent campaign.  Her campaign is getting grilled from the front, rear, and sides.  She has never held political office and already received a "Sleazy" award with Vince Fumo from an Inquirer writer.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 12:27:19 PM
Handzus, don't compare anyone to Fumo, please. That is just...low.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 12:30:36 PM
Handzus, don't compare anyone to Fumo, please. That is just...low.

Fumo's at least a good guy.  Like I said, fior not being in politics, Brown's pretty bad.  And yes please don't deny it, she is using the race card to get votes.  This is a NEw Jersey Devils trap a lot of Northeast voters are falling for and it's sad.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 12:36:49 PM
She is not playing the race card; she wants to fix a broken program and you know it needs fixing. And it most certainly isn't a trap. The voters of PA13 know that when they send Brown to Congress they're going to have an advocate. They're going to have a Congresswoman that will stand up to and be heard.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 12:41:00 PM
She is not playing the race card; she wants to fix a broken program and you know it needs fixing. And it most certainly isn't a trap. The voters of PA13 know that when they send Brown to Congress they're going to have an advocate. They're going to have a Congresswoman that will stand up to and be heard.

No, she's making the Northeast believe she's standing up for them then will turn around and knife them by supporting doctors, millionaires, and insurance companies (both medical and auto).  I can see right through it!  And that's another thing, how about the astronomical cost of auto insurance in Northeast Philly?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 19, 2004, 06:09:19 PM
Try to guess what the bottom of my singature means in English.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 07:27:56 PM
As for high auto insurance rates, blame that one on Mayor Street.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 07:29:43 PM
oh and I have no clue what it means in English next to your signature. Could it be Melissa Brown - Our Next Congresswoman? That would make sense if it did.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: zorkpolitics on June 19, 2004, 08:14:42 PM
After redistricting, the voters in this district favored Gore over Bush by 55% to 43%.  This will be a hard district for a Republican to win without a complete meltdown or scandle by the Democratic nominee.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 08:25:05 PM
The current PA13 has never voted in a Presidential election since the boundaries have been changed. The district changes took effect AFTER the 2000 race so these Bush/Gore numbers you are looking at are useless. Even in that situation were voters strongly disapporve of Bush, she still would do well. Look at '02: Rendell ran for Governor. He was EXTREMEMLY popular and won the district EASILY but look at the Congressional race from that year...

Hoeffel (D - incumbent) - 51%
Brown (R) - 47%
McDermott (C) - 2%

No complete meltdown, no scandal. The people of the district agree with Brown on many issues and they like her. Plus, Hoeffel was an incumbent. Schwartz doesn't have that power or the name ID. PA13 is going to be a GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 09:27:13 PM
Mike Fisher is a great guy! Sure he isn't the best campaigner but he deserved that job unlike Rendell. Fisher dedicated his public life to this state serving as a State Rep., State Sen., and Attorney General. He was a powerful Attorney General that led an aggressive fight to get drugs of our streets and out of the neighborhoods. You're taxes wouldn't have been raised if he was elected. Too bad he isn't our Governor...we would be much better off. So don't mess with Mike Fisher!

And as for the last Governor's race, Rendell would have beaten any Republican, unfortunatley, here in PA13 back in '02. You can't blame Fisher for not winning here; its an area where Rendell was truely admired. So I'll stick with the observation that Brown did excellent in an area where Rendell won overwhelmingly. She had to get voters to split their ticket here and to do that with Rendell at the top, no matter who Rendell would have ran against, is an accomplishment.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: zorkpolitics on June 19, 2004, 09:37:37 PM
The current PA13 has never voted in a Presidential election since the boundaries have been changed. The district changes took effect AFTER the 2000 race so these Bush/Gore numbers you are looking at are useless.

Not useless at all, the numbers cited are for the current district,  they are the result of using the 2000 results for the precincts that are now in the current 13th.  Thus the 55% to 43% reflects the voter leanings of the current district.  Given that Gore won PA by 4%, the 13th is more Democratic than the state as a whole.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 09:44:12 PM
If the district was pro Gore by 12%, why did Brown come within 4% of an incumbent? This election, with Brown's high name ID and stances on the issues, she clearly has the edge. The thing is that most Dems just don't want to admit that she does.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: classical liberal on June 19, 2004, 11:03:00 PM
If the district was pro Gore by 12%, why did Brown come within 4% of an incumbent?

The GOP's numbers in 2002 were inflated from the runup to war by at least 5 points across the board with a higher inflation in more conservative areas.  The 4 point margin would have probably been around 10 without the inflation.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 11:23:26 PM
So you're saying that without Bush's popularity, Brown would have gotten 42% of the vote? I don't buy that theory for a minute.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: classical liberal on June 19, 2004, 11:30:51 PM
Do you know what Bush's numbers were back in 2002?  He had like +60 approval in PA during the midterms.  That's around +55 points higher than it is now. You can't say that his popularity didn't spill over into the House races.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2004, 11:36:38 PM
You can't tell me though that Melissa Brown would have received only about 40% without Bush's approval ratings. 2002's PA13 race was like a lot of races...mostly local. Section 8 reform, Medical malpractice, tort reform... these are local issues and that is what this election will be decided on. Sure Kerry on the ticket helps Schwartz out but remember Schwartz has to catch up to Brown, not vice versa. Brown is known and liked up here. Once again, 2004 PA13 - GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: classical liberal on June 20, 2004, 12:39:33 AM
You can't tell me though that Melissa Brown would have received only about 40% without Bush's approval ratings.

I'm saying that she'd have gotten 44% rather than 47% without Bush's approval ratings.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 20, 2004, 02:47:15 AM
You can't tell me though that Melissa Brown would have received only about 40% without Bush's approval ratings. 2002's PA13 race was like a lot of races...mostly local. Section 8 reform, Medical malpractice, tort reform... these are local issues and that is what this election will be decided on. Sure Kerry on the ticket helps Schwartz out but remember Schwartz has to catch up to Brown, not vice versa. Brown is known and liked up here. Once again, 2004 PA13 - GOP pickup.

As I have said before, why didn't she win in 2002?  There were a lot of Schwartz and Torsella signs all around the Northeast.  Just look at the major arteries (Roosevelt Blvd, Cottman Ave, Old York Rd, 309 exit ramps, etc.).  Brown was nowhere close to that.  If people ehre are so pasioante about getting her elected, why did Schwartz's road signs outnumber all the Republicans combined?Believe me Bush is hurting her plus the Democratic machines will crank into overdrive.  The Republicans aren't going to waste their time on this seat.  They have their work cut out from them holding onto PA-6 and 15 plus the Senate(not PA, but other states).  I'll admit Brown hit the right button at the right time, but that has become deflated these past 2 years.  Housing prices have risen all across the district and even those parts of the NE that slip into Brady's (PA-1) district.  I think Section 8 is more off the table than it was 2 years ago.  Plus this is a national election and Schwartz will remind us of that.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 20, 2004, 10:17:36 AM
Exactly Handzus. Thanks for bringing the signs up. Schwartz littered the Northeast with THOUSANDS of signs; it was absolutley ridiculous. Right before the primary in the NE times, someone wrote in complaining about the amount of signs she had. People don't like looking out their front window, across the street to see signs placed all along the traffic median not even 3 ft apart from each other. It annoys people and that letter proved it.

2002 she came close to beating an incumbent Congressman but this year, with the open seat, she's going to take it. Yep, PA13 - GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on June 20, 2004, 12:55:19 PM
Schwartz's best weapon = DeLay and Hastert

all Schwartz needs to do is remind people that a vote for Brown is a vote to keep DeLay and Hastert in power, and keep their extremist right wing agenda running.

And Brown is supporting Bush. If she was smart she'd at least not endorse either side.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 20, 2004, 02:12:11 PM
Schwartz's best weapon = DeLay and Hastert

all Schwartz needs to do is remind people that a vote for Brown is a vote to keep DeLay and Hastert in power, and keep their extremist right wing agenda running.

And Brown is supporting Bush. If she was smart she'd at least not endorse either side.

Thank you!  Sam Katz who ran as a Republican for mayor in Philadelphia last year kept a very good distance from Bush and Santorum.  I might add his campaign was excellent and a lot of staunch Democrats crossed the fence to vote for him.  Brown is embracing these @ssholes and despite Section 8, it will hurt her.  KP as I have said before I and many people I'm close to had to leave the area because of the gross mismangement of the program.  Many of these same people though do not like Bush and I think it woud be in her best interest if she stayed away from him and stopped singing his praises.  BRTD, from a local perspective Joe Torsella would have been a much better candidate.  His moderation on social issues plus the fact he was BORN, RAISED AND STILL LIVES in the area and that would have helped tremendously.  He would have made Brown look foolish, but then again Brown is doing that already.  For reference, this is what I think would happen given each matchup:

Schwartz/Brown- NCF, lean Schwartz.  GOP's best matchup and is lucky this is still competitive.
Schwartz/Bard- lean Schwartz
Schwartz/Taubenberger- lean/strong Schwatz.  I think Nancy Pelosi could beat him even in a centrist district like ours.

Torsella/Brown- lean/strong Torsella
Torsella/Bard- NCF, lean Torsella.  Bard would do excellent in Montco.
Torsella/Taubenberger- VERY Strong Torsella.  Worst case for GOP.  Taubenberger would be recommended to drop out already!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 20, 2004, 10:19:33 PM
I agree with you, Handzus, that Bard and Taubenberger wouldn't have been able to beat Torsella or Schwartz  (though Taubenberger MIGHT have been able to barely win against Schwartz) but my opinion isn't changing. Brown will win.

And as for Brown looking foolish, when did you come to that conclusion. She's got the edge on Schwartz and you know it.

Schwartz could score points by saying that electing Brown would keep the "far-right" in power but the people aren't stupid. She would then have to explain her situation...being a far-left, Pelosi-like Democrat. The people of PA13 don't want a member from an extreme wing. Brown is NOT extreme at all, Schwartz is. Brown wins in November, GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 20, 2004, 10:57:17 PM
I agree with you, Handzus, that Bard and Taubenberger wouldn't have been able to beat Torsella or Schwartz  (though Taubenberger MIGHT have been able to barely win against Schwartz) but my opinion isn't changing. Brown will win.

And as for Brown looking foolish, when did you come to that conclusion. She's got the edge on Schwartz and you know it.

Schwartz could score points by saying that electing Brown would keep the "far-right" in power but the people aren't stupid. She would then have to explain her situation...being a far-left, Pelosi-like Democrat. The people of PA13 don't want a member from an extreme wing. Brown is NOT extreme at all, Schwartz is. Brown wins in November, GOP pickup.

One thing I can say about Schwartz is she's excellent at explaining things.  She has to move to the center socially though.  You are right, this matchup is the best chance for a GOP pickup, but I still think Schwartz will still pull it off.  I thought Torsella had it in the primary given his moderation and on the local level, Torsella seemed to have more popularity plus what every paper was saying the "winnability" factor.  I must say this is Schwartz's lucky year because of what I and others have been saying about keeping the far-right in power.  If this matchup occurred in 2000 or 2002, Schwartz would be toast.  This is 2004 though, but I also realize this is not San Francisco either.  Then again right wing extremists are getting too powerful and people here know it.  I stand by my previous analysis.  I would have loved to see Torsella v. Taubenberger :).  That would have been a pulverization.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 20, 2004, 11:04:42 PM
I agree that Torsella vs. Taubenberger would have been an easy win for Torsella. Any idea to what % Torsella would get in this scenario?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 20, 2004, 11:09:08 PM
I agree that Torsella vs. Taubenberger would have been an easy win for Torsella. Any idea to what % Torsella would get in this scenario?

Torsella (D): 66%
Taubenberger (R): 32%
Nutso 3rd party (probably Const.): 2%

Speaking of nutso 3rd party, staunch pro-lifers have an alternative.  This person will have some, but minor clout in this election.  I'm thinking that maybe 3, amybe 4%.  He could be our Nader!! :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 21, 2004, 10:26:01 AM
Torsella wouldn't get THAT MUCH support. And as for the third party candidate in this election, he's a Libertarian who won't make much of a difference. McDermott, who ran in 2002 for Congress and tried to run for mayor in '03, was a staunch pro-lifer but is NOT on the ballot this year. Sorry, Handzus, but no Republican votes taken away from Brown this year :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 21, 2004, 12:27:13 PM
Torsella wouldn't get THAT MUCH support. And as for the third party candidate in this election, he's a Libertarian who won't make much of a difference. McDermott, who ran in 2002 for Congress and tried to run for mayor in '03, was a staunch pro-lifer but is NOT on the ballot this year. Sorry, Handzus, but no Republican votes taken away from Brown this year :)

Taubenberger's a dud.  He has no chance period!  He would lose to Nancy Pelosi in this district and don't try to tell me Schwartz is that far to the left.  There are a fair number of far-left people in this district as much as there are old men that subscribe to the Catholic Standard and Times.  The moderates would go Pelosi.  As for teh 3rd party, I rememebr reading in the Northeast Times he's a staunch pro-lifer.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 21, 2004, 01:00:07 PM
yeah Handzus I think you were reading a NE Times from 2002. McDermott ran that year and won 2% of the vote. HE was a staunch pro lifer. I doubt this Libertarian guy is a pro-lifer because, like NewFederalist stated, there aren't many of them. Not to say that pro-lifers don't exist in the Libertarian party, it's just that I doubt he is. He won't make an impact on this race, anyway.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 21, 2004, 01:01:22 PM
Oh and there is NO WAY Taubenberger would lose to Nancy Pelosi. You know that isn't true.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 21, 2004, 01:03:12 PM
Oh and there is NO WAY Taubenberger would lose to Nancy Pelosi. You know that isn't true.

He would most definitely lose to Schwartz, Hoeffel, and get pulverized by Torsella.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 21, 2004, 01:08:49 PM
You made the statement that he'd lose to Pelosi and that is NOT TRUE. He'd lose to Hoeffel and Torsella but Schwartz...I'm not sure. Point is though, he would not lose to Pelosi.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: m3talsmith on June 21, 2004, 04:13:33 PM
Really only like half and half: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Badnarik


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 22, 2004, 02:35:38 AM
You made the statement that he'd lose to Pelosi and that is NOT TRUE. He'd lose to Hoeffel and Torsella but Schwartz...I'm not sure. Point is though, he would not lose to Pelosi.

Forgot one thing.. Pelosi's a GILF!  Hard as anything to find MILF's let alone GILF's.  Yes, she's a grandma.  How often do you see that!  Taubenberger is way far to the right and is not very good looking(not to be gay) plus the district is left-center and Pelosi is very articulate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 22, 2004, 10:05:27 AM
Handzus, that post was wrong in so many ways.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 23, 2004, 01:50:30 AM
I'll still agree with you that Section 8 has ruined a lot of neighborhoods in Northeast Philadelphia, but the program has good intentions.  I just think it's unfair that a lot of people aren't accountable for taking care of their places and in some cases people buying the home at a much cheaper price than the rest of us.  The program was meant to give people a second chance, not for an alternative way of life.  I can see people who are disabled or seniors not being subject to inspections, but others have some serious problems.  I feel Joe Hoeffel and Jonathan Saidel have addressed the need for stricter enforcement of abusive tenants quite well.

If not for the Democratic party, Philadelphia would be much worse off.  Labor unions and higher wages have increased the standard of living across the board.  Unions are still strong here, but the Democratic party is also reaching out to college students and graduates who can't find dedcent jobs with high loans.  As a result of the Bush Administration, college costs have risen by 35% and Pell Grants hgave decreased.  You will be experiencing this in what 1 or 2 years.  I feel bad for you guys.  The Bush Adminsitration has really raked you guys over coals here.  Under the Clinton Administration college was very accessible.

I understand you want a better Philadelphia as do I, but being a right-wing reactionary isn't going to solve anything.  I tend to look at things from a broader perspective then make an educated decision and I trust you will.  I have my reasons for voting Democratic as you have yours for voting Republican.  I'm just basically telling you mine for being a Democrat and voting for Allyson Schwartz come November.  It's great there is someone in here from my area to discuss this with and beleive me you have had some excellent posts.

On the subject of Pelosi...    Gotta admit she's hot for her age!  Come on have a little fun here!  Gotta admit Melissa Brown's cute too, just not voting for her :).  You sound like you're a real serious conservative.                        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 23, 2004, 03:12:55 AM
I do think a big problem for America's cities and rural areas is that they're one party dominated.

I think cities would be better off if they had credible opposition parties...just winning mayor isn't enough...

Philly would benefit immensely from a Green or a Republican party thats able to challenge the Democrats for occasional majority status on city council. Doesn't have to be all of the time...but just enough to keep things honest and efficient.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 23, 2004, 01:55:21 PM
I do think a big problem for America's cities and rural areas is that they're one party dominated.

I think cities would be better off if they had credible opposition parties...just winning mayor isn't enough...

Philly would benefit immensely from a Green or a Republican party thats able to challenge the Democrats for occasional majority status on city council. Doesn't have to be all of the time...but just enough to keep things honest and efficient.

I could agree to that.  Look at Giuliani's New York.  Man did he ever trun that city around yet many New Yawkers voted fro Gore and Democratic Senators.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 24, 2004, 01:34:49 PM
KP, did you read the Northeast Times yesterday.  Yep, HE'S BAACK!!!  You know that extreme right Constitutionalist McDermott.  I hope the hardcore pro-lifers vote for him to take away from Brown.  Oh well!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2004, 03:07:16 PM
McDermott won't have much impact since Al Taubenberger, former candidate for the GOP nomination and pro-lifer, will be helping Brown during the campaign. PA13 - still GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 01:29:29 AM
Let me ask you this...  How do you think Brown is going to answer for Bush considering the fact a lot of people here think he screwed up?  I think the rally at Fort Washington did more to hurt Brown than anything.  As I have said before, Sam Katz knew to keep his distance and he STILL got crushed.  Melissa Brown has not, she shoves his policies down our throats expecting us to readily accept them with the exception of a few social ones.  If she continues on the path she's going supporting Bush, she's toast!  I think people are more willing to table Section 8 if they see the wealthy getting breaks more so than them.  This is more of a factor in the Northeast than it is Montogmery Co. and you know it.  Melissa Brown will have to explain herself.  Schwartz does not have that burden.  Still tossup, lean Schwartz unless Bush skyrockets in ratings.    

I hate to beat a dead horse here, but where are you coming up with such baseless conclusions about Joe Hoeffel and the Democratic party.  I'm a Democrat yet I can discuss with you which members have issues.  You on the other hand have been an advertising parrot for Melissa Brown and the Republican party.  "Section 8... tort reform... medical malpractice.... Section 8... tort reform... TAX CUTS... Section 8".  Can you come up with any original ideas as to why you unabashedly support these people?  I'll break it down for you:

Section 8-  What do you think Melissa Brown will do different than what Joe Hoeffel and Jon Saidel have already done?  Considering there is a Republican president and both houses of Congress, do you think (honestly) the Northeast would be any different if Melissa Brown were in COngress right now?  I DON'T!    

Tax cuts-  Unless you live in Pine Valley or certain parts of Somerton or Morrell Park (or have a shore home in Margate we don't know about), Bush's tax cuts are not likely to benefit many people from the Northeast when looking at them in aggregate terms.  Considering the drastic increase in costs for federal and city health benefits, the tax cuts have done nothing to offest this for the incomes most people here receive.  Not to mention the drastic cuts our lcoal governments had to take as a result.  I have harped on college costs before and beleive me you will be in for the shock of your life in a few years unless you have perfect SAT's.  Tiuiton costs have increased 35% since Bush took office.  I do beleive this is a correlation to Bush' tax cuts.  I could give you a macroeconomic analysis that could take all day, but I'm giving you an idea of why I do not buy the Republican ticket on this issue.      

Tort reform/malpractice-  Form your own opinion of that.  Do you side with the doctors or the patients/lawyers?  I think the doctors are whiny @ssholes in this case that are going after the wrong people because it's easier than attacking the bad decisions of insurance companies IMO.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 25, 2004, 04:21:51 AM
McDermott won't have much impact since Al Taubenberger, former candidate for the GOP nomination and pro-lifer, will be helping Brown during the campaign. PA13 - still GOP pickup.

I wouldn't be so confident that this seat is a GOP pickup.

The GOP has tried for years to get it, redrawn it to help themselves, but still can't win.

With Kerry likely to do well in the district, the coattails will probably be enough for the Ds to hold it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 25, 2004, 09:46:55 AM
Melissa Brown is not pounding us with a pro-bush campaign. She is bringing out points that the people in the district like. Tax Cuts, buddy, my family is by no means wealthy and we benefited from the tax cut. Even IF the tax cut didn't benefit my family much, I would much rather that small cut as opposed to the increase Kerry has proposed. Yes, he has proposed an increase on folks richer than me but the more you tax them, the less those rich people have to spend on hiring people hence losing jobs. Melissa Brown is a doctor, we are facing a terrible health care crisis in our country. When a vote comes up on the floor, Ally wont have time to call her hubby to ask him how to vote. Melissa is a former educator. Considering our nations education problems, we need an educator in Congress. Melissa Brown is a small business owner. Even though the economy is experiencing a mini boom, we still need people there who know how to create jobs. The only jobs Ally knows how to create are those who perform Partial Birth Murder. Melissa Brown outlines plans for a Patients Bill of Rights, she outlined plans on how to remedy Roosevelt Boulevard, she outlined medical plans and social security plans. Allyson Schwartz has outlined a liberal campaign. sad sad sad. Please tell me, why is Allyson more quallified than Melissa to go to congress? You keep saying Melissa only talks about Section 8 but I just showed you why thats not true... oh yea, when was the last time you heard her talk about section 8?

And if Melissa did not attend the Bush rally, she would have no chance at winning because she needs the president to win. He will stay away from her publicly but you know in a swing district, she needs his "behind the scenes" support. Without it she wouldn't have any chance.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: W in 2004 on June 25, 2004, 09:57:14 AM
Didn’t Melissa Brown run for something before?  I think Charlie Dent, who is running for the 15th congressional district is a RINO (Republican in name only).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 25, 2004, 10:01:57 AM
She ran for the OLD 13th Seat in 98, lost big in the primary. Wanted to run in 00 but did not for the sake of party unity. She was not planning on running again but after the district was re-drawn, she ran in 02. Once Borski got out and Hoeffel was the Dem nominee, Melissa was NOT supposed to win. She came within 3.5 points of beating him. This time, she will win. Torsella's folks are supporting Melissa.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 12:01:31 PM
I find it extremely unfortunate, Handzus, that you just can't admit when you're going to lose a race. PA13 is lost for the Dems and that's it.

I bring up major issues that Brown is focusing on and yet you think that I keep bringing up the same thing all the time. And what issues has Schwartz focused on of importantce to the district? That she isn't a Bush fan? Ok??? The people of the 13th district want things done, wanted Section 8 REFORMED, want their doctors to stay in the state and Brown is focusing on that. Schwartz not being a Bush fan is not an issue to the voters.

PA13, whether the Dems like it or not, is still a GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on June 25, 2004, 12:03:44 PM
I find it extremely unfortunate, Handzus, that you just can't admit when you're going to lose a race. PA13 is lost for the Dems and that's it.

I bring up major issues that Brown is focusing on and yet you think that I keep bringing up the same thing all the time. And what issues has Schwartz focused on of importantce to the district? That she isn't a Bush fan? Ok??? The people of the 13th district want things done, wanted Section 8 REFORMED, want their doctors to stay in the state and Brown is focusing on that. Schwartz not being a Bush fan is not an issue to the voters.

PA13, whether the Dems like it or not, is still a GOP pickup.

Don't count your chickens until they've hatched.

Your running someone who's already lost once, in a district that despite being tailor made for a Republican--went democratic, and in an Presidential election year, where Kerry will certainly out poll Bush in the district.

13 leans democratic...ever so slightly. No amount of wishful thinking will make it otherwise.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 05:39:46 PM
She ran for the OLD 13th Seat in 98, lost big in the primary. Wanted to run in 00 but did not for the sake of party unity. She was not planning on running again but after the district was re-drawn, she ran in 02. Once Borski got out and Hoeffel was the Dem nominee, Melissa was NOT supposed to win. She came within 3.5 points of beating him. This time, she will win. Torsella's folks are supporting Melissa.

You're partially right that there will be SOME Torsella folks that will support Melissa, though not many.  You also have to remember the Bard folks that will support Schwartz.  This is a strange district.  Just because one person in your backyard gave an opinion, doesn't mean it's the rule.  The statistics do not favor Brown here.  She has some explaining to do.  I'll admit I looked at Brown after Torsella lost but after I found out some more, I backed right off.  If she were like Specter, I would definitely consdier her, but she is on Bush' jock strap and you know it and it will hurt her bigtime!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 05:43:10 PM
Speaking of Lautenberg, I think Schwartz should do a poll and if she's down by more than 5 rigth now, she should pull a "Lautenberg" and put Torsella in her place.  There is no reason the GOP should pick PA-13 up unless the candidate is THAT liberal.  I choked after Torsella lost, I'll admit it.  He was the better candidate, but please remember this is not 2002.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 06:55:56 PM
Handzus, you should really consider Brown. You know what needs fixing in this district. Atleast consider it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 07:50:52 PM
Handzus, you should really consider Brown. You know what needs fixing in this district. Atleast consider it.

I have considered it.  I'm voting Schwartz!  My mind is made up.  I gave Brown a second look after Torsella lost and I don't like what I'm seeing.  I'll admit I was very worried this seat may fall into GOP hands after Torsella lost, but I think Brown is getting a lot of criticism in the Inquirer and NE Times to an extent and her stump in Fort Washington may in fact hurt her.  I'm not a 100% fan of Schwartz, but I can honestly say I find her principled.  Brown is a dirty, canniving campaigner and she is not winning me over right now.  I don't think she knows the Northeast as well as you think she does.  She looks like someone that's desperate for votes and will do anything to get them.  When I sat down and thought about it for a little bit, I came up with this conclusion.  I'd rather have a far-leftie that's principled and is acting like a representative rather than a moderate right that's canniving and sucking up to someone I don't particularly like right now.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 07:57:26 PM
Melissa Brown knows the Northeast. She's spent a lot of time here and knows what issues are important to the NE voters.

Brown will make a great congresswoman and hopefully you will realize she is the best for this district.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 08:52:04 PM
Melissa Brown knows the Northeast. She's spent a lot of time here and knows what issues are important to the NE voters.

Brown will make a great congresswoman and hopefully you will realize she is the best for this district.

Some of your posts have me laughing.  The fact that you and a lot of people in the Northeast can't see through this garbage is pathetic.  For being such cynical sports fans, I'm surprised people aren't telling that princessy doctor to go take a hike!  Really, Joe Torsella fits the character and ideals of this district the best, I'll admit, but a lot of people aren't seeing what's wrong with Melissa Brown.  She'll say anything to get your vote then will likely represent the doctors and millionaires who are paying her.  Don't want to piss them off, eh?  The methods she is using to get our votes wants to make me vomit.          


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 25, 2004, 09:03:36 PM
Melissa Brown knows the Northeast. She's spent a lot of time here and knows what issues are important to the NE voters.

Brown will make a great congresswoman and hopefully you will realize she is the best for this district.

Some of your posts have me laughing.  The fact that you and a lot of people in the Northeast can't see through this garbage is pathetic.  For being such cynical sports fans, I'm surprised people aren't telling that princessy doctor to go take a hike!  Really, Joe Torsella fits the character and ideals of this district the best, I'll admit, but a lot of people aren't seeing what's wrong with Melissa Brown.  She'll say anything to get your vote then will likely represent the doctors and millionaires who are paying her.  Don't want to piss them off, eh?  The methods she is using to get our votes wants to make me vomit.          

Are you kidding me?! whats fake about her? The fact that shes going to give up a very lucrative medical career to make 150k a year in congress? Granted, thats a lot of money but it pales in comparison to her current salary. Melissa Brown does not have to care about us but the fact that she has run so much shows that she does care. Why would she risk being called a racist and fight section 8? Why else would she give up all of her money to be a congresswoman? Why else is she standing up against Mayor Street for trying to cut the funding to Firemen? Tell me son, what is wrong with fighting for Docs? We NEED them. We dont need greedy trial lawyers. Melissa Brown DOES NOT NEED TO RUN FOR CONGRESS. She is making tons of money and has a very comfortable live that she will be giving up to run for congress. Allyson Schwartz has not outlined any plans, and she thinks she will win by running on her record. If she is relying on her liberal voting record then she better get out now! Melissa is most qualified to go to congress, especially more qualified than Schwartz - that is why you Dems are so scared right now. God Bless Melissa Brown!!!!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 09:21:29 PM
Hey Handzus, tell me who you think honestly cares about this district more: The doctor who has lived here longer and has run for office, focusing on issues that matter most to people here OR the far-left state senator who just recently moved into the district for political power?

Melissa Brown has lived, worked and raised a family here. Schwartz saw a political opportunity and decided to move in. Give me a break, Handzus. You know what's right for this district and who the real fighter is.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 09:57:56 PM
Melissa Brown knows the Northeast. She's spent a lot of time here and knows what issues are important to the NE voters.

Brown will make a great congresswoman and hopefully you will realize she is the best for this district.

Some of your posts have me laughing.  The fact that you and a lot of people in the Northeast can't see through this garbage is pathetic.  For being such cynical sports fans, I'm surprised people aren't telling that princessy doctor to go take a hike!  Really, Joe Torsella fits the character and ideals of this district the best, I'll admit, but a lot of people aren't seeing what's wrong with Melissa Brown.  She'll say anything to get your vote then will likely represent the doctors and millionaires who are paying her.  Don't want to piss them off, eh?  The methods she is using to get our votes wants to make me vomit.          

Are you kidding me?! whats fake about her? The fact that shes going to give up a very lucrative medical career to make 150k a year in congress? Granted, thats a lot of money but it pales in comparison to her current salary. Melissa Brown does not have to care about us but the fact that she has run so much shows that she does care. Why would she risk being called a racist and fight section 8? Why else would she give up all of her money to be a congresswoman? Why else is she standing up against Mayor Street for trying to cut the funding to Firemen? Tell me son, what is wrong with fighting for Docs? We NEED them. We dont need greedy trial lawyers. Melissa Brown DOES NOT NEED TO RUN FOR CONGRESS. She is making tons of money and has a very comfortable live that she will be giving up to run for congress. Allyson Schwartz has not outlined any plans, and she thinks she will win by running on her record. If she is relying on her liberal voting record then she better get out now! Melissa is most qualified to go to congress, especially more qualified than Schwartz - that is why you Dems are so scared right now. God Bless Melissa Brown!!!!!

Listen to me SON, why do you think I'm on here diming you and Keystone Phil out?  It's because you and your buddy buy into this mind-numbing propaganda and call it fact.  Melissa Brown would have never heard about Section 8 unless some of the Philly GOP told her about it.  The GOP is trying to get their paws into anything they can.  And you don'tr think Melissa Brown is going to get kickbacks from this?  THINK AGAIN!!  The prestige of being in Congress is why a lot of people run.  Why would I want a Congressman or woman who unabashedly supports tax cuts for the wealthy?  Why would I want someone that thinks this facist @sshole in the White House deserves all the money he needs for his needless war games?  As I have said before the city and state have more power than her to stop Section 8.  Why do we need another GOP Congressperson to do this?  You guys have enough of them.  And is the problem solved? NO.  Melissa Brown will do no different to Joe Hoeffel has already done and nor can she.  Do you honestly think Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz thinks Section 8 is an alternative lifestyle and should be tolerated?  NO!! They would be foolish to think that.  Is it such a bad program to give someone a second chance provided they don't abuse it? NO.  Do I mind it for the elderly or diabled? NO!

On tax cuts, energy indpendence, the military, and most issues, I support Allyson Schwartz.  END OF STORY!!! You must think you are going to convert me... ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 25, 2004, 10:09:51 PM
Son, grow up and look at the FACTS!!! City and State has more control over Section 8??? Its a Federal Program, son! Joe Hoeffel and Ally Schwartz is not/will not be tough on Section 8 because everyone on Section 8 are Democrats! Melissa Brown will be able to, and will, work to put Section 8 on hold until it can be fixed!

As for your "kick back and prestige" comments, you are right and wrong. Yes, Melissa will gain Prestige, but please, tell me what kind of kick backs can she (a millionaire) possibly get that will equal anything she can get on her own and get easier?! Your a dud!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 10:15:42 PM
Son, grow up and look at the FACTS!!! City and State has more control over Section 8??? Its a Federal Program, son! Joe Hoeffel and Ally Schwartz is not/will not be tough on Section 8 because everyone on Section 8 are Democrats! Melissa Brown will be able to, and will, work to put Section 8 on hold until it can be fixed!

As for your "kick back and prestige" comments, you are right and wrong. Yes, Melissa will gain Prestige, but please, tell me what kind of kick backs can she (a millionaire) possibly get that will equal anything she can get on her own and get easier?! Your a dud!

I'm sorry you are really f**king stupid!!  SIEG HEIL!! HEIL MELISSA BROWN!!  RAH!! RAH!!! RAH!! SECTION 8 BAD!!! REPUBLICANS GOOD!! RAW!!!!  STREET BLACK!!! STREET DEMOCRAT!!! DEMOCRAT BAD!!! DEMOCRAT LIKE SECTION 8!!!

When your paying out your @ss for college, don't come crying about how you got little financial aid.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 10:17:59 PM
so much anger, Handzus. Calm down. So you're going to lose PA13. Atleast you'll have a good member of Congress.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 10:22:06 PM
so much anger, Handzus. Calm down. So you're going to lose PA13. Atleast you'll have a good member of Congress.

It's the city and state that controls how Section 8 is run.  Yes, Section 8 is federally funded, but the problem isn't funding, it's landlord-tenant rules.  What will Melissa Brown do different?  NOTHING!!  Sorry to be angry, but you are really buying into to mind numbing BS propagnada and speaking down to me because you think I'm a destructive liberal.  I'd rather be a liberal than support Bush's moronic policies!    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeenGOP on June 25, 2004, 10:22:11 PM
Yes, Street is Black... so are Allan Keys Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas. I know you Dems in Philly love to call us racist for not liking someone who happens to be black but that has nothing to do with their poor ability. If we were racist, Thomas wouldnt be on the court and Keys and Cain wouldnt be some of the most conservative folks alive.
Yes, Section 8 is bad. It is bringing down property value and bringing crime into otherwise good neighborhoods.
No, not all Democrats are bad. Jim Kenney and Mike Nutter are great democrats.
Well I am glad you got your point out there. And I would also like to congratulate you on proving me wrong. Wait, I did that to you! Tell me, what have I ever said that was ed up or incorrect?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 25, 2004, 10:27:51 PM
so much anger, Handzus. Calm down. So you're going to lose PA13. Atleast you'll have a good member of Congress.

  Yes, Section 8 is federally funded, but the problem isn't funding, it's landlord-tenant rules.  What will Melissa Brown do different?  NOTHING!!  

Handzus, to say that Melissa Brown will do nothing different when it comes to pressure on the Section 8 program just shows that you know NOTHING about the candidate or her views.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 25, 2004, 10:28:01 PM
Yes, Street is Black... so are Allan Keys Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas. I know you Dems in Philly love to call us racist for not liking someone who happens to be black but that has nothing to do with their poor ability. If we were racist, Thomas wouldnt be on the court and Keys and Cain wouldnt be some of the most conservative folks alive.
Yes, Section 8 is bad. It is bringing down property value and bringing crime into otherwise good neighborhoods.
No, not all Democrats are bad. Jim Kenney and Mike Nutter are great democrats.
Well I am glad you got your point out there. And I would also like to congratulate you on proving me wrong. Wait, I did that to you! Tell me, what have I ever said that was ed up or incorrect?

It's not that Street is black.  It's the blind association people make with Street and Democrats in general.  You seem not to bring in the blackness, but unfortunately people do and I was just bringing it to light.  Mike Nutter is a great Dem as well.  So is Joe Hoeffel, Ed Rendell, Allyson Schwartz, and John Kerry.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 01, 2004, 01:10:19 AM
I just talked to someone about Section 8 today who actually works in that department.  Here's a run down of how it's actually run.  You're right it is federal funded.  However, it is for the states to decide whether they want it and for the local government to manage it.  

Ok, Mr.SmartyPants GOP, what is Melissa Brown proposing on doing to stem Section 8 in Northeast Philadelphia??  I haven't seen anything on her website or the papers that is different that any other candidate.  Someone must have drilled in your little head that a Democrat will automatically let Section 8 run rampant and not feel anything for Northeast Philly homeowners.  Most of what has been coming out of your mouth suggests that.  Do you honestly think if Allyson Schwartz is confromted with the question of Section 8 housing she'll say "It's a well-managed program and our more fortunate neighbors should be tolerant of whatever challenges the tenant presents"?  Come on buddy, even some of her most ardent suppoters such as Jon Saidel and Joe Hoeffel have addressed this issue rather harshly and I don't think she's that stupid.  

I think I have stated my other concerns quite clearly in here and you can see why I'm voting for Allyson Schwartz in November.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 16, 2004, 08:40:30 PM
Hey, KP.  Keep all PA-13 posts to here.  Has potential to be a hot topic with our home district getting a ton of play in here :)!!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on July 16, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
How did Schwartz beat Torsella in the primary?  That is beyond me.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 16, 2004, 09:35:59 PM
How did Schwartz beat Torsella in the primary?  That is beyond me.

Where's that BAN function they have on IRC?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on July 16, 2004, 09:37:03 PM
How did Schwartz beat Torsella in the primary?  That is beyond me.

Where's that BAN function they have on IRC?

huh?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 16, 2004, 09:40:07 PM
How did Schwartz beat Torsella in the primary?  That is beyond me.

Where's that BAN function they have on IRC?

huh?

You know the one where SOMEONE KICKS YOU OFF FOR BEING SO GODDAMN ANNOYING???  I swear to God Tweed, do you have a freaking life?  Yeah, i was reeling a little after Joe Torsella lost the primary essentially giving the GOP a good, but not definite shot at the PA-13 seat.  Do you honsetly think you're funny?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on July 16, 2004, 09:44:32 PM
lol...

I guess you are still angry at me for being angry at you after you took a vote away from Seige.  I had accepted it as history but it seems as if you can't do the same.

I was asking the question because I like Torsella and I foresaw him as the Dem nominee against Santroum in 2006 until he lost by a few % in the primary to Schwartz.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 16, 2004, 09:56:09 PM
lol...

I guess you are still angry at me for being angry at you after you took a vote away from Seige.  I had accepted it as history but it seems as if you can't do the same.

I was asking the question because I like Torsella and I foresaw him as the Dem nominee against Santroum in 2006 until he lost by a few % in the primary to Schwartz.

My mistake, I thought you were still busting my balls for that.  Yes, i can forsee him as a potential nominee.  Despite the fact Torsella lost, he is more moderate than Schwartz and should do better statewide.  He would also have massacred Melissa Brown in the PA-13 general.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 19, 2004, 01:25:02 AM
I was asking the question because I like Torsella and I foresaw him as the Dem nominee against Santroum in 2006 until he lost by a few % in the primary to Schwartz.

How could anyone suggest Torsella as the Dem nominee in 2006? Let's say he won the seat this November. He'd be sworn-in in January 2005. He'd have to start campaigning in mid 2005 for the April 2006 Dem primary. He'd then be a member of Congress with about a year's experience and he's going to take on a 2 term incumbent Senator who has the best approval ratings in the state? Joe Torsella's best shot was at Congress. Will he come back? Maybe. I don't think we've seen the last of Joe Torsella BUT 2004 was his best chance at winning something. He will have to wait awhile until another opportunity presents itself.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 19, 2004, 02:51:32 AM
I've been reading some posts on Brown on the PoliticsPA forum.  Wow is she ever getting killed by her own  party and Bard supporters are backing Schwartz.  If I'm not mistaken Bard crushed Brown in Montgomery Co., didn't she Keystone Phil?  KP, the odds of Brown winning are ever decreasing by the day.  Section 8 is her only saving grace here in NE Philly and you know it.  That can be smeared and her record with Bob Asher, Tom DeLay, and Co. will be known.  Oh and as for her being a "business owner", didn't she and her husband bankrupt an insurance company?  Just thought I'd bring this to your attention Keystone Phil.  Yeah, KP, this is REALLY someone I want in Congress!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 19, 2004, 09:21:31 AM
I've been reading some posts on Brown on the PoliticsPA forum.  Wow is she ever getting killed by her own  party and Bard supporters are backing Schwartz.  If I'm not mistaken Bard crushed Brown in Montgomery Co., didn't she Keystone Phil?  KP, the odds of Brown winning are ever decreasing by the day.  Section 8 is her only saving grace here in NE Philly and you know it.  That can be smeared and her record with Bob Asher, Tom DeLay, and Co. will be known.  Oh and as for her being a "business owner", didn't she and her husband bankrupt an insurance company?  Just thought I'd bring this to your attention Keystone Phil.  Yeah, KP, this is REALLY someone I want in Congress!  

Hint for Handzus: Don't read the PoliticsPA forums. Its full of ridiculous rumors and lies. I used to read it everyday until I realized how negative it gets and how pathetic. If you think you're getting facts from PoliticsPA, better think again.

As for Bard suporters, of course some are going to back Schwartz. Bard is a liberal and most of her supporters are, too. Then again, some Torsella supporters are backing Brown so those votes cancel each other out. Now you'd like people to believe that most Republicans and Bard supporters don't support Brown. Well that's not true. That forum is full of posts from the same people, Handzus and your average voter isn't on there posting. So continue putting your faith into those Republicans and Bard supporters against Brown. Unfortunatley for you, those votes won't be nearly enough for Schwartz to win.

Oh and as for the Montco primary results, Bard didn't crush Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 19, 2004, 01:49:25 PM
How can you be so sure about Torsella supporters goign for Brown?  Hmm, Torsella even said in his concession speech he is backing Schwartz.  Bard is not backing Brown.  And why do you think people in NE Philly voted Torsella in what was really a nothing primary for us Dems?  Probably because they do not want the conservatives getting another rubber stamp.  I can tell you, as I have many times, I voted Torsella and I will be voting Schwartz in November.  She is not as far to the left as you think.  Her weakness was she played a little too much on the womens issues in the primary and Torsella went for the "meat and potatoes" issues.  From what I'm reading Schwartz is getting drastically better on those issues.  Brown on the other hand is harping on Section 8 and malpractice issues and saying how great Bush is.  I'll admit I had to sit down and think about Schwartz v. Brown after the primary.  I took about a month or two to realize Schwartz is the better choice and is sounding better by the minute.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 19, 2004, 02:01:21 PM
How can you be so sure about Torsella supporters goign for Brown?  Hmm, Torsella even said in his concession speech he is backing Schwartz.  Bard is not backing Brown.  And why do you think people in NE Philly voted Torsella in what was really a nothing primary for us Dems?  Probably because they do not want the conservatives getting another rubber stamp.  I can tell you, as I have many times, I voted Torsella and I will be voting Schwartz in November.  She is not as far to the left as you think.  Her weakness was she played a little too much on the womens issues in the primary and Torsella went for the "meat and potatoes" issues.  From what I'm reading Schwartz is getting drastically better on those issues.  Brown on the other hand is harping on Section 8 and malpractice issues and saying how great Bush is.  I'll admit I had to sit down and think about Schwartz v. Brown after the primary.  I took about a month or two to realize Schwartz is the better choice and is sounding better by the minute.      

You really don't get it, do you? Or maybe you do and won't admit it. Listen, some Torsella people are going for Brown and some Bard people are going for Schwartz. You have to stop thinking that because you support Schwartz she has everything going for her in this election. Thing is, Brown is the favorite. She is well known and popular. You might not like her but many people do. Then you go after Brown for discussing issues that matter the most to the voters in PA13! Then you go on about how the people of the district will realize her dedication to Bush, blah blah...give it a rest. Yeah your right Brown supports the President but Schwartz is close to Street. Enough said.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 20, 2004, 01:17:57 AM
In what way in your infinite judgement is Schwartz close to Street?  Yeah, I did not vote for Street, but giving Bush another rubber stamp, if God forbid he's reelected, is not something I'm comfortable with.  Clearly Torsella was the better Dem candidate, but Schwartz is not too far off from him.  Yeah, she's a bit of a liberal feminist.  Look, at least 50% of the NE part of the distirct will go Democrat on name and union recognition alone.  They will be somewhat inclined to overlook Brown's shenanigans because of the uncertainty of Bush with labor.  Most people can not comprehend tax cuts as well as I can, but they do comprehend labor.  In 2002, Hoeffel still got over 50% of the NE vote and that was post-9/11.  Labor issues are a little more to light here than in 2000.  I can still see Schwartz pulling off 55% of the Northeast vote on labor alone.  As for Montgomery Co, Bard voters will definitely be more inclined to go Schwartz than Torsella for Brown, though I can see party crossovers.  People in the NE did take notice to that Fort Washington rally and some of the responses in the NE Times and Daily News were not too kind.  Brown has the greater likelihood of falling on her face than does Schwartz.          


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 20, 2004, 01:24:29 AM
 Brown has the greater likelihood of falling on her face than does Schwartz.          


We'll see in November, Handzus. I have a feeling that the liberal feminist that is out of touch with the district will be the one to fall on her face.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 20, 2004, 02:13:29 AM
 Brown has the greater likelihood of falling on her face than does Schwartz.          


We'll see in November, Handzus. I have a feeling that the liberal feminist that is out of touch with the district will be the one to fall on her face.

And someone in bed with Bush, Santorum, DeLay, and Hasert isn't "out of touch"?  People in 2002 were much more willing to overlook those clowns because of 9-11 and Bush's assualt on labor wasn't that known so things like Section 8 took a higher priority.  Different election year buddy.  I feel Brown is WAAY out of touch with working people and is more worried about what Bush and Halliburton think of her.  i can see through her smokescreen.  I'll admit this, it's pretty thick, but the Dem machine has the tools to evaporate it.  lok what happened to Katz and that was only a mayoral election.  People will relaize how important keeping the seat Dem is and Brown will have another roadblock.  I wouldn't be so cocky so soon!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 20, 2004, 08:49:29 AM
 Brown has the greater likelihood of falling on her face than does Schwartz.          


We'll see in November, Handzus. I have a feeling that the liberal feminist that is out of touch with the district will be the one to fall on her face.
 lok what happened to Katz and that was only a mayoral election.  

Yeah I know what happened to Katz. What relevance does that have to this race? Katz was going to be our next mayor however that little scandal against Street (which he spun to his advantage) and it changed everything. The election then became Street vs. Bush.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 04:16:28 PM
 Brown has the greater likelihood of falling on her face than does Schwartz.          


We'll see in November, Handzus. I have a feeling that the liberal feminist that is out of touch with the district will be the one to fall on her face.
 lok what happened to Katz and that was only a mayoral election.  

Yeah I know what happened to Katz. What relevance does that have to this race? Katz was going to be our next mayor however that little scandal against Street (which he spun to his advantage) and it changed everything. The election then became Street vs. Bush.
 

The relevance to this race is the minute Ashcroft got involved in the Street probe, a lot of would be Katz voters jumped ship VERY quickly to give Street a landslide victory.  Unlike some of these people, I ignored that and pushed the lever for who I thought at the time, Sam Katz, was the right sandidate.  Ashcroft made me uneasy, but I had the independence of mind to evaluate everything.  This can also be applicable to Schwartz/Brown because there are going to be people in the Northeast who are former Katz voters and have issues with Section 8 are going to think twice about giving Tom DeLay and Enron economics another leg to stand on.  Ohter than Section 8 and the divisive BS of medical malpractice, Melissa Borwn has VERY weak legs to stand on.

Please remember the differences between CITY government and FEDERAL government!  Melissa Brown's candidacy is MUCH more intertwined with Bush than Schwartz is to Street.  You can't tell me otherwise.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 07:25:35 PM
Melissa Brown stresses her campaign way too much on section 8 housing reform in the Northeast. There have been no new applicants approved since 2002. So stop stressing that issue. When it comes to medical issues Allyson Schwartz is the candidate that will fight for better Prescription drug plans, malpractice issues in PA, and other medical issues because her husband is a practicing doctor. Melissa will not fight for the northeast because she's has no clue when it comes to the northeast because she is from a rural area in the south. Allyson Schwartz grew up in the area and has been a senator in the northeast for quite awhile. I believe in Allyson Schwartz she has done so much in the Northeast in her Senate Seat. I can't wait to see what she will do in Congress. And in response to " Melissa  Brown has the 13th Congressional in a bag" It is a democratic congressional district and Allyson Schwartz is going to destroy Melissa Brown in November just like Melissa was destroyed by Joe Hoefel.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: nclib on July 24, 2004, 07:29:24 PM
What is up with PA-13...there are at least 4 posters from that district. I don't know of any other district even has 2 posters.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 07:45:56 PM
Melissa Brown stresses her campaign way too much on section 8 housing reform in the Northeast. There have been no new applicants approved since 2002. So stop stressing that issue. When it comes to medical issues Allyson Schwartz is the candidate that will fight for better Prescription drug plans, malpractice issues in PA, and other medical issues because her husband is a practicing doctor. Melissa will not fight for the northeast because she's has no clue when it comes to the northeast because she is from a rural area in the south. Allyson Schwartz grew up in the area and has been a senator in the northeast for quite awhile. I believe in Allyson Schwartz she has done so much in the Northeast in her Senate Seat. I can't wait to see what she will do in Congress. And in response to " Melissa  Brown has the 13th Congressional in a bag" It is a democratic congressional district and Allyson Schwartz is going to destroy Melissa Brown in November just like Melissa was destroyed by Joe Hoefel.

Hmmm another PA 13 Dem. Well in response to your statements, Melissa Brown was not destroyed by Hoeffel. 51% - 47% is not crushing. The Dems of this district have to accept that Schwartz is too liberal and not well known. This seat is going GOP.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 07:49:15 PM
This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 07:50:49 PM
This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.

Schwartz = too far left. You guys are losing the seat. Brown is popular and well known in the district. She will be our next member of Congress.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 07:55:35 PM
Hey buddy, The dems are just forming and you will see in the fall we will be out there full force for allyson schwartz. We have three clubs. 13-18 is the Teen Democrats which I am apart of with Mark Fabbi is our chairman. Then we have 18-36 which is the Young Democrats which Scott Schmidts that chairman. Then we have 36 + which the Northeast Dems. I believe these clubs will be out there for allyson schwartz and she will Definitly have the seat over Melissa Brown. People are sick of her lies. Phil ask your chairman to step down as a board member of RYAN for LIFE because supporting Melissa Brown is the total opposite.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 07:57:24 PM
Oh another thing, Brown does know this district. She lived here most her life. Yeah she was born in the south but lived there for only a few years. How about Schwartz, pal? She was born in NYC and didn't even live in PA13. Very little of her state senate district is in PA13.  She saw political opportunity and ran for it. Brown cares about the district and we'll see that once she takes over.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 07:58:35 PM
Teen Democrats which I am apart of with Mark Fabbi is our chairman.

Do you always refer to yourself in the third person? Your email says MFabbi.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:00:03 PM
Hey Demoteen, glad to see some more PA-13 Dems in here ;) !  Wow, KeystonePhil, it seems I'm not alone in the district here.  PA-13 must be a kicking district with 4 members and one that just bit the dust.  You have myself a Dem, nini2287 a Dems from the suburbs, you and Keystone Phil!  Oh, Demoteen, go to your profile and jazz it up.  Put your avatar (the D-PA thing) and maybe some signatures.  I can help you with it as time comes along.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:00:50 PM
Hey Demoteen, glad to see some more PA-13 Dems in here ;) !  Wow, KeystonePhil, it seems I'm not alone in the district here.  PA-13 must be a kicking district with 4 members and one that just bit the dust.  You have myself a Dem, nini2287 a Dems from the suburbs, you and Keystone Phil!  Oh, Demoteen, go to your profile and jazz it up.  Put your avatar (the D-PA thing) and maybe some signatures.  I can help you with it as time comes along.

You might win the membership from the district race but Melissa Brown is going to win the district! ;)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:02:08 PM
Hey Demoteen, glad to see some more PA-13 Dems in here ;) !  Wow, KeystonePhil, it seems I'm not alone in the district here.  PA-13 must be a kicking district with 4 members and one that just bit the dust.  You have myself a Dem, nini2287 a Dems from the suburbs, you and Keystone Phil!  Oh, Demoteen, go to your profile and jazz it up.  Put your avatar (the D-PA thing) and maybe some signatures.  I can help you with it as time comes along.

You might win the membership from the district race but Melissa Brown is going to win the district! ;)

DREAM ON PAL!  Melissa Brown better get off Bush's jock really quick!  Voters will take notice and they already are!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:06:45 PM
My email is Mfabbi because that is our groups email for the present time until our website is complete. My name is Tim and I am going to be a sophmore at ryan and I am an honor student. As a freshmen I had Mr Mc Cabe for Geometry. Mr Roach for Biology and I had Mr Deal for European history. So I am not refering to myself in third person. Mark Fabbi knows a lot more about politics.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:08:50 PM
My email is Mfabbi because that is our groups email for the present time until our website is complete. My name is Tim and I am going to be a sophmore at ryan and I am an honor student. As a freshmen I had Mr Mc Cabe for Geometry. Mr Roach for Biology and I had Mr Deal for European history. So I am not refering to myself in third person. Mark Fabbi knows a lot more about politics.

Suuuuure. Lying to members is not a good way to start off, pal.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:11:16 PM
My email is Mfabbi because that is our groups email for the present time until our website is complete. My name is Tim and I am going to be a sophmore at ryan and I am an honor student. As a freshmen I had Mr Mc Cabe for Geometry. Mr Roach for Biology and I had Mr Deal for European history. So I am not refering to myself in third person. Mark Fabbi knows a lot more about politics.

Suuuuure. Lying to members is not a good way to start off, pal.

I find it very funny KP, that the President of Ryan for Life is supporting a pro-choice Melissa Brown.  God is that ever ironic!  He should not receive Communion :)!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:13:01 PM
You know what Phil your a corney, how your trying to accuse me of lying to forum members.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:19:13 PM
Ride may be a little bumpier than you think eh KeystonePhil?  Aww, don't cry.  That's ok, once you're denied Communion for supporting Melissa Brown then you realize Melissa Brown can't do a damn thing about Section 8 (Demoteen was accurate on the post about the freezes), us Democrats will welcome you.  Thing is you may have to see a little more than black and white than usual, but that's ok, I'll help you :)!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:20:46 PM
Ride may be a little bumpier than you think eh KeystonePhil?  Aww, don't cry.  That's ok, once you're denied Communion for supporting Melissa Brown then you realize Melissa Brown can't do a damn thing about Section 8 (Demoteen was accurate on the post about the freezes), us Democrats will welcome you.  Thing is you may have to see a little more than black and white than usual, but that's ok, I'll help you :)!  

Grow up. You're new friend lied to the forum and you can't get around that.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:22:01 PM
Hi everyone in the Forum my name is Mark Fabbi and I am the chairman of the Teen Dems and I was trying to play out another member of my group so Phil Innamorato and Dave Kralle couldnt find out I found their website.but it didnt work out well. Hey handzus its nice to talk to you again its mark from breakfast this website is awesome thanks for telling me about.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:24:14 PM
Hi everyone in the Forum my name is Mark Fabbi and I am the chairman of the Teen Dems and I was trying to play out another member of my group so Phil Innamorato and Dave Kralle couldnt find out I found their website.but it didnt work out well. Hey handzus its nice to talk to you again its mark from breakfast this website is awesome thanks for telling me about.

So you admit you lied to the forum. Nice to see you here Mark. You're games won't play well though. Members will catch on.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:26:18 PM
Oh ,and Demoteen.  Just for reference the numbers on my signature are how left-right I am on economic and social issues.  It's on a scale from -10 to +10.  You're also invited to register for fantasy elections.  Just go under the register thread.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:27:16 PM
 You're also invited to register for fantasy elections.  Just go under the register thread.

He doesn't have 18 posts, Handzus.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:28:35 PM
Phil PLEASE have your group stop stressing on the Section 8 issues. I know I lied to you and the Forum but that was a white lie. Your group tells people big lies having kids outfront of supermarkets and polls saying VOTE BROWN stop SECTION 8 housing. My club is going to strive on not being like the Teen republicans. My group aren't going to have members on the board in the Life club at school and then support a member that is Pro Choice. If anyone is the liar here its SEPTARS !


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:29:51 PM
Phil PLEASE have your group stop stressing on the Section 8 issues. I know I lied to you and the Forum but that was a white lie. Your group tells people big lies having kids outfront of supermarkets and polls saying VOTE BROWN stop SECTION 8 housing. My club is going to strive on not being like the Teen republicans. My group aren't going to have members on the board in the Life club at school and then support a member that is Pro Choice. If anyone is the liar here its SEPTARS !

Mark for the benefit of the forum, I'm not dragging out personal political arguements here. I adivise you to do the same.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:31:01 PM
My group aren't going to have members on the board in the Life club at school and then support a member that is Pro Choice.

Another Mark lie. You are a member of Ryan for Life and support pro choice Schwartz. Stop lying, Mark.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:31:10 PM
Phil PLEASE have your group stop stressing on the Section 8 issues. I know I lied to you and the Forum but that was a white lie. Your group tells people big lies having kids outfront of supermarkets and polls saying VOTE BROWN stop SECTION 8 housing. My club is going to strive on not being like the Teen republicans. My group aren't going to have members on the board in the Life club at school and then support a member that is Pro Choice. If anyone is the liar here its SEPTARS !

Mark for the benefit of the forum, I'm not dragging out personal political arguements here. I adivise you to do the same.

What the hell do you think this is about buddy?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:32:24 PM
Phil PLEASE have your group stop stressing on the Section 8 issues. I know I lied to you and the Forum but that was a white lie. Your group tells people big lies having kids outfront of supermarkets and polls saying VOTE BROWN stop SECTION 8 housing. My club is going to strive on not being like the Teen republicans. My group aren't going to have members on the board in the Life club at school and then support a member that is Pro Choice. If anyone is the liar here its SEPTARS !

Mark for the benefit of the forum, I'm not dragging out personal political arguements here. I adivise you to do the same.

What the hell do you think this is about buddy?

I'm asking for no SEPTARS and PTADS talk. Mark is going to act very childish and I want to spare the forum from reading it. he's already lied twice.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 08:33:30 PM
Hey Mark, go on AIM.  My screen name is PJg455.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:37:02 PM
This is my last and final personal statement in forum then i will get into other issues. I am not a member of ryan for life so where ever your getting your information from is wrong. I do participate in the March for Life. Last note, Phil atleast I am not killing Babies and Soldiers by supporting melissa brown you are killing babies and by supporting bush you are killing soldiers over seas. I am only killing babies by supporting Allyson Schwartz and I that is one issue i least like about schwartz.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:39:27 PM
This is my last and final personal statement in forum then i will get into other issues. I am not a member of ryan for life so where ever your getting your information from is wrong. I do participate in the March for Life. Last note, Phil atleast I am not killing Babies and Soldiers by supporting melissa brown you are killing babies and by supporting bush you are killing soldiers over seas. I am only killing babies by supporting Allyson Schwartz and I that is one issue i least like about schwartz.

You are a member of Ryan for Life, Mark and I've had just about enough of your lies. This forum is not a place for our personal arguments. If you want to argue the issues, fine. AND finally Mark I think you ought to apologize for saying our President is killing our soldiers. That is the most disgraceful comment that has ever been posted on this forum.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 08:56:25 PM
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF RYAN FOR LIFE. Our president does not have enough information for our men and women to be over there. I have a close family member over there and God for bid if she dies. President Bush I hope feels the anguish.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 08:59:18 PM
I AM NOT A MEMBER OF RYAN FOR LIFE. Our president does not have enough information for our men and women to be over there. I have a close family member over there and God for bid if she dies. President Bush I hope feels the anguish.

You accused those that those who support President Bush are killing our troops. You ought to apologize immediatley for the most inappropriate comments this forum has ever seen. It is a disgrace.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 09:02:09 PM
I don't feel he should.  He's right!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:03:38 PM

You're going to say that those who support the President are killing our troops. ABSOLUTE disgrace. Totally inappropriate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 09:08:01 PM

You're going to say that those who support the President are killing our troops. ABSOLUTE disgrace. Totally inappropriate.

Nice twist on it.  No his comments were appropriate and thoughful.  Yours are horrible!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:09:19 PM

You're going to say that those who support the President are killing our troops. ABSOLUTE disgrace. Totally inappropriate.

Nice twist on it.  No his comments were appropriate and thoughful.  Yours are horrible!

Handzus, he said that those who support the President are killing the troops! He said that! I'm not twisting it. Go back and read it. Totally inappropriate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:10:20 PM
and by supporting bush you are killing soldiers over seas.

There you go Handzus. Now defend that one.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 09:11:08 PM

You're going to say that those who support the President are killing our troops. ABSOLUTE disgrace. Totally inappropriate.

Nice twist on it.  No his comments were appropriate and thoughful.  Yours are horrible!

Handzus, he said that those who support the President are killing the troops! He said that! I'm not twisting it. Go back and read it. Totally inappropriate.

NO knucklehead he said THE president, not people supporting him like you!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:16:43 PM

You're going to say that those who support the President are killing our troops. ABSOLUTE disgrace. Totally inappropriate.

Nice twist on it.  No his comments were appropriate and thoughful.  Yours are horrible!

Handzus, he said that those who support the President are killing the troops! He said that! I'm not twisting it. Go back and read it. Totally inappropriate.

NO knucklehead he said THE president, not people supporting him like you!

I supplied you with the quote so don't try to twist it. And anyway if he did say Bush was the one killing our soldiers, it is even worse. This is disgraceful.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:23:16 PM
I know when my close family member was 24 she signed up for the army 2 years later 911 happened i know that changed alot. Then the war in afghanistan occured and I wasn't so supportive of that and now the war in Iraq which is rediculous. Im not saying anything against those who support bush. I am saying having our men and women over there is rediculous were up to 900 military personnel have died. How much will it be when the war will end.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:25:09 PM
You said our President's supporters are killing the troops. You ought to apologize for that comment. It is disgraceful. Think about what you said and then you'll realize you're comments are sickening.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:30:16 PM
NO my comments are not sickening. You know what is sickening thinking your sister will be killed in a minute,a hour, a day, a week, a year. You don't know. I feel some of our troops should have been pulled out of Iraq the day they became sovereign but President Bush let them stay there. I am not disgracing the supporters of bush.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:31:20 PM
I AM DISGRACING BUSH


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:33:41 PM

You're disgracing THIS NATION by saying our President is killing the troops. These comments are sick. Look what you said and then explain to everyone why you said it. You ought to apologize. These comments are totally out of line.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:35:55 PM
o0k Sr. ALice


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 09:37:18 PM

You're disgracing THIS NATION by saying our President is killing the troops. These comments are sick. Look what you said and then explain to everyone why you said it. You ought to apologize. These comments are totally out of line.

No Keystone Phil.  We live in a thing called a Democracy, not a totalitarian state with King George Bush and Vassal Dick Cheney as monarchs.  Demoteen has, unlike you, a very complex mind that can see past both black and white.  Other Republicans are much better than you at explaining themselves.  You seem to have difficulty.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:38:09 PM

I guess this is your response when you realize what you said what totally uncalled for and disgraceful. I really hope you apologize for something that should upset every American.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:39:07 PM
Handzus I totally agree. Phil is too black and white and is not much of debater and does have a hard time explaining himself. He tends to repeat himself quite often.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 09:40:23 PM
Handzus I totally agree. Phil is too black and white and is not much of debater and does have a hard time explaining himself. He tends to repeat himself quite often.

Get used to it!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:42:20 PM
Haha Im starting too already this website is awesome I will be back on later gonna get some shut eye


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:42:46 PM
And you still won't apologize for saying the President is killing our troops. Disgusting.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:44:19 PM

You're disgracing THIS NATION by saying our President is killing the troops. These comments are sick. Look what you said and then explain to everyone why you said it. You ought to apologize. These comments are totally out of line.

No Keystone Phil.  We live in a thing called a Democracy, not a totalitarian state with King George Bush and Vassal Dick Cheney as monarchs.  Demoteen has, unlike you, a very complex mind that can see past both black and white.  Other Republicans are much better than you at explaining themselves.  You seem to have difficulty.

He has a right to say what he wants. However it is sick to say the President is killing our troops. Something YOU fail to realize.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:44:20 PM
WHY SHOULD I APOLOGIZE TO PRESIDENT BUSH? when my sisters life is on the line. You dont make sense and you think your an adult.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:45:48 PM
WHY SHOULD I APOLOGIZE TO PRESIDENT BUSH? when my sisters life is on the line. You dont make sense and you think your an adult.

YOU said the President/those that support him are killing our troops! That is not only false but disgusting. Yes you should apologize.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 09:57:25 PM
Your putting words in my mouth Phil and I dont like that very much i never said President Bush/supporters are too blame for the men and women serving dying. I did say however that President Bush is to Blame so WOW what a liar


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 09:58:06 PM
Your putting words in my mouth Phil and I dont like that very much i never said President Bush/supporters are too blame for the men and women serving dying. I did say however that President Bush is to Blame so WOW what a liar

I will show you the post Mark. And then explain it forever. You and your lies.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 10:01:13 PM
This is my last and final personal statement in forum then i will get into other issues. I am not a member of ryan for life so where ever your getting your information from is wrong. I do participate in the March for Life. Last note, Phil atleast I am not killing Babies and Soldiers by supporting melissa brown you are killing babies and by supporting bush you are killing soldiers over seas.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 24, 2004, 10:04:08 PM
That wasnt saying everyone in the forum who supports Bush is killing soldiers it was saying that by YOU key word YOU supporting bush was killing soldiers because you are such a life activist. That means from womb to tomb not just babies in a womb but that also includes men and women serving and then dying and being buried in their tomb.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: nclib on July 24, 2004, 10:04:47 PM

Is that Keystone Phil?
Is Dave, Handzus?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 11:13:32 PM
Civil arguments?  HA, what a joke!  The guy that tells people "SON LISTEN" and "YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SON."  You at least have some civility,  The problem is and Demoteen knows this is you see everything in simply black and white.  I had the pleasure of meeting Mark personally at breakfast today.  He has, unlike you and TeenGOP, a complex thought process that involves more than equating every Democrat to John Street.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 11:15:06 PM
What Mark did was out of line. He gave out personal info about private citizens. Don't try to deny it, Handzus. It was inappropriate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 11:17:14 PM
What Mark did was out of line. He gave out personal info about private citizens. Don't try to deny it, Handzus. It was inappropriate.

An e-mail address?  Come on, he gave it out before.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 11:20:20 PM
What Mark did was out of line. He gave out personal info about private citizens. Don't try to deny it, Handzus. It was inappropriate.

An e-mail address?  Come on, he gave it out before.

Mark gave out a private citizen's email address for NO reason at all. Handzus, me and you are able to debate without stooping to personal leverls. DemoTROLL can't do that. If he wants to debate, fine. But if he continues to act childish, its only going to be further annoyance. And eventually other members of the forum will find it annoying too.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 11:23:46 PM
Me and you do not know each other YET.  Chances are we will.  You and him do.  I thought it would be fun to invite him.  On personal issues, I do not know what goes on in the hallways in your HS.  It's not for me to know or intervene.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 11:25:45 PM
Me and you do not know each other YET.  Chances are we will.  You and him do.  I thought it would be fun to invite him.  On personal issues, I do not know what goes on in the hallways in your HS.  It's not for me to know or intervene.  

Yes me and Mark do know each other. It COULD have been fun. It is fun to argue with YOU, Handzus. However, Mark is going to act like a child. And now we all have to deal with it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2004, 11:31:55 PM
You and Demoteen04 are both young guys.  I do not want to get involved in Catholic HS business.  I was done with that over 6 years ago.  I know you can get nasty too so I am not taking sides in this personal squabble.  I invited him here for this is a free internet.

   


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2004, 11:36:47 PM
I know you can get nasty too so I am not taking sides in this personal squabble.

Really? I've never brought up personal stuff. Don't compare me to Mark in the way I conduct myself on this forum.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 12:06:34 AM
You know what Phil act your age and not your elders. Stooping that low to give out somebody's personal information now come on. It wasnt even the right email address ok. So dave has nothing to worry about. And it wasnt out of the blue the person asked for daves email and I gave it to her if i could emailed it directly to her i would have and it doesnt even matter because it isnt even correct. You and Dave blew this whole thing out of Proportion.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 25, 2004, 12:08:21 AM
You know what Phil act your age and not your elders. Stooping that low to give out somebody's personal information now come on. It wasnt even the right email address ok. So dave has nothing to worry about. And it wasnt out of the blue the person asked for daves email and I gave it to her if i could emailed it directly to her i would have and it doesnt even matter because it isnt even correct. You and Dave blew this whole thing out of Proportion.

IM me when you get this.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 25, 2004, 12:08:58 AM
You know what Phil act your age and not your elders. Stooping that low to give out somebody's personal information now come on. It wasnt even the right email address ok. So dave has nothing to worry about. And it wasnt out of the blue the person asked for daves email and I gave it to her if i could emailed it directly to her i would have and it doesnt even matter because it isnt even correct. You and Dave blew this whole thing out of Proportion.

You're giving out personal info Mark. I'm really tired of this now. You have to grow up. This forum is for people that can act like adults. Please start acting like one. Debate the issues. Knock off the personal stuff. Forum members aren't going to like these constant personal bickering and neither do I.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 12:11:38 AM
Im sorry Phil neither you nor me are adults so therefore how can we act like an adult if were not adults. Could you give me a few lessons?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 25, 2004, 12:12:43 AM
Im sorry Phil neither you nor me are adults so therefore how can we act like an adult if were not adults. Could you give me a few lessons?

Oh, my AIM is PJg455


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 25, 2004, 12:13:05 AM
Im sorry Phil neither you nor me are adults so therefore how can we act like an adult if were not adults. Could you give me a few lessons?

Yeah see here's how you act like an adult: You stop the personal attacks. People don't want to see our arguments and I, personally, wish not to waste my time responding to you. There are posters here that are younger than you and are more mature. Take some tips from them.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 12:15:37 AM
Hey Phil, lets stop the arguing and debate. I have a question when you think Democrat why do you think everyone who is a democrat is street supporter


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 25, 2004, 12:17:18 AM
Hey Phil, lets stop the arguing and debate. I have a question when you think Democrat why do you think everyone who is a democrat is street supporter

I don't think every Dem is a Street supporter. I know plenty who are anti-Street Dems. Don't tell me what I believe when you don't know for sure.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 25, 2004, 12:18:48 AM
Hey Phil, lets stop the arguing and debate. I have a question when you think Democrat why do you think everyone who is a democrat is street supporter

Keystone Phil, there's a good question.  Now for Demoteen and KeystonePhil, I'm asking you to keep personal attacks to a minimum.  The is a political forum, not a HS lcoker room.  Please deabte all you want on the issues and the candidates.  Thank you.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 12:20:05 AM
O0o yea handzus my aim crashed theres like a virus on it so i cant go on aim sorry im not blowing you off sorry


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 25, 2004, 12:20:06 AM
Hey Phil, lets stop the arguing and debate. I have a question when you think Democrat why do you think everyone who is a democrat is street supporter

Keystone Phil, there's a good question.  Now for Demoteen and KeystonePhil, I'm asking you to keep personal attacks to a minimum.  The is a political forum, not a HS lcoker room.  Please deabte all you want on the issues and the candidates.  Thank you.

I'm not the one resulting to personal attacks. I just hope Mark realizes it's time to debate, not attack.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 25, 2004, 12:20:34 AM
O0o yea handzus my aim crashed theres like a virus on it so i cant go on aim sorry im not blowing you off sorry

That's ok!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 12:23:39 AM
Phil you are just as bad if not worst your not the innocent one in the forum and you need to stop thinking that way.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 25, 2004, 12:29:09 AM
Phil you are just as bad if not worst your not the innocent one in the forum and you need to stop thinking that way.

See this is where I've had enough. Mark continue acting like a child. I'm just not responding anymore. I'm above this and the members of the forum are above this. So post all you want DemoTROLL because here is one poster that just won't acknowledge your ridiculous statements.

This forum is above the extreme partisanship, nasty attacks you see on other forums. We are above that here. You've not only made yourself look bad but you made the PA13 thread look bad and you're comments don't help the forum. Look at one of our most senior and respected members, New Federalist, said about these arguements acouple pages back. He said he's glad he's not in our area because it's getting ugly. Well before you came here, we remained civil. Now look at the arguments and the attacks.

I suggest that you get alittle more mature or people win frown on your behavior here. Yes we disagree Mark but if you can't remain civil, you don't deserve anyone's attention.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 25, 2004, 12:36:39 AM
My take on this is it's a simple locker room squabble.  There is in no way this can be squashed on here.  When two forum members know each other persoanlly from HS, there is no way personal stuff will net get mentioned in here.  Howwever, Demoteen has every right to post here and I do not find the majority of his comments trollish.  He is actually a lot better than TeenGOP who managed, with his far right trollism, to piss me and a lot of people off in seconds.  The way I see it, I had to deal with TeenGOP(SON) and now you have Demoteen04.  As Adam Sandler says "DEAL WITH IT!!"


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 08:59:57 PM
I have a question for the forum. Why is Perzel pushing the issue of Section 8 Housing Reform. What is Perzel new lacky Melissa Brown. The reasoning for bringing this issue up is that I received a voter registration packet in the mail today from Perzel's campaign. Saying about keeping section 8 housing reform out of the Northeast. The same issue Melissa Brown's campaign keeps hanging on. Melissa and Perzel are using a scare tatic to win their districts and if you ask me that's pretty pathetic.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 25, 2004, 09:45:28 PM
CONSIDERING NO NEW APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE NORTHEAST SINCE 2002. So Melissa Brown and now John Perzel could you please stop stressing the issue. I thought I wouldn't have to bring up the issue again on the Forum, but after receiving the letter in the mail it made me outraged about it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 02:10:36 AM
CONSIDERING NO NEW APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE NORTHEAST SINCE 2002. So Melissa Brown and now John Perzel could you please stop stressing the issue. I thought I wouldn't have to bring up the issue again on the Forum, but after receiving the letter in the mail it made me outraged about it.

Don't worry.  Schwartz has oodles of cash.  Brown can be attacked VERY easily on this.  The issue will not die in their minds, but in the voters, it's sure as heck dying because of Bush and the war.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 02:54:39 AM
Hey Phil, if anyone's being immature taking stuff from this forum and posting it on their website with names, it's you.  KP, you crossed the line here pal!  See replies #165 and 187 and how they correlate to their site.  Here's the site:

http://www.septars.com/DemocraticLunacy.html


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 09:33:36 AM
Hey Phil, if anyone's being immature taking stuff from this forum and posting it on their website with names, it's you.  KP, you crossed the line here pal!  See replies #165 and 187 and how they correlate to their site.  Here's the site:

http://www.septars.com/DemocraticLunacy.html

Oh right because I mean the site is only pointing out what he said.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 01:15:32 PM
Hey Phil, if anyone's being immature taking stuff from this forum and posting it on their website with names, it's you.  KP, you crossed the line here pal!  See replies #165 and 187 and how they correlate to their site.  Here's the site:

http://www.septars.com/DemocraticLunacy.html

Oh right because I mean the site is only pointing out what he said.

YOU USED HIS ACTUAL NAME!!! THAT'S WRONG!!  You're accusing Demoteen of being out of line earlier, now you did somethign drastically worse.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 01:26:32 PM
Hey Phil, if anyone's being immature taking stuff from this forum and posting it on their website with names, it's you.  KP, you crossed the line here pal!  See replies #165 and 187 and how they correlate to their site.  Here's the site:

http://www.septars.com/DemocraticLunacy.html

Oh right because I mean the site is only pointing out what he said.

YOU USED HIS ACTUAL NAME!!! THAT'S WRONG!!  You're accusing Demoteen of being out of line earlier, now you did somethign drastically worse.

#1 - I don't run the site.
#2 - His name is on the site because he's the TAD's leader and he has also used the names of Teenage Republican leaders in a Northeast Times article.
#3 - There is no contact info given out there. DemoTroll gave out someone's email for no reason at all.
#4 - That is off the forum activity. It has no relevance to the forum at all.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 01:41:26 PM
These were FORUM posts.  You are out of line!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 01:43:44 PM
These were FORUM posts.  You are out of line!

Give it up, Handzus. If you want to stick by your DemoTroll friend, that's fine but don't compare posting his comments to giving out personal contact info.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 01:46:19 PM
Oh and by the way if you read his comments, he refered to the Teenage Republican group. The Teenage Republicans have every right to respond to his ridiculous statements.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 01:50:27 PM
The whole SEPTARS website is trollish.  Derrr, I pro-life, pro-military, low-taxes, pro-family derrrr.  It seems like no one there has any complex thought process whatsoever.  I would think your adult advisors would be a little more informative.  I love the one quote from one of your members (will not say their name unlike you) "I'm here to try to get liberal American to think the way they should think-- Conservative."  Dude, you can't eb any more trollish.  It seems Mark knows what he's doing.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 01:56:14 PM
The whole SEPTARS website is trollish.  Derrr, I pro-life, pro-military, low-taxes, pro-family derrrr.  It seems like no one there has any complex thought process whatsoever.  I would think your adult advisors would be a little more informative.  I love the one quote from one of your members (will not say their name unlike you) "I'm here to try to get liberal American to think the way they should think-- Conservative."  Dude, you can't eb any more trollish.  It seems Mark knows what he's doing.

We're trollish? We're a private club. Are we trollish against ourselves? You really make no sense. I mean of course you're going to disagree with what we say. Atleast we can put together a strong club unlike DemoTroll who hasn't a clue. That's why he had to spy on the Teenage Republicans to find out how to run an organization.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 26, 2004, 02:14:30 PM
The whole SEPTARS website is trollish.  Derrr, I pro-life, pro-military, low-taxes, pro-family derrrr.  It seems like no one there has any complex thought process whatsoever.  I would think your adult advisors would be a little more informative.  I love the one quote from one of your members (will not say their name unlike you) "I'm here to try to get liberal American to think the way they should think-- Conservative."  Dude, you can't eb any more trollish.  It seems Mark knows what he's doing.

We're trollish? We're a private club. Are we trollish against ourselves? You really make no sense. I mean of course you're going to disagree with what we say. Atleast we can put together a strong club unlike DemoTroll who hasn't a clue. That's why he had to spy on the Teenage Republicans to find out how to run an organization.

Smart young guy isn' t he :P!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 02:40:46 PM
Keystone Phil, First of all Information I gave out on the forum was a email address. I mistakenly messed up on the spelling therefore it is a wrong email address so if somebody tried the email address it would user unknown because it is an unknown email address first of all. Second of all the writer for the Northeast Times asked how I got into politics and I shed some good light on your group if you ask me. So that gives you the right to write something negative I said out of anger on your website. If anyone is the TROLL Keystone Phil it is you and you CO - HORTS. This is a forum for Political Information about Melissa and Allyson not a website for personal attacks.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 02:41:57 PM
This is a forum for Political Information about Melissa and Allyson not a website for personal attacks.

Haha..because you, DemoTroll, aren't one to result to personal attacks right? Goooood one!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 02:50:25 PM
Keystone Phil, You know why I made those angering comments about your chairman because I am a heavy Pro Life activist. I have am an active member in Generation Life and Stand True to extreme groups against abortion. Once a month on a Saturday I pray in front of an abortion clinic. When I get older I will support only Pro Life candidates. You either Pro Life or Pro Choice please you and your groups need to stop making exuses for the candidate you support.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 02:54:11 PM
Keystone Phil, You know why I made those angering comments about your chairman because I am a heavy Pro Life activist. I have am an active member in Generation Life and Stand True to extreme groups against abortion. Once a month on a Saturday I pray in front of an abortion clinic. When I get older I will support only Pro Life candidates. You either Pro Life or Pro Choice please you and your groups need to stop making exuses for the candidate you support.

You really are confused aren't you? I am also extremely pro life. However, my group supports a pro choice candidate for Congress, that is true. We don't agree with her on that but hey let's look at your group. Every candidate you support is extremely pro choice. Schwartz is even more pro choice than Brown and you know that. So if you want to attack the Teenage Republicans, remember who you support and how their views are even more pro choice.

You should really think before you post...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 02:58:13 PM
Whoever said the TEENAGE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED ALLYSON SCHWARTZ


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 03:03:56 PM
Most of our members don't even live in PA 13. We mostly live in PA 8. Our group is not organized enough yet to even endorse or support candidates. Two be precise with you we have one member out of the 35 that is in PA 13. So get your facts straight


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 03:07:02 PM
Whoever said the TEENAGE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED ALLYSON SCHWARTZ

You aren't serious are you? I mean...you must be joking? A couple posts back you said you guys can't wait to see Schwartz win the seat.  That is Allyson Schwartz, the candidate who is even more pro choice than Melissa Brown. Get your story straight before posting. Thanks.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 03:08:19 PM
Explain this quote please...

This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 03:09:05 PM
Allyson Schwartz yes I would like to see Allyson Schwartz win because she unlike Melissa she is campaigning the good old way not using scare tatics like melissa, but i do not agree with her being pro choice, but Melissa also is pro choice


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 03:11:16 PM
Allyson Schwartz yes I would like to see Allyson Schwartz win because she unlike Melissa she is campaigning the good old way not using scare tatics like melissa, but i do not agree with her being pro choice, but Melissa also is pro choice

So then you DO support Schwartz? Why couldn't you admit that earlier when you said "Whoever said THE TEENAGE DEMOCRATS SUPPORTED ALLYSON SCHWARTZ" ? I thank you though for making me laugh. Your posts amuse me.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 03:12:16 PM
Oh and by the way, Schwartz is even more pro choice than Brown. Just thought I'd inform you on that.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 04:58:20 PM
I do not support either candidate. I do however LIKE key word more Allyson for not using scare tactics. Their both pro choice. thank you very much


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 05:02:15 PM
I do not support either candidate. I do however LIKE key word more Allyson for not using scare tactics. Their both pro choice. thank you very much

Haha..this is funny. Yes, they're both pro choice but Brown is against partial birth abortion and against taxpayer funded abortions. Schwartz takes a more pro choice stance.

I really love how you say you don't support either candidate but you said you anxiously await a Schwartz win. Why can't you get your story straight? One minute you can't wait to see her win, the next minute you don't support either candidate. Give me a break.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 06:57:52 PM
Give me a break you are to black and white to understand what anybody else has to say in this forum. It seems like you put words in my mouth. I stand by what i say unlike you before I post i edit and proofread.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 07:02:06 PM
Give me a break you are to black and white to understand what anybody else has to say in this forum. It seems like you put words in my mouth. I stand by what i say unlike you before I post i edit and proofread.

You edit and proofread? Really? Well then you'd realize that, just like your pal John Kerry, you totally flip floped. One minute you can't wait to see Schwartz elected (which won't happen anyway) and then you aren't supporting her? Yeah good one.

I mean how am I putting words in your mouth? You just don't understand things. You say one thing, then mean another, but you want to go back to what you said earlier, then you might want to change your mind. You have no clue what you are talking about. You say your pro life and that is great. I am, too. But then you say you want Schwartz who's by far the most pro choice candidate in the PA13 race. THEN you say you don't support her when I proved that you said it! I have your quote! Get your stories straight.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 07:04:29 PM
I believe these clubs will be out there for allyson schwartz and she will Definitly have the seat over Melissa Brown

That's one were you pretty much voiced your support for Schwartz and then....


This seat isn't going GOP. This race is going to come down to the end. I can't wait to see how it will pain out. I am anxiously awaiting. Myself, my chairman, and everybody that is in my club is as well awaiting. We hope to see Allyson win that seat.

And there's the other. You just can't get your statements straight. Way to flip flop in the course of A DAY!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 07:18:36 PM
Phil, I am Pro Life, I dislike Melissa Brown, Therefore I do LIKE Allyson Schwartz. THEY ARE BOTH PRO CHOICE CANDIDATES. How can I stress that enough. Your telling me like Melissa doesn't support partial birth and abortion funding but Allyson is on the same level as Melissa when it comes to abortion. Plus Congress has no control over it but it is the point that they are both pro choice.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 07:23:18 PM
Phil, I am Pro Life, I dislike Melissa Brown, Therefore I do LIKE Allyson Schwartz. THEY ARE BOTH PRO CHOICE CANDIDATES. How can I stress that enough. Your telling me like Melissa doesn't support partial birth and abortion funding but Allyson is on the same level as Melissa when it comes to abortion. Plus Congress has no control over it but it is the point that they are both pro choice.

Can you understand what you are talking about before posting? Brown is against partial birth abortion and taxpayer funding of abortions. Schwartz supports both of those, I believe, and that is why she receives funding from the pro choice group EMILY's list. So yeah they are both pro choice but Schwartz even more so.

Now here is where you keep making me laugh. You say you want to see Schwartz take over the seat. Then you say you don't support her. THEN you say you like her. What is your position? I mean...can you lay out EXACTLY what you mean because it makes NO sense at all. You just continue to confuse yourself. You don't know what you believe. Please find out what you believe before posting. It's annoying arguing with someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 10:17:14 PM
I know what I believe and don't believe in. I know I believe in Allyson Schwartz but I do not support her nor do I support Melissa Brown. What I am trying to say here is that if it came down to me voting  I would vote neither but I think I would vote Allyson because her campaign is not ran on scare tactics, but since I live in PA 8 these candidates in PA 13 don't involve me nor my group. Maybe 1 of my group members therefore I will not get involve with neither of these candidates supporting or endorsing wise. I love debating these two candidates because it is a lot of fun.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 10:22:44 PM
What I am trying to say here is that if it came down to me voting  I would vote neither but I think I would vote Allyson because her campaign is not ran on scare tactics

Haha...Wait wait DemoTroll I'm laughing too hard hold on. You're saying you would vote neither but you think you would vote for Allyson? I'm speechless. You make no sense. You won't vote for either of them but you'd vote for Schwartz. I just can't understand why you post. You make no sense and you just waste time. When you want to make sense and know what you are discussing, then post.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:06:35 PM
After talking to someone that is much smarter then me I have changed a lot of my views for the present time. Even though I do have a lot democratic views when it comes to melissa brown and allyson schwartz I am up in the air right now. After speaking with a chairman of tars he has changed my mind in many ways when it comes to the candidates in PA 13. If I had to vote it would be a split vote.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 11:09:18 PM
Jeeze, do your opinions change every hour? One minute you want Brown, the next Schwartz, then neither, after that Schwartz, now undecided. Give me a break! Oh and by the way, how do you do a split vote? You can't give a vote to Brown and a vote to Schwartz. When will you ever make up your mind?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:10:41 PM
After talking to a friend of yours


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:12:07 PM
tomorrow morning


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 11:12:55 PM
After talking to a friend of yours

And then tomorrow you will support Schwartz, then no one, then Schwartz. You can't make up your mind. Oh and for someone that was so strongly against Brown (yeah that was you, remember?), no one would be able to change your mind in one conversation.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:14:07 PM
Well your chairman has certainly done that


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 11:19:22 PM
Well your chairman has certainly done that

Oh right, DemoTroll. We're supposed to believe that suddenly you are undecided? You're a Teenage Dem and suddenly after saying every negative thing about Melissa Brown you don't know who to support? Please.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:21:02 PM
You know what Phil you should really treasure that you have such an intellectual  and classy chairman. I do stand by my democratic views but I will never be up to par with your chairman


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:23:28 PM
Phil I know we can't be the best of friends but we need to be civil so from here on out we need to be civil especially on this forum.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 11:30:24 PM
Phil I know we can't be the best of friends but we need to be civil so from here on out we need to be civil especially on this forum.

Yeah don't even think of lecturing me about that. You acted like a five year old your whole first day of posting. Yeah we can be civil and let's start now.

As for "treasuring" my Chairman, I don't know why you have such sudden admiration. Here's someone you showed NO respect for when you lied to him and the club. I think this might be just another act on your part. You will never be "up to par" with the Teenage Republican leader. Yes that is very true. However I find it odd that you say that since just last night here on this forum you tried to trash him in every way possible.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:35:42 PM
Well he taught me a lot tonight about politics being on the phone with him tonight was an extraordinary experience. To tell you the truth when I first started with your group I had a lot of political interest and with especially the republican party. As time went on I became affiliated to the democratic party which has been an awesome experience, but a lot of work. I do not want to betray my old SEPTAR friends so therefore we all need to be civil. We may have different views but when it comes to the end of the day eventually we will need eachothers help.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2004, 11:42:43 PM
I do not want to betray my old SEPTAR friends so therefore we all need to be civil.

Ya know I am going to be civil but this annoys me beyond belief. You don't want to betray SEPTARS? You really aren't serious when you speak. I know you aren't. You don't want to betray SEPTARS but you spy on the club and laugh at us when you admit that you were never a Republican and just joined to find out how we operated. I really can't take a word you say with any seriousness. You lost my respect when betrayed us earlier this year. I no longer wish to discuss this because it just annoys me that you can put on such a show and belief nothing you say AND because this forum is for political discussion. No one wants to read this on the forum because it's personal conversation and at this point I don't wish to discuss this either.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 26, 2004, 11:46:15 PM
PHILL BE CIVIL AND UNBLOCK ME FROM AIM AT DEMOTEEN04 IS MY SCREENAME AT AIM SO PLEASE UNBLOCK THAT SCREENAME. Thankz


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 27, 2004, 01:38:09 AM
Wow, you guys are pretty intense.  I too was more pro-life, but then I realized a lot of things in society both of you have yet to.  I am not knocking either of your intelligence, I just see things a lot differently having been through college.  Mark, as I have said at the meeting, there are a LOT of factors that go into one having an abortion.  On a case by case basis, I can not judge what a person has to go through being pregnant or the ordeals of parenting.  I do not think a woman wants to go through an abortion, but they may have no other choice.  Despite the fact that I am personally against abortion, I can not judge another person's choices or situations for whatever reason.  It has been very hard for me lately with matters of my Catholic faith and how they prioritze certain issues, but this is where I stand.    

I support Allyson Schwartz 100% for this election even though I have a lot of quirks regarding the Section 8 progam.  I support her measures for universal health care, energy independence, small business development, and rolling back some of Bush's boneheaded polcies (i.e. tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.).  Mark, you should too!  I am not asking you to switch your postion on abortion, but Allyson Schwartz is a far better, more principled candidate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2004, 03:36:48 PM
Mark, you should too!  I am not asking you to switch your postion on abortion, but Allyson Schwartz is a far better, more principled candidate.

Handzus, Mark isn't serious. I know the kid. He's playing his usual games. He isn't considering Brown, in my opinion, because he spent his whole first day on the board trashing her campaign. He couldn't just change his mind so easily in about an hour.

And as for you "realizing" a lot of things in society that we have yet to, don't give anyone here a little "well when you get older you realize things" speech. It has nothing to do with maturity or age, it has to do with principle. I'm pro life and always will be.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on July 27, 2004, 06:30:30 PM
Schwartz had a small speaking role at the convention today.  I did not see it however.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 27, 2004, 09:30:02 PM
My stance on Abortion is a big factor in PA 13. I cannot make up my mind because Melissa and Allyson are both pro choice.  So as of right now I haven't made my decision who I am supporting. I still have some research I need to look into and then I will post my decision however by the end of this week. This will be my final decision on whom I am going to support.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 28, 2004, 08:22:09 PM
My decision is set and it is a final one. I am supporting Allyson Schwartz after much prayer and thought. Even though she is Pro- Choice. Her educational views about the No Child Left Behind Law and the money the school districts need and not getting because in Washington DC it is not a priority. I also support her because she is about getting the Veterans benefits where they should be. Veterans should be able to go to a VA hospital if need be because they fought for our country proudly. President Bush cut Veterans benefits enormously this year. Therefore leaving Veterans, Va Hospitals, and homes left out to dry. That should not be especially now with the war in Iraq and we have men and women out there looking for their veterans benefits when they get older and they have been cut. Now is that right.  My grandfather is a veteran and I feel they should get the proper benefits for fighting for our country. So there you have it Allyson Schwartz for Congress!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 28, 2004, 08:24:35 PM
My decision is set and it is a final one. I am supporting Allyson Schwartz after much prayer and thought. Even though she is Pro- Choice. Her educational views about the No Child Left Behind Law and the money the school districts need and not getting because in Washington DC it is not a priority. I also support her because she is about getting the Veterans benefits where they should be. Veterans should be able to go to a VA hospital if need be because they fought for our country proudly. President Bush cut Veterans benefits enormously this year. Therefore leaving Veterans, Va Hospitals, and homes left out to dry. That should not be especially now with the war in Iraq and we have men and women out there looking for their veterans benefits when they get older and they have been cut. Now is that right.  My grandfather is a veteran and I feel they should get the proper benefits for fighting for our country. So there you have it Allyson Schwartz for Congress!

Wow, Mark! You REALLY surprised me with that one. We know you supported her all along and you admitted you supported her when you first joined. THEN you caught yourself in contradictions when you said you supported neither candidate. You surprised no one with your "decision" tonight.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on July 28, 2004, 08:27:59 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. I do not attack for supporting melissa. I am leaving this forum as well tonight because PA 13 really doesnt concern me considering I live in PA 8 and most of my club does, but being the chairman of the Philadelphia Teenage Democrats and this being such a close race known across the country, I had to support a candidate and I feel I supported the right candidate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 28, 2004, 08:31:27 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. I do not attack for supporting melissa. I am leaving this forum as well tonight because PA 13 really doesnt concern me considering I live in PA 8 and most of my club does, but being the chairman of the Philadelphia Teenage Democrats and this being such a close race known across the country, I had to support a candidate and I feel I supported the right candidate.

Well you voiced your opinions while here and while we got into our arguements...it was entertaining.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 28, 2004, 08:36:45 PM
You are entitled to your opinion. I do not attack for supporting melissa. I am leaving this forum as well tonight because PA 13 really doesnt concern me considering I live in PA 8 and most of my club does, but being the chairman of the Philadelphia Teenage Democrats and this being such a close race known across the country, I had to support a candidate and I feel I supported the right candidate.

Don't leave the forum.  There are other good threads in here with a lot of good discussion.  I congratulate you on your decision.  Leave most of the thearguing on here to me and KeystonePhil for it si our district, but feel free to chime in!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on July 30, 2004, 05:50:17 PM
Melissa Brown is going to win this election with no ifs and or buts.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 30, 2004, 06:54:50 PM
Melissa Brown is going to win this election with no ifs and or buts.

And you know this because?  Look, she supports Bush to a tee except on some social issues.  I want a representative, not a lackey!  Whyare you a Democrat if you're supporting Brown.  Just curious.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on July 30, 2004, 07:02:24 PM
I am a democrat and I support brown because I go to Catholic High School even though she is pro choice she against funding to planned parenthoods and against partial birth abortion so therefore I support her more then Allyson. Allyson is an abortion advocate.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 30, 2004, 07:19:53 PM
I am against partial birth abortion as well (with exceptions), but I do not mind Allyson Schwartz's establishing abortion clinics.  Hey, some women need it.  I went to Catholic school as well, but I do not have a tunnel dug from my house to Cardinal Rigali's residence either.  Allyson Schwartz is the better candidate overall.  Melissa Brown supports tax cuts for the wealthy, strangling patients from suing their doctors when they screw up, and giving Bush a blank check for Iraq.  I'll admit I gave her a second look after Joe Torsella lost considering the fact she lit a fire under the PHA with regards to the mismangement of Section 8.  All things considered I am voting for Allyson Schwartz in the Fall and there is no turning back!    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on July 30, 2004, 10:13:50 PM
I was out there hard for Joe Torsella this past April. After he loss I as well went down and said to myself Melissa is the better candidate because of Her stance on section 8 housing. My chairman emphasizes that there hasnt been no new applicants since 2002. I know there hasnt been no new applicants since 2002, but there was a section 8 house on my block and the people that lived in there both past away but that is still a section 8 house so therefore other section 8 people can move in therefore I got African Americans who dont work that moved on my block. Section 8 was established for elders who cant work so it gives them  a break with prescription drugs.Mayor Street and his cronies are giving it to the wrong people and that is why Melissa Emphasizes REFORM section 8 housing not get rid of section 8 so the people that really need it get it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 31, 2004, 01:45:41 AM
I was out there hard for Joe Torsella this past April. After he loss I as well went down and said to myself Melissa is the better candidate because of Her stance on section 8 housing. My chairman emphasizes that there hasnt been no new applicants since 2002. I know there hasnt been no new applicants since 2002, but there was a section 8 house on my block and the people that lived in there both past away but that is still a section 8 house so therefore other section 8 people can move in therefore I got African Americans who dont work that moved on my block. Section 8 was established for elders who cant work so it gives them  a break with prescription drugs.Mayor Street and his cronies are giving it to the wrong people and that is why Melissa Emphasizes REFORM section 8 housing not get rid of section 8 so the people that really need it get it.

Let me clarify a few things here without being condescending..

1.  Joe Hoeffel and Jonathan Saidel have also hit on the issue of Section 8 pretty hard.  Theya re the ones who got the PHA mortatorium on Section 8 housing in Northeast Philadelphia.  Both of whom are endorsing Allyson Schwartz this election.  I really do no think Allyson Schwartz is going to buy into Street cronyism.  She would be foolish if she does and I very much doubt it.  

2.  Yes there are African Americans on Section 8, but there are also lazy redneck whites on it as well.  I feel our media does not like to show it, but at the K&A welfare office, there are many whites collecting welfare and receiving Section 8 benefits as well.  I feel Melissa Brown brought up a very good issue, but I feel she overemphasized race.    Please keep race out of discussions for future reference.

3. As I have said before, Allyson Schwartz fits me MUCH better than Melissa Brown though I share many of your concerns.  I too was a Joe Torsella supporter, but Melissa Brown is seemingly going to be a rubber stamp to Bush's polcies.  This does not sit too well with me.

I just want to ask you.. why are you a Democrat?  I respect your opposition to abortion and the mismanagement of Section 8, which I feel strongly about as well, but there are greater issues here that should not be trumped for this election.  If Melissa Brown were running for say City Council, my consideration would increase drastically for she would provide a hefty counterbalance to the far-left City Hall.  However, you must realize this is CONGRESS!!  The GOP has the White House and both the House and Senate.  Why is Section 8 not reformed?  Joe Hoeffel has fought for it and I'm sure others have in other cities.          


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on July 31, 2004, 10:38:45 AM
When it comes to malpractice suits and prescription drugs Melissa is the best candidate because she was a doctor and she knows how to face these issues. Allyson Schwartz will not since in senate she voted no on SB 9. Melissa knows we have a struggling school district and wants to better it. I believe in Melissa although you do not thats fine,  but melissa is the better candidate in this race.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 31, 2004, 07:09:52 PM
When it comes to malpractice suits and prescription drugs Melissa is the best candidate because she was a doctor and she knows how to face these issues. Allyson Schwartz will not since in senate she voted no on SB 9. Melissa knows we have a struggling school district and wants to better it. I believe in Melissa although you do not thats fine,  but melissa is the better candidate in this race.

Melissa Brown with regards to Section 8 was sleazy.  She practically painted Joe Hoeffel as inventing it with Al Sharpton's endorsement.  She is ridiculous, a snake, and makes false accusations.  She does not deserve to be my Congresswoman!

With regards to malpractice suits, she wants to limit suits SEVERELY.  She is not attacking the REAL source of the problem- THE INUSRANCE COMPANIES.  They are to blame for increasing premiums because of poor investments in the stock market, NOT PATIENT LAWSUITS.  Sens. Tommy Tomlinson and Stew Greenleaf, also Republicans, voted with Schwartz on SB 9.  

In my judgment, Melissa Brown is the wrong choice.  She has too often made baseless and false accusations.   Section 8 is a problem KILLING the Northeast and I agree strongly on that issue having come from lower Northeast Philadelphia myself.  I dreaded seeing neighborhoods my fahter grew up in, others in between such as Juniata, and eventually mine and more decay because of the gross mismanagement of Section 8.  Joe Hoeffel and Jon Saidel ahve worked very hard to stop the expansion of Section 8 until the problems are fixed.  This is not to say problems can't be fixed at the federal level.  The PHA can better manage what anyone can do in COngress.        

If you can counter any of my arguments with fact and analysis, I'd like to hear it.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 31, 2004, 09:36:20 PM
I am a democrat and I support brown because I go to Catholic High School even though she is pro choice she against funding to planned parenthoods and against partial birth abortion so therefore I support her more then Allyson. Allyson is an abortion advocate.  

A DEMOCRAT WITH BRAINS!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 31, 2004, 09:37:28 PM
When it comes to malpractice suits and prescription drugs Melissa is the best candidate because she was a doctor and she knows how to face these issues. Allyson Schwartz will not since in senate she voted no on SB 9. Melissa knows we have a struggling school district and wants to better it. I believe in Melissa although you do not thats fine,  but melissa is the better candidate in this race.

I'm really glad to see a Democrat here supporting Brown. She definetley is the best candidate in the race and even the Dems know it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on August 01, 2004, 09:36:22 AM
You know what will make Melissa win is all the dems who will vote for her in november.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 01:24:46 PM
You know what will make Melissa win is all the dems who will vote for her in november.

You have yet to counter any of my arguments.  I would still like to hear them.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Beet on August 01, 2004, 01:59:38 PM
Voting for a HOUSE candidate based on their position on abortion is stupid. It will make ZERO difference on abortion the issue between two pro-choice HOUSE candidates. The only difference it will make is what the candidate will do for the district. The Supreme Court, and Senate will decide about abortion.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 03:16:23 PM
Voting for a HOUSE candidate based on their position on abortion is stupid. It will make ZERO difference on abortion the issue between two pro-choice HOUSE candidates. The only difference it will make is what the candidate will do for the district. The Supreme Court, and Senate will decide about abortion.

What do you think I've been trying to tell these guys all along.  The same goes for Section 8 housing in this case.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 01, 2004, 05:50:09 PM
You know what will make Melissa win is all the dems who will vote for her in november.

You have yet to counter any of my arguments.  I would still like to hear them.

He's right, Handzus. The Northeast Philly Dems aren't big fans of Schwartz and they know Brown a lot better. Face it, she's a popular candidate. She came within 4 points of beating an incumbent that many thought would be safe in 2002.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 09:27:02 PM
Cook and Sabato still have it lean Democratic.  Hoeffel STILL won in NE Philly in 2002 and he wasn't the incumbent here since Borski got booted.  Melissa Brown is not Arlen Specter.  I do not understand why any prominent NE Dems are supporting Brown.  Mike McGeehan isn't.  Joe Torsella (born and raised here) isn't.  Ellen Bard in Montco isn't.  She is a fraud and will lose.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 01, 2004, 09:33:24 PM
Cook and Sabato can put it in the solid Dem column for all I care. They don't know the district like the locals do. They obviously don't see the fact that Brown is a popular and well known candidate who is taking on the issues that matter most to the voters here. PA 13 - GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 09:35:32 PM
I NEVER thought Allyson Schwartz would win the Dem nomination either, but hey what do you or I know?  Everyone knows Melissa Brown is using fear tactics to win an election.  She has never held political office and is full of sh!t.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 01, 2004, 09:37:41 PM

 NEWSFLASH - Your beloved Torsella never held political office either!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 01, 2004, 09:43:16 PM

 NEWSFLASH - Your beloved Torsella never held political office either!

Actually let me correct that. Joe Torsella DID hold "political" office as Deputy Mayor under the Rendell administration. However, I thought you were referring to ELECTED office which Torsella never held.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 09:46:59 PM
BUT Allyson Schwartz has and she will prevail in November when Bush tanks.  Melissa Brown has tied herself to him and will sink with him as far as I'm concerned.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 01, 2004, 09:52:26 PM

I think you left out alittle something Handzus...she is a State Senator, yes, BUT only a small portion of her Senate district is inside PA 13. She is an elected official BUT moved into the district when the PA 13 seat opened up. She is an elected official BUT she is completley unknown. Even if Bush does horrible here, the voters of PA 13 know how to split the ticket. Example: 2002. Rendell cruised to victory here but Brown gained 47% in the Congressional race against an incumbent. This year, Brown has the edge.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 01, 2004, 09:56:21 PM
You also have to realize Bush would have handily won here as well in 2002.  You are forgetting people do not like Bush's economy or war which Brown is fully on board with when it comes to Bush.  That got me from Torsella to tossup to Schwartz.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: timsadem on August 02, 2004, 04:46:49 PM
Handzus your a disgrace. Rendell was one of the worst mayors in Philadelphia history. Allyson Schwartz held a residence in Mount Airy most of her life until PA 13 opened up she got a condo in Jenkintown. Please get Rendels picture and Melissa's off of your messages. I am a melissa supporter and most of the members are except for the chairman of the club I  belong to. The members in our club that are 18 and just got registered to vote are also voting melissa you got it all wrong melissa will do much more for the Democrats and the republicans in the district. I am so sick of Section 8 I am glad melissa is trying to reform it. I am also glad we have a doctor and an educator running in this district.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 02, 2004, 08:19:23 PM
Tim your making a band name for the PTADS in this forum.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 03, 2004, 01:13:50 AM
Handzus your a disgrace. Rendell was one of the worst mayors in Philadelphia history. Allyson Schwartz held a residence in Mount Airy most of her life until PA 13 opened up she got a condo in Jenkintown. Please get Rendels picture and Melissa's off of your messages. I am a melissa supporter and most of the members are except for the chairman of the club I  belong to. The members in our club that are 18 and just got registered to vote are also voting melissa you got it all wrong melissa will do much more for the Democrats and the republicans in the district. I am so sick of Section 8 I am glad melissa is trying to reform it. I am also glad we have a doctor and an educator running in this district.

Awww, I'm sorry!  News flash- I've been in the working world a little longer than you have and know much more about macroeconomics than you.  Your're centrist views here are welcome, but how dare you call me a disgrace.  You and Keystone Phil seem to have little clue as to how Section 8 actually works.  If what you are saying is true, you have a lot to learn.  Unlike you I want a representative, not a Bush lackey full of hot air then turns around and denies it.  I know BS when I see it and IMO, Melissa Brown is BS!  Btw, the pictures stay!

Demoteen, please tell this character not to be so cocky at our meetings if he were to show up.  I applaud you for having such independent and complex thought at such a young age.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 03, 2004, 11:17:26 AM
Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 03, 2004, 11:23:58 AM
Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 03, 2004, 12:46:10 PM
Schwartz has represented parts of the Northeast at various times.  She is somewhat known.  To say she's unknown is false.  I know what Brown's positions are and I don't generally like them.  From reading letters in the Northeast Times there are tohers that share my opinion.  Sorry dude, Dem hold.  As consolation you guys will also hold PA-8 and 15.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 03, 2004, 01:06:16 PM

Compared to Brown, she is not as well known and you can't argue that.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 04, 2004, 02:11:02 AM
News for those who have been staying tuned....  The Philadelphia FOP has endorsed Melissa Brown.  Ok KeystonePhil, she got another union.  BIG DEAL! Allyson Schwartz is still CRUSHING Brown in that department.  The catfight has yet to begin.  I'm disappointed in the union for not thinking twice about the issues.  It must seem they could care less about other workers and their only worried about their own hides here.  They get the best benefits and are only concerned about well???  Who knows?  Schwartz has a HUGE machine behind her and the Armageddon has yet to begin.  I have confidence Schwartz will prevail in the Fall.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 04, 2004, 03:03:54 AM
To timsadem (more applies to you) and KeystonePhil:

Have both of you read the positions of both candidates running for Congress.  I know I have and I found Allyson Schwartz is far more clear, concise, and detailed about her stances and what she plans on doing.  I just got done finishing a 5 page report on what Allyson Schwartz plans on doing about freeing our dependence from foreign oil.  Allyson Schwartz has plan to raise fuel efficincy standards and appropritate tax credits where applicable in concise detail.  She also mentions what she has accomplished as a State Senator.  Please note that finding alternative energy soucres plays a key role in our national security.  

I have also read Melissa Brown's.  What are they?  She doesn't want to offend her buddies now does she?  I did mention in a previous post that Melissa Brown did indeed receive a hefty endorsement from the Philadelphia FOP.  Now that were on the subject of political contributors, here they are.  The source is straight from Melissa Brown's website:


Senator Rick Santorum, Pennsylvania:

Front and center.  Wow, Pricky Boy really says what he believes in "family values" in endorsing another pro-choice candidate. He is also a great supporter of workers' rights... NOT!  Voted to cut overtime pay, but hey the Philly police need not worry.  If their OT was voted out by a candidate a President endorsed, surely he would have a brick hurled through his window!  He also supported Jack Ryan a guy that loves to have sex in public clubs.


Congressman Dennis Hastert, U.S. House Speaker

Another winner.  Wants to eliminate the IRS in favor of a Value-added tax or a national sales tax.  IRS elimination would put a lot of Northeast Philadelphians out of work one way or another.  


Congresswoman Deborah Pryce, House Republican Conference Chair

Congressman Eric Cantor, House Chief Deputy Whip

Congressman Roy Blunt, House Majority Whip

Congressman Thomas Reynolds, Chairman, National Republican Congressional Committee

Congressman Tom Davis, Chairman, House Government Reform Committee

Congressman Bill Thomas, Chairman, House Ways & Means Committee

Congresswoman Kay Granger, House Appropriations Committee

Congresswoman Candice Miller, House Armed Services Committee

Congressman Phil English, PA-3

Congressman Jim Greenwood, PA-8

Congresswoman Melissa Hart, PA-4

If Rick Santorum were a woman, this would be it!

Congressman John Peterson, PA-5

Congressman Don Sherwood, PA-10

Congressman Pat Toomey, PA-15

Another guy that sticks to his beliefs. only when it benefits him!!


Former Congresswoman Tillie Fowler, FL-4

Former Congresswoman Susan Molinari, NY-13

Republican National Committeeman Robert Asher

A convicted felon.  Gee and why did the Philly FOP endorse Melissa Brown?  Something must be up or there was some kind of payoff!  Time will tell.


Republican National Committeewoman Christine Toretti-Olsen    



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 04, 2004, 05:58:38 AM
Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.

Hoeffel didn't win because he was seen as a moderate... PA-13 isn't exactly Texas ya know...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 04, 2004, 12:23:24 PM
Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.

Hoeffel didn't win because he was seen as a moderate... PA-13 isn't exactly Texas ya know...

Economy is sour here and Melissa Brown thinks it's so rosy and vibrant and the Bush tax cuts were attributable to it.  For having an MBA from St. Joseph's which is a fairly prestigious business school, her positions on economic issues from her website were pathetic.  She maybe had a paragraph with NO full position paper.

http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 04, 2004, 03:05:15 PM
Schwartz is (IMO) the favourite to win PA-13... it's worth remembering that Montgomery county-based Hoeffel still beat Brown in the NE Philly part of PA-13 (despite the merger of two districts the results were very similer in both halves of the district) and that that part of PA-13 was a de facto open seat.

However, 1) Schwartz is not as well known as Brown. 2) Brown is well known and popular in this area. 3) Schwartz is further left than Joe Hoeffel and the reason why Hoeffel was re-elected was because he can portray himself as a moderate (with his voting record, I have no idea how anyone could believe he's a moderate. After this Senate race, maybe the voters statewide will see just how liberal he is.) Schwartz will have a very hard time making herself out to be a moderate.

Brown is going to win this race. PA13 - GOP pickup.

Hoeffel didn't win because he was seen as a moderate... PA-13 isn't exactly Texas ya know...

Oh really? Please tell me why then? I say this with all due respect, I live in this district and people here like to think Joe Hoeffel is a moderate Dem. Unfortunatley, some still believe this even though he has never received above a 10 in the American Conservative Union ratings.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 04, 2004, 03:44:55 PM
To timsadem (more applies to you) and KeystonePhil:

Have both of you read the positions of both candidates running for Congress.  I know I have and I found Allyson Schwartz is far more clear, concise, and detailed about her stances and what she plans on doing.  I just got done finishing a 5 page report on what Allyson Schwartz plans on doing about freeing our dependence from foreign oil.  Allyson Schwartz has plan to raise fuel efficincy standards and appropritate tax credits where applicable in concise detail.  She also mentions what she has accomplished as a State Senator.  Please note that finding alternative energy soucres plays a key role in our national security.  

I have also read Melissa Brown's.  What are they?  She doesn't want to offend her buddies now does she?  I did mention in a previous post that Melissa Brown did indeed receive a hefty endorsement from the Philadelphia FOP.  Now that were on the subject of political contributors, here they are.  The source is straight from Melissa Brown's website:


Congresswoman Melissa Hart, PA-4

If Rick Santorum were a woman, this would be it!



...and you want your points to be taken seriously?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 05, 2004, 01:02:27 AM
I'm sorry Mr. KeystoneGOPTroll did I hit a nerve?  I actually provide a basis for my reasoning besides listening to the brainwashing of a Catholic high school or that neighbor or relative that sounds like Archie Bunker which you seem too eager to regurgitate on the Forum in different terms.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2004, 01:08:16 AM
I'm sorry Mr. KeystoneGOPTroll did I hit a nerve?  

Ha...I'm the troll? Last time I checked I don't flip out like you. I mean seriously, what was your EXCELLENT argument saying that if Rick Santorum was a woman, Hart would be it. What was the reasoning there?

Don't accuse me of being brainwashed, either. I form my own opinions and just because you are angry that a conservative like myself resides in NE Philly doesn't mean that conservative is "brainwashed."


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 05, 2004, 03:25:41 AM
I'm sorry Mr. KeystoneGOPTroll did I hit a nerve?  

Ha...I'm the troll? Last time I checked I don't flip out like you. I mean seriously, what was your EXCELLENT argument saying that if Rick Santorum was a woman, Hart would be it. What was the reasoning there?

Don't accuse me of being brainwashed, either. I form my own opinions and just because you are angry that a conservative like myself resides in NE Philly doesn't mean that conservative is "brainwashed."

The Melissa Hart comment was merely an auxiliary talking point.  She is from the same part of PA, has almost carbon copy views both economically and politically, about the same age, and really don't look that much different.  If you haven't noticed, the brunt of my argument were the first two schmucks that are endorsing Brown.  You have not at any point given me a good argument as to why I should vote for Melissa Brown.  Furthermore, considering some of the @ssholes listed above, I stand by Allyson Schwartz even more now than ever!  Please Keystone, I'm sorry Melissa Brown is worthless after Section 8 as far as I'm concerned.  You are defending a loser that has more complex thoughts about Section 8 than she does taxes, the economy, or alternative energy sources combined!  As much as I would like to see the program fixed, I personally think it's pathetic she can not articulate the issues on a website.  Melissa Brown's accompishments show more endorsements than issues.

I hate to bust your balls here, but your arguments have been very weak in Melissa Brown's defense.  Your thoughts regarding these issues are a mere amalgamam of crap from Archie Bunker-like neighbors and the brainwashings of conservative, sometimes religious zealot, Catholic high school teachers, and maybe some poorly educated white men writing articles in the Northeast Times.  I have heard every argument in Melissa Brown's defense many of times before I even entered this forum.  You have not said anything new here.  Any grown adult that trumps the Section 8 issue above all else has an Archie Bunker mentality.. I'm sorry, but I'm telling the truth!  Considering all of this issues that are facing us, I can not afford to be so narrow minded.  As for the Catholic high school teachers, many of them only see two things.. right and wrong.  You and a lot of people in Northeast Philadelphia, parts of my own family included, have no idea about WHY a person needs an abortion.  The people that design the tenets of the Catholic faith haven't a clue to what American society is like.  I have at Catholic school come across very socially conservativve, yet very book-educated Oblates of St. Francis of DeSales.  The problem is many are over the age of 60 and only see things in black and white and what things were.  These people have never had children to show them other ways of thinking.            


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2004, 11:08:47 AM
Oh please tell me Handzus, why does someone NEED an abortion? I think I know why...they get willingly get pregnant and have no way out so they think ENDING AN INNOCENT LIFE because they didn't want to get pregnant is the way out. Give it a rest, Handzus.

And I have to point out something that really amuses me...you say you want reform in Section 8 but you are supporting a candidate who won't even address the issue! Do you think Schwartz will mention Section 8 during the campaign? Unless asked about it during a debate, I HIGHLY doubt she'll ever mention it.

Oh and please move past your cliches about poorly educated white men that write to the NE Times and the Archie Bunker religious zealots that you always talk about. Why is it that the conservatives always "brainwash" people? I think you don't want to believe that there are conservatives here, Handzus and we aren't brainwashed. I find that to be an excuse whenever I talk to a liberal. They always think that a conservative my age didn't reach the conclusion to be a conservative on my own. Well let me make it known to you Handzus and anyone else, I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I CHOSE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. NO ONE made that decision for me.

Also, if you think Brown's only issue is Section 8 you really don't know the candidate. Medical malpractice and tort reform are other big issues she is focusing on. What's Schwartz's message? Is it something like.. I'm not a Republican. I don't support the Bush adminstration. Wow! That's a GREAT platform! Sure. Go to her site and you'll see she has a poll about Cheney being VP. Where is the focus on the ISSUES, Handzus?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 05, 2004, 09:24:07 PM
Hello Everyone, This evening I met Allyson Schwartz. She is the nicest lady I have ever met. She is a strong women in politics and I feel she will win PA 13. She has a lot of strong views that I support such as giving the Veterans Benefits back, improving the No Child left behind act, creating jobs in NE Philadelphia and Montgomery County, and lastly a hot topic affordable prescription drugs for all. In response to you Phil, She has never even mentioned the topic of Section 8 reform because she doesn't want to use scare tactics to win this election. She however wants to win on real issues that we her future constituents are faced with everyday. So Phil maybe you should tell your good old friend melissa to stop stressing that issue because I myself frankly is sick of hearing about it and I get the drift that many are sick of hearing it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2004, 09:26:31 PM
In response to you Phil, She has never even mentioned the topic of Section 8 reform because she doesn't want to use scare tactics to win this election.

...Or she just doesn't want to discuss the issues important to the PA 13 voters...

Oh and Demotroll, I don't think anyone cares about what you are sick of hearing. You don't live in PA 13, you obviously don't know what they voters care about so saying that you are "sick" of hearing about Section 8 means very little to anyone.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 05, 2004, 09:35:38 PM
Section 8 housing is not an important issue.To the people of Pa 13 an important issue would be Affordable Prescription Drugs, Revision of the No Child Left Behind Act. I know I do not live in PA 13, but I have relatives, friends, colleagues, and neighbors that do live in PA 13 so I hear their concerns and they are sick of hearing  Stop Section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress. Melissa has no pryor political experience why do you think she will do so great in washington.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2004, 09:40:08 PM
Section 8 housing is not an important issue.To the people of Pa 13 an important issue would be Affordable Prescription Drugs, Revision of the No Child Left Behind Act. I know I do not live in PA 13, but I have relatives, friends, colleagues, and neighbors that do live in PA 13 so I hear their concerns and they are sick of hearing  Stop Section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress. Melissa has no pryor political experience why do you think she will do so great in washington.

Having prior political experience would been good but because she has none doesn't mean she'll do bad in DC. She'd be a much stronger voice than Schwartz and has great knowledge on the issues. Section 8 is not the only issue. She is discussing medical malpractice reform, tort reform, job creation and homeland security. So you and Handzus should stop thinking her ONLY issue is Section 8. Also, you still don't get that Section 8 IS a major issue here. I don't need to here from someone that's not in this district what is and what is not important to the voters here. Maybe your friends and relatives (colleagues? You have colleagues in what?) might not care about it but they certainly don't speak for voters in Mayfair and Bridesburg who are DIRECTLY effected.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 05, 2004, 09:51:12 PM
First of all Phil I have colleagues in the Dept of Recreation and Free Library of Philadelphia in the city. Second of all Phill how will Melissa know how to make job creation when she lived on a farm in RURAL TN. She barely worked a day in her life. So how is she going to make job creation. Homeland protection well tell her good friend Bush to get us out of Iraq and maybe the terrorist will leave us alone by having a presence over in Iraq we are pissing off the terrorist and therefore we will not be safe until Bush is out of office and Melissa is recked in November.Fourth of all my grandmother passed away recently and my grandfather who is still living but moved recently to the suburbs lived in Mayfair and didn't have one problem with section 8 housing. People in Mayfair and Bridesburg who think they have section 8 housing on their block really dont. It is people buying houses and renting/selling houses who are bringing bad people into their neighborhoods. A good realtor in Mayfair told me that. She also told me Section 8 isnt a concern anymore, the real concern are these people buying homes and selling/renting them for half their value and the neighbors think it is section 8 when it is people, not the government/city.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2004, 10:09:50 PM
First of all Phil I have colleagues in the Dept of Recreation and Free Library of Philadelphia in the city. Second of all Phill how will Melissa know how to make job creation when she lived on a farm in RURAL TN.

WHAT? First of all, I guess they don't have JOBS on FARMS? That was the most idiotic comment I have ever seen. Secondly, she only lived in RURAL TN for about a year or two as a CHILD. Why don't we talk about Schwartz living in NYC and not even living in PA13. Brown has lived and raised her family here.

And also, what are you talking about Section 8 isn't a problem? Go talk to the actual people EFFECTED by it, Demotroll, not some realtor. Also, saying that people claim Section 8 on their block and really don't is also an idiotic comment. People know when its Section 8 and they know that it needs REAL reform, not just talk. (Actually, like you said, Schwartz won't even discuss it. Hmmm ignoring a concern of the voters?) I think you guys want to downplay the problems of the district. You want to ignore the problems that exist. That is why Schwartz won't talk about it. We have real concerns here in PA 13 and we will have a REAL leader address these concerns in Congress. Her name is Melissa Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 01:23:01 AM
I share many of the concerns Demoteen04 just stated on here.  Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.  I live in PA-13 adn I am voting for Allyson Schwartz.  Prescription drugs need to be more affordable for ALL.  The growth of Section 8 housing has been null since 2002 and  housing prices are skyrocketing in many places.  I fully understand the program has ruined once good neighborhoods such as Frankford, Juniata, Feltonville, Olney, and Harrowgate sour, but there is little if anything Brown can do about it.  Most of what Melissa Brown will provide would be anohter vote for the DeLay-Hastert agenda.  Allyson Schwartz has EXPERIENCE in the political process.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 01:24:02 AM
 I live in PA-13 adn I am voting for Allyson Schwartz.    

I would have never thought... :P


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 01:32:00 AM
Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 01:44:01 AM
Oh please tell me Handzus, why does someone NEED an abortion? I think I know why...they get willingly get pregnant and have no way out so they think ENDING AN INNOCENT LIFE because they didn't want to get pregnant is the way out. Give it a rest, Handzus.

And I have to point out something that really amuses me...you say you want reform in Section 8 but you are supporting a candidate who won't even address the issue! Do you think Schwartz will mention Section 8 during the campaign? Unless asked about it during a debate, I HIGHLY doubt she'll ever mention it.

Oh and please move past your cliches about poorly educated white men that write to the NE Times and the Archie Bunker religious zealots that you always talk about. Why is it that the conservatives always "brainwash" people? I think you don't want to believe that there are conservatives here, Handzus and we aren't brainwashed. I find that to be an excuse whenever I talk to a liberal. They always think that a conservative my age didn't reach the conclusion to be a conservative on my own. Well let me make it known to you Handzus and anyone else, I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I CHOSE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. NO ONE made that decision for me.

Also, if you think Brown's only issue is Section 8 you really don't know the candidate. Medical malpractice and tort reform are other big issues she is focusing on. What's Schwartz's message? Is it something like.. I'm not a Republican. I don't support the Bush adminstration. Wow! That's a GREAT platform! Sure. Go to her site and you'll see she has a poll about Cheney being VP. Where is the focus on the ISSUES, Handzus?

I was about to respond to this earlier today, but our power got cut off.  I am going to first answer WHY a woman needs an abortion.  First and foremost, it could be because of the life of the mother or rape, which if I'm not mistaken you agree with me on.  However, I will emphasize where we DON"T agree.  I can not fully evaluate, as a rational human being, the motive for why a woman needs an abortion for I am not a woman.  I would like to keep that option open for whatever reason a woman chooses.  As for the argument of economic inconveniece, yes it holds water.  I'll start by saying our sex drive fully comes into play at about age 17 or 18.  In the post-WWII era, people dated their high school sweetheart then married at ages such as 18, 19 , or 20.  Most were lucky to even have a HS diploma and worked in a neighborhood factory.  This is coupled with the fact that real estate values were much cheaper and less education was needed to afford necessities.  Unfortunatuely today's economy requires more education and puts students in massive debts they're paying until age 35 in some cases.  This is a major hindurance to having the capabilty to raise a family.  Meanwhile between goign to college and about age 30 when you can finally afford to get married, you will want to have sex.  The "self-control" argument holds no water with me.  A wealthier person can easily affrod to get married at an earlier age... I FREAKING CAN'T!!  Why should a poorer person be denied the pleasure of sex because they can ill afford the consequences thereafter?  In many pre-martial pregnancies, it is better for both mother and baby to terminate a preganancy.  This can not be an easy thing for the mother, but it should be her decision as to whether it is in her best interest. Prime examples include a girl finishing high school or college.  If a girl's education is interrupted, this severly hinders her ability to raise the child and if her partner also has to drop out, potential earnings to better care for the child severely decrease.  This is not an individual decision I feel I can make.

I know the Roman Catholic tenets mean well on this matter, but the Republican party clearly wants to keep the poor.. poor in this case.  The GOP likes to use issues such as this to say "Haha, you got pregnant now you're poor.. boo-hiss for your moral failing and you should have to live with that scar forever."  They LOVE people that have large families becasue it is statistically proven that the educational opportunuites and well-being of childrem DRAMATICALLY decrease after 3 kids.  The GOP loves the fact that kids are less likely to go to college under these cirumstances to they can either be their peons or join the army as the only way out.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 01:47:09 AM
Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.

Oh, Brown supports President Bush IN THE MAJOR AREAS!  Abortion has always been a moot issue for me so her pro-choice stance means absolutely nothing.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 01:52:44 AM
Oh please tell me Handzus, why does someone NEED an abortion? I think I know why...they get willingly get pregnant and have no way out so they think ENDING AN INNOCENT LIFE because they didn't want to get pregnant is the way out. Give it a rest, Handzus.

And I have to point out something that really amuses me...you say you want reform in Section 8 but you are supporting a candidate who won't even address the issue! Do you think Schwartz will mention Section 8 during the campaign? Unless asked about it during a debate, I HIGHLY doubt she'll ever mention it.

Oh and please move past your cliches about poorly educated white men that write to the NE Times and the Archie Bunker religious zealots that you always talk about. Why is it that the conservatives always "brainwash" people? I think you don't want to believe that there are conservatives here, Handzus and we aren't brainwashed. I find that to be an excuse whenever I talk to a liberal. They always think that a conservative my age didn't reach the conclusion to be a conservative on my own. Well let me make it known to you Handzus and anyone else, I AM A CONSERVATIVE AND I CHOSE TO BE A CONSERVATIVE. NO ONE made that decision for me.

Also, if you think Brown's only issue is Section 8 you really don't know the candidate. Medical malpractice and tort reform are other big issues she is focusing on. What's Schwartz's message? Is it something like.. I'm not a Republican. I don't support the Bush adminstration. Wow! That's a GREAT platform! Sure. Go to her site and you'll see she has a poll about Cheney being VP. Where is the focus on the ISSUES, Handzus?

Why should a poorer person be denied the pleasure of sex because they can ill afford the consequences thereafter?

Why? I'll tell you why...because ending a life is more serious than someone fulfilling their own desires. That's a problem in society that you fail to realize. It's this belief that someone's desires come before more important things. It is DISGUSTING to think of someone saying something along the lines of...well I can fulfill my desire and then just get an abortion. No big deal. Now tell me that is not sick. That innocent life is more important to me than anyone's desires.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 01:54:46 AM
Considering the pitfalls of the Bush Administration, I do not feel any candidate echoing them regardless of their views on Section 8 housing can sway my vote.

Let me say that though Brown supports President Bush in areas, she does not echo anyone. She is her own voice. If you won't support Brown, fine but don't accuse her of just an echo. She has strong beliefs and she will voice what she believes.

Oh, Brown supports President Bush IN THE MAJOR AREAS!  

Ok? Does that mean she will echo everything President Bush says? No. What if I turned around and said Schwartz supports John Street in major areas and that makes her an "echo." Oh no then it wouldn't be fair, right Handzus?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 02:08:18 AM
You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class considering the economic factors I have listed above.  You are so vain and naive as to think the life of an unborn baby comes before that of a functioning human being.  You really have no clue as to what the average person around you goes through.  OK, you may be in one of those "Leave It To Beaver" type families where you're told "work hard, go to school, save money, raise a family."  Those are good values one should attain for and I'll agree with you.  However, the picture isn't always so rosy and you fail to realize that bigtime.  Like I said, it was A LOT easier to start a family at 19 years of age in the 1940s then it is today.  I feel there should be no law that should hinder the development of an EXISTING human being.  Overturning Roe v. Wade does just that.  It essentially forces a 16 year old girl, in many cases, to give up any chance at her future.  I feel there are a lot of gray areas here you are failing to  realize.  I don't like abortion either, but whatever the case many be, I can not be responsible for hindering it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 02:23:34 AM
You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 02:33:56 AM
You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.

Well maybe there are times a baby is better aborted (in the early stages of course).  The problem with you is you think within this little world of the white neighbood with a huge parish church in the middle.  Guess what, those days are coming to close buddy!  The reason Northeast Philly has an immodicum of conservatism is because these 50-60 something white men who were probably once Democrats are secure in their fixed pension from the FOP or wherever and think it's ok to now worry about a black person moving on their block or yes, abortion.  Some of these men are PETRIFIED of their precious white Catholic neighborhood turning black.  I feel many of these men must have forgot what it was like 30 years ago when they too were worried about getting drafted and not being able to find work.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 02:39:02 AM
You really haven't a Goddamn clue do you?  You don't think anti-abortionism is horribly skewed against the poor and working class

When a baby is aborted, Handzus, it doesn't matter if it's coming from a poor mother or a working class mother or a middle class mother or a wealthy mother. Maybe YOU haven't a clue.  If someone WILLINGLY gets pregnant, they are RESPONSIBLE for that life. Remember that Handzus, it's a LIFE.

Well maybe there are times a baby is better aborted (in the early stages of course).  The problem with you is you think within this little world of the white neighbood with a huge parish church in the middle.  Guess what, those days are coming to close buddy!  The reason Northeast Philly has an immodicum of conservatism is because these 50-60 something white men who were probably once Democrats are secure in their fixed pension from the FOP or wherever and think it's ok to now worry about a black person moving on their block or yes, abortion.  Some of these men are PETRIFIED of their precious white Catholic neighborhood turning black.  I feel many of these men must have forgot what it was like 30 years ago when they too were worried about getting drafted and not being able to find work.  

If you want to turn this into your Northeast Philly white Catholic males between the ages of 50-60 are racists  then I will not continue this conversation. That's what you and your pals like to turn to when you don't have a good arguement and I don't want to hear it anymore.

And let me tell you this...I don't think that NE Philly is one giant white neighborhood with a Catholic parish in the middle. Your stereotyping is getting old, Handzus. Find some arguements instead of the same old garbage you like to throw out there.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 02:44:27 AM
...and with my last post, PA13 thread is now #10 on the "Most replies" list.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 02:48:18 AM
First of all, I never said ALL, I know many who are as liberal as myself even more so.  I still feel that my assesment is fairly accurate.  There are a lot of previous Democrats that jumped on the GOP's bait in Northeast Philadelphia.  Do I not have an argument here?  Issues such as jobs and health care affect these people very little because they have it.  You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  These are mere auxiliary issues the GOP in general just LOVE to bring to the forefront on their debates.  Yes issues such as Section 8 affect paying homeowners nearby, but compared to the job PAYING that mortgage, Section 8 is a mere pittance and the GOP knows it so they try to appeal to people on certain issues because they know their arguments are going to hold little water.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 02:54:31 AM
You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 03:02:04 AM
You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.


OK, tort reform is the same as medical malpractice.  As for the latter issues, Allyson Schwartz has MUCH more detailed and concise opinions on them as well.  Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 10:29:10 AM
You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.


 Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!

Really? Well you continue to prove to me that you know nothing about the candidate. Read this Handzus, and then tell me all she mentions are Bush's tax cuts... http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2004, 12:28:20 PM
You have proven this point of mine in previous posts by saying hwo Section 8 and yes Medical Malpractice are teh end all be all of issues.  

They are not the only issues. Brown is focusing on Section 8 reform, medical malpractice reform.. (which you still refuse to admit are two major issues here in PA 13. But that's ok. When the morning after the election roles around you'll see what is important to the voters)..tort reform, job creation, homeland security...her campaign is not just focused on Section 8, Handzus. You obviously don't know much about her candidacy if you think she is only stressing Section 8 reform.


 Melissa Brown's statement on job creation was merely Bush's tax cuts were helpgul which IMO is false.  THAT WAS IT!!

Really? Well you continue to prove to me that you know nothing about the candidate. Read this Handzus, and then tell me all she mentions are Bush's tax cuts... http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/jobs.htm)


Never mind.  However, I will still go with the fact she does not even come close to Allyson Schwartz's positions.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on August 06, 2004, 12:50:22 PM
...and with my last post, PA13 thread is now #10 on the "Most replies" list.

Where is this list located?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 12:55:06 PM
...and with my last post, PA13 thread is now #10 on the "Most replies" list.

Where is this list located?

Now PA 13 is #9! :)  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=;action=stats (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=;action=stats)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 06, 2004, 02:51:45 PM
Phil get back on the subject PLEASE


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 06, 2004, 03:20:09 PM
Phil get back on the subject PLEASE

Umm Demotroll, just because I brought up alittle side note and someone asked me about it doesn't mean I am off topic totally. And really, you shouldn't talk, when you have change the subject time and time again while on this thread.

Also, your last post was really pointless. If you don't have anything to say, why are you posting? If you wanted to post a point of yours, then go ahead. No need to tell me to get back on subject when I was answering someone's question.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on August 06, 2004, 07:26:43 PM

Now PA 13 is #9! :)  https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=;action=stats (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=;action=stats)

Cool, I never saw that page before.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 07, 2004, 04:27:35 PM
Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 07, 2004, 05:24:27 PM
Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 07, 2004, 06:37:46 PM
Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.

Well she did to Joe Hoeffel and Ellen Bard.  Jobs??? HA!  What lot of jobs at Wal-Mart that pay $6/hr. with no benefits!! Come on here.  She thinks that tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs.  Trickle down economics does not work son.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 07, 2004, 07:05:12 PM
Melissa Brown for congress..... Stop section 8 housing vote melissa brown for congress heheh.... the only issue she uses because it can help her win her race against the nice and intellectual Allyson Schwartz. Allyson Schwartz for congress.... Affordable Prescription Drugs for ALL....... Your choice who is the better candidate. Melissa needs to stop verbally attacking her candidates. People are picking up on it Joe Hoeffel, Ellen Bard, and now Allyson Schwartz am I the only one seeing this pattern. I highly doubt it.

You really don't want to admit that Section 8 is NOT the only issue Brown is bringing up. Jobs, homeland security, medical malpractice...you really need to realize that she is discussing all types of issues while Schwartz ignores what is important. AND Brown is not verbally attacking Schwartz. I have never see that happen, Demotroll, and I bet you didn't either.

Well she did to Joe Hoeffel and Ellen Bard.  Jobs??? HA!  What lot of jobs at Wal-Mart that pay $6/hr. with no benefits!! Come on here.  She thinks that tax breaks for the wealthy create jobs.  Trickle down economics does not work son.  

Hey want to know what really doesn't work? Not addressing the issues that matter to voters. You might not like to admit it Handzus but Section 8 reform DOES matter here. And Demotroll has admitted that Schwartz refuses to discuss it. Now is that what the voters want, Handzus? I don't think so.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 08, 2004, 03:10:35 AM
Dude, how freaking vain are you?  Jobs, PLEASE!  Melissa Brown unabashedly supports this boneheaded adminstration along with the pricks in the House and Senate that go along with it.  People in both Northeast Phialdelphia and Montogomery Co. voted Hoeffel in 2002 and what makes 2004 is any different?  You have yet to answer that.  I knwo Section 8 is an issue, but not of Congressional importance.  You have no clue do you?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 10:35:41 AM
People in both Northeast Phialdelphia and Montogomery Co. voted Hoeffel in 2002 and what makes 2004 is any different?  

I have no clue? Or do you just refuse to admit your candidate will lose this election? It's Brown vs. Schwartz, not Hoeffel vs. Brown again. THAT is the difference this election (did you not realize that little detail yet, Handzus?). Your candidate is even further left than Hoeffel and people aren't going to accept her positions.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 08, 2004, 11:37:15 AM
Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 11:43:59 AM
Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.

Well where is Schwartz's experience as a doctor, Mark? Or as small buisness owner? Brown has experience on issues like job creation and medical malpractice and prescription drugs. Voters will realize Schwartz's time as a State Senator...out of the PA 13 district! Brown has lived here much of life and has raised her family here. Her experience with this district is better than any other candidate. The people know and like her.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 08, 2004, 11:52:20 AM
Okay, The people of PA 13  do not know Melissa Brown because she lived in that district, I am not saying Allyson Schwartz people know, but people in PA 13 have heard of Allyson Because of her State Senate seat. Melissa has never held a political office. Allyson has a big issue about Affordable Prescription drugs for all and this is a big issue she doesnt need to be a doctor to get this issue up in Congress. Malpractice reform is a state issue not an issue for congress. My heart doctor for all my life moved to California where it would be cheaper for him to practice medicine. I can't see how that would be an issue for congress when other states aren't having the same problem PA is having.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 08, 2004, 11:55:20 AM
Job creation is something Allyson is well known for in her state senate district 4 Allyson created many jobs and was know for that. Just because Melissa owned a small business doesnt mean she knows how to get large businesses to creat jobs.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 11:56:16 AM
Okay, The people of PA 13  do not know Melissa Brown because she lived in that district, I am not saying Allyson Schwartz people know

Ok well that line just made no sense at all. Not surprising though...


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Allyson has a big issue about Affordable Prescription drugs for all and this is a big issue she doesnt need to be a doctor to get this issue up in Congress.

Being a doctor gives Melissa a lot of experience on the issue.

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Malpractice reform is a state issue not an issue for congress. My heart doctor for all my life moved to California where it would be cheaper for him to practice medicine. I can't see how that would be an issue for congress when other states aren't having the same problem PA is having.

Congress has nothing to do with medical malpratice issues? I won't even respond to that its so ridiculous...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 09, 2004, 02:40:43 AM
Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.

Or as small buisness owner? Brown has experience on issues like job creation and medical malpractice and prescription drugs.

If I'm not mistaken didn't she bankrupt that business?  You know the insurance company she formed with her husband.  Yeah, people in the 13th District really buy into Enron Economics.  Like hell I'll vote for another example of it on my watch.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 09, 2004, 02:48:27 AM
I would also like to point out a few local GOP's "race baiting" games.  All of these candidates currently running for the US House have made such statements that have directly mentioned race or insinuated it:

PA-1:  Deborah Williams regarding Bob Brady.  "Unions are for white people."

PA-2:  Stewart Bolno (a white male)-  African Americans should ignore the "white liberals" because they use them.

PA-13:  Melissa Brown...  Basically insinutaes racial fear in trying to get her vote.  Unlike the first two clowns, she's actually playing to whiteness to vote GOP.

This is really interesting stuff.  It's amazing they can not stand toe to toe with the Democrats on real issues instead these @sswipes use the race card to further their agenda.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 09, 2004, 02:04:22 PM
Hey Handzus that is pretty neat how you put these three races together and shown  how they use the race card to win their election.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 09, 2004, 02:08:46 PM
Hey Handzus that is pretty neat how you put these three races together and shown  how they use the race card to win their election.

Come to think of it, it's really sad how they try to win elections using these tactics because they have little else to rely on.  PA-1 and PA-2 are locks for the Democrats regardless, but if PA-13 goes GOP, it will be because of race and people know it.  Ellen Bard would have been the GOP's best chance.  People out in Montgomery who voted Bard want nothing to do with Brown and Bard is not endorsing her, yet Torsella is endorsing Schwartz.  I hope Torsella unifies the Democrats and tells his supporters from Northeast Philly to vote Schwartz.  I'm on AIM btw.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 09, 2004, 11:07:43 PM
Hey Handzus that is pretty neat how you put these three races together and shown  how they use the race card to win their election.

Haha! Philadelphia Dems saying the GOP is using the race card...wow that's a good one..


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 09, 2004, 11:09:55 PM
Hey Handzus that is pretty neat how you put these three races together and shown  how they use the race card to win their election.

 but if PA-13 goes GOP, it will be because of race and people know it.

No this isn't about race and the people are getting tired of your party playing the race card.
 
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Ellen Bard would have been the GOP's best chance.

You must be joking. She would have been the weakest possible candidate and it's funny...I remember you first saying that the GOP nominated the strongest candidate when we chose Brown. Change your mind so quickly, Handzus?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 09, 2004, 11:37:26 PM
Hey Phil, I think people will elect Allyson Schwartz in November because she has done a lot for her district as state senator and it will carry onto Congress. I think she has the right stuff to get Affordable Prescription Drugs for all and Jobs with good benefits in NE Philly and Mont Co. The kind of stuff Melissa Brown doesn't have.

Or as small buisness owner? Brown has experience on issues like job creation and medical malpractice and prescription drugs.

If I'm not mistaken didn't she bankrupt that business?  You know the insurance company she formed with her husband.  Yeah, people in the 13th District really buy into Enron Economics.  Like hell I'll vote for another example of it on my watch.


I don't know if it went bankrupt but I do know this....comparing Brown's buisness to Enron is another one of the many ridiculous things you say. If you don't even know if the buisness went bankrupt, why would you say it's Enron economics?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2004, 01:18:29 AM
You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

I'll admit I have changed my postion on Bard or Brown being the best because Bard would practically lock Montgomery County and siphon the Northeast Philly GOP.  Brown is NOT getting overwhelming support from the GOP in Montgomery County.  She definitely needs NE Philadelphia Dems to win and considering the state of the economy, she'll only get a few of those coupled with the fact Joe Torsella has pushed for Schwartz.  Same can't be said for Bard supporters and Brown.  The primary in Montgomery County caused too much bad blood within the GOP plus the fact that Bob Asher, a convicted felon and known in Montco, is backing Brown.  The only fortunate thing for Brown is she can put it past her in the Northeast.  Unfortunately, Brown will get no more than 50% here because there are just too many people that outright fear the national (were not talking about Perzel and Taylor here) Republican party in Philadelphia, especially the New Deal seniors and you know there are many of them.  There are also many trades union people that are anti-GOP as well.  Where Brown's support is going to come from are the NE residents and their spouses of the FOP.  Despite their endorsement, many white cops go GOP anyway, but even that maybe questionable due to other economic factors as well.      

As for the race card, yes I'll admit Street used it and I didn't vote for him as a result.  I will own up to our bad apples in our tent when need be.  The question is will you?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 01:26:47 AM
You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

If you don't know if her buisness went bankrupt, why would you compare her buisness to Enron? My point is, don't say it if you don't even know if she went bankrupt! Plus, IF her buisness went bankrupt, it would not be an Enron type bankruptcy and you know that.

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I will own up to our bad apples in our tent when need be.  The question is will you?

My candidate is not playing the race card with this issue. In 2002, the Dems actually did. Labeling her a "racist" for bringing up an issue that the people want discussed! Demotroll has stated before that Schwartz refuses to mention Section 8 reform. How come, Handzus? Why isn't she discussing this important issue? You get to decide what is important in your eyes but you don't get to decide what is important in the eyes of other voters, Handzus. So aside from the point that you don't think this is as important, what would you say to the majority of votes that DO see it as a crucial issue? And why isn't Schwartz discussing this?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2004, 01:38:59 AM
You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

If you don't know if her buisness went bankrupt, why would you compare her buisness to Enron? My point is, don't say it if you don't even know if she went bankrupt! Plus, IF her buisness went bankrupt, it would not be an Enron type bankruptcy and you know that.

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I will own up to our bad apples in our tent when need be.  The question is will you?

My candidate is not playing the race card with this issue. In 2002, the Dems actually did. Labeling her a "racist" for bringing up an issue that the people want discussed! Demotroll has stated before that Schwartz refuses to mention Section 8 reform. How come, Handzus? Why isn't she discussing this important issue? You get to decide what is important in your eyes but you don't get to decide what is important in the eyes of other voters, Handzus. So aside from the point that you don't think this is as important, what would you say to the majority of votes that DO see it as a crucial issue? And why isn't Schwartz discussing this?

Melissa Brown did more that just "bring up" Section 8.  And yes she insinuated the race card very much so in 2002.  She falsely said Hoeffel was endorsed by Al Sharpton, sent out campaign literature showing a picture of Hoeffel with Street, and said a vote for Hoeffel will drive down property values and make Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philly.  She may have not directly mentioned race, but her objective was to stir racial fears and you know it.  Like I have said before, Hoeffel along with Jon Saidel, pushed for a mortatorium on Section 8.  Above Cottman Ave., there has been little problems and housing prices have skyrocketed.  Most of the problems associated with Section 8 are in Bob Brady's part of the Northeast in places such as Juniata, Frankford, Summerdale, Olney, Feltonville, and Kensington where the damage has been done 10-20 years ago when no one could foresee it.  I'm sure my friends, neighbors and relatives have been more effected by it than you, yet I'm not wooing Melissa Brown so quickly and I know others aren't.  Yeah, Hoeffel won the Northeast and if Brown wants to bring sh**t like she did in 2002, she'll get laughed out.  Her gameplan is known and Schwartz has millions to attack it.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 01:47:26 AM
You're so touting how Melissa Brown is a business owner, yet she ran a business into bankruptcy just like Bush did 4 times and Enron.  Is this something I'm supposed to buy? Hardly!  

If you don't know if her buisness went bankrupt, why would you compare her buisness to Enron? My point is, don't say it if you don't even know if she went bankrupt! Plus, IF her buisness went bankrupt, it would not be an Enron type bankruptcy and you know that.

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I will own up to our bad apples in our tent when need be.  The question is will you?

My candidate is not playing the race card with this issue. In 2002, the Dems actually did. Labeling her a "racist" for bringing up an issue that the people want discussed! Demotroll has stated before that Schwartz refuses to mention Section 8 reform. How come, Handzus? Why isn't she discussing this important issue? You get to decide what is important in your eyes but you don't get to decide what is important in the eyes of other voters, Handzus. So aside from the point that you don't think this is as important, what would you say to the majority of votes that DO see it as a crucial issue? And why isn't Schwartz discussing this?

Melissa Brown did more that just "bring up" Section 8.  And yes she insinuated the race card very much so in 2002.  She falsely said Hoeffel was endorsed by Al Sharpton, sent out campaign literature showing a picture of Hoeffel with Street, and said a vote for Hoeffel will drive down property values and make Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philly.

That lit was not sponsored by Brown's campaign. How funny how you decided to leave that out, Handzus.

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Like I have said before, Hoeffel along with Jon Saidel, pushed for a mortatorium on Section 8.

Hoeffel has not done nearly as much as Brown can do. And Handzus, wait a minute...I thought you said a member of Congress can't do that much on this issue. If Hoeffel was able to push for a mortatorium, Brown will be able to seek more reform. That's obviously what people want here and you still have not accepted that.

 
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Yeah, Hoeffel won the Northeast and if Brown wants to bring sh**t like she did in 2002, she'll get laughed out.  Her gameplan is known and Schwartz has millions to attack it.        

The people of the Northeast know which candidate is actually ADDRESSING the issues important to them. Brown will do a lot better here than she did in 2002. The voters know her a lot better and will definetley like her a lot better. I can't wait till her and Schwartz have a debate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2004, 02:04:50 AM
What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  Please enlighten me.  I think after the crap Bush has pulled, people are A LOT more privvy to other issues than they were in 2002 and still Brown lost, though narrowly.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 09:23:33 AM
What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  

A lot more than what is being done now....

http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm)

You and I both know that more reform is needed and can be achieved. You just don't want to give Brown credit. Once Hoeffel is able to do something it's great and wonderful but if Brown were to get to Congress it's the same old   Oh she can't do anything about it line from you.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2004, 12:39:53 PM
What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  

A lot more than what is being done now....

http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm)

You and I both know that more reform is needed and can be achieved. You just don't want to give Brown credit. Once Hoeffel is able to do something it's great and wonderful but if Brown were to get to Congress it's the same old   Oh she can't do anything about it line from you.

I think you're prioritizing one issue too much and giving Brown too much credit on one issue.  In fact, it was Jonathan Saidel who pushed harder for the mortatorium.  It's the city government that's responsible for the distribution and policing of Section 8 housing, not the feds.  All the federal government does is provide the funding for these programs.  You are failing to realize an awful lot here.  Most of the Northeast below Cottman Ave. is toast anyway regardless of who gets elected adn you knwo what I don't think it would matter above Cottman Ave either.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 12:45:02 PM
What more can Brown do regarding Section 8 other than eliminating it?  

A lot more than what is being done now....

http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm)

You and I both know that more reform is needed and can be achieved. You just don't want to give Brown credit. Once Hoeffel is able to do something it's great and wonderful but if Brown were to get to Congress it's the same old   Oh she can't do anything about it line from you.

I think you're prioritizing one issue too much and giving Brown too much credit on one issue.

I'm not focusing on just one issue and neither is Brown. But when it comes to Section 8, I'm giving Brown all the credit she deserves. Not only is she offering her solution to the problem, she is actually addressing it. And then there is Schwartz who won't even talk about it. I understand that we have different opinions on this but wouldn't you agree that not talking about it when its a big issue is not wise?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2004, 12:46:50 PM
I'm not going to vote for someone just because they are merely "talking" about something.  I'm just saying Schwartz's plan holds a heck of  alot more water than Brown's plans.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 12:48:40 PM
I'm not going to vote for someone just because they are merely "talking" about something.  

She's not just talking Handzus. Like I said, she is putting out a plan. The point I'm trying to make is that Brown is discussing an issue that the voters really do care about while Schwartz has been ignoring it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 10, 2004, 08:25:50 PM
Yo dude your a such a geek ok listen to what me and handzus have been trying to tell you for like centuries. Melissa is using Section 8 because its gets people scared this is called a scare tactic something Allyson is not doing because she wants to win her race fairly and civily unlike Melissa Brown so stop saying allyson ignores the issue when shes brought it up numerous times but she doesnt press on the issue like melissa brown does because it doesnt matter anymore considering since 2002 no new applicants have been approve. So why is your candidate babbling on with other Republican candidates about section 8 reform. It doesnt make any sense.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2004, 08:30:34 PM
Yo dude your a such a geek ok listen to what me and handzus have been trying to tell you for like centuries.

Haha..being called a geek from Demotroll. This is good..

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Melissa is using Section 8 because its gets people scared this is called a scare tactic something Allyson is not doing because she wants to win her race fairly and civily unlike Melissa Brown so stop saying allyson ignores the issue when shes brought it up numerous times but she doesnt press on the issue like melissa brown does because it doesnt matter anymore considering since 2002 no new applicants have been approve.

wow what a long sentence. Anyway, Brown is pressing the issue because the voters WANT it discussed and WANT the problem solved. Your candidate won't talk about it while it is very important to the voters here.

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So why is your candidate babbling on with other Republican candidates about section 8 reform. It doesnt make any sense.

Uh it doesn't make sense? The voters, ya know the people that decide the election, Demotroll, they want it discussed. You have even admitted in the past that Schwartz won't talk about it but earlier in your post you said she is talking about it. Which one is it, Demotroll?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 11, 2004, 03:55:04 AM
Yeah KeystonePhil, there are a lot of things you know the voter in PA-13 like myself want discussed and what postions they take Melissa Brown is either holding back on or taking a position that does not agree with mine and I knwo I'm not alone.  Say universal health care, energy indpendence, rolling back some of the tax breaks for the wealthy, etc.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2004, 11:05:34 AM
Yeah KeystonePhil, there are a lot of things you know the voter in PA-13 like myself want discussed and what postions they take Melissa Brown is either holding back on or taking a position that does not agree with mine and I knwo I'm not alone.  

Yeah I have spoken with many voters and I know what they want discussed and guess what...unlike Schwartz, Brown is discussing these issues. You keep running away from the fact that Schwartz won't bring up Section 8 reform when the voters want it discussed. Brown has made her position clear on issues like tax cuts, medical malpractice, education, etc. I don't see Brown holding back any position and if she's taking a position that you don't like, I'm not saying you are the only one. I know there will be people that disagree with Brown but the majority (and we will see this on election day) hold many of the same views Brown holds.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 14, 2004, 06:56:00 PM
I did some research today with HUD and Philadelphia Housing Authority. The issue of section 8 housing should be discussed because on the websites that I went to there was nothing about applications anything at all having to do with Section 8. Therefore it is not an extreme issue. That is why Allyson Schwartz is not emphasizing on the issue Melissa is because she has no other issues to help her win.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 14, 2004, 07:49:09 PM
I did some research today with HUD and Philadelphia Housing Authority. The issue of section 8 housing should be discussed because on the websites that I went to there was nothing about applications anything at all having to do with Section 8. Therefore it is not an extreme issue. That is why Allyson Schwartz is not emphasizing on the issue Melissa is because she has no other issues to help her win.

Excellent point Demoteen.  As I have stated earlier Joe Hoeffel and Jon Saidel have pushed on this issue very hard.  I was not on AIM when you asked btw.  What damage is done has been done.  It is going to make no difference if Allyson Schwartz or Melissa Brown is elected to Congress on the issue of Section 8.  For being such a young guy, you are doing your homework on this and I give you props.  It's unfortunate people 2,3, and 4 times your age are spitting out ridiculous rhetoric a la Fox News or Melissa Brown.  Northeast conservatives spit this garbage out of anger even though they are or once were Democrats.  

It seems as if your buddy Tim has a lot of problems with Allyson Schwartz.  Funny I was driving someone back to the Northeast from Finnegan's Wake last night.  He was very drunk, but it appears as if he blindly supports Bush because of the association with Street.  I started talking about the tax cuts and other economic issues and he just blanked out.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 15, 2004, 10:18:07 AM
Party Registration: PA-13 (2002)

R: 45%
D: 45%
I: 9%


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 15, 2004, 01:43:44 PM
that's a pretty close for a 56% Gore district. at least 10% of registered Republicans must've voted Gore.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 15, 2004, 01:44:45 PM
Party Registration: PA-13 (2002)

R: 45%
D: 45%
I: 9%

Thanks for pointing that out.  I just heard Northeast Philadelphia's Democratic registration increased 4% since 2000.  Just want to add that facta s well.  Sorry to depress you KeystonePhil.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 15, 2004, 10:31:52 PM
I'd like to agree with Handzus about that fact because I was at the library the other day looking at the different congressional districts and their census. In Pa 13 there has been a 4 percent increase in favor of the democrats in this district. The republican party is going to really work hard in order to win this seat.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 15, 2004, 10:54:05 PM
I'd like to agree with Handzus about that fact because I was at the library the other day looking at the different congressional districts and their census. In Pa 13 there has been a 4 percent increase in favor of the democrats in this district. The republican party is going to really work hard in order to win this seat.

I can't think of the site, but I know there's good resources online if you're interested.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 16, 2004, 09:12:07 PM
Hey handzus if you could email me that resource site I would greatly appreciate it. Demoteen04@yahoo.com thanks again.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 18, 2004, 06:52:50 PM
Party Registration: PA-13 (2002)

R: 45%
D: 45%
I: 9%

  Sorry to depress you KeystonePhil.    

Doesn't depress me at all, Handzus. NE Philly Dems are very likely to vote for someone like Melissa Brown over Allyson Schwartz.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 18, 2004, 08:00:34 PM
Party Registration: PA-13 (2002)

R: 45%
D: 45%
I: 9%

Thanks for pointing that out.  I just heard Northeast Philadelphia's Democratic registration increased 4% since 2000.      

1) PA 13 isn't the same district it was in 2000. Parts of the district that might have been in PA 13 then might be elsewhere now.

2) If these new Dems are now in PA 13, it doesn't mean much. They may have increased since 2000 but look at the data from '02 that Al posted: Dems 45% GOP 45%. So with your 4% increase you're still tied with us. Sorry to depress you, Handzus.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 03:02:12 AM
I got to do this one for humor based on my RNC Convention Post.  Just humor:

MeliSSa Brown Campaign Rally at Willow Grove A.F.B

4:00 p.m.  MeliSSa Brown gives opening speech on how to rob patients and their HMOs.
4:30 p.m.  Bob Asher gives speech on "Ethics in Republican Politics" and endorses MeliSSa Brown
5:00 p.m.  David Duke gives speech on white supermacy and how blacks and whites shouldn't live in the same neighborhood and endorses MeliSSa Brown
5:30 p.m.  MeliSSa Brown gives speech on David Duke's dedication to the quality of life in Northeast Philadelphia
6:00 p.m.  John Perzel gives speech on pork barreling
6:30 p.m.  Ann Coulter gives speech about how MeliSSa Brown shares her values as a great Republican woman and endorses her
7:00 p.m.  Rick Santorum gives speech on how gays are bad and abortion in wrong, but then slips and realizes MeliSSa Brown is pro-choice.  He still endorses her.
7:30-8:30 p.m.  Intermission.  MeliSSa Brown, David Duke, Rick Santorum, and Ann Coulter all discuss plans on how to eliminate gays and minorites from advancement.  They also discuss how they can use the miliatary to "Christianize" the world.  Local Republican moron Joe Nicoletti is just dying to shake all their hands and says to them it is ok for all these spoiled youth in the Philadelphia area to go off and die for imperialistic causes.  He gets his picture taken with them.  John Perzel is stuffing his face and Bob Asher is on his cell phone with one of his many lawyers.  Asher asks one of his buddies if convinced that he gets the best prison cell.
8:30 p.m MeliSSa Brown comes back to the podium and discusses why lower taxes for the wealthy are a good thing while the middle class should pay more.  She gives some BS like "Oh, the rich will HIRE more people. What do I know, i'm just a girl".  
9:00 p.m.  George Bush files in on Air Force One and credits MeliSSa Brown for her intelligence.  He says his party would be nothing without people like her to know how to "divide and conquer" or so his daddy told him.
9:30 p.m  Salute to the Nazi flag.  HEIL BUSH! HEIL SANTORUM! HEIL BROWN! HEIL COULTER! HEIL ASHER!  Joe Nicoletti is having such a rush of excitement he pisses himself.

Note to those outside me and Keystone Phil's neighborhood:  Joe Nicoletti is a frequent neo-conservative letter writer to our local paper.  If you would like to check the source of some of his ramblings:  www.northeasttimes.com


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 08:22:25 AM
Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 12:39:57 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...

The REAL sad thing here is you and a lot of people in Northeast Philadelphia can't see through her BS campaign.  Ok, I might have went a smidge too far with the SS thing, but her campaign is strikingly similar to what wealthy Southern whites did as a "divide and conquer" scheme to get poor whites to blame it on the balcks.  A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.  It may not be nearly as extreme as cross burning, but the concept it there.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 12:49:56 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...
A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.    

  Oh give me a break, Handzus. We used to be able to debate the issues and stuff but now you have just gotten ridiculous. Let me tell you something, this "trying to strike racial fear" stuff you're throwing around is starting to annoy me because I know it's not true. This isn't about race. The people effected by section 8 have said it's not about race, Melissa Brown has said it's not about race...so give it up.

  And you want to talk about wealth? Schwartz is wealthy too and she didn't even live in this district. So it's ok for that wealthy state senator to move into a district and not address the issues that people care about but its terrible if a wealthy doctor, who has lived here much longer, talks about what is important to the voters? Give me a break, Handzus. That "trying to strike racial fear" line is ridiculous and the people are going to see it.

  And no you didn't go a "smidge" far with the SS and Nazi salute, you went very far. Your dislike for Brown is so ridiculous, Handzus. THAT, my friend, is sickening.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 01:07:51 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...
A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.    

  Oh give me a break, Handzus. We used to be able to debate the issues and stuff but now you have just gotten ridiculous. Let me tell you something, this "trying to strike racial fear" stuff you're throwing around is starting to annoy me because I know it's not true. This isn't about race. The people effected by section 8 have said it's not about race, Melissa Brown has said it's not about race...so give it up.

  And you want to talk about wealth? Schwartz is wealthy too and she didn't even live in this district. So it's ok for that wealthy state senator to move into a district and not address the issues that people care about but its terrible if a wealthy doctor, who has lived here much longer, talks about what is important to the voters? Give me a break, Handzus. That "trying to strike racial fear" line is ridiculous and the people are going to see it.

  And no you didn't go a "smidge" far with the SS and Nazi salute, you went very far. Your dislike for Brown is so ridiculous, Handzus. THAT, my friend, is sickening.

Are you kidding me?  Is your head that far up your @ss when it comes to the Republican party?  The fact that Melissa Brown tried to compare Joe Hoeffel to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson was not only false, but it just made it obvious hwo she was going to go about it.  Melissa Brown is a wealthy racist debutante reptile.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 01:15:05 PM
Hmmmmmm I'm sure you worked on that one all night Handzus. Like usual, Handzus can't argue in a mature way so he needs result to this.

The sad part, Handzus, is that you say they salute the Nazi flag and you say MeliSSa. You're dislike for her has gotten so crazy, you've gone into a troll-like phase. I think you're finally realizing Brown will win so you result to this. What a shame...
A wealthy doctor running for Congress trying to strike racial fear in the good working class people of Northeast Phialdelphia is sickening.    

  Oh give me a break, Handzus. We used to be able to debate the issues and stuff but now you have just gotten ridiculous. Let me tell you something, this "trying to strike racial fear" stuff you're throwing around is starting to annoy me because I know it's not true. This isn't about race. The people effected by section 8 have said it's not about race, Melissa Brown has said it's not about race...so give it up.

  And you want to talk about wealth? Schwartz is wealthy too and she didn't even live in this district. So it's ok for that wealthy state senator to move into a district and not address the issues that people care about but its terrible if a wealthy doctor, who has lived here much longer, talks about what is important to the voters? Give me a break, Handzus. That "trying to strike racial fear" line is ridiculous and the people are going to see it.

  And no you didn't go a "smidge" far with the SS and Nazi salute, you went very far. Your dislike for Brown is so ridiculous, Handzus. THAT, my friend, is sickening.

Are you kidding me?  Is your head that far up your @ss when it comes to the Republican party?  The fact that Melissa Brown tried to compare Joe Hoeffel to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson was not only false, but it just made it obvious hwo she was going to go about it.          

Brown's campaign was NOT responsible for that. And if you are going to call Brown a racist, you are acting very foolish. Did she make any racist statements, Handzus? Nope. So continue with your statements. Go ahead. But you have no facts to back up what you say. And I'm not going to take these low personal attacks on this thread. Calling someone a Nazi and a racist reptile is low, Handzus.  If you can't act just a little more mature, I'm not willing to discuss this.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 01:21:20 PM
Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 01:23:52 PM
Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  

Actually she was saying that Street and Hoeffel aren't doing enough to reform the system. the mortatorium is a good step but there is much more that needs to be done.

Now I'm still waiting for your facts that show Brown to be a racist and her connection to that Sharpton-Hoeffel literature from 2002. You made the accusation now back it up.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 01:29:41 PM
Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  

Actually she was saying that Street and Hoeffel aren't doing enough to reform the system. the mortatorium is a good step but there is much more that needs to be done.

Now I'm still waiting for your facts that show Brown to be a racist and her connection to that Sharpton-Hoeffel literature from 2002. You made the accusation now back it up.

Tell me what more could be done other than eliminating the sytem altogether?  I have an idea though.  Instead of dumping most of the tenants in Northeast Philadelphia, why don't some of them go to the suburbs?  As for the Sharpton-Hoeffel lit, it was 2002. Finding a source would be tough.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 01:32:24 PM
Well she did make it seem Joe Hoeffel and John Street were going to let Section 8 run rampant in Northeast Philadelphia.  Wow, was she wrong again.  It was not Joe Hoeffel, in fact he helped get the mortatorium passed.  Get your facts straight before you buy into this Archie Bunker propaganda!  

Actually she was saying that Street and Hoeffel aren't doing enough to reform the system. the mortatorium is a good step but there is much more that needs to be done.

Now I'm still waiting for your facts that show Brown to be a racist and her connection to that Sharpton-Hoeffel literature from 2002. You made the accusation now back it up.

  As for the Sharpton-Hoeffel lit, it was 2002. Finding a source would be tough.  

Then do me a favor, Handzus...stop saying she was responsible for it. And I'm still waiting for some proof that she's a racist. I know that she's not and I know that the Section 8 issue isn't one that focuses in on race. The people and the candidate have stated that they don't care about the race, they care about their neighborhoods. But you continue with this ridiculous thought that she's a racist reptile so show me some proof.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 19, 2004, 02:23:58 PM
Let's take Section 8 off the table for a second.  At no point in all of these posts have you proven to me why I should vote for Melissa Brown.  If anything I have more reason to vote against her.  WHat are you trying to prove here?  You are not wealthy as am I.  Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  When it comes to tax cuts, health care, and excessive military spending thre is not an ounce of daylight.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 04:43:07 PM
Let's take Section 8 off the table for a second.  At no point in all of these posts have you proven to me why I should vote for Melissa Brown.  If anything I have more reason to vote against her.  WHat are you trying to prove here?  You are not wealthy as am I.  Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  When it comes to tax cuts, health care, and excessive military spending thre is not an ounce of daylight.

Ahhhhh the old "Let's change the subject" move. It's not going to work, Handzus. You made an accusation now back it up! What proof do you have that Brown is a racist. When you admit you have NO PROOF at all, then I will address your other concerns.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2004, 04:44:47 PM
Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  

Oh for the record, I am part of a middle class family. We live in a rowhome. We strongly support this adminstration and Brown. We are glad we get tax cuts instead of the same old tax-and-spend agenda the Democrats put forward far too often.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 20, 2004, 12:55:31 AM
Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  

Oh for the record, I am part of a middle class family. We live in a rowhome. We strongly support this adminstration and Brown. We are glad we get tax cuts instead of the same old tax-and-spend agenda the Democrats put forward far too often.

Well you and your family are missing the big picture and are severely warped.  Tax-and-spend, HA.  It more like a tax-shift on to you and your family.  Oh and for spending, it seems as these neo-cons are worse than Clinton.  If you and your family can see this you and them must be deaf, dumb, and blind.  Maybe if Melissa Brown wins I'll move to Massachusetts.  I may actually have the pleasure of being around more intelligent people with their heads out of their @sses.  Fortunately, I have enough faith that a bare majority of residents here will pull the lever for Kerry and Schwartz, maybe not Hoeffel, but that's ok.  Specter may actually do right on the Judiciary committee and prove me wrong.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 20, 2004, 09:19:04 AM
Why do you defend the rights of them while my parents and I'm sure yours are getting dicked over by this Administration that Melissa Brown so adamantly supports.  

Oh for the record, I am part of a middle class family. We live in a rowhome. We strongly support this adminstration and Brown. We are glad we get tax cuts instead of the same old tax-and-spend agenda the Democrats put forward far too often.

Well you and your family are missing the big picture and are severely warped.  Tax-and-spend, HA.  It more like a tax-shift on to you and your family.  Oh and for spending, it seems as these neo-cons are worse than Clinton.  If you and your family can see this you and them must be deaf, dumb, and blind.

Grow up just a bit Handzus and don't say that my family is deaf dumb and blind. I think they are just alittle bit wiser than you, pal. This just in: You don't know everything and guess what....all of NE Philly doesn't agree with you! You have yet to understand that. And if you want to turn this personal, since you have no good arguments to back up what you say, I find no use in talking about this race.

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Maybe if Melissa Brown wins I'll move to Massachusetts.  

Wouldn't bother me a bit.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 20, 2004, 11:31:05 AM
Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 20, 2004, 02:27:45 PM
Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.

First of all it gave us more than a night out at dinner. Second, we don't go to Wildwood :P I think that you have to realize that some of us middle class Americans did benefit from these tax cuts. Some of us Americans like to get money back from the government. And you have to realize some other things too... 1) Not everyone in NE Philly is the way you think they are. Not all Republicans are Archie Bunker Republicans and the majority of this district isn't full of Joe Hoeffel Dems. Secondly, you have to realize people disagree with you. You said my family must be "warped" and "blind, deaf and dumb." Don't personally attack me or my family, Handzus. I don't care how much you disagree with what me and my family believe, those comments were outrageous.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 20, 2004, 11:27:24 PM
Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.

First of all it gave us more than a night out at dinner. Second, we don't go to Wildwood :P I think that you have to realize that some of us middle class Americans did benefit from these tax cuts. Some of us Americans like to get money back from the government. And you have to realize some other things too... 1) Not everyone in NE Philly is the way you think they are. Not all Republicans are Archie Bunker Republicans and the majority of this district isn't full of Joe Hoeffel Dems. Secondly, you have to realize people disagree with you. You said my family must be "warped" and "blind, deaf and dumb." Don't personally attack me or my family, Handzus. I don't care how much you disagree with what me and my family believe, those comments were outrageous.

Of course most people got a tax break.  Difference is who and how much.  Some people got NONE.  Most of those were in the lower-middle brackets.  The sad thing is expenditures had to be cut, but unfortunately the important ones such as education and health care did meanwhile the military went up astronomically.  This is coupled with a $7 trillion deficit.  Like I said who's gonna pay for it?  Money certainly doesn't grow on trees.  And I am not attacking your family Keystone.  I am attacking their thoughts if what you are telling me is true.  I do not know them if I've seen them on the street.  I feel you and them are being very short sighted.  You said you and your family is backing Bush and Brown fully.  I was bringing your family up in a theoretical manner since they come from a middle class rowhome.  It's not personal man.  I do realize not all of PA-13 are Joe Hoeffel Dems or Archie Bunker Republicans.  The point I'm trying to make though is there ARE a lot of one or two issue RINOs in the Northeast though those being abortion and having this notion that the Republicans are somehow going to save Philadelphia.  On the latter, check out the Far Northeast Young Republicans website.  It says it there point blank.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 20, 2004, 11:36:14 PM
Ok, the Bush tax cuts gave me what a night out to dinner.  Ok, they gave your parents probably what half a vacaton to Wildwood.  Yet they gave people that make a lot more than us brand new cars.  Come on.  You will be paying A LOT more for college than I am.  The job market stinks.  You are being very short sighted here.  I should also mention there's what a $7 trilion deficit.  WHo's going to pay for that?  Yeah, inflation has gone up drastically.  Who's getting the interest on this $7 trillion?  NOT US!  If you or your parents knew anything about economic policy, you would not vote Bush or Brown, plain and simple.

First of all it gave us more than a night out at dinner. Second, we don't go to Wildwood :P I think that you have to realize that some of us middle class Americans did benefit from these tax cuts. Some of us Americans like to get money back from the government. And you have to realize some other things too... 1) Not everyone in NE Philly is the way you think they are. Not all Republicans are Archie Bunker Republicans and the majority of this district isn't full of Joe Hoeffel Dems. Secondly, you have to realize people disagree with you. You said my family must be "warped" and "blind, deaf and dumb." Don't personally attack me or my family, Handzus. I don't care how much you disagree with what me and my family believe, those comments were outrageous.

 
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And I am not attacking your family Keystone.  I am attacking their thoughts if what you are telling me is true.  I do not know them if I've seen them on the street.  I feel you and them are being very short sighted.  You said you and your family is backing Bush and Brown fully.  I was bringing your family up in a theoretical manner since they come from a middle class rowhome.  It's not personal man.

You weren't attacking them? You weren't making it personal when you said we are "warped" and we are "deaf, dumb and blind" because we disagree with you. Give me a break. If you don't like that there is a middle class family in Northeast Philadelphia who supports Bush and the tax cuts and Melissa Brown, that's just too bad. You might not see as many Bush supporters but you're going to see more and more Brown yard signs pop up and more people supporting the tax cuts because it does help them (and no it's not just a night out at dinner or a vacation though I'd take that anyday over a tax hike.)

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Republicans are somehow going to save Philadelphia.  On the latter, check out the Far Northeast Young Republicans website.  It says it there point blank.  

The Republicans would save this city if people actually voted them in. Look what they did in 2003. The people of this city rejected someone who would have really turned this city around because they believed John Street and his attempts to connect Katz and the City Hall bugging. What an embarressment that he was re-elected by 16 points.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 20, 2004, 11:57:42 PM
Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 12:00:04 AM
Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  

Handzus, I am saying that you will start seeing more and more of them when October and November role around. And I know for a fact that not every house that has a sign is the house of a committeeperson. (And I'm not saying that they will put them up because of tax cuts but they'll be supporting someone who supports the tax cuts.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 03:32:02 AM
Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  



Handzus, I am saying that you will start seeing more and more of them when October and November role around. And I know for a fact that not every house that has a sign is the house of a committeeperson. (And I'm not saying that they will put them up because of tax cuts but they'll be supporting someone who supports the tax cuts.)

Heh, then why will most be supporting Kerry?  We're not going to see as many Melissa Brown signs as Sam Katz... nowhere NEAR that number.  You will be seeing equally as many Schwartz signs as well.  There are even a good number of Republicans that are fishy about the tax cuts as well.  Her pinnacle issue is Section 8 and you know it.  This is a battleground district.  There are many people disenchanted with Bush and Brown will struggle with him.  If I recall, there were a lot of Torsella lawn signs as well.  I also noticed a lot of Schwartz signs in the heavily Jewish neighborhoods.  Taubenberger had Fox Chase pretty strong as well, but naturally they'd go Brown.  There were a lot of Schwartz signs in the suburbs as well as Bard.  

Funny I noticed more Toomey signs than Specter in the Northeast, but where it counted, Specter slaughtered him at least here.  My point, lawn signs are for the desperate.  These people know their neighbors will be questioning Brown along with Bush.  I'm sure many cops will go Brown as they probably did in 2002.  My other point, there was no widespread disenchantment with the Bush Administration in 2002 as there is now and Northeast Philadelphia is no exception.  Bush is getting his @ss handed to him and it will have an effect on Brown no doubt.  Rising health care costs and the fear of job losses will far outweigh the relative pettiness of Section 8.  One advantage for Brown is she had a previous run in 2002, but I do not see her expanding on Hoeffel voters.  This may also serve as a disadvantage because the Dems know her playbook and they have the finances to destroy it unlike other parts of the country where the Republicans have massive cash advantages.  Also note the differences between Katz's 1999 performance and Katz 2003.  Katz was poised to win in 2003 until Ashcroft entered with a probe.  Mind you it didn't affect my vote, but it did to many others and Katz suffered heavily.  He did not have convincing advantages in the Northeast and yes, a lot of Katz supporters are Democrats who will easily switch back to Kerry/Schwartz with Specter cutting in a little more so.  The logisitcs of this do not favor Brown.  Brown's ONLY avenue is Section 8 and she'll have to be stellar on that without ebing too offensive.  She's walking a tightrope and Schwartz's cash will answer her very quickly.            


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 03:33:55 AM
Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 09:00:51 AM
Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.

Right but if the FOP endorsed Schwartz it would have been "Game over! Schwartz wins!" Give me a break. And I won't be worrying about PA 8 anytime soon.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 09:04:57 AM
Melissa Brown yard signs were only from committeepeople.  The reason nayone else would have one is because of the Section 8, not the tax cuts.  I'll admit there will be SOME Kerry/Brown crossovers, but it will be because of that issue.  



Handzus, I am saying that you will start seeing more and more of them when October and November role around. And I know for a fact that not every house that has a sign is the house of a committeeperson. (And I'm not saying that they will put them up because of tax cuts but they'll be supporting someone who supports the tax cuts.)

  My point, lawn signs are for the desperate.  

That is hysterical. Read over what you just said. Lawn signs are for the desperate. Well correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Schwartz the one with thousands of signs up and down the Boulevard, Grant Avenue and other major roads? And I'm serious when I say thousands. Is she desperate? I guess so. And especially because she is not well known here. Torsella was more well known in the NE during the primary and Brown is well known now. So I guess we'll see thousands of those signs again. Another sign that signs are for the desperate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 12:26:03 PM
Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.

Right but if the FOP endorsed Schwartz it would have been "Game over! Schwartz wins!" Give me a break. And I won't be worrying about PA 8 anytime soon.

There's no reason to think "Game Over! Brown wins!" either.  Brown has more hurdles to clear with regards to Bush than Schwartz does with Kerry.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 12:28:41 PM
Oh and btw, start worrying about PA-8.  DSCC will be funneling Schrader $$$ and Fitzpatrick was not the best candidate for the GOP.  PA-13 is a loss for the GOP.  The FOP will not carry her over the finish line.

Right but if the FOP endorsed Schwartz it would have been "Game over! Schwartz wins!" Give me a break. And I won't be worrying about PA 8 anytime soon.

There's no reason to think "Game Over! Brown wins!" either.  Brown has more hurdles to clear with regards to Bush than Schwartz does with Kerry.

If Schwartz brings up Bush, maybe Brown will bring up Street. Who knows? If that happens, I say Schwartz will has more hurdles.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 12:40:31 PM
Bush is a bigger hurdle considering this is a FEDERAL election!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 12:55:26 PM
Bush is a bigger hurdle considering this is a FEDERAL election!  

The people of this district split their ticket often. If Schwartz's message is to tie Brown to Bush believe me it won't work. Brown focuses on the issues that matter. That is why she receieved 47% (very good showing for someone that is challenging an incumbent like Hoeffel) last time and that is why she'll win this time.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 04:10:43 PM
I do not think Schwartz will bring Bush into the equation much.  Will she bring up the issues that matter? Absolutely.  Does this tie into Bush? YES.  Brown ties in with the Bush ageneda 100X as much as Schwartz and John Street.  You can not make that argument with John Street.  It's null and void.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 08:03:33 PM
I do not think Schwartz will bring Bush into the equation much.  Will she bring up the issues that matter? Absolutely.  Does this tie into Bush? YES.  Brown ties in with the Bush ageneda 100X as much as Schwartz and John Street.  You can not make that argument with John Street.  It's null and void.

If Schwartz tries to tie Brown to the Bush agenda, Brown can easily tie Schwartz to Street's agenda and especially Section 8. What is more unpopular here: Section 8 or the tax cuts? And remember Brown isn't just talking about Section 8. As Schwartz continues to tie Brown to Bush on tax cuts, Brown will be discussing all kinds of issues (I know you refuse to accept that Brown is discussing other issues but its the truth) and the voters want someone who offers solutions to problems rather than someone who wants to play the connect Melissa Brown to so and so game.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 11:17:06 PM
Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 11:21:41 PM
Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

Sorry that Brown didn't write you a book on her positions, Handzus. She gets to the point. She says what she wants to do in the House and has been talking to the voters about issues they care about unlike Schwartz who hasn't really addressed one of the main issues ( Section 8 ). Face it, Handzus. Whether you want it to be or not, Section 8 is a major issue here. There's no way around it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 21, 2004, 11:45:59 PM
Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

Sorry that Brown didn't write you a book on her positions, Handzus. She gets to the point. She says what she wants to do in the House and has been talking to the voters about issues they care about unlike Schwartz who hasn't really addressed one of the main issues ( Section 8 ). Face it, Handzus. Whether you want it to be or not, Section 8 is a major issue here. There's no way around it.

Well maybe I want someone with a little more complex thought.  it's blantently obvious she's baiting uneducated whtie voters into her.  Montgomery County is going to be somewhat brutal to her.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 11:48:43 PM
Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

Sorry that Brown didn't write you a book on her positions, Handzus. She gets to the point. She says what she wants to do in the House and has been talking to the voters about issues they care about unlike Schwartz who hasn't really addressed one of the main issues ( Section 8 ). Face it, Handzus. Whether you want it to be or not, Section 8 is a major issue here. There's no way around it.

 it's blantently obvious she's baiting uneducated whtie voters into her.  

Give it up, Handzus. Really...this arguement that you throw out every single time Section 8 is brought up is getting very old.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 21, 2004, 11:53:23 PM
Allyson Schwartz is doing more than that trust me.  She founded CHIP in PA and has many solutions for issues such as a Patient's Bill of Rights and Lessening Dependency on foreign oil.  She actually has a small library of postion papers on all kinds of issues.  What does Brown have?  A few paragraphs on the major issues, but has time for Section 8 doesn't she.  

Sorry that Brown didn't write you a book on her positions, Handzus. She gets to the point. She says what she wants to do in the House and has been talking to the voters about issues they care about unlike Schwartz who hasn't really addressed one of the main issues ( Section 8 ). Face it, Handzus. Whether you want it to be or not, Section 8 is a major issue here. There's no way around it.

Well maybe I want someone with a little more complex thought.  

She doesn't have complex thought, Handzus? I want you to go here http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/aboutmelissa.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/aboutmelissa.htm) read up on all she has achieved and then tell me she doesn't have enough complex thought for you.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 22, 2004, 03:31:00 AM
I'm not denying her achievements educationally, but she must think I'm stupid enough to vote for her and that's not going to happen.  She is an insult to mine and the rest of the Northeast's intelligence.  Unfortunately many will fall into her trap and screw them over by not giving a damn.  She cares about one thing only, denying patient's rights to sue and tax cuts for the rich, not the Northeast.  She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2004, 08:55:02 AM
She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.

You need to stop and look at what you are saying. Your comments are have gotten so ridiculous. You'd never think that you actually considered voting for her.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 23, 2004, 02:03:25 PM
She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.

You need to stop and look at what you are saying. Your comments are have gotten so ridiculous. You'd never think that you actually considered voting for her.

Boo hiss!  Are you angry at the fact I'm not a neo-conservative like you that doesn't see everything the great white Catholic Northeast Philadelphia way I'm supposed to.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 02:33:25 PM
She is a debutante snake and deserves my size 10 1/2 shoe up her @ss.

You need to stop and look at what you are saying. Your comments are have gotten so ridiculous. You'd never think that you actually considered voting for her.

Boo hiss!  Are you angry at the fact I'm not a neo-conservative like you that doesn't see everything the great white Catholic Northeast Philadelphia way I'm supposed to.  

Handzus, I could honestly care less what you believe in. And I don't believe there is a  "great white Catholic Northeast Philadelphia" way of thinking. You really need to get that thought out of your head. You're also a very angry person, Handzus. You get very personal with your attacks on elected officials and candidates for office. You should really calm down.

By the way, Inside Politics on CNN is in Philadelphia today. Tune in. They might bring up PA 13.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 03:29:30 PM
I think Melissa ran a very good campaign last time in the Northeast.   Combinded with a strong year nationally for Reps. (I know Rendell won but he had no coatails) she almost beat Hoeffel who was sort of an incumbent (although 2/3s of the people in the NE probably wanted to vote for Borksi).

You have to admit that section 8 turned the election into a local election where many voters in the NE who traditionally go Democratic at least in national elections decided to pull the lever for Brown even when voting for Rendell.   As far as I know going into the last weekend the Rendell campaign was worried Hoeffel was pulling them down in the NE.

And Brown almost pulled it off.  Michael Smerconsih might have decided the race coming out against Brown at the very end denouncing her for race baiting.

However, rematches are a tall order.  And Melissa has tremendous odds in front of her.

Before anything else Hoeffel was slow to respond to the sec. 8 issue.   I doubt Allyson will be so slow to whatever attacks are thrown her way.

Also, I doubt this will be a complete replay of the Street-Katz race anyway.   Unless Melissa can make into a local election it will be about national issues more than local ones.

At the same time I do think Specter will fair well in the NE.  I don't have enough of a handle on the race to know if he will actually beat Hoeffel in all of those wards but he will certainly carry a lot of divisions.   But you can not for one moment compare Brown to Specter.  Specter has been around in Philly politics a long time he was DA and his wife was on city council.  People have long memories for guys like Arlen.

Just some general thoughts

First off in the NE Bush will be lucky to win 25 divisions.  He only won 31 divisions city wide last time, although most were in the NE (I am not sure but a couple were probably in the 8th CD).  So, from the outset the top of the ticket will be weighing her down.   This is the case even in wards, like the 45th, where there is residual anger by the committeepeople at the fact Allyson won the primary.  (although one must admit committeepeople might have a lot of sway when in a primary for common pleas court but not so much in a presidential election year)

Second parts of the NE are actually going to be behind Allyson.  Places like the 58th and the 56th will be supportive.   As far as I remember the Stacks were behind Allyson in the primary and I would be shocked if local 98 isn't at least a bit busy on election day in the 56th.

Third the inner Montco part of the district is far from a sure thing for Melissa either.   Abington/Jenkintown is probably out of her reach at the outset.   She will be able to cut her losses in Springfield, b/c its her hometown but Kerry is going smoke Bush there same thing in Whitemarsh (Gore won Springfield by 16 points and Whitemarsh by 13 points).  The part of UD in the 13th and the Morelands will go for Kerry but Brown should hold even in those areas with Schwartz and run ahead of Bush.

Fourth the outer part of the Montco district may be hard for her as well but for different reasons.   They like'em real conservative in Lower Salford and they don't like Specter. (one of the reasons Hoeffel upset Fox in thier 98 rematch is because that part of Montgomery county did not turn out when pro-choice Specter/Ridge lead the Rep ticket).   Brown needs the Presidential race to stay tight in PA so the Bush campaign is out there in exurbs turning out voters.  And if those Republicans come out they come out they are defintely not voting for Allyson.


In the end I don't want to rain on anyone's parade but unless the dynamics of the national race change I don't think Brown can pull this off.   I don't think she can survive more than a 10 point Kerry win in the district.   (just to let you know Gore won all of Montco by 9 and half points last time and the old 13th probably by over 10, Greenleaf got smoked by Hoeffel that year)

I would like to see if anyone has a different interpretation of the numbers and the politics at play.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 03:35:52 PM
Hey jdscott, welcome to the forum. We may disagree on how this election turns out but it seems like you are willing to have a fair and civilized debate (which, if you look through the thread, you can tell hasn't always been the case here.) Oh and be ready for some big time debates between myself and Handzus26. The arguements are pretty strong since we respresent different beliefs and different candidates in this PA 13 race.

Oh and by the way, I have to disagree with you strongly in one thing you said. I don't care what Smerconish says, Melissa Brown was not and still is not making this into an issue of race.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 03:53:50 PM
I sort of agree with you.  I honestly don't think Melissa wanted the issue to be about race.  I don't think people in Montco even know what section 8 is (unless you live in the handful of boroughs that have any substantail sec. 8 housing in the county) let alone understand the racial overtones of the issue.

However, I think some of those around her (not necessarily even part of her campaign, I'll call them "advisers") knew how some people (but not all) in the NE would take the Street/Hoeffel mail piece.

One must be honest about the fact that race is an issue in the NE.  And certainly it is not just Rs that have used election tactics with racial overtones (the 01 Democratic DA primary comes to mind).

And certainly the person or persons distributing the Al Sharpton flyer in the (I seem to recall) the 35th ward knew the implications of that piece.   Although I do not believe Brown's campaign was involved in that.

In the end Melissa has, I think a more, compelling issue in Med Mal anyway.  Especailly because it is something that affects the entire district not just the NE.  (which is by the way another reason she might have lost- it seems that she ignored places like Abington and the Morelands in favor of putting all her eggs in the NE and hoping the county GOP would pull her through in Montco)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 04:04:09 PM
Montco is going to be close, especially because Schwartz is a State Senator out there. Brown is going to win the NE not just because of Section reform but because of the med. mal. issue (the issue is a concern of seniors).

I know your a Dem, but who will you be supporting?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 04:52:36 PM
Yeah I would vote for Allyson.  I don't live in the district so its kinda of a moot question.

But I am much more interested in how you think Brown can win in the NE.

I agree that Allyson will run behind of Kerry east of the Blvd.  thats a given because Meeghan will not be pushing her at all however Marge will be.

The presidentail surge factor in the NE, although I do not have those numbers, is probably significant.  Those people are coming out for the Presidential and are more likely to vote party line when faced with unfamiliar candidates.

Just a quick run down of the 2000 numbers show how far Brown will have to come:

41st ward- Gore wins by 33 points
55th ward - Gore wins by 18 points
62nd ward- Gore wins by 40 points
64th ward- Gore wins by 12 points
65th ward- Gore wins by 37 points

The Santorum/Klink match up is also interesting.  Klink was DOA by election day and had no presence in SE PA but in those wards the numbers were:

41st- Klink wins by 1300 votes
55th- San. wins by 750 votes
62nd - Klink wins by 2000 votes
64th- San. wins by 600 votes
65th- Klink wins by 1700 votes

Klink won that part of the city by 3650 votes

And Street actually got around 35% in the 62nd.  Katz won the ward by only 24 points.  Which is small compared to his margins in other NE wards.

Based on those numbers I just do not think Brown can withstand the numbers Kerry will put up.   Even given the fact that Allyson will run behind Kerry and Brown will run ahead of Bush.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 04:59:47 PM
I think this whole Presidential influence on the race is getting out of hand. Sure Kerry will help Schwartz here but not as much as many think. Brown did great in 2002. She received 47% that year in an area of the state that Rendell did great in. Brown will win this race.

(What district do you live in? You seem to know this district very well. I guess PA 8?)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 05:29:06 PM
No I was living in center city (2nd CD) while in law school.  I am now transitioning to NYC to start work.  (I have time to post to this site because I am in limbo between the bar and work starting).

My parents house was in the old 13th CD and is now in Gerlach's district (which I think is now the 6th).  The redistricting got me all confused.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 05:31:59 PM
No I was living in center city (2nd CD) while in law school.  I am now transitioning to NYC to start work.  (I have time to post to this site because I am in limbo between the bar and work starting).

My parents house was in the old 13th CD and is now in Gerlach's district (which I think is now the 6th).  The redistricting got me all confused.

CD 2. That's a district I would never want to live in (Fattah's district). Oh and yes, Gerlach's district is now the PA 6.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 05:36:26 PM
Yeah well that district has a wide swath of places.  I was living in Rittenhouse Square.  The 2nd CD includes North Philly, most of West Philly and Germantown but also Wynnefield, Roxborough, Chestnut Hill, Mt. Airy, Oak Lane, Cheltenham, Olney, and Feltonville.

So, its not as monolithic as you might think.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 05:38:56 PM
Also except for a blanket statement about how you don't think the Pres. race will effect the voting you haven't given me anything concrete.

I would have at least thrown the difference between Rendell and Hoeffel's numbers at me.   Or Perzel, Kenney, O'Brien etc. numbers compared to Gore's or Rendell's.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 05:40:31 PM
I would have at least thrown the difference between Rendell and Hoeffel's numbers at me.  

I did state that. I said that Rendell won this area easily and Brown managed to get 47%. That's impressive.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 05:47:45 PM
I meant a litte more precisely.   Like I said before I am really interested in what other people think about the mirco politics of this race.

And in general I agree Rendell had no coattails but I think it would be hard to say that 2002 was not an unusual year.  The president and the republican party recieved an high level of support in the aftermath of 9/11.    I don't think the same logic can possiblly be applied in this cycle unless something catetrosphic occurs in the coming weeks.



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 23, 2004, 05:59:54 PM
Bear in mind that the NE Philly part of PA-13 was a de facto Open Seat in 2002


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 06:03:30 PM
I meant a litte more precisely.   Like I said before I am really interested in what other people think about the mirco politics of this race.

And in general I agree Rendell had no coattails but I think it would be hard to say that 2002 was not an unusual year.  The president and the republican party recieved an high level of support in the aftermath of 9/11.    I don't think the same logic can possiblly be applied in this cycle unless something catetrosphic occurs in the coming weeks.



I don't know how specific you want me to get. I believe that if Brown was able to get 47% in a district that Rendell won by a big margin, than that's pretty impressive. Also, this year is different. Sure the President isn't very popular here but neither is Street. If Schwartz brings up Bush, Brown could bring up Street. Another thing is Schwartz can not portray herself to be a moderate like Hoeffel did. Schwartz is cleary very liberal and seems to be shying away from the issues that are most important to voters here (Section 8 reform, med. mal.).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 06:05:27 PM
Bear in mind that the NE Philly part of PA-13 was a de facto Open Seat in 2002

Hoeffel had much big name ID though. It's different this time. You go around this district and ask people if they know Melissa Brown and a good amount have heard of her. Ask if they have heard about Allyson Schwartz and not as many people will know of her.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 23, 2004, 07:49:32 PM
I was recently canvassing in parts of PA 13 and people in that district were aware of how close of a race it will be in November and they just kept praising Allyson Schwartz there were a few Brown supporters but on a ratio I think out of every ten people 9 were schwartz supporters and knew about her. Some people didn't even know the republican candidate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 07:51:54 PM
I was recently canvassing in parts of PA 13 and people in that district were aware of how close of a race it will be in November and they just kept praising Allyson Schwartz there were a few Brown supporters but on a ratio I think out of every ten people 9 were schwartz supporters and knew about her. Some people didn't even know the republican candidate.

That is totally untrue. I don't even think Handzus would believe some of the stuff you just posted. 90% of the people you talked to were Schwartz supporters? Unless you were in Schwartz's state senate district, I don't believe what you said for a second.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 23, 2004, 08:06:43 PM
My statistics may have been off I mean out of about 30 people I talked to in the 58th Ward 20 of them knew Allyson Schwartz and didn't know the name of the republican challenger and may I add this was around August 14th considering I left for vacation the 16th and that is where I am currently at. I do not have time to go back and forth with you tonight sorry phil.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 23, 2004, 08:12:07 PM
I do not have time to go back and forth with you tonight sorry phil.

Well we have the whole rest of the campaign to argue back and forth. After Labor Day, the campaign fun begins!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: jdscott on August 23, 2004, 09:04:14 PM
Actually in 2002 I bet if you look at old polls for the NE neither Brown or Hoeffel had good name ID.

Most voters thought Borski was their congressman.

I do agree Hoeffel had the name ID advantage in Montco.

I think the flaw in your argument is that Brown will be going to Washington and therefore I logical link can be drawn to Bush (or Lott etc).   (I am not saying Brown is the same I am just saying the argument can be made to voters)

On the other hand Street is a local pol not a national figure.   It will be harder to try and link Allyson with Street because she is running for Congress not City Council.   Now if the Brown campaign wants to link her to Rendell and the Harrisburg dems (e.g. on the Med Mal issue) that is sensible.  Or to Kerry and "crazy" Mass. liberals on issues like gay marriage or abortion.

As I said before Brown was able to localize the 2002 race by making it about section 8.   If she hits Allyson on Med Mal even the most ardent hater will not see this as a Philadelphia/John Street issue (but of course ardent haters are probably not voting for Allyson to begin with).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 24, 2004, 01:08:30 AM
Actually in 2002 I bet if you look at old polls for the NE neither Brown or Hoeffel had good name ID.

Most voters thought Borski was their congressman.

I do agree Hoeffel had the name ID advantage in Montco.

I think the flaw in your argument is that Brown will be going to Washington and therefore I logical link can be drawn to Bush (or Lott etc).   (I am not saying Brown is the same I am just saying the argument can be made to voters)

On the other hand Street is a local pol not a national figure.   It will be harder to try and link Allyson with Street because she is running for Congress not City Council.   Now if the Brown campaign wants to link her to Rendell and the Harrisburg dems (e.g. on the Med Mal issue) that is sensible.  Or to Kerry and "crazy" Mass. liberals on issues like gay marriage or abortion.

As I said before Brown was able to localize the 2002 race by making it about section 8.   If she hits Allyson on Med Mal even the most ardent hater will not see this as a Philadelphia/John Street issue (but of course ardent haters are probably not voting for Allyson to begin with).

Hey JD.  Welcome to the forum.  I'm glad some people in here have some sense.  I've been trying to tell this kid all along that Street and Section 8 are local issues, not national ones.  I voted Katz for mayor and I plan on the ticket in my signature come Fall.  Funny you mentioned Borski.  There are some people here that still think he's our Congressman.  Unfortunately I must say there are people who are ignorant enough to tie Street with the national Democratic party for he is FAR off the issue.  I think Allyson Schwartz will prevail, but Joe Torsella should have won the primary and would have got conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans better than Schwartz.  Section 8 is still an issue, but as I have been saying to our young friend, the PHA has mroe authority on how its run.  I also regret this, and yes KP you will laugh, I have the arduous task of having to convince even my own relatives of Brown's false nasty tactics.        


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 24, 2004, 03:10:19 PM
Actually in 2002 I bet if you look at old polls for the NE neither Brown or Hoeffel had good name ID.

Most voters thought Borski was their congressman.

I do agree Hoeffel had the name ID advantage in Montco.

I think the flaw in your argument is that Brown will be going to Washington and therefore I logical link can be drawn to Bush (or Lott etc).   (I am not saying Brown is the same I am just saying the argument can be made to voters)

On the other hand Street is a local pol not a national figure.   It will be harder to try and link Allyson with Street because she is running for Congress not City Council.   Now if the Brown campaign wants to link her to Rendell and the Harrisburg dems (e.g. on the Med Mal issue) that is sensible.  Or to Kerry and "crazy" Mass. liberals on issues like gay marriage or abortion.

As I said before Brown was able to localize the 2002 race by making it about section 8.   If she hits Allyson on Med Mal even the most ardent hater will not see this as a Philadelphia/John Street issue (but of course ardent haters are probably not voting for Allyson to begin with).

Hey JD.  Welcome to the forum.  I'm glad some people in here have some sense.  I've been trying to tell this kid all along that Street and Section 8 are local issues, not national ones.  I voted Katz for mayor and I plan on the ticket in my signature come Fall.  Funny you mentioned Borski.  There are some people here that still think he's our Congressman.  Unfortunately I must say there are people who are ignorant enough to tie Street with the national Democratic party for he is FAR off the issue.  I think Allyson Schwartz will prevail, but Joe Torsella should have won the primary and would have got conservative Democrats and moderate Republicans better than Schwartz.  Section 8 is still an issue, but as I have been saying to our young friend, the PHA has mroe authority on how its run.  I also regret this, and yes KP you will laugh, I have the arduous task of having to convince even my own relatives of Brown's false nasty tactics.        

First off, do me a favor and don't call me kid. Your 8 years older than me and act less mature at times. Second of all, what's your point that Section 8 is a local issue? You mean to tell me Dem candidates for Congress don't focus on local issues? And tell me another thing, if Section 8 is so local, how did Hoeffel get something done about it? That's all you ever talk about when it comes to this issue. I guess Hoeffel is the only one that can handle the problem? And talk about ignorance (people tying Street to the National Dems) how come you can tie Brown to Bush but Dems can't be tied to Street?  And lastly, Brown hasn't put out any "false, nasty" tactics. All the Philly Dems say is she is negative and a racist and you know what? That's not going to work this time. The voters see right through that.

(Oh and I don't know how people can think Borski still is or ever was our Congressman. He didn't do much.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 25, 2004, 01:05:58 AM
Melissa Brown will be doing more for doctors and the Club for Growth folks than us and I know it.  She will be doing stuff in Congress, just not for the Northeast.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 25, 2004, 01:12:45 AM
Melissa Brown will be doing more for doctors and the Club for Growth folks than us and I know it.  She will be doing stuff in Congress, just not for the Northeast.


Oh give me a break. Fighting to keep our doctors here as opposed to fleeing the state isn't fighting for us? Fighting to reform a broken Section 8 program isn't fighting for us? She'll do stuff in Congress and that stuff with help the Northeast. The problem is you don't want to admit it. When it comes down to the two candidates, Brown has addressed the major concerns of voters here in the NE more than Schwartz has. That's why Torsella voters will strongly consider (and some will actually vote) Melissa Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 25, 2004, 01:22:32 AM
Melissa Brown will be doing more for doctors and the Club for Growth folks than us and I know it.  She will be doing stuff in Congress, just not for the Northeast.




Oh give me a break. Fighting to keep our doctors here as opposed to fleeing the state isn't fighting for us? Fighting to reform a broken Section 8 program isn't fighting for us? She'll do stuff in Congress and that stuff with help the Northeast. The problem is you don't want to admit it. When it comes down to the two candidates, Brown has addressed the major concerns of voters here in the NE more than Schwartz has. That's why Torsella voters will strongly consider (and some will actually vote) Melissa Brown.

Addressing and doing are two different thing.  Schwartz has a history of DOING.  Brown has a history of addressing.  IMO, she's a snake and has personal reasons for wanting to go to Congress and she will fail yet again!  Torsella voters???  Yeah I was one and I am voting for Schwartz!  I still made it out for the primary despite the fact I had a huge final that day mainly because I thought he was a moderate and had the better chance of keeping the distirct Democratic.  He also assured me he was FAR from the Joe Lieberman wing of the party.  Why do you think people actually went out and voted for him?  Hmm, maybe it was because people are disenchanted with the Bush Administration and his associates.  Melissa Brown is eager to be a proud associate in Congress.  Oh and not to being this up again, Torsella is backing Schwartz.  You got a HUGE problem in the Montgomery Co. portion of the district.  That was her Republican primary challenger Ellen Bard whom Melissa Brown ran a nasty campaign against her out there.  It's a problem because Bard was a popular, entrenched State Rep out there and IS NOT backing Melissa Brown.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 25, 2004, 01:31:43 AM


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Torsella voters???  Yeah I was one and I am voting for Schwartz!
 

Ok well I hate to break this to you, Handzus, but you aren't the voice of the Torsella voters. Many will be considering her and you're going to see a lot of your fellow Torsella voters split their ballots on November 2nd.

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I still made it out for the primary despite the fact I had a huge final that day mainly because I thought he was a moderate and had the better chance of keeping the distirct Democratic.  He also assured me he was FAR from the Joe Lieberman wing of the party.

Well he's no Lieberman, I can agree with that. But he's no Hoeffel either.

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Melissa Brown is eager to be a proud associate in Congress.

If you believe Brown will be some puppet or whatever, you are mistaken. You're just an angry (and rather sad since you refer to the woman as a "snake") person. I think you're finally realizing Brown will be elected and you're very disappointed with that.

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You got a HUGE problem in the Montgomery Co. portion of the district.  That was her Republican primary challenger Ellen Bard whom Melissa Brown ran a nasty campaign against her out there.

How did Brown run a nasty campaign? I'm tired of your ridiculous accusations that you can't back up so maybe this time you can actually provide me with something she did that was "negative."



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 25, 2004, 01:58:37 AM
All I have to say is wait and see where her priorities are if God forbid she does get elected.  If she and Bush get elected, 2006 is going to be a sour year for you guys.  Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone! The Philadelphia metro area will be desolate for the GOP (barring any ballot suttfing).  Ok, as consolation you'll hold PA-16, NJ-2, NJ-4, and DE-AL.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 25, 2004, 09:29:46 AM
 Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone!

Are you kidding me? That's just a little wishful thinking on your part, Handzus.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 25, 2004, 01:44:42 PM
 Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone!

Are you kidding me? That's just a little wishful thinking on your part, Handzus.

If the Republicans sweep this year, I can almost guarantee you of this in 2006 minus say Weldon or Saxton.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 25, 2004, 02:19:07 PM
 Santorum will be out handily, Fitzpatrick (PA-8) if elected gone, Brown (PA-13) if elected gone, Gerlach (PA-6) if re-elected gone, Weldon(PA-7) gone, Dent (PA-15) if elected gone, Saxton(NJ-3) gone!

Are you kidding me? That's just a little wishful thinking on your part, Handzus.

If the Republicans sweep this year, I can almost guarantee you of this in 2006 minus say Weldon or Saxton.  

Why would that happen? Santorum and Brown are popular figures with the voters (maybe not with you but you don't represent the voice of your average voter in the state/PA 13) When it comes to Gerlach, well, he might have a serious challenge in 2006 (this year you are dreaming if you think Murphy has any shot) but I think he will win anway. Dent - very popular in the Lehigh Valley. Very popular.  You won't get rid of him, believe me. Fitzpatrick - might not be the strongest candidate but the Bucks county Dems have no credible opposition to his candidacy in 2004 and won't have anyone in 2006. And the one that made me laugh the hardest is your Weldon prediction (though you now changed it). If Weldon runs again in 2006 it will be another landslide victory.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 26, 2004, 01:38:49 AM
You are assuming WAY to much with Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 26, 2004, 09:58:12 AM

You're underestimating her for some reason, Handzus. And if Schwartz wants to do the same, that's fine with me. It only helps Brown.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 28, 2004, 04:48:23 PM

You're underestimating her for some reason, Handzus. And if Schwartz wants to do the same, that's fine with me. It only helps Brown.

I am not underestimating her.  Time will tell what dirty tircks she has up her sleeve.  Schwartz is sticking to national issues, while Brown is taking an issue that should be kept local and telling voters how horrible she thinks it is.  NO SH!T SHERLOCK!!!  I know this is a NATIONAL election and I agree with Schwartz on this issues, enough said.  As Mark said, Schwartz is not mentioning it, but it should be known to Northeast residents the dynamics of the program and what they can do with regards to unruly tenants in Section 8.  This brings me to my next point, how many are there... probably about 1/3.  The other 2/3 should not be punished because most of them are on it for a short while anyway to get back on their feet and feel bad about being on it because their pride is taken away.            

I think Northeast voters, not all though, will see right through this and vote Schwartz in the end who will prevail.  Schwartz is taking the high road and not stooping as low as Brown and sticking to why she should eb elected to CONGRESS!  If you or your neighbors have problems with tenants, take it up with the PHA and document any unruliness or abuses via videotapes or local officials (O'Neill, Mariano, Krajewski, Stack, Taylor, Perzel, O'Brien, etc.).      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 05:47:14 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 06:39:50 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 07:41:34 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 07:45:47 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!

This is a lot of fun. While your signature is immature, it makes me laugh since you can't debate the issues, you can't respectfully disagree with people or candidates. Funny yet kind of sad.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 07:57:07 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!

This is a lot of fun. While your signature is immature, it makes me laugh since you can't debate the issues, you can't respectfully disagree with people or candidates. Funny yet kind of sad.

I think it's even more sad talking in circles and and hearing sh!t liek it's yesterday's news.  Yeah I know Section 8 and med mal are problems, but you are not focusing clearly enough of what avenues to go down and how they can be solved.  You think Melissa Brown is the automatic solution to these.  You are rebutting my arguments with overly simplistic and narrow minded points of view and it's getting sick.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 08:01:12 PM
Oh and by the way Keystone, have you ever watched Bowling for Columbine?  I recommend it especially from about half way through the movie and thereafter.  Strongly applies to PA-13!

Haven't seen it and never plan on seeing a Michael Moore movie.

(I've seen you resulted to your immature ways with your signature. The ridiculous things you come up with. Proves you can't win when debating issues.)

I love the comedic aspects of this!  It's not all about issues, but apparently you have a poor pre-recorded response every time.  Gotta have some fun with this!

This is a lot of fun. While your signature is immature, it makes me laugh since you can't debate the issues, you can't respectfully disagree with people or candidates. Funny yet kind of sad.

I think it's even more sad talking in circles and and hearing sh!t liek it's yesterday's news.  Yeah I know Section 8 and med mal are problems, but you are not focusing clearly enough of what avenues to go down and how they can be solved.  You think Melissa Brown is the automatic solution to these.  You are rebutting my arguments with overly simplistic and narrow minded points of view and it's getting sick.

You think my views on Section 8 and med. mal. reform and my support for Brown is sick? I don't even know how to answer that it's just too foolish. What is sick is your signature. Can you please be civil with your arguments and not stoop to this level?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 29, 2004, 09:40:18 PM
Melissa Brown needs to stop stressing the section 8 issue because it has been frozen in the northeast for awhile. The northeast and montgomery county deserve better a real women and leader and lady by the name of Allyson Schwartz who will revise our no child left behind act, fight for our veterans benefits, and produce jobs in pa 13. We want a winner and lady who has the qualifications by being a state senator for many years. What qualifications does melissa brown have losing year after year to democrats in this seat. Hopefully after this year she will give up because obviously the TAXPAYERS DONT WANT HER !


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 09:44:04 PM
The northeast and montgomery county deserve better a real women  

You said some really dumb things in that post but what really made me laugh was when you said that PA 13 needs a real woman. Now I know your comments are not intended to be serious after that statement.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 09:45:20 PM
What qualifications does melissa brown have losing year after year to democrats in this seat.

Uhhhh this is only the second time Melissa Brown is running for this seat so she hasn't lost year after year to Democrats for this office.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 29, 2004, 09:49:55 PM
She ran against hoeffel twice and lost and now shes running against schwartz and is going to lose so it has been a few years now she has lost this seat. The taxpayers do not want her obviously.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 09:51:30 PM
She ran against hoeffel twice and lost and now shes running against schwartz and is going to lose so it has been a few years now she has lost this seat. The taxpayers do not want her obviously.

No she did not run against Hoeffel twice. Get your facts straight (as tough a task as that may be for you.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on August 29, 2004, 10:02:36 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 10:06:30 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 11:16:57 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)

Hey Demoteen, I find this hard to believe considering he has made over 2700 posts in two months.  WOW!  Keystone, you should go to Egypt for Teen night at some point.  I know they still have it because my sister's 15.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 11:27:02 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)

Hey Demoteen, I find this hard to believe considering he has made over 2700 posts in two months.  WOW!  Keystone, you should go to Egypt for Teen night at some point.  I know they still have it because my sister's 15.

Now you want to make this personal too, IrishDem? You ought to talk about being on the forum a lot...I mean you're what...24 years old? Don't you have anything better to do?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 11:37:55 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)

Hey Demoteen, I find this hard to believe considering he has made over 2700 posts in two months.  WOW!  Keystone, you should go to Egypt for Teen night at some point.  I know they still have it because my sister's 15.

Now you want to make this personal too, IrishDem? You ought to talk about being on the forum a lot...I mean you're what...24 years old? Don't you have anything better to do?

I've been on here 3 months longer than you and you have almost twice as many posts.  That's pretty sad.  I'm on here because I work nights and I need to unqind while everyone else is asleep.  Now I don't have a girlfriend, but I am at Finnegans Wake, Top Dog, Flatspin, Chickie's & Pete's or wherever hooking myself up every weekend.  Steady relationship??? On a personal note, it is excessively difficult to find someone I'm capable of setling with.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 11:40:09 PM
I meant once, but it doesnt really matter cause the taxpayers are sick of her scare tactics and she will lose just like twice before. And thats my final word cause you dont go out and you sit on this website for hours upon hours and fight with people about petty bullsh**t so later.

You've been saying that you were leaving for about ten minutes now. Is it that hard to log out for you? (Also, to clear something up for you since you have no idea what I do outside of school/this forum, I do go out and have a non-political social life.)

Hey Demoteen, I find this hard to believe considering he has made over 2700 posts in two months.  WOW!  Keystone, you should go to Egypt for Teen night at some point.  I know they still have it because my sister's 15.

Now you want to make this personal too, IrishDem? You ought to talk about being on the forum a lot...I mean you're what...24 years old? Don't you have anything better to do?

I've been on here 3 months longer than you and you have almost twice as many posts.  That's pretty sad.  

It's sad that I like to debate the issues? To say that I don't have a social life, when you don't even know me, is foolish.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 11:49:23 PM
2700 posts in only 2 mos. is pretty bad.  Most people my age have different job schedules and relationships so there is some idle time for me.  I like to debate issues as well and there is nothing wrong with it.  You seem to love attacking Demoteen04 and myself very quickly.  Ok, so I bring in another Young Dem.  What are you going to always act this childish?  Ok, I kind of bust your balls on the Santorum pic, but I live with it and add my own stuff.  Instead of just laughing at it, you take personal offense to it like I'm attacking your mother.  I don't exactly echo everything Demoteen says, but there is a lot to be questioned.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 29, 2004, 11:52:53 PM
2700 posts in only 2 mos. is pretty bad.  Most people my age have different job schedules and relationships so there is some idle time for me.  I like to debate issues as well and there is nothing wrong with it.  You seem to love attacking Demoteen04 and myself very quickly.  Ok, so I bring in another Young Dem.  What are you going to always act this childish?  Ok, I kind of bust your balls on the Santorum pic, but I live with it and add my own stuff.  Instead of just laughing at it, you take personal offense to it like I'm attacking your mother.  I don't exactly echo everything Demoteen says, but there is a lot to be questioned.  

Are you blind? I attack Demotroll? Look at the kid's posts. I have no problem with him being here. If he wants to make this into a personal attack thread, then I do have a problem.

And like I said, and I won't say this again, you do not know me. You don't know about my social life outside of the forum and politics.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 29, 2004, 11:58:03 PM
Ok, just because this kid goes to your high school and doesn't agree with me you have to attack him.


I GOT THE MAGIC STICK!!!!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 30, 2004, 12:00:57 AM
Ok, just because this kid goes to your high school and doesn't agree with me you have to attack him.


I GOT THE MAGIC STICK!!!!  

I'm not attacking the kid and I'm not having this argument anymore. This kid wants to cause trouble on the forum. Let's get back to the good 'ol PA 13 debates, not the name calling and childish attacks.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 30, 2004, 12:10:18 AM
Ok, just because this kid goes to your high school and doesn't agree with me you have to attack him.


I GOT THE MAGIC STICK!!!!  

I'm not attacking the kid and I'm not having this argument anymore. This kid wants to cause trouble on the forum. Let's get back to the good 'ol PA 13 debates, not the name calling and childish attacks.

Deal!  Always good to switch it up every once in a while to break the monotony.


Title: Get a Room!!
Post by: ?????????? on August 30, 2004, 01:33:00 AM
Is this the Pennsylvania b*tch thread? All you guys do is argue! Get a room already! :) :D


Title: Re:Get a Room!!
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 30, 2004, 01:40:56 AM
Is this the Pennsylvania b*tch thread? All you guys do is argue! Get a room already! :) :D

Aww are you jealous?


Title: Re:Get a Room!!
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 30, 2004, 09:45:58 AM
Is this the Pennsylvania b*tch thread? All you guys do is argue! Get a room already! :) :D

This is probably the best thread on the forum! Plus, we are arguing about one of the top 10 Congressional races in the country so...yeah...we're going to argue.

(As for the "other" arguments, hopefully they end for good. Demotroll obviously loves to cause trouble and interupts what is usually a good debate on PA 13, not personal issues.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 30, 2004, 10:56:56 AM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 06, 2004, 08:44:46 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2004, 08:57:25 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 06, 2004, 09:04:51 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2004, 09:11:39 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.

Patients suing for about 3 million dollars for non-economic reasons is the problem, IrishDem.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 06, 2004, 09:14:18 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.

Patients suing for about 3 million dollars for non-economic reasons is the problem, IrishDem.

What you fail to realize is that a patient even rightfully suing a doctor that f-ed up is about 1 of 8 because most lawyers won't take and the chances of winning even after a lawyers takes it is 1 of 20!!!  Classic Melissa Brown and another divide and conquer scheme based on false premises.  Fortunately I am a good juror and my verdict for her will be NO SALE!!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2004, 09:16:46 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.

Patients suing for about 3 million dollars for non-economic reasons is the problem, IrishDem.

 Fortunately I am a good juror and my verdict for her will be NO SALE!!!

You must think these up in advance or something. Anyway, Happy Labor Day. Let the campaigning begin!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 06, 2004, 09:19:48 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.

Patients suing for about 3 million dollars for non-economic reasons is the problem, IrishDem.

 Fortunately I am a good juror and my verdict for her will be NO SALE!!!

You must think these up in advance or something. Anyway, Happy Labor Day. Let the campaigning begin!

In advance?? I don't think so.  I have very good factual knowledge on these things.  Just wondering who is you MUN moderator?  On a more personal note I tried to sue an @sshole doctor myself and the lawyer gave me these stats.  Don't ask about details of the case.  This is a small part of the reason I am not voting for Melissa brown.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2004, 09:26:04 PM
I don't know if you saw, IrishDem, but Brown just gave a short speech at the convention about Healthcare reform.

I seen a transcript because I had work.  Too short and she misses a lot of points about why there is a REAL malpractice crisis.  Remeber, she and her husband ran an insurance company into the ground so she kinda wants to avoid that topic.

First of all it had to be short. They had speakers from the top Congressional races throughout the country speaking so they couldn't get up there and give a 15 minute speech. Secondly, med mal has been a major topic in her campaign and has been doing much more than Schwartz when it comes to discussing why there is a REAL crisis. Finally, I don't think your story about the insurance company is true. She was a pretty successful buisnesswoman, a successful physician, author of quite a few medical publications...so to say she wants to avoid this issue is pretty foolish.

Oh, she doesn't want to avoid the issue, but I feel she's blaming the wrong people.  She is avoiding the reasons WHY there is a crisis.  Patients and trial lawyers are an easier target than med mal insurance companies.

Patients suing for about 3 million dollars for non-economic reasons is the problem, IrishDem.

 Fortunately I am a good juror and my verdict for her will be NO SALE!!!

You must think these up in advance or something. Anyway, Happy Labor Day. Let the campaigning begin!

In advance?? I don't think so.  I have very good factual knowledge on these things.  

No no I meant that saying about how you're a "good juror" and you say "No Sale" to her. Some of the things you come up with...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 07, 2004, 04:32:32 PM
It seems like Brown is very popular with the law enforcement community especially if you compare her and Schwartz...

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm (http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm)

And CNN has PA 13 as one of the top four "Hot" Congressional races

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 08, 2004, 01:13:36 AM
Roosevelt Blvd. (US 1 for those out of town) was a sweet sight today and I also saw one lawn sign of Allyson Schwartz going to work!  Yeah, Melissa Brown will roll out in a few days along with her usual dirty campaigning.  LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 08, 2004, 02:47:26 AM
It seems like Brown is very popular with the law enforcement community especially if you compare her and Schwartz...

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm (http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm)

And CNN has PA 13 as one of the top four "Hot" Congressional races

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html)

Melissa Brown's popularity with law enforcement does NOTHING to sway my vote.  I find most cops are Republicans anyway, but for some reason many FOPs in the past have endorsed Democrats.  There are too many unions in the district that are supporting Schwartz that will swamp her (Local 98, Steamfitters, etc.)  Plus the vote everyhwere else plus the drastic increase in liberalism in Montgomery County may be too much for Brown to overcome.  Non-law enforcement residents of Northeast Philly are feeling the economic pinch and more times than none vote Demcoratic.  Cops and firemen have very good salary, benefits, and job security second to none so they obviously have more of a luxury to focus on issues such as crime and punishment when making their decisions at the polls.  I DON'T!  Raggage this is not meant to offend you because you're a cool cop that sees a lot of things and I respect that.  I share your desire to remove our Prick Senator Santorum.  A good number, though not all of Northeast Philadelphia cops have that blase, "I can f--k with anyone I want, I hate ni--ers" Republican attitude though.  I really think if I were African American, I would have been in the hospital for the underage drinking I did at Rec centers instead of being told "conceal your 40 son".  Melissa Brown appeals to this menatlity very much and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 08, 2004, 06:32:37 AM
Roosevelt Blvd. (US 1 for those out of town) was a sweet sight today and I also saw one lawn sign of Allyson Schwartz going to work!  Yeah, Melissa Brown will roll out in a few days along with her usual dirty campaigning.  LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!

Yeah there goes Schwartz putting up thousands of her signs two feet apart from each other. That really annoys people when all they see are signs. And to be honest with you, you won't be seeing many Schwartz lawn signs in NE Philly. That's why she needs thousands of them on the roadways.

Also, Schwartz is the only one with the "dirty" campaigning right now. All she does is accuse Brown of this and that and doesn't back a single thing up! Unlike Brown who has focused her campaign on issues important to voters.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 08, 2004, 06:46:35 AM
It seems like Brown is very popular with the law enforcement community especially if you compare her and Schwartz...

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm (http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/090704brown.htm)

And CNN has PA 13 as one of the top four "Hot" Congressional races

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/house/index.html)

  Melissa Brown appeals to this menatlity very much and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable.

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 08, 2004, 01:55:31 PM
Roosevelt Blvd. (US 1 for those out of town) was a sweet sight today and I also saw one lawn sign of Allyson Schwartz going to work!  Yeah, Melissa Brown will roll out in a few days along with her usual dirty campaigning.  LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!


Also, Schwartz is the only one with the "dirty" campaigning right now. All she does is accuse Brown of this and that and doesn't back a single thing up! Unlike Brown who has focused her campaign on issues important to voters.

Go to Allyson's website.  She backs it up pretty well.  Brown has focused on issues important to HER, not the voters of the NE.  She wants to find an easier target to reduce her insurance premiums, so she figured she can attack the supposed "outargeousness of lawsuits."


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 08, 2004, 02:04:44 PM
Roosevelt Blvd. (US 1 for those out of town) was a sweet sight today and I also saw one lawn sign of Allyson Schwartz going to work!  Yeah, Melissa Brown will roll out in a few days along with her usual dirty campaigning.  LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!


Also, Schwartz is the only one with the "dirty" campaigning right now. All she does is accuse Brown of this and that and doesn't back a single thing up! Unlike Brown who has focused her campaign on issues important to voters.

Go to Allyson's website.  She backs it up pretty well.  Brown has focused on issues important to HER, not the voters of the NE.  She wants to find an easier target to reduce her insurance premiums, so she figured she can attack the supposed "outargeousness of lawsuits."

You must be joking. Section 8 reform is not important to voters in the NE? Tort reform isn't important up here? Listen, I understand if you don't agree with Brown but saying she isn't focusing on issues important to the people in the Northeast is ridiculous.

Why won't Schwartz discuss these issues? Why won't she share her opinion on Section 8?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 09, 2004, 01:24:03 AM
As I have said for about the 100th time yes Section 8 is important to the voters as it is to me.  It's more a matter of where they prioritize it.  As for medical malpractice, of course no one wants to see their doctors leave.  The fact is it's pointless to mention Section 8 in a FEDERAL campaign.  Also, as I have said about 50 times before, the issue of doctors leaving because of their increasing premiums lies with the INSURANCE COMPANY!  

It should be a matter of where you stand on the other issues and speaking for the Northeast as broadly as you do is outrageous.  I think on issues such as the war, energey independence, taxes, abortion, the death penalty, I have stated my postions quite clearly.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: ?????????? on September 09, 2004, 01:40:28 AM
As I have said for about the 100th time yes Section 8 is important to the voters as it is to me.  It's more a matter of where they prioritize it.  As for medical malpractice, of course no one wants to see their doctors leave.  The fact is it's pointless to mention Section 8 in a FEDERAL campaign.  Also, as I have said about 50 times before, the issue of doctors leaving because of their increasing premiums lies with the INSURANCE COMPANY!  

It should be a matter of where you stand on the other issues and speaking for the Northeast as broadly as you do is outrageous.  I think on issues such as the war, energey independence, taxes, abortion, the death penalty, I have stated my postions quite clearly.

I think PA 13 would benefit if Section 8 was eliminated.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 09, 2004, 01:48:11 AM
As I have said for about the 100th time yes Section 8 is important to the voters as it is to me.  It's more a matter of where they prioritize it.  As for medical malpractice, of course no one wants to see their doctors leave.  The fact is it's pointless to mention Section 8 in a FEDERAL campaign.  Also, as I have said about 50 times before, the issue of doctors leaving because of their increasing premiums lies with the INSURANCE COMPANY!  

It should be a matter of where you stand on the other issues and speaking for the Northeast as broadly as you do is outrageous.  I think on issues such as the war, energey independence, taxes, abortion, the death penalty, I have stated my postions quite clearly.

I think PA 13 would benefit if Section 8 was eliminated.

Thanks for chiming in.  Can you please tell me what other Congressional Districts are in Northeast Philadelphia or what Steak places are there?  I didn't think so!  Instead of making broad based assupmtions, you might want to think of putting more detail into your posts.  If you have good knowledge of the district, I'd like to hear it.  Otherwise, just let me and KeystonePhil answer your questions.  Thank you.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 09, 2004, 11:29:24 AM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 09, 2004, 12:17:37 PM
As I have said for about the 100th time yes Section 8 is important to the voters as it is to me.  It's more a matter of where they prioritize it.  As for medical malpractice, of course no one wants to see their doctors leave.  The fact is it's pointless to mention Section 8 in a FEDERAL campaign.  Also, as I have said about 50 times before, the issue of doctors leaving because of their increasing premiums lies with the INSURANCE COMPANY!  

It should be a matter of where you stand on the other issues and speaking for the Northeast as broadly as you do is outrageous.  I think on issues such as the war, energey independence, taxes, abortion, the death penalty, I have stated my postions quite clearly.

I think PA 13 would benefit if Section 8 was eliminated.

It shouldn't be eliminated but it needs some BIG reforms. Check out Melissa Brown's site (the candidate who is actually addressing the issue unlike Schwartz) and you'll see some of the reforms she is pushing for  http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm (http://www.melissabrownforcongress.com/issues/Section%208.htm)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 09, 2004, 12:48:45 PM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)

I'm still scratching my head over that one, but my best guess is Allyson Schwartz endorsed Alex Talamadge during the DA primary in 2001 over Lynne Abraham.  I'm thinking this is payback, but I'm not so sure.  Bear with me I just realized this.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 09, 2004, 12:54:55 PM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)

I'm still scratching my head over that one, but my best guess is Allyson Schwartz endorsed Alex Talamadge during the DA primary in 2001 over Lynne Abraham.  I'm thinking this is payback, but I'm not so sure.  Bear with me I just realized this.

Well I hope that you will now take back the ridiculous comment about how Brown received that endorsement (even though I find this reasoning about "payback" ridiculous too).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 09, 2004, 01:09:11 PM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)

I'm still scratching my head over that one, but my best guess is Allyson Schwartz endorsed Alex Talamadge during the DA primary in 2001 over Lynne Abraham.  I'm thinking this is payback, but I'm not so sure.  Bear with me I just realized this.

Well I hope that you will now take back the ridiculous comment about how Brown received that endorsement (even though I find this reasoning about "payback" ridiculous too).

I take it back, but I was just taking a wild, yet somewhat valid guess.   The "payback" reasoning is NOT ridiculous because the FOP loves Abraham and Schwartz's endorsement of Talamadge in 2001 may have set off an old spark.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 09, 2004, 01:13:07 PM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)

I'm still scratching my head over that one, but my best guess is Allyson Schwartz endorsed Alex Talamadge during the DA primary in 2001 over Lynne Abraham.  I'm thinking this is payback, but I'm not so sure.  Bear with me I just realized this.

Well I hope that you will now take back the ridiculous comment about how Brown received that endorsement (even though I find this reasoning about "payback" ridiculous too).

I take it back, but I was just taking a wild, yet somewhat valid guess.   The "payback" reasoning is NOT ridiculous because the FOP loves Abraham and Schwartz's endorsement of Talamadge in 2001 may have set off an old spark.

Do you know for certain that Schwartz backed Talamadge? And for some reason I keep thinking that Abraham endorsed Schwartz during the primary (I could be mistaken. Abraham endorsing Torsella wouldn't surprise me at all).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 09, 2004, 02:08:13 PM
Speaking of questions that should be answered IrishDem, why don't you answer the one I posted before. This question is in referrence to Brown and the FOP endorsement and the foolish statement you made on why she received it...

I really shouldn't be wasting my time responding to the stupidity of your post but I had a question: Brown, in your opinion, "appeals to this mentality and the FOP's endorsement was very predictable." Well first of all, Brown does not appeal to that mentality that you refer to and the Philly Dem party has to give up this "Brown is running a racist campaign." People are getting annoyed. But here is my question: If this FOP endorsement was so predictable because Brown "appeals to this mentality" that you speak of, does Mike Stack, Vince Fumo, Shirley Kitchen, Mike McGeehan, Alan Butkovitz, Mark Cohen, Dwight Evans, Jim Eisenhower, and Bob Casey appeal to that mentality too or are they exceptions because they are Democrats?

(Note: Those are just a few of the Democratic candidates endorsed by the Philadelphia FOP)

I'm still scratching my head over that one, but my best guess is Allyson Schwartz endorsed Alex Talamadge during the DA primary in 2001 over Lynne Abraham.  I'm thinking this is payback, but I'm not so sure.  Bear with me I just realized this.

Well I hope that you will now take back the ridiculous comment about how Brown received that endorsement (even though I find this reasoning about "payback" ridiculous too).

I take it back, but I was just taking a wild, yet somewhat valid guess.   The "payback" reasoning is NOT ridiculous because the FOP loves Abraham and Schwartz's endorsement of Talamadge in 2001 may have set off an old spark.

Do you know for certain that Schwartz backed Talamadge? And for some reason I keep thinking that Abraham endorsed Schwartz during the primary (I could be mistaken. Abraham endorsing Torsella wouldn't surprise me at all).

I'm certain Schwartz backed Talamadge.  Abraham backed Torsella in the primary.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: ?????????? on September 09, 2004, 04:21:03 PM
As I have said for about the 100th time yes Section 8 is important to the voters as it is to me.  It's more a matter of where they prioritize it.  As for medical malpractice, of course no one wants to see their doctors leave.  The fact is it's pointless to mention Section 8 in a FEDERAL campaign.  Also, as I have said about 50 times before, the issue of doctors leaving because of their increasing premiums lies with the INSURANCE COMPANY!  

It should be a matter of where you stand on the other issues and speaking for the Northeast as broadly as you do is outrageous.  I think on issues such as the war, energey independence, taxes, abortion, the death penalty, I have stated my postions quite clearly.

I think PA 13 would benefit if Section 8 was eliminated.

Thanks for chiming in.  Can you please tell me what other Congressional Districts are in Northeast Philadelphia or what Steak places are there?  I didn't think so!  Instead of making broad based assupmtions, you might want to think of putting more detail into your posts.  If you have good knowledge of the district, I'd like to hear it.  Otherwise, just let me and KeystonePhil answer your questions.  Thank you.  

OK mick. :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 13, 2004, 02:26:44 PM
KeystonePhil, I was wondering.  Have you seen Sam Mirarchi's latest press release or his website?  I've seen both and have considered it.  YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!!  Do you honestly think I am going to buy this BS?  It has become a seemingly central theme within the Philadelphia GOP.  Because they can't do anything otherwise they have to resort to 2 tactics if all else fails:

1.  Bring up Section 8
2.  Tie your Democratic opponent to John Street

Dude, this is getting pathetic.  No, really!  The fact that the top of your ticket are @ssholes means at the local level your party has to resort such tactics to hopefully get elected.  Do you honestly think I should vote for someone that's 30, lives with his parents, and can't blurb out anythign else but Section 8?  While Brendan Boyle is 27, he had to learn the hard way and that's right....  HE DOESN'T LIVE WITH HIS PARENTS!!!  Boyle didn't live in a Pine Valley mansion like Mirarchi did and knows the middle class better. I mean I thought Melissa Brown was bad, but Sam Mirarchi is pathetic!    

 


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 13, 2004, 04:43:52 PM
KeystonePhil, I was wondering.  Have you seen Sam Mirarchi's latest press release or his website?  I've seen both and have considered it.  YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME!!!  Do you honestly think I am going to buy this BS?  It has become a seemingly central theme within the Philadelphia GOP.  Because they can't do anything otherwise they have to resort to 2 tactics if all else fails:

1.  Bring up Section 8
2.  Tie your Democratic opponent to John Street

Dude, this is getting pathetic.  No, really!  The fact that the top of your ticket are @ssholes means at the local level your party has to resort such tactics to hopefully get elected.  Do you honestly think I should vote for someone that's 30, lives with his parents, and can't blurb out anythign else but Section 8?  While Brendan Boyle is 27, he had to learn the hard way and that's right....  HE DOESN'T LIVE WITH HIS PARENTS!!!  Boyle didn't live in a Pine Valley mansion like Mirarchi did and knows the middle class better. I mean I thought Melissa Brown was bad, but Sam Mirarchi is pathetic!    

 

You're the pathetic one. You're making fun of the fact that someone lives with their parents while you're one of  the angriest most pathetic liberal on this forum. And what does Brendan Boyle have to do with this subject? Can't defend Stack, can you? You won't bring up that Mirarchi has probably met with more voters in one year of campaigning as opposed to Stack who most people don't know. I know I'd rather have someone that lives with their parents as our State Senator as opposed to Mike Stack who has not a single accomplishment while in office and is very rarely seen in the district.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 13, 2004, 05:06:33 PM
 Boyle didn't live in a Pine Valley mansion like Mirarchi did and knows the middle class better. I mean I thought Melissa Brown was bad, but Sam Mirarchi is pathetic!    

And can I ask what are you talking about? Pine Valley mansion? Well that would mean one thing right? He's rich, right? Well wrong. Just because his parent's own a small buisness tire company doesn't mean he's rich. And if he was rich, wouldn't you think he'd be pumping tons of money into this campaign? Please do yourself a favor and think before you speak.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 13, 2004, 06:17:11 PM
In other Stack-Mirarchi news, a new Mirarchi poll shows the following...

Stack - 45%
Mirarchi - 44%
Undecideds - 11%

(Let's get back to debating PA13 as soon as possible. It's not that I don't mind discussing this but ya know...it's the PA13 thread. If you have points to bring up for this, go ahead but let's get back on topic soon.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 14, 2004, 01:05:56 AM
I brought up Mirarchi because he is trying to win on the same issue Melissa Brown is.  You were trying to get me to vote Mirarchi and I obviously grilled him.  Do I apologize for it? NO!  Hey, Miek Stack has to WORK in the State Senate.  Mirarchi has the luxury of going around to meet and greet voters.  I could care less about who is cmapigning where, I want someone that has my best interests.  Mike Stack did get quite a few things accomplished such as expanding PACE and his fighting against the closing of firehouses and the outrageous PGW surchrages.  All Sam Mirarchi has done is criticize, but he has no real plans other than Section 8.  I am angry and have every right to be because he thinks I should vote for him over that issue alone.  Does he honestly think I'm that stupid?  I'm going to create another thread in Individual Politics pointing out some of the GOP tactics.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 14, 2004, 02:26:09 PM
I brought up Mirarchi because he is trying to win on the same issue Melissa Brown is.  You were trying to get me to vote Mirarchi and I obviously grilled him.  Do I apologize for it? NO!  Hey, Miek Stack has to WORK in the State Senate.  Mirarchi has the luxury of going around to meet and greet voters.  I could care less about who is cmapigning where, I want someone that has my best interests.  Mike Stack did get quite a few things accomplished such as expanding PACE and his fighting against the closing of firehouses and the outrageous PGW surchrages.  All Sam Mirarchi has done is criticize, but he has no real plans other than Section 8.  I am angry and have every right to be because he thinks I should vote for him over that issue alone.  Does he honestly think I'm that stupid?  I'm going to create another thread in Individual Politics pointing out some of the GOP tactics.    

Ok exuse me for just a moment. You said that Stack has to work in the State Senate. That's true. Thing is, he does nothing, really. But you were implying that he does. Now that's a laugh!

You brought up the firefighters. Stack rallied with him (in an attempt to disassociate himself from Street) and so did Mirarchi. Brown did, too. Where was Allyson Schwartz? Hmmm.

And finally, I'd like to point out how you falsely accused Mirarchi of living with his parents (I know it's hard but stop reading PoliticsPa.com for awhile.) Even if he did, that has ZERO relevance to this debate and continues to show your lack of ability to hold an argument on issues.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 14, 2004, 03:11:49 PM
Mirarchi has the luxury of going around to meet and greet voters.  

I forgot to point out this amusing line. Sure it's great to meet and greet voters and talk with them. I know that Mirarchi likes it (he has a strong grassroots campaign) but I wouldn't call it a luxury. Some residents are totally ignorant to candidates (regardless of party) and make it very difficult for the candidate. Then again these are just a few. Many residents are very welcoming. I wouldn't call it a luxury though.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 15, 2004, 01:25:14 PM
By the way, nice article in the Times.  I understand you want to express your opinion to the voters of Northeast Philadelphia.  Next time COME UP WITH SOME FACTS before you falsely bash Allyson Schwartz.  Melissa Brown does indeed have a horrendous history of negative campaigning and making false accusations against both Joe Hoeffel in the past and now Allyson Schwartz.  Oh and did you read the Mike Stack article?  Well, that just proves what I've been trying to tell you all along.  If you think I'm going to publicly respond to that in the paper, you must be dreaming!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 15, 2004, 03:00:49 PM
By the way, nice article in the Times.  I understand you want to express your opinion to the voters of Northeast Philadelphia.  Next time COME UP WITH SOME FACTS before you falsely bash Allyson Schwartz.  Melissa Brown does indeed have a horrendous history of negative campaigning and making false accusations against both Joe Hoeffel in the past and now Allyson Schwartz.  Oh and did you read the Mike Stack article?  Well, that just proves what I've been trying to tell you all along.  If you think I'm going to publicly respond to that in the paper, you must be dreaming!  

Come up with facts? Where should I begin? Schwartz has pretty much focused her campaign on calling Brown negative yet can't point out a single negative thing she has done in this race. Not one thing!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 15, 2004, 03:19:02 PM
The NE Times doesn't get to my house till Tomorrow so I figured I'd check out the site. I was reading the letters to the editor and I was wondering if you saw the one about Schwartz's signs? Didn't I tell you people will be mad that she is littering every major roadway with a sign every two feet?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 16, 2004, 12:59:55 AM
The NE Times doesn't get to my house till Tomorrow so I figured I'd check out the site. I was reading the letters to the editor and I was wondering if you saw the one about Schwartz's signs? Didn't I tell you people will be mad that she is littering every major roadway with a sign every two feet?

The person probably wasn't going to vote for her anyway.  He was making an excuse not to.  Yes, Keystone there will be Democrats voting Brown unfortunately.  Brown will go on her littering rampage as she has done in the past as well.  She is also an offennder of those tacky utility pole signs.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 16, 2004, 01:52:10 AM
I also forgot about Ginny Schrader and Lois Murphy.  LET'S HEAR IT FOR ALL DA LADIES IN DA HOUSE!!!! (US House literally)  CAN I GET A WUT! WUT!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 16, 2004, 02:43:52 PM
The NE Times doesn't get to my house till Tomorrow so I figured I'd check out the site. I was reading the letters to the editor and I was wondering if you saw the one about Schwartz's signs? Didn't I tell you people will be mad that she is littering every major roadway with a sign every two feet?

The person probably wasn't going to vote for her anyway.  He was making an excuse not to.  Yes, Keystone there will be Democrats voting Brown unfortunately.  Brown will go on her littering rampage as she has done in the past as well.  She is also an offennder of those tacky utility pole signs.

1) If you look at it as if it was one guy who wasn't going to vote for her you could say "Oh well only one vote against her." But remember it's a Democratic committeeman. He'll have an influence on Dems in his area.

2) You're a Schwartz supporter and you want to lecture Brown about littering? Are you kidding? Schwartz has signs up every two feet on most major roadways. She knows that she won't get many lawn signs up on people's lawns so she figures she can just throw them up everywhere else. Well the people don't seem to happy about it.


Title: Irishman vs Italian
Post by: ?????????? on September 16, 2004, 09:12:17 PM
Please rename this thread. Thanks. :)


Title: Re:Irishman vs Italian
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 16, 2004, 09:34:11 PM

Haha. Nice one, States.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 18, 2004, 05:30:10 PM
Hey KeystonePhil, your buddy John Perzel has his hands nice and dirty again.  If you think John Street is corrupt take a look at this:

Forced Contributions to GOP?
PHILADELPHIA-September 14, 2004 — Employees of the Republican-
controlled Philadelphia Parking Authority said they were told by
their superiors to contribute to the GOP, or risk losing their jobs,
a newspaper reported.
Five employees said they were pressured on the job to contribute
$275 per year, the Philadelphia Daily News reported for Tuesday
editions. Campaign finance records show dozens of $100 contributions
this year from workers making $25,000 or less.

State law forbids demanding political contributions from public
employees or contractors.

"It's extortion," said Michael J. Vecchione, who was hired two years
ago to work in the authority's impoundment lots. The four other
employees spoke to the Daily News on condition of anonymity.

Vecchione, 38, said he had been on the job about a month when his
supervisor asked him to buy a $100 ticket to the Republican City
Committee's fall dinner.

"I told her, "I'm not really a political person.' Then she told
me, 'You should understand, this is a patronage job and you have to
buy three tickets a year.' At that time, I refused to pay, but two
days later another supervisor came up and said I was still under
probation. If I didn't buy the tickets they could fire me."

Vecchione said he got another call from a woman in the office of
state House Republican leader John Perzel. Perzel, now the House
speaker, engineered the Republican Party's takeover of the Parking
Authority from the Democratic-controlled city in 2001.

"I told her, no one ever told me before I was hired about buying
these tickets. And she said, 'I'm telling you now,"' Vecchione said.

Prompted by an inquiry from the newspaper, the Parking Authority's
executive director, Joseph M. Egan Jr., sent a memo to all 823
authority employees last week warning them that they could be fired
for soliciting money on the job or threatening workers who refuse to
contribute.

"Employees must be free from any pressure, real or perceived, to
contribute to any activity or group," Egan said.

Parking Authority employees also said they had been asked to work
the polls. Several said the political activity appeared to be
organized by Vincent J. Fenerty, Egan's top deputy and a Republican
ward leader.

Fenerty denied pressuring employees to make a political
contribution, but acknowledged accepting a $100 donation from
Vecchione on authority time. Fenerty, however, described Vecchione
as a "disgruntled employee" and said Vecchione approached him with
the $100.

Vecchione said Fenerty had pressured him for the money.


Oh and by the way, have they found anything on Street?  Still waiting here!  Not that Street's a good mayor, but I love how the GOP is trying to grab everything for themselves... The Parking Authority, Philly International Airport, SEPTA, the Public Schools, and I'm sure many more things.  For being such a Democratic stronghold ripe with corruption from within you have to wonder.  I starting to think most of the crap is coming from you guys.  John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 18, 2004, 07:02:59 PM
John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


This is where your arguments aren't taken seriously. I guess now your accusing Perzel and Brown of forcing residents to put up lawn signs? I wouldn't be surprised if you are...

(By the way, your signature gives me a good laugh. :P)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 19, 2004, 12:12:31 AM
John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


This is where your arguments aren't taken seriously. I guess now your accusing Perzel and Brown of forcing residents to put up lawn signs? I wouldn't be surprised if you are...

(By the way, your signature gives me a good laugh. :P)

It's sure odd there's an overwhelming amount of Brown support is such a concentrated area and near Perzel's office.  It's funny once you pass that little sector, Schwartz signs sporadically resume.  Oh, I'm sorry your drug company Representative George Kenney is on his way out!  I'm just illustrating how pathetic your party is while they should be targeting my vote considering the widespread disenchantment with Street and the city Dems.  You guys accuse the city Dems of corruption and "pay to play" yet you guys are worse!  I'll just stick with my ideology thank you!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 19, 2004, 09:15:21 AM
John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


This is where your arguments aren't taken seriously. I guess now your accusing Perzel and Brown of forcing residents to put up lawn signs? I wouldn't be surprised if you are...

(By the way, your signature gives me a good laugh. :P)

It's sure odd there's an overwhelming amount of Brown support is such a concentrated area and near Perzel's office.  It's funny once you pass that little sector, Schwartz signs sporadically resume.  Oh, I'm sorry your drug company Representative George Kenney is on his way out!  I'm just illustrating how pathetic your party is while they should be targeting my vote considering the widespread disenchantment with Street and the city Dems.  You guys accuse the city Dems of corruption and "pay to play" yet you guys are worse!  I'll just stick with my ideology thank you!  

Have you ever taken a drive around the district, IrishDem? I promise you that Brown signs are not just in Perzel's area. Yes, there are Schwartz signs that pop up here and there but there is no doubt in my mind that Brown has much more.

And I don't understand what you mean when you say the GOP should be targeting your vote. You complain about how the Philly GOP points out Street and other disliked Philly city Dems and the bad job they are doing yet you want them to continue doing it? It makes no sense at all.







Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 19, 2004, 01:51:05 PM
John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


This is where your arguments aren't taken seriously. I guess now your accusing Perzel and Brown of forcing residents to put up lawn signs? I wouldn't be surprised if you are...

(By the way, your signature gives me a good laugh. :P)

It's sure odd there's an overwhelming amount of Brown support is such a concentrated area and near Perzel's office.  It's funny once you pass that little sector, Schwartz signs sporadically resume.  Oh, I'm sorry your drug company Representative George Kenney is on his way out!  I'm just illustrating how pathetic your party is while they should be targeting my vote considering the widespread disenchantment with Street and the city Dems.  You guys accuse the city Dems of corruption and "pay to play" yet you guys are worse!  I'll just stick with my ideology thank you!  

Have you ever taken a drive around the district, IrishDem? I promise you that Brown signs are not just in Perzel's area. Yes, there are Schwartz signs that pop up here and there but there is no doubt in my mind that Brown has much more.

And I don't understand what you mean when you say the GOP should be targeting your vote. You complain about how the Philly GOP points out Street and other disliked Philly city Dems and the bad job they are doing yet you want them to continue doing it? It makes no sense at all.


I'm beginning to realize corruption is ripe on both sides.  The GOP could take the high road and possibly have gotten my vote.  Instead, Perzel and Co. are equally as bad, if not worse than Street.  ON the national level, it's a lot worse.  I kind of bought into the fact that City Hall was corrupt and rightfully so, but the GOP's selling point locally was they weren't.  There is a very good reason the GOP is outnumbered 4 to 1 in Philadelphia.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 19, 2004, 07:42:07 PM
John Perzel and Rick Santorum are lovely Mob poster boys.  Melissa Brown and the whole Section 8 thing is a joke.  It looks ever so lovely that Ryan Ave. west of Cottman Ave has Perzel and Brown signs from door to door.  Gee, wonder how much they're paying for advertisement or worse yet extortion.      


This is where your arguments aren't taken seriously. I guess now your accusing Perzel and Brown of forcing residents to put up lawn signs? I wouldn't be surprised if you are...

(By the way, your signature gives me a good laugh. :P)

It's sure odd there's an overwhelming amount of Brown support is such a concentrated area and near Perzel's office.  It's funny once you pass that little sector, Schwartz signs sporadically resume.  Oh, I'm sorry your drug company Representative George Kenney is on his way out!  I'm just illustrating how pathetic your party is while they should be targeting my vote considering the widespread disenchantment with Street and the city Dems.  You guys accuse the city Dems of corruption and "pay to play" yet you guys are worse!  I'll just stick with my ideology thank you!  

Have you ever taken a drive around the district, IrishDem? I promise you that Brown signs are not just in Perzel's area. Yes, there are Schwartz signs that pop up here and there but there is no doubt in my mind that Brown has much more.

And I don't understand what you mean when you say the GOP should be targeting your vote. You complain about how the Philly GOP points out Street and other disliked Philly city Dems and the bad job they are doing yet you want them to continue doing it? It makes no sense at all.


I'm beginning to realize corruption is ripe on both sides.  The GOP could take the high road and possibly have gotten my vote.  Instead, Perzel and Co. are equally as bad, if not worse than Street.  ON the national level, it's a lot worse.  I kind of bought into the fact that City Hall was corrupt and rightfully so, but the GOP's selling point locally was they weren't.  There is a very good reason the GOP is outnumbered 4 to 1 in Philadelphia.  

Yeah it really is too bad the GOP is outnumbered here in Philly. If only that would change and we could get some leadership in City Hall...if only...


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 19, 2004, 07:55:38 PM
All I was saying if you kept for freaking hands clean locally, you could have got more support from the Northeast.  Too bad you can't even get half the Northeast on your side despite Street's ineptitude and corruption.  Again John Perzel is a thief and engineered a small fortune for himeslf and hsi family.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 19, 2004, 07:57:53 PM
Too bad you can't even get half the Northeast on your side despite Street's ineptitude and corruption.

Actually, right now, I think half the Northeast (maybe more) is on Brown's side regardless of Street and I think Brown will win here on election day.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 19, 2004, 07:59:38 PM
Too bad you can't even get half the Northeast on your side despite Street's ineptitude and corruption.

Actually, right now, I think half the Northeast (maybe more) is on Brown's side regardless of Street and I think Brown will win here on election day.

Sure, you'll get more than half of Northeast Philadelphia's cops on your side.  Thing is the other unions.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 19, 2004, 08:01:09 PM
Too bad you can't even get half the Northeast on your side despite Street's ineptitude and corruption.

Actually, right now, I think half the Northeast (maybe more) is on Brown's side regardless of Street and I think Brown will win here on election day.

Sure, you'll get more than half of Northeast Philadelphia's cops on your side.  Thing is the other unions.

Actually, I believe the Teamsters are backing Brown. Remember those Torsella people and the unions they were big with. They might work with Brown, too.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 19, 2004, 11:47:37 PM
Haven't seen the endorsement yet.  I'm sure that would be front and center on her website.  I've heard more Bard suppoerts backing Schwartz than Torsella backing Brown.  Wow, the Teamsters, one LABOR union backing Brown as opposed to Schwartz's 30+ plus NARAL which is big in Montco.  This is a battle, be more humble.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 20, 2004, 04:37:55 PM
Haven't seen the endorsement yet.  I'm sure that would be front and center on her website.  I've heard more Bard suppoerts backing Schwartz than Torsella backing Brown.  Wow, the Teamsters, one LABOR union backing Brown as opposed to Schwartz's 30+ plus NARAL which is big in Montco.  This is a battle, be more humble.  

You call the Teamster's just one labor union when they endorse your candidate yet you'd probably be bragging "They have GREAT GOTV efforts on election day!" if they endorsed Schwartz. Give me a break.

Many Bard supporters will be supporting Schwartz but I really do believe more Torsella supporters will back Brown. The NE Philly Dems pushed hard for Torsella, as you know, and I think a good amount of them are not thrilled with Schwartz as the nominee. Maybe that's why they have every Dem candidate running for office in their NE Headquarter's windows (Kerry-Edwards, Wagner for Aud. Gen., Casey for Treasurer, Stack for Senate, Kearney for State Rep, etc.) but no Schwartz sign.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 20, 2004, 08:00:05 PM
To Keystone only:

I'd like to congratulate you on your organization with regards to the debate.  Thing is Mark's a sophomore and Dave's a senior.  Not to be sore, but Denny O'Brien's Committeemen were there and I was ready lash at the retired cop.  IHMO, HE WAS AN @SSHOLE!  He had the nerve to tell him you shouldn't have been up there.  That was classless.  I didn't want to get into a sidebar with him because it was a debate between you guys.  I very well could have nailed both him and Kralle.  Just my two cents!  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 20, 2004, 11:40:44 PM
This is the thread that doesn't end
Yes it goes on and on my friend
Some people started arguing, not knowing what it was
And they'll continue arguing forever just because
This is the thread that doesn't end...

from Gabu


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 21, 2004, 01:47:40 PM
Oh Phil, I just thought I'd bring this up:

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/092104schwartz.htm

It seems as if Schwartz DOES care about the Northeast's quality of life AND thier economic well being and is not trying to be a divisive b!tch in the process.  I'm glad someone has class.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 21, 2004, 02:43:39 PM
Oh Phil, I just thought I'd bring this up:

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/092104schwartz.htm

It seems as if Schwartz DOES care about the Northeast's quality of life AND thier economic well being and is not trying to be a divisive b!tch in the process.  I'm glad someone has class.

Hmmmm how funny. Schwartz refuses to bring it up before, doesn't go door to door up here in the Northeast discussing this issue and now all of the sudden she comes out with a press release on the issue. Hmm I wonder why? Is it because she noticed Brown's comments on the issue from yesterday? Probably. I don't expect to hear anything else from Schwartz on this topic. She has no plan and if she ever did get to Congress, I bet she wouldn't even think of discussing the issue.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 21, 2004, 03:02:15 PM
To Keystone only:

I'd like to congratulate you on your organization with regards to the debate.  Thing is Mark's a sophomore and Dave's a senior.    

As I said before, Mark challenged Dave to the debate. That was his fault. He was also a coward by challenging him in the NE Times and backing down...twice. In the words of Mark "I'm not a great debator." He should have known that before he asked for a debate.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 22, 2004, 01:41:40 PM
I don't know about you, but i like Schwartz's idea of making landlord's accoutnable for poor maintenance.  They are profiting BIG off this program and there should eb some accountability there.  It seems as if Allyson has A PLAN for Section 8 that is more detailed and fairer than Melissa Brown's.  Hey, I know Mark slipped and yes I'll admit I felt like a huge dagger went through him when he said the thing about Section 8.  I of course didn't agree with him and I don't think Mark meant what he said either.  Mark knows as well as I do, it's an issue.  However, I don't feel it's a #1 issue for a Congressional election and I'll stick with it.  Other NE Philly residents feel the same way.  Melissa Brown's campaign is divisive rhetoric.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 22, 2004, 03:51:46 PM
However, I don't feel it's a #1 issue for a Congressional election and I'll stick with it.  Other NE Philly residents feel the same way.  Melissa Brown's campaign is divisive rhetoric.  

And how many NE Philly residents feel the same, IrishDem? This is the big issue up here. Like I said to Mark, you may disagree with Brown's position but don't ever say it's not important or not an issue.

Lastly, I know you're so happy about Schwartz putting out a plan about Section 8 but admit it, IrishDem...she put out the plan the day after Brown made a major announcement on the issue. Schwartz hasn't addressed the issue to the voters in the NE so she figures a press release is enough. Not the case. If you think a single voter will change their vote because of that press release, you have to be joking. You should know that if she ever got to Congress, she probably wouldn't dedicate a minute to this issue.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 23, 2004, 02:30:53 AM
As I have said before it is an issue.  I'll NEVER deny that.  One thing I am smart enough to do is take into account ALL of the issues before making a final decision and realizing this is an CONGESSIONAL election.  Jonathan Saidel and Joe Hoeffel have done enough on this issue.  They are both reasonable moderate Democrats.  I like them both.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 23, 2004, 02:40:37 AM
I must also add that Section 8 SHOULD be more more of an issue to me considering the part of the Northeast I came from.  It was FAR more of an issue where I grew up and the neighborhoods that fed into my high school (North Catholic) than it is yours, Dave's (TeenGOP), or Mark for that matter.  I have seen once great neighborhoods such as Kensington, Frankford, Northwood, Summerdale, Juniata, Olney, and Feltonville fall like dominoes because of it.  I'll strongly agree with you that the program is too attrative for landlords because they get above market rents and that shouldn't be.  These people should be held accoutnable for putting their old house up for Section 8 and jumping ship to Montgomery/Bucks County or South Jersey.  Melissa Brown wants to demonize the issue based on race, not landlord accountability and fair market rents.  Believe me, there are whites on the program that are ruining neighborhoods as well.  


Title: MICK VS. WOP
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 23, 2004, 01:26:05 PM
Hmm, shall this be our new name for this thread?  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 23, 2004, 04:40:35 PM
As I have said before it is an issue.  I'll NEVER deny that.  One thing I am smart enough to do is take into account ALL of the issues before making a final decision and realizing this is an CONGESSIONAL election.  Jonathan Saidel and Joe Hoeffel have done enough on this issue.  They are both reasonable moderate Democrats.  I like them both.

Sorry but a moratorium is not enough. What about the irresponsible tenants still causing trouble who are still on the program? Why do Dems refuse to answer this question?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 23, 2004, 04:46:57 PM
 Melissa Brown wants to demonize the issue based on race, not landlord accountability and fair market rents.  Believe me, there are whites on the program that are ruining neighborhoods as well.  

How many times must I respond to this? Seriously...how many times? Melissa Brown has stated numerous times to the voters this is NOT about race. She is saying to this to the voters. I'm so sick and tired of the Dems saying how she's using this as a race issue. You guys realize that you can't win on this issue so you have to pull this stuff. Ridiculous.  

Also, Brown and her supporters stress how this is not a matter of race by using the last line of your post: There are whites on the program ruining the neighborhoods, too. You obviously don't want to believe that point that she's making. No way could IrishDem admit he agrees with Brown!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 23, 2004, 06:32:37 PM
Hey IrishDem, that Libertarian guy running for Congress launched his site. He looks like he's taking himself way too seriously. They are actually including him in the debate hosted by the NE Times! They're also including McDermott which I find to be the biggest waste (not for the reason that he's more likely to take votes away from Brown than Schwartz, but because he's not serious at all. This is...what...his 8th time running for office? Maybe more?)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2004, 02:50:21 AM
Hey IrishDem, that Libertarian guy running for Congress launched his site. He looks like he's taking himself way too seriously. They are actually including him in the debate hosted by the NE Times! They're also including McDermott which I find to be the biggest waste (not for the reason that he's more likely to take votes away from Brown than Schwartz, but because he's not serious at all. This is...what...his 8th time running for office? Maybe more?)

Yeah, this McDermott character is our Nader in this race :)!  I think he ran for every possible office there was including this seat twice, mayor in 2003, and a few state races.  Someone I know met him on the EL and he said he has rotten teeth.  He actually called Brown and Schwartz "liberal twins.  You only need to bring one of them to a debate."    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2004, 12:19:37 PM
Poll: Schwartz has 11-point lead over Brown

By DAVE DAVIES

daviesd@phillynews.com


Democrat Allyson Schwartz holds a solid but not insurmountable 11-point lead over Republican Melissa Brown among likely voters in the 13th Congressional District, according the to the latest Daily News/CN8 Keystone poll.

The survey showed Schwartz with 45 percent, Brown with 34 percent and 21 percent undecided.

Schwartz's lead was slightly larger among registered voters at 45-32 percent, with 23 percent undecided.

"That's a fairly sizable lead for Schwartz," said G. Terry Madonna, who directs the poll at Franklin & Marshall College. "But there's a pretty sizable pool of undecided voters, so there's wiggle room. This isn't over yet."

Schwartz's name recognition may have benefited from her high-profile primary win over Joe Torsella in the Democratic primary.

Although Brown also had primary challengers, Schwartz spent heavily on broadcast television ads, raising her profile within the city-suburban district.

The 13th District is split fairly evenly between Montgomery County and Northeast Philadelphia. The Keystone poll found Schwartz with a 42-36 percent lead in largely Republican Montgomery County and a commanding 51-27 percent lead in the city among registered voters.

The poll found Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry leading President Bush in the district, 52 to 39 percent, even though Bush has pulled even or better with Kerry in most statewide polls. The district went to Democrat Al Gore in 2000.

Madonna said Kerry has improved his showing in the Philadelphia suburbs, but that was offset by even better-than-usual numbers for Bush in the conservative parts of the state.

The poll also found that U.S. Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., leads Democratic U.S. Rep. Joe Hoeffel in the 13th, which is Hoeffel's home district.

The survey found Specter with 48 percent, Hoeffel 39 percent, Constitution Party candidate Jim Clymer 2 percent and 11 percent undecided.

A Keystone Poll conducted last week found Specter with a 51-25 percent lead statewide.

The 13th District survey of 400 adults, conducted Sept. 16-21, has a margin of error of 4.9 percent.

End of Article

Wow, Keystone!  I thought it was going to be MUCH tighter.  A Commanding 51-27 lead in the city??? I never thought I'd be seeing that considering Melissa Brown is SO great on Section 8.  Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.   Kerry even has an even more commanding lead over Bush districtwide so I think the undecieds will break for Schwartz.  Now, do you guys still have a chance.. ABSOLUTELY.  I think it's make or break on the debates between Kerry and Bush.  If Kerry wins.. Start worrying about PA-8!  I'd go up to Bucks if I were you to volunteer for Fitzy.  If Bush wins (somehow I doubt it).. PA-13 will tighten.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 01:01:07 PM
Hey IrishDem, that Libertarian guy running for Congress launched his site. He looks like he's taking himself way too seriously. They are actually including him in the debate hosted by the NE Times! They're also including McDermott which I find to be the biggest waste (not for the reason that he's more likely to take votes away from Brown than Schwartz, but because he's not serious at all. This is...what...his 8th time running for office? Maybe more?)

Yeah, this McDermott character is our Nader in this race :)!  I think he ran for every possible office there was including this seat twice, mayor in 2003, and a few state races.  Someone I know met him on the EL and he said he has rotten teeth.  He actually called Brown and Schwartz "liberal twins.  You only need to bring one of them to a debate."    

McDermott was kicked off the 2003 ballot. Some of the signatures he collected included "Long John Silver" and "Russ T. Bedspread." And no, that's not a joke.

For him to call Brown and Schwartz liberal twins is pretty foolish. He obviously doesn't know where Brown stands on the issues and is running for the sake of getting attention. Like you said, this guy has run for almost every office. He is a joke.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 01:02:38 PM
Poll: Schwartz has 11-point lead over Brown


Wow, Keystone!  I thought it was going to be MUCH tighter.  A Commanding 51-27 lead in the city??? I never thought I'd be seeing that considering Melissa Brown is SO great on Section 8.  Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.   Kerry even has an even more commanding lead over Bush districtwide so I think the undecieds will break for Schwartz.  Now, do you guys still have a chance.. ABSOLUTELY.  I think it's make or break on the debates between Kerry and Bush.  If Kerry wins.. Start worrying about PA-8!  I'd go up to Bucks if I were you to volunteer for Fitzy.  If Bush wins (somehow I doubt it).. PA-13 will tighten.

This isn't even worthy of a response. I mean come on, IrishDem. You and I both know Schwartz doesn't have an 11 point lead. If she is leading, it by 4 or 5 points AT THE MOST. Terrible poll.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 01:04:32 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2004, 01:34:42 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.

Do you know what the word "RELATIVELY" means?  If not look it up in the dictionary.  I know more people support Schwartz's positions on the economy more so than Melissa Brown's.  Melissa Brown is using Section 8 as a political football to stir up votes she could never get.  The right wing media does this very well.  Someone back in 2000 took a poll on specific issues and it was found that issue to issue, Gore would have won by 20 points.  The smear attacks, single-issue (abortion) and the "likeabilty" crap propelled Bush to victory.  The neo-cons have been planning this for years under Clinton.  Melissa Brown is no different.  She is spooking us into voting for her via Section 8.  I don't mean to bring up the KKK analogy, but the KKK was basically a tool rich, Southern whites used to get poor whites oin their side.  Same concept applies to Dust Bowl migrants that emigrated from the Plains to California in the 1930s.  Wealthy growers stirred up racial hatred and had the white "Okies and Arkies" thinking the Mexicans and blacks were the cause of their misery.  Same concept applies to Northeast Philadelphia and Melissa Brown on a more subtle, tactful scale.    


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 01:39:12 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.

Do you know what the word "RELATIVELY" means?  If not look it up in the dictionary.  I know more people support Schwartz's positions on the economy more so than Melissa Brown's.  Melissa Brown is using Section 8 as a political football to stir up votes she could never get.  The right wing media does this very well.  Someone back in 2000 took a poll on specific issues and it was found that issue to issue, Gore would have won by 20 points.  The smear attacks, single-issue (abortion) and the "likeabilty" crap propelled Bush to victory.  The neo-cons have been planning this for years under Clinton.  Melissa Brown is no different.  She is spooking us into voting for her via Section 8.  I don't mean to bring up the KKK analogy, but the KKK was basically a tool rich, Southern whites used to get poor whites oin their side.  Same concept applies to Dust Bowl migrants that emigrated from the Plains to California in the 1930s.  Wealthy growers stirred up racial hatred and had the white "Okies and Arkies" thinking the Mexicans and blacks were the cause of their misery.  Same concept applies to Northeast Philadelphia and Melissa Brown on a more subtle, tactful scale.    

Let me ask you this, and I know you don't like to answer questions directly...it's obviously very difficult for you but I'll try it anyway...

Would you go door to door for Allyson Schwartz's campaign for Congress and tell a Northeast Philadelphia voter that the Section 8 issue is "petty BS?"

YOU might think it's petty BS but don't say "the people" think it's petty.

Another question: Do you honestly believe Allyson Schwartz is up 11 points in this race?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 01:44:41 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.

 She is spooking us into voting for her via Section 8.  

How is she spooking you? Oh are you going to pull the "she's playing the race card" line again? I bet you are so I'll give the response I have been giving for the past three months: Melissa Brown has told these voters on numerous occassions that Section 8 is not based on race. I'm so tired of listening to people like you telling voters that she's running a "racist campaign" when she has stated her position over and over again. Give it up.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2004, 04:54:21 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.

Do you know what the word "RELATIVELY" means?  If not look it up in the dictionary.  I know more people support Schwartz's positions on the economy more so than Melissa Brown's.  Melissa Brown is using Section 8 as a political football to stir up votes she could never get.  The right wing media does this very well.  Someone back in 2000 took a poll on specific issues and it was found that issue to issue, Gore would have won by 20 points.  The smear attacks, single-issue (abortion) and the "likeabilty" crap propelled Bush to victory.  The neo-cons have been planning this for years under Clinton.  Melissa Brown is no different.  She is spooking us into voting for her via Section 8.  I don't mean to bring up the KKK analogy, but the KKK was basically a tool rich, Southern whites used to get poor whites oin their side.  Same concept applies to Dust Bowl migrants that emigrated from the Plains to California in the 1930s.  Wealthy growers stirred up racial hatred and had the white "Okies and Arkies" thinking the Mexicans and blacks were the cause of their misery.  Same concept applies to Northeast Philadelphia and Melissa Brown on a more subtle, tactful scale.    

Let me ask you this, and I know you don't like to answer questions directly...it's obviously very difficult for you but I'll try it anyway...

Would you go door to door for Allyson Schwartz's campaign for Congress and tell a Northeast Philadelphia voter that the Section 8 issue is "petty BS?"

YOU might think it's petty BS but don't say "the people" think it's petty.

Another question: Do you honestly believe Allyson Schwartz is up 11 points in this race?

You know where I stand on Section 8.  I would go door-to-door and say things like "I support Allyson Schwartz because I think her vote is in mine and your best interests" or "Allyson Schwartz is an accomplished legislator who founded Pennsylvanian's CHIP program as opposed to Melissa Brown who has never held political office and has lost 4 times.  All she can do is criticize.  I feel Allyson knows how to get thigns done."  If asked about Section 8 I would say "Allyson supports a mortatorium until the program is fixed, supports booting criminal tenantsm, and making absentee landlords  more accountable.  I too support these positions.  The differenmce between Ms. Schwartz and Ms. Brown is Ms. Brown would give another rubber stamp for the failed Bush-Cheney agenda, which I oppose."  I would be more specific if asked.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 07:59:06 PM
 Yeah dude, people are more worried about their wallets and their futures than some petty BS.  

Petty BS? Do you volunteer for Schwartz? If you don't, please sign up and go door to door and say that it's petty BS. Then I'll thank you for assuring a Brown victory.

Do you know what the word "RELATIVELY" means?  If not look it up in the dictionary.  I know more people support Schwartz's positions on the economy more so than Melissa Brown's.  Melissa Brown is using Section 8 as a political football to stir up votes she could never get.  The right wing media does this very well.  Someone back in 2000 took a poll on specific issues and it was found that issue to issue, Gore would have won by 20 points.  The smear attacks, single-issue (abortion) and the "likeabilty" crap propelled Bush to victory.  The neo-cons have been planning this for years under Clinton.  Melissa Brown is no different.  She is spooking us into voting for her via Section 8.  I don't mean to bring up the KKK analogy, but the KKK was basically a tool rich, Southern whites used to get poor whites oin their side.  Same concept applies to Dust Bowl migrants that emigrated from the Plains to California in the 1930s.  Wealthy growers stirred up racial hatred and had the white "Okies and Arkies" thinking the Mexicans and blacks were the cause of their misery.  Same concept applies to Northeast Philadelphia and Melissa Brown on a more subtle, tactful scale.    

Let me ask you this, and I know you don't like to answer questions directly...it's obviously very difficult for you but I'll try it anyway...

Would you go door to door for Allyson Schwartz's campaign for Congress and tell a Northeast Philadelphia voter that the Section 8 issue is "petty BS?"

YOU might think it's petty BS but don't say "the people" think it's petty.

Another question: Do you honestly believe Allyson Schwartz is up 11 points in this race?

You know where I stand on Section 8.  I would go door-to-door and say things like "I support Allyson Schwartz because I think her vote is in mine and your best interests" or "Allyson Schwartz is an accomplished legislator who founded Pennsylvanian's CHIP program as opposed to Melissa Brown who has never held political office and has lost 4 times.  All she can do is criticize.  I feel Allyson knows how to get thigns done."  If asked about Section 8 I would say "Allyson supports a mortatorium until the program is fixed, supports booting criminal tenantsm, and making absentee landlords  more accountable.  I too support these positions.  The differenmce between Ms. Schwartz and Ms. Brown is Ms. Brown would give another rubber stamp for the failed Bush-Cheney agenda, which I oppose."  I would be more specific if asked.  

First off, Melissa Brown is no rubber stamp. Yes she supports the Bush tax cuts and other Bush policies but she is no rubber stamp. Secondly, you and I both know if Schwartz got elected to Congress she wouldn't spend a minute on Section 8 reform. You want to believe that she would but in reality the only reason she put out that press release was to make it seem like she was concerned about this issue. Voters will see right through it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2004, 08:05:44 PM
The only thing I'm seeing through is Melissa Brown's BS.  There is a lot of it.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2004, 08:08:08 PM
The only thing I'm seeing through is Melissa Brown's BS.  There is a lot of it.

Right...And what "BS" is that exactly?

(I'll probably have to answer this question about six more times since you can't answer a direct question. Another reason is that you make up a lot of this so I guess I can understand why you can't answer.)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2004, 01:47:57 AM
The only thing I'm seeing through is Melissa Brown's BS.  There is a lot of it.

Right...And what "BS" is that exactly?

(I'll probably have to answer this question about six more times since you can't answer a direct question. Another reason is that you make up a lot of this so I guess I can understand why you can't answer.)

Her whole campaign is a huge smokescreen to get working white voters in Northeast Philadelphia to stop worrying about their jobs and how they are going to pay their kids college and focuses on Section 8.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 26, 2004, 06:58:36 AM
The only thing I'm seeing through is Melissa Brown's BS.  There is a lot of it.

Right...And what "BS" is that exactly?

(I'll probably have to answer this question about six more times since you can't answer a direct question. Another reason is that you make up a lot of this so I guess I can understand why you can't answer.)

Her whole campaign is a huge smokescreen to get working white voters in Northeast Philadelphia to stop worrying about their jobs and how they are going to pay their kids college and focuses on Section 8.

 Are you trying to tell me this hasn't already been a concern for voters in these areas and that they haven't been worrying about this already? People are already focused on this issue. Learn alittle more about the people around here.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2004, 11:11:27 AM
For about the 1000th I know it's a concern.  There are others however.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 26, 2004, 12:44:20 PM
For about the 1000th I know it's a concern.  There are others however.

I know there are other concerns and Brown is addressing them. Stop acting like Brown is only talking about Section 8.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2004, 01:29:35 PM
For about the 1000th I know it's a concern.  There are others however.

I know there are other concerns and Brown is addressing them. Stop acting like Brown is only talking about Section 8.

I know her other issues and I don't agree with her stances on them.  I know a lot of NE Phialdelphians agree on parts and disagree on others.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 26, 2004, 01:34:47 PM
For about the 1000th I know it's a concern.  There are others however.

I know there are other concerns and Brown is addressing them. Stop acting like Brown is only talking about Section 8.

I know her other issues and I don't agree with her stances on them.  

I know that but that's not the point. Often I hear that Brown's only issue is Section 8. Not true, not true at all.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2004, 01:35:44 PM
Section 8 IS her catalyst for winning Northeast Philadelphia and you know it!


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 26, 2004, 01:37:04 PM
Section 8 IS her catalyst for winning Northeast Philadelphia and you know it!

It's the big issue here, IrishDem and you know it! But that doesn't mean it's her only issue.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2004, 03:21:25 PM
Section 8 IS her catalyst for winning Northeast Philadelphia and you know it!

It's the big issue here, IrishDem and you know it! But that doesn't mean it's her only issue.

It's a big issue, but I've heard people say they agree with Schwartz more on other issues as do I.  However, I don't feel the Dems have been asleep at the wheel on it either.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: J. J. on September 27, 2004, 09:59:42 PM
Remind me to apply for Section 8 Housing and move into Northeast Philadelphia.  :-)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 28, 2004, 01:24:34 AM
Remind me to apply for Section 8 Housing and move into Northeast Philadelphia.  :-)

I don't know if KeystonePhil would like that.  And with Melissa Brown in office, you may be on the Street.


Title: Melissa Brown on Health Care
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 28, 2004, 01:26:03 AM
Here's a little bedtime reading:

Come Clean Melissa Brown:

 

Unseal the Fraud and Conspiracy Settlement Records of Your Health Insurance Company

 

 

PHILADELPHIA – Earlier today, Ken Morley, Schwartz for Congress campaign manager, demanded that Melissa Brown come clean to the voters of Northeast Philadelphia and Montgomery County and disclose the sealed settlement records in the suit brought against her failed health insurance company for fraud and conspiracy.

 

“Melissa Brown must unseal the closed settlement records. The voters have a right to know how much Brown’s fraudulent healthcare company cost Pennsylvanians,” said Morley.

 

In 1995 Melissa Brown and other doctors founded the Pennsylvania Physician Healthcare Plan (PPHP). A mere four years later, in the fall of 1999, the health insurance company failed, resulting in over 2,450 people - many of them patients and doctors - being left with over $5 million in unpaid bills.  

 

According to a 2000 Physician’s News Digest news article, “Not withstanding their contractual obligation to do so, some participating physicians of Physicians Care began denying treatment [to patients] (most likely out of fear of non-payment for the treatment) almost immediately after the Commonwealth Court’s Order to liquidate Physician’s Care.”

 

“Patients were actually denied treatment from their doctors. How many people couldn’t get the healthcare they needed - after paying Brown's company for insurance - because of the company’s failure?  We won't know until Brown comes clean,” said Morley.

 

Under Governor Ridge's administration, the Pennsylvania Department of Insurance took over the failed company in the fall of 1999. In January 2000 the Insurance Department, headed by Republican-appointed Diane Koken, filed a lawsuit alleging that company officials fraudulently removed approximately $614,000 from the financially strapped plan to help pay lavish executive severance packages – and then conspired to hide their actions.

 

Thirteen of the executives and board directors named in the suit have made substantial political contributions to support Brown in her failed campaigns for Congress.

 

"Patient healthcare bills went unpaid while board members and executives got big payouts, and then those same executives make big contributions back to Melissa Brown.  How can you trust a candidate who saw nothing wrong with putting $2 million of her money into her political campaigns, while she left thousands of patients and doctors with over $5 million in bills?” asked Morley.

 

Charges brought against Melissa Brown’s company by the Commonwealth included conspiracy and fraud. The case was settled in March of 2003, with the records of the closed settlement sealed. According to the Pennsylvania Insurance Department, the records of the case are "shrink-wrapped, packaged, and headed for destruction."

 

“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree. The choice is this election is crystal clear. You can vote for a candidate who has been called a national leader on healthcare. A candidate who has stood up to the big insurance companies. Or you can vote for a candidate who founded an insurance company that was sued by Pennsylvania for fraud and conspiracy and left thousands of patients holding the bill, ” said Morley.


Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 28, 2004, 03:19:12 PM
Remind me to apply for Section 8 Housing and move into Northeast Philadelphia.  :-)

I don't know if KeystonePhil would like that.  And with Melissa Brown in office, you may be on the Street.

Well you know that stuff is false and you're really beginning to get on my nerves about it. Let me make it clear to you since you obviously don't know what you're talking about. Melissa Brown does not want to eliminate Section 8. I know you Dems want to use that but it's false. And how do you explain this quote regarding Section 8 from everyone's favorite do nothing State Senator Mike Stack, "If it were up to me, I'd outlaw it."


Title: Re:Melissa Brown on Health Care
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 28, 2004, 03:20:38 PM
“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree.

Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?


It isn't her only issue and you're post just proved that. If the Schwartz campaign can admit that she's focusing on other issues, why can't you?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: J. J. on September 28, 2004, 05:17:07 PM
Sorry I trolled this, but I couldn't resist.  I know very few people in my neighborhood who want a crack addict or armed robber to move in next door.


Title: Re:Melissa Brown on Health Care
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 29, 2004, 01:03:35 AM
“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree.

Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?


It isn't her only issue and you're post just proved that. If the Schwartz campaign can admit that she's focusing on other issues, why can't you?

Hmm, we are avoiding the insurance company issue and fraud aren't we Keystone.  The fact is Melissa Brown should have her records made public.  You would vote for this woman if she cut your health insurance wouldn't you?


Title: Re:Melissa Brown on Health Care
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 29, 2004, 03:01:23 PM
“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree.

Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?


It isn't her only issue and you're post just proved that. If the Schwartz campaign can admit that she's focusing on other issues, why can't you?

Hmm, we are avoiding the insurance company issue and fraud aren't we Keystone.  The fact is Melissa Brown should have her records made public.  You would vote for this woman if she cut your health insurance wouldn't you?

Well I'll be honest and say I don't know much about the situation involving her insurance company. I love how the Schwartz people demand this info but they haven't made much of Schwartz's record public. Funny, isn't it?

And then you want to talk about avoiding the issue, right? Well you happened to ignore my post about what Stack said concerning Section 8 ("If it were up to me, I'd outlaw it." - Stack. Though in reality, he'd never do that or ever work for reform.) How come that isn't racist, IrishDem? Brown, in your opinion, is using racist campaign tactics when she calls for REFORM but when the Dem makes a statement about OUTLAWING the program, that's ok, right?


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 29, 2004, 03:57:09 PM
Another thing, IrishDem....if Schwartz wants to play the "release your records" game, so can Brown....

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/092804brown.htm (http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/092804brown.htm)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 01:11:55 PM
Here's some of Schwartz's record...

http://www.radicalallyson.com/index.htm (http://www.radicalallyson.com/index.htm)



Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 01, 2004, 01:40:15 PM
I knew you were goning to pull that up.  Yeah I saw it.  Gotta love that darkened face of Allyson Schwartz.  Can't do nothing else, so you guys have to resort to painting Schwartz as a witchy liberal.  The fact is Melissa Brown robbed people of $5 MILLION.  Plus the fact she tried the whoel Al Sharpton/John Street thing to destroy Hoeffel.  How low can you guys go.  In your case you just deny the fact Melissa Brown is truly full of it when it comes to Section 8 and medicine.

I don't know about you, but people are starting to think this whole Nancy Pelosi/John Street/Al Sharpton tying to is getting sickening.  Gee how come we come up with the Santorum/Toomey/Hastert/DeLay/Bush/Cheney/Enron economics (health care company in Brown's case.. same concept).  The first of the 3 are outright anti-worker, anti-middle class and have endorsed Melissa Brown.  Last 4 are outright crooks.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 01:50:06 PM
I knew you were goning to pull that up.  Yeah I saw it.  Gotta love that darkened face of Allyson Schwartz.  Can't do nothing else, so you guys have to resort to painting Schwartz as a witchy liberal.

Oh stop whining. Have you seen all the negative lit Schwartz has been giving out with the "Brown is a nasty campaigner" stuff that she can't back up? Seen that yet?  

And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)

Finally, you want to talk about Brown's health care company but once stuff comes up about Schwartz's center it's like you act like a five year old and close your ears. Give me a break.

Oh and the Dem line of "anti-middle class" is getting old, too. People aren't buying it, IrishDem.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: PBrunsel on October 01, 2004, 07:10:48 PM
I love this thread. :)


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on October 01, 2004, 09:08:52 PM

I don't even understand what they are talking about.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 09:09:55 PM

Well I'm sorry to hear that people on the forum don't like to see discussion about one of the most competitive House races in the nation. Sure, at times it get's alittle out of hand but our arguments shows how strongly we believe in our candidate (and our disagreements with the opposition).


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 09:10:47 PM

A very competitive U.S. House race here in southeastern Pennsylvania between Republican candidate Melissa Brown and Democratic candidate Allyson Schwartz.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 09:32:40 PM

Eh, ok. Maybe it's not for you. But I know IrishDem and myself like having an exciting race around here.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 01, 2004, 09:36:41 PM


And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)



The thing is knuclehead, Melissa Brown and Sam Mirarchi are acting like it's a #1 issue.  Please, there are other issues to be concerned with.  Oh and I love this idea that something will be magically different if they are elected.  You guys have a Republican White House and both Houses of Congress and you're still whining?  Why?  Both Dems and Reps are doing things to curb Section 8 housing.  It should hardly be an issue in Mirachi's or Borwn's campaing.  It should hold no water in these elections rather, the city ones.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2004, 09:45:28 PM


And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)



The thing is knuclehead, Melissa Brown and Sam Mirarchi are acting like it's a #1 issue.

Ah...so I guess this is the line you'll use more frequently when you're wrong? Answer the question, IrishDem: Was Stack's comments on Section 8 "racist?" If they weren't stop saying that Brown's attempts to REFORM THE SYSTEM are based on race.

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Both Dems and Reps are doing things to curb Section 8 housing.

There's no representation from this city doing anything about it and guess what, IrishDem? This is where the problem is!

And, yes, something will be different if they are elected. The difference will be that Northeast Philadelphia will have real leaders on the issue. Do you honestly believe Stack will ever work on Section 8 reform? And Hoeffel...you talk about how he worked for the moratorium (which Brown pressured him to do) but there's still a lot more that can, and will, be done.

And what do you mean this should hardly be an issue in Brown's campaign? It's a federally funded program! Of course it should be an issue.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2004, 02:27:40 PM
This reminds me of the thread re: the Quayle-Bentsen debate. It just keeps going in circles with the same "facts" constantly being brought up. Boring. I only looked at it because PBrunsel visited.

Sorry were boring you.  There is just too much air we have to get out and what a perfect spot for it on this thread.  Me and my opponent here are providing a service to this Forum by giving outsiders a lot of informative facts about Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional District.  Do you not like the fact that there are two locals of both parties are discussing a hotly contested Congressional race?  As Tip O'Neill said "All politics are local."  I know some of you guys on the outside are getting pissed, but this is a pinnacle example of what politics is about.  I strongly encourage outside input here for this district is like a microcosm of America.  It is very diverse ethnically, religiously, and socioeconomically.  I wish there were other races that could be so highly talked about as ours.  Please do not feel left out of this discussion just ebcause you are not from the district, Philadelphia, or Southeastern Pennsylvania for that matter.  

Sincerely,
Senator IrishDemocrat


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: © tweed on October 02, 2004, 02:45:08 PM

A very competitive U.S. House race here in southeastern Pennsylvania between Republican candidate Melissa Brown and Democratic candidate Allyson Schwartz.

I know that much, but I mean the secondary names and the issues within the issue are confusing.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2004, 04:28:24 PM
That CAN'T be the only issue. Nearly every post on this thread discusses it.

Well it's not the only issue but it is a major issue here in Northeast Philadelphia.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2004, 04:44:34 PM
This reminds me of the thread re: the Quayle-Bentsen debate. It just keeps going in circles with the same "facts" constantly being brought up. Boring. I only looked at it because PBrunsel visited.

Sorry were boring you.  There is just too much air we have to get out and what a perfect spot for it on this thread.  Me and my opponent here are providing a service to this Forum by giving outsiders a lot of informative facts about Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional District.  Do you not like the fact that there are two locals of both parties are discussing a hotly contested Congressional race?  As Tip O'Neill said "All politics are local."  I know some of you guys on the outside are getting pissed, but this is a pinnacle example of what politics is about.  I strongly encourage outside input here for this district is like a microcosm of America.  It is very diverse ethnically, religiously, and socioeconomically.  I wish there were other races that could be so highly talked about as ours.  Please do not feel left out of this discussion just ebcause you are not from the district, Philadelphia, or Southeastern Pennsylvania for that matter.  

Sincerely,
Senator IrishDemocrat

I'm not going to say this often but I have to admit....that was a great post. I'm tired of forum members getting mad that we debate the race and the issues. It obviously annoys them since they don't have a competitive race to discuss.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2004, 05:32:03 PM
Very well said, IrishDemocrat. Very well said indeed. My only comment is please let's drop Section 8. That CAN'T be the only issue. Nearly every post on this thread discusses it.

I wish it could be dropped New Federalist.  I would MUCH rather discuss other issues, but unfortunately many of my neighbors feel it is an important issue and in some case feel it is a #1 issue.  I feel they are wrong for deeming it so high, but I can't really blame them in thinking it's an issue.  In many of my posts, the points I have been bringining up were health care, jobs, education, and PROPER tax cuts should take a much higher precedence to Section 8.  Granted Sectiopn 8 housing and its abuses IS AN ISSUE here, but it should hold little bearing for this or any Congressional race.  I feel some of the abuses of Section 8 can best be taken care of via L&I or the Philadelphia Housing Authority.  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2004, 08:27:55 PM
Once I saw those first couple of words (Slightly off topic) I skipped right over your post. No, not because what you're saying doesn't concern PA 13 :P It's because I haven't seen the debate yet. I had the opportunity to watch the last couple of minutes and then watch the full thing later tonight but I'd like to see it in full and then voice my opinion. Needless to say, since I dislike both Specter and Hoeffel, I'll be laughing a lot when I watch it later.


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2004, 09:46:27 PM
I saw the first part of it and got disgusted.  I like Hoeffel, but too much time was given to the 3rd parties.  I couldn't stand listening to these crackpots speak especially Summers and Clymer.  It's time Specter goes.  I would much rather have a Democrat that believes in being such as opposed to that fossilized RINO Arlen Specter who supposedly has "clout".  Why would the GOP give him power?  


Title: Re:PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2004, 11:23:49 PM
This debate is just too sad. It's probably the worst debate I have ever watched. Let's see...we have Betsy Summers who keeps pausing every five seconds, Specter and Hoeffel keep going back and forth with this "You're a liar... No you're a liar.... NO YOU'RE a liar." Clymer...at times I just don't understand what he's saying. NewFederalist was right when he said the speaking skills of these candidates was not impressive at all. It's just embarrassing.

This just in: Betsy Summers says Specter seems to be ignoring here and asks "I am on camera, right?" with alittle laugh. What a joke.

Sure Clymer and Summers will get around 6% of the vote (combined) in the General election but after seeing their performance tonight, I don't think they should participate in the remaining debates.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 03, 2004, 01:25:35 PM
Yes Keystone I have to agree with you.  Betsy Summers was a joke.  She was outright laughable. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 03, 2004, 01:28:02 PM
Yes Keystone I have to agree with you.  Betsy Summers was a joke.  She was outright laughable. 

Ok all this agreeing with each other is making me sick! Back to PA13!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 03, 2004, 02:00:25 PM
I wish we could go back to our dueling, but there isn't much to duel on yet.  We just gotta wait for some polls, news, or press releases.  Maybe I should create another dueling thread.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 03, 2004, 02:01:43 PM
I wish we could go back to our dueling, but there isn't much to duel on yet.  We just gotta wait for some polls, news, or press releases.  Maybe I should create another dueling thread.

We'll be able to argue about this Thursday's upcoming debate. Don't worry :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 03, 2004, 02:07:00 PM
I wish we could go back to our dueling, but there isn't much to duel on yet.  We just gotta wait for some polls, news, or press releases.  Maybe I should create another dueling thread.

We'll be able to argue about this Thursday's upcoming debate. Don't worry :)

I know. :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 07, 2004, 09:53:52 PM
I went to the Brown-Schwartz debate tonight. Brown did great. Schwartz totally ignored some of the questions. Hopefully C-Span will show it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 08, 2004, 01:20:20 AM
Haven't seen it.  I'll give you my opinion after I see it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 09, 2004, 12:00:47 AM
Yo Pat sorry I didnt get to chat with you on here I am just too tired. Hopefully I will see you tomorrow CANVASSING. PS tell people about the website.



www.teenagedemocrats.com

Thanks
Mark


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 01:13:01 AM
No problem Mark.  Hey welcome back.  Phil needs more company on here besides me :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: scottocracy on October 09, 2004, 01:54:02 AM
Well, first off, Schwartz will win.  I trust that the average 13th district citizen is intelligent enough to know that there is more to our health care crisis than trial lawyers.  The Pharmaceutical Companies and Insurance Companies that are in her pockets are far more dangerous to the delivery of good medicine.

In any case, I have a loaded question for Keystone Phil:

-Why do you support Brown if you are so pro-Santoomey?  ;-)  Isn't Brown the epitome of what wacko-Christian Republicans see as wrong with the direction of the party?  I of course personally applaud Borwn for not being a right-wing extremist, but being a right wing extremist yourself, why aren't you anti-Brown and pro-McDermott?
-During the primaries, Santorum supported Specter, and so did Bush.  In addition, John Perzel and other self-described "pro-life democrats" supported Brown.  In fact, Santorum once said, Specter supports us on "the issues that matter."  So do you really believe that any of these people are actually pro-life???  Come on now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 02:02:58 AM
Welcome to the Forum Scott.  It's funny KeystonePhil is now going to have even more smarter people to deal with until November 2nd.  I'm glad someone from the district can see though Melissa Brown's BS.  You also seem to be addressing more issues here than just Section 8.  Melissa Brown can not win otherwise, but it should be a close race.  Demoteen04 is also a Teenage Democrat from Northeast Philadelphia who agrees with me and semingly agrees with you from what it appears as well.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: scottocracy on October 09, 2004, 02:34:05 AM
To be fair to the conservative people, let me ask this-
What issues make you a conservative?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 09, 2004, 02:03:06 PM
This is how I feel I have been watching this campaign and I find Melissa Brown to get sleazier and sleazier as the campaign goes on. She knows shes going to lose therefore she is becoming bitter. Melissa dont be so bitter because the constituents of PA 13 don't care about the section 8 bull crap that you have used for years to get your name out there. There is one word to use when it comes to melissa brown which I will not enclose but a better one would be SLEAZE. Ally Schwartz for congress making our neighborhoods better.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 02:26:05 PM
This is how I feel I have been watching this campaign and I find Melissa Brown to get sleazier and sleazier as the campaign goes on. She knows shes going to lose therefore she is becoming bitter. Melissa dont be so bitter because the constituents of PA 13 don't care about the section 8 bull crap that you have used for years to get your name out there. There is one word to use when it comes to melissa brown which I will not enclose but a better one would be SLEAZE. Ally Schwartz for congress making our neighborhoods better.

Well said.  Glad you guys are in here!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 08:41:34 PM
Well, first off, Schwartz will win.  I trust that the average 13th district citizen is intelligent enough to know that there is more to our health care crisis than trial lawyers.  The Pharmaceutical Companies and Insurance Companies that are in her pockets are far more dangerous to the delivery of good medicine.

In any case, I have a loaded question for Keystone Phil:

-Why do you support Brown if you are so pro-Santoomey?  ;-)  Isn't Brown the epitome of what wacko-Christian Republicans see as wrong with the direction of the party?  I of course personally applaud Borwn for not being a right-wing extremist, but being a right wing extremist yourself, why aren't you anti-Brown and pro-McDermott?
-During the primaries, Santorum supported Specter, and so did Bush.  In addition, John Perzel and other self-described "pro-life democrats" supported Brown.  In fact, Santorum once said, Specter supports us on "the issues that matter."  So do you really believe that any of these people are actually pro-life???  Come on now.

1) I support Brown because while she isn't exactly a Toomey-Santorum Republican, she is pretty conservative and she is focuses on key issues to NE voters. McDermott is an absolute joke and pretty far right while I am a common sense conservative. If you want to try to make me seem like a far right winger, have fun. Ask others how successful they've been in that area.

2) You are probably the only person to ask if Santorum and Bush are really pro-life. Did I agree with their endorsement of Specter? No. But I'm not going to agree with everything they do. Pro Lifers endorsed Brown for Congress because on the abortion issue while she is pro abortion rights, she is against federal funding and partial birth abortions.

Now Demotroll wants to say Brown is "sleazy" yet just like Schwartz, he can't prove a thing from this campaign that she has done. Schwartz on the other hand has gone negative and can't back up her claims.

Demotroll also states that people around here don't care about Section 8. Well excuse me while I laugh for a minute.

Now Scott the reason I am a conservative is because I am pro life, pro tax cuts, pro school vouchers and more local control of our schools, and a big supporter of tort reform. Those are the main reasons why I consider myself a conservative. Of course there is more but those are the basics.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 08:44:19 PM
You got even more friends in here Phil. :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 08:45:19 PM

As I stated in my previous post, I noticed the newest misguided Dem from PA13 :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 08:47:49 PM
Scott is a very intelligent Democrat from PA-13.  WATCH OUT PHIL!!!!  You got more company!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 08:52:09 PM
Scott is a very intelligent Democrat from PA-13.  WATCH OUT PHIL!!!!  You got more company!

As long as he doesn't pull some of the semi-trollish stuff that you pull and as long as he can attempt to back things up, I have no problem. Oh yeah, I'm still waiting for your explanation of the Stack quote.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 08:57:23 PM
You call anyone that disagrees with you a troll.  How come Phil?  I wasn't going to say this, but you quote called me "A 5 year old in a 32 year old's body."  You also took my defacation of Melissa Brown and whined about it to a teacher.  That should be stuff for this Forum, not Show and Tell.  There has to be some humor in here.  How is that trollish?  You get angry at Demoteen for personal attacks yet you're doing it to me and you barely know me.  It's sad that people like you have a vote in 2 years.  I hope you mature by then.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 09:01:51 PM
As for the Stack quote he did not subtly tie it to race like Melissa Brown has.  Do I have to rehash 2002 with Al Sharpton and the John Street mailings?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:02:47 PM
You call anyone that disagrees with you a troll.  How come Phil?

Wrong. I call people trolls (like Mark) because he acts like one. Most of his posts were filled with personal attacks. He's a troll. 


 
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You get angry at Demoteen for personal attacks yet you're doing it to me and you barely know me.

How many times was I forced to say "you hardly know me" to your posts? How many times? You want to play that game, IrishDemn, that's fine with me. But if you want to dish it out, be ready to take it.

 
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It's sad that people like you have a vote in 2 years.  I hope you mature by then.

I need maturing? You call people names like "Melissa Brownshirt" and say she's running a campaign to make white people afraid of Section yet you run away like a child from Stack's quote on Section 8...and I need the maturing? Please.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:03:38 PM
As for the Stack quote he did not subtly tie it to race like Melissa Brown has.  Do I have to rehash 2002 with Al Sharpton and the John Street mailings?

So there's a double standard here, correct? Stack saying he would eliminate it isn't racist yet Brown's calls for reforms are racist?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 09:08:08 PM
As for the Stack quote he did not subtly tie it to race like Melissa Brown has.  Do I have to rehash 2002 with Al Sharpton and the John Street mailings?

So there's a double standard here, correct? Stack saying he would eliminate it isn't racist yet Brown's calls for reforms are racist?

The problem with you is you repeat things over and over again.  What about the Stack quote?  What about the Stack quote?  Will anything I say be answered to your satisfaction?  I did not run away from it.  Did you read my last question about the Sharpton/Street ads?  Apparently not because you know you have to runa way from it. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:19:41 PM
As for the Stack quote he did not subtly tie it to race like Melissa Brown has.  Do I have to rehash 2002 with Al Sharpton and the John Street mailings?

So there's a double standard here, correct? Stack saying he would eliminate it isn't racist yet Brown's calls for reforms are racist?

The problem with you is you repeat things over and over again.  What about the Stack quote?  What about the Stack quote?  Will anything I say be answered to your satisfaction?  I did not run away from it.  Did you read my last question about the Sharpton/Street ads?  Apparently not because you know you have to runa way from it. 

How is that a problem? You weren't answering the question. That just MIGHT be the reason why I had to ask it about six times! You are a hypocrite, IrishDem. It's racist when Brown calls for reform but it doesn't matter when Stack calls for elimination. Hypocrite. And yes you did run away from it.

As for the Sharpton stuff, of course I don't support it if the endorsement wasn't true. However, that has nothing to do with Schwartz's comments about how Brown is "being negative" and "sleazy" in this campaign. Schwartz cannot connect with voters here so she uses that stuff when she can't prove it. I've spoken with a number of people that were turned off by Schwartz's ad so it's clearly backfiring. And Schwartz also refused to an agreement put forth by Brown during the debate that a third party review the ads in this campaign for their accuracy. Why didn't she accept? Because she obviously can't point to a situation where Brown has been "sleazy."

As for the Street stuff, I have no problem with it. Hoeffel stood with Mayor Street and stands by Street's agenda. Why wasn't Hoeffel proud to stand by it in front of the voters here in the Northeast?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:25:17 PM
I went to the Tacony Parade today. There were Schwartz people there and I was speaking with one of them. The funniest thing the lady said to me

"Schwartz is not a liberal."

I turned to a Brown volunteer, laughed and walked away. Schwartz's volunteers obviously don't know their candidate too well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 09:33:25 PM
Funny Schwartz called for Melissa Brown to sign for a clean, honest campaign.  She has refused.  And by the way, why did the Inquirer give her two "Sleazy" Awards for 2002 and 2004?  They don't give them to many.  I have nothing against Mayfair for wanting Section 8 reform, but them thinking Melissa Brown is goign ot represent them is foolish. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:39:31 PM
Funny Schwartz called for Melissa Brown to sign for a clean, honest campaign.  She has refused.  And by the way, why did the Inquirer give her two "Sleazy" Awards for 2002 and 2004?  They don't give them to many.  I have nothing against Mayfair for wanting Section 8 reform, but them thinking Melissa Brown is goign ot represent them is foolish. 

They gave her a sleazy because they thought that discussing Section 8 was racist. Go tell a voter in the Northeast that, IrishDem. Also, one columnist awarded her a sleazy and never contacted her about the issue so she never had time to fully explain her position.

And why does Schwartz keep saying that Brown said that Bard voted for a pay raise? Brown never said that. Brown said that Bard voted to raise her pension, which is true. Schwartz should try to get something called facts on her side (though many don't exist.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 09:43:25 PM
There is a lot you are overlooking here Keystone.  If you think it's otherwise I'd like to hear a GOOD explanation.  You can't give one because we know your candidate is an @sshole.  I can see right through her smokescreen.  She is trying to hog the issue as her own to get people like us to the polls for her.  I'm not fooled! 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:50:33 PM
There is a lot you are overlooking here Keystone.  If you think it's otherwise I'd like to hear a GOOD explanation.  You can't give one because we know your candidate is an @sshole.  I can see right through her smokescreen.  She is trying to hog the issue as her own to get people like us to the polls for her.  I'm not fooled! 

My candidate is an @sshole? And I need the maturing, right? Why exactly do you feel that way, IrishDem? Because she talks about reform?
I told you why she got the sleazy and why she didn't deserve it. Like I said, I have spoken with people about the Schwartz's ad about Brown and it's backfiring.

 If anything, Stack is the one using it as a smokescreen. He has no intentions of discussing this issue in the future but knows its a big deal up here so he comes up with this outrageous idea that you did run from. The only reason Stack brought up Section 8 is because he needs votes. Guess what? People aren't fooled!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 09:52:20 PM
My question is why do you think the Republicans own that issue? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 09:59:29 PM
 I don't think Republicans own the issue. It's just that Philly Dems aren't pressing the issue that much. Example: Demotroll thinks Section 8 isn't a problem. Do you really think an opinion like that shows that Dems care about reforming the program? You also claim that you want reform but when Demotroll says that people up here don't care about Section 8, you applaud his comments. Do you really believe that people don't care about the issue and if so, are you one of them?

 My question to you is why is it that when a Republican addresses the issue, it's based on race but when a Dem does it, it's fine (even when they say they want it eliminated)?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 10:05:15 PM
The bottom line out of all of this is yes I want Section 8 reform.  Thing is I will support a candidate I feel best suits me taken into consideration ALL views.  Sorry it isn't your woman KeystonePhil :( 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 10:07:47 PM
  Sorry it isn't your woman KeystonePhil :( 

I don't mind at all. I am positive that there won't be a majority of people like you voting on Election Day :)

You have to admit, though....you'd much rather have Torsella as your candidate right now. The seat was definetley more like to stay Dem (though it would elect a candidate more to the center) than it is now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 10:11:32 PM
I'll admit I'd rather have Torsella, but I am happy with Schwartz.  If you had to compare where I would be to the 2 candidates in terms of liberalism:

Schwartz>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me>>>>>>>>Torsella.

Hope this makes sense.  I also thought Torsella was more electable. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 10:13:06 PM
I also thought Torsella was more electable. 

No doubt about that and I actually wouldn't mind him that much as my Congressman. Sure I'd work hard to see Brown elected but Torsella would be a big improvement over Hoeffel.

(Speaking of Hoeffel, I don't believe for a second that poll that shows him within single digits of Specter.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 10:17:43 PM
If you had to compare where I would be to the 2 candidates in terms of liberalism:

Schwartz>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me>>>>>>>>Torsella.



Oh and wouldn't you admit that a comment like "Schwartz isn't a liberal" shows that someone obviously doesn't know about Schwartz?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 11:02:47 PM
If you had to compare where I would be to the 2 candidates in terms of liberalism:

Schwartz>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me>>>>>>>>Torsella.



Oh and wouldn't you admit that a comment like "Schwartz isn't a liberal" shows that someone obviously doesn't know about Schwartz?

I know she is.  Why is that such a taboo term?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 11:06:27 PM
If you had to compare where I would be to the 2 candidates in terms of liberalism:

Schwartz>>>>>>>>>>>>>Me>>>>>>>>Torsella.



Oh and wouldn't you admit that a comment like "Schwartz isn't a liberal" shows that someone obviously doesn't know about Schwartz?

I know she is.  Why is that such a taboo term?

And like you haven't used "right winger" to mean something bad. Come on now.

I don't understand why her supporter didn't just say "Yeah she's a liberal." Either she really doesn't believe she's a liberal or she doesn't even know the candidate she is supporting. I don't know which is worse.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 09, 2004, 11:08:22 PM
That's what politics are for.  Labeling someone as taboo. "Liberal" or "hard right winger" or "neo-con" or "Lefty".  It's all the same.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 11:09:50 PM

If that's what politics is for in your opinion, then why are you complaining about it?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 09, 2004, 11:23:58 PM
Another thing I was wondering about and since you're a big Torsella fan, maybe you will know the answer: Did Joe Torsella ever come out and officially endorse Allyson Schwartz?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 01:53:02 AM
Another thing I was wondering about and since you're a big Torsella fan, maybe you will know the answer: Did Joe Torsella ever come out and officially endorse Allyson Schwartz?

After his primary loss he did.  Problem for you guys is Ellen Bard did not for Melissa Brown.  Hell if I were her why would I?  That could have possibly ended it for you guys.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: scottocracy on October 10, 2004, 03:44:40 PM
During the Torsella-Schwartz race, when Schwartz won, a man at the NE Dems HQ said to me, "Oh no, the liberal won."  I was absolutely shocked that the stigma attached to word is so pervasive, that even hardcore Democrats are afraid of it.

Now, as John Kerry and Keystone Phil both basically said, labels are pointless, and uneccesary.  But, I see nothing wrong with the word liberal, in fact I think being a liberal is honorable.  Being a liberal means that you refuse to see things as being black-or-white, it means that you embrace the grey area.  To me, liberalism is seeing the middle ground between conservatism and socialism.  It's about being open-minded and refusing to accept simplistic and ignorant religious dogma.

Now, I will basically put forth my views on these issues, and I would like to engage in a debate with the Republicans in here about their views on them:

tax cuts - to say that tax cuts are going to lead to economic boom is only true on a short-term basis and a rare basis.  So if some middle class family recieves a $1000 rebate, they can by some more sh**t, and then it's over with.  Social programs begin ending, tuition aid for college disappears, farm subsidies end, raising the price of healthy foods, causing more health problems, but of course since health care costs are going up, and the drug companies and insurance compaines are not being regulated, noone gets helped there.  But of course the good rich people can donate some used bandages, which takes care of all our problems ;-)

Voucher - (n.) A way of undermining the public education system, by forcing taxpayers to fund the formation of ignorance through religious education.

Abortion - (n.) A wedge issues used by conservatives to get people to vote Republican.  Although it is well known that by reducing the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy, through birth control and contraceptive education, more inexpensive maternal health care, and education, abortions can be reduced, or eliminated, those who call themselves "pro-life" hold on to the belief that if the police prevent women from getting an abortion, the problem will be solved.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on October 10, 2004, 05:38:16 PM

Voucher - (n.) A way of undermining the public education system, by forcing taxpayers to fund the formation of ignorance through religious education.


Vouchers don't just have to go to religious schools.  If you get a voucher you can opt to go to any school around where you live.  I have 5 religious high schools within decent commuting time and about 10 public schools, some of which are pretty decent.  I also have 3 private, non-religious schools to go to.  So saying that vouchers are just an excuse to form ignorance through religious ed shows you are very ignorant.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 07:05:19 PM

Voucher - (n.) A way of undermining the public education system, by forcing taxpayers to fund the formation of ignorance through religious education.


Vouchers don't just have to go to religious schools.  If you get a voucher you can opt to go to any school around where you live.  I have 5 religious high schools within decent commuting time and about 10 public schools, some of which are pretty decent.  I also have 3 private, non-religious schools to go to.  So saying that vouchers are just an excuse to form ignorance through religious ed shows you are very ignorant.

Here's a million dollar question.  Do you just let the school the student got taken out of rot because it is underfunded?  What about the students that got kicked out of a private school or can no longer pay the tution?  Should they go to underfunded schools?  My parents paid for Catholic school for myself because they wanted to.  It was their option.  I could have easily went to a magnet public school in Philadelphia which btw are fairly decent.  Vouchers undermine the public schools system and I therefore oppose them. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 07:10:54 PM
Abortion - (n.) A wedge issues used by conservatives to get people to vote Republican.  Although it is well known that by reducing the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy, through birth control and contraceptive education, more inexpensive maternal health care, and education, abortions can be reduced, or eliminated, those who call themselves "pro-life" hold on to the belief that if the police prevent women from getting an abortion, the problem will be solved.

I love when Dems call something a "wedge" issue. It shows that they can't discuss an issue or want to acknowledge it as an issue.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 07:15:18 PM
Abortion - (n.) A wedge issues used by conservatives to get people to vote Republican.  Although it is well known that by reducing the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy, through birth control and contraceptive education, more inexpensive maternal health care, and education, abortions can be reduced, or eliminated, those who call themselves "pro-life" hold on to the belief that if the police prevent women from getting an abortion, the problem will be solved.

I love when Dems call something a "wedge" issue. It shows that they can't discuss an issue or want to acknowledge it as an issue.

I'll rephrase that for you.  you guys have to overemphasize social issues or Section 8 because you would get crushed on the economy.  You're just angry because there are some Northeast Philadelphia Dems calling you guys out on it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 07:20:58 PM
Abortion - (n.) A wedge issues used by conservatives to get people to vote Republican.  Although it is well known that by reducing the occurrence of unwanted pregnancy, through birth control and contraceptive education, more inexpensive maternal health care, and education, abortions can be reduced, or eliminated, those who call themselves "pro-life" hold on to the belief that if the police prevent women from getting an abortion, the problem will be solved.

I love when Dems call something a "wedge" issue. It shows that they can't discuss an issue or want to acknowledge it as an issue.

I'll rephrase that for you.  you guys have to overemphasize social issues or Section 8 because you would get crushed on the economy.  You're just angry because there are some Northeast Philadelphia Dems calling you guys out on it.

Ok that's like me saying "you guys have to overemphasize the economy so you don't get crushed on social/Section 8 issues." Face it, IrishDem. Some people care about their neighborhoods just as much as their jobs. It angers you so much but hey it's the truth. Social issues are just as important as everything else, my friend. Time for you to accept that and move on.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 07:32:05 PM
Matter of preference and priority then Keystone.  I know there are less pro-choice Northeast Philadelphians than elsewhere in our part of PA.  I am pro-choice, pro-progressive tax, pro-balanced budget, anti-death penalty, pro-labor, pro-fair trade, anti-voucher, pro-separation of chruch and state, pro-environment, pro-universal health care, anti-Iraq (pre-emptive) war, the "War on Drugs" is a joke, pro-marijuana, pro-stem cell, pro-environment, and I believe in spending for a 100 computers in a school rather than some billion dollar missile yet I am anti-affirmative action and there should be reforms on Section 8 housing.  At the end of the day that makes me a Democrat and I will vote accordingly.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 07:35:34 PM
To show there is a clear bias with these "Sleazy" awards, go read Tom Ferrick's article in today's Inquirer. He is the one who has given Brown "sleazies" in the past and it's obvious he only focuses on her concerning the Section 8 issue. Why do I think this? He said that Brown's campaign "appeals to racial fears" (obviously referring to Section 8 which Brown has said time and time again that it's not about race to the voters.)

 It seems like Ferrick likes to cover the Section 8 issue so I wonder, why doesn't he say something about Stack's comments on the program? Why doesn't he award Stack a sleazy? A sleazy award, while no honor, really means nothing in my book coming from a guy who is obviously ignoring what others say about the issue. Then again, maybe he'll award Stack a sleazy for his comments a few weeks ago. Wait...I must be kidding myself.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 07:38:57 PM
Matter of preference and priority then Keystone.  I know there are less pro-choice Northeast Philadelphians than elsewhere in our part of PA.  I am pro-choice, pro-progressive tax, pro-balanced budget, anti-death penalty, pro-labor, pro-fair trade, anti-voucher, pro-separation of chruch and state, pro-environment, pro-universal health care, anti-Iraq (pre-emptive) war, the "War on Drugs" is a joke, pro-marijuana, pro-stem cell, pro-environment, and I believe in spending for a 100 computers in a school rather than some billion dollar missile yet I am anti-affirmative action and there should be reforms on Section 8 housing.  At the end of the day that makes me a Democrat and I will vote accordingly.   

That's fine that you have preferrences and priorities. However, don't make people feel dumb because they put their neighborhoods just as high as their jobs on their priorities list.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 07:41:18 PM
To show there is a clear bias with these "Sleazy" awards, go read Tom Ferrick's article in today's Inquirer. He is the one who has given Brown "sleazies" in the past and it's obvious he only focuses on her concerning the Section 8 issue. Why do I think this? He said that Brown's campaign "appeals to racial fears" (obviously referring to Section 8 which Brown has said time and time again that it's not about race to the voters.)

 It seems like Ferrick likes to cover the Section 8 issue so I wonder, why doesn't he say something about Stack's comments on the program? Why doesn't he award Stack a sleazy? A sleazy award, while no honor, really means nothing in my book coming from a guy who is obviously ignoring what others say about the issue. Then again, maybe he'll award Stack a sleazy for his comments a few weeks ago. Wait...I must be kidding myself.



Wht are you crying so much about Stack?  Is it because Mirarchi has no chance?  Is it because 85,000 dors is mathematically impossible unless he knocks on someone's door at 3 A.M?  Stack NEVER sent out mailings tying his opponent to John Street and Al Sharpton.  He just made a comment in the Northeast Times.  He futher stated that Section 8 is difficult to reform.  You have a Republican controlled State Senate and House with Perzel as Speaker.  Has Perzel done anything? NO.  


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 07:48:33 PM
To show there is a clear bias with these "Sleazy" awards, go read Tom Ferrick's article in today's Inquirer. He is the one who has given Brown "sleazies" in the past and it's obvious he only focuses on her concerning the Section 8 issue. Why do I think this? He said that Brown's campaign "appeals to racial fears" (obviously referring to Section 8 which Brown has said time and time again that it's not about race to the voters.)

 It seems like Ferrick likes to cover the Section 8 issue so I wonder, why doesn't he say something about Stack's comments on the program? Why doesn't he award Stack a sleazy? A sleazy award, while no honor, really means nothing in my book coming from a guy who is obviously ignoring what others say about the issue. Then again, maybe he'll award Stack a sleazy for his comments a few weeks ago. Wait...I must be kidding myself.



Wht are you crying so much about Stack?  Is it because Mirarchi has no chance?  Is it because 85,000 dors is mathematically impossible unless he knocks on someone's door at 3 A.M?  Stack NEVER sent out mailings tying his opponent to John Street and Al Sharpton.  He just made a comment in the Northeast Times.  He futher stated that Section 8 is difficult to reform.  You have a Republican controlled State Senate and House with Perzel as Speaker.  Has Perzel done anything? NO.  

1) Mirarchi does have a chance. Go ask your neighbors who they're State Senator is and then tell me Stack has it locked up.

2) I talk about Stack because there is a CLEAR double standard within your party.

3) A comment is a comment. Stop running away and saying "Oh his comment didn't matter because it was in a newspaper." Lamest excuse I ever heard from you.

4) Perzel should move to do more concerning this issue but it's hard when you have members of the Legislature from the city where the problem is blocking your efforts.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 08:00:00 PM
Oh and now it's all City Council's fault?  Come on.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 08:02:46 PM
Oh and now it's all City Council's fault?  Come on.

Huh? I was talking about Dem State Senators and State Reps who would probably stand in Perzel's way if he ever mentioned the issue (though if the issue was ever brought up in Council, it would fail miserably.) Stack would do nothing about it if it ever came up. Mirarchi, on the other hand, will take on the issue. We need a strong voice on the issue, not someone who makes outrageous statements and then ends up not discussing the issue at all.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 08:08:01 PM
Mirarchi is an utter joke.  The guy's what 30 and has never been in private law practice.  The guy has virtually NO ideas.  Compared to Boyle, this guy is NOTHING!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 08:11:08 PM
Mirarchi is an utter joke.  The guy's what 30 and has never been in private law practice.  The guy has virtually NO ideas.  Compared to Boyle, this guy is NOTHING!!!!

Never had a private law practice? Oh darn. He was too busy handling a powerful Councilman's constituent services. What was Boyle doing? Oh yeah...still doing play by play for Notre Dame. Who would you rather see elected?

The real joke - Do-nothing Stack. Like I said, go ask your neighbors who their State Senator is. Ask anyone who lives in the 5th State Senate district who their State Senator is and I bet an overwhelming majority don't know who it is.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2004, 09:04:05 PM
PCN will be airing the PA13 debate again tomorrow afternoon at 2. It might be your last time to see it so I suggest you tape it.

http://www.pcntv.com/schedule.html


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 10:16:24 PM
PCN will be airing the PA13 debate again tomorrow afternoon at 2. It might be your last time to see it so I suggest you tape it.

http://www.pcntv.com/schedule.html

Thanks for the link.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: scottocracy on October 10, 2004, 11:30:52 PM
Um, obviously you did not read my post- i called it a wedge issue and then explained my view on it, and of course you failed to reply to the argument.  The fact is, we advocate education and science over policing of women.

Tax cuts- of course you didn't reply at all to this.

Vouchers- fine, some private schools are not religious, but they are still private, and funding them is a complete slap in the face of the public school system.  If you are going to be for vouchers, just be honest that it is because you do not like the concept of public schools.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2004, 11:35:53 PM
Um, obviously you did not read my post- i called it a wedge issue and then explained my view on it, and of course you failed to reply to the argument.  The fact is, we advocate education and science over policing of women.

Tax cuts- of course you didn't reply at all to this.

Vouchers- fine, some private schools are not religious, but they are still private, and funding them is a complete slap in the face of the public school system.  If you are going to be for vouchers, just be honest that it is because you do not like the concept of public schools.

Of course he's not going to respond.  Hey go on AIM.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 01:45:39 PM
Watching the debate now.  Melissa Brown just gave the same Chamber of Commerce answer to a girl who asked about jobs.  "Make Bush tax cuts permanent" and the "economy is growing.  Teenagers shouldn't be concerned". BAD ANSWER!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 01:53:40 PM
Haha.  I think McDermott needs some dental work.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 02:38:25 PM
Um, obviously you did not read my post- i called it a wedge issue and then explained my view on it, and of course you failed to reply to the argument.  The fact is, we advocate education and science over policing of women.

Tax cuts- of course you didn't reply at all to this.

Vouchers- fine, some private schools are not religious, but they are still private, and funding them is a complete slap in the face of the public school system.  If you are going to be for vouchers, just be honest that it is because you do not like the concept of public schools.

Of course he's not going to respond. 

Yeah and you're aren't the king of ignoring questions?

Sorry Scott but I didn't read your reasons. I had enough things to respond to but now I will take the time to do so.

Abortion - It's not policing of women. Try it's respect for life.

Tax cuts - Sorry I don't fall into the Dem philosophy of taxing the rich because they are rich.

Vouchers - Don't tell me why I support vouchers. It's not because I don't like the concept of public schools. If you really think that's why people support the idea than you have something wrong with you, pal.

If a school is failing, the school has failed the parents and the student. I am tired of hearing the Dems use the line "We will keep funding the schools so the problem will go away!" Yes, I would continue to put money into our schools but hey...even with all the money they need, some schools will fail. The parents and the student must have options at that point. Stop living in a fantasy world.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 02:39:08 PM

How many questions has Schwartz ignored at this piont? Three? Four?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 02:47:15 PM

How many questions has Schwartz ignored at this piont? Three? Four?

Didn't see the whole thing, just the 2nd part.  I missed the 1st 15 mins.  I thought Schwartz did fine.  Oh and btw, tell your buddy he needs to take some Prozac. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 02:48:52 PM

How many questions has Schwartz ignored at this piont? Three? Four?

Didn't see the whole thing, just the 2nd part.  I missed the 1st 15 mins.  I thought Schwartz did fine.  Oh and btw, tell your buddy he needs to take some Prozac. 

Oh what did he ask her too tough of a question? Couldn't answer it could she? And then we wonder why she doesn't want to sign the third party ad agreement.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 02:52:26 PM
His question was incoherent garbage.  It didn't merit a response.  I started laughing when he was asking it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 02:55:03 PM
His question was incoherent garbage.  It didn't merit a response.  I started laughing when he was asking it.

Why was it garbage? Schwartz found herself in a tough spot and obviously couldn't answer the question. And it does merit a response. If Schwartz wants to make accusations, she has to back them up. People are beginning to realize she can't do that.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 02:56:39 PM
He was going apesh!t on Allyson.  It seemed liek he had ADHD or something. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 02:59:30 PM
He was going apesh!t on Allyson.  It seemed liek he had ADHD or something. 

He had a lot to ask from someone who obviously can't back up her claims. It's ok, IrishDem...you can admit it. Schwartz's claims couldn't be backed up with the facts. She lost the debate and she'll lose the election.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 03:06:33 PM
I think Schwartz reaffirmed her positions quite well.  I'm happily backing Allyson Schwartz STILL!!! I think Allyson won.  The way Melissa Brown answered that girl's question about jobs was pitiful.  She, like Bush, is trying to paint a rosier picture thatn what really is.  Allyson was quite clear on what needed to be done.  Eliminate tax breaks for offshoring, create incentives for jobs at home while Melissa Brown is reaffirming her support for tax breaks for the wealthy.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 03:09:44 PM
I think Schwartz reaffirmed her positions quite well.  I'm happily backing Allyson Schwartz STILL!!! I think Allyson won.  The way Melissa Brown answered that girl's question about jobs was pitiful.  She, like Bush, is trying to paint a rosier picture thatn what really is.  Allyson was quite clear on what needed to be done.  Eliminate tax breaks for offshoring, create incentives for jobs at home while Melissa Brown is reaffirming her support for tax breaks for the wealthy.

Well we obviously disagree on the issues but you're still running away from the point that Schwartz ran away from Dave's question about Bard's vote about raising her PENSION. Schwartz keeps saying Brown said something that she didn't. Brown made clear what she said concerning Bard's vote.

As for the question on the economy, neither Bush nor Brown are painting a rosy picture. They are stating that the economy is improving and it is.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 03:30:25 PM

Well we obviously disagree on the issues but you're still running away from the point that Schwartz ran away from Dave's question about Bard's vote about raising her PENSION. Schwartz keeps saying Brown said something that she didn't. Brown made clear what she said concerning Bard's vote.

Dave was winded.  It took him forever to get to the point.  I started laughing.  What does Bard have to do with Schwartz?

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As for the question on the economy, neither Bush nor Brown are painting a rosy picture. They are stating that the economy is improving and it is.


Keep telling yourselves this.  High school grads have a brand new Wal-Mart at Grant and the Blvd. if they're lucky.  Oh and they have the Lowe's and the Longhorn's as well.  College Grads have to work themselves silly for 35K a year with student loans.  Most can't afford a home.   Bush and Brown are full of sh!t.  They instead want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and huge corporations that lay off people.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 03:34:42 PM

Well we obviously disagree on the issues but you're still running away from the point that Schwartz ran away from Dave's question about Bard's vote about raising her PENSION. Schwartz keeps saying Brown said something that she didn't. Brown made clear what she said concerning Bard's vote.

Dave was winded.  It took him forever to get to the point.  I started laughing.  What does Bard have to do with Schwartz?

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As for the question on the economy, neither Bush nor Brown are painting a rosy picture. They are stating that the economy is improving and it is.


Keep telling yourselves this.  High school grads have a brand new Wal-Mart at Grant and the Blvd. if they're lucky.  Oh and they have the Lowe's and the Longhorn's as well.  College Grads have to work themselves silly for 35K a year with student loans.  Most can't afford a home.   Bush and Brown are full of sh!t.  They instead want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and huge corporations that lay off people.

It took him forever to get to his point because he had to make so many points! If you knew anything about Schwartz, you would know that she keeps accusing Brown of saying that Bard voted for a pay increase. That's not true and Brown proved that.

And yes the economy is getting better. It's ashame that you can't look at the numbers that show that. Bush and Brown are giving a tax cut to everyone. I love how Dems go around saying "The tax cut is for the wealthy! We can't let this continue!" Wrong. They are for everone. Do rich people get tax breaks? Of course they do. It's fair that they do. I'm so sick of this "raise taxes on the rich because they are rich" idea you guys come up with.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 03:43:11 PM

Well we obviously disagree on the issues but you're still running away from the point that Schwartz ran away from Dave's question about Bard's vote about raising her PENSION. Schwartz keeps saying Brown said something that she didn't. Brown made clear what she said concerning Bard's vote.

Dave was winded.  It took him forever to get to the point.  I started laughing.  What does Bard have to do with Schwartz?

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As for the question on the economy, neither Bush nor Brown are painting a rosy picture. They are stating that the economy is improving and it is.


Keep telling yourselves this.  High school grads have a brand new Wal-Mart at Grant and the Blvd. if they're lucky.  Oh and they have the Lowe's and the Longhorn's as well.  College Grads have to work themselves silly for 35K a year with student loans.  Most can't afford a home.   Bush and Brown are full of sh!t.  They instead want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and huge corporations that lay off people.

It took him forever to get to his point because he had to make so many points! If you knew anything about Schwartz, you would know that she keeps accusing Brown of saying that Bard voted for a pay increase. That's not true and Brown proved that.

And yes the economy is getting better. It's ashame that you can't look at the numbers that show that. Bush and Brown are giving a tax cut to everyone. I love how Dems go around saying "The tax cut is for the wealthy! We can't let this continue!" Wrong. They are for everone. Do rich people get tax breaks? Of course they do. It's fair that they do. I'm so sick of this "raise taxes on the rich because they are rich" idea you guys come up with.

I hope your parents can pay for your college tuition.  I can tell you now mine couldn't.  In actuality, the tax cuts hurt most people.  We have a deficit.  The tax cuts were from borrowed money.  You have no clue as to how fiscla policy works.  Essentially your parents got a tax cut and you are paying the mortgage2 or 3 fold.  There is a very good reason I am supporting John Kerry and Allyson Schwartz and this is essentially the reason.  Section 8, though I feel is an issue, takes a back seat.  I'll be blunt with you on that.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 03:50:15 PM

Well we obviously disagree on the issues but you're still running away from the point that Schwartz ran away from Dave's question about Bard's vote about raising her PENSION. Schwartz keeps saying Brown said something that she didn't. Brown made clear what she said concerning Bard's vote.

Dave was winded.  It took him forever to get to the point.  I started laughing.  What does Bard have to do with Schwartz?

Quote
As for the question on the economy, neither Bush nor Brown are painting a rosy picture. They are stating that the economy is improving and it is.


Keep telling yourselves this.  High school grads have a brand new Wal-Mart at Grant and the Blvd. if they're lucky.  Oh and they have the Lowe's and the Longhorn's as well.  College Grads have to work themselves silly for 35K a year with student loans.  Most can't afford a home.   Bush and Brown are full of sh!t.  They instead want to give more tax breaks to the wealthy and huge corporations that lay off people.

It took him forever to get to his point because he had to make so many points! If you knew anything about Schwartz, you would know that she keeps accusing Brown of saying that Bard voted for a pay increase. That's not true and Brown proved that.

And yes the economy is getting better. It's ashame that you can't look at the numbers that show that. Bush and Brown are giving a tax cut to everyone. I love how Dems go around saying "The tax cut is for the wealthy! We can't let this continue!" Wrong. They are for everone. Do rich people get tax breaks? Of course they do. It's fair that they do. I'm so sick of this "raise taxes on the rich because they are rich" idea you guys come up with.

  Section 8, though I feel is an issue, takes a back seat.  I'll be blunt with you on that.

I don't think it's taking a back seat in your case. I honestly believe you'd like the issue taken off the table for good.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2004, 03:58:36 PM
Yes I want it taken off the table because I want the Northeast to remain a good place to live.  You mean you want the issue to continue to be used as a political football?  Wow, shows how much you care about your neighborhood.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 11, 2004, 08:35:43 PM
Yes I want it taken off the table because I want the Northeast to remain a good place to live.  You mean you want the issue to continue to be used as a political football?  Wow, shows how much you care about your neighborhood.

Political football - term Dems love to use when they don't want an issue discussed. Example: Section 8. Why? Because they lose on the issue...BIG time.

You really want to tell me I don't care about my neighborhood? Yet YOU sit there and agree when people say "Section 8 is not an issue." . You're one of those "Yeah I want reform but nothing done about it" kind of people. Luckily we won't have someone like you in office up here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on October 11, 2004, 09:11:15 PM
Geez Pennsylvania...calm down :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 13, 2004, 02:22:40 PM
Yes I want it taken off the table because I want the Northeast to remain a good place to live.  You mean you want the issue to continue to be used as a political football?  Wow, shows how much you care about your neighborhood.

Political football - term Dems love to use when they don't want an issue discussed. Example: Section 8. Why? Because they lose on the issue...BIG time.

You really want to tell me I don't care about my neighborhood? Yet YOU sit there and agree when people say "Section 8 is not an issue." . You're one of those "Yeah I want reform but nothing done about it" kind of people. Luckily we won't have someone like you in office up here.

Go read the Northeast Times this week.  There was an excellent letter about Perzel.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  He's been in there 25 years and hasn't done sh!t yet he props up these jokes like Brown and Mirarchi and expects the Northeast to vote for them.  All he can do is blame the Democrats for it.  You know in 3 months on here you have yet to tell me how the Democrats are at fault on this issue.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 13, 2004, 02:31:49 PM
Another thing... You grew up in what Torresdale?  Guess what pal I grew up in Northwood(Frankford).  Believe me I have had to deal with Section 8 a lot more than you have.  How would you like having played football on a field growing up and then having a SWAT sniper on it before I left?  Yes and it was because a Section 8 tenant got into a nasty domestic dispute in which the guy went nuts and tried to kill himself and his girlfriend.  For future reference NEVER tell me I don't care about Section 8.  The difference between me and you is I'm not pointing my finger at the Democrats or the Republicans on this issue.  I'm smart enough to know where both parties stand on various issues. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 13, 2004, 07:21:36 PM
Another thing... You grew up in what Torresdale?  Guess what pal I grew up in Northwood(Frankford).  Believe me I have had to deal with Section 8 a lot more than you have.  How would you like having played football on a field growing up and then having a SWAT sniper on it before I left?  Yes and it was because a Section 8 tenant got into a nasty domestic dispute in which the guy went nuts and tried to kill himself and his girlfriend.  For future reference NEVER tell me I don't care about Section 8.  The difference between me and you is I'm not pointing my finger at the Democrats or the Republicans on this issue.  I'm smart enough to know where both parties stand on various issues. 

You claim to care about Section 8 reform yet whenever a Republican starts talking about the issue they're playing with race. And now you say you aren't pointing fingers? Give me a break. You want to tell your stories, go ahead. I am willing to listen and I'm willing to stand up for people like you who had to watch their neighborhoods go down the tubes and are tired of watching tenants do nothing while living off the government. However, don't think your story will suddenly make me think that we shouldn't discuss the issue just because YOU think it shouldn't be discussed.

And I'm also smart and look at different issues when deciding who I support. Do you think I am a Republican just because of Section 8 reform? Do you think that's the only reason I support Brown? If you do, you're wrong.

As for your previous post, Brown and Mirarchi aren't jokes. I don't see how someone is a joke because they actually go out and meet the people. They're also discussing one of the most important issues to the people of the NE instead of running away from it or making bogus comments just for votes.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 13, 2004, 07:56:51 PM
In response to this Letter in the NE Times...

1) This guy refers to Brown as a "phony." Well let's take a look at Senator Stack and Senator Schwartz shall we? When have they ever discussed this issue before? The first and only time I ever saw Schwartz discuss Section 8 was in a press release. She put out her plan that people up here are suppossed to believe. However, we all know that if elected to Congress she won't do a thing on this issue. Why do I think that? Well let's see...it took her how long to bring it up in this campaign? Coincidence that she released her stances a day after Brown had a major press conference on the issue? I think not.

2) The writer also brings up Perzel throughout the entire letter. He says Perzel has done nothing. Well that's not true. Perzel isn't my favorite State Rep, I'll admit that. However, he does focus pretty strongly on education. Maybe the author wanted to talk about Stack when he said "...he has done nothing, zippo."

3) The author also says that Perzel, Brown and Mirarchi are blaming Dems for the problems. Well let's take a look at the Dem controlled City Council. Do you  think reform on the program the way it is currently run would pass through? Do you think Mayor Street will come up with new reforms for the program? Come on, IrishDem.

4) The author states that Republicans control U.S. House and Senate and have complete control in the Legislature but have done nothing concerning the issue. Well I could understand why they aren't doing anything on the federal level because our Represenatitive to the U.S. House hasn't pushed hard for reform. This is probably one of the most troubled areas when it comes to Section 8. Yes, we have the moratorium which is a good first step. There is still much more to do. Brown will work to make sure this program is reformed. She will fight for complete reform. What Hoeffel seems to forget is that there are still tenants in Section 8 that are irresponsible and stricter guidelines must be set.

As for the State Legislature level, what has Stack done on the issue? Has he ever helped offer any solutions? Sure the GOP has control but when you have a State Senator from an area where most of the problems are occuring and he's doing nothing about it, that's a problem. Now he wants to say he'd eliminate it if it was up to him. Every Dem wants to stand up and say Brown is calling for reform because of race yet they seem to back away when one of their own makes a comment about eliminating the program. So who are the phonies again?

5) The writer ends saying candidates Perzel, Mirarchi and Brown should "stop the lies and deception." What are they lying about? Are they lying about the fact that Section 8 is ruining their neighborhoods? Are they lying when they say reform is needed? The voters will stand with these candidates on election day because they realize who is fighting for their interests concerning Section 8 reform.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 14, 2004, 02:43:10 AM
In response to this Letter in the NE Times...

1) This guy refers to Brown as a "phony." Well let's take a look at Senator Stack and Senator Schwartz shall we? When have they ever discussed this issue before? The first and only time I ever saw Schwartz discuss Section 8 was in a press release. She put out her plan that people up here are suppossed to believe. However, we all know that if elected to Congress she won't do a thing on this issue. Why do I think that? Well let's see...it took her how long to bring it up in this campaign? Coincidence that she released her stances a day after Brown had a major press conference on the issue? I think not.

Allyson also mentioned her stances at the debate. 

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2) The writer also brings up Perzel throughout the entire letter. He says Perzel has done nothing. Well that's not true. Perzel isn't my favorite State Rep, I'll admit that. However, he does focus pretty strongly on education. Maybe the author wanted to talk about Stack when he said "...he has done nothing, zippo."

Wait, the writer was specifically mentioning Section 8, not education.  Nice way to change the subject.  Oh and as for education does that mean his wife and in-laws profit off our tax dollars?  Does that also mean he can whine about how bad our city is so he can take sh!t for himself to give his cronies patronage jobs?

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3) The author also says that Perzel, Brown and Mirarchi are blaming Dems for the problems. Well let's take a look at the Dem controlled City Council. Do you  think reform on the program the way it is currently run would pass through? Do you think Mayor Street will come up with new reforms for the program? Come on, IrishDem.

I know Street will do nothing.  Jonathan Saidel and Joe Hoeffel HAVE!  But wait, weren't you saying the federal level is better to take care of it?  The PHA operates indirectly of Street and there are others who have pushed for reform. 

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4) The author states that Republicans control U.S. House and Senate and have complete control in the Legislature but have done nothing concerning the issue. Well I could understand why they aren't doing anything on the federal level because our Represenatitive to the U.S. House hasn't pushed hard for reform. This is probably one of the most troubled areas when it comes to Section 8. Yes, we have the moratorium which is a good first step. There is still much more to do. Brown will work to make sure this program is reformed. She will fight for complete reform. What Hoeffel seems to forget is that there are still tenants in Section 8 that are irresponsible and stricter guidelines must be set.

As for the State Legislature level, what has Stack done on the issue? Has he ever helped offer any solutions? Sure the GOP has control but when you have a State Senator from an area where most of the problems are occuring and he's doing nothing about it, that's a problem. Now he wants to say he'd eliminate it if it was up to him. Every Dem wants to stand up and say Brown is calling for reform because of race yet they seem to back away when one of their own makes a comment about eliminating the program. So who are the phonies again?

You also have 4 seats in the PA House of Reps from the Northeast.  Where is not only Perzel, but Kenney, O'Brien, and Taylor on this?  NOWHERE!!!!  Too busy worrying about how they're going to put more $$$ in their pockets.  I heard more out of Allyson Schwartz on this issue than all 4 of the above combined! 

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5) The writer ends saying candidates Perzel, Mirarchi and Brown should "stop the lies and deception." What are they lying about? Are they lying about the fact that Section 8 is ruining their neighborhoods? Are they lying when they say reform is needed? The voters will stand with these candidates on election day because they realize who is fighting for their interests concerning Section 8 reform.

Haven't heard a thing out of Perzel's mouth on Section 8.  You even said it earlier.  As for the later 2 clowns, that's a good portion of what Melissa Brown comes down here for and Sam Mirarchi's ENTIRE CAMPAIGN!  Mirarchi will go down in flames and uh oh get a real job.

Glad the author has some intellect.  I know I'm not the only NE Philadelphian that thinks this way.  The GOP is seemingly hogging the issue for themselves and diminsihing the Democrats by saying things liek "they're weak" on the issue.  I am for the same reforms you are and I'm glad you're sticking up for me here.  However, I am never going to give the GOP the torch on this either.  Other than that we disagree.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 14, 2004, 03:47:28 PM
In response to this Letter in the NE Times...

1) This guy refers to Brown as a "phony." Well let's take a look at Senator Stack and Senator Schwartz shall we? When have they ever discussed this issue before? The first and only time I ever saw Schwartz discuss Section 8 was in a press release. She put out her plan that people up here are suppossed to believe. However, we all know that if elected to Congress she won't do a thing on this issue. Why do I think that? Well let's see...it took her how long to bring it up in this campaign? Coincidence that she released her stances a day after Brown had a major press conference on the issue? I think not.

Allyson also mentioned her stances at the debate. 

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2) The writer also brings up Perzel throughout the entire letter. He says Perzel has done nothing. Well that's not true. Perzel isn't my favorite State Rep, I'll admit that. However, he does focus pretty strongly on education. Maybe the author wanted to talk about Stack when he said "...he has done nothing, zippo."

Wait, the writer was specifically mentioning Section 8, not education.  Nice way to change the subject.  Oh and as for education does that mean his wife and in-laws profit off our tax dollars?  Does that also mean he can whine about how bad our city is so he can take sh!t for himself to give his cronies patronage jobs?

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3) The author also says that Perzel, Brown and Mirarchi are blaming Dems for the problems. Well let's take a look at the Dem controlled City Council. Do you  think reform on the program the way it is currently run would pass through? Do you think Mayor Street will come up with new reforms for the program? Come on, IrishDem.

I know Street will do nothing.  Jonathan Saidel and Joe Hoeffel HAVE!  But wait, weren't you saying the federal level is better to take care of it?  The PHA operates indirectly of Street and there are others who have pushed for reform. 

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4) The author states that Republicans control U.S. House and Senate and have complete control in the Legislature but have done nothing concerning the issue. Well I could understand why they aren't doing anything on the federal level because our Represenatitive to the U.S. House hasn't pushed hard for reform. This is probably one of the most troubled areas when it comes to Section 8. Yes, we have the moratorium which is a good first step. There is still much more to do. Brown will work to make sure this program is reformed. She will fight for complete reform. What Hoeffel seems to forget is that there are still tenants in Section 8 that are irresponsible and stricter guidelines must be set.

As for the State Legislature level, what has Stack done on the issue? Has he ever helped offer any solutions? Sure the GOP has control but when you have a State Senator from an area where most of the problems are occuring and he's doing nothing about it, that's a problem. Now he wants to say he'd eliminate it if it was up to him. Every Dem wants to stand up and say Brown is calling for reform because of race yet they seem to back away when one of their own makes a comment about eliminating the program. So who are the phonies again?

You also have 4 seats in the PA House of Reps from the Northeast.  Where is not only Perzel, but Kenney, O'Brien, and Taylor on this?  NOWHERE!!!!  Too busy worrying about how they're going to put more $$$ in their pockets.  I heard more out of Allyson Schwartz on this issue than all 4 of the above combined! 

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5) The writer ends saying candidates Perzel, Mirarchi and Brown should "stop the lies and deception." What are they lying about? Are they lying about the fact that Section 8 is ruining their neighborhoods? Are they lying when they say reform is needed? The voters will stand with these candidates on election day because they realize who is fighting for their interests concerning Section 8 reform.

Haven't heard a thing out of Perzel's mouth on Section 8.  You even said it earlier.  As for the later 2 clowns, that's a good portion of what Melissa Brown comes down here for and Sam Mirarchi's ENTIRE CAMPAIGN!  Mirarchi will go down in flames and uh oh get a real job.

Glad the author has some intellect.  I know I'm not the only NE Philadelphian that thinks this way.  The GOP is seemingly hogging the issue for themselves and diminsihing the Democrats by saying things liek "they're weak" on the issue.  I am for the same reforms you are and I'm glad you're sticking up for me here.  However, I am never going to give the GOP the torch on this either.  Other than that we disagree.


1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

2) You speak of these "others" that pushed for reform? Who are they? What have they done? I received a letter from Stack today. He recently introduced a bill concerning reform of the Section 8 program. It focuses on landlords and how they have to take maintain their properties.  Wow! He did something! I expected him to keep up his streak of doing nothing in the State Senate but he's far too clever, isn't he? I took a look at the date on the bill and it's Sept. 21st 2004. Of course...with the election just weeks away, Stack FINALLY decides to do something. If this guy gets re-elected I am willing to bet that he'll do nothing else about Section 8. Luckily, Mirarchi will win and we can get someone fighting for real reform, all the time (not just a few weeks until the election.)

(Comment on Stack's bill - He focuses on landlords which is good but just like Hoeffel, he fails to go right to the source of the problem - irresponsible tenants. Proves to me it's one of his attempts to bring up the issue for a piece of campaign lit. without taking the problem head on.)

3) You've heard more out of Schwartz concerning Section 8? Oh give me a break. The ONLY time I saw her bring it up was in a press release given out a day after Brown held a major press conferrence on the issue. If Schwartz ever got to Congress, I don't think she'd ever say the words "Section 8 Reform."

4) Mirarchi will get a real job? You mean handling constituent services for one of Philly's most powerful City Council members isn't real? Oh right...he has to be like Brendan Boyle and be a radio announcer for a college team. That's the real job a public servant needs, right?

5) Dems are weak on Section 8. Schwartz would never bring this issue up in Congress and Stack ignores the issues (among other issues) until a few weeks before the election. You really think people will buy into this stuff, IrishDem?

Finally, you say you will never give the GOP the "torch" on the Section 8 issue. That has now officially proven to me that you don't care at all. You are clearly putting your party before your neighborhood and an issue you claim to care about. Luckily there are a good number of Dems who will look out for what they really care about this election before worrying about whether there is a D or R next to a candidate's name. If you didn't like Brown's or Mirarchi's plan you could have simply stated "I don't like their approach to it. I will not support it." You didn't. You've made it clear that this is more about party than anything else to you.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 14, 2004, 04:12:19 PM
Be sure to check out the "Too Radical" ad about Schwartz. Everything presented in the ad, just like the rest of Brown's ads, is fact, too. If you don't believe me, look up Schwartz's State Senate voting record.

http://www.radicalallyson.com/commercial.htm


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 15, 2004, 02:13:53 AM

1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

He was speaking at how Perzel is propping up certain people who are trying to throw a play fake on Section 8 by distracting them from the GOP's recent horrible record in Congress and the White House.  Again, where has Perzel been on this issue considering he has been representing NE Philadelphia for 25 years plus his recent experience as Speaker?  If Perzel wanted to abolish Section 8 he could.  He won't.

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2) You speak of these "others" that pushed for reform? Who are they? What have they done? I received a letter from Stack today. He recently introduced a bill concerning reform of the Section 8 program. It focuses on landlords and how they have to take maintain their properties.  Wow! He did something! I expected him to keep up his streak of doing nothing in the State Senate but he's far too clever, isn't he? I took a look at the date on the bill and it's Sept. 21st 2004. Of course...with the election just weeks away, Stack FINALLY decides to do something. If this guy gets re-elected I am willing to bet that he'll do nothing else about Section 8. Luckily, Mirarchi will win and we can get someone fighting for real reform, all the time (not just a few weeks until the election.)

(Comment on Stack's bill - He focuses on landlords which is good but just like Hoeffel, he fails to go right to the source of the problem - irresponsible tenants. Proves to me it's one of his attempts to bring up the issue for a piece of campaign lit. without taking the problem head on.)

Who is profiting the most from Section 8 - THE LANDLORD!!  These landlords should be policing their tenants like every other landlord.  They are also getting above market rents for their properties.  Too often they are taking their money to their Bucks and Montgomery County mansions and not fixing up their property.  These are called absentee landlords.  Melissa Brown doesn't want to go after these people.  She needs their votes and campaign contributions.  But hey, you just love to be a Club for Growther that defends people with more than you from your rowhome (I somehow doubt) in Torresdale. 

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3) You've heard more out of Schwartz concerning Section 8? Oh give me a break. The ONLY time I saw her bring it up was in a press release given out a day after Brown held a major press conferrence on the issue. If Schwartz ever got to Congress, I don't think she'd ever say the words "Section 8 Reform."

See the first question.  WHERE IS PERZEL??? WHERE'S O'BRIEN??? WHERE'S TAYLOR???  WHERE'S KENNEY???  The issue has actually got more play from ther Dems if i'm not mistaken.  Never heard a peep out of any GOPer in Congress or the PA House. 

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4) Mirarchi will get a real job? You mean handling constituent services for one of Philly's most powerful City Council members isn't real? Oh right...he has to be like Brendan Boyle and be a radio announcer for a college team. That's the real job a public servant needs, right?

Brendan has also worked in private industry dealing with military contracts.

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5) Dems are weak on Section 8. Schwartz would never bring this issue up in Congress and Stack ignores the issues (among other issues) until a few weeks before the election. You really think people will buy into this stuff, IrishDem?

The GOP has been no better, but in fact worse.  Joe Hoeffel has done more than any of our GOP State Reps on Section 8 put together. 

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Finally, you say you will never give the GOP the "torch" on the Section 8 issue. That has now officially proven to me that you don't care at all. You are clearly putting your party before your neighborhood and an issue you claim to care about. Luckily there are a good number of Dems who will look out for what they really care about this election before worrying about whether there is a D or R next to a candidate's name. If you didn't like Brown's or Mirarchi's plan you could have simply stated "I don't like their approach to it. I will not support it." You didn't. You've made it clear that this is more about party than anything else to you.

Anyone can talk on the issue.  The GOP has used this as a poltiical football to cannive working class Northeast Philadelphia voters into buying into their garbage.  I will state this-  I support Section 8 reform yet I do not support many of Melissa Brown's other policies.  As for Sam Mirarchi, he has given me no good reason as to why I should support him for State Senate.  Section 8 is NOT the only issue here and I will say it time and time again. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 15, 2004, 01:27:12 PM

1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

He was speaking at how Perzel is propping up certain people who are trying to throw a play fake on Section 8 by distracting them from the GOP's recent horrible record in Congress and the White House.  Again, where has Perzel been on this issue considering he has been representing NE Philadelphia for 25 years plus his recent experience as Speaker?  If Perzel wanted to abolish Section 8 he could.  He won't.

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2) You speak of these "others" that pushed for reform? Who are they? What have they done? I received a letter from Stack today. He recently introduced a bill concerning reform of the Section 8 program. It focuses on landlords and how they have to take maintain their properties.  Wow! He did something! I expected him to keep up his streak of doing nothing in the State Senate but he's far too clever, isn't he? I took a look at the date on the bill and it's Sept. 21st 2004. Of course...with the election just weeks away, Stack FINALLY decides to do something. If this guy gets re-elected I am willing to bet that he'll do nothing else about Section 8. Luckily, Mirarchi will win and we can get someone fighting for real reform, all the time (not just a few weeks until the election.)

(Comment on Stack's bill - He focuses on landlords which is good but just like Hoeffel, he fails to go right to the source of the problem - irresponsible tenants. Proves to me it's one of his attempts to bring up the issue for a piece of campaign lit. without taking the problem head on.)

Who is profiting the most from Section 8 - THE LANDLORD!!  These landlords should be policing their tenants like every other landlord.  They are also getting above market rents for their properties.  Too often they are taking their money to their Bucks and Montgomery County mansions and not fixing up their property.  These are called absentee landlords.  Melissa Brown doesn't want to go after these people.  She needs their votes and campaign contributions.  But hey, you just love to be a Club for Growther that defends people with more than you from your rowhome (I somehow doubt) in Torresdale. 

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3) You've heard more out of Schwartz concerning Section 8? Oh give me a break. The ONLY time I saw her bring it up was in a press release given out a day after Brown held a major press conferrence on the issue. If Schwartz ever got to Congress, I don't think she'd ever say the words "Section 8 Reform."

See the first question.  WHERE IS PERZEL??? WHERE'S O'BRIEN??? WHERE'S TAYLOR???  WHERE'S KENNEY???  The issue has actually got more play from ther Dems if i'm not mistaken.  Never heard a peep out of any GOPer in Congress or the PA House. 

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4) Mirarchi will get a real job? You mean handling constituent services for one of Philly's most powerful City Council members isn't real? Oh right...he has to be like Brendan Boyle and be a radio announcer for a college team. That's the real job a public servant needs, right?

Brendan has also worked in private industry dealing with military contracts.

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5) Dems are weak on Section 8. Schwartz would never bring this issue up in Congress and Stack ignores the issues (among other issues) until a few weeks before the election. You really think people will buy into this stuff, IrishDem?

The GOP has been no better, but in fact worse.  Joe Hoeffel has done more than any of our GOP State Reps on Section 8 put together. 

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Finally, you say you will never give the GOP the "torch" on the Section 8 issue. That has now officially proven to me that you don't care at all. You are clearly putting your party before your neighborhood and an issue you claim to care about. Luckily there are a good number of Dems who will look out for what they really care about this election before worrying about whether there is a D or R next to a candidate's name. If you didn't like Brown's or Mirarchi's plan you could have simply stated "I don't like their approach to it. I will not support it." You didn't. You've made it clear that this is more about party than anything else to you.

Anyone can talk on the issue.  The GOP has used this as a poltiical football to cannive working class Northeast Philadelphia voters into buying into their garbage.  I will state this-  I support Section 8 reform yet I do not support many of Melissa Brown's other policies.  As for Sam Mirarchi, he has given me no good reason as to why I should support him for State Senate.  Section 8 is NOT the only issue here and I will say it time and time again. 

1) Yes, I do live in a rowhome. Doubt it all you want, I don't care. And I don't think defending the wealthy from an UNFAIR tax hike is anything to be ashamed of. But wait...what does this have to do with anything? You went from Section 8 to me being a Club for Growth Republican in Torresdale. Please tell me why that is relevant here.

Also, going after the landlord is a good move but it's certainly not the source of the problem. Stack is obviously going around the problem so he doesn't have to get into a legislative battle but he knows he can get a good piece of campaign lit. out there before Nov. 2nd. People aren't buying it. He's been nearly invisible throughout his three and a half years in the State Senate and everyone in the NE knows Schwartz wouldn't spend a minute discussing reform if ever elected to Congress.

2) Going back to the "No Republican in Congress has brought this up.." point again, aren't you? What don't you get? This area is the problem area. We don't have someone fighting for real reform right now. When we elect Brown reform will be discussed. People will see the problems in the program. If Schwartz gets to Congress, I am willing to bet (as I have said before) that she doesn't mention the words "Section 8 reform."

You have enjoyed saying that Perzel and other PA Republicans have done nothing about Section 8 reform. Oh really? Check this out and then tell me how they've done nothing

http://www.northeasttimes.com/2002/1030/perzel.html  (Scroll down to the last couple of sentences.)

3) You bring up Boyle working in the private sector and that's fine. My problem is how you refuse to acknowledge the importance of the job Mirarchi once held. Mirarchi's job vs. Boyle's job - They don't compare.

4) The only reason Hoeffel worked for the moratorium was because of Brown's candidacy. It's just like what Stack is doing. Brown's strong challenge was what brought the issue up and like I said, there is still more to be done.

5) There you go again with the Dem's favorite phrase "political football." Your reason for using it is obvious: The Dems don't want to talk about it so they decide to call it "negative" and that it's based on race.

6) As I have stated before, Section 8 is not the only issue. You can support Schwartz and Stack for other reasons (though I might not agree with them) that's fine. However, you shouldn't claim you're for reform because everytime a Republican brings it up you say it's used for racial purposes. Then when a Dem brings up elimination, you run away or say something ridiculous like "He called for elimination in a newspaper. That's different."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 15, 2004, 01:29:14 PM

1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

 Again, where has Perzel been on this issue considering he has been representing NE Philadelphia for 25 years plus his recent experience as Speaker?  If Perzel wanted to abolish Section 8 he could.  He won't.

That's the point. He doesn't want it abolished, he wants it reformed and so does Brown and Mirarchi. Are you calling for it to be abolished? If you aren't, why are you critizing Perzel for not doing so?



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 16, 2004, 12:17:13 AM

1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

 Again, where has Perzel been on this issue considering he has been representing NE Philadelphia for 25 years plus his recent experience as Speaker?  If Perzel wanted to abolish Section 8 he could.  He won't.

That's the point. He doesn't want it abolished, he wants it reformed and so does Brown and Mirarchi. Are you calling for it to be abolished? If you aren't, why are you critizing Perzel for not doing so?



Ahh, a resolution asking for Section 8 reform.  It's as good as what the Democrats have been saying all along.  I'll say this, Section 8 is a Northeast issue, not a Democrat or a Republican.  I hope we can agree on that.  I am for Section 8 reform as are many other Northeast Dems.  We are still entitled to disagree on other issues and vote for Schwartz even though we ask for Section 8 reform.  Most Schwartz voters living in the Northeast want Section 8 reform as well.  Difference is we have other issues.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on October 16, 2004, 06:18:25 PM
VOTE McDermott!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 09:41:17 PM

1) I thought the writer was speaking in general about Perzel in that one area of the article. My mistake.

 Again, where has Perzel been on this issue considering he has been representing NE Philadelphia for 25 years plus his recent experience as Speaker?  If Perzel wanted to abolish Section 8 he could.  He won't.

That's the point. He doesn't want it abolished, he wants it reformed and so does Brown and Mirarchi. Are you calling for it to be abolished? If you aren't, why are you critizing Perzel for not doing so?



Ahh, a resolution asking for Section 8 reform.  It's as good as what the Democrats have been saying all along.  I'll say this, Section 8 is a Northeast issue, not a Democrat or a Republican.  I hope we can agree on that.  I am for Section 8 reform as are many other Northeast Dems.  We are still entitled to disagree on other issues and vote for Schwartz even though we ask for Section 8 reform.  Most Schwartz voters living in the Northeast want Section 8 reform as well.  Difference is we have other issues.   

Did he not work on the issue, IrishDem? Was the author of that article wrong or not? Perzel HAS done stuff concerning Section 8 reform.

We can agree that Section 8 isn't a Republican or Dem issue and Republicans DO have other issues as I have pointed out before. The problem I have with your party is that whenever a Republican brings it up, it's always based on race in their eyes. Voters are getting tired of hearing that. And of course there is that double standard of yours. It's based on race when Brown calls for REFORM but race has no involvement when Stack calls for ELIMINATION. Skip around that point all you want, it's a double standard.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 09:42:47 PM

McDermott = One of the biggest jokes in Pennsylvania politics.

Seriously, the guy has ran for about eight different offices. I'm beginning to think he picks offices out of a hat each year and decides to be a candidate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 16, 2004, 09:51:32 PM
Yo this weird dude came to my door today and he was trying to get my mom to vote for him by using a scare tactic. Its called Section 8. OMG he sounded like a Melissa Brown clone. Wait isn't melissa brown against Cloning. LOL


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 09:54:43 PM
Yo this weird dude came to my door today and he was trying to get my mom to vote for him by using a scare tactic. Its called Section 8. OMG he sounded like a Melissa Brown clone. Wait isn't melissa brown against Cloning. LOL

Scare tactics? Hmmmm I think it's called talking about the issue. Then again, you are the one that says Section 8 isn't an issue so I'm not surprised.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 16, 2004, 09:58:03 PM
Section 8 is no longer an issue in NE Philadelphia considering there have been no new applicants approved since 2000. Phil are you a racist?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 10:00:30 PM
Section 8 is no longer an issue in NE Philadelphia considering there have been no new applicants approved since 2000. Phil are you a racist?

Am I a racist? No. Is IrishDem a racist? He wants Section 8 reform. You did know that, right Demotroll?

And one thing you still fail to realize is that there are still tenants on Section 8 that need to start abiding by sticter guidelines. (Oh and I don't know where you're getting this "no new applicants" since 2000 when the moratorium didn't start until after 2002.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 10:01:41 PM
Section 8 is no longer an issue in NE Philadelphia considering there have been no new applicants approved since 2000. Phil are you a racist?

And another question: Stack introduced legislation about Section 8 recently. He also called for elimination (if it was up to him) at one point. Is that racist?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 16, 2004, 10:08:24 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 10:17:18 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

No I do not think Section 8 is 99% drugdealers and other criminals. I never said that and you are in no position to tell me how I feel.

Now if you want to tell Section 8 stories, I can tell them too.

I recently spoke to an elderly man (who claimed to be a liberal Dem, by the way) who lives in Section 8. He admitted that there are people who take advantage of the program and reform is needed.

There was also a situation were a black woman told my friend and me that Section 8 needed to be reformed. So it's obvious that not only white conservative Republicans feel reform is necessary.

And to that lady who says that Section 8 is one of the smallest issues, I would say that she certainly doesn't speak for a good amount of NE Philly on the status of the issue. Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 16, 2004, 10:24:26 PM
It isn't an issue at all Phil you and your crony make it a top issue in this election. To tell you the truth melissa will not attack that issue even if she gets into office which I doubt cause Allyson Schwartz will be the next Congresswomen and I know she will definitly address this issue and maybe get it reformed, but hub I think will bag the whole program and start a new improved program for ederly people to take a load off of their prescription drugs. Melissa is a rich lady from Flourtown section 8 doesnt concern her therefore something like the malpractice maybe she will better, but for suburban lady like herself she will not reform or help the section 8 issue demise.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 10:28:44 PM
It isn't an issue at all Phil you and your crony make it a top issue in this election. To tell you the truth melissa will not attack that issue even if she gets into office which I doubt cause Allyson Schwartz will be the next Congresswomen and I know she will definitly address this issue and maybe get it reformed, but hub I think will bag the whole program and start a new improved program for ederly people to take a load off of their prescription drugs. Melissa is a rich lady from Flourtown section 8 doesnt concern her therefore something like the malpractice maybe she will better, but for suburban lady like herself she will not reform or help the section 8 issue demise.

Talk to some voters in PA 13 and they'll tell you this is one of the top issues.

If you really think Schwartz (who has pretty much ignored this entirely) will push for reform, you are pretty naive. And I don't know what Brown's wealth has to do with anything. Schwartz is a wealthy Chestnut Hill State Senator. So if wealthy had anything to do with it, wouldn't that mean that Schwartz wouldn't bring it up either?

Also, I don't know what Hub is. I think you mean HUD.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on October 16, 2004, 10:33:15 PM
Wealth has nothing to do with it the point that BROWN is more SUBURBANITE, and will have more of her neighbors complaining about malpractice issues then section 8 in a house out there. I feel Allyson lives in Jenkintown therefore it is more of a town epicenter where population is higher and she is much closer to the city where her neighbors would complain about the problem of section 8. I think just because she doesn't advertise the issue as much as brown  doesnt mean she wont bring it up in congress.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2004, 11:00:47 PM
Wealth has nothing to do with it the point that BROWN is more SUBURBANITE, and will have more of her neighbors complaining about malpractice issues then section 8 in a house out there. I feel Allyson lives in Jenkintown therefore it is more of a town epicenter where population is higher and she is much closer to the city where her neighbors would complain about the problem of section 8. I think just because she doesn't advertise the issue as much as brown  doesnt mean she wont bring it up in congress.

Did you just say wealth has nothing to do with this after stating that Brown is rich? You clearly wanted to make wealth an issue but it backfired. Your statements never cease to amuse me.

Brown is addressing malpractice and Section 8. Newsflash to Demotroll: This is an ubran-suburban district. You will have your ubran issues, you will have your suburban issues. Brown is addressing all the issues.

As for your reasoning about Schwartz living closer to a "town epicenter" (Jenkintown is still in the suburbs anyway)...well...it makes no sense. If she isn't discussing the issue now, she won't discuss it in Congress (if she ever did get there. Luckily that won't happen).

As for neighbors complaining about Section 8, they complain to both candidates. Difference is that Brown actually works for reform.

Finally, why would neighbors be complaining about Section 8 and why is Schwartz more likely to bring up reform if it's not a problem, Demotroll? You said that this isn't an issue so why are people bringing it up?

(Most amusing part of this: Demotroll doesn't even live in this district yet he wants to tell people who live in PA 13 what's an issue and what shouldn't be discussed.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 17, 2004, 12:12:00 AM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 17, 2004, 12:46:28 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 

Sure you don't think it's a top issue because you are losing on the issue. Go talk to a voter in NE Philly and list a bunch of issues. I bet most of them will put Section 8 either first or second on their priority list.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 17, 2004, 01:13:50 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 

Sure you don't think it's a top issue because you are losing on the issue. Go talk to a voter in NE Philly and list a bunch of issues. I bet most of them will put Section 8 either first or second on their priority list.

You are extenuating the issue because you know you're losing elsewhere.  At this point it's about 5th or 6th.  It would have probably been 2nd or 3rd in the late 1990s when all was going well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 17, 2004, 01:22:07 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 

Sure you don't think it's a top issue because you are losing on the issue. Go talk to a voter in NE Philly and list a bunch of issues. I bet most of them will put Section 8 either first or second on their priority list.

You are extenuating the issue because you know you're losing elsewhere.  At this point it's about 5th or 6th.  It would have probably been 2nd or 3rd in the late 1990s when all was going well.

Actually, tort reform is an issue we win on and we're focusing on that, too. I hope you go out and ask some voters around here what the top issues are. I doubt that you'll do it since you know Section 8 will be one of the top ones.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 17, 2004, 04:09:52 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 

Sure you don't think it's a top issue because you are losing on the issue. Go talk to a voter in NE Philly and list a bunch of issues. I bet most of them will put Section 8 either first or second on their priority list.

You are extenuating the issue because you know you're losing elsewhere.  At this point it's about 5th or 6th.  It would have probably been 2nd or 3rd in the late 1990s when all was going well.

Actually, tort reform is an issue we win on and we're focusing on that, too. I hope you go out and ask some voters around here what the top issues are. I doubt that you'll do it since you know Section 8 will be one of the top ones.

You're making it seem like Northeast Philadelphia is the exception to national issues and the economy.  News flash- IT'S NOT!  Section 8 has lost a lot of steram since the late 1990s and 2002's election.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 17, 2004, 08:50:39 PM
No, but I feel that you come off to be very racist when you talk about section 8. You think the 99% of people who live in section 8 household are drug dealers, prostitutes, and trash. To tell you something last weekend I went to a house where a nice african american women around her late 60s was. We started talking and she told me this house is a section 8 house and I said  to her o0o really I wouldnt even know since your a retired teacher and your husband is a carpenter. She said well her prescription drugs are way to high and it is to eleviate some of the costs. I said to her thank you because she said all these candidates these days want to bring up the section 8 issue when it is one of the smallest issues to bring up. I said thank you because she was a perfect example of a section 8 attendant who isnt the way you make them come off to be.

Whether you are a liberal Democrat or conservative Republican I think we can all (except for maybe you, Demotroll) agree that Section 8 is one of the top issues of this campaign.

One of the top issues?  I don't think so.  There were NE Dems that told me it is losing steam and Melissa is digging for garbage.  Yes it is an issue, but certainly not one of the top for a Congressional election. 

Sure you don't think it's a top issue because you are losing on the issue. Go talk to a voter in NE Philly and list a bunch of issues. I bet most of them will put Section 8 either first or second on their priority list.

You are extenuating the issue because you know you're losing elsewhere.  At this point it's about 5th or 6th.  It would have probably been 2nd or 3rd in the late 1990s when all was going well.

Actually, tort reform is an issue we win on and we're focusing on that, too. I hope you go out and ask some voters around here what the top issues are. I doubt that you'll do it since you know Section 8 will be one of the top ones.

You're making it seem like Northeast Philadelphia is the exception to national issues and the economy.  News flash- IT'S NOT!  Section 8 has lost a lot of steram since the late 1990s and 2002's election.

Newsflash: Brown discusses national issues and the economy too!

As for Section 8, I believe it has picked up more steam since 2002. I don't know who you talk to on the issues, IrishDem, but if you go to larger areas of the Northeast you'd see that Section 8 is the major issue.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 18, 2004, 01:48:30 PM
Well, your media loves to make it an issue.  The NRCC just sent a mailing out to my house saying how Kerry supports Section 8 and how he was trying to galvanize the African American base.  Now please tell me that isn't racial pandering?  I'm also happy to say there was a DSCC mailing saying Melissa Brown denied payment to many patients on her HMO.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 18, 2004, 03:11:57 PM
Well, your media loves to make it an issue.  The NRCC just sent a mailing out to my house saying how Kerry supports Section 8 and how he was trying to galvanize the African American base.  Now please tell me that isn't racial pandering?  I'm also happy to say there was a DSCC mailing saying Melissa Brown denied payment to many patients on her HMO.   

My media makes it an issue? Hello...IrishDem...the people of the Northeast think it's an issue!

As for the NRCC piece about Kerry, I haven't seen it but I do know that Kerry wants to expande Section 8 housing. That's a fact and I think that's what the NRCC was trying to get at.

As for the DSCC piece about Brown denying payment to patients, I don't believe it. Brown is one of the best doctors in this country and a very respected woman in the medical field. But if you want to play this game with Brown and her patients, shouldn't we also discuss the lawsuits against Schwartz's abortion clinics?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 19, 2004, 01:27:06 AM
Well, your media loves to make it an issue.  The NRCC just sent a mailing out to my house saying how Kerry supports Section 8 and how he was trying to galvanize the African American base.  Now please tell me that isn't racial pandering?  I'm also happy to say there was a DSCC mailing saying Melissa Brown denied payment to many patients on her HMO.   

My media makes it an issue? Hello...IrishDem...the people of the Northeast think it's an issue!

As for the NRCC piece about Kerry, I haven't seen it but I do know that Kerry wants to expande Section 8 housing. That's a fact and I think that's what the NRCC was trying to get at.

As for the DSCC piece about Brown denying payment to patients, I don't believe it. Brown is one of the best doctors in this country and a very respected woman in the medical field. But if you want to play this game with Brown and her patients, shouldn't we also discuss the lawsuits against Schwartz's abortion clinics?

What lawsuits against abortion clincs?  From old, retired, pro-life men with nothing better to do?  The ones that are collecting their pensions they could give two craps about younger workers. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 19, 2004, 02:05:03 PM
Well, your media loves to make it an issue.  The NRCC just sent a mailing out to my house saying how Kerry supports Section 8 and how he was trying to galvanize the African American base.  Now please tell me that isn't racial pandering?  I'm also happy to say there was a DSCC mailing saying Melissa Brown denied payment to many patients on her HMO.   

My media makes it an issue? Hello...IrishDem...the people of the Northeast think it's an issue!

As for the NRCC piece about Kerry, I haven't seen it but I do know that Kerry wants to expande Section 8 housing. That's a fact and I think that's what the NRCC was trying to get at.

As for the DSCC piece about Brown denying payment to patients, I don't believe it. Brown is one of the best doctors in this country and a very respected woman in the medical field. But if you want to play this game with Brown and her patients, shouldn't we also discuss the lawsuits against Schwartz's abortion clinics?

What lawsuits against abortion clincs?  From old, retired, pro-life men with nothing better to do? 

That's like saying "What lawsuits against Brown? From liberal Dems out to get her?"

I'm beginning to think that when things go against your candidate, it's always the old, retired pro-life men who are to blame. Give it a rest. As for the lawsuits against Schwartz, we may never know what they're about. She would have to release the info to the public. See what happens when someone wants to start the "release your records" game, IrishDem? You thought it was the greatest thing to have this campaign side tracked by demanding Brown give out records she had no control over. Now suddenly when there are lawsuits against someone you support it's bad and all the pro-lifers faults.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 20, 2004, 01:24:56 AM
Well, records are records.  I have another bone to pick with her.  Today I got a mailing saying how horrible Allyson Schwartz was for allowing a girl to get an abortion without parental consent.  Ok, say she got raped by her fahter.  Who is she supposed to tell?  Her father?  Her mother?  Either of them would KILL her.  Funny how Ms. Brownshirt is pro-choice. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on October 20, 2004, 01:02:02 PM
Some of Swartz's Senate positions are getting her in trouble.  I talked to a vote from the district today, Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 20, 2004, 01:18:35 PM
The "Ms. Brownshirt" stuff has gone too far now, IrishDem. Grow up.

Ok now about this parental notification before an abortion stuff... Brown is obviously taking the more responsible position. If a situation such as the one you speak of was to occur, it's obvious that the father's opinion in the matter will not matter since he raped her. The mother or some other relative should then be able to give their consent. Let's remember, though, that abortions for rape are extremely low but, yes, the scenario you presented is still possible.

Schwartz's vote was an irresponsible one. Voting against parental notification pretty much says that if you get pregnant, no matter how old you may be, you can get an abortion. Forget about what your guardians have to say, it's your decision. No 14 year old should be able to make that type of decision without the consent of their parents (and, in my opinion, if she willingly had sex she should have no decision to make. She had sex, she should have the baby....but our abortion debate is for another post...)

As I said before, the case you bring up can happen and in that case someone else (ex: a relative) should then give their consent. However, if you look at most of these cases were parental consent would be needed, rape by the father is rare.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 20, 2004, 01:20:40 PM
Some of Swartz's Senate positions are getting her in trouble.  I talked to a vote from the district today, Montco.

Yeah. People are starting to look at her record and it's clearly out of touch with this district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 20, 2004, 02:29:32 PM
The "Ms. Brownshirt" stuff has gone too far now, IrishDem. Grow up.

Ok now about this parental notification before an abortion stuff... Brown is obviously taking the more responsible position. If a situation such as the one you speak of was to occur, it's obvious that the father's opinion in the matter will not matter since he raped her. The mother or some other relative should then be able to give their consent. Let's remember, though, that abortions for rape are extremely low but, yes, the scenario you presented is still possible.

Schwartz's vote was an irresponsible one. Voting against parental notification pretty much says that if you get pregnant, no matter how old you may be, you can get an abortion. Forget about what your guardians have to say, it's your decision. No 14 year old should be able to make that type of decision without the consent of their parents (and, in my opinion, if she willingly had sex she should have no decision to make. She had sex, she should have the baby....but our abortion debate is for another post...)

As I said before, the case you bring up can happen and in that case someone else (ex: a relative) should then give their consent. However, if you look at most of these cases were parental consent would be needed, rape by the father is rare.

Well, first off I'd like to say the Northeast Times endorsed Allyson Schwartz.  You suggested otherwise.  It's funny how the SAME paper can endorse both her and Al Taubenberger.  Anyway, I favor Allyson's position on this matter and the death penalty.  I am also content with her position on Section 8 which the Times liked Allyson's position as well. 

Why do you think the mentality of the parent should come into play in determining someone's life?  I mean if a girl got pregnant at 14, has the kid at 15, it's her's until she's 33!  That means the rest of her education is shot and in turn her life is ruined.  I do not feel I should make the decision in placing that burden on someone if they are not ready.  With regards to Melissa Brown's position on this, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies of her pro-choice position.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 20, 2004, 02:46:22 PM
The "Ms. Brownshirt" stuff has gone too far now, IrishDem. Grow up.

Ok now about this parental notification before an abortion stuff... Brown is obviously taking the more responsible position. If a situation such as the one you speak of was to occur, it's obvious that the father's opinion in the matter will not matter since he raped her. The mother or some other relative should then be able to give their consent. Let's remember, though, that abortions for rape are extremely low but, yes, the scenario you presented is still possible.

Schwartz's vote was an irresponsible one. Voting against parental notification pretty much says that if you get pregnant, no matter how old you may be, you can get an abortion. Forget about what your guardians have to say, it's your decision. No 14 year old should be able to make that type of decision without the consent of their parents (and, in my opinion, if she willingly had sex she should have no decision to make. She had sex, she should have the baby....but our abortion debate is for another post...)

As I said before, the case you bring up can happen and in that case someone else (ex: a relative) should then give their consent. However, if you look at most of these cases were parental consent would be needed, rape by the father is rare.

Well, first off I'd like to say the Northeast Times endorsed Allyson Schwartz.  You suggested otherwise.  It's funny how the SAME paper can endorse both her and Al Taubenberger.  Anyway, I favor Allyson's position on this matter and the death penalty.  I am also content with her position on Section 8 which the Times liked Allyson's position as well. 

Why do you think the mentality of the parent should come into play in determining someone's life?  I mean if a girl got pregnant at 14, has the kid at 15, it's her's until she's 33!  That means the rest of her education is shot and in turn her life is ruined. 

Wow. I can't believe they endorsed Schwartz. I am speechless...seriously. Just remember though...they endorsed both Taubenberger and Torsella and both of them lost the primaries....

Now onto the abortion issue. If that girl got pregnant, that was on her. You say that her life is ruined...well if she feels her life is "ruined" by this child, she shouldn't have had sex.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 21, 2004, 01:23:07 AM

Wow. I can't believe they endorsed Schwartz. I am speechless...seriously. Just remember though...they endorsed both Taubenberger and Torsella and both of them lost the primaries....

Now onto the abortion issue. If that girl got pregnant, that was on her. You say that her life is ruined...well if she feels her life is "ruined" by this child, she shouldn't have had sex.

That may be a bad omen.  We'll wait and see.  I knew Taubenberger was gonna lose anyway.

In the first 2 trimesters, I feel she should have that option if she so chooses.  Difference of opinion there.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 23, 2004, 09:28:40 AM
Hey IrishDem, I know you like to compare Brown to Enron but how do you explain Schwartz and Enron? What am I talking about? Well...

Enron picked up the tab when Schwartz threw a party at the Democratic National Convention. (Philadelphia Daily News 2/1/02)

http://www.radicalallyson.com/miscellaneous.htm

Hmmmm now how did that go again? Brown and Enron? I don't think so...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 23, 2004, 06:39:29 PM
Hey IrishDem, I know you like to compare Brown to Enron but how do you explain Schwartz and Enron? What am I talking about? Well...

Enron picked up the tab when Schwartz threw a party at the Democratic National Convention. (Philadelphia Daily News 2/1/02)

http://www.radicalallyson.com/miscellaneous.htm

Hmmmm now how did that go again? Brown and Enron? I don't think so...

That web site is ridiculous!  The fact that your campaign has a child web site dedicated to sliming Allyson Schwartz is despciable.  Funny, I even agreed with some of Allyson's positions on here. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 23, 2004, 10:29:10 PM
Hey IrishDem, I know you like to compare Brown to Enron but how do you explain Schwartz and Enron? What am I talking about? Well...

Enron picked up the tab when Schwartz threw a party at the Democratic National Convention. (Philadelphia Daily News 2/1/02)

http://www.radicalallyson.com/miscellaneous.htm

Hmmmm now how did that go again? Brown and Enron? I don't think so...

That web site is ridiculous!  The fact that your campaign has a child web site dedicated to sliming Allyson Schwartz is despciable.  Funny, I even agreed with some of Allyson's positions on here. 

Oh how ridiculous that it points out facts, right IrishDem? Admit it...every time a fact about Schwartz's record comes out, all you guys can do is call it "sleaze" or "slime." Give it up. Admit that this is her record. Everything is cited for you now just accept it. Now why don't you address the point about Schwartz and Enron for me. I'll give you some time to come up with a few ridiculous reasons.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on October 24, 2004, 09:28:00 PM
I saw a poll putting schwartz up 13


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 24, 2004, 09:29:19 PM
I saw a poll putting schwartz up 13

It was probably the one from a month ago. IrishDem even admitted that poll wasn't realistic. Right now, I'd say Schwartz is up about 3 points...5 points at most.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 24, 2004, 10:25:25 PM
I saw a poll putting schwartz up 13

It was probably the one from a month ago. IrishDem even admitted that poll wasn't realistic. Right now, I'd say Schwartz is up about 3 points...5 points at most.

It underpolled men 55-45.  Realistically men would favor Brown moreso.  However, it also overpolled Republicans by 46-45.  Dsitrict is 45-45-10 registration.  Schwartz by 6-8, not 3-5 as KP would have you believe.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 25, 2004, 02:09:09 PM
I saw a poll putting schwartz up 13

It was probably the one from a month ago. IrishDem even admitted that poll wasn't realistic. Right now, I'd say Schwartz is up about 3 points...5 points at most.

It underpolled men 55-45.  Realistically men would favor Brown moreso.  However, it also overpolled Republicans by 46-45.  Dsitrict is 45-45-10 registration.  Schwartz by 6-8, not 3-5 as KP would have you believe.

You're right when you said it overpolled Republicans and that right there is where people should begin to think"Republicans going for a liberal like Schwartz?" It was a very bad poll.

Schwartz up 3 points now but she will lose on November 2nd.


Title: Blatent Gerrymandering
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 28, 2004, 03:12:56 AM
[link]http://www.seventy.org/maps/mapimages/13thUSHouse.pdf[/link]
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Another beef I have regarding this district is the blatent party lines/racial gerrymandering of the boundary between PA-1 and PA-13.  Take a look at the southern boundary of PA-13.  As you can see there is a nice convenient "bubble" between Oxford Ave and Roosevelt Blvd. on the Western side of the Blvd.  That area is HEAVILY Democratic and Johnnymander Perzel didn't want that in PA-13.  Also notice how along the Delaware River the district is dragged down south along the Amtrak Corridor.  On the east side of it = mostly white, conservative Democrats (many pissed at Section 8) with a solid scattering of Republicans while on the west side is mostly African American and again Democratic. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 29, 2004, 01:19:55 PM
Latest Keystone Poll has Schwartz - 47% and Brown - 32%.

These polls are just ridiculous. Brown...with only 32%? Give me a break.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 29, 2004, 01:45:15 PM
Latest Keystone Poll has Schwartz - 47% and Brown - 32%.

These polls are just ridiculous. Brown...with only 32%? Give me a break.

U.S. Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz!  I guess the people in between the lawn signs think they're annoying.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 29, 2004, 01:46:55 PM
Latest Keystone Poll has Schwartz - 47% and Brown - 32%.

These polls are just ridiculous. Brown...with only 32%? Give me a break.

U.S. Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz!  I guess the people in between the lawn signs think they're annoying.

Do you believe that Brown only has 32%?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on October 29, 2004, 02:49:08 PM
Where do you guys live on that map?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 29, 2004, 02:55:09 PM

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I live North of that I-95 sign (right near the border).

If I'm not mistaken, I believe IrishDem lives in the Rhawnhurt section of the NE so he would be around that Route 1 sign. We don't live very far from each other.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 29, 2004, 10:02:34 PM
About a hair below the lower-left corner of the US 1 sign. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 31, 2004, 07:05:48 PM
A Public Message to KeystonePhil:

The last few months have been the best of times and worst of times.  Overall, this has been a good debate regarding this Congressional District.  When you and TeenGOP entered the Forum, I was excited.  I said to myself "sh**t, I got company from my own backyard."  I am going to admit this...  You caught a lot of frustration I have with regards to my own father poltiically.  I apologize for the times I have been a little nuts.  He is regrettably voting for Melissa Brown on Tuesday. 

These debates will not be over.  We have two more races to discuss in the long run: Santorum vs. ????? (D, hopefully not Hafer) in 2006 for Senate and ?????(D, hopefully Jon Saidel) and ?????(R, probably Rizzo Jr.) for Philadelphia Mayor in 2007.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 01, 2004, 01:42:36 AM
A Public Message to IrishDem:

The last few months really have been the best of times and worst of times. There have been many occassions when we could discuss, in a civil manner, the district, the campaign and how it would play out. Other times were not so great.

I, too, feel that overall our PA 13 debate was a good debate. No...a great debate. We have built the best debate on the forum. Northeast Philadelphia and PA 13 is the most recognized area on the forum. I am proud to say that and I hope you are too.

As for your frustration, this is politics. Sometimes you went overboard with your comments. Some things were very inappropriate but I hope those comments don't come back again so let's not spend time discussing that. As for your father, he is a good man voting for Melissa Brown  :)

These debates are not over. Not only do we have Santorum in 2006, Rendell in 2006 and whoever vs. whoever for Mayor in 2007, we still have two days to argue back and forth until the polls close.

About five months ago, a guy we both know with the member name TeenGOP started a thread dedicated to Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional district. No one knew how far and how famous this thread would get. No one. It has been interesting, IrishDem, and no matter who the winner is on Tuesday, let the debate continue.

(Later on I will be posting my predictions for the local races.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 01, 2004, 04:20:00 AM
A Public Message to IrishDem:

The last few months really have been the best of times and worst of times. There have been many occassions when we could discuss, in a civil manner, the district, the campaign and how it would play out. Other times were not so great.

I, too, feel that overall our PA 13 debate was a good debate. No...a great debate. We have built the best debate on the forum. Northeast Philadelphia and PA 13 is the most recognized area on the forum. I am proud to say that and I hope you are too.

As for your frustration, this is politics. Sometimes you went overboard with your comments. Some things were very inappropriate but I hope those comments don't come back again so let's not spend time discussing that. As for your father, he is a good man voting for Melissa Brown  :)

These debates are not over. Not only do we have Santorum in 2006, Rendell in 2006 and whoever vs. whoever for Mayor in 2007, we still have two days to argue back and forth until the polls close.

About five months ago, a guy we both know with the member name TeenGOP started a thread dedicated to Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional district. No one knew how far and how famous this thread would get. No one. It has been interesting, IrishDem, and no matter who the winner is on Tuesday, let the debate continue.

(Later on I will be posting my predictions for the local races.)

I don't know when my final message before the campaign was going to be so I figured I'd post it.  Yes, it is great Northeast Philadelphia is highly visible on here and I'm proud we made it that.  Before you came in here I was the lone Northeast Philadelphian.  Granted we had bullmoose88 from Bucks County, but his knowledge on this area was limited.  More times than none he sided with me against supersoulty who was my PA rival until you came.  Funny it was me and Wakie from Pittsburgh as allies versus supersoulty and DarthKosh.  That was just prior to the primaries when the Specter-Toomey debates on here were flaring up.  I could take little part and had my eyes focused on Joe Torsella to beat Allyson Schwartz at the time.  I will admit to you that I visited both websites to make an informed decision and came to the conclusion Allyson Schwartz overemphasized her feminist accomplishements while Joe Torsella had a lot of accomplishments and had a lot of good plans.  The carpetbagging bothered me a bit then.  Funny I knew how disappointed you were when Pat Toomey lost on April 27th and I was feeling similar pain when Joe Torsella lost.  I seriously thought the Dems chances for holding PA-13 may have been shot that night.  It was a shame Howard Dean didn't win and my vote didn't really matter.  Just thought I'd rehash some Forum history with you.   

My predictions on local races:

PA-5 Senate

Stack (D): 55%
Mirarchi (R): 45%

PA-170 House

Boyle (D): 52%
Kenney (R): 48%

PA-172 House

Perzel (R): 67%
Kearney (D): 33%

PA- 152, 169, 173, 174, 177, 179, and 202 are not worth discussing

US House PA-6 (My upset)

Murphy (D): 50.1%
Gerlach (R): 49.5%
other: 0.4%

US House PA-8

Fitzpatrick (R): 54% 
Schrader (D): 44%
other: 2%

Note:  I didn't want to admit this, but driving up there is forcing me admit these results.  Sorry Mark, Ginny will not prevail.  They should have put up better, but then again shame on Greenwood for pulling such a sh!t move.  The Dems should have carpetbagged Joe Torsella.
I still feel this SHOULD have been a Dem pickup considering Fitz.

US House PA-13.. Drum roll please

Schwartz (D): 53%
Brown (R): 45%
McDerMoulton: 2%

US House PA-1, 2, and 7 are not worth discussing.  I have little knowledge on PA-15 and 16.  I will comment on PA-15 though.  Joe Driscoll was a strong candidate.  The carpetbagging was unfortunate.  Charlie Dent will win, but I don't know by how much.  Had he run in PA-6, 8, or 15 AND ACTUALLY LIVED THERE he could have won any of those.  PA delegation will pick up one seat and have 11 Reps and 8 Dems.  That is considering a Murphy upset otherwise a push.

Pennsylvania US Senate

Specter (R): 47%
Hoeffel (D): 45%
Clymer (C); 7%
Summers (L): 1%

Also note that Perzel's Junior YR Army is now going to be challenged here in the Great Northeast.  Mark is doing an incredible job with recruiting and us Young Dems are as well.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 01, 2004, 09:01:47 AM
Predictions for Local Races

State Senate (5th district)

Mirarchi - 50%
Stack - 50%

Mirarchi win by just a few hundred votes.

State House (170th district)

Kenney - 53%
Boyle - 47%

PA 8

Fitzpatrick - 56%
Schrader - 42%
Others - 2%

(I still have no idea what Mark was thinking all the times he said "Ginny will prevail.")

U.S. Senate

Specter - 53%
Hoeffel - 40%
Clymer - 6%
Summers - 1%

....and finally....Phil's PA 13 predicition.....

Brown - 49%
Schwartz - 48%
McDermott - 2%
Moulton - 1%

It's going to be a close race, IrishDem. Brown will have an awesome GOTV effort and that is what will make her victorious.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on November 01, 2004, 02:33:53 PM
There is only one question that will tell who wins PA-13; when will it start to rain there?

BTW:  I've been watching from the sidelines.  It has an outstanding debate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2004, 12:11:22 PM
Sorry to hear about Melissa Brown losing Keystone, but at least give us this seat.  We more importantly lost the Presidency.  I will say I would have traded this slight moral victory for John Kerry.  You probably thought I'd be gloating, but I won't.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2004, 12:38:04 PM
Sorry to hear about Melissa Brown losing Keystone, but at least give us this seat.  We more importantly lost the Presidency.  I will say I would have traded this slight moral victory for John Kerry.  You probably thought I'd be gloating, but I won't.

Hey, good for you! Classy.

Thanks, but I'm more saddened by John Kerry's loss if anything.  Man, was I ever wrapped up in this race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2004, 12:50:46 PM
Sorry to hear about Melissa Brown losing Keystone, but at least give us this seat.  We more importantly lost the Presidency.  I will say I would have traded this slight moral victory for John Kerry.  You probably thought I'd be gloating, but I won't.

Well I thank you for not gloating. This was a big loss. 56% for Schwartz and only 41% for Brown. It's tough. I was only a few feet away when she conceded and kept thinking to myself "How did we lose...and by this much?"

Mirarchi also went down...big. 66% to 34%. Wow. I thought that if he was going to lose, he'd lose by at most 6 - 8 points. This was another big disappointment.

However, there are a few races that I am pleased with but I won't gloat either. I know you spent a good amount of your time working with Boyle. Let me tell you...I wasn't expecting that big of a win for Kenney.

I doubt this thread ends here. We'll continue to look over the results and try to explain the outcome of these races. But I think, for now, we shoudld both respect each other since we suffered some tough defeats last night.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2004, 01:25:50 PM
Sorry to hear about Melissa Brown losing Keystone, but at least give us this seat.  We more importantly lost the Presidency.  I will say I would have traded this slight moral victory for John Kerry.  You probably thought I'd be gloating, but I won't.

Well I thank you for not gloating. This was a big loss. 56% for Schwartz and only 41% for Brown. It's tough. I was only a few feet away when she conceded and kept thinking to myself "How did we lose...and by this much?"

Mirarchi also went down...big. 66% to 34%. Wow. I thought that if he was going to lose, he'd lose by at most 6 - 8 points. This was another big disappointment.

However, there are a few races that I am pleased with but I won't gloat either. I know you spent a good amount of your time working with Boyle. Let me tell you...I wasn't expecting that big of a win for Kenney.

I doubt this thread ends here. We'll continue to look over the results and try to explain the outcome of these races. But I think, for now, we shoudld both respect each other since we suffered some tough defeats last night.

Yes, I was also disappointed about the Boyle race.  I worked all day yesterday to ensure his victory.  Kenney had resources on him 10 to 1.  I even had a Stack woman tell me how great Kenney was and voted for him.  She didn't even know who Boyle was running against.  I showed her the lit and she said "he's a doll, looks like Tom Cruise".  This was a VERY tough defeat considering the Boyles (Brendan and Kevin) worked their asses off.  Rest assure, Brendan will be back.  If Kenney were to retire or take another job, Brendan would pick up this seat easily.  I will also say Mirarchi isn't done either.  I talked to a lot of his people and it sounds like he is on the rise as well.           

With regards to the Schwartz-Brown race, I'm surprised you got beat by almost 23 points in Northeast Philadelphia and 8 in Montco.  I was expecting the 8 in Montco, but not 23 in Philly. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2004, 01:42:37 PM
Sorry to hear about Melissa Brown losing Keystone, but at least give us this seat.  We more importantly lost the Presidency.  I will say I would have traded this slight moral victory for John Kerry.  You probably thought I'd be gloating, but I won't.

Well I thank you for not gloating. This was a big loss. 56% for Schwartz and only 41% for Brown. It's tough. I was only a few feet away when she conceded and kept thinking to myself "How did we lose...and by this much?"

Mirarchi also went down...big. 66% to 34%. Wow. I thought that if he was going to lose, he'd lose by at most 6 - 8 points. This was another big disappointment.

However, there are a few races that I am pleased with but I won't gloat either. I know you spent a good amount of your time working with Boyle. Let me tell you...I wasn't expecting that big of a win for Kenney.

I doubt this thread ends here. We'll continue to look over the results and try to explain the outcome of these races. But I think, for now, we shoudld both respect each other since we suffered some tough defeats last night.

Yes, I was also disappointed about the Boyle race.  I worked all day yesterday to ensure his victory.  Kenney had resources on him 10 to 1.  I even had a Stack woman tell me how great Kenney was and voted for him.  She didn't even know who Boyle was running against.  I showed her the lit and she said "he's a doll, looks like Tom Cruise".  This was a VERY tough defeat considering the Boyles (Brendan and Kevin) worked their asses off.  Rest assure, Brendan will be back.  If Kenney were to retire or take another job, Brendan would pick up this seat easily.  I will also say Mirarchi isn't done either.  I talked to a lot of his people and it sounds like he is on the rise as well.           

With regards to the Schwartz-Brown race, I'm surprised you got beat by almost 23 points in Northeast Philadelphia and 8 in Montco.  I was expecting the 8 in Montco, but not 23 in Philly. 

I was at my polling place yesterday for Brown. After voting, a lady up to me saying "I didn't want to tell you this as I was coming in but I voted all Republican..." As I began to thank her, she interupted me saying, "...except for Brown." I was in shock. I had no idea what to say. My division really disappointed me. I did so much work for Brown as opposed to only two visits from Schwartz volunteers. In the end, Schwartz took my division by 40 votes. Mirarchi's campaign also did a few lit drops in my division and Sam actually canvassed here, too. Stack did nothing. Stack won by a comfortable margin. The reason why Schwartz and Stack won (not just in my division but overall) was because so many pushed the straight Dem button.

I do believe that both Boyle and Mirarchi will be back. Who knows...when Kenney is done, maybe it'll be Boyle vs. Mirarchi for State Rep.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2004, 02:44:16 PM

I do believe that both Boyle and Mirarchi will be back. Who knows...when Kenney is done, maybe it'll be Boyle vs. Mirarchi for State Rep.

I was about to say that.  Yes, that would be an interesting race where two young, highly qualified men would get a lot of local attention.  That race would be known throughout the Philadelphia area.  I'm going to be a little biased here and say Boyle would win, but who knows.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2004, 05:14:23 PM
Schwartz hasn't even been sworn in as a member of Congress (yeah it's hard saying that) and look what the rumors are for her in 2006...


The lesson to be learned from this election is that Senator Rick Santorum is going to be in an extremely tough 2006 race if he faces a Philadelphia area Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz.

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/2004/battleground200411031223.asp

If it's Santorum vs. Schwartz, it's a landslide victory for Santorum.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: raggage on November 03, 2004, 05:20:52 PM
Schwartz hasn't even been sworn in as a member of Congress (yeah it's hard saying that) and look what the rumors are for her in 2006...


The lesson to be learned from this election is that Senator Rick Santorum is going to be in an extremely tough 2006 race if he faces a Philadelphia area Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz.

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/2004/battleground200411031223.asp

If it's Santorum vs. Schwartz, it's a landslide victory for Santorum.

Well I doubt very much Schwartz will run. But I think that a moderate democrat, even Rendell would win a Senate race against Santorum.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2004, 08:43:29 PM
Schwartz hasn't even been sworn in as a member of Congress (yeah it's hard saying that) and look what the rumors are for her in 2006...


The lesson to be learned from this election is that Senator Rick Santorum is going to be in an extremely tough 2006 race if he faces a Philadelphia area Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz.

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/2004/battleground200411031223.asp

If it's Santorum vs. Schwartz, it's a landslide victory for Santorum.

Well I doubt very much Schwartz will run. But I think that a moderate democrat, even Rendell would win a Senate race against Santorum.

Rendell isn't that popular anymore. And something you guys from out of state fail to realize is that while you don't like Santorum, he is a popular guy here. A pro life Dem could give him a good run but the pro choice groups will fund  a pro abortion rights candidate in the primary. I know how much Dems would love to replace Santorum but it won't happen (especially with Barbara Hafer as the likely nominee).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 04, 2004, 02:49:06 AM
Schwartz hasn't even been sworn in as a member of Congress (yeah it's hard saying that) and look what the rumors are for her in 2006...


The lesson to be learned from this election is that Senator Rick Santorum is going to be in an extremely tough 2006 race if he faces a Philadelphia area Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz.

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/2004/battleground200411031223.asp

If it's Santorum vs. Schwartz, it's a landslide victory for Santorum.

I want Schwartz to stay here for a while.  I know Melissa Brown is not the only cnadidate that could run in this seat.  Ellen Bard or God forbid John Perzel would bedecent candidates.  Perzel has built a power base in the Northeast and maybe a threat.  IHMO, Schwartz was lucky to win PA-13.  Yeah, it was by a comfy margin, but I have to admit I was worried.  In a conservative rest of PA, a Barbara Boxer Democrat can not win Pennsylvania.  The dynamics are there for California, but not PA despite the fact Santorum is an asshole.  At very least, Allyson Schwartz will need to wait until 2010 to even consider a run if Arlen Specter retires.  By then I'm hoping the Philadelphia suburbs will be solidly Democratic and the Pittsburgh area holds steady at least.  Also, a lot of liberal New Yorkers are moving into Northeastern PA and could add Democratic votes there as well.  I should also say EVERYTHING I just said needs to happen: Philly suburban Dem trend+Pittsburgh hold+New York migration=Allyson Schwartz possibilty in 2010.  Joe Hoeffel should re-run in 2006.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 04, 2004, 05:34:09 PM
Schwartz hasn't even been sworn in as a member of Congress (yeah it's hard saying that) and look what the rumors are for her in 2006...


The lesson to be learned from this election is that Senator Rick Santorum is going to be in an extremely tough 2006 race if he faces a Philadelphia area Joe Hoeffel or Allyson Schwartz.

http://www.nationalreview.com/battleground/2004/battleground200411031223.asp

If it's Santorum vs. Schwartz, it's a landslide victory for Santorum.

I want Schwartz to stay here for a while.  I know Melissa Brown is not the only cnadidate that could run in this seat.  Ellen Bard or God forbid John Perzel would bedecent candidates.  Perzel has built a power base in the Northeast and maybe a threat.  IHMO, Schwartz was lucky to win PA-13.  Yeah, it was by a comfy margin, but I have to admit I was worried.  In a conservative rest of PA, a Barbara Boxer Democrat can not win Pennsylvania.  The dynamics are there for California, but not PA despite the fact Santorum is an asshole.  At very least, Allyson Schwartz will need to wait until 2010 to even consider a run if Arlen Specter retires.  By then I'm hoping the Philadelphia suburbs will be solidly Democratic and the Pittsburgh area holds steady at least.  Also, a lot of liberal New Yorkers are moving into Northeastern PA and could add Democratic votes there as well.  I should also say EVERYTHING I just said needs to happen: Philly suburban Dem trend+Pittsburgh hold+New York migration=Allyson Schwartz possibilty in 2010.  Joe Hoeffel should re-run in 2006.     

Bard would not be a decent candidate. You guys would have no trouble beating her. Perzel for Congress...won't happen. He is Speaker of the House and won't be giving that up anytime soon. I'm not joking when I say this...Brown could be back in 2006. We have to wait and see though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 04, 2004, 05:39:15 PM

Rendell isn't that popular anymore. And something you guys from out of state fail to realize is that while you don't like Santorum, he is a popular guy here. A pro life Dem could give him a good run but the pro choice groups will fund  a pro abortion rights candidate in the primary. I know how much Dems would love to replace Santorum but it won't happen (especially with Barbara Hafer as the likely nominee).

What chance do think the new State Treasurer would have against Santorum?

Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.

As for the outgoing Dem then Republican then Dem again State Treasurer Barbara Hafer, I think she is the likely nominee in two years. She'll have the money and support from Rendell. Hafer vs. Santorum - The best idea for the Dems (that is, if they want to keep Rick in the Senate for six more years)   :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 05, 2004, 11:54:35 PM
McGeehan's seat going R?????  Fat chance!  John Taylor's seat would also go Democrat if he were to retire.  Taylor got VERY lucky in 1984 because the Dem incumbent was supposedly an utter joke.  PA-177 is not a normally Republican area of Philadelphia.  Taylor is very popular there, but he has no Republican successor.  I know John Perzel has a small army, but then again big labor can put up someone as well if even ehr were to retire. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 06, 2004, 09:00:33 AM
McGeehan's seat going R?????  Fat chance!  John Taylor's seat would also go Democrat if he were to retire.  Taylor got VERY lucky in 1984 because the Dem incumbent was supposedly an utter joke.  PA-177 is not a normally Republican area of Philadelphia.  Taylor is very popular there, but he has no Republican successor.  I know John Perzel has a small army, but then again big labor can put up someone as well if even ehr were to retire. 

Yes, McGeehan's seat would go GOP. I'll agree with you about Taylor's seat but don't worry...he'll be there for awhile. It's staying GOP. I'll agree with you about Perzel's seat to...kind of. When Perzel retires the unions will put up someone but it's not a guarenteed Dem seat. Remember, Perzel redistricted his seat to be a pro-Republican district. It'll be close election once the Speaker retires. But, like Taylor, Perzel isn't going anywhere. These guys are young. Get used to them.

I'd like to have your reasoning as to why McGeehan's seat would definetley stay Dem. (Remember, I'm saying it would go GOP if McGeehan leaves. He might be running for Joan's council seat in 2007.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 06, 2004, 03:38:53 PM
McGeehan's seat going R?????  Fat chance!  John Taylor's seat would also go Democrat if he were to retire.  Taylor got VERY lucky in 1984 because the Dem incumbent was supposedly an utter joke.  PA-177 is not a normally Republican area of Philadelphia.  Taylor is very popular there, but he has no Republican successor.  I know John Perzel has a small army, but then again big labor can put up someone as well if even ehr were to retire. 

Yes, McGeehan's seat would go GOP. I'll agree with you about Taylor's seat but don't worry...he'll be there for awhile. It's staying GOP. I'll agree with you about Perzel's seat to...kind of. When Perzel retires the unions will put up someone but it's not a guarenteed Dem seat. Remember, Perzel redistricted his seat to be a pro-Republican district. It'll be close election once the Speaker retires. But, like Taylor, Perzel isn't going anywhere. These guys are young. Get used to them.

I'd like to have your reasoning as to why McGeehan's seat would definetley stay Dem. (Remember, I'm saying it would go GOP if McGeehan leaves. He might be running for Joan's council seat in 2007.)

McGeehan's district is very heavily Democratic and unionized in registration.  Same with Taylor's.  Perzel's would likely stay Republican.  I will concede on that point. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 10, 2004, 11:08:40 PM
Just when everyone  thought the PA 13 thread would die...  :P

I have a question for IrishDem: If Joe Torsella ran against Schwartz in the 2006 Democratic primary (I know it's unlikely but who knows...) who would you support?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 11, 2004, 01:29:48 AM
Just when everyone  thought the PA 13 thread would die...  :P

I have a question for IrishDem: If Joe Torsella ran against Schwartz in the 2006 Democratic primary (I know it's unlikely but who knows...) who would you support?

Depends on the job Allyson Schwartz is doing.  It would be hard to axe an incumbent.  I doubt she'll have a challenger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2004, 10:51:15 AM
Just when everyone  thought the PA 13 thread would die...  :P

I have a question for IrishDem: If Joe Torsella ran against Schwartz in the 2006 Democratic primary (I know it's unlikely but who knows...) who would you support?

Depends on the job Allyson Schwartz is doing.  It would be hard to axe an incumbent.  I doubt she'll have a challenger.

It would be very hard to beat an incumbent member of the House in a primary but wait and see the votes she makes. Her views are out of touch with this district (I don't care if you support her...you have to admit her views are out of touch) and might be seen as a weak general election candidate. If she becomes as vocal as Nancy Pelosi on some controversial issues, PA 13 will not respond in a positive manner so while a Dem primary challenger is unlikely, it remains possible.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2004, 11:46:34 AM
Open seat in '06?

It seems like the idea of Schwartz running for Senate in two years isn't that far-fetched after all.

From the News Gleaner:

Political insiders believe Schwartz will use the seat to catapult into a senate race against Rick Santorum in 2006. Last week she flatly rejected that idea.

http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2340&dept_id=488592&newsid=13341932&PAG=461&rfi=9

Sure she "flatly" rejects the idea but it's clear that Schwartz has abmitions that go past the House of Representatives. Remember her 2000 Senate primary? That's where she wants to be. IF she runs for Senate in 2006 you can forget about the pro choice groups backing Hafer...Schwartz is their ideal candidate. Ah...a Schwartz vs. Hafer primary - The battle over who gets to lose to Rick Santorum  :)

In the case of an open PA 13 seat, expect Torsella to run again and if he is the nominee, I'll concede that he would probably win the race (atleast he would be an improvement over Schwartz.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 11, 2004, 02:10:49 PM
Open seat in '06?

It seems like the idea of Schwartz running for Senate in two years isn't that far-fetched after all.

From the News Gleaner:

Political insiders believe Schwartz will use the seat to catapult into a senate race against Rick Santorum in 2006. Last week she flatly rejected that idea.

http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2340&dept_id=488592&newsid=13341932&PAG=461&rfi=9

Sure she "flatly" rejects the idea but it's clear that Schwartz has abmitions that go past the House of Representatives. Remember her 2000 Senate primary? That's where she wants to be. IF she runs for Senate in 2006 you can forget about the pro choice groups backing Hafer...Schwartz is their ideal candidate. Ah...a Schwartz vs. Hafer primary - The battle over who gets to lose to Rick Santorum  :)

In the case of an open PA 13 seat, expect Torsella to run again and if he is the nominee, I'll concede that he would probably win the race (atleast he would be an improvement over Schwartz.)

In that case I would wholeheartedly support Joe Torsella again.  How do you know Schwartz would lose to Santorum?  She is about as left as Santorum is right.  In fact I think Santorum is more right than Schwartz is left. 

What votes??? Taxes? Labor regulations?  Abortion?  I think she is more in touch with PA-13 on those issues than most R's.  I will concede abortion to Melissa Brown.  Her views were more moderate.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2004, 02:36:08 PM
Open seat in '06?

It seems like the idea of Schwartz running for Senate in two years isn't that far-fetched after all.

From the News Gleaner:

Political insiders believe Schwartz will use the seat to catapult into a senate race against Rick Santorum in 2006. Last week she flatly rejected that idea.

http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=2340&dept_id=488592&newsid=13341932&PAG=461&rfi=9

Sure she "flatly" rejects the idea but it's clear that Schwartz has abmitions that go past the House of Representatives. Remember her 2000 Senate primary? That's where she wants to be. IF she runs for Senate in 2006 you can forget about the pro choice groups backing Hafer...Schwartz is their ideal candidate. Ah...a Schwartz vs. Hafer primary - The battle over who gets to lose to Rick Santorum  :)

In the case of an open PA 13 seat, expect Torsella to run again and if he is the nominee, I'll concede that he would probably win the race (atleast he would be an improvement over Schwartz.)

In that case I would wholeheartedly support Joe Torsella again.  How do you know Schwartz would lose to Santorum?  She is about as left as Santorum is right.  In fact I think Santorum is more right than Schwartz is left. 

What votes??? Taxes? Labor regulations?  Abortion?  I think she is more in touch with PA-13 on those issues than most R's.  I will concede abortion to Melissa Brown.  Her views were more moderate.   

Even you have admitted that Schwartz is another Nancy Pelosi and that would not go over well with Pennsylvania voters. It would be like 2000 all over again for Santorum except it might, just might, be easier.

As for Schwartz being out of touch with PA 13, I'll admit that will have a good bond with the Unions. They'll agree with her on labor regulations. But on many other issues, voters won't feel that comfortable with her. You brought up taxes. Well...if your average PA 13 voter thinks that Schwartz's vote to tax items like tiolet paper was a good idea, then she's in touch. I doubt the average voter is pleased with that. Schwartz also supports the current City Wage Tax. I doubt the average voter agrees with that stance either.

We'll have to see exactly how many out of touch votes she casts while in the House. But the unfortunate thing is that I know there will be far too many.

Need a good laugh? Here's a quote from Schwartz:  "I am a moderate Democrat." from the Nov. 7th edition of the Inquirer.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 11, 2004, 04:07:05 PM
I read that article as well.  I will agree with you that Torsella is more in touch with the district than Allyson Scwhartz.  I do not think Allyson is horribly liberal as you so put it.  Granted she will be very close to Nancy Pelosi.  I actually like Nancy Pelosi.  I don't think she's anti-business and social liberal.  Perfect for me.  I will say this again... My ideology is in between Allyson Schwartz and Joe Torsella.  Torsella's electability is what pushed me towards him even though there were some things I agree with Schwartz on over him such as the death penalty.  Then again I knew the "cop mentality" of NE Philly would likely not go for it.  That was my thought process in this.       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2004, 05:22:37 PM
Granted she will be very close to Nancy Pelosi.  I actually like Nancy Pelosi.  I don't think she's anti-business and social liberal.  Perfect for me.  I will say this again... My ideology is in between Allyson Schwartz and Joe Torsella. 

Well you may like Nancy Pelosi but she doesn't represent your average PA 13 voter. Not even close.

Let's say there is no open seat in 2006 and Torsella challenges Schwartz is the primary. Let's also say the GOP is putting up a weak candidate. If these two things happen (unlikely to happen. I sure hope we don't put up a weak candidate!) I will ask every Dem that I know to support Torsella. Now in the general it would be a different story. I'd ask the voters to support the Republican (as long as it isn't someone like Ellen Bard..ugh) but chances are if Torsella ever gets to a general election in this district, he would win. Torsella would be a big improvement over Schwartz, no doubt.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 12, 2004, 02:56:36 AM
You may laugh at me for saying this, but considering how far right Congress has become, I'm now glad Schwartz is in there.  She is far left, but will tug the House in that direction and will make a lot of noise.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 12, 2004, 02:32:32 PM
You may laugh at me for saying this, but considering how far right Congress has become, I'm now glad Schwartz is in there.  She is far left, but will tug the House in that direction and will make a lot of noise.

I agree, she will make a lot of noise. That will hurt her popularity here in PA 13. And if she decides to run for Senate, she's done. She won't be able to win statewide.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 12, 2004, 02:49:11 PM
You may laugh at me for saying this, but considering how far right Congress has become, I'm now glad Schwartz is in there.  She is far left, but will tug the House in that direction and will make a lot of noise.

I agree, she will make a lot of noise. That will hurt her popularity here in PA 13. And if she decides to run for Senate, she's done. She won't be able to win statewide.

Are you sure about that?  Glad to have her over Bob Borski even.  So Borski was pro-life.  I the NE residents want someone to make noise in Congress.  She'll be fine.  I realize this isn't San Francisco, but compared to a good part of PA or even the nation, we are a left-leaning district.  I know you and a handful of others don't like that, but Schwartz got a lot of Republican support in Montco.  Now that you mentioned it, I'll give my takes on what COULD have happened:

Torsella 61
Brown 36
McDerMoulton 3

Torsella 53
Bard 44
other 3

Torsella wins NE, Bard wins Montco

Torsella 64
Taubenberger 35
Moulton 1

N.B.  There would be no McDermott if Taubenberger won

Schwartz 51
Bard 47
other 2

Yep, this would have been the closest. 

Schwartz 59
Taubenberger 40
Moulton 1


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 12, 2004, 02:57:36 PM
You may laugh at me for saying this, but considering how far right Congress has become, I'm now glad Schwartz is in there.  She is far left, but will tug the House in that direction and will make a lot of noise.

I agree, she will make a lot of noise. That will hurt her popularity here in PA 13. And if she decides to run for Senate, she's done. She won't be able to win statewide.

Are you sure about that?  Glad to have her over Bob Borski even.  So Borski was pro-life.  I the NE residents want someone to make noise in Congress.  She'll be fine.  I realize this isn't San Francisco, but compared to a good part of PA or even the nation, we are a left-leaning district.  I know you and a handful of others don't like that, but Schwartz got a lot of Republican support in Montco.

Yes I'm sure that if she is a vocal leftist she will become unpopular. Sure the voters of PA 13 was a strong voice but they don't want a voice for something they disagree with. And I know that statewide the voters wouldn't go for her either. Hafer would have a better chance than Schwartrz.

Quote
Now that you mentioned it, I'll give my takes on what COULD have happened:

Torsella 61
Brown 36
McDerMoulton 3

Torsella 53
Bard 44
other 3

Torsella wins NE, Bard wins Montco

Torsella 64
Taubenberger 35
Moulton 1

N.B.  There would be no McDermott if Taubenberger won

Schwartz 51
Bard 47
other 2

Yep, this would have been the closest. 

Schwartz 59
Taubenberger 40
Moulton 1

My opinion on what COULD have happened:

Torsella - 58
Brown - 40
Others - 2

Torsella - 60
Bard - 38
Others - 2

(A good amount of Philly Republicans would have went for Torsella)

Torsella - 65
Taubenberger - 34
Others - 1

(I agree no McDermott is Taub. won the primary)

Schwartz - 55
Bard - 40
McDermott - 4
Moulton - 1

(Bard is a joke. Schwartz would win by a comfortable margin. McDermott doubles his 2002 numbers since there are two strong pro choice candidates on the ballot.)

Schwartz - 58
Taubenberger - 41
Moulton - 1


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 12, 2004, 03:03:47 PM
Man do you ever have severe disdain for Ellen Bard.  I actually think she would have did well considering she had an 80% approval rating in her State House district when she left.  Yes, the Northeast would vote drastically more Democratic, but Montco would sitck with the GOP had it been Ellen Bard.  Remember, Eastern Montco (Abington/Lower Moreland/Jenkintown) gave Schwartz a good margin.  Bard would have cut into that deeply. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 12, 2004, 03:25:17 PM
Man do you ever have severe disdain for Ellen Bard.  I actually think she would have did well considering she had an 80% approval rating in her State House district when she left.  Yes, the Northeast would vote drastically more Democratic, but Montco would sitck with the GOP had it been Ellen Bard.  Remember, Eastern Montco (Abington/Lower Moreland/Jenkintown) gave Schwartz a good margin.  Bard would have cut into that deeply. 

Bard is a liberal Republican who, just like Schwartz, twisted things Brown said. She did have an 80% approval rating in her State House district but other than that, people didn't know her or didn't like her. I could never imagine her in NE Philly for a campaign event. As for Montco, she might have done alittle bit better than Brown but she'd do worse in Philadelphia (compared to Brown) so it would still equal out to a 14-15 point loss for Bard.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 17, 2004, 05:40:15 PM
Since this has become the official "Post anything about Philly/PA 13/Pennsylvania politics" thread, I thought I should post this (It'll certainly grab your attention IrishDem)...

In today's NE Times, Brendan Boyle wrote a letter thanking the voters of the 170th House district even after a landslide defeat. That most interesting part of the article - the end. Editor's note stated that Boyle has made plans about a 2006 run for Kenney's seat. So it seems like even Kenney doesn't retire, Boyle will be a candidate. Comments, IrishDem?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 18, 2004, 04:04:34 AM
Since this has become the official "Post anything about Philly/PA 13/Pennsylvania politics" thread, I thought I should post this (It'll certainly grab your attention IrishDem)...

In today's NE Times, Brendan Boyle wrote a letter thanking the voters of the 170th House district even after a landslide defeat. That most interesting part of the article - the end. Editor's note stated that Boyle has made plans about a 2006 run for Kenney's seat. So it seems like even Kenney doesn't retire, Boyle will be a candidate. Comments, IrishDem?

Boyle will make another run.  He has told me personally.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ?????????? on November 18, 2004, 10:23:48 AM
The election, is over you can stop now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 18, 2004, 02:59:27 PM

Oh I understand. The election is over so no more discussion. No more politics. I guess we shouldn't even bother with this forum, right?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 18, 2004, 03:00:20 PM
Since this has become the official "Post anything about Philly/PA 13/Pennsylvania politics" thread, I thought I should post this (It'll certainly grab your attention IrishDem)...

In today's NE Times, Brendan Boyle wrote a letter thanking the voters of the 170th House district even after a landslide defeat. That most interesting part of the article - the end. Editor's note stated that Boyle has made plans about a 2006 run for Kenney's seat. So it seems like even Kenney doesn't retire, Boyle will be a candidate. Comments, IrishDem?

Boyle will make another run.  He has told me personally.

...even if Kenney doesn't retire, he's running?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 18, 2004, 03:18:07 PM
Since this has become the official "Post anything about Philly/PA 13/Pennsylvania politics" thread, I thought I should post this (It'll certainly grab your attention IrishDem)...

In today's NE Times, Brendan Boyle wrote a letter thanking the voters of the 170th House district even after a landslide defeat. That most interesting part of the article - the end. Editor's note stated that Boyle has made plans about a 2006 run for Kenney's seat. So it seems like even Kenney doesn't retire, Boyle will be a candidate. Comments, IrishDem?

Boyle will make another run.  He has told me personally.

...even if Kenney doesn't retire, he's running?

Yes.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 18, 2004, 03:21:31 PM
Since this has become the official "Post anything about Philly/PA 13/Pennsylvania politics" thread, I thought I should post this (It'll certainly grab your attention IrishDem)...

In today's NE Times, Brendan Boyle wrote a letter thanking the voters of the 170th House district even after a landslide defeat. That most interesting part of the article - the end. Editor's note stated that Boyle has made plans about a 2006 run for Kenney's seat. So it seems like even Kenney doesn't retire, Boyle will be a candidate. Comments, IrishDem?

Boyle will make another run.  He has told me personally.

...even if Kenney doesn't retire, he's running?

Yes.

2006 will certainly be an interesting year in Northeast Philly politics....just like '04.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 18, 2004, 03:32:29 PM
I also think O'Brien may get a challenger as well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 18, 2004, 03:36:53 PM
I also think O'Brien may get a challenger as well.

Ha. Good luck with that one. O'Brien is adored around here. Even the Dems like him. If they were smart, they wouldn't waste their time running someone. They haven't  had a candidate against him since 2000 I believe...and even then he won in a landslide. This seat is safe for the Republicans with O'Brien.

But if you really think he'll have a Democratic opponent, who will it be? Think he, or she, will be able to break 30%?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 18, 2004, 03:40:36 PM
I also think O'Brien may get a challenger as well.

They haven't  had a candidate against him since 2000 I believe

I'm sorry. The last time they had a candidate run against him was in 1998.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 19, 2004, 02:30:17 AM
I think there will be one in 2006.  Thing with Boyle and many Dems is they don't have the $$$.  Kenney better be on his toes next time because Fumo is targeting the Republican seats in the Northeast and will give $$$.  Boyle only got $50,000 and look at how well he did considering.  Granted O'Brien is safe, but there will likely be a race. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 20, 2004, 08:29:46 PM
I think there will be one in 2006.  Thing with Boyle and many Dems is they don't have the $$$.  Kenney better be on his toes next time because Fumo is targeting the Republican seats in the Northeast and will give $$$.  Boyle only got $50,000 and look at how well he did considering.  Granted O'Brien is safe, but there will likely be a race. 

Incredibly foolish move if the Dems put up a candidate but I really don't think they will. They haven't had someone run since '98. There's a very good reason for that. Dems in the 169th love him and their leaders in Harrisburg work well with him. If it is a candidate challenging O'Brien, I can't see the Dem getting more than 25%.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 22, 2004, 06:08:07 PM
How about this, IrishDem: Bruce Castor 2006. Could you imagine? There has been some talk about it. He's popular enough to take Montco and well known in NE Philly (just turn on the news and he's on atleast once a week). Castor vs. Schwartz - now there's one scenario were a GOP pickup is likely. What's your take?

The funny thing about these Congressional races is that we will know who's running around June or July '05. Then the PA 13 debate will start to pick up again :)



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 23, 2004, 04:35:47 AM
How about this, IrishDem: Bruce Castor 2006. Could you imagine? There has been some talk about it. He's popular enough to take Montco and well known in NE Philly (just turn on the news and he's on atleast once a week). Castor vs. Schwartz - now there's one scenario were a GOP pickup is likely. What's your take?

The funny thing about these Congressional races is that we will know who's running around June or July '05. Then the PA 13 debate will start to pick up again :)



Castor would scare me a bit, but I think Allyson would hold.  I mean Allyson won by 15 points over a moderate Republican.  Yes, I know Castor's popular in Montco and I heard the talk on PoliticsPA, but I think he may stick with the AG field or go into private practice.  I do not know much about his liberalism/conservatism.  If he comes across as too anti-labor = BYE BYE NE Philly, too anti-choice= BYE BYE Montco.  Too early to tell at this point. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 23, 2004, 03:20:53 PM
How about this, IrishDem: Bruce Castor 2006. Could you imagine? There has been some talk about it. He's popular enough to take Montco and well known in NE Philly (just turn on the news and he's on atleast once a week). Castor vs. Schwartz - now there's one scenario were a GOP pickup is likely. What's your take?

The funny thing about these Congressional races is that we will know who's running around June or July '05. Then the PA 13 debate will start to pick up again :)



Castor would scare me a bit, but I think Allyson would hold.  I mean Allyson won by 15 points over a moderate Republican.  Yes, I know Castor's popular in Montco and I heard the talk on PoliticsPA, but I think he may stick with the AG field or go into private practice.  I do not know much about his liberalism/conservatism.  If he comes across as too anti-labor = BYE BYE NE Philly, too anti-choice= BYE BYE Montco.  Too early to tell at this point. 

He is a conservative and Pro Life but that hasn't hurt him in Montco. He always wins in a landslide out there. If he runs and wins the GOP primary, he'd be a very serious challenger and a pickup would be very likely.

As for him staying in the DA field or going into private practice, I'd have to disagree. He has demonstrated that he wants to go further in politics. A run for Congress is more likely than him going into private practice in my opinion.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 24, 2004, 02:42:48 AM
For some reason, people love conservatives in the DA position even if they are liberal.  I don't think his success as a DA would translate to Congress.  His conservative pro-life positions woud hurt him for Congress plus Schwartz would still win NE Philly by 20+ points.  I still forsee a Schwartz victory in both parts of PA-13 though Castor would cut Schwartz's Montco lead down to 2-3.  The Philly unions flattened Brown even moreso than I expected and would have the same likelyhood in doing so for Schwartz against Castor.  I thought the Section 8 issue would give Brown more weight.  What would Castor run on in NE Philly? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 24, 2004, 06:55:05 PM
For some reason, people love conservatives in the DA position even if they are liberal.  I don't think his success as a DA would translate to Congress.  His conservative pro-life positions woud hurt him for Congress plus Schwartz would still win NE Philly by 20+ points.  I still forsee a Schwartz victory in both parts of PA-13 though Castor would cut Schwartz's Montco lead down to 2-3.  The Philly unions flattened Brown even moreso than I expected and would have the same likelyhood in doing so for Schwartz against Castor.  I thought the Section 8 issue would give Brown more weight.  What would Castor run on in NE Philly? 

I'm not sure what Castor would run on. I would hope that he'd run on the Section 8 reform issue because, as I have stated before, Schwartz won't dedicate a second of her time in Congress to reforming the system. It really is ashame.

If there was a Castor - Schwartz race, there would be no doubt in my mind Castor would take Montco and probably by about 6-10 points. He is a very popular figure. NE Philly would a complete tossup. If this situation happens, we'll be looking at a very, very interesting General election.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 27, 2004, 04:08:16 PM
Keystone Phil:

Some women on the left can be a little nuts about the
feminism stuff.  Bear with her.  I think she just wants to be heard.

GirlGoneWild:

I too am pro-choice, but I'm not a nutcase about it.  In fact, it's maybe a #10 priority at best when I'm voting.  I know a lot of pro-life people that should be Democrats and sometimes I hate to say it people like you turn them off to the party.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 27, 2004, 04:17:09 PM
Keystone Phil:

Some women on the left can be a little nuts about the
feminism stuff.  Bear with her.  I think she just wants to be heard.


I'm not bearing with anything. Let her have her opinions. I have no problem disagreeing and debating with her about them. What I won't bear is the cursing and other trollish remarks that only hurt the forum. She can have her voice heard in a civil way. Anything else won't be tolerated. Now can we please take any further conversation on this issue to another thread. This should be for PA 13/other political issues in the state/SE PA.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: CelticBhoy11 on November 27, 2004, 05:02:59 PM
Does it really matter if either Brown or Schwartz won the seat?  How much could they possibily care about the district they represent?  Those votes located in Philadelphia are seen just as that, a voting block.  Neither canidate cares about the issues that effect Philadelphians, and if you believe otherwise your very hopeful.  I'm glad the lipservice that I've had to listen to over the last 6 months is over... and can't wait to see how or if we will be gerrymandered into voting blocks for the next election.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 27, 2004, 07:56:36 PM
Does it really matter if either Brown or Schwartz won the seat?  How much could they possibily care about the district they represent?  Those votes located in Philadelphia are seen just as that, a voting block.  Neither canidate cares about the issues that effect Philadelphians, and if you believe otherwise your very hopeful.  I'm glad the lipservice that I've had to listen to over the last 6 months is over... and can't wait to see how or if we will be gerrymandered into voting blocks for the next election.

Yes it does matter. Schwartz is a political opportunist. Brown is dedicated. Brown fought on the issues while Schwartz just called Brown sleazy. Read through this thread and see how we feel about each person and why they would make a better member of Congress.

It's funny...here we have two people, one Dem, one Republican, arguing points about each candidate and along comes an Independent who could care less. Welcome to the forum, CelticBhoy.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: patrick1 on November 28, 2004, 12:32:23 AM
Does it really matter if either Brown or Schwartz won the seat?  How much could they possibily care about the district they represent?  Those votes located in Philadelphia are seen just as that, a voting block.  Neither canidate cares about the issues that effect Philadelphians, and if you believe otherwise your very hopeful.  I'm glad the lipservice that I've had to listen to over the last 6 months is over... and can't wait to see how or if we will be gerrymandered into voting blocks for the next election.

I don't know jack about Philly but it is good to see a Glasgow Celtic fan on the board.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: AuH2O on November 28, 2004, 07:07:22 PM
I think my grandmother lives in PA-13. Who knew.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 28, 2004, 07:16:02 PM
I think my grandmother lives in PA-13. Who knew.

Do you know if she lives in the Northeast Philadelphia part of the district or the Montgomery county part?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: AuH2O on November 28, 2004, 07:16:57 PM
NE Philly.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 28, 2004, 07:18:35 PM

Cool. Do you know who she supported ? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: AuH2O on November 28, 2004, 07:24:12 PM
She's 80 and Jewish. Take a stab at it ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 28, 2004, 07:29:05 PM
She's 80 and Jewish. Take a stab at it ;)

Probably voted Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 28, 2004, 08:43:27 PM

80 year old Jewish woman...hmmmm...I'd say that she voted for Schwartz, too.

Hey IrishDem, I noticed your signature with the Hoeffel - 2006 sign. Really think he'll run/have a chance at the nomination?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 28, 2004, 10:11:32 PM

80 year old Jewish woman...hmmmm...I'd say that she voted for Schwartz, too.

Hey IrishDem, I noticed your signature with the Hoeffel - 2006 sign. Really think he'll run/have a chance at the nomination?

Hoeffel. Sure.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 01, 2004, 03:01:49 AM
NORTH CATHOLIC ALUMNI FOR SCHWARTZ! Remember that conversation we had yesterday Keystone.   Did you think you were going to guilt trip me into that one if it were the scenario of Schwartz v. Taylor?  Now, I like Taylor, but I also like Schwartz.  In my case ideology comes before sentiment in the voting booth.  Remember that!  Even if Taylor were to run I'd still vote Schwartz and may actually campaign for her because I know the Northeast would be tougher.

N.B.  John Taylor is a popular Republican State Rep in PA-177.  He is also a graduate of my Alma Mater Northeast Catholic Class of 1973.  It is rumored he may run for Congress.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 01, 2004, 02:56:55 PM
NORTH CATHOLIC ALUMNI FOR SCHWARTZ! Remember that conversation we had yesterday Keystone.   Did you think you were going to guilt trip me into that one if it were the scenario of Schwartz v. Taylor?  Now, I like Taylor, but I also like Schwartz.  In my case ideology comes before sentiment in the voting booth.  Remember that!  Even if Taylor were to run I'd still vote Schwartz and may actually campaign for her because I know the Northeast would be tougher.

N.B.  John Taylor is a popular Republican State Rep in PA-177.  He is also a graduate of my Alma Mater Northeast Catholic Class of 1973.  It is rumored he may run for Congress.

Guilt trip you into supporting Taylor? What? It's a rumor that he might run. I thought I'd bring that up. I don't know where this "guilt" trip idea came from. I never thought you'd support Taylor but there would be plenty of Dems with backgrounds similar to yours that would vote for Taylor. He is loved in his district. I went canvassing with him and Brown once and I saw how adored he is. His district is also over 70% Democratic. The problem if he runs - Montco. Schwartz would win out there and I'm afraid that's what would hurt the most in a Taylor-Schwartz matchup.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 01, 2004, 03:22:50 PM
NORTH CATHOLIC ALUMNI FOR SCHWARTZ! Remember that conversation we had yesterday Keystone.   Did you think you were going to guilt trip me into that one if it were the scenario of Schwartz v. Taylor?  Now, I like Taylor, but I also like Schwartz.  In my case ideology comes before sentiment in the voting booth.  Remember that!  Even if Taylor were to run I'd still vote Schwartz and may actually campaign for her because I know the Northeast would be tougher.

N.B.  John Taylor is a popular Republican State Rep in PA-177.  He is also a graduate of my Alma Mater Northeast Catholic Class of 1973.  It is rumored he may run for Congress.

I never thought you'd support Taylor but there would be plenty of Dems with backgrounds similar to yours that would vote for Taylor. He is loved in his district. I went canvassing with him and Brown once and I saw how adored he is. His district is also over 70% Democratic.

I know that.  He is very personable, though kind of on my sh!t list for giving an emphatic endorsement for Brown.  If he were running for State Rep. I would vote for him in most cases.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 01, 2004, 03:32:32 PM
NORTH CATHOLIC ALUMNI FOR SCHWARTZ! Remember that conversation we had yesterday Keystone.   Did you think you were going to guilt trip me into that one if it were the scenario of Schwartz v. Taylor?  Now, I like Taylor, but I also like Schwartz.  In my case ideology comes before sentiment in the voting booth.  Remember that!  Even if Taylor were to run I'd still vote Schwartz and may actually campaign for her because I know the Northeast would be tougher.

N.B.  John Taylor is a popular Republican State Rep in PA-177.  He is also a graduate of my Alma Mater Northeast Catholic Class of 1973.  It is rumored he may run for Congress.

I never thought you'd support Taylor but there would be plenty of Dems with backgrounds similar to yours that would vote for Taylor. He is loved in his district. I went canvassing with him and Brown once and I saw how adored he is. His district is also over 70% Democratic.

 He is very personable

Yes. He is a political hero in his district. NE Philly would probably go for him. As I stated earlier, however, I don't know if it would be enough for him to win because of Montco. I'm really paying attention to see if Castor will run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 01, 2004, 03:37:30 PM
You are right about his political hero status.  Thing with me is I don't know how pro/anti labor he is.  I think he is more of a populist if I'm not mistaken.  I know he's pro-life.  I think he woudl get more Union endorsements that Brown and would do better in NE Philly, but as for winning it, I'm not so sure.  There are still a lot of liberal sections father up in the Northeast that don't knwo him at all.  In the Lower Northeast portions of PA-13 (Bridesburg, Port Richmond), it would be a virtual landslide though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 01, 2004, 03:43:49 PM
You are right about his political hero status.  Thing with me is I don't know how pro/anti labor he is.  I think he is more of a populist if I'm not mistaken.  I know he's pro-life.  I think he woudl get more Union endorsements that Brown and would do better in NE Philly, but as for winning it, I'm not so sure.  There are still a lot of liberal sections father up in the Northeast that don't knwo him at all.  In the Lower Northeast portions of PA-13 (Bridesburg, Port Richmond), it would be a virtual landslide though.

He would win NE Philly. There are liberal sections but they're not that big. Montco liberalism would be the problem for Taylor.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 02, 2004, 02:32:36 AM
You are right about his political hero status.  Thing with me is I don't know how pro/anti labor he is.  I think he is more of a populist if I'm not mistaken.  I know he's pro-life.  I think he woudl get more Union endorsements that Brown and would do better in NE Philly, but as for winning it, I'm not so sure.  There are still a lot of liberal sections father up in the Northeast that don't knwo him at all.  In the Lower Northeast portions of PA-13 (Bridesburg, Port Richmond), it would be a virtual landslide though.

He would win NE Philly. There are liberal sections but they're not that big. Montco liberalism would be the problem for Taylor.

NE Philly largely depends on labor support.  Remember he endorsed Brown, not sitting well with me and I'm sure unions will find out.  Yes, he is loved in the distrct he is currently representing, but it only encompasses a small part of PA 13.  True, he can also play up the North grad thing because a lot of old alumni live in the district farther up in the NE.  Had Taylor not endorsed or canvassed for Brown like you said, I would have simply voted Schwartz and left it at that.  If Taylor were to run, I will devote time for Schwartz on top of Boyle.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 02, 2004, 03:16:10 PM
You are right about his political hero status.  Thing with me is I don't know how pro/anti labor he is.  I think he is more of a populist if I'm not mistaken.  I know he's pro-life.  I think he woudl get more Union endorsements that Brown and would do better in NE Philly, but as for winning it, I'm not so sure.  There are still a lot of liberal sections father up in the Northeast that don't knwo him at all.  In the Lower Northeast portions of PA-13 (Bridesburg, Port Richmond), it would be a virtual landslide though.

He would win NE Philly. There are liberal sections but they're not that big. Montco liberalism would be the problem for Taylor.

NE Philly largely depends on labor support.  Remember he endorsed Brown, not sitting well with me and I'm sure unions will find out.  Yes, he is loved in the distrct he is currently representing, but it only encompasses a small part of PA 13.  True, he can also play up the North grad thing because a lot of old alumni live in the district farther up in the NE.  Had Taylor not endorsed or canvassed for Brown like you said, I would have simply voted Schwartz and left it at that.  If Taylor were to run, I will devote time for Schwartz on top of Boyle.     

Well Taylor supported Brown. He thought she was the best candidate for the district and she was. What can I say? What I don't understand is how you will give time to Schwartz just because Taylor endorsed Brown but I don't think you dedicated any of your time to Schwartz this time and she was actually running against Brown. That's where I am very confused.

I honestly don't think the unions were angry with Brown so I don't see how that could hurt Taylor. Remember that this guy is very popular with Democrats in his district and while that might be only a tiny part of PA 13, Democrats from surrounding areas know him, too.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 03, 2004, 05:09:45 AM
I gave most of my time to Boyle and getting the YDs formed.  I was thinking of volunteering for Schwartz, but I kinda knew Brown was a loser.  Taylor is a different story.  I know he is popular in the NE, you don't have to tell me twice.  I actually like him to a point, but I know how hard Schwartz will have it if he ran.  And yes, I probably will have to move out of my house by 2006 if I were to support Schwartz.  Thanksgiving dinner that year if Taylor were to run in 2006 will probably show mashed potatoes and stuffing plastered on our dining room wall.  Shall be interesting.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 03, 2004, 02:26:00 PM
Taylor is a different story.  I know he is popular in the NE, you don't have to tell me twice.  I actually like him to a point, but I know how hard Schwartz will have it if he ran. 

Schwartz will have it tough in NE Philly if Taylor ran. She'll be in good shape out in Montco though. It will be a battle over which section of the district can turn out better - NE Philly or Montco.



Title: Farewell Joe Hoeffel
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 15, 2004, 03:13:21 PM
From the Northeast Times


EDITORIAL for December 16, 2004

Oh won’t you stay?

When he held his "final news conference" last week as the congressman for most of Northeast Philly, Joe Hoeffel proved that he is calling it quits way too early.

Mr. Hoeffel is a genuinely nice, pleasant, intelligent man with a good deal of potential to do a good deal more for Northeast Philadelphia, Montgomery County and the entire nation. His imminent successor in the U.S. House of Representatives, Allyson Schwartz, hopefully will do a fantastic job doing the people’s business, but Mr. Hoeffel, at just 54 years old, is too young to abandon his constituents. Mr. Hoeffel squandered the opportunity to go great things on an ill-conceived bid to unseat a Pennsylvania legend, Sen. Arlen Specter, last month.

Mr. Hoeffel likely would have made mincemeat out of Mr. Specter’s foe in the Republican primary, the far-right Pat Toomey, but Mr. Specter squeaked out a primary win and crushed Mr. Hoeffel in the Nov. 2 general election.

Mr. Hoeffel should have stayed put in the House, put in a few more terms as an outspoken advocate for The People, and then run for the Senate. Here’s hoping he will spend the next two years making tons of money as a lawyer in the private sector and then come back refreshed and ready to serve the public in 2007 — as Sen. Rick Santorum’s successor.


Yep, he's running !!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Farewell Joe Hoeffel
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 15, 2004, 03:28:06 PM

That's ashame. Their turn to the left is really embarrassing. Anyway, as I stated in the other thread, I can't find where they say that he's actually running.

(It's great to see the PA 13 thread back! Let's try to keep the discussion going...)


Title: Re: Farewell Joe Hoeffel
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 15, 2004, 03:35:16 PM

That's ashame. Their turn to the left is really embarrassing. Anyway, as I stated in the other thread, I can't find where they say that he's actually running.

(It's great to see the PA 13 thread back! Let's try to keep the discussion going...)

They still let the salivating righties post their nonsensical letters to the editor.  You should read some of them.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 15, 2004, 03:40:49 PM
Taylor is a different story.  I know he is popular in the NE, you don't have to tell me twice.  I actually like him to a point, but I know how hard Schwartz will have it if he ran. 

Schwartz will have it tough in NE Philly if Taylor ran. She'll be in good shape out in Montco though. It will be a battle over which section of the district can turn out better - NE Philly or Montco.



I'll have to agree with that statement.  Thing is I don't know where Taylor stands on most issues.  I know he was accused by the "Club" for voting with Rendell on some things and I know he's pro-life.  The Montco portion is much larger than NE Philly.  Granted, Taylor is known outside his district and a lot of North Catholic alums reside in the 13th which should help him.  NE Philly would still be close and Montco would go for Schwartz fairly strong.  Taylor should hold onto the 177th seat.  The GOP would hate him for abandoning it.


Title: Re: Farewell Joe Hoeffel
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 15, 2004, 03:43:05 PM

That's ashame. Their turn to the left is really embarrassing. Anyway, as I stated in the other thread, I can't find where they say that he's actually running.

(It's great to see the PA 13 thread back! Let's try to keep the discussion going...)

They still let the salivating righties post their nonsensical letters to the editor.  You should read some of them.

I do read the letters to the editors and it really is unfortunate that they came up with this. I mean come on..."The advocate for The People." And some of the other stuff they threw in there is just hysterical. "Mr. Hoeffel would have likely made micemeat out of Mr. Specter's foe in the Republican primary." Well...wait a minute. Wasn't Specter supposed to make mincemeat out of Toomey? How'd that go?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 15, 2004, 03:49:20 PM
Taylor is a different story.  I know he is popular in the NE, you don't have to tell me twice.  I actually like him to a point, but I know how hard Schwartz will have it if he ran. 

Schwartz will have it tough in NE Philly if Taylor ran. She'll be in good shape out in Montco though. It will be a battle over which section of the district can turn out better - NE Philly or Montco.



I'll have to agree with that statement.  Thing is I don't know where Taylor stands on most issues.  I know he was accused by the "Club" for voting with Rendell on some things and I know he's pro-life.  The Montco portion is much larger than NE Philly.  Granted, Taylor is known outside his district and a lot of North Catholic alums reside in the 13th which should help him.  NE Philly would still be close and Montco would go for Schwartz fairly strong.  Taylor should hold onto the 177th seat.  The GOP would hate him for abandoning it.

Taylor would win the NE by a good amount but as I have stated before, Montco would go for Schwartz and that would be the big problem. I don't think Taylor could win it but he would be one candidate that would make it close. It doesn't seem like that will matter anyway because I don't think Taylor is willing to give up that seat.

Recently there have been some rumors about some asking Katz to run. In a primary, I would likely work against Katz since I'd prefer a conservative candidate but in the General election, I'd work hard to see Katz win. He would be much better than Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 16, 2004, 05:11:48 PM
Some more local stuff for us to discuss...

From today's Daily News  http://www.philly.com/mld/dailynews/10428340.htm


Mike Stack for mayor?

State Sen. Mike Stack is "taking a look at the mayoral field, which seems to be rather wide open," says the Democrat.

Attorney and former mayoral candidate Marty Weinberg, also Stack's finance chair of his Senate re-election campaign, is organizing a $5,000-a-head fund-raiser for Stack inside a suite at the Linc during Sunday's Eagles game.

Former Eagles coach Buddy Ryan will be its special guest.


I have no idea why anyone would believe he has a chance in a Democratic primary for Mayor. I'll post again when I stop laughing.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 16, 2004, 09:29:52 PM
I just finished reading "The last of Hoeffel" article in the NE Times.

On the front page, there is a picture of Hoeffel with the caption "A good rep   Congressman says bye-bye...for now."

You then turn to the article and can't help but wonder what the dramatic photos of Hoeffel are about. Come on now. Under the photos is the caption that states how this was Hoeffel's "final" press conference and how he stated there is another Senate race in 2006.

My suggestion to the NE Times is that they just announce their endorsement of Hoeffel next week since we know they plan on doing it in early 2006 (if he runs). We have the article that mentions a possible Senate run every other sentence, the ridiculous "Oh, won't you stay?" editorial...Their support for him in 2006, no matter who he challenges in the primary, is too obvious.

Now I know you don't mind this one bit because you're a big Hoeffel supporter. But there might be a battle in the Northeast come 2006. McGinty vs. Hoeffel. The state official who is not only from the Northeast but from your neighborhood (a key area for the Dems in NE Philly) vs. the former Congressman. Interesting scenario. Now everywhere else statewide, I think Hoeffel would do pretty well. McGinty isn't much of a challenge. However, in some areas of the Northeast, it would be a battleground. 

As I stated earlier, I think your area of the city would be the most fun to watch. If McGinty does run and uses the "I'm from the neighborhood and running for U.S. Senate" line, it could hurt Hoeffel. We'll have to see how it plays out.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 02:07:49 AM
Funny I haven't lived in Rhawnhurst for very long and I never heard of McGinty.  Sounds like a typical neighborhood Irish name.  I'd still vote Hoeffel because I know him and his positions. 

You really sound upset at the Northeast Times.  I for one think it can sometimes be too far right.  Now that you mention it, I think the Northeast Times is a balanced paper.  Articles from both sides of the fence get their voices heard in there.  I actually brag to out-of-towners in here and elsewhere that the NE Times has some of the best poltical commentary period (even over the Inquirer/DN which I admit is WAY too biased).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 02:13:31 PM
You really sound upset at the Northeast Times.  I for one think it can sometimes be too far right.  Now that you mention it, I think the Northeast Times is a balanced paper.  Articles from both sides of the fence get their voices heard in there.  I actually brag to out-of-towners in here and elsewhere that the NE Times has some of the best poltical commentary period (even over the Inquirer/DN which I admit is WAY too biased).

The NE Times has turned into a joke. I don't know how you could call them too far right. In the endorsement of Schwartz, they criticized Brown because she had "burned bridges" with Mayor Street. Yet in 2003 they endorsed Katz. Wouldn't that be "burning bridges" with Mayor Street, too? What logic is that?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 02:22:08 PM
You really sound upset at the Northeast Times.  I for one think it can sometimes be too far right.  Now that you mention it, I think the Northeast Times is a balanced paper.  Articles from both sides of the fence get their voices heard in there.  I actually brag to out-of-towners in here and elsewhere that the NE Times has some of the best poltical commentary period (even over the Inquirer/DN which I admit is WAY too biased).

The NE Times has turned into a joke. I don't know how you could call them too far right. In the endorsement of Schwartz, they criticized Brown because she had "burned bridges" with Mayor Street. Yet in 2003 they endorsed Katz. Wouldn't that be "burning bridges" with Mayor Street, too? What logic is that?

I could EASILY call them far right at times.  Guess who gets a lot of guest opinions?  AL TAUBENBERGER.  For crying out loud the guy's to the right of Santoomey.  Guess who gets the most letters?  I can name them and yes they are in the "salivating far right" category.  Anthony Mattia, Joe Nicoletti, and Ray Dolan have their personal blogs parked there.  I can not name any leftie with such special treatment. 

On the other hand, they allow lefties to post their articles there.  I could easily complain about the News Gleaner being even mor right wing.  Only Tina Tartaglione or Mike Stack get to occassioanlly write in there.  Other than that Charlie Dougherty and Chris Wogan get their marquee treatment in there as well.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 02:32:01 PM
You really sound upset at the Northeast Times.  I for one think it can sometimes be too far right.  Now that you mention it, I think the Northeast Times is a balanced paper.  Articles from both sides of the fence get their voices heard in there.  I actually brag to out-of-towners in here and elsewhere that the NE Times has some of the best poltical commentary period (even over the Inquirer/DN which I admit is WAY too biased).

The NE Times has turned into a joke. I don't know how you could call them too far right. In the endorsement of Schwartz, they criticized Brown because she had "burned bridges" with Mayor Street. Yet in 2003 they endorsed Katz. Wouldn't that be "burning bridges" with Mayor Street, too? What logic is that?

I could EASILY call them far right at times.  Guess who gets a lot of guest opinions?  AL TAUBENBERGER.  For crying out loud the guy's to the right of Santoomey.  Guess who gets the most letters?  I can name them and yes they are in the "salivating far right" category.  Anthony Mattia, Joe Nicoletti, and Ray Dolan have their personal blogs parked there.  I can not name any leftie with such special treatment. 

On the other hand, they allow lefties to post their articles there.  I could easily complain about the News Gleaner being even mor right wing.  Only Tina Tartaglione or Mike Stack get to occassioanlly write in there.  Other than that Charlie Dougherty and Chris Wogan get their marquee treatment in there as well.   

I just think they're confused. How do you endorse the most conservative candidates in the Republican and Dem primaries for Congress and then endorse the more liberal candidate in November?

As for liberals not getting an opportunity to get letter's in the Times, maybe there isn't enough interest. If there's no liberal interested in writing to the NE Times, who's to blame?

Same thing with the Gleaner. If liberals don't have the interest when it comes to writing letters every week, it's not the paper's fault. I will agree with you, though, that the Gleaner is more conservative.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 03:27:34 PM
I tend to think conservatives throughtout the Delaware Valley are also the most bitchy when it comes to writing letters to the editor.  Same goes for the Daily News and Inquirer as well.  They seem like they want to throw fits even when they win. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 03:38:16 PM
I tend to think conservatives throughtout the Delaware Valley are also the most bitchy when it comes to writing letters to the editor.  Same goes for the Daily News and Inquirer as well.  They seem like they want to throw fits even when they win. 

Look at the bias in these newspapers, BL. That just might be the reason why conservatives write letters, complaining to the editors.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 04:11:06 PM
I forget the test, but there are different ideologies along with sub-types.  If I have thie link, I'll post it.  If I recall, these are the types:

Staunch Conservative
Moderate Republican
Populist Republican
Disaffected
Bystanders
New Democrat
Liberal Democrat
Social conservative Democrat
Socialist (bleeding heart)

Most of these letter writers fall in the Staunch Consrvative category.  These are the types that avidly watch Fox News and are generally well-off finanacially.    They are also fiscally and socially conservative and knowledgable on issues.  They make up about 10-12% of the general population and are mostly men.  In Northeast Philly, probably about 5-7%, but they are also the most vocal.  i will have to agree with you on that.

On this test, I got somehwere between Liberal and New Democrat.  Again about 10-12% natioanlly, but only about 8% for each category in NE Philly.  Most NE Philadelphians would probably get Socially Conservative Democrat or Populist Republican.  Usually these types are not very vocal. 

The most vocal are the Staunch Conservatives (you), Moderate Republicans (Andrew/htmldon) and the Liberal/New Dems (me/Nym90).  That's why were here.       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 04:47:28 PM


Most of these letter writers fall in the Staunch Consrvative category.  These are the types that avidly watch Fox News and are generally well-off finanacially.

Of the three letter writers you listed earlier, I know one of them. I won't say who but I just thought I'd let you know that. So I ask that you refrain from insulting them if you had planned on doing so. The reason why I brought up that I knew one of them is because you stated that these staunch conservatives are Fox News viewers and well off financially.

First, I'd like to ask what you mean why "well off" financially? Do you mean well off as in "I own a big house in Northeast Philadelphia with a boat, three cars, a house in the mountains and one at the shore..."  or just making a decent income? The reason why I ask is because the person I know is not some wealthy individual. Just thought I'd say that if that's what you meant by well off.

The other thing I wanted to say is that you placed me in the staunch conservative category. For the record, I am not rich nor am I a Fox News fan. You wouldn't believe the conversations I have with my conservative friends. They love Fox News and I'm the lone conservative that watches CNN. Fox News just isn't for me. But if I took this test and the choices were what you posted, I agree that I'd fit in the staunch conservative area. I would define myself as a common sense, traditional conservative though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 06:26:31 PM
Well I must say if they put their name out there, yes they are open for criticism.  I don't care if he's your neighbor, uncle, or even your own father, yes he is open for it as am I. 

You like CNN?  I would have never guessed that.  Funny I watch Fox at times to laugh at those clowns.  I know not all staunch conservatives are like what you said.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 07:10:02 PM
Well I must say if they put their name out there, yes they are open for criticism.  I don't care if he's your neighbor, uncle, or even your own father, yes he is open for it as am I.

All I'm asking is that you don't call them morons, attack their intelligence or start on one of your rants where you attack them personally. We can debate what they say all day. I have no problem with that. 


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You like CNN?  I would have never guessed that.  Funny I watch Fox at times to laugh at those clowns.  I know not all staunch conservatives are like what you said.

My main problem with Fox is that they cover some news stories that would be expected from a local news station. I find that if there is breaking news, CNN and MSNBC are the one's covering it first while Fox is at a commercial or covering another story. I get more news from CNN so whenever I want to watch cable news, CNN goes on first. However, I do enjoy the O'Reilly Factor and Hannity and Colmes so it's not like I totally avoid the channel.


Title: Old PA-13 Thread
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 09:31:18 PM
This was during the primary season.  Just for old time sake:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=1584.0


Title: Re: Old PA-13 Thread
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2004, 09:32:38 PM
This was during the primary season.  Just for old time sake:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=1584.0

I went back and read it a few times. I enjoyed Don's "Melissa Brown!" comment  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 17, 2004, 11:56:26 PM
Funny how I started it and it died off quickly.  It was acatually a poll of all 5 candidates.  Man if only I had a Torsella sign I can revive for old time sake.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on December 18, 2004, 12:01:47 AM
PA-13
Never Die Again


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 18, 2004, 01:00:23 AM
Funny how I started it and it died off quickly.  It was acatually a poll of all 5 candidates.  Man if only I had a Torsella sign I can revive for old time sake.

Here you go...

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You don't know how badly I'd rather have him as our member of Congress instead of Schwartz. I wouldn't agree with him that much but atleast he's more moderate. Nancy Pelosi, Jr. is a whole different story.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 18, 2004, 05:23:34 PM
Thank you Keystone.  I thought his website died off.

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Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 18, 2004, 05:59:45 PM
Thank you Keystone.  I thought his website died off.

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It did. I googled images of Torsella and all the pictures from his site come up. I tried to get a bigger image but since the site is closed, the logo/pictures only come in that size.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 18, 2004, 06:31:10 PM
I guess Google is better.  I'm so used to Yahoo though. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 20, 2004, 04:02:51 PM
The Daily News has reported that PA 13 was the most expensive Congressional race in PA this year. I think we all expected it but now we know it's official.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: DownTheCenter on December 21, 2004, 09:40:23 PM
who is after allyson schwartz? joe torsella?!?!? i sure hope so because i loathe allyson, but thank goodness that she beat sleazy melissa brown. (doctor of distortion)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: A18 on December 21, 2004, 09:43:13 PM
Would this thread please die?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 21, 2004, 10:27:32 PM

I'm sorry that we can hold a debate on an interesting topic. You can leave now if you don't like reading it. Thanks.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 21, 2004, 10:32:32 PM
beat sleazy melissa brown. (doctor of distortion)

Your post says you dislike Schwartz (I agree with you there) yet you believe her "Queen of Sleaze Melissa Brown" stuff? That makes no sense.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 22, 2004, 02:21:51 AM
who is after allyson schwartz? joe torsella?!?!? i sure hope so because i loathe allyson, but thank goodness that she beat sleazy melissa brown. (doctor of distortion)

Welcome.  I'm from Northeast Philadelphia and a Democrat myself.  I would have NEVER voted Reagan like some of my relatives did though.  I thought Allyson was nice when I met her.  I did however vote Torsella in the primary.  He seemed to come from where I did and was mroe clear with his positions.  I originally thought Allyson reminded me of the ultra-liberal PC feminitst man hating college professor, but compared to Melissa Brown, she was gold.  I have a friend that lives in South Philly.  Lives right above Broad and Oregon (went to St. Monica's for grade school). PM me and I'll tell you more.

By the way, it was horrible to see T.O. go down.  They will get to the Super Bowl regardless, but need TO to win.  The AFC is just too dominant this year.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 22, 2004, 03:21:30 PM
who is after allyson schwartz? joe torsella?!?!? i sure hope so because i loathe allyson, but thank goodness that she beat sleazy melissa brown. (doctor of distortion)

I originally thought Allyson reminded me of the ultra-liberal PC feminitst man hating college professor, but compared to Melissa Brown, she was gold. 


How is she gold? You continue the talk about how bad Brown by saying she is a race baiter. Yet when Stack and McGeehan finally decide to do something about Section 8, it's ok. When Stack says he would eliminate Section 8 if it were up to him, it's ok because he said it in the newspaper. Are you serious? Then you go about with Brown is tied to big oil. Ok how? Where do you come up with this stuff?

What I find especially funny is how you considered voting for Brown so I don't see how you can find her that bad.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: DanielX on December 22, 2004, 07:08:43 PM

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started posting here,
not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue posting in it
forever just because...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 22, 2004, 10:09:11 PM

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on, my friends.


You got that right  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Gabu on December 22, 2004, 10:36:43 PM

This is the thread that never ends,
It just goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started posting here,
not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue posting in it
forever just because...

Hey, I was the first to make that joke, you thief. :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on January 03, 2005, 06:35:22 PM
IM BACK !!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Alcon on January 03, 2005, 07:07:50 PM

WELCOME BACK !!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Gabu on January 03, 2005, 07:49:39 PM

OMG HI


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 03, 2005, 07:55:00 PM

I hope you can remain civil unlike your last events on the forum.

It's unfortunate that I have to announce that tomorrow Allyson Schwartz will be sworn in as Congresswoman for PA 13  :(


However, some good news: Fitzpatrick prevailed and will be Congressman in PA 8  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 04, 2005, 02:40:46 AM

Welcome back!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on January 04, 2005, 02:47:57 AM

I hope you can remain civil unlike your last events on the forum.

It's unfortunate that I have to announce that tomorrow Allyson Schwartz will be sworn in as Congresswoman for PA 13  :(


However, some good news: Fitzpatrick prevailed and will be Congressman in PA 8  :)

Like I predicted.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 04, 2005, 02:56:09 AM

I hope you can remain civil unlike your last events on the forum.

It's unfortunate that I have to announce that tomorrow Allyson Schwartz will be sworn in as Congresswoman for PA 13  :(


However, some good news: Fitzpatrick prevailed and will be Congressman in PA 8  :)

Like I predicted.

Not something I'm happy about. :(  I know you too aren't as well bullmoose.  Is ther anyone in a primary you suggest that you like or could take him?  I really wouldn't have minded Joe Conti or Tommy Tomlinson as much, but Fitz is WAY to the right.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on January 04, 2005, 03:04:46 AM
no see, Fitz is not.

Being Pro-life does not a far righty make. The man was a centrist county commissioner. Pretty good environmental record, good record on taxes. My main problem with him was that he is a tool of Fawkes.

No one's gonna challenge him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 04, 2005, 03:06:40 AM
no see, Fitz is not.

Being Pro-life does not a far righty make. The man was a centrist county commissioner. Pretty good environmental record, good record on taxes. My main problem with him was that he is a tool of Fawkes.

No one's gonna challenge him.

Do u think he'll be lock step with Bush?  I know the unions backed him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on January 04, 2005, 03:10:42 AM
I don't expect him to get out of line too much...since he's a first term congressman...didn't expect the other GOP hopefuls to either.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 04, 2005, 03:05:19 PM

I hope you can remain civil unlike your last events on the forum.

It's unfortunate that I have to announce that tomorrow Allyson Schwartz will be sworn in as Congresswoman for PA 13  :(


However, some good news: Fitzpatrick prevailed and will be Congressman in PA 8  :)

Like I predicted.

Well that's not true. I believe you were one of the first people to call for a Democratic pickup when I posted that Greenwood would retire.

And, BL, Fritz is not far right. I think he'll have a good conservative, not extreme, record.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on January 04, 2005, 03:56:10 PM
though I assumed the dems would nominate a half decent candidate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 04, 2005, 03:58:40 PM
though I assumed the dems would nominate a half decent candidate.

You claimed it would be a Dem pickup either way. I remember that day when many Republicans were crying "A Dem pickup..." and the Dems were celebrating. I had stated that with Fritz, that would have been the Dems best chance but they still wouldn't pickup the seat.


Title: PA 8/PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 05, 2005, 02:37:19 AM
New name?  Hey, we're neighbors.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 05, 2005, 03:12:17 PM
Nothing is stopping them from having their own thread, BL. Mixing our Congressional districts, even though PA 8 has a clearly better member of the House, should not be accepted.  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 23, 2005, 03:58:21 AM
Talking 2006

Hello. This is Talking 2006 with Keystone Phil. In just a few months, candidates who wish to run for Congress in 2006 will begin to get their names out/fundraise.

Big questions:

1) Is Schwartz beatable?
2) Will Sam Katz run?
3) If Katz does run, can he beat Schwartz?
4) If Schwartz is beatable, are there any candidates besides Katz that can beat her?
5) Will Al Taubenberger run for and win the GOP nomination?

My answers

1) Yes but it will be tough.
2) I think he's going to be the focus of PA 13 Republican leaders. He'll definetley consider.
3) Yes he can beat Schwartz.
4) Bruce Castor could win but it seems unlikely that he will run.
5) Taubenberger will run and, once again, lose the race for the GOP nomination.

And in other news...

He might not be a serious candidate to take the seat for the GOP but financial analyst Joe McColgan, who ran against Borski in '90 and '96, said that he would be a candidate in 2006 if the Dems were to win the seat this past election. These comments were made during the GOP primary.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on January 23, 2005, 04:32:39 AM
Wasn't there a fraud case that Katz lost, just after the election?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 23, 2005, 11:35:56 AM
Wasn't there a fraud case that Katz lost, just after the election?

I'm not sure how that case went. I know there were cases before the election that I think they said Katz was actually the victim of fraud.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 23, 2005, 06:19:13 PM
Big questions:

1) Is Schwartz beatable? NO!
2) Will Sam Katz run? NO
3) If Katz does run, can he beat Schwartz? Possible
4) If Schwartz is beatable, are there any candidates besides Katz that can beat her? Bruce Castor would keep it close.  John Taylor or Denny O'Brien would tighten, but not win NE Philly and get crushed in Montco.  Safe to say, 2004 was "Custer's Last Stand" here for the GOP.  GOP need to worry about PA 6 and 8 and potentially PA 7 upon Curt Weldon's retirement!
5) Will Al Taubenberger run for and win the GOP nomination?
Yes and Yes because there will no no credible candidates.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 23, 2005, 07:01:13 PM
Big questions:

1) Is Schwartz beatable? NO!
2) Will Sam Katz run? NO
3) If Katz does run, can he beat Schwartz? Possible
4) If Schwartz is beatable, are there any candidates besides Katz that can beat her? Bruce Castor would keep it close.  John Taylor or Denny O'Brien would tighten, but not win NE Philly and get crushed in Montco.  Safe to say, 2004 was "Custer's Last Stand" here for the GOP.  GOP need to worry about PA 6 and 8 and potentially PA 7 upon Curt Weldon's retirement!
5) Will Al Taubenberger run for and win the GOP nomination?
Yes and Yes because there will no no credible candidates.


O'Brien and Taylor could win the NE but Montco would go for Schwartz. PA 6 is a concern. If Murphy can do that well, Republicans have to be alittle worried. PA 7 is not a worry for me, even with a Weldon retirement.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 12:51:26 AM
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New Progressive isn't too leftie for you. Flyers, you're not a left wing extremist but you're left of liberal. It's like in the PA 13 parts of Montco. You'd fit in very well there. NE Philly....no way. We're socially conservative and if Brown would have ran a better campaign, she probably would have won here.

What is this sick obsession with hating Montco?  You know there are still some conservatives there along with a fair number of Toomeyites.  Left of liberal? Hardly!  Ok, I'm not Evan Bayh or Bob Casey, but I consider myself a DLC type Dem.  I am a left-leaning Torsella supporter, not a far leftie.  Look over some of my positions before you post this.  You are right to a point.  The Montgomery County portion of PA 13 is a better ideological fit for me economically and even moreso socially.  I am more open for trade than your average NE Philadelphian and I share many of their views on things like welfare/Section 8 reform.  Socially, I know I'm farther left than a fair number of people here.  I don't share the zeal for tough police enforcement many do up here, I oppose the death penalty, I'm pro-choice except partial-birth and even then I'd allow it for life and health of the mother (rare cases), I favor marijuana legalization.       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 12:58:44 AM
{quote]
New Progressive isn't too leftie for you. Flyers, you're not a left wing extremist but you're left of liberal. It's like in the PA 13 parts of Montco. You'd fit in very well there. NE Philly....no way. We're socially conservative and if Brown would have ran a better campaign, she probably would have won here.
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What is this sick obsession with hating Montco?  You know there are still some conservatives there along with a fair number of Toomeyites.  Left of liberal? Hardly!  Ok, I'm not Evan Bayh or Bob Casey, but I consider myself a DLC type Dem.  I am a left-leaning Torsella supporter, not a far leftie.  Look over some of my positions before you post this.  You are right to a point.  The Montgomery County portion of PA 13 is a better ideological fit for me economically and even moreso socially.  I am more open for trade than your average NE Philadelphian and I share many of their views on things like welfare/Section 8 reform.  Socially, I know I'm farther left than a fair number of people here.  I don't share the zeal for tough police enforcement many do up here, I oppose the death penalty, I'm pro-choice except partial-birth and even then I'd allow it for life and health of the mother (rare cases), I favor marijuana legalization.         

1) My dislike for Montco is to your dislike for Potter county. I like how when I bring up an area of the district suddenly it's a "sick obsession." We're talking PA 13 here. There are two parts: Montco and Philly. Montco is the socially liberal haven of the district so that's why I brought it up.

2) You are left of liberal. Not a far left winger (if you would actually read what I say you'd notice that I said that) but you certainly aren't a moderate like you'd like some to believe.

3) The views you listed are the exact reasons why I think you are left of liberal when compared to your average Northeast Philadelphian. Pro-Choice in most cases, against the death penalty, favoring marijuana legalization, etc.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:00:17 AM
{quote]
New Progressive isn't too leftie for you. Flyers, you're not a left wing extremist but you're left of liberal. It's like in the PA 13 parts of Montco. You'd fit in very well there. NE Philly....no way. We're socially conservative and if Brown would have ran a better campaign, she probably would have won here.
Quote

 Ok, I'm not Evan Bayh or Bob Casey, but I consider myself a DLC type Dem.       

That's the exact reason why the DLC is a joke. Bayh and centrist views run the group yet people like yourself, Hillary Clinton and Schwartz are members.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:07:03 AM
1) My dislike for Montco is to your dislike for Potter county. I like how when I bring up an area of the district suddenly it's a "sick obsession." We're talking PA 13 here. There are two parts: Montco and Philly. Montco is the socially liberal haven of the district so that's why I brought it up.

2) You are left of liberal. Not a far left winger (if you would actually read what I say you'd notice that I said that) but you certainly aren't a moderate like you'd like some to believe.

3) The views you listed are the exact reasons why I think you are left of liberal when compared to your average Northeast Philadelphian. Pro-Choice in most cases, against the death penalty, favoring marijuana legalization, etc.

2.  Left of liberal, but not far leftie.. hmm?  Which politician(s) would you consider "left of liberal"?

3.  Left of liberal when comaped to your avg. NE Philadelphian might make sense.  On social issues, I wouldn't doubt that.  Some NE Philadelphians want a totalitarian police state and are borderline nut jobs about abortion and gay marriage.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:10:26 AM
1) My dislike for Montco is to your dislike for Potter county. I like how when I bring up an area of the district suddenly it's a "sick obsession." We're talking PA 13 here. There are two parts: Montco and Philly. Montco is the socially liberal haven of the district so that's why I brought it up.

2) You are left of liberal. Not a far left winger (if you would actually read what I say you'd notice that I said that) but you certainly aren't a moderate like you'd like some to believe.

3) The views you listed are the exact reasons why I think you are left of liberal when compared to your average Northeast Philadelphian. Pro-Choice in most cases, against the death penalty, favoring marijuana legalization, etc.

2.  Left of liberal, but not far leftie.. hmm?  Which politician(s) would you consider "left of liberal"?

3.  Left of liberal when comaped to your avg. NE Philadelphian might make sense.  On social issues, I wouldn't doubt that.  Some NE Philadelphians want a totalitarian police state and are borderline nut jobs about abortion and gay marriage.   

Left of liberal - Howard Dean. He's not a far left winger like Kucinich, Barbara Lee or Bernie Sanders but he's not  your average liberal.

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:20:05 AM
1) My dislike for Montco is to your dislike for Potter county. I like how when I bring up an area of the district suddenly it's a "sick obsession." We're talking PA 13 here. There are two parts: Montco and Philly. Montco is the socially liberal haven of the district so that's why I brought it up.

2) You are left of liberal. Not a far left winger (if you would actually read what I say you'd notice that I said that) but you certainly aren't a moderate like you'd like some to believe.

3) The views you listed are the exact reasons why I think you are left of liberal when compared to your average Northeast Philadelphian. Pro-Choice in most cases, against the death penalty, favoring marijuana legalization, etc.

2.  Left of liberal, but not far leftie.. hmm?  Which politician(s) would you consider "left of liberal"?

3.  Left of liberal when comaped to your avg. NE Philadelphian might make sense.  On social issues, I wouldn't doubt that.  Some NE Philadelphians want a totalitarian police state and are borderline nut jobs about abortion and gay marriage.   

Left of liberal - Howard Dean. He's not a far left winger like Kucinich, Barbara Lee or Bernie Sanders but he's not  your average liberal.

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

Ok, now we have that cleared up as to what your opinion is.  In mine Rick Santorum is near the far right wing.  Not Coburn, DeMint, Lott, or Inhofe, but pretty close.  You may think he's a moderate, but IHMO he's not.  Moderates for me are Snowe, Specter, Chaffee, Schwarzenegger, etc.  You call them RINOs.  Then again I call the likes of Zell Miller, John Breaux, and Ben Nelson DINOs.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:21:22 AM
1) My dislike for Montco is to your dislike for Potter county. I like how when I bring up an area of the district suddenly it's a "sick obsession." We're talking PA 13 here. There are two parts: Montco and Philly. Montco is the socially liberal haven of the district so that's why I brought it up.

2) You are left of liberal. Not a far left winger (if you would actually read what I say you'd notice that I said that) but you certainly aren't a moderate like you'd like some to believe.

3) The views you listed are the exact reasons why I think you are left of liberal when compared to your average Northeast Philadelphian. Pro-Choice in most cases, against the death penalty, favoring marijuana legalization, etc.

2.  Left of liberal, but not far leftie.. hmm?  Which politician(s) would you consider "left of liberal"?

3.  Left of liberal when comaped to your avg. NE Philadelphian might make sense.  On social issues, I wouldn't doubt that.  Some NE Philadelphians want a totalitarian police state and are borderline nut jobs about abortion and gay marriage.   

Left of liberal - Howard Dean. He's not a far left winger like Kucinich, Barbara Lee or Bernie Sanders but he's not  your average liberal.

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

Ok, now we have that cleared up as to what your opinion is.  In mine Rick Santorum is near the far right wing.  Not Coburn, DeMint, Lott, or Inhofe, but pretty close.  You may think he's a moderate, but IHMO he's not.  Moderates for me are Snowe, Specter, Chaffee, Schwarzenegger, etc.  You call them RINOs.  Then again I call the likes of Zell Miller, John Breaux, and Ben Nelson DINOs.

No way do I think Santorum is moderate. He's a conservative.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:27:26 AM

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

Read my post.  I said some are nut jobs.  Probably about 10-15%.  The again some neighborhoods in NE Philly are quite pro-choice and socially liebral.  "This is a conservative area"- I wouldn't go that far. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:32:54 AM

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

  "This is a conservative area"- I wouldn't go that far. 

I would.  :)

There are parts of the Northeast that are socially conservative and fiscally conservative, Flyers. I don't think the Union hall type economic thoughts are as strong as you'd like to believe.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:43:39 AM

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

  "This is a conservative area"- I wouldn't go that far. 

I would.  :)

There are parts of the Northeast that are socially conservative and fiscally conservative, Flyers. I don't think the Union hall type economic thoughts are as strong as you'd like to believe.

First sentence- Fox Chase, some areas near Holy Family College, east side of Knights Rd.  Far from the majority though.

Second sentence- Pretty strong though even among Republicans.





 



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:45:45 AM

On social issues, there should be no doubt that you are left of liberal compared to an NE Philadelphian. This is a conservative area. We aren't "nut jobs" on abortion and gay marriage and the suggestion of a police state? Come on.

  "This is a conservative area"- I wouldn't go that far. 

I would.  :)

There are parts of the Northeast that are socially conservative and fiscally conservative, Flyers. I don't think the Union hall type economic thoughts are as strong as you'd like to believe.

First sentence- Fox Chase, some areas near Holy Family College, east side of Knights Rd.  Far from the majority though.

I love the fact that that's my area.  :)

I also understand that it's not the majority.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:48:39 AM
One thing I don't get with this area in general though.  It seems the more affluent areas are more socially liberal in PA 13.  This also includes Bustleton, Pine Valley, and Somerton as well along with Montco.  This is of course a generalization.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 01:50:26 AM
One thing I don't get with this area in general though.  It seems the more affluent areas are more socially liberal in PA 13.  This also includes Bustleton, Pine Valley, and Somerton as well along with Montco.  This is of course a generalization.     

I think Somerton would probably be socially conservative. Pine Valley...not sure. Bustleton - liberal.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 01:56:20 AM
Just your opinion Keystone about NE Philly (generally north of Frankford Creek, but I'll include Juniata, Port Richmond, and Fishtown) :

1. Most liberal section:
2. Most conservative:
3. Most populist:
4. Most libertarian:

my answers

1. Oxford Circle
2. Fox Chase
3. Bridesburg
4. Pine Valley



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
Just your opinion Keystone about NE Philly (generally north of Frankford Creek, but I'll include Juniata, Port Richmond, and Fishtown) :

1. Most liberal section:
2. Most conservative:
3. Most populist:
4. Most libertarian:

my answers

1. Oxford Circle
2. Fox Chase
3. Bridesburg
4. Pine Valley



Most Liberal - Buselton
Most Conservative - Fox Chase
Most Populist - Bridesburg
Most Libertarian - Not really sure to be honest.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 24, 2005, 02:14:37 AM
Just your opinion Keystone about NE Philly (generally north of Frankford Creek, but I'll include Juniata, Port Richmond, and Fishtown) :

1. Most liberal section:
2. Most conservative:
3. Most populist:
4. Most libertarian:

my answers

1. Oxford Circle
2. Fox Chase
3. Bridesburg
4. Pine Valley



Most Liberal - Buselton
Most Conservative - Fox Chase
Most Populist - Bridesburg
Most Libertarian - Not really sure to be honest.

Trust me, Oxford Circle/Castor Gardens is moreso.  Largely on economics though.  Libertarian you are right though- there aren't really any. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 03, 2005, 03:20:01 PM
Well now this is interesting...

From PoliticsPA


Schwartz Invites Potential 2006 Challenger to State of the Union

()

"I was honored that Al Taubenberger accepted my invitation to attend the State of the Union as my special guest. I look forward to working with him on increasing economic development in Northeast Philadelphia and helping local small business owners," said Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 04, 2005, 04:01:25 AM
Well now this is interesting...

From PoliticsPA


Schwartz Invites Potential 2006 Challenger to State of the Union

()

"I was honored that Al Taubenberger accepted my invitation to attend the State of the Union as my special guest. I look forward to working with him on increasing economic development in Northeast Philadelphia and helping local small business owners," said Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz


Yeah, I agree.  They are polar opposites.  Well I knew Allyson would be bipartisan.  Keystone, from what I'm hearing from people, she won't be as liberal as you think.  Granted, she is one as am I.  I have no problem with that at all!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 07, 2005, 09:58:03 PM
Well now this is interesting...

From PoliticsPA


Schwartz Invites Potential 2006 Challenger to State of the Union

()

"I was honored that Al Taubenberger accepted my invitation to attend the State of the Union as my special guest. I look forward to working with him on increasing economic development in Northeast Philadelphia and helping local small business owners," said Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz


Yeah, I agree.  They are polar opposites.  Well I knew Allyson would be bipartisan.  Keystone, from what I'm hearing from people, she won't be as liberal as you think.  Granted, she is one as am I.  I have no problem with that at all!

I won't say that she's a bipartisan just yet. Was this a nice move? Yes, I'll give her that.

Flyers, don't think that I want Schwartz to be as liberal as I'm saying she will be. I don't want people to look at PA 13 and think it's part of San Francisco. However, the fact of the matter is, Schwartz was one of the most liberal members (if not, the most liberal member of the PA State Senate) and she'll be to your left in Congress.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 08, 2005, 02:10:13 AM
Well now this is interesting...

From PoliticsPA


Schwartz Invites Potential 2006 Challenger to State of the Union

()

"I was honored that Al Taubenberger accepted my invitation to attend the State of the Union as my special guest. I look forward to working with him on increasing economic development in Northeast Philadelphia and helping local small business owners," said Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz


Yeah, I agree.  They are polar opposites.  Well I knew Allyson would be bipartisan.  Keystone, from what I'm hearing from people, she won't be as liberal as you think.  Granted, she is one as am I.  I have no problem with that at all!

I won't say that she's a bipartisan just yet. Was this a nice move? Yes, I'll give her that.

Flyers, don't think that I want Schwartz to be as liberal as I'm saying she will be. I don't want people to look at PA 13 and think it's part of San Francisco. However, the fact of the matter is, Schwartz was one of the most liberal members (if not, the most liberal member of the PA State Senate) and she'll be to your left in Congress.

I know PA 13 is not San Francisco, but admit it we are one of the more liberal areas of the country.  We are to the left of Evan Bayh, Joe Lieberman and Bob Casey.  Sorry, I know you're conservative, but there are a lot of lefties and moderates in PA 13.  Conservatives are more of a prescence and might I add more vocal in PA 13 than in CA 8 or CA 12.  I will admit Joe Torsella is more representative of PA 13 than Allyson Schwartz in ideology, but that is basically moderate liberal pushing centrist.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 08, 2005, 03:19:59 PM
Well now this is interesting...

From PoliticsPA


Schwartz Invites Potential 2006 Challenger to State of the Union

()

"I was honored that Al Taubenberger accepted my invitation to attend the State of the Union as my special guest. I look forward to working with him on increasing economic development in Northeast Philadelphia and helping local small business owners," said Congresswoman Allyson Schwartz


Yeah, I agree.  They are polar opposites.  Well I knew Allyson would be bipartisan.  Keystone, from what I'm hearing from people, she won't be as liberal as you think.  Granted, she is one as am I.  I have no problem with that at all!

I won't say that she's a bipartisan just yet. Was this a nice move? Yes, I'll give her that.

Flyers, don't think that I want Schwartz to be as liberal as I'm saying she will be. I don't want people to look at PA 13 and think it's part of San Francisco. However, the fact of the matter is, Schwartz was one of the most liberal members (if not, the most liberal member of the PA State Senate) and she'll be to your left in Congress.

I know PA 13 is not San Francisco, but admit it we are one of the more liberal areas of the country. 

We're one of the most liberal areas of the country? I know we have plenty of liberals and moderates but your statement is ridiculous.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 21, 2005, 03:00:08 AM
Bump.  Forgot to say, PA 13 is left of center.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 21, 2005, 07:24:37 AM
Bump.  Forgot to say, PA 13 is left of center.

Wow you're an ass.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on February 22, 2005, 12:54:53 AM
DELETE THIS THREAD DAVE!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 22, 2005, 02:50:52 AM

So is Rick Santorum.  Your point?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 22, 2005, 02:03:08 PM

Wow. That was too good for me! Now watch this...so is Allyson Schwartz! Do we really want this thread to become personal attack thread? No. Do we really want to provoke each other? No. So I suggest we stop.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 22, 2005, 04:35:24 PM

Do we really want this thread to become personal attack thread? No. Do we really want to provoke each other? No. So I suggest we stop.



And the rest of the forum concurs!

Oh New Federalist. The rest of the forum wants PA 13 gone. PA 13 is going no where!  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Rob on February 22, 2005, 07:23:57 PM
Its said PA 13 is among the top 10 of the toss up house races in the Country. The way it looks in the District, Melissa Brown has it in the bag. Any thoughts?

This is the post that started the whole thing. Amazing, isn't it?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 22, 2005, 07:28:56 PM
Its said PA 13 is among the top 10 of the toss up house races in the Country. The way it looks in the District, Melissa Brown has it in the bag. Any thoughts?

This is the post that started the whole thing. Amazing, isn't it?

Yeah that was a friend of mine who volunteered on the Brown campaign also. At the time, we honestly did think this seat was in the bag. PA 13 would be a definite GOP pickup in our eyes. Then Flyers2005, who is also from the same district (same area of the city actually) found the thread and then the debate began. Politics is very interesting around here. That's why we are able to have a 60 page debate.  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Dave from Michigan on February 22, 2005, 07:58:19 PM
I just found out that several members of my family live in PA 13 and PA 8.  Our family reunions are held in PA most of the time, thats the only time I ever see these people.  Unfortuntely I haven't seen them in a few years and don't know there political views. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 22, 2005, 08:08:31 PM
I just found out that several members of my family live in PA 13 and PA 8.  Our family reunions are held in PA most of the time, thats the only time I ever see these people.  Unfortuntely I haven't seen them in a few years and don't know there political views. 

See. There's a bit of PA 13 in everyone!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Gabu on February 22, 2005, 08:26:40 PM
I just found out that several members of my family live in PA 13 and PA 8.  Our family reunions are held in PA most of the time, thats the only time I ever see these people.  Unfortuntely I haven't seen them in a few years and don't know there political views. 

See. There's a bit of PA 13 in everyone!

Not me, and I hope to keep it that way. :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 23, 2005, 04:01:23 AM
Its said PA 13 is among the top 10 of the toss up house races in the Country. The way it looks in the District, Melissa Brown has it in the bag. Any thoughts?

This is the post that started the whole thing. Amazing, isn't it?

Yeah that was a friend of mine who volunteered on the Brown campaign also. At the time, we honestly did think this seat was in the bag. PA 13 would be a definite GOP pickup in our eyes. Then Flyers2005, who is also from the same district (same area of the city actually) found the thread and then the debate began. Politics is very interesting around here. That's why we are able to have a 60 page debate.  :)

Yeah, I had an original PA 13 back in April 2004 before the primaries.  It was actually a poll between Schwartz, Torsella, Bard, Brown, and Taubenberger.  Unfortunately that one died out until KeystonePhil and TeenGOP joined us. 

This thread will continue for a long while.  Get used to it! 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 13, 2005, 05:41:19 PM
page 3 :o  BUMP


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 05:48:28 PM

What?

For those wondering, PA 13 debates will likely start up again towards the end of this year or definetley the beginning of next year (for the GOP primary).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 13, 2005, 05:55:10 PM

What?

For those wondering, PA 13 debates will likely start up again towards the end of this year or definetley the beginning of next year (for the GOP primary).

It was on page 3


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 05:56:13 PM

What?

For those wondering, PA 13 debates will likely start up again towards the end of this year or definetley the beginning of next year (for the GOP primary).

It was on page 3

Yeah. That should have been expected. There's not much to discuss as of now but like I said, wait until later in the year for debate to pick up.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 13, 2005, 06:13:27 PM
Well here's my take for the GOP.

Most likely to run:

Al Taubenberger-  President of the Fox Chase Civic Association and the Greater Northeast Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce.  Very popular in that neighborhood, but then again, Fox Chase blows the rest of Northeast Philadelphia out in conservatism having voted Bush by over 60% in most Fox Chase divisions.  He is however extremely conservative and would lose a significant portion of the Brown vote especially in socially liberal Montgomery County.  He is anti-choice whcih bodes well among observant Catholics, but there is little to no chance he's winning.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 60
Taubenberger- 40

Highly probable:

Bruce Castor-  Popular Montgomery County District Attorney.  Castor Avenue is also a notable street in Norheast Philadelphia and named after his grandfather.  Has an 80% approval rating in Montco and would liekly win that portion of the district.  He is young and anti-choice.  Would close down Northeast Phialdelphia's wide gap from the 2004 election as well.  However, unions will be out and about as usual in NE Philly and NARAL will go to work in Montco.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 50
Castor- 50

Too close to call.

John Taylor- PA State Representative of the 177th District.  Encompasses some heavily Democratic areas and half his district is in the 13th Congressional.  Also a 1973 graduate of Northeast Catholic (my alma mater btw) and many grads live in Northeast Philadelphia and some in Montgomery County.  Possible nostalgia effect for him.  He is also an economic moderate, populist Republican and I think the unions won't hit him as heavily.  He is well liked in his district with a lot of union members.  However he is an unknown in Montco and anti-choice which could be lethal for him there.  Would marginally win Northeast Philadelphia, but get creamed in Montgomery County.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 53
Taylor- 47

Dennis O'Brien- PA State Represenative of the 169th District.  Popular in his district with very high approval ratings even amongst Democrats.  Ideologically the same as John Taylor, but represents a wealthier, more Republican district.  Unlike Taylor, he is not that well known outside his district.  He would close the gap on Schwartz in Northeast Philadelphia, but Schwartz would still come out on top.  Like Taylor, same problems in Montco.

Prediction:
Schwartz-56
O'Brien-44

nini2287, if there are any Montco picks, I'd like to hear them.    


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 06:18:19 PM
Well here's my take for the GOP.

Most likely to run:

Al Taubenberger-  President of the Fox Chase Civic Association and the Greater Northeast Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce.  Very popular in that neighborhood, but then again, Fox Chase blows the rest of Northeast Philadelphia out in conservatism having voted Bush by over 60% in most Fox Chase divisions.  He is however extremely conservative and would lose a significant portion of the Brown vote especially in socially liberal Montgomery County.  He is anti-choice whcih bodes well among observant Catholics, but there is little to no chance he's winning.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 60
Taubenberger- 40

Highly probable:

Bruce Castor-  Popular Montgomery County District Attorney.  Castor Avenue is also a notable street in Norheast Philadelphia and named after his grandfather.  Has an 80% approval rating in Montco and would liekly win that portion of the district.  He is young and anti-choice.  Would close down Northeast Phialdelphia's wide gap from the 2004 election as well.  However, unions will be out and about as usual in NE Philly and NARAL will go to work in Montco.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 50
Castor- 50

Too close to call.

John Taylor- PA State Representative of the 177th District.  Encompasses some heavily Democratic areas and half his district is in the 13th Congressional.  Also a 1973 graduate of Northeast Catholic (my alma mater btw) and many grads live in Northeast Philadelphia and some in Montgomery County.  Possible nostalgia effect for him.  He is also an economic moderate, populist Republican and I think the unions won't hit him as heavily.  He is well liked in his district with a lot of union members.  However he is an unknown in Montco and anti-choice which could be lethal for him there.  Would marginally win Northeast Philadelphia, but get creamed in Montgomery County.

Prediction:
Schwartz- 53
Taylor- 47

Dennis O'Brien- PA State Represenative of the 169th District.  Popular in his district with very high approval ratings even amongst Democrats.  Ideologically the same as John Taylor, but represents a wealthier, more Republican district.  Unlike Taylor, he is not that well known outside his district.  He would close the gap on Schwartz in Northeast Philadelphia, but Schwartz would still come out on top.  Like Taylor, same problems in Montco.

Prediction:
Schwartz-56
O'Brien-44

nini2287, if there are any Montco picks, I'd like to hear them.    

Very good idea posting the likely 2006 races. I'll get working on that right now!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 06:37:52 PM
Here is my analysis. I included a third party candidate (likely Moulton again) and gave the candidate the amount of support he/she would likely receive. McDermott would likely not be a candidate (especially if Taubenberger gets the nomination).

Almost certain to run:

Al Taubenberger - Pretty much what Flyers said. He'd do well in certain the Northeast neighborhoods but would be very unpopular in Montco. McDermott, who is a Taubenberger fan, would not run.

Schwartz - 57%
Taubenberger - 42%
Other - 1%

Joe McColgan - Ran against Borksi in '90 and '96. Not as well known in the Northeast as Taubenberger and would have clear problems in Montco due to his social conservativism.

Schwartz - 58%
McColgan - 41%
Other - 1%

Might run:

Bruce Castor - Very popular in Montco and would connect well with Northeast Philadelphians. Well known in the district. Like Flyers pointed out, Schwartz would have the unions and Pro Choice groups out full force for what would clearly be her toughest challenge.

Castor - 51%
Schwartz - 48%
Other - 1%

I think Castor would win it but I'll keep it in the Too Close to Call column.

Unlikely to run:

The following are unlikely to run but I decided to throw in my analysis anyway.

John Taylor - Popular State Rep. from Northeast Philadelphia. Can connect well with NE Philly Dems and probably would receive some union support but wouldn't receive a warm reception out in Montco.

Schwartz - 52%
Taylor - 47%
Other - 1%

Denny O'Brien - My State Rep. Very popular official who hasn't had an opponent in the last two elections (even with opponents, O'Brien receives about 85-95% of the vote). Like Taylor, he connects well with Republicans and Dems. Montco still a problem.

Schwartz - 52%
O'Brien - 47%
Other - 1%


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 13, 2005, 06:53:10 PM
Actually Castor does not want to be a legislator and even said it.  I forgot about McColgan.  Don't you think Taylor would do better than O'Brien?  I think Taylor is more recognizable even though he ironically doesn't live in the district.  The whole North Catholic factor may sound stupid, but we are a much bigger alumni for we've been around much longer and at one time NC was packed to the gills.  A lot of these grads live farther up in the NE in the 13th.  Also remeber older people are more likely to vote.  Taylor speaks at a lot of North events.  Just my analysis, not a bias.  Still would vote Schwartz.  Please elaborate O'Brien if you can.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 07:02:48 PM
Actually Castor does not want to be a legislator and even said it.  I forgot about McColgan.  Don't you think Taylor would do better than O'Brien?  I think Taylor is more recognizable even though he ironically doesn't live in the district.  The whole North Catholic factor may sound stupid, but we are a much bigger alumni for we've been around much longer and at one time NC was packed to the gills.  A lot of these grads live farther up in the NE in the 13th.  Also remeber older people are more likely to vote.  Taylor speaks at a lot of North events.  Just my analysis, not a bias.  Still would vote Schwartz.  Please elaborate O'Brien if you can.

Castor might not have the urge to go into the Legislative branch but if he receives enough pressure from the party, he might run.

Taylor does live in the district. I think we discussed this once before. I'd say both are equally known outside of their districts. Remember that parts of Kenney's district used to be O'Brien's.

If older people are more likely to vote, I'd give O'Brien the edge. PA 169 has a big senior population. O'Brien is also very visible around Archbishop Ryan. Many people around here either went to Ryan or have kids that go there. If there is an open house, a leadership event or a career day, count on O'Brien to be there.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Akno21 on March 13, 2005, 07:34:59 PM
Gotta give you guys credit, you know your district. I sure as hell don't know MD-7 as well as you know PA-13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 13, 2005, 09:07:13 PM
Gotta give you guys credit, you know your district. I sure as hell don't know MD-7 as well as you know PA-13.

Ditto, though I would bet it is a little easier when the district is small like PA-13 is.  Mine has parts of 10 counties in it, but I doubt I know my own county as well as they know their district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 11:44:43 PM
Gotta give you guys credit, you know your district. I sure as hell don't know MD-7 as well as you know PA-13.

Ditto, though I would bet it is a little easier when the district is small like PA-13 is.  Mine has parts of 10 counties in it, but I doubt I know my own county as well as they know their district.

While we certainly aren't as big as PA 10, this is a big district with many diverse areas. In just 15 minutes, you can drive from the heart of Mayfair, a neighborhood in NE Philly that has seen better days, to an affluent community in Montgomery county. The views change drastically. It really is an interesting district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2005, 11:47:42 PM
I'm going to point this out, again.  PA-13 is one of those key districts that could elect a Republican and has had 3 4 different representatives in the last 14 years.  In 1996, it was the closest or second closest district in the nation.

The thread can be a bit of a microcosm for the US House.  This thread gives a great deal of insight into this district.  Keep it by all means.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2005, 11:51:49 PM
I'm going to point this out, again.  PA-13 is one of those key districts that could elect a Republican and has had 3 4 different representatives in the last 14 years.  In 1996, it was the closest or second closest district in the nation.

The thread can be a bit of a microcosm for the US House.  This thread gives a great deal of insight into this district.  Keep it by all means.

Thank you, J.J. I can understand why some don't understand why this district and this area's politics are important. You really have to be from around here to know what it's all about.

Even if 2006 brings a race where Schwartz is a clear favorite, I am willing to bet that it will be just as exciting as this past election.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 14, 2005, 01:49:39 PM
I'm going to point this out, again.  PA-13 is one of those key districts that could elect a Republican and has had 3 4 different representatives in the last 14 years.  In 1996, it was the closest or second closest district in the nation.

The thread can be a bit of a microcosm for the US House.  This thread gives a great deal of insight into this district.  Keep it by all means.

Thank you, J.J. I can understand why some don't understand why this district and this area's politics are important. You really have to be from around here to know what it's all about.

Even if 2006 brings a race where Schwartz is a clear favorite, I am willing to bet that it will be just as exciting as this past election.

It will be especially if Bruce Castor runs.  PA 13's politics are a microcosm of the nation as J.J eluded to.  Populism, liberalism, conservatism, and libertarianism are spread out in sprinkles around the district.  Like Keystone said you can drive 5 minutes and find a totally different world within the district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: PBrunsel on March 14, 2005, 04:52:41 PM
It's neat you have exciting Congressional races in Pennsylvania. I quote my local news station on Novemeber 2nd, 2004,:

"Grassley wins landslide- No surprise"

"Nussle wins landslide- No surprise"

"Leach wins landslide- No surprise"

Than the big surprise came:

"Bush leads in Iowa, no- wait that is a surprise."

I lie to you not! :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 20, 2005, 10:37:40 PM
Post#950.  Post Section 8 comments here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 10:39:58 PM
If Nickshepdem is reading, Section 8 is the definition of a hot topic issue in PA 13 (the NE Philly part). The strong focus on this issue allowed Brown to make PA 13 a very competitive race in 2002.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Moooooo on March 20, 2005, 10:42:23 PM
Jesus, this thread is long.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 10:43:11 PM

PA 13 is a very interesting area politically.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 20, 2005, 10:44:04 PM

We'll be pushing 1000 posts.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 10:45:50 PM

We'll easily get to 1000 by the end of this year.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Moooooo on March 20, 2005, 10:47:08 PM
What would happened if this thread was accidently deleted? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 10:48:32 PM
What would happened if this thread was accidently deleted? 

It wouldn't be a good day.  PA 13 will live!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MHS2002 on March 20, 2005, 11:07:01 PM
What would happened if this thread was accidently deleted? 

Nothing can hold down PA-13. Believe me, most of the people on the forum have already tried ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Joe Republic on March 20, 2005, 11:22:08 PM
I honestly do believe I know more about PA-13 than any other district in Congress, including my own.  And that's a compliment (I guess), by the way. ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 11:31:01 PM
What would happened if this thread was accidently deleted? 

Someone should  archive this thread, and I'm being dead serious to.  To much stuff to lose if the forum crashes.  Someone should look into it.

Thank you for that comment. I do believe that this thread is the perfect example of forum debate. Sometimes it got ugly but most of the time it was just two people, sharing their opinions and views of a very interesting Congressional district. This thread has also helped shape what I see as the greatest rivalry on this forum.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Joe Republic on March 20, 2005, 11:33:19 PM
What happened to TeenGOP, the guy who started this thread?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 20, 2005, 11:34:02 PM
What happened to TeenGOP, the guy who started this thread?

I think he left for good. I know Phil said he knew him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2005, 11:35:36 PM
What happened to TeenGOP, the guy who started this thread?

I think he left for good. I know Phil said he knew him.

He's one of my good friends. He wasn't a fan of the whole internet forum thing. He had a few arguments with Flyers and BRTD. Funny thing is, they think he left because they called him a troll and he couldn't handle them which is far from the truth.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 21, 2005, 02:08:59 PM
Bringing up BRTD's point from another thread about lawn signs and houses.  You make a good point.  Homeowners are more likely to have more money are are more spread out.  Northeast Philadelphia has a large percentage of apartment complexes.  Homeowners are more spread out, but I've seen a fair number of Schwartz signs even there.  The one part of Mayfair that had a sickening number of Brown signs was an anomaly because John Perzel is extremely popular along that stretch of Ryan Ave I'm referring to and a lot of cops live there. 

One thing I notice is Democrats don't advertise as heavily as Republicans do.  Granted, Schwartz volunteers put signs every 6 feet on major arteries, but they were largely out of area people, but locally the GOP are more aggressive about their politics.  Other than union leaders and committepeople, Democrats will by and large not put up lawn signs whereas Republicans need to show their dominance.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 21, 2005, 02:52:41 PM
Bringing up BRTD's point from another thread about lawn signs and houses.  You make a good point.  Homeowners are more likely to have more money are are more spread out.  Northeast Philadelphia has a large percentage of apartment complexes.  Homeowners are more spread out, but I've seen a fair number of Schwartz signs even there.  The one part of Mayfair that had a sickening number of Brown signs was an anomaly because John Perzel is extremely popular along that stretch of Ryan Ave I'm referring to and a lot of cops live there. 

One thing I notice is Democrats don't advertise as heavily as Republicans do.  Granted, Schwartz volunteers put signs every 6 feet on major arteries, but they were largely out of area people, but locally the GOP are more aggressive about their politics.  Other than union leaders and committepeople, Democrats will by and large not put up lawn signs whereas Republicans need to show their dominance.

What's worse? Out of the area Dems litering our streets with signs every couple of feet or people putting up signs on their lawn?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 21, 2005, 11:07:31 PM
Bringing up BRTD's point from another thread about lawn signs and houses.  You make a good point.  Homeowners are more likely to have more money are are more spread out.  Northeast Philadelphia has a large percentage of apartment complexes.  Homeowners are more spread out, but I've seen a fair number of Schwartz signs even there.  The one part of Mayfair that had a sickening number of Brown signs was an anomaly because John Perzel is extremely popular along that stretch of Ryan Ave I'm referring to and a lot of cops live there. 

One thing I notice is Democrats don't advertise as heavily as Republicans do.  Granted, Schwartz volunteers put signs every 6 feet on major arteries, but they were largely out of area people, but locally the GOP are more aggressive about their politics.  Other than union leaders and committepeople, Democrats will by and large not put up lawn signs whereas Republicans need to show their dominance.

What's worse? Out of the area Dems litering our streets with signs every couple of feet or people putting up signs on their lawn?

It's not just the Dems....Jon Fox must own a forest with all of his signs for his recent state house race (I remember him doing the same thing for his US house races in the 90s).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 21, 2005, 11:10:56 PM
Bringing up BRTD's point from another thread about lawn signs and houses.  You make a good point.  Homeowners are more likely to have more money are are more spread out.  Northeast Philadelphia has a large percentage of apartment complexes.  Homeowners are more spread out, but I've seen a fair number of Schwartz signs even there.  The one part of Mayfair that had a sickening number of Brown signs was an anomaly because John Perzel is extremely popular along that stretch of Ryan Ave I'm referring to and a lot of cops live there. 

One thing I notice is Democrats don't advertise as heavily as Republicans do.  Granted, Schwartz volunteers put signs every 6 feet on major arteries, but they were largely out of area people, but locally the GOP are more aggressive about their politics.  Other than union leaders and committepeople, Democrats will by and large not put up lawn signs whereas Republicans need to show their dominance.

What's worse? Out of the area Dems litering our streets with signs every couple of feet or people putting up signs on their lawn?

It's not just the Dems....Jon Fox must own a forest with all of his signs for his recent state house race (I remember him doing the same thing for his US house races in the 90s).

I know it's not just Dems. RINO City Councilman Jack Kelly here in Philly was the worst with the signs. But back to the Dems for a second :)  I remember on Primary day, I was walking home from a polling place I was volunteering at. Torsella's people were out in full force, putting signs everywhere. They weren't going to leave a spot of grass open since it was only about two hours until the polls closed. I'm serious when I say that they were just putting one after another, leaving maybe 2 feet (literally) between them.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 21, 2005, 11:16:34 PM
Hah, sounds like my County Commisioners.  The Republicans, Kraft and Mead put these ugly blue and yellow signs up all over the borough and their campaign was fined twice for littering. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 21, 2005, 11:19:12 PM
Hah, sounds like my County Commisioners.  The Republicans, Kraft and Mead put these ugly blue and yellow signs up all over the borough and their campaign was fined twice for littering. 

There was actually a problem in the city at one point. I believe they wanted to ban all signs on the highwway/roadway traffic islands. Now we have a problem with some candidates' signs but banning it was too much. It was fought and we were able to have signs up. However, I do feel there should be littering fines (even though it could become a bit of a headache with the measurements of how far apart each sign in) because it really gets to be too much.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 22, 2005, 07:17:42 PM
Could someone tell me what area these people live approximately?

Bruce Castor
Allyson Schwartz
Melissa Brown
Mike Fitzpatrick
Joe Hoeffel
Dan O'Brien
Mike Stack
Robert Borski
Jon Fox

Approximately, like south Montco, NE Philly, Southern Bucks, etc


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 22, 2005, 07:25:14 PM
Could someone tell me what area these people live approximately?

Bruce Castor
Allyson Schwartz
Melissa Brown
Mike Fitzpatrick
Joe Hoeffel
Dan O'Brien
Mike Stack
Robert Borski
Jon Fox

Approximately, like south Montco, NE Philly, Southern Bucks, etc

Castor - Montco (not sure as to the specifics)

Schwartz - really lives outside of PA 13 but has an apartment in Jenkintown (area in Montco)

Brown - Flourtown (Montco)

Fitzpatrick - somewhere in southern Bucks county (forget which town)

Hoeffel - Abington (just outside Philadelphia)

O'Brien - Don't know a Dan O'Brien. Maybe you're talking about Denny O'Brien, my State Rep.?

Stack - rumored that he lives outside the district but has a residence in Somerton (Philly neighborhood)

Borski - a few streets away from me. Torresdale section of Northeast Philly.

Fox - somewhere in Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on March 22, 2005, 07:28:38 PM
Ah, didn't know Schwartz carpet bagged.  Hmm


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 22, 2005, 11:22:05 PM
Could someone tell me what area these people live approximately?

Bruce Castor
Allyson Schwartz
Melissa Brown
Mike Fitzpatrick
Joe Hoeffel
Dan O'Brien
Mike Stack
Robert Borski
Jon Fox

Approximately, like south Montco, NE Philly, Southern Bucks, etc

Castor - Montco (not sure as to the specifics)

Schwartz - really lives outside of PA 13 but has an apartment in Jenkintown (area in Montco)

Brown - Flourtown (Montco)

Fitzpatrick - somewhere in southern Bucks county (forget which town)

Hoeffel - Abington (just outside Philadelphia)

O'Brien - Don't know a Dan O'Brien. Maybe you're talking about Denny O'Brien, my State Rep.?

Stack - rumored that he lives outside the district but has a residence in Somerton (Philly neighborhood)

Borski - a few streets away from me. Torresdale section of Northeast Philly.

Fox - somewhere in Montco.

I think Jon Fox lives in Abington too.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on March 23, 2005, 02:01:27 AM

We'll easily get to 1000 by the end of this year.

Being only 26 posts away from the 1000 mark, by the end of this month would be a better estimate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on March 23, 2005, 02:16:23 AM
Fitzpatrick-Middletown Twp.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 02, 2005, 07:57:32 PM
And this one looks just as good right next to it. :)  Alcon, if you can merge these, that would be great!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 02, 2005, 07:58:59 PM
And this one looks just as good right next to it. :)  Alcon, if you can merge these, that would be great!

I don't believe they should be merged. It's just not the same.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 02, 2005, 08:00:45 PM
Speaking of PA 13....  :)

How about the idea of former State Rep. Ellen Bard (ugh) running for the seat again? I would hate to vote for her but she is alittle better than Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 03, 2005, 08:57:16 PM
Speaking of PA 13....  :)

How about the idea of former State Rep. Ellen Bard (ugh) running for the seat again? I would hate to vote for her but she is alittle better than Schwartz.

I'd like you're input on this, Flyers.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 03, 2005, 09:17:16 PM
Speaking of PA 13....  :)

How about the idea of former State Rep. Ellen Bard (ugh) running for the seat again? I would hate to vote for her but she is alittle better than Schwartz.

I'd like you're input on this, Flyers.

I know little about her.  Dems need seats so I don't think I'll be switching


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 03, 2005, 09:21:01 PM
Speaking of PA 13....  :)

How about the idea of former State Rep. Ellen Bard (ugh) running for the seat again? I would hate to vote for her but she is alittle better than Schwartz.

I'd like you're input on this, Flyers.

I know little about her.  Dems need seats so I don't think I'll be switching

Oh no I didn't suggest that you'd switch (and support Bard). I just wanted your opinion on her chances (I have my own already).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 05, 2005, 03:14:09 AM
Just something for Phil to be proud of.  However, were these people ever inaccurate regarding which part of the district voted more for who. Your efforts have not gone unrecognized by Larry Sabato:

Pennsylvania (13) (Open Seat)
Outlook: Leans Democratic


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November 3, 2004 Update:

As the Crystal Ball predicted, Democrat Allyson Schwartz won, leading Melissa Brown with 56 percent of the vote.



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In yet another district where Republican Senator Arlen Specter's seat was the envy of the incumbent, in this case Democrat Joe Hoeffel, the Crystal Ball sees a tough campaign for either candidate. State Senator Allyson Schwartz took 52 percent of the vote in the Democratic two-way primary with Republican doctor Melissa Brown taking just 39 percent in a three-way race. Southeastern and central Montgomery County will provide the muscle Schwartz needs to keep this seat in the Democrats' column, but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown. Hoeffel garnered just 51 percent last time around, but Schwartz still has the tiniest of margins to keep this race tilted in her direction.



November 1, 2004 Update:

The Crystal Ball predicts that Democrat Allyson Schwartz will win the Pennsylvania 13th Congressional District race.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 05, 2005, 02:24:42 PM
but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown.

And the campaign blew it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 06, 2005, 03:20:34 AM
but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown.

And the campaign blew it.

I beg to differ on Sabato's analysis.  In Mayfair there is one, but elsewhere I'm not so sure.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 06, 2005, 05:23:01 PM
but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown.

And the campaign blew it.

I beg to differ on Sabato's analysis.  In Mayfair there is one, but elsewhere I'm not so sure.

We have a strong party in some key wards.

Did you see the NE Times? They mention Taubenberger and Bard as possible candidates and mention an interesting candidate: Montco County Commissioner Jim Matthews, brother of Chris Matthews. His candidacy would make it a pretty good race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 07, 2005, 02:49:08 AM
but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown.

And the campaign blew it.

I beg to differ on Sabato's analysis.  In Mayfair there is one, but elsewhere I'm not so sure.

We have a strong party in some key wards.

Did you see the NE Times? They mention Taubenberger and Bard as possible candidates and mention an interesting candidate: Montco County Commissioner Jim Matthews, brother of Chris Matthews. His candidacy would make it a pretty good race.

Taubenberger and Bard would have an uphill battle.  I also doubt Jim Matthews will run.  He's not a charismatic as his brother.  In the end I think it will be either McColgan or Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 07, 2005, 02:17:07 PM
but a well-organized Republican operation in Northeastern Philadelphia could swing the district for Brown.

And the campaign blew it.

I beg to differ on Sabato's analysis.  In Mayfair there is one, but elsewhere I'm not so sure.

We have a strong party in some key wards.

Did you see the NE Times? They mention Taubenberger and Bard as possible candidates and mention an interesting candidate: Montco County Commissioner Jim Matthews, brother of Chris Matthews. His candidacy would make it a pretty good race.

Taubenberger and Bard would have an uphill battle.  I also doubt Jim Matthews will run.  He's not a charismatic as his brother.  In the end I think it will be either McColgan or Taubenberger.

Of course Taubenberger and Bard would have an uphill battle. Matthews will probably be turned to if it's looking like Taubenberger or McColgan the whole time. The Montco GOP will look to him but I'm not sure if he would run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 08, 2005, 02:44:11 AM
Best pick for you guys would be Bruce Castor and even then it would be a tossup.  O'Brien or Taylor would tighten the Northeast Philadelphia and Bard would tighten Montgomery County.  I'm sorry, Brown in 2002 or 2004 was your last chance at this seat.  She was a moderate Republican, could raise money and support especially from doctors, and had the Section 8 turbo boost in NE Philly and she STILL couldn't win.  I'll admit I was petrified at the prospect of Schwartz v. Brown this time last year, yet Allyson Schwartz proved me VERY wrong.  For a while I thought Joe Torsella was the best and ONLY chance against Brown this time last year unless it was Bard or Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 08, 2005, 11:31:33 AM
Best pick for you guys would be Bruce Castor and even then it would be a tossup.  O'Brien or Taylor would tighten the Northeast Philadelphia and Bard would tighten Montgomery County.  I'm sorry, Brown in 2002 or 2004 was your last chance at this seat.  She was a moderate Republican, could raise money and support especially from doctors, and had the Section 8 turbo boost in NE Philly and she STILL couldn't win.  I'll admit I was petrified at the prospect of Schwartz v. Brown this time last year, yet Allyson Schwartz proved me VERY wrong.  For a while I thought Joe Torsella was the best and ONLY chance against Brown this time last year unless it was Bard or Taubenberger.

Castor would put us over the edge if he was to run but the word is that he's been looked at for Gov. I'm sure he'll take that (if he's going to run for anything) instead of Congress.

Schwartz is not safe. Matthews would probably put up a good campaign. However, if we put up Taubenberger or McColgan, I'll admit that she has the race won.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 17, 2005, 01:18:37 AM
*bump*

Handicaps as of 4/17/2005:

Northeast Philadelphia and Montco Dems WILL need Maalox and Maryland, New York, and California college kids.

Schwartz 51
Castor 49

Tossup.  Castor wins Montgomery County, but not as well known in NE Philly.  Social Security could make this potential race a nightmare for ANY Republcian espsically given the high senior citizen population.  Montco likes him as DA, but will they be so loyal to him given his ardently anti-abortion stances in Congress?

Schwartz 54
Matthews 46

Montgomery County Commissioner is the brother of MSNBC's Chris, but looks old and doesn't have the appeal of his brother of Bruce Castor.

Possible Scares.  Will put up college kids if need be

Schwartz 57
O'Brien 43

Popular State Rep in PA's 169th District, however 1/2 of it lies in PA 8.  His diming out of John Street (I applaud him for that btw, but would never vote him over Schwartz) with regards to the French and Mumia helps, but it won't be enough.  Strong antiabortion stance CREAMS him in Montco and left-leaning NE Philly areas.  Populist-leaning GOPer, but unions will not gamble on O'Brien.  Expect even stronger NARAL support for Schwartz and similar union backing as in 2004.  Will not vacate seat until retirement and a solid GOP hopeful can safely replace him. 

Schwartz 56
Taylor 44

See O'Brien except in PA's 177th district.  Unions won't gamble, NARAL will be out in force.  Also, won't vacate seat until retirement because the Democrats WILL take the seat!  Difference is Taylor can feed on being a North Catholic alum in NE Philly due to the fact it's an older school.  Will make little difference compared to O'Brien. 

Dems can Relax

Schwartz 59
Taubenberger 41

Taubenberger wins Fox Chase in NE Philly and the far NW sections of Montco, but that's about it.  He'll win hardcore antiabortionists as well.

Schwartz 60
McColgan 40

McWho??  Game over!

Schwartz 58
Bard 42

Hmm...  Could be competitive in PA 153, but I think those people won't oust Schwartz. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 17, 2005, 02:27:46 AM
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Just to illustrate the bipartisan sign war during the 2004 Election.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Alcon on April 17, 2005, 02:37:37 AM
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Just to illustrate the bipartisan sign war during the 2004 Election.

"You know, I was pretty decided once I saw that Schwartz sign 0.0001 seconds ago, but this 6th Brown sign in one block is convincing me that Schwartz may be overstating her support on the uninhabitated stretch of grass on 8th Ave. between Dunlap and MLK Way."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 17, 2005, 02:50:30 AM
What do u mean Alcon?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2005, 08:04:14 PM
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Just to illustrate the bipartisan sign war during the 2004 Election.

Schwartz was clearly the winner in the sign war and winning the sign war in some of these races are key.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2005, 08:06:08 PM
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Just to illustrate the bipartisan sign war during the 2004 Election.

Schwartz was clearly the winner in the sign war and winning the sign war in some of these races are key.

I just noticed something. This was during the primary. I see one of Taubenberger's goofy signs there.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on April 17, 2005, 09:50:49 PM
This thread clearly needs to reach the 1,000 post mark.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2005, 09:55:39 PM
This thread clearly needs to reach the 1,000 post mark.

I'd appreciate it if either myself or Flyers reach 1000. It would only be appropriate.  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on April 17, 2005, 10:11:46 PM
Well, I'm giving y'all the shot, as of now...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on April 17, 2005, 10:16:13 PM
and I'd love to ruin that shot too :)


Title: 1000!!!!!!
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 18, 2005, 01:02:02 AM
I did it!  This was also Post #3111 for me.  Yes, that was a primary shot, BUT this was very similar during the General Election.


Title: Re: 1000!!!!!!
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 18, 2005, 01:55:54 PM
I did it!  This was also Post #3111 for me.  Yes, that was a primary shot, BUT this was very similar during the General Election.

No it was not similar at all during the General. Flyers, put your partisan feelings aside and admit that Schwartz had many more signs than Brown. You couldn't drive down a single major roadway in the area without seeing Schwartz signs every couple of feet.


Title: Re: 1000!!!!!!
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 18, 2005, 01:59:08 PM
I did it!  This was also Post #3111 for me.  Yes, that was a primary shot, BUT this was very similar during the General Election.

No it was not similar at all during the General. Flyers, put your partisan feelings aside and admit that Schwartz had many more signs than Brown. You couldn't drive down a single major roadway in the area without seeing Schwartz signs every couple of feet.

Schwartz did have many more signs and I'm glad she did.  Anyone that bitched about them didn't want her to win anyway.


Title: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 18, 2005, 02:02:50 PM
I did it!  This was also Post #3111 for me.  Yes, that was a primary shot, BUT this was very similar during the General Election.

No it was not similar at all during the General. Flyers, put your partisan feelings aside and admit that Schwartz had many more signs than Brown. You couldn't drive down a single major roadway in the area without seeing Schwartz signs every couple of feet.

Schwartz did have many more signs and I'm glad she did.  Anyone that bitched about them didn't want her to win anyway.

Flyers, she flooded the roadways with signs every two feet. There's a point where you have to stop. And if you knew she had more signs, why did you say that it was pretty much the same as the Primary?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Akno21 on April 18, 2005, 06:56:13 PM

I think he was being sarcastic.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 18, 2005, 07:07:29 PM

No. Apparently, someone left that comment on the website that photo came from. I'm sure the person who commented was being sarcastic.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 29, 2005, 06:33:20 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123876,00.html

That's for anyone who thought myself and Flyers were just talking about another, boring House race. CNN also had an article about the PA 13 fight. During the summer and into the beginning of the fall, PA 13 really was one of the biggest races in the country.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 29, 2005, 06:39:06 PM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on April 29, 2005, 06:40:21 PM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

Is that much different from the 2004 results?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 29, 2005, 11:07:12 PM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

Is that much different from the 2004 results?

We're not sure of the '04 results in the district though I'm sure Kerry was around 55% or more.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No more McShame on April 30, 2005, 01:32:37 AM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

The boundries would have changed after 2000.  The effect of that you would know better than me.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Frodo on April 30, 2005, 04:02:43 AM
will this thread ever die? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 30, 2005, 11:47:55 AM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

The boundries would have changed after 2000.  The effect of that you would know better than me.

We know that. I think this whole time we've been going by the old PA 13 results in the Presidential race (which were around 56 or 57% Gore and around 40 or 41% for Bush) but FOX probably adjusted it for the current PA 13. It's pretty interesting to see it was that close. 2004 probably brought a bigger win for the Dems though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 30, 2005, 03:34:18 PM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

The boundries would have changed after 2000.  The effect of that you would know better than me.

We know that. I think this whole time we've been going by the old PA 13 results in the Presidential race (which were around 56 or 57% Gore and around 40 or 41% for Bush) but FOX probably adjusted it for the current PA 13. It's pretty interesting to see it was that close. 2004 probably brought a bigger win for the Dems though.

You also have to take into consideration the old PA 3 (Bob Borski) as well.  I think that was something like 66% for Gore and Borski got 69%.  Due to redistricting and massive population loss in PA 1 and PA 2, large chunks of the lower Northeast part of Philly were added to those two districts.  I'm surprised the adjustment netted 51 Gore- 47 Bush.

By the way Frodo, VIVA LA PA 13!!!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 30, 2005, 03:35:45 PM
Something from the FOXNEWS article:

The 13th District went for former Vice President Al Gore over George W. Bush 51 percent to 47 percent in 2000

What's that about?

The boundries would have changed after 2000.  The effect of that you would know better than me.

We know that. I think this whole time we've been going by the old PA 13 results in the Presidential race (which were around 56 or 57% Gore and around 40 or 41% for Bush) but FOX probably adjusted it for the current PA 13. It's pretty interesting to see it was that close. 2004 probably brought a bigger win for the Dems though.

 I think that was something like 66% for Gore and Borski got 69%. 

I just checked that. I thought Borski was around 60% in 2000. Never realized that the numbers were that high with him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 30, 2005, 03:47:50 PM
Borski has always done well here for some reason.  Being an anti-choice Democrat surely helped him in the early 1980s when he defeated Charlie Dougherty.  I was only 2 years old when Borski first got elected.  I'm not sure what factors got him elected.  To people outside of PA 13 who think we're just shooting hot air:  Northeast Philly (old PA 3)actually had a Republican Congressman from 1979 to 1983 named Charlie Dougherty.  From my understanding, he cast a decisive vote striking down a big Reagan tax cut, but from some of his News Gleaner articles, he's pretty right wing.  Also, the old PA 13 has been GOP from the Civil War until 1992, was Dem from 92 to 94, then went back to the GOP until 1998 when Joe Hoeffel was elected.  So yes, me and Phil have a lot to discuss here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 30, 2005, 05:01:30 PM
Borski has always done well here for some reason.  Being an anti-choice Democrat surely helped him in the early 1980s when he defeated Charlie Dougherty.  I was only 2 years old when Borski first got elected.  I'm not sure what factors got him elected.  To people outside of PA 13 who think we're just shooting hot air:  Northeast Philly (old PA 3)actually had a Republican Congressman from 1979 to 1983 named Charlie Dougherty.  From my understanding, he cast a decisive vote striking down a big Reagan tax cut, but from some of his News Gleaner articles, he's pretty right wing.  Also, the old PA 13 has been GOP from the Civil War until 1992, was Dem from 92 to 94, then went back to the GOP until 1998 when Joe Hoeffel was elected.  So yes, me and Phil have a lot to discuss here.

1) He has changed many times on the abortion issue.

2) I'm not sure how conservative Dougherty was during his time in Congress. I do know that he must have done something pretty unpopular for him to be booted out. Plus, when he returned to run in 2000, he only received 31% of the vote.

3) The old PA 13 was even more of a battle during the 90s. Imagine if it was like that now!

Slightly off topic: I saw Borski in mass this evening and began to wonder if he'd even run for office again. Any opinion on that, Flyers?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 30, 2005, 06:07:14 PM
Borski has always done well here for some reason.  Being an anti-choice Democrat surely helped him in the early 1980s when he defeated Charlie Dougherty.  I was only 2 years old when Borski first got elected.  I'm not sure what factors got him elected.  To people outside of PA 13 who think we're just shooting hot air:  Northeast Philly (old PA 3)actually had a Republican Congressman from 1979 to 1983 named Charlie Dougherty.  From my understanding, he cast a decisive vote striking down a big Reagan tax cut, but from some of his News Gleaner articles, he's pretty right wing.  Also, the old PA 13 has been GOP from the Civil War until 1992, was Dem from 92 to 94, then went back to the GOP until 1998 when Joe Hoeffel was elected.  So yes, me and Phil have a lot to discuss here.

1) He has changed many times on the abortion issue.

2) I'm not sure how conservative Dougherty was during his time in Congress. I do know that he must have done something pretty unpopular for him to be booted out. Plus, when he returned to run in 2000, he only received 31% of the vote.

3) The old PA 13 was even more of a battle during the 90s. Imagine if it was like that now!

Slightly off topic: I saw Borski in mass this evening and began to wonder if he'd even run for office again. Any opinion on that, Flyers?

It seems NE Philly Dems love to change their position on that issue a few times (see Mike Stack).  That is one shot I'll take against my own party, but then again there are times I don't blame them.  You have to appease older Jewish women in Bustleton or older Irish men in Mayfair.  Not an easy task.  You know if I were running, I'd be consistent even if I were running agaisnt O'Brien or Taylor.

I don't think Borski will run again.  If he were it would be against Dennis O'Brien for PA 169 and I might actually say, that'd be the closest race ANY Dem could do against him.  I think the chances of that are slim to none, but I'd love to see that race. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 30, 2005, 06:17:56 PM
Borski has always done well here for some reason.  Being an anti-choice Democrat surely helped him in the early 1980s when he defeated Charlie Dougherty.  I was only 2 years old when Borski first got elected.  I'm not sure what factors got him elected.  To people outside of PA 13 who think we're just shooting hot air:  Northeast Philly (old PA 3)actually had a Republican Congressman from 1979 to 1983 named Charlie Dougherty.  From my understanding, he cast a decisive vote striking down a big Reagan tax cut, but from some of his News Gleaner articles, he's pretty right wing.  Also, the old PA 13 has been GOP from the Civil War until 1992, was Dem from 92 to 94, then went back to the GOP until 1998 when Joe Hoeffel was elected.  So yes, me and Phil have a lot to discuss here.

1) He has changed many times on the abortion issue.

2) I'm not sure how conservative Dougherty was during his time in Congress. I do know that he must have done something pretty unpopular for him to be booted out. Plus, when he returned to run in 2000, he only received 31% of the vote.

3) The old PA 13 was even more of a battle during the 90s. Imagine if it was like that now!

Slightly off topic: I saw Borski in mass this evening and began to wonder if he'd even run for office again. Any opinion on that, Flyers?

I don't think Borski will run again.  If he were it would be against Dennis O'Brien for PA 169 and I might actually say, that'd be the closest race ANY Dem could do against him.  I think the chances of that are slim to none, but I'd love to see that race. 

He's just barely out of PA 169 and when I mean just barely, I mean about a street away. It would be a closer State House race (no O'Brien 80-90% in this one) but O'Brien would still take it.

I was actually thinking more along the lines of a run for Congress (maybe when Schwartz runs for Senate in 2010) but that's unlikely.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 01, 2005, 06:44:42 PM
This is for you, Flyers.  :P


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Primary night - April 27, 2004 - I was walking home from my friend's polling place and saw some Torsella volunteers walking along the grass median. There was about three hours remaining until the polls closed so these guys were doing some final hour campaigning. They were putting up Torsella signs (the same ones as the one shown above) literally inches apart since the campaign was pretty much over. Their signs didn't make much of a difference though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 06, 2005, 03:14:14 PM
This thread needs to keep going! :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 06, 2005, 03:56:55 PM
This thread needs to keep going! :)

Let's not bump up the thread when we don't have something to discuss. It should find it's way back to the top in the summer/early fall when we begin to see some candidates popping up.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 06, 2005, 05:00:45 PM
This thread needs to keep going! :)

Let's not bump up the thread when we don't have something to discuss. It should find it's way back to the top in the summer/early fall when we begin to see some candidates popping up.

Speaking of which I haven't heard any names other than Taubenberger.  I have heard some names for PA 8 though! :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 06, 2005, 05:03:11 PM
This thread needs to keep going! :)

Let's not bump up the thread when we don't have something to discuss. It should find it's way back to the top in the summer/early fall when we begin to see some candidates popping up.

Speaking of which I haven't heard any names other than Taubenberger.  I have heard some names for PA 8 though! :)

Actually, there is Joe McColgan for PA 13, too. Another interesting possibility - Scott Rutter. He served in Iraq and ran in the 2004 GOP Primary (his candidacy didn't last very long though).

I'm sure you read the NE Times about the possible newest candidate in PA 8. I think his name is Murphy? Interesting candidate but would still get beat. You best shot is PA 6, Flyers. It's going to be hard for you guys to beat Fitz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 06, 2005, 05:09:54 PM
PA 13: Yes I heard about Rutter and McColgan, but I only think Rutter MAY have a chance.  This is not a very pro-war district and I don't think even he would benefit from it.  Taubenberger is known in Fox Chase and I think he will likely be the candidate.

PA 8: His name is Patrick Murphy and I heard about him BEFORE the NE Times.  He actually set up the equivalent of the US DA's office in Iraq.  He may be a secret weapon for us, is very bright and only 32!  I'm not saying he will win, but he sounds better than Schrader.

PA 6:  Our most likely pickup.  Still a tossup though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 06, 2005, 05:14:52 PM
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PA 13: Yes I heard about Rutter and McColgan, but I only think Rutter MAY have a chance.  This is not a very pro-war district and I don't think even he would benefit from it.  Taubenberger is known in Fox Chase and I think he will likely be the candidate.

Wow! I didn't think you'd admit that Rutter might have a chance. It's not a district that was very supportive of the Iraq War but he'd still be a pretty good candidate.

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PA 8: His name is Patrick Murphy and I heard about him BEFORE the NE Times.  He actually set up the equivalent of the US DA's office in Iraq.  He may be a secret weapon for us, is very bright and only 32!  I'm not saying he will win, but he sounds better than Schrader.

He wouldn't win but, yes, I agree that he'd do better than Schrader. Maybe even break 45%.

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PA 6:  Our most likely pickup.  Still a tossup though.

Agreed and agreed. I say Schwartz vs. Rutter, Fitz vs. Murphy and Gerlach vs. Murphy would all be very interesting races. 2006 would be even more fun.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 05:45:10 PM
I knew this was gonna start up again!  Now regarding an all NE district, your ONLY chance is John Taylor.  IHMO, it would probably got to Borski again, Mike McGeehan, or Alan Butkovitz.  I could also see John Perzel for you guys, but why would he give up that seat?  I would go Alan Butkovitz vs. John Taylor for the ultimate matchup in this case.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 05:50:09 PM
I knew this was gonna start up again!  Now regarding an all NE district, your ONLY chance is John Taylor.  IHMO, it would probably got to Borski again, Mike McGeehan, or Alan Butkovitz.  I could also see John Perzel for you guys, but why would he give up that seat?  I would go Alan Butkovitz vs. John Taylor for the ultimate matchup in this case.

Denny O'Brien and Taylor would be the most likely to win. I don't see McGeehan having much appeal outside of Mayfair and Butkovitz couldn't do it either. Sure he'd do very well in the Jewish areas but he wouldn't have much on the other side of the Boulevard.

Perzel would never give up his position as Speaker and O'Brien would probably be reluctant to give up Judiciary Chair for a shot at the seat but he'd be more likely to run than Perzel. In fact, O'Brien was actually seriously considering a challenge in 2004.

The ultimate matchup - Taylor or O'Brien vs. Saidel


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
I knew this was gonna start up again!  Now regarding an all NE district, your ONLY chance is John Taylor.  IHMO, it would probably got to Borski again, Mike McGeehan, or Alan Butkovitz.  I could also see John Perzel for you guys, but why would he give up that seat?  I would go Alan Butkovitz vs. John Taylor for the ultimate matchup in this case.

Denny O'Brien and Taylor would be the most likely to win. I don't see McGeehan having much appeal outside of Mayfair and Butkovitz couldn't do it either. Sure he'd do very well in the Jewish areas but he wouldn't have much on the other side of the Boulevard.

Perzel would never give up his position as Speaker and O'Brien would probably be reluctant to give up Judiciary Chair for a shot at the seat but he'd be more likely to run than Perzel. In fact, O'Brien was actually seriously considering a challenge in 2004.

The ultimate matchup - Taylor or O'Brien vs. Saidel

If Saidel were pro-choice, I'd be VERY excited about that run.  After him I'd go with Butkovitz.  Reason being the Dems in Mayfair-Tacony are union Dems who would vote Butkovitz anyway and you would excite the liberal pro-choice Jewish base.  McGeehan would turn off that base, but would do well in Mayfair, Holmesburg, adn Tacony. 

The problem with Taylor and O'Brien is this:  They are little known outside their respective districts which good chunks (40-50%) other districts with Taylor's having large portions in PA 1 and O'Brien having large portions in PA 8.  taylor would have a slight advantage ove O'Brien for reasons I don't want to get into at this point.  Another possibility would be State Sen. Tina Tartaglione, who by the way is VERY popular in Northwood/Oxford Circle (St. Martin of Tours) area.  And yes, I have met her and would strongly support her.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on May 08, 2005, 06:24:53 PM
The 2 days without the PA 13 thread were great. ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 06:26:28 PM
I knew this was gonna start up again!  Now regarding an all NE district, your ONLY chance is John Taylor.  IHMO, it would probably got to Borski again, Mike McGeehan, or Alan Butkovitz.  I could also see John Perzel for you guys, but why would he give up that seat?  I would go Alan Butkovitz vs. John Taylor for the ultimate matchup in this case.

Denny O'Brien and Taylor would be the most likely to win. I don't see McGeehan having much appeal outside of Mayfair and Butkovitz couldn't do it either. Sure he'd do very well in the Jewish areas but he wouldn't have much on the other side of the Boulevard.

Perzel would never give up his position as Speaker and O'Brien would probably be reluctant to give up Judiciary Chair for a shot at the seat but he'd be more likely to run than Perzel. In fact, O'Brien was actually seriously considering a challenge in 2004.

The ultimate matchup - Taylor or O'Brien vs. Saidel

If Saidel were pro-choice, I'd be VERY excited about that run.  After him I'd go with Butkovitz.  Reason being the Dems in Mayfair-Tacony are union Dems who would vote Butkovitz anyway and you would excite the liberal pro-choice Jewish base.  McGeehan would turn off that base, but would do well in Mayfair, Holmesburg, adn Tacony. 

The problem with Taylor and O'Brien is this:  They are little known outside their respective districts which good chunks (40-50%) other districts with Taylor's having large portions in PA 1 and O'Brien having large portions in PA 8.  taylor would have a slight advantage ove O'Brien for reasons I don't want to get into at this point.  Another possibility would be State Sen. Tina Tartaglione, who by the way is VERY popular in Northwood/Oxford Circle (St. Martin of Tours) area.  And yes, I have met her and would strongly support her.   

Butkovitz would have the union advantage but the social liberalism wouldn't work well especially in a Taylor-Butkovitz matchup (since Taylor is tolerated by the unions and union voters).

O'Brien wouldn't have any large portions in PA 8 anymore. Remember, this is an all NE Philly CD scenario. O'Brien has great appeal with Democrats, too.

Tartaglione's family has some power but I really don't see her running for the seat.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 06:35:18 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 06:36:38 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   

I'm not doubting that Tartaglione would do well. I just don't think she'd want it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 06:40:14 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   

I'm not doubting that Tartaglione would do well. I just don't think she'd want it.

In the current PA 13 scencario- NO.  If this were the case, I think she would go for it.  A moderately pro-choice Italian Catholic woman would appeal to both Tacony and Bustleton.  She would be our best case in this scenario.  Anyway, she BARELY lives outside PA 13.  We're talking less than a block.  I'm also not sure where Taylor lives, but I know he lives in Northwood. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 06:44:24 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   

I'm not doubting that Tartaglione would do well. I just don't think she'd want it.

In the current PA 13 scencario- NO.  If this were the case, I think she would go for it.  A moderately pro-choice Italian Catholic woman would appeal to both Tacony and Bustleton.  She would be our best case in this scenario.  Anyway, she BARELY lives outside PA 13.  We're talking less than a block.  I'm also not sure where Taylor lives, but I know he lives in Northwood. 

You don't think Taylor or O'Brien or whoever the GOP candidate would use the abortion issue against her? We don't have Montco in the district anymore in this case. Yeah, I know, it would help in the Jewish areas but it would hurt more than it would help.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 07:01:13 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   

I'm not doubting that Tartaglione would do well. I just don't think she'd want it.

In the current PA 13 scencario- NO.  If this were the case, I think she would go for it.  A moderately pro-choice Italian Catholic woman would appeal to both Tacony and Bustleton.  She would be our best case in this scenario.  Anyway, she BARELY lives outside PA 13.  We're talking less than a block.  I'm also not sure where Taylor lives, but I know he lives in Northwood. 

You don't think Taylor or O'Brien or whoever the GOP candidate would use the abortion issue against her? We don't have Montco in the district anymore in this case. Yeah, I know, it would help in the Jewish areas but it would hurt more than it would help.

I know Taylor or O'Brien will use it against her.  And yes, I've always known Taylor was union tolerated.  Thing is NE Philly Catholics are not that overwhelmingly anti-choice, if anything barely.  Non-Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly pro-choice and make up a large portion of the population west of Roosevelt Blvd.  A GOPer would be wise to use choice against Tartaglione to excite the anti-choice crowd, but they have to be careful.  If the GOP gets too cozy with the Catholic church and too forceful, the consequences could be devastating for both parties.  One thing you will never admit is NE Philly is inching pro-choice by the minute.  Mass attendance is outright abysmal and a fair number I know are getting sick of the Church telling people how to think. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 07:06:50 PM
I don't know I think Tartaglione would be a threat to Taylor or O'Brien and receive NARAL $$$.  I revise my ultimate matchup: State Sen. Tina Tartaglione (D-2) vs. State Rep. John Talyor (R-177).  Funny they both live with blocks of each other and yes, my old neighborhood.   

I'm not doubting that Tartaglione would do well. I just don't think she'd want it.

In the current PA 13 scencario- NO.  If this were the case, I think she would go for it.  A moderately pro-choice Italian Catholic woman would appeal to both Tacony and Bustleton.  She would be our best case in this scenario.  Anyway, she BARELY lives outside PA 13.  We're talking less than a block.  I'm also not sure where Taylor lives, but I know he lives in Northwood. 

You don't think Taylor or O'Brien or whoever the GOP candidate would use the abortion issue against her? We don't have Montco in the district anymore in this case. Yeah, I know, it would help in the Jewish areas but it would hurt more than it would help.

I know Taylor or O'Brien will use it against her.  And yes, I've always known Taylor was union tolerated.  Thing is NE Philly Catholics are not that overwhelmingly anti-choice, if anything barely.  Non-Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly pro-choice and make up a large portion of the population west of Roosevelt Blvd.  A GOPer would be wise to use choice against Tartaglione to excite the anti-choice crowd, but they have to be careful.  If the GOP gets too cozy with the Catholic church and too forceful, the consequences could be devastating for both parties.  One thing you will never admit is NE Philly is inching pro-choice by the minute.  Mass attendance is outright abysmal and a fair number I know are getting sick of the Church telling people how to think. 

You don't have numbers of mass attendance. I know you throw around this 15% figure but you have no proof of it. This is a Pro Life area. That's why you see so many Pro Life Democrats running. They know that it's an important issue here. You want to say it's a bad issue to bring up because you have all these conspiracies about the Church and Pro Lifers. But, to the contrary, most hold the Catholic Church in very high regard in this area.

Bottom line here: If abortion is going to be the defining issue in a NE Philly campaign, it's going to break towards the Pro Lifer most of the time.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 07:23:50 PM
If I personally were a candidate, I know not to make it one.  Even pro-choicers don't want to make it a defining issue here. 

I also know the Mass attendance figure is far less than 50%.  I'm pretty sure most parishes are under 30%.  I know not all non-Mass attendees are pro-choice and interestingly there are pro-choice Mass goers.  The issue is FAR from defining here, though I think anti-choicers are more fanatical so it's best for a pro-choice candidate to play keep away from that issue as much as possible.  The brothers Boyle would deny this, but I think Brendan may have actually BENEFITED from being pro-choice considering the area he would have run in.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 07:26:08 PM

I also know the Mass attendance figure is far less than 50%.  I'm pretty sure most parishes are under 30%.  I know not all non-Mass attendees are pro-choice and interestingly there are pro-choice Mass goers.  The issue is FAR from defining here, though I think anti-choicers are more fanatical so it's best for a pro-choice candidate to play keep away from that issue as much as possible.  The brothers Boyle would deny this, but I think Brendan may have actually BENEFITED from being pro-choice considering the area he would have run in.

These are all guesses about church attendance. As for making it an issue in a campaign, the reason why Pro Choice candidates don't bring it up is because they know it will hurt them.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on May 08, 2005, 07:37:36 PM
BOYLE FOR STATE REP!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 07:40:48 PM

I also know the Mass attendance figure is far less than 50%.  I'm pretty sure most parishes are under 30%.  I know not all non-Mass attendees are pro-choice and interestingly there are pro-choice Mass goers.  The issue is FAR from defining here, though I think anti-choicers are more fanatical so it's best for a pro-choice candidate to play keep away from that issue as much as possible.  The brothers Boyle would deny this, but I think Brendan may have actually BENEFITED from being pro-choice considering the area he would have run in.

These are all guesses about church attendance. As for making it an issue in a campaign, the reason why Pro Choice candidates don't bring it up is because they know it will hurt them.

Pro-choicers are scared to death of some of these so-called "pro-life" zealots outside of abortion clinics.  I don't know how to define this, but intimidation has helped you guys out tremendously.  Potential pro-choice candidates would rather sit at home than deal with the overzealous church and their slanted "voter guides."  Believe me, I know I'm going to deal with a lot of sh**t if I were to ever run for office, but hopefully I'll be prepared for it by then.  I think the Catholic church has significant influence here, but not defining.  What I'm saying is pro-choicers exist in large numbers here, but pro-choice candidates have to deal with hell and back.  It's more bark than bite.  


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 07:43:15 PM

I am supporting him in 2006 as well, but have made it known to him and his brother I am pro-choice.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 07:44:47 PM

I also know the Mass attendance figure is far less than 50%.  I'm pretty sure most parishes are under 30%.  I know not all non-Mass attendees are pro-choice and interestingly there are pro-choice Mass goers.  The issue is FAR from defining here, though I think anti-choicers are more fanatical so it's best for a pro-choice candidate to play keep away from that issue as much as possible.  The brothers Boyle would deny this, but I think Brendan may have actually BENEFITED from being pro-choice considering the area he would have run in.

These are all guesses about church attendance. As for making it an issue in a campaign, the reason why Pro Choice candidates don't bring it up is because they know it will hurt them.

Pro-choicers are scared to death of some of these so-called "pro-life" zealots outside of abortion clinics.  I don't know how to define this, but intimidation has helped you guys out tremendously.  Potential pro-choice candidates would rather sit at home than deal with the overzealous church and their slanted "voter guides."  Believe me, I know I'm going to deal with a lot of sh**t if I were to ever run for office, but hopefully I'll be prepared for it by then.  I think the Catholic church has significant influence here, but not defining.  What I'm saying is pro-choicers exist in large numbers here, but pro-choice candidates have to deal with hell and back.  It's more bark than bite.  

They are just afraid of Pro Life people praying outside of an abortion clinic and not voters voting against them? Give me a break. Make abortion a big issue and your candidates would lose a good amount of the time. That's why people like McGeehan are Pro Life. In an all NE Philly CD, it would be a big thing. Your party would be looking for a Pro Life nominee before anything else.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 07:47:42 PM
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Potential pro-choice candidates would rather sit at home than deal with the overzealous church and their slanted "voter guides."  

That's another problem you have. The Church has fundamental beliefs. We happen to share the beliefs of the Republican party on a number of serious issues. Can you get over this "slanted" idea? If they were so slanted, the Church would endorse candidates, kind of like how some Protestant clergy groups do. Amazing how I don't hear you going crazy about that. Oh wait...it's because it helps your candidate most of the time.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 07:50:35 PM
It's more than just praying.  I drove by the clinic near the Blvd. and Comly and they were annoying the living hell out of me and I didn't even drop a girl off.  They also hang outside of Planned Parenthood and harass people as well.  I swear if i had a good F-150 with a snowplow I'd use it!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 07:58:44 PM
It's more than just praying.  I drove by the clinic near the Blvd. and Comly and they were annoying the living hell out of me and I didn't even drop a girl off.  They also hang outside of Planned Parenthood and harass people as well.  I swear if i had a good F-150 with a snowplow I'd use it!

I prayed outside of that abortion clinic. As we drove up, we were told that our tires would be slashed if we parked in their parking lot. All we did was asked if we could park in a certain area. We were then laughed at and mocked as we stood there by two old women who worked for the clinic. The only part that bothered you was that they were there. No one says anything to people driving by, atleast not when I went or have driven by.

There's no shouting (by the Pro Lifers). There's no intimidation (by the Pro Lifers). We were very peaceful and I believe three women decided not to get an abortion that day while we were there.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 08, 2005, 08:08:55 PM
It's more than just praying.  I drove by the clinic near the Blvd. and Comly and they were annoying the living hell out of me and I didn't even drop a girl off.  They also hang outside of Planned Parenthood and harass people as well.  I swear if i had a good F-150 with a snowplow I'd use it!

I prayed outside of that abortion clinic. As we drove up, we were told that our tires would be slashed if we parked in their parking lot. All we did was asked if we could park in a certain area. We were then laughed at and mocked as we stood there by two old women who worked for the clinic. The only part that bothered you was that they were there. No one says anything to people driving by, atleast not when I went or have driven by.

There's no shouting (by the Pro Lifers). There's no intimidation (by the Pro Lifers). We were very peaceful and I believe three women decided not to get an abortion that day while we were there.

Every time I heard something happen there was massive harassment.  I'm glad at least you were peaceful.  I think the 3 women not getting one was due to biased conseling, not as a result of your efforts.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2005, 08:11:33 PM
It's more than just praying.  I drove by the clinic near the Blvd. and Comly and they were annoying the living hell out of me and I didn't even drop a girl off.  They also hang outside of Planned Parenthood and harass people as well.  I swear if i had a good F-150 with a snowplow I'd use it!

I prayed outside of that abortion clinic. As we drove up, we were told that our tires would be slashed if we parked in their parking lot. All we did was asked if we could park in a certain area. We were then laughed at and mocked as we stood there by two old women who worked for the clinic. The only part that bothered you was that they were there. No one says anything to people driving by, atleast not when I went or have driven by.

There's no shouting (by the Pro Lifers). There's no intimidation (by the Pro Lifers). We were very peaceful and I believe three women decided not to get an abortion that day while we were there.

Every time I heard something happen there was massive harassment.  I'm glad at least you were peaceful.  I think the 3 women not getting one was due to biased conseling, not as a result of your efforts.

They pulled in, spoke with some people outside and decided against it. Yes, we have helped people turn away from abortion, Flyers. Get over it.

As for this "massive harrassment" I highly doubt that claim. The group that's usually out there on Saturday mornings are always peaceful. Our school's Pro Life group went on a Saturday. We didn't say a word to people operating the clinic except the parking question, in which we were pretty much threatened. Amazing how you tolerate that though even though we are peaceful.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2005, 09:16:03 PM
Want to hear alittle of what PA 13 is about?

http://www.whyy.org/news/election2004_reports.html

Scroll down until you see the pics of Schwartz and Brown, click listen and you'll hear a debate between the two. Enjoy!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Alcon on May 15, 2005, 09:31:44 PM
Want to hear alittle of what PA 13 is about?

Are you sure you want that answered? ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2005, 09:34:18 PM
Want to hear alittle of what PA 13 is about?

Are you sure you want that answered? ;)

Just have a listen. You'll might be able to understand a bit about what we've been discussing for almost a year now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Defarge on May 15, 2005, 09:35:49 PM
WILL IT NEVER END?!?!?!?

If they redistrict PA and you two end up in different districts, will one of you move into the other's just to piss the other one off?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2005, 09:41:23 PM
WILL IT NEVER END?!?!?!?

If they redistrict PA and you two end up in different districts, will one of you move into the other's just to piss the other one off?

No and I don't understand why you guys have to come in here and comment if you don't like it.

If they redistrict, I hope I'm in a different district (because I want a member of Congress more in line with my neighborhood's views) but I will always enjoy debating this district. We enjoy it. We understand politics around here. Our Congressional races are more interesting than some others so just because you or anyone doesn't have an interesting race to follow, don't get bitter and hate the fact that we can discuss this.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 15, 2005, 09:54:35 PM
Just heard a lot of the health care debates.  Amazingly it's just like us talking... large lawsuits vs. insurance companies.  There is also a clip about the district further up if anyone wants to listen to that piece. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 15, 2005, 09:59:45 PM
WILL IT NEVER END?!?!?!?

If they redistrict PA and you two end up in different districts, will one of you move into the other's just to piss the other one off?

No and I don't understand why you guys have to come in here and comment if you don't like it.

If they redistrict, I hope I'm in a different district (because I want a member of Congress more in line with my neighborhood's views) but I will always enjoy debating this district. We enjoy it. We understand politics around here. Our Congressional races are more interesting than some others so just because you or anyone doesn't have an interesting race to follow, don't get bitter and hate the fact that we can discuss this.

Defarge, even if we were in different districts, this will never end.  Sure, I have my disagreements with Allyson Schwartz and Keystone Phil did with Melissa Brown, but at the end of the day were are more aligned on our respective sides of the fence.  Even if Allyson Schwartz and Melissa Brown weren't the candidates, there will be plenty more online scuffles about other races.  Already were discussing Santorum v. Casey and Rendell v. Piccola, Swann, Scranton, or Castor.  Who knows I could move to PA 8 and Phil could still be living in PA 13 or vice versa.  The debate will continue. 

My next topic....  Thoughts about 2010 redistricting.  May create a whole other thread on that one. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MHS2002 on May 15, 2005, 10:03:39 PM
So I listened to the seven minute clip that was an overview of the PA13 race. I have a couple of questions:

1. Was there ever a point where it looked like Brown would win?
2. How did PA13 vote in the Presidential election?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 15, 2005, 10:09:38 PM
So I listened to the seven minute clip that was an overview of the PA13 race. I have a couple of questions:

1. Was there ever a point where it looked like Brown would win?
2. How did PA13 vote in the Presidential election?

1.  Even as a Dem, the simple answer is yes.  Some rowhome, Catholic parts of the district showed strong enthusiasm for Melissa Brown as evidenced in lawn or even front porch signs.  This had me worried.  The Section 8 issue will never die and I thought Brown had it on that issue.  National issues were the talk of the town- Schwartz won!

2.  Kerry by about 58-60%.  My guess is it was closer to 60% and there was some Kerry-Brown splitting.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2005, 10:46:48 PM

1. Was there ever a point where it looked like Brown would win?
2. How did PA13 vote in the Presidential election?

1) Yes. Most of May and June, I saw it as a definite occurance. My thinking that Brown was going to win just wasn't some hope that I had. This was one of the top races in the country (something many don't realize because the result was so lopsided).

2) We don't know the exact numbers but I'd say Kerry 56% Bush 44% (Montco was actually that extact result). Look at those numbers. Almost identical to the PA 13 race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on May 16, 2005, 10:22:36 PM
*bump*


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: A18 on May 16, 2005, 10:23:41 PM
Whatever happened to TeenGOP?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 16, 2005, 10:29:56 PM

He's a friend of mine who couldn't keep an interest in the forum. If you thought I was a big PA 13 buff and Brown fan, you have to meet this kid. Or maybe you would like to avoid that...  :P

I will ask that this thread not be bumped when we have nothing to discuss. It will pick up towards the end of the year.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 17, 2005, 01:15:16 AM

He's a friend of mine who couldn't keep an interest in the forum. If you thought I was a big PA 13 buff and Brown fan, you have to meet this kid. Or maybe you would like to avoid that...  :P

I will ask that this thread not be bumped when we have nothing to discuss. It will pick up towards the end of the year.

And I have personally met him and Keystone as well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 26, 2005, 02:52:04 AM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Democratic Hawk on May 26, 2005, 09:14:11 AM
What's all the interest with PA 13?

Dave


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on May 26, 2005, 10:01:28 AM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?

I guess so.

If he runs:
Schwartz 63
Taubenberger 37


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on May 26, 2005, 11:30:50 AM
What's all the interest with PA 13?

Dave

It's a gerrymandered congressional district in Pennsylvania taking in a largely white ethnic and mostly working class part of Philly along with an affluent white suburban area from neighbouring Montgomery county. That's only a rough summary o/c.
It was an open seat last election and initial seemed to be extremely competative; in the end the Democratic candidate won fairly easily.
It's also where a lot (including the two most partisan and abrasive) of the forums many PA posters live.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 26, 2005, 01:41:56 PM
What's all the interest with PA 13?

Dave

It's a gerrymandered congressional district in Pennsylvania taking in a largely white ethnic and mostly working class part of Philly along with an affluent white suburban area from neighbouring Montgomery county. That's only a rough summary o/c.
It was an open seat last election and initial seemed to be extremely competative; in the end the Democratic candidate won fairly easily.
It's also where a lot (including the two most partisan and abrasive) of the forums many PA posters live.

Aww, you're too kind Al!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on May 26, 2005, 03:15:18 PM
And I have personally met him and Keystone as well.

Tell us about it. I didn't know you to had met each other.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 26, 2005, 04:19:56 PM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?

Not if Scott Rutter gets in.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 27, 2005, 01:31:27 AM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?

Not if Scott Rutter gets in.

War was not popular here.  It will make little difference, if any with regards to Schwartz's numbers.  Patrick Murphy on the other hand could make a dent in lower Bucks with the populist Dems that went for Fitz.  Not sure of Rutter's stances or resume, but Patrick Murphy's is quite stellar for being so young.  I am aware that he is a Fox News analyst, but that may work against him and if he were to run, I'd make sure it does!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 27, 2005, 03:12:20 AM
And I have personally met him and Keystone as well.

Tell us about it. I didn't know you to had met each other.

It was actually for a Teen Democrats versus Teen Republicans debate at his high school.  I'm friendly with the Chair of the Teen Dems being part of the Young Dems myself so I went there to cheer him on and give him a few pointers. ;)  Phil is a member of the Teen Republicans so I actually got a chance to meet him last September.  Interestingly, both chairs debated and have spent brief periods of time on this Forum, but have since left.  They are Demoteen05 and TeenGOP.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 27, 2005, 12:50:10 PM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?

Not if Scott Rutter gets in.

War was not popular here.  It will make little difference, if any with regards to Schwartz's numbers.  Patrick Murphy on the other hand could make a dent in lower Bucks with the populist Dems that went for Fitz.  Not sure of Rutter's stances or resume, but Patrick Murphy's is quite stellar for being so young.  I am aware that he is a Fox News analyst, but that may work against him and if he were to run, I'd make sure it does!

War was not popular here so military people are shunned? Wrong! NE Philly shows some of the greatest respect towards military figures and being a military analyst for a major news channel would help here with most voters. I know your Montco liberals wouldn't be happy and you wouldn't either but you wouldn't go far in an argument if all you want to say is "Well he was a military analyst for Fox News! Be afraid!"


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 27, 2005, 12:51:39 PM
And I have personally met him and Keystone as well.

Tell us about it. I didn't know you to had met each other.

It was actually for a Teen Democrats versus Teen Republicans debate at his high school.  I'm friendly with the Chair of the Teen Dems being part of the Young Dems myself so I went there to cheer him on and give him a few pointers. ;)  Phil is a member of the Teen Republicans so I actually got a chance to meet him last September.  Interestingly, both chairs debated and have spent brief periods of time on this Forum, but have since left.  They are Demoteen05 and TeenGOP.

And since I'm not chairman of the SEPTARS, I'll be the one debating the Teenage Dem chair next year. I invite everyone who can make the trip to come and watch. It'll be interesting. We might even do a special Keystone Phil vs. Flyers segment!  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on May 27, 2005, 01:09:40 PM
And I have personally met him and Keystone as well.

Tell us about it. I didn't know you to had met each other.

It was actually for a Teen Democrats versus Teen Republicans debate at his high school.  I'm friendly with the Chair of the Teen Dems being part of the Young Dems myself so I went there to cheer him on and give him a few pointers. ;)  Phil is a member of the Teen Republicans so I actually got a chance to meet him last September.  Interestingly, both chairs debated and have spent brief periods of time on this Forum, but have since left.  They are Demoteen05 and TeenGOP.

And since I'm not chairman of the SEPTARS, I'll be the one debating the Teenage Dem chair next year. I invite everyone who can make the trip to come and watch. It'll be interesting. We might even do a special Keystone Phil vs. Flyers segment!  :)

I'll come and watch if I'm up here when you do it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 27, 2005, 01:42:09 PM
With PA 6 and PA 8 now heating up, I haven't heard anything about PA 13 anywhere.  So we looking at Taubenberger to get his face beaten in?

Not if Scott Rutter gets in.

War was not popular here.  It will make little difference, if any with regards to Schwartz's numbers.  Patrick Murphy on the other hand could make a dent in lower Bucks with the populist Dems that went for Fitz.  Not sure of Rutter's stances or resume, but Patrick Murphy's is quite stellar for being so young.  I am aware that he is a Fox News analyst, but that may work against him and if he were to run, I'd make sure it does!

War was not popular here so military people are shunned? Wrong! NE Philly shows some of the greatest respect towards military figures and being a military analyst for a major news channel would help here with most voters. I know your Montco liberals wouldn't be happy and you wouldn't either but you wouldn't go far in an argument if all you want to say is "Well he was a military analyst for Fox News! Be afraid!"

I first have to get a better idea of his stances.  If he is a John Taylor-Dennis O'Brien type, then I'll admit, we have some work to keep PA 13 Dem.  Being a military guy doesn't automatically going to mean he's cutting Schwartz's margin significantly.  Schwartz will have a bankroll to keep this district Dem and a volunteer army (MD+Unions) if need be.  And besides, how do you know he's running?  I'm thinking the GOP will put up Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 27, 2005, 04:16:57 PM

 And besides, how do you know he's running?  I'm thinking the GOP will put up Taubenberger.

I don't know he's running but I do have a strong feeling that he will consider it. He ran in 2004 but dropped out. I think he'll probably see this as his chance. Plus, look at what you just said. The Dems think and want Taubenberger to run. The GOP realizes that and would like to keep this as close as possible. Rutter can do that.

One big advantage Rutter would have is his appearance on national TV. That can bring in some big time cash.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 27, 2005, 11:55:52 PM

 And besides, how do you know he's running?  I'm thinking the GOP will put up Taubenberger.

I don't know he's running but I do have a strong feeling that he will consider it. He ran in 2004 but dropped out. I think he'll probably see this as his chance. Plus, look at what you just said. The Dems think and want Taubenberger to run. The GOP realizes that and would like to keep this as close as possible. Rutter can do that.

One big advantage Rutter would have is his appearance on national TV. That can bring in some big time cash.

Prediction:

Schwartz- 59
Rutter- 41

NE Philly:

Schwartz- 58
Rutter- 42
Margin: Schwartz +16 (+23 in 2004.  Abortion+NE native closes gap.  Unions will keep Schwartz afloat here.)

Montgomery County:

Schwartz- 60
Rutter - 40
Margin: Schwartz +20 (+8 in 2004, war less popular here and IIRC Rutter is anti-choice)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 30, 2005, 02:22:40 AM
Oh and I'm gonna post his odds of running.  10-1 says he doesn't!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 30, 2005, 07:35:57 PM

 And besides, how do you know he's running?  I'm thinking the GOP will put up Taubenberger.

I don't know he's running but I do have a strong feeling that he will consider it. He ran in 2004 but dropped out. I think he'll probably see this as his chance. Plus, look at what you just said. The Dems think and want Taubenberger to run. The GOP realizes that and would like to keep this as close as possible. Rutter can do that.

One big advantage Rutter would have is his appearance on national TV. That can bring in some big time cash.

Prediction:

Schwartz- 59
Rutter- 41

NE Philly:

Schwartz- 58
Rutter- 42
Margin: Schwartz +16 (+23 in 2004.  Abortion+NE native closes gap.  Unions will keep Schwartz afloat here.)

Montgomery County:

Schwartz- 60
Rutter - 40
Margin: Schwartz +20 (+8 in 2004, war less popular here and IIRC Rutter is anti-choice)

I don't know. These predictions might be the biggest jokes I've ever seen.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 30, 2005, 08:39:30 PM
The fact you think this guy will A.) Run and B.) Win are two jokes unto themselves.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 30, 2005, 08:48:26 PM
The fact you think this guy will A.) Run and B.) Win are two jokes unto themselves.

1) Why is it a joke that he'd run? He ran in 2004 when he didn't have a chance. This is obviously his chance to win the nomination. You have no reason to say that he wouldn't run. If he was "crazy" enough to run in 2004, he could be just as "crazy" to run next year.

2) I never said he would win. Please keep what I say in order. Thanks.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Cashcow on May 30, 2005, 09:05:10 PM
I'm in the process of writing a book, Allyson Schwartz Saves the Union, in which California secedes and begins invading neighboring states of Oregon and Arizona in 2012. Fearing its own impending destruction, Nevada declares martial law and Las Vegas is burned to the ground. Schwartz ascends to the presidency that same year, after having lost a brutal, violent senate race to Patrick Francis Santorum in 2010. With her bravery and resolve, she forces the surrender at Sacramento after a bloody campaign through Nevada, which she led herself as a Four-Star General:

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...unfortunately, no. But someone should definitely write that book.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on June 01, 2005, 12:42:24 AM
Haha, that is one of the scarier pictures I've seen in awhile, especially considering while interning at Schwartz' office, Allyson (I think it's the same picture) was staring down the back of my neck for three weeks.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 01, 2005, 12:38:35 PM
Haha, that is one of the scarier pictures I've seen in awhile, especially considering while interning at Schwartz' office, Allyson (I think it's the same picture) was staring down the back of my neck for three weeks.

Really?  Has she ever read anything either me or Phil has said?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on June 02, 2005, 11:18:35 AM
Haha, that is one of the scarier pictures I've seen in awhile, especially considering while interning at Schwartz' office, Allyson (I think it's the same picture) was staring down the back of my neck for three weeks.

Really?  Has she ever read anything either me or Phil has said?

Haha, well I was on the site a lot of the time I was at her office, so maybe


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No more McShame on June 02, 2005, 06:17:19 PM
She probably would have had a good laugh if she saw this thread :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 04, 2005, 02:12:05 AM
She probably would have had a good laugh if she saw this thread :)

Sure she would.  Melissa Brown would pay John Perzel to come find where I live and kill me.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 04, 2005, 08:56:23 AM
She probably would have had a good laugh if she saw this thread :)

Sure she would.  Melissa Brown would pay John Perzel to come find where I live and kill me.

This is when this thread loses respect. There was no need for that comment and I can easily follow it up with, "And Allyson Schwartz would pay her union stooges who didn't graduate high school and spend most of their time awake drinking beer to come and kill me."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 10, 2005, 10:11:33 PM
Will Dennis O'Brien run?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 10, 2005, 10:13:55 PM

I guess you think I have some info, huh?  ;)

To be honest, I'm not sure. Probably not. But if he did, he would get above 45%. Lower turnout + better numbers in NE Philly + possibility of Castor running for Gov. helps some Republicans = better chances for O'Brien.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 10, 2005, 10:17:29 PM
I haven't seen any names discussed yet on DC Political Report or Politics1.  EMILY's List's site says "Republicans are sharpening their knives".."and the think the district is rightfully theirs" yet they don't produce any names, unlike Melissa Bean in IL 8.  Do you think PA 13 (wishful thinking aside) will be written off for other defenses/pick-ups? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 10, 2005, 10:20:49 PM
I haven't seen any names discussed yet on DC Political Report or Politics1.  EMILY's List's site says "Republicans are sharpening their knives".."and the think the district is rightfully theirs" yet they don't produce any names, unlike Melissa Bean in IL 8.  Do you think PA 13 (wishful thinking aside) will be written off for other defenses/pick-ups? 

I have to say that compared to PA 6, the GOP will not care about PA 13. Then again, maybe the leadership and EMILY's List knows something we don't. I know that they'd probably get worried with O'Brien seeing that he's a popular Pro Life State Rep.

Maybe they do know something...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 10, 2005, 10:28:12 PM
I haven't seen any names discussed yet on DC Political Report or Politics1.  EMILY's List's site says "Republicans are sharpening their knives".."and the think the district is rightfully theirs" yet they don't produce any names, unlike Melissa Bean in IL 8.  Do you think PA 13 (wishful thinking aside) will be written off for other defenses/pick-ups? 

I have to say that compared to PA 6, the GOP will not care about PA 13. Then again, maybe the leadership and EMILY's List knows something we don't. I know that they'd probably get worried with O'Brien seeing that he's a popular Pro Life State Rep.

Maybe they do know something...

At least you'll admit PA 6 is more of a worry for the GOP.  When I seen that, I was worried.  I was always thinking the GOP will front Taubenberger or McColgan in 2006- game over!  Dennis O'Brien or John Taylor would worry me though not too much.  I have seen Denny and Taylor's AFL-CIO record and surprisingly Denny is the most pro-labor GOPer in NE Philly and one of the more labor friendly Republican legislators in the state.  If this means the unions will stay home, there may be trouble brewing for us.  John Taylor on the other hand, while a moderate, is surprisingly to the right of the NE delegation on economic issues.  You would think with the area he represents he would have a more AFL-CIO friendly record.  The unions would have ammo against Taylor.       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 10, 2005, 10:31:37 PM
At least you'll admit PA 6 is more of a worry for the GOP.  When I seen that, I was worried.  I was always thinking the GOP will front Taubenberger or McColgan in 2006- game over!  Dennis O'Brien or John Taylor would worry me though not too much.  I have seen Denny and Taylor's AFL-CIO record and surprisingly Denny is the most pro-labor GOPer in NE Philly and one of the more labor friendly Republican legislators in the state.  If this means the unions will stay home, there may be trouble brewing for us.  John Taylor on the other hand, while a moderate, is surprisingly to the right of the NE delegation on economic issues.  You would think with the area he represents he would have a more AFL-CIO friendly record.  The unions would have ammo against Taylor.       

They only care more about PA 6 because it's a seat to lose. You have to play defense.

With O'Brien or Taylor, the unions wouldn't care all that much. They'll be working for Casey more than anything.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 10, 2005, 10:34:56 PM
I think Denny might get a union or two added from Schwartz's column and yes that may tilt the election.  Now here's another thing we haven't discussed.  Besides Castor, which Montco GOPer could eb thrown in there as wel?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 10, 2005, 10:35:51 PM
Besides Castor, which Montco GOPer could eb thrown in there as wel?

Bard might run again.  ::)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 10, 2005, 10:42:19 PM
Besides Castor, which Montco GOPer could eb thrown in there as wel?

Bard might run again.  ::)

Surely, you'd love that, but I think she may very well be your guys best chance.  If she switched to a Democrat once she got in there, I really wouldn't care all that much.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 10, 2005, 10:43:44 PM
Besides Castor, which Montco GOPer could eb thrown in there as wel?

Bard might run again.  ::)

Surely, you'd love that, but I think she may very well be your guys best chance.  If she switched to a Democrat once she got in there, I really wouldn't care all that much.

She'd wouldn't become a Dem. and she wouldn't be all that great for us. Yes, she'd do some good for us in Montco but she'd be crushed in the NE.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 17, 2005, 05:39:47 PM
I know it's a day later but Happy Anniversary to the PA 13 thread. Time sure does fly by pretty fast.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 17, 2005, 05:47:08 PM
I know it's a day later but Happy Anniversary to the PA 13 thread. Time sure does fly by pretty fast.

I didn't even notice that!  May this thread last many more years to come (to the dismay of other Forumites).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 20, 2005, 08:20:17 PM
Some "insider" info update:

Ellen Bard is done. No run in 2006.

Scott Rutter isn't running either (or is just very unlikely). He's still over in Iraq for FOX NEWS.

Jim Matthews is looking at running but is considered unlikely to run.

Taubenberger is (as we know) a go for another run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 21, 2005, 02:56:57 AM
Some "insider" info update:

Ellen Bard is done. No run in 2006.

Scott Rutter isn't running either (or is just very unlikely). He's still over in Iraq for FOX NEWS.

Jim Matthews is looking at running but is considered unlikely to run.

Taubenberger is (as we know) a go for another run.

Tauben
  berger!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 21, 2005, 03:51:53 PM
Some "insider" info update:

Ellen Bard is done. No run in 2006.

Scott Rutter isn't running either (or is just very unlikely). He's still over in Iraq for FOX NEWS.

Jim Matthews is looking at running but is considered unlikely to run.

Taubenberger is (as we know) a go for another run.

Tauben
  berger!

Haha! If there is one thing (and it wouldn't be surprising if it's one thing either) that I'd do for that campaign, it would be to suggest that that sign is never used again.

I think he'll be challenged in the Primary though and it will continue to frustrate him. If he doesn't get the nomination in 2006, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Bono on June 21, 2005, 04:13:26 PM
The return of the 1000 posts monster.
Soon on a theater near you.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: PBrunsel on June 23, 2005, 09:57:15 PM
The return of the 1000 posts monster.
Soon on a theater near you.

I wish I could have someone to discuss Iowan politics with, even it meant a 1,000 page thread on IA-4. :p

I enjoy this thread, because now I know a huge amount about obscure Pennsylvanian politicians, and now I will ahve to follow Schwartz's reelection campaign next year. :D


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 24, 2005, 12:57:13 AM
The return of the 1000 posts monster.
Soon on a theater near you.

I wish I could have someone to discuss Iowan politics with, even it meant a 1,000 page thread on IA-4. :p

I enjoy this thread, because now I know a huge amount about obscure Pennsylvanian politicians, and now I will ahve to follow Schwartz's reelection campaign next year. :D

Glad someone from out of state enjoys this.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Platypus on June 27, 2005, 09:37:20 AM
The return of the 1000 posts monster.
Soon on a theater near you.

I wish I could have someone to discuss Iowan politics with, even it meant a 1,000 page thread on IA-4. :p

I enjoy this thread, because now I know a huge amount about obscure Pennsylvanian politicians, and now I will ahve to follow Schwartz's reelection campaign next year. :D

Hey, I 'lived' n Davenport for a while ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 15, 2005, 05:55:56 PM
*bump*

And we STILL have no announced candidate for the GOP while PA 6 and PA 8 have quite a few entrants for the Dems.  Taking picks people.  Mine is Al Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Platypus on July 17, 2005, 07:56:49 AM
NOOOOOOOO!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 17, 2005, 06:52:14 PM
*bump*

And we STILL have no announced candidate for the GOP while PA 6 and PA 8 have quite a few entrants for the Dems.  Taking picks people.  Mine is Al Taubenberger.

Taubenberger is running but I think he might be shut out for the third time in a row if Jim Matthews runs. If Matthews doesn't run, it's very likely that we'll just have a McColgan vs. Taubenberger primary.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 17, 2005, 08:04:14 PM
Some "insider" info update:

Ellen Bard is done. No run in 2006.

Scott Rutter isn't running either (or is just very unlikely). He's still over in Iraq for FOX NEWS.

Jim Matthews is looking at running but is considered unlikely to run.

Taubenberger is (as we know) a go for another run.

Tauben
  berger!

Haha! If there is one thing (and it wouldn't be surprising if it's one thing either) that I'd do for that campaign, it would be to suggest that that sign is never used again.

I think he'll be challenged in the Primary though and it will continue to frustrate him. If he doesn't get the nomination in 2006, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near him.

Haha, I agree totally.  He should just change his name.  I wonder what the Rod Blagoyvich signs look like.  (BTW, I do have a Ross Schriftman sign-it just randomly appeared in my yard one day and they wrote ROSS in big letters)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 17, 2005, 08:08:23 PM

Haha, I agree totally.  He should just change his name.  I wonder what the Rod Blagoyvich signs look like.  (BTW, I do have a Ross Schriftman sign-it just randomly appeared in my yard one day and they wrote ROSS in big letters)

The fact that his name is long wasn't really the probably. It was just the way his campaign designed it.

Tauben
     berger


Nothing else. What a joke.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 21, 2005, 09:58:30 PM
Word is that there is now a big effort to draft Castor for Congress. Now that his chances at running for Governor seem to have gone down, maybe this could happen. Apparently, Castor was recently down in DC (possibly being asked to run by national leaders).

There is no doubt that a Castor candidacy in PA 13 would make it a hot race. I think it's unlikely to happen though. Castor stresses the problems it may cause concerning his family and the fact that he's not really a legislative guy. I think he actually turned down a run in PA 13 early but I guess anything could happen.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 22, 2005, 03:22:13 AM
Word is that there is now a big effort to draft Castor for Congress. Now that his chances at running for Governor seem to have gone down, maybe this could happen. Apparently, Castor was recently down in DC (possibly being asked to run by national leaders).

There is no doubt that a Castor candidacy in PA 13 would make it a hot race. I think it's unlikely to happen though. Castor stresses the problems it may cause concerning his family and the fact that he's not really a legislative guy. I think he actually turned down a run in PA 13 early but I guess anything could happen.

A Castor candidacy would make the race hotter, but I still think Schwartz will prevail.  Look to defend PA 6 and 8!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 22, 2005, 04:21:01 PM

If Castor was to run in PA 13, we wouldn't have to worry about them (not really worried anyway). A Castor candidacy would mean the Dems move their troops away from Lois Murphy and whoever is nominated in PA 8 to defend Schwartz. That might be the key motive in getting Castor to run.

We may disagree on the outcome but we can both agree that it would be very close. I know we said the same about PA 13 this time last year but a Castor vs. Schwartz matchup would be even bigger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 22, 2005, 11:19:12 PM

If Castor was to run in PA 13, we wouldn't have to worry about them (not really worried anyway). A Castor candidacy would mean the Dems move their troops away from Lois Murphy and whoever is nominated in PA 8 to defend Schwartz. That might be the key motive in getting Castor to run.

We may disagree on the outcome but we can both agree that it would be very close. I know we said the same about PA 13 this time last year but a Castor vs. Schwartz matchup would be even bigger.

I'm not so sure about it.  Castor would get crushed in NE Philly and still probably lose Montco by a couple points.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 07:46:17 PM
Castor wouldn't be crushed here and I don't see him losing Montco. He's much more popular there.

Anyway, I thought Castor for Congress seemed to good to be true? Looks like I was wrong.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12192453.htm

 He met with Speaker Hastert last week and admitted that he is looking into a run. He said he'll have to talk it over with the family and admitted that it would be tough to unseat Schwartz. No one is denying that it would be tough but he can do it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 24, 2005, 07:52:37 PM
Castor wouldn't be crushed here and I don't see him losing Montco. He's much more popular there.

Anyway, I thought Castor for Congress seemed to good to be true? Looks like I was wrong.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12192453.htm

 He met with Speaker Hastert last week and admitted that he is looking into a run. He said he'll have to talk it over with the family and admitted that it would be tough to unseat Schwartz. No one is denying that it would be tough but he can do it.

Keep on believing that.  You being able to oust Schwartz is like us being about to oust Dent.  Neither are going to happen, barring a miracle.  If the Republicans were smart, they'd spend their money protecting PA 6, 8 (to a lesser extent) and 18


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 07:58:29 PM
Castor wouldn't be crushed here and I don't see him losing Montco. He's much more popular there.

Anyway, I thought Castor for Congress seemed to good to be true? Looks like I was wrong.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12192453.htm

 He met with Speaker Hastert last week and admitted that he is looking into a run. He said he'll have to talk it over with the family and admitted that it would be tough to unseat Schwartz. No one is denying that it would be tough but he can do it.

Keep on believing that.  You being able to oust Schwartz is like us being about to oust Dent.  Neither are going to happen, barring a miracle.  If the Republicans were smart, they'd spend their money protecting PA 6, 8 (to a lesser extent) and 18

Excuse me, nini, but are you going to deny that Bruce Castor is one of the most (if not the most) popular elected official in Montco? I know you intern for Schwartz but atleast admit that facing Bruce Castor would mean trouble for Schwartz. Don't compare it to PA 15. We have a strong candidate here. You guys don't have anyone in PA 15.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 24, 2005, 08:02:11 PM
Castor wouldn't be crushed here and I don't see him losing Montco. He's much more popular there.

Anyway, I thought Castor for Congress seemed to good to be true? Looks like I was wrong.

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/12192453.htm

 He met with Speaker Hastert last week and admitted that he is looking into a run. He said he'll have to talk it over with the family and admitted that it would be tough to unseat Schwartz. No one is denying that it would be tough but he can do it.

Keep on believing that.  You being able to oust Schwartz is like us being about to oust Dent.  Neither are going to happen, barring a miracle.  If the Republicans were smart, they'd spend their money protecting PA 6, 8 (to a lesser extent) and 18

Excuse me, nini, but are you going to deny that Bruce Castor is one of the most (if not the most) popular elected official in Montco? I know you intern for Schwartz but atleast admit that facing Bruce Castor would mean trouble for Schwartz. Don't compare it to PA 15. We have a strong candidate here. You guys don't have anyone in PA 15.

I'll agree with that, but you are underestimating Schwartz' popularity as well (especially on social issues).  Castor would do better than Brown in Montco (not by as much as you'd hope) and the margins in the city would be relatively close to 2004.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 08:08:38 PM


I'll agree with that, but you are underestimating Schwartz' popularity as well (especially on social issues).  Castor would do better than Brown in Montco (not by as much as you'd hope) and the margins in the city would be relatively close to 2004.



Brown screwed up in NE Philly in 2004. If Castor runs a smart campaign, he would make it pretty close here. As for Montco, he could win there but if he doesn't, I don't see him losing by more than two.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2005, 08:18:31 PM


I'll agree with that, but you are underestimating Schwartz' popularity as well (especially on social issues).  Castor would do better than Brown in Montco (not by as much as you'd hope) and the margins in the city would be relatively close to 2004.



Brown screwed up in NE Philly in 2004. If Castor runs a smart campaign, he would make it pretty close here. As for Montco, he could win there but if he doesn't, I don't see him losing by more than two.

Brown had the popularity from 2002 in NE Philly and still lost.  Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 08:22:10 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

Yet you predicted Schwartz 51%  Castor 49%  when we discussed this before....


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2005, 08:26:28 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

Yet you predicted Schwartz 51%  Castor 49%  when we discussed this before....

I changed my mind!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 24, 2005, 08:26:34 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

I agree.  I'd say Schwartz 55 Castor 45.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 08:27:11 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

Yet you predicted Schwartz 51%  Castor 49%  when we discussed this before....

I changed my mind!

You've become more of a hack!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2005, 08:32:59 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

Yet you predicted Schwartz 51%  Castor 49%  when we discussed this before....

I changed my mind!

You've become more of a hack!

Is that all you can say to me?  No I have a reason for that and I think I just told you on AIM.  Anyway, I think you had a decent chance with a pro-choice Republican in Melissa Brown and you guys blew it.  The anti-choice Castor will have trouble against Schwartz who is popular in Montco.  NE Philly will go with whoever labor wants.  Schwartz has very solid labor backing and it could be challenged with an O'Brien or Taylor candidacy which in that case they'd get slaughtered on choice as well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 08:38:13 PM

 Castor will lose by at the lowest 6. 

Yet you predicted Schwartz 51%  Castor 49%  when we discussed this before....

I changed my mind!

You've become more of a hack!

Is that all you can say to me?  No I have a reason for that and I think I just told you on AIM.  Anyway, I think you had a decent chance with a pro-choice Republican in Melissa Brown and you guys blew it.  The anti-choice Castor will have trouble against Schwartz who is popular in Montco.  NE Philly will go with whoever labor wants.  Schwartz has very solid labor backing and it could be challenged with an O'Brien or Taylor candidacy which in that case they'd get slaughtered on choice as well.

Yes, that's what I have to say to you. You have no good reasoning for anything. You used the same reasoning now that you did then.

Schwartz is popular in Montco but not as popular as Castor. She won Montco by nine last year. Not that hot.

NE Phillu just barely went with the Union backed Hoeffel in 2002. With a strong candidate like Castor, you guys would be in trouble (but could still win. I'm not doubting that for a second).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 09:42:35 PM
Big News (something I didn't see earlier) - Bob Asher, the Republican National Committeeman who was attacked by Castor last year, said he'd support Castor if he ran for Congress.

Asher is the main reason why Castor has such problems with the party leadership and what pretty much ended his Gubernatorial ambitions. This is certainly some news in PA GOP politics. No one expected Asher to just come out and announce his support of Castor.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 24, 2005, 09:50:14 PM
Big News (something I didn't see earlier) - Bob Asher, the Republican National Committeeman who was attacked by Castor last year, said he'd support Castor if he ran for Congress.

Asher is the main reason why Castor has such problems with the party leadership and what pretty much ended his Gubernatorial ambitions. This is certainly some news in PA GOP politics. No one expected Asher to just come out and announce his support of Castor.

Bob Assher.  A man with great credibility.  Nice choice!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 24, 2005, 09:55:36 PM
Bob Assher.  A man with great credibility.  Nice choice!

He's the guy that matters with some of these party operations, whether we like him or not.

You're party is worse though when it comes to the leadership.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2005, 10:01:20 AM
Castor "unconvinced" that Congressional race is right for him. 

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_2castorjul27,0,6856046.story?coll=all-news-hed


We can only hope he changes his mind...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 27, 2005, 12:44:38 PM
Castor "unconvinced" that Congressional race is right for him. 

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b1_2castorjul27,0,6856046.story?coll=all-news-hed


We can only hope he changes his mind...

Tauben
  berger!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2005, 06:05:49 PM

He'll be challenged. I could see Matthews getting into the race (if Castor doesn't) and poor Al will be beat again.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2005, 07:19:24 PM
Congresswoman Schwartz takes on the tough issues!

From her website:  Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz met with industry representatives to discuss ways to prevent injuries associated with furniture tipover accidents.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 27, 2005, 08:33:35 PM
Congresswoman Schwartz takes on the tough issues!

From her website:  Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz met with industry representatives to discuss ways to prevent injuries associated with furniture tipover accidents.

Well when a 200-pound sofa falls on your foot, don't come crying to your Congresswoman


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2005, 08:52:32 PM
Congresswoman Schwartz takes on the tough issues!

From her website:  Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz met with industry representatives to discuss ways to prevent injuries associated with furniture tipover accidents.

Well when a 200-pound sofa falls on your foot, don't come crying to your Congresswoman

I would have never thought to do that anyway but ok.

And tell me how a sofa falls on my foot?  :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Max Power on July 27, 2005, 08:53:57 PM
Congresswoman Schwartz takes on the tough issues!

From her website:  Representative Allyson Y. Schwartz met with industry representatives to discuss ways to prevent injuries associated with furniture tipover accidents.

Well when a 200-pound sofa falls on your foot, don't come crying to your Congresswoman

I would have never thought to do that anyway but ok.

And tell me how a sofa falls on my foot?  :P
I could..... But I don't want to make the members sick.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 27, 2005, 09:06:42 PM
I just read the Schwartz press release. She talks about how a young girl tragically died when a chest fell on her. While everyone who reads about a story like that is deeply saddened, the Congresswoman shouldn't be working to force parents/owners to purchase a safety feature with every piece of furniture they happen to purchase. Those who have the furniture must take some responsibility here. Our members of Congress should be taking on the pressing matters of the present.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 28, 2005, 03:27:06 AM
I just read the Schwartz press release. She talks about how a young girl tragically died when a chest fell on her. While everyone who reads about a story like that is deeply saddened, the Congresswoman shouldn't be working to force parents/owners to purchase a safety feature with every piece of furniture they happen to purchase. Those who have the furniture must take some responsibility here. Our members of Congress should be taking on the pressing matters of the present.

Such as steroids in baseball.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 28, 2005, 03:55:45 AM
A few articles about Northeast Philly just to give Forumites a primer as to what me and Phil are talking about at times:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/special_packages/northeast_phila/


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 28, 2005, 11:35:15 AM

I totally agree that that issue is not one of the most important and other issues should have been debated before that.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 28, 2005, 11:39:51 AM
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Good 'ol Al.

Did you see the article about NE Philly seceding? I remember my dad explaining how Salvatore tried that in the '80s. Surprisingly, I don't know if I'd support that though I guess these days I would lean towards us becoming our own city.

I always wondered what we'd be named and when people told me "Liberty County" I was alittle turned off but I guess the point of the movement is most important.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 28, 2005, 01:28:27 PM
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Good 'ol Al.

Did you see the article about NE Philly seceding? I remember my dad explaining how Salvatore tried that in the '80s. Surprisingly, I don't know if I'd support that though I guess these days I would lean towards us becoming our own city.

I always wondered what we'd be named and when people told me "Liberty County" I was alittle turned off but I guess the point of the movement is most important.

I wouldn't support that.  Unfortunately NE Philly has no commerical base such as Center City to make such a move worth it.  What do you think pays these police, firemen, teachers, and many other city workers that reside up here? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on August 05, 2005, 06:34:45 PM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 05, 2005, 06:36:41 PM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.

Welcome back. Ladies and gentlemen, DMK169 was originally TeenGOP - the guy you can thank for starting this famous thread. Hopefully he will stick around for many more PA 13 debates.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 06, 2005, 12:42:18 AM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.

Welcome back DMK.  You are right that NE Philly pays for a good amount, but do you really want to axe Center City?  I would like to see the stats on who pays what before I jump to any conclusions.  I mean CC has the skyscrapers/corporate offices, the expensive lofts, the theatres, the hospitals.  I also don't want to axe South Philly or NW Philly either.  I think the Salvatore proposal is quite boneheaded if you ask me and could hurt us more than you think.  Also the police, fire, teachers a whatnot reside up here in the NE as well.  I think a lot of the largesse of the tax base comes from Center City, not so much the Northeast. 

And another question.  Where do you think people listed in the places above go and commute?  More times than none, not their hometown.  True, Flourtown, Newtown and whatnot are nicer places to live, but people living there also pay higher property taxes, pay for their trash pickup and make a lot more than NE residents and have bigger homes.  Granted If I were raising kids, I'd want to be there.  I'd much rather pay a property tax for a public school than a tuition. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on August 07, 2005, 10:47:53 AM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.

Welcome back DMK.  You are right that NE Philly pays for a good amount, but do you really want to axe Center City?  I would like to see the stats on who pays what before I jump to any conclusions.  I mean CC has the skyscrapers/corporate offices, the expensive lofts, the theatres, the hospitals.  I also don't want to axe South Philly or NW Philly either.  I think the Salvatore proposal is quite boneheaded if you ask me and could hurt us more than you think.  Also the police, fire, teachers a whatnot reside up here in the NE as well.  I think a lot of the largesse of the tax base comes from Center City, not so much the Northeast. 

And another question.  Where do you think people listed in the places above go and commute?  More times than none, not their hometown.  True, Flourtown, Newtown and whatnot are nicer places to live, but people living there also pay higher property taxes, pay for their trash pickup and make a lot more than NE residents and have bigger homes.  Granted If I were raising kids, I'd want to be there.  I'd much rather pay a property tax for a public school than a tuition. 

A skyscraper doesnt equate to a successful municipality. Have you been to flourtown recently? It is BY FAR more successful that Philadelphia (better fiscal situation, less crime etc.) Trust me when I say, we do not need center city. Please do not ignore my examples this time (Flourtown, Jenkintown, Newtown, Doylestown, Ivyland). All of those places are in a better fiscal, crime, education, quality of life etc. situation than Philadelphia. Please, deny that - I'd love to see anyone try. A VAST majority of the Tax Base comes from the Northeast, NOT Center City. 1 legislative district makes up MOST of Center City whereas there is a minimum of 6 districts that are mostly made up of NE Philly.
Thank you for proving a point for me. Teachers, Police, Fire etc. all live in NE Philly. Hence the large tax base.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on August 07, 2005, 02:53:44 PM
Is DMK the former Chairman of the SEPTARS?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 07, 2005, 05:02:03 PM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.

Welcome back DMK.  You are right that NE Philly pays for a good amount, but do you really want to axe Center City?  I would like to see the stats on who pays what before I jump to any conclusions.  I mean CC has the skyscrapers/corporate offices, the expensive lofts, the theatres, the hospitals.  I also don't want to axe South Philly or NW Philly either.  I think the Salvatore proposal is quite boneheaded if you ask me and could hurt us more than you think.  Also the police, fire, teachers a whatnot reside up here in the NE as well.  I think a lot of the largesse of the tax base comes from Center City, not so much the Northeast. 

And another question.  Where do you think people listed in the places above go and commute?  More times than none, not their hometown.  True, Flourtown, Newtown and whatnot are nicer places to live, but people living there also pay higher property taxes, pay for their trash pickup and make a lot more than NE residents and have bigger homes.  Granted If I were raising kids, I'd want to be there.  I'd much rather pay a property tax for a public school than a tuition. 

A skyscraper doesnt equate to a successful municipality. Have you been to flourtown recently? It is BY FAR more successful that Philadelphia (better fiscal situation, less crime etc.) Trust me when I say, we do not need center city. Please do not ignore my examples this time (Flourtown, Jenkintown, Newtown, Doylestown, Ivyland). All of those places are in a better fiscal, crime, education, quality of life etc. situation than Philadelphia. Please, deny that - I'd love to see anyone try. A VAST majority of the Tax Base comes from the Northeast, NOT Center City. 1 legislative district makes up MOST of Center City whereas there is a minimum of 6 districts that are mostly made up of NE Philly.
Thank you for proving a point for me. Teachers, Police, Fire etc. all live in NE Philly. Hence the large tax base.

I'll never deny the fact that Flourtown, Jenkintown, Ivyland, etc. have a much better quality of life than us hell even better than NE Philly, but that's because their residents make more money than we do.  And where again do a lot of these people work?  Center City.  Also the cops, firemen, and teachers.. where do they work?  Mostly outside of NE Philly.  You also have to realize that these cops and firemen plus other city workers HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY THEY RESIDE IN.  Many of these people would lose their jobs if the Salvatore proposal were to go through.   

I do think however, our services compared to other parts of the city are substandard, yet we are the paying customers by and large.  Our streets are virtually impassable during huge snowstorms, yet the ones near Temple's campus and CC are clear as a bell.  You are right, we get shortchanged.  However, I also think it's shortsighted to secede from the city of Philadelphia as a whole as well.  There is an interdependency people in Northeast Philadelphia and other parts of the city fail to realize. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 07, 2005, 08:59:02 PM
Damn, just to make a note this thread is 14 months old and still going.  I don't know when it will ever stop.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on August 07, 2005, 11:44:36 PM
Is DMK the former Chairman of the SEPTARS?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 07, 2005, 11:53:29 PM

Yes


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on August 08, 2005, 10:35:33 PM
we would have the same commercical base as Jenkintown, Newtown, Flourtown, Doylestown, Ivyland etc. The difference between those places and Philly is that those places are successful and great places to live.
Wanna know who pays for the Police, Fire, Teachers and other city workers? NORTHEAST PHILADELPHIA!!! NOT Center City, NOT West Philly, NOT South Philly. Yes, it is Northeast Philly and the hard working middle class families who live here. Dont kid yourself, those towns I mentioned have less commercical base than NE Philly (industrial park off of Southampton Rd) and they are quite nice places to live. We in the NE pay for the entire City, NOT any other part of Philly - dont give them the credit.

Welcome back DMK.  You are right that NE Philly pays for a good amount, but do you really want to axe Center City?  I would like to see the stats on who pays what before I jump to any conclusions.  I mean CC has the skyscrapers/corporate offices, the expensive lofts, the theatres, the hospitals.  I also don't want to axe South Philly or NW Philly either.  I think the Salvatore proposal is quite boneheaded if you ask me and could hurt us more than you think.  Also the police, fire, teachers a whatnot reside up here in the NE as well.  I think a lot of the largesse of the tax base comes from Center City, not so much the Northeast. 

And another question.  Where do you think people listed in the places above go and commute?  More times than none, not their hometown.  True, Flourtown, Newtown and whatnot are nicer places to live, but people living there also pay higher property taxes, pay for their trash pickup and make a lot more than NE residents and have bigger homes.  Granted If I were raising kids, I'd want to be there.  I'd much rather pay a property tax for a public school than a tuition. 

A skyscraper doesnt equate to a successful municipality. Have you been to flourtown recently? It is BY FAR more successful that Philadelphia (better fiscal situation, less crime etc.) Trust me when I say, we do not need center city. Please do not ignore my examples this time (Flourtown, Jenkintown, Newtown, Doylestown, Ivyland). All of those places are in a better fiscal, crime, education, quality of life etc. situation than Philadelphia. Please, deny that - I'd love to see anyone try. A VAST majority of the Tax Base comes from the Northeast, NOT Center City. 1 legislative district makes up MOST of Center City whereas there is a minimum of 6 districts that are mostly made up of NE Philly.
Thank you for proving a point for me. Teachers, Police, Fire etc. all live in NE Philly. Hence the large tax base.

I'll never deny the fact that Flourtown, Jenkintown, Ivyland, etc. have a much better quality of life than us hell even better than NE Philly, but that's because their residents make more money than we do.  And where again do a lot of these people work?  Center City.  Also the cops, firemen, and teachers.. where do they work?  Mostly outside of NE Philly.  You also have to realize that these cops and firemen plus other city workers HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY THEY RESIDE IN.  Many of these people would lose their jobs if the Salvatore proposal were to go through.   

I do think however, our services compared to other parts of the city are substandard, yet we are the paying customers by and large.  Our streets are virtually impassable during huge snowstorms, yet the ones near Temple's campus and CC are clear as a bell.  You are right, we get shortchanged.  However, I also think it's shortsighted to secede from the city of Philadelphia as a whole as well.  There is an interdependency people in Northeast Philadelphia and other parts of the city fail to realize. 

the fact that they make more money than us has nothing to do with a safe neighborhood. do you mean to tell me that because you are poor, you do not know right from wrong? that is the liberal philosophy and it has been for quite sometime but its wrong. Yes, i know the teachers, fire, police etc. have to live in the city in which they reside which is why they would make great police, fire, teachers etc. in Liberty City (proposed name). And if they do not want to make the switch then they can move but if they dont want to move, they can stay.
does the NE have to leave the city? i dont know but i do know that we must do something fast because the rest of the city is failing and they are having all our money thrown at them. well as usual, the "lets throw money at it" attitude IS NOT WORKING. give us in the northeast our money back because we are the last large hope for the city.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 14, 2005, 01:36:39 PM
Some important PA 13 numbers concerning the Presidential election - http://www.politicspa.com/FEATURES/05candidateperformance.htm

Schwartz - 56%
Brown - 41%
Others - 3%  (Constitution candidate received 2%. Libertarian candidate received 1%)


Kerry - 56%
Bush - 44%

Main reason why Schwartz won so big - Straight Dem voting.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 14, 2005, 01:58:26 PM
Some important PA 13 numbers concerning the Presidential election - http://www.politicspa.com/FEATURES/05candidateperformance.htm

Schwartz - 56%
Brown - 41%
Others - 3%  (Constitution candidate received 2%. Libertarian candidate received 1%)


Kerry - 56%
Bush - 44%

Main reason why Schwartz won so big - Straight Dem voting.

You can split tickets you know.  Look at PA 6, 7, and 8.  Kerry won all of them.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 14, 2005, 02:07:10 PM
Some important PA 13 numbers concerning the Presidential election - http://www.politicspa.com/FEATURES/05candidateperformance.htm

Schwartz - 56%
Brown - 41%
Others - 3%  (Constitution candidate received 2%. Libertarian candidate received 1%)


Kerry - 56%
Bush - 44%

Main reason why Schwartz won so big - Straight Dem voting.

You can split tickets you know.  Look at PA 6, 7, and 8.  Kerry won all of them.

With the strong NE Philly Dem turnout, splitting the ticket wasn't going to be that strong.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 14, 2005, 02:27:26 PM
Some important PA 13 numbers concerning the Presidential election - http://www.politicspa.com/FEATURES/05candidateperformance.htm

Schwartz - 56%
Brown - 41%
Others - 3%  (Constitution candidate received 2%. Libertarian candidate received 1%)


Kerry - 56%
Bush - 44%

Main reason why Schwartz won so big - Straight Dem voting.

You can split tickets you know.  Look at PA 6, 7, and 8.  Kerry won all of them.

With the strong NE Philly Dem turnout, splitting the ticket wasn't going to be that strong.



I was very suprised that Kerry didn't get 60% in PA 13.  I knew there was a lot of Kerry/Brown splitting especially in Mayfair.  I've counted 4 houses with Kerry and Brown signs on the same lawn.  There must have been Bush/Schwartz splitting with Jewish voters I'm guessing.  I found a lot of Jewish people who voted for Gore in 2000 did it because of Lieberman however voted Bush because of his hawkishness with Israel and the fact that Jewish voters like to stick together.  Jewish voters make up about 15% of PA 13 which is quite significant.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 01, 2005, 12:13:14 PM
Everyone acted around the election like Allyson Schwartz doesnt know the district and shes out of touch because her main residence is in Mount Airy. YOU ACTED LIKE Mt. Airy is so out of the district when really its not so far out and people obviously new her because she murked Melissa Brown in the election. I think the republicans will never win that district. AND THATS A FACT!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on September 01, 2005, 12:16:19 PM
Heeeess backkkk...and now a word from Keystone Phil...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 01, 2005, 12:26:22 PM
Everyone acted around the election like Allyson Schwartz doesnt know the district and shes out of touch because her main residence is in Mount Airy. YOU ACTED LIKE Mt. Airy is so out of the district when really its not so far out and people obviously new her because she murked Melissa Brown in the election. I think the republicans will never win that district. AND THATS A FACT!

Welcome back!  Allyson was well in her right to run for PA 13.  Her State Senate seat covers a good portion of PA 13 and she resided less than a mile for its boundaries.  The GOP loves to make the carpetbagging excuse to legitimize themselves in this case, but time and time again they fail.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 01, 2005, 04:23:51 PM
Everyone acted around the election like Allyson Schwartz doesnt know the district and shes out of touch because her main residence is in Mount Airy. YOU ACTED LIKE Mt. Airy is so out of the district when really its not so far out and people obviously new her because she murked Melissa Brown in the election. I think the republicans will never win that district. AND THATS A FACT!

We acted like Mt. Airy was out of the district and it was. Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

You think the GOP will never win and that's a fact? Just like Ginny winning was a fact?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 12:57:16 AM
THE GOP will not win PA 13. MELISSA BROWN PERFECT EXAMPLE.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 01:02:38 AM
GOVERNMAS THIS IS A FORUM LETS KEEP IT TO POLITICS AND NOT THE BULL sh**t LIKE HE'S BACK ITS UNNECESSARY LET ME REITTERATE THIS IS A  FORUM FOR POLITICS NOT BULL sh**t!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:03:19 AM
THE GOP will not win PA 13. MELISSA BROWN PERFECT EXAMPLE.

Uh...Melissa Brown almost won in 2002, Mark.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 01:03:40 AM
keyword ALMOST!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:04:35 AM

So how can you say they "can't" win?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 01:07:11 AM
THE GOP's strongest candidate Melissa Brown used every scare tactic in the book as well as manipulated many and she didnt get in because the democrats come out to vote at the polls. The GOP I think is smart enough that in that district its a loss cause.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:08:39 AM
THE GOP's strongest candidate Melissa Brown used every scare tactic in the book as well as manipulated many and she didnt get in because the democrats come out to vote at the polls. The GOP I think is smart enough that in that district its a loss cause.

How is it a lost cause when we have a popular DA from Montco who might run? How was it a lost cause in the past? 2002 - Hoeffel only wins by four points. Was it a lost cause for the GOP then?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on September 02, 2005, 01:11:15 AM
THE GOP's strongest candidate Melissa Brown used every scare tactic in the book as well as manipulated many and she didnt get in because the democrats come out to vote at the polls. The GOP I think is smart enough that in that district its a loss cause.

How is it a lost cause when we have a popular DA from Montco who might run? How was it a lost cause in the past? 2002 - Hoeffel only wins by four points. Was it a lost cause for the GOP then?

Brown lost by double digits last year in an open seat race.  Is it a lost cause?? No, but the Dems have a very clear edge in the district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:15:08 AM
THE GOP's strongest candidate Melissa Brown used every scare tactic in the book as well as manipulated many and she didnt get in because the democrats come out to vote at the polls. The GOP I think is smart enough that in that district its a loss cause.

How is it a lost cause when we have a popular DA from Montco who might run? How was it a lost cause in the past? 2002 - Hoeffel only wins by four points. Was it a lost cause for the GOP then?

Brown lost by double digits last year in an open seat race.  Is it a lost cause?? No, but the Dems have a very clear edge in the district.

Presidential election years - Yes, the Dems have an edge.
Midterms - No.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 01:25:03 AM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:29:17 AM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on September 02, 2005, 01:59:08 AM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Maybe, but not so sure about that.  A Specter re-election run during a midterm election you have a point, however Santorum is not exactly going to do that well in the district next year, so  any decrese iin the Dems edge due to not having a Pres election is pretty much mute in 06


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 02, 2005, 02:45:49 AM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Smash has a point there Phil.  You have Santorum who will not do well here plus Rendell at the top of the ticket who is very popular here.  Bush's policies are not going over well here and Castor has to distance himself quite far from those which in turn will hurt his party's support.  PA 13 is a lost cause for you guys even with Castor.  You have a double edged sword with Castor.  The Dems can grill him on choice amongst his base where Schwartz is also popular.  NE Philly you have the unions who like in 2002 and 2004, will grill the Republican nominee regardless.  Defending PA 6 and 8 will be your challenge this time.  Mike Fitzpatrick is lock step with Bush and Jim Gerlach has distanced himself very little.  Gerlach's saving grace is he favors embryonic stem cell research, but he will get blasted on his ties to Rove. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 08:33:45 AM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Smash has a point there Phil.  You have Santorum who will not do well here plus Rendell at the top of the ticket who is very popular here.  Bush's policies are not going over well here and Castor has to distance himself quite far from those which in turn will hurt his party's support.  PA 13 is a lost cause for you guys even with Castor.  You have a double edged sword with Castor.  The Dems can grill him on choice amongst his base where Schwartz is also popular.  NE Philly you have the unions who like in 2002 and 2004, will grill the Republican nominee regardless.  Defending PA 6 and 8 will be your challenge this time.  Mike Fitzpatrick is lock step with Bush and Jim Gerlach has distanced himself very little.  Gerlach's saving grace is he favors embryonic stem cell research, but he will get blasted on his ties to Rove. 

Rendell was at the top in 2002. PA 13 was close.

For you to say PA 13 is a lost cause even with Castor proves you are a hack. If you think he'd lose by more than about five points, you're foolish.

Defending PA 6 and PA 8? You couldn't win them with higher turnout (favors the Dems) but you're going to win them now? Ginny will prevail, again? You don't have PA 8. Get over it. You'll lose in PA 6 again, too.

And you guys are also pretty foolish if you think there will be some rush to the polls just because of Santorum. You are really overestimating the Anybody but Santorum feelings here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on September 02, 2005, 01:12:47 PM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Smash has a point there Phil.  You have Santorum who will not do well here plus Rendell at the top of the ticket who is very popular here.  Bush's policies are not going over well here and Castor has to distance himself quite far from those which in turn will hurt his party's support.  PA 13 is a lost cause for you guys even with Castor.  You have a double edged sword with Castor.  The Dems can grill him on choice amongst his base where Schwartz is also popular.  NE Philly you have the unions who like in 2002 and 2004, will grill the Republican nominee regardless.  Defending PA 6 and 8 will be your challenge this time.  Mike Fitzpatrick is lock step with Bush and Jim Gerlach has distanced himself very little.  Gerlach's saving grace is he favors embryonic stem cell research, but he will get blasted on his ties to Rove. 

Rendell was at the top in 2002. PA 13 was close.


PA-13 was close that year because:

1) Schwartz is a stronger candidate than Hoeffel.

2) The Montco "Republicans" felt ore comfortable with their party in 2002 than they did in 2004.

crap I had a couple more reasons but I forgot them for now, I'll post them again if I can remember them


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 02, 2005, 01:15:40 PM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Smash has a point there Phil.  You have Santorum who will not do well here plus Rendell at the top of the ticket who is very popular here.  Bush's policies are not going over well here and Castor has to distance himself quite far from those which in turn will hurt his party's support.  PA 13 is a lost cause for you guys even with Castor.  You have a double edged sword with Castor.  The Dems can grill him on choice amongst his base where Schwartz is also popular.  NE Philly you have the unions who like in 2002 and 2004, will grill the Republican nominee regardless.  Defending PA 6 and 8 will be your challenge this time.  Mike Fitzpatrick is lock step with Bush and Jim Gerlach has distanced himself very little.  Gerlach's saving grace is he favors embryonic stem cell research, but he will get blasted on his ties to Rove. 

Rendell was at the top in 2002. PA 13 was close.


PA-13 was close that year because:

1) Schwartz is a stronger candidate than Hoeffel.

2) The Montco "Republicans" felt ore comfortable with their party in 2002 than they did in 2004.

crap I had a couple more reasons but I forgot them for now, I'll post them again if I can remember them

1) Not on the issues. Hoeffel is more in line with people of PA 13 than Schwartz.

2) They weren't energized this time because of our joke of a campaign.


We had a candidate that could win and we hit the issues. This time is was a mess. We put up Taubenberger and you guys have the district. We put up Castor and we have a great race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen05 on September 02, 2005, 03:34:19 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on September 02, 2005, 03:54:13 PM
OK Phil whatever you say  when the next election comes around it will not be a Presidential Election it will be a midterm and lets see if Allyson Will beat the GOP's candidate. I bet you 10 bucks that the incumbent wins and the dems come out in that district.

If we don't nominate Castor, you guys will win the seat. I'm not doubting that. The reason is because we're likely to nominate a weak candidate next time (Taubenberger) if Castor doesn't run. All I'm saying is that the Dems are clearly weaker during midterms in this district.

Smash has a point there Phil.  You have Santorum who will not do well here plus Rendell at the top of the ticket who is very popular here.  Bush's policies are not going over well here and Castor has to distance himself quite far from those which in turn will hurt his party's support.  PA 13 is a lost cause for you guys even with Castor.  You have a double edged sword with Castor.  The Dems can grill him on choice amongst his base where Schwartz is also popular.  NE Philly you have the unions who like in 2002 and 2004, will grill the Republican nominee regardless.  Defending PA 6 and 8 will be your challenge this time.  Mike Fitzpatrick is lock step with Bush and Jim Gerlach has distanced himself very little.  Gerlach's saving grace is he favors embryonic stem cell research, but he will get blasted on his ties to Rove. 

Rendell was at the top in 2002. PA 13 was close.

For you to say PA 13 is a lost cause even with Castor proves you are a hack. If you think he'd lose by more than about five points, you're foolish.

Defending PA 6 and PA 8? You couldn't win them with higher turnout (favors the Dems) but you're going to win them now? Ginny will prevail, again? You don't have PA 8. Get over it. You'll lose in PA 6 again, too.

And you guys are also pretty foolish if you think there will be some rush to the polls just because of Santorum. You are really overestimating the Anybody but Santorum feelings here.

Phil point I was making is yes I agree the Dems have a bigger advantage in Presidential elections for te House seat in the district than they do in non Pres elections.  However the Senator who is also running does have an impact, while not the same impact a Pres election has the Senator does have an impact &  the House seat in the district is much harder when Santorum is running for re-election in a mid-term election than it is with someone like Specter running


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 03, 2005, 03:27:25 AM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.

Castor has said repeatedly he is a DA and does not want to mess with other races.  Some people are just not meant for a legislative or an executive branch of government and Castor is in for a bumpy ride come 2006 especially with Rendell on the top of the ticket. 

This is for Phil:
Honestly, do you think Lynne Abraham could be mayor of Philadelphia?  I highly doubt it, but people adore her as DA.  The same principle applies for Bruce Castor.  The GOP has bruised him in the past and I don't think it would be wise for him to try and jump ship.  Taubenberger is your likely nominee and he will get slaughtered worse than Brown winning only Fox Chase and maybe a few of the farther portions of Montco. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Max Power on September 03, 2005, 12:41:53 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.
Just curious, are you a Democrat or a Republican?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 03, 2005, 01:40:26 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.
Just curious, are you a Democrat or a Republican?

He's a Democrat.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 05:22:22 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.

Castor has said repeatedly he is a DA and does not want to mess with other races.  Some people are just not meant for a legislative or an executive branch of government and Castor is in for a bumpy ride come 2006 especially with Rendell on the top of the ticket. 

This is for Phil:
Honestly, do you think Lynne Abraham could be mayor of Philadelphia?  I highly doubt it, but people adore her as DA.  The same principle applies for Bruce Castor.  The GOP has bruised him in the past and I don't think it would be wise for him to try and jump ship.  Taubenberger is your likely nominee and he will get slaughtered worse than Brown winning only Fox Chase and maybe a few of the farther portions of Montco. 

He was being courted by the GOP leadership and actually went down to DC to meet with the Speaker. It could happen.

Could Abraham be Mayor? Yes. Is it likely? No. It's not even relevant to this topic. Castor is a well liked figure. The Montco GOP loves the guy. The Philly Dems are different.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2005, 07:02:58 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.

Castor has said repeatedly he is a DA and does not want to mess with other races.  Some people are just not meant for a legislative or an executive branch of government and Castor is in for a bumpy ride come 2006 especially with Rendell on the top of the ticket. 

This is for Phil:
Honestly, do you think Lynne Abraham could be mayor of Philadelphia?  I highly doubt it, but people adore her as DA.  The same principle applies for Bruce Castor.  The GOP has bruised him in the past and I don't think it would be wise for him to try and jump ship.  Taubenberger is your likely nominee and he will get slaughtered worse than Brown winning only Fox Chase and maybe a few of the farther portions of Montco. 

He was being courted by the GOP leadership and actually went down to DC to meet with the Speaker. It could happen.

Could Abraham be Mayor? Yes. Is it likely? No. It's not even relevant to this topic. Castor is a well liked figure. The Montco GOP loves the guy. The Philly Dems are different.

Again you are damaging his credibility if he runs.  Castor is definitely bruised from his run last year and btw, when is Castor up for reelection? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 07:05:30 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.

Castor has said repeatedly he is a DA and does not want to mess with other races.  Some people are just not meant for a legislative or an executive branch of government and Castor is in for a bumpy ride come 2006 especially with Rendell on the top of the ticket. 

This is for Phil:
Honestly, do you think Lynne Abraham could be mayor of Philadelphia?  I highly doubt it, but people adore her as DA.  The same principle applies for Bruce Castor.  The GOP has bruised him in the past and I don't think it would be wise for him to try and jump ship.  Taubenberger is your likely nominee and he will get slaughtered worse than Brown winning only Fox Chase and maybe a few of the farther portions of Montco. 

He was being courted by the GOP leadership and actually went down to DC to meet with the Speaker. It could happen.

Could Abraham be Mayor? Yes. Is it likely? No. It's not even relevant to this topic. Castor is a well liked figure. The Montco GOP loves the guy. The Philly Dems are different.

Again you are damaging his credibility if he runs.  Castor is definitely bruised from his run last year and btw, when is Castor up for reelection? 

Castor was bruised last year by the party but now they want him to run for Congress. I believe he's up for re-election in 2007 so he really has nothing to lose.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2005, 07:20:54 PM
I think Castor will just keep his job as DA and will not bother with PA 13. AL taubenberger on the other hand is a perfect candidate for pa 13 that guy hes a joke haha.

Castor has said repeatedly he is a DA and does not want to mess with other races.  Some people are just not meant for a legislative or an executive branch of government and Castor is in for a bumpy ride come 2006 especially with Rendell on the top of the ticket. 

This is for Phil:
Honestly, do you think Lynne Abraham could be mayor of Philadelphia?  I highly doubt it, but people adore her as DA.  The same principle applies for Bruce Castor.  The GOP has bruised him in the past and I don't think it would be wise for him to try and jump ship.  Taubenberger is your likely nominee and he will get slaughtered worse than Brown winning only Fox Chase and maybe a few of the farther portions of Montco. 

He was being courted by the GOP leadership and actually went down to DC to meet with the Speaker. It could happen.

Could Abraham be Mayor? Yes. Is it likely? No. It's not even relevant to this topic. Castor is a well liked figure. The Montco GOP loves the guy. The Philly Dems are different.

Again you are damaging his credibility if he runs.  Castor is definitely bruised from his run last year and btw, when is Castor up for reelection? 

Castor was bruised last year by the party but now they want him to run for Congress. I believe he's up for re-election in 2007 so he really has nothing to lose.

Ok, so he has nothing to lose.  Well eventually people may get tired of him constantly running for an office while he's elected.  This will defintiely weaken him plus the fact Schwartz has an incredible war chest and an army of volunteers.  Would Castor take time off his campaign merely to distract the Dems from PA 6 and 8?  I doubt it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 07:23:45 PM


Ok, so he has nothing to lose.  Well eventually people may get tired of him constantly running for an office while he's elected.  This will defintiely weaken him plus the fact Schwartz has an incredible war chest and an army of volunteers.  Would Castor take time off his campaign merely to distract the Dems from PA 6 and 8?  I doubt it.

Constantly running? The only other office he ran for was AG. Him running for Congress won't weaken him. The war chest is obviously against him but the name helps.

And his run wouldn't just be to distract the Dems, Flyers. He can win and he obviously scares the PA 13 Dems. Taubenberger doesn't. McColgan doesn't. Matthews doesn't. Castor does.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2005, 07:31:39 PM


Ok, so he has nothing to lose.  Well eventually people may get tired of him constantly running for an office while he's elected.  This will defintiely weaken him plus the fact Schwartz has an incredible war chest and an army of volunteers.  Would Castor take time off his campaign merely to distract the Dems from PA 6 and 8?  I doubt it.

Constantly running? The only other office he ran for was AG. Him running for Congress won't weaken him. The war chest is obviously against him but the name helps.

And his run wouldn't just be to distract the Dems, Flyers. He can win and he obviously scares the PA 13 Dems. Taubenberger doesn't. McColgan doesn't. Matthews doesn't. Castor does.

The demographics and national party approval is not in your favor.  It would be foolish for him to run.  He is better just sitting in Montco as DA and running for the 2008 GOP nomination for the PA seat.  Castor is an unknown in NE Philly and the pro-choicers will diminish him badly in Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 07:33:54 PM


Ok, so he has nothing to lose.  Well eventually people may get tired of him constantly running for an office while he's elected.  This will defintiely weaken him plus the fact Schwartz has an incredible war chest and an army of volunteers.  Would Castor take time off his campaign merely to distract the Dems from PA 6 and 8?  I doubt it.

Constantly running? The only other office he ran for was AG. Him running for Congress won't weaken him. The war chest is obviously against him but the name helps.

And his run wouldn't just be to distract the Dems, Flyers. He can win and he obviously scares the PA 13 Dems. Taubenberger doesn't. McColgan doesn't. Matthews doesn't. Castor does.

The demographics and national party approval is not in your favor.  It would be foolish for him to run.  He is better just sitting in Montco as DA and running for the 2008 GOP nomination for the PA seat.  Castor is an unknown in NE Philly and the pro-choicers will diminish him badly in Montco.

Unknown in NE Philly? He's on the news almost every week. And what's this about the 2008 GOP nomination for the PA seat?

You really underestimate his power with Montco Republicans. Excite them and the Dems have a problem. Castor can do that.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2005, 07:39:09 PM


Ok, so he has nothing to lose.  Well eventually people may get tired of him constantly running for an office while he's elected.  This will defintiely weaken him plus the fact Schwartz has an incredible war chest and an army of volunteers.  Would Castor take time off his campaign merely to distract the Dems from PA 6 and 8?  I doubt it.

Constantly running? The only other office he ran for was AG. Him running for Congress won't weaken him. The war chest is obviously against him but the name helps.

And his run wouldn't just be to distract the Dems, Flyers. He can win and he obviously scares the PA 13 Dems. Taubenberger doesn't. McColgan doesn't. Matthews doesn't. Castor does.

The demographics and national party approval is not in your favor.  It would be foolish for him to run.  He is better just sitting in Montco as DA and running for the 2008 GOP nomination for the PA seat.  Castor is an unknown in NE Philly and the pro-choicers will diminish him badly in Montco.

Unknown in NE Philly? He's on the news almost every week. And what's this about the 2008 GOP nomination for the PA seat?

You really underestimate his power with Montco Republicans. Excite them and the Dems have a problem. Castor can do that.

Castor is big among the party leaders but the rest of the county doesn't agree with him on social issues.  Do you seriously think he's going to win Jenkintown, Abington, Upper Dublin, and Willow Grove?  Schwartz coudl massacre him there on social issues alone.  I actually see numerous pro-choice bumper stickers driving up Old York Rd.  You need Southeastern Montco to win the election plain and simple.  Let's also not forget the 23 points Schwartz won with out of NE Philly.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 07:41:33 PM


Castor is big among the party leaders but the rest of the county doesn't agree with him on social issues.  Do you seriously think he's going to win Jenkintown, Abington, Upper Dublin, and Willow Grove?  Schwartz coudl massacre him there on social issues alone.  I actually see numerous pro-choice bumper stickers driving up Old York Rd.  You need Southeastern Montco to win the election plain and simple.  Let's also not forget the 23 points Schwartz won with out of NE Philly.

Doesn't agree with him on social issues? Ok. You need to stop thinking that these races are won the issues alone. A lot of this is based on name and making yourself visible. Castor is well known and well liked among the people you need in Montco. And the twenty three point with by Schwartz is Philly - Presidential election straight Dem voting! You won't get those numbers in 2006. I don't care if Eddie is running. He can't make the turnout even close to '04 level!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2005, 07:48:11 PM


Castor is big among the party leaders but the rest of the county doesn't agree with him on social issues.  Do you seriously think he's going to win Jenkintown, Abington, Upper Dublin, and Willow Grove?  Schwartz coudl massacre him there on social issues alone.  I actually see numerous pro-choice bumper stickers driving up Old York Rd.  You need Southeastern Montco to win the election plain and simple.  Let's also not forget the 23 points Schwartz won with out of NE Philly.

Doesn't agree with him on social issues? Ok. You need to stop thinking that these races are won the issues alone. A lot of this is based on name and making yourself visible. Castor is well known and well liked among the people you need in Montco. And the twenty three point with by Schwartz is Philly - Presidential election straight Dem voting! You won't get those numbers in 2006. I don't care if Eddie is running. He can't make the turnout even close to '04 level!

And you don't think I was even a wee bit scared when Brown was whipping out Section 8 left and right here?  She had that issue down pat and you know it.  You also know that it was a hot button issue she could have went to the bank with.  Why didn't she in 2002?  The GOP at large was on fire then moreso than in 2006.  What makes you think 2006 will be better for you despite the fact that your party is stinking by the day?  I'll admit Castor is more established than Brown, but still you guys have to move Mt. Everest to win here at this point.

Anyway, were fighting over someone who hasn't yet declared.  Maybe we should wait until he's official. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 05, 2005, 07:55:54 PM


And you don't think I was even a wee bit scared when Brown was whipping out Section 8 left and right here?  She had that issue down pat and you know it.  You also know that it was a hot button issue she could have went to the bank with.  Why didn't she in 2002?  The GOP at large was on fire then moreso than in 2006.  What makes you think 2006 will be better for you despite the fact that your party is stinking by the day?  I'll admit Castor is more established than Brown, but still you guys have to move Mt. Everest to win here at this point.

She wasn't hitting it in 2004. Plus, someone like Castor doesn't need to the issues that much to win. And if you think someone as popular as Castor with the Montco GOP and public of Montco needs to move Mt. Everest to win, you're politically naive.

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Anyway, were fighting over someone who hasn't yet declared.  Maybe we should wait until he's official. 

How can you say that? As long we have a PA 13 fight, it's ok! It's fun to speculate this earlier  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 06, 2005, 01:53:21 AM


And you don't think I was even a wee bit scared when Brown was whipping out Section 8 left and right here?  She had that issue down pat and you know it.  You also know that it was a hot button issue she could have went to the bank with.  Why didn't she in 2002?  The GOP at large was on fire then moreso than in 2006.  What makes you think 2006 will be better for you despite the fact that your party is stinking by the day?  I'll admit Castor is more established than Brown, but still you guys have to move Mt. Everest to win here at this point.

She wasn't hitting it in 2004. Plus, someone like Castor doesn't need to the issues that much to win. And if you think someone as popular as Castor with the Montco GOP and public of Montco needs to move Mt. Everest to win, you're politically naive.

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Anyway, were fighting over someone who hasn't yet declared.  Maybe we should wait until he's official. 

How can you say that? As long we have a PA 13 fight, it's ok! It's fun to speculate this earlier  :)

With Castor as the GOP nominee, we have a fight, but it's not official yet.  Sure speculation is fun, but I am going to give an early speculation and say Al Taubenberger will be your nominee unless Ellen Bard decides to run again.  I doubt that as well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 06, 2005, 05:01:00 PM


And you don't think I was even a wee bit scared when Brown was whipping out Section 8 left and right here?  She had that issue down pat and you know it.  You also know that it was a hot button issue she could have went to the bank with.  Why didn't she in 2002?  The GOP at large was on fire then moreso than in 2006.  What makes you think 2006 will be better for you despite the fact that your party is stinking by the day?  I'll admit Castor is more established than Brown, but still you guys have to move Mt. Everest to win here at this point.

She wasn't hitting it in 2004. Plus, someone like Castor doesn't need to the issues that much to win. And if you think someone as popular as Castor with the Montco GOP and public of Montco needs to move Mt. Everest to win, you're politically naive.

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Anyway, were fighting over someone who hasn't yet declared.  Maybe we should wait until he's official. 

How can you say that? As long we have a PA 13 fight, it's ok! It's fun to speculate this earlier  :)

With Castor as the GOP nominee, we have a fight, but it's not official yet.  Sure speculation is fun, but I am going to give an early speculation and say Al Taubenberger will be your nominee unless Ellen Bard decides to run again.  I doubt that as well.

Bard won't run. Taubenberger is the favorite but he has a history of bad luck. The party isn't thrilled with him. They'll keep going after Castor.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 07, 2005, 03:45:36 AM
Let's sing a song.  HIT IT!

This is the thread that doesn't end and it goes on and on my friends, some people started singing it not knowing what it was and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...  This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2006 not knowing a Castor run and Schwartz will call on Emily so he'll be a goner soon. .. This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2008 my friend someone tell me if Al will run again or maybe ol' Toothless John this will be the same my friend... This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2010 my friend oh maybe Allyson will be our next Senator but good 'ol Phil will say Pat Toomey and who knows who will be running for good old PA 13???????  Josh Shapiro?  Christian Marrone?  And who knows if PA 13 will be here in 2012?  Then this thread ..... may ........END!!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 07, 2005, 05:35:13 AM
Let's sing a song.  HIT IT!

This is the thread that doesn't end and it goes on and on my friends, some people started singing it not knowing what it was and BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH...  This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2006 not knowing a Castor run and Schwartz will call on Emily so he'll be a goner soon. .. This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2008 my friend someone tell me if Al will run again or maybe ol' Toothless John this will be the same my friend... This is the thread that doesn't end and we got 2010 my friend oh maybe Allyson will be our next Senator but good 'ol Phil will say Pat Toomey and who knows who will be running for good old PA 13???????  Josh Shapiro?  Christian Marrone?  And who knows if PA 13 will be here in 2012?  Then this thread ..... may ........END!!!!!!

I love how you think Emily's List controls everything here.

If Schwartz wins re-election in 2006 and 2008, then we will have an open seat in 2010. I have no idea who the GOP will run. For the Dems, well, Hoeffel may try a comeback since he has nothing else going for him. Then again, like you said, this district might not even survive re-districting. My best is that it won't.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: josephjdefelice on September 07, 2005, 07:44:49 AM
Guys, I think the GOP is nominating someone else, ie not Al or Bruce.  So dont get your hopes up or down about that one.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 07, 2005, 01:01:21 PM
Guys, I think the GOP is nominating someone else, ie not Al or Bruce.  So dont get your hopes up or down about that one.
Bruce is the only one that makes me nervous somewhat.  Otherwise I think this seat is safe Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 07, 2005, 05:05:20 PM
Guys, I think the GOP is nominating someone else, ie not Al or Bruce.  So dont get your hopes up or down about that one.

My hopes aren't that far up. I understand that Castor isn't on the brink of announcing a run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 08, 2005, 04:12:31 AM
Guys, I think the GOP is nominating someone else, ie not Al or Bruce.  So dont get your hopes up or down about that one.

My hopes aren't that far up. I understand that Castor isn't on the brink of announcing a run.

Well we're #5 on the entire Atlas Forum.  We are now looking at 15 months since this thread started.  Joe, this is the official NE Philly "venting" thread as well on here as well so feel free to post!  NORTHEAST PHILLY IN DA HOUSE!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 21, 2005, 10:13:00 PM
Some celebrity fun in PA 13 - http://politicspa.com/BallotBox.htm


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: josephjdefelice on September 22, 2005, 08:04:46 AM
i told you the GOP had someone else, just waiting for him to make the call...this should be interesting, if you would like to volunteer let me know.  Flyers I expect to  hear from you shortly.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 22, 2005, 04:23:30 PM
Very, very interesting. I guess he's serious.


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html


Well, if Castor doesn't run, I guess this is who I'm backing. PA 13 to Schwartz - "You're Fired!" Hey, atleast it will be a fun race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 23, 2005, 01:23:16 AM
Very, very interesting. I guess he's serious.


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html)


Well, if Castor doesn't run, I guess this is who I'm backing. PA 13 to Schwartz - "You're Fired!" Hey, atleast it will be a fun race.

Sounds interesting to say the least.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Max Power on September 23, 2005, 09:03:37 PM
Very, very interesting. I guess he's serious.


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html)


Well, if Castor doesn't run, I guess this is who I'm backing. PA 13 to Schwartz - "You're Fired!" Hey, atleast it will be a fun race.

Sounds interesting to say the least.
And to say the most, he doesn't stand a chance.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on September 24, 2005, 02:30:31 AM
Very, very interesting. I guess he's serious.


http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09212005-544356.html)


Well, if Castor doesn't run, I guess this is who I'm backing. PA 13 to Schwartz - "You're Fired!" Hey, atleast it will be a fun race.

Sounds interesting to say the least.
And to say the most, he doesn't stand a chance.

Wow, I never Raj and I lived in the same town.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2005, 05:43:18 PM
From "GOOD NEWS"




I know you're not maxed out up here.  Like I said one of the Irishmen would tighten the NE, possibly win.  We also didn't have our A-game with Schwartz either.  I have talked to 5 Brown voters since the election who would have voted for Joe Torsella.  Schwartz now has the advantages Torsella had in 2004 due to incumbency, anti-Bush/Santorum sentiment, and the fact Schwartz is delivering for this area quite well.  All a good GOP candidate does here is distract us from PA 6 and PA 8, which you best better not be so cocky about if I were you.   

1) Schwartz did have her A-game in 2004 in the NE.

2) GOP candidate doesn't just distract from PA 6 and PA 8. You don't have this district locked up if we have Castor run, that's for sure. Will he run? Well, it's unlikely. But even without him, you're not a lock here. You wouldn't be a lock against someone like O'Brien or Taylor. Is PA 13 a favorable district for the Dems now? Yes. That's obvious. But as long as we can break 40% here, we're not finished.

3) Being cocky about what? PA 6 and PA 8? We're going to win both seats. I'm only alittle worried about PA 6 and we'll still win there. Last time, Murphy had pretty much everything in her favor. This time it's Gerlach who will benefit.



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2005, 06:21:23 PM
From "GOOD NEWS"




I know you're not maxed out up here.  Like I said one of the Irishmen would tighten the NE, possibly win.  We also didn't have our A-game with Schwartz either.  I have talked to 5 Brown voters since the election who would have voted for Joe Torsella.  Schwartz now has the advantages Torsella had in 2004 due to incumbency, anti-Bush/Santorum sentiment, and the fact Schwartz is delivering for this area quite well.  All a good GOP candidate does here is distract us from PA 6 and PA 8, which you best better not be so cocky about if I were you.   

1) Schwartz did have her A-game in 2004 in the NE.

2) GOP candidate doesn't just distract from PA 6 and PA 8. You don't have this district locked up if we have Castor run, that's for sure. Will he run? Well, it's unlikely. But even without him, you're not a lock here. You wouldn't be a lock against someone like O'Brien or Taylor. Is PA 13 a favorable district for the Dems now? Yes. That's obvious. But as long as we can break 40% here, we're not finished.

3) Being cocky about what? PA 6 and PA 8? We're going to win both seats. I'm only alittle worried about PA 6 and we'll still win there. Last time, Murphy had pretty much everything in her favor. This time it's Gerlach who will benefit.



Like I said in the past Schwartz had a good game, but just not the best candidate.  If we had say a Pat Leahy, Tom Daschle, Evan Bayh, or Bob Casey clone, NE Philly would be a lock for the Dems.  The only way you guys will break 40% next election in PA 13 is with Castor, Taylor, or O'Brien and I'd give Castor 47% at best. 

Oh, I love your cockiness on PA 6 and 8.  Seriously I really do.  Do you honestly think Bucks County is Melissa Hart/Rick Santorum country?  Fitz is very out of touch on social issues there and even among lower Bucks populist labor Dems, he is vulnerable on CAFTA.  We have a VERY good shot there.  If the Democrats have half an organization there, we win plain and simple.  Problem is our ground game is terrible there and 9/11 hurt us there more than any Philly suburan county.  Bucks will inevitably be ours eventually.  We can and will likely focus a lot of resources on PA 8 because the NE Corridor Dems trends come from the Presidential level down.  We already have step 1 completed!       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2005, 06:24:12 PM


Like I said in the past Schwartz had a good game, but just not the best candidate.  If we had say a Pat Leahy, Tom Daschle, Evan Bayh, or Bob Casey clone, NE Philly would be a lock for the Dems.  The only way you guys will break 40% next election in PA 13 is with Castor, Taylor, or O'Brien and I'd give Castor 47% at best.

I think that if we nominate Taubenberger, we'll do alright in the NE and crack 40% just because he'll be saying "I'm a Philly guy!" the whole time. He'll be creamed in Montco though (sorry for stating the obvious).

 

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Oh, I love your cockiness on PA 6 and 8.  Seriously I really do.  Do you honestly think Bucks County is Melissa Hart/Rick Santorum country?  Fitz is very out of touch on social issues there and even among lower Bucks populist labor Dems, he is vulnerable on CAFTA.  We have a VERY good shot there.  If the Democrats have half an organization there, we win plain and simple.  Problem is our ground game is terrible there and 9/11 hurt us there more than any Philly suburan county.  Bucks will inevitably be ours eventually.  We can and will likely focus a lot of resources on PA 8 because the NE Corridor Dems trends come from the Presidential level down.  We already have step 1 completed!       

Is Bucks Hart/Santorum country? Uh...no. Never said that. That doesn't mean Fitz can't win.

You don't have a very good shot there. The best you have is crybaby Warren only because he's known out there and you'll still lose.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2005, 06:48:17 PM


Like I said in the past Schwartz had a good game, but just not the best candidate.  If we had say a Pat Leahy, Tom Daschle, Evan Bayh, or Bob Casey clone, NE Philly would be a lock for the Dems.  The only way you guys will break 40% next election in PA 13 is with Castor, Taylor, or O'Brien and I'd give Castor 47% at best.

I think that if we nominate Taubenberger, we'll do alright in the NE and crack 40% just because he'll be saying "I'm a Philly guy!" the whole time. He'll be creamed in Montco though (sorry for stating the obvious).

 

Really sucks how people can get roped into that rhetoric.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2005, 06:51:17 PM


Really sucks how people can get roped into that rhetoric.

Atleast you admit to it happening. I don't even think Taubenberger would pay attention to Montco. McDermott would be off the ballot and would pickup that 2%, bring out more Pro Lifers, scream about how he's a NE guy and that'll be that. I think he just wants to win or come close to winning in the NE so he can become a more well known figure.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2005, 07:07:21 PM


Really sucks how people can get roped into that rhetoric.

Atleast you admit to it happening. I don't even think Taubenberger would pay attention to Montco. McDermott would be off the ballot and would pickup that 2%, bring out more Pro Lifers, scream about how he's a NE guy and that'll be that. I think he just wants to win or come close to winning in the NE so he can become a more well known figure.

I still don't think Taubenberger would win the NE either, but would tighten it due to the pro-life thing.  I only see him winning Fox Chase and possibly Mayfair.  He would lose by 15-17 in the NE and about 20-25 in Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2005, 07:12:56 PM


Really sucks how people can get roped into that rhetoric.

Atleast you admit to it happening. I don't even think Taubenberger would pay attention to Montco. McDermott would be off the ballot and would pickup that 2%, bring out more Pro Lifers, scream about how he's a NE guy and that'll be that. I think he just wants to win or come close to winning in the NE so he can become a more well known figure.

I still don't think Taubenberger would win the NE either, but would tighten it due to the pro-life thing.  I only see him winning Fox Chase and possibly Mayfair.  He would lose by 15-17 in the NE and about 20-25 in Montco.

Yeah, he'd still lose the NE but I'd say by about ten points. It would really be 2004 all over again except the county margins flip (except Schwartz would do alittle better).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2005, 08:05:03 PM


Really sucks how people can get roped into that rhetoric.

Atleast you admit to it happening. I don't even think Taubenberger would pay attention to Montco. McDermott would be off the ballot and would pickup that 2%, bring out more Pro Lifers, scream about how he's a NE guy and that'll be that. I think he just wants to win or come close to winning in the NE so he can become a more well known figure.

I still don't think Taubenberger would win the NE either, but would tighten it due to the pro-life thing.  I only see him winning Fox Chase and possibly Mayfair.  He would lose by 15-17 in the NE and about 20-25 in Montco.

Yeah, he'd still lose the NE but I'd say by about ten points. It would really be 2004 all over again except the county margins flip (except Schwartz would do alittle better).

Well, in a truncated sense, yeah the county margins would flip, but Schwartz would do better overall.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2005, 10:26:14 PM


Well, in a truncated sense, yeah the county margins would flip, but Schwartz would do better overall.

I meant that the margin of victory from each would look the same but flipped with Schwartz doing a bit better than last year.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 29, 2005, 02:10:18 PM
He hopes voters will say
‘you’re hired’ in ’06

By Tom Waring
Times Staff Writer

A former reality television star appears to be emerging as the top Republican challenger to U.S. Rep. Allyson Schwartz.
Raj Bhakta, who appeared on NBC’s The Apprentice 2, is seeking backing to run next year against the freshman Democrat in the 13th Congressional District.
"I’ve always had an interest in public office," he said.
Many Republicans were hoping that Montgomery County District Attorney Bruce Castor would run, but he decided against making a bid.
Besides Bhakta, others seeking the party nod are Greater Northeast Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce president Al Taubenberger and attorney Marina Kats.
Bhakta, a 29-year-old Blue Bell native who lives in Fort Washington, has already met with party bosses Vito Canuso of the Republican City Committee and Ken Davis of the Montgomery County Republican Committee. Last week, he traveled to Washington, D.C., to speak with officials of the National Republican Congressional Committee.
The Republican hopeful knows he’ll have to raise a lot of money to contend with the well-funded Schwartz.
"This is a very, very expensive race," he said.
Schwartz was elected in 2004, beating Republican Melissa Brown 56 percent to 41 percent in a four-way race in a district that includes urban, suburban and rural areas.
Bhakta, who describes himself as a fiscal conservative and social moderate, hopes to do well in heavily Republican areas of western Montgomery County and to hold on to the party base in the eastern part of the county, which is trending Democratic.
The candidate sees the Northeast as a key to the election. He has ties to the area, having worked at his father’s car dealership in Mayfair. He also has relatives who have lived in the Northeast.
"It’s Democratic by registration, but it can go Republican," he said.
On Apprentice, Bhakta was a colorful character, usually wearing a bow tie. After being fired by Donald Trump, he asked Robin, the wealthy businessman’s receptionist, for her phone number.
Bhakta, who’ll consider asking Trump and his other Apprentice pals for help in the campaign, said he’s wanted to run for office since he was 5 years old.
The son of an Indian father and an Irish-Catholic mother who was born in England, he loves the United States. In fact, he engaged in a fistfight in third grade with a classmate who had just moved from Canada who claimed that the Soviet Union could defeat our nation in a war.
Today, Bhakta is managing partner for a real estate company and president of a firm that offers technology solutions for car companies.
Bhakta said he’s thoughtful, passionate and knowledgeable on issues, cares about the long-term interests of the country and will listen to what’s on the minds of voters.
His views on immigration, tort reform, campaign finance reform, Social Security and other issues can be found at www.advancerepublic.org
Canuso, head of the Philadelphia GOP, said a search committee will endorse a congressional candidate sometime after the Nov. 8 election. He believes Bhakta is a strong contender.
"It’s too early to tell, but I think he has a good shot at it," he said.
Taubenberger, who lost the primary in 2002 and ’04, said he will run only if he gets the party endorsement. He calls himself a loyal Republican who stumped hard for Brown in the general election. He’s fared respectably in both races despite having little money and would like the chance to run a campaign with party funding.
A conservative, Taubenberger thinks he’d be a better contrast to Schwartz than the more moderate Bhakta and Kats.
"There’s a great deal of difference between me and the incumbent," he said.
Kats, who was born in Ukraine, had been considering a run in the 174th Legislative District. A special election will be held next year if eight-term Democratic Rep. Alan Butkovitz is elected city controller this fall.
Now, Kats — who has homes in the Northeast and Montgomery County — is focusing on the congressional race.
Besides her law practice, she serves as president of the local Russian-American Chamber of Commerce. Proud of not being a career politician, she wants to serve in Congress because she loves the United States and the freedom it offers.
"I’ll put my heart and soul into the job," she said. "I’ll work very, very, very hard." ••


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 29, 2005, 02:27:26 PM
Ehh, I still think the GOP nominee will be Al Taubenberger.  Two unknown social moderates will not come out of the primary. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 29, 2005, 02:53:56 PM
Ehh, I still think the GOP nominee will be Al Taubenberger.  Two unknown social moderates will not come out of the primary. 

I don't think Raj is that far from Brown. She was able to beat Taubenberger. Also, Bard was a social liberal and still beat Taubenberger.

I've never heard of this Kats lady.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 30, 2005, 01:37:49 AM
Ehh, I still think the GOP nominee will be Al Taubenberger.  Two unknown social moderates will not come out of the primary. 

I don't think Raj is that far from Brown. She was able to beat Taubenberger. Also, Bard was a social liberal and still beat Taubenberger.

I've never heard of this Kats lady.

Bard and Brown were able to do better because they were established pols, while Taubenberger was not.  It's likely the social moderates will split hence giving Tauben
                                   berger the GOP nod.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 30, 2005, 02:03:25 PM
Ehh, I still think the GOP nominee will be Al Taubenberger.  Two unknown social moderates will not come out of the primary. 

I don't think Raj is that far from Brown. She was able to beat Taubenberger. Also, Bard was a social liberal and still beat Taubenberger.

I've never heard of this Kats lady.

Bard and Brown were able to do better because they were established pols, while Taubenberger was not.  It's likely the social moderates will split hence giving Tauben
                                   berger the GOP nod.

Taubenberger had political connections, Flyers. I know you're hoping for a Taubenberger nomination but if the Philly and Montco parties get behind someone else (as they did last time), Al is screwed...again.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 01, 2005, 04:11:02 AM
Ehh, I still think the GOP nominee will be Al Taubenberger.  Two unknown social moderates will not come out of the primary. 

I don't think Raj is that far from Brown. She was able to beat Taubenberger. Also, Bard was a social liberal and still beat Taubenberger.

I've never heard of this Kats lady.

Bard and Brown were able to do better because they were established pols, while Taubenberger was not.  It's likely the social moderates will split hence giving Tauben
                                   berger the GOP nod.

Taubenberger had political connections, Flyers. I know you're hoping for a Taubenberger nomination but if the Philly and Montco parties get behind someone else (as they did last time), Al is screwed...again.

Well, let's wait and see.  Taubenberger is a tempting nominee for you guys because you will indeed get a lot of pro-life voters in NE Philly.  The one thing GOP voters value more is someone who is established, older, conservative and experienced.  Raj comes off as a playboy and I really know little about this Kats woman except I think she's a Ukranian immigrant or her parents were.  In other words Taubenberger comes off as white middle America while the other two well let's just say have too much "exotic" roots so to speak.  Not to say someone without Anglo or middle immigrant (Irish, Italian, Jewish, East European, etc.) roots can't win a GOP nod (see Bobby Jindal), but it doesn't seem likely.  As of now I think Taubenberger is your guy.  Sure Raj and Kats would cut into Montco margins a bit in a general, which gives us a closer race, but Taubenberger has been around and is known.  My predicition for a GOP primary:

Al Taubenberger: 53% (solid in NE Philly with showing in Montco)
Raj Bhatka: 31% (does well in Montco.  Irish roots give him some showing in NE)
Marina Kats: 16% (does well with NE Philly Eastern European communities)       


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2005, 09:30:19 AM

Well, let's wait and see.  Taubenberger is a tempting nominee for you guys because you will indeed get a lot of pro-life voters in NE Philly.  The one thing GOP voters value more is someone who is established, older, conservative and experienced.  Raj comes off as a playboy and I really know little about this Kats woman except I think she's a Ukranian immigrant or her parents were.  In other words Taubenberger comes off as white middle America while the other two well let's just say have too much "exotic" roots so to speak.  Not to say someone without Anglo or middle immigrant (Irish, Italian, Jewish, East European, etc.) roots can't win a GOP nod (see Bobby Jindal), but it doesn't seem likely.  As of now I think Taubenberger is your guy.  Sure Raj and Kats would cut into Montco margins a bit in a general, which gives us a closer race, but Taubenberger has been around and is known.  My predicition for a GOP primary:

Al Taubenberger: 53% (solid in NE Philly with showing in Montco)
Raj Bhatka: 31% (does well in Montco.  Irish roots give him some showing in NE)
Marina Kats: 16% (does well with NE Philly Eastern European communities)       

I pretty much agree with what you're saying. I'm not saying that Taubenberger is the frontrunner right now. It's just that I think Raj can pull off a win and even if he doesn't, Taubenberger is not getting over 50%.

Taubenberger has a strong showing in the NE but if the establishment sees Raj as an attractive candidate who can bring some attention to the race then they may get behind him and pull some support away from Al. Montco is going for Raj. As for Kats, I don't see her staying in the race very long but if she does she'll pull some support from the communities you mentioned and some support in Montco. The problem for her is that it's hard to find Republicans in those communities.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 01, 2005, 09:57:26 PM

Well, let's wait and see.  Taubenberger is a tempting nominee for you guys because you will indeed get a lot of pro-life voters in NE Philly.  The one thing GOP voters value more is someone who is established, older, conservative and experienced.  Raj comes off as a playboy and I really know little about this Kats woman except I think she's a Ukranian immigrant or her parents were.  In other words Taubenberger comes off as white middle America while the other two well let's just say have too much "exotic" roots so to speak.  Not to say someone without Anglo or middle immigrant (Irish, Italian, Jewish, East European, etc.) roots can't win a GOP nod (see Bobby Jindal), but it doesn't seem likely.  As of now I think Taubenberger is your guy.  Sure Raj and Kats would cut into Montco margins a bit in a general, which gives us a closer race, but Taubenberger has been around and is known.  My predicition for a GOP primary:

Al Taubenberger: 53% (solid in NE Philly with showing in Montco)
Raj Bhatka: 31% (does well in Montco.  Irish roots give him some showing in NE)
Marina Kats: 16% (does well with NE Philly Eastern European communities)       

I pretty much agree with what you're saying. I'm not saying that Taubenberger is the frontrunner right now. It's just that I think Raj can pull off a win and even if he doesn't, Taubenberger is not getting over 50%.

Taubenberger has a strong showing in the NE but if the establishment sees Raj as an attractive candidate who can bring some attention to the race then they may get behind him and pull some support away from Al. Montco is going for Raj. As for Kats, I don't see her staying in the race very long but if she does she'll pull some support from the communities you mentioned and some support in Montco. The problem for her is that it's hard to find Republicans in those communities.

Raj largely depends on the GOP establishment and who they're backing.  Sure he's a supposed charmer, but could also come off as a playboy among core GOP voters.  He also seems like "daddy's little rich boy" which could bite him quite hard in NE Philly and you and I both know O'Brien-Taylor voting Repubs are a bit populist and socially conservative.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2005, 11:38:04 PM

Raj largely depends on the GOP establishment and who they're backing.  Sure he's a supposed charmer, but could also come off as a playboy among core GOP voters.  He also seems like "daddy's little rich boy" which could bite him quite hard in NE Philly and you and I both know O'Brien-Taylor voting Repubs are a bit populist and socially conservative.

And the establishment might back him. With Raj, they know it will atleast be interesting and get some attention while we don't get much at all with Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2005, 12:15:37 PM

Raj largely depends on the GOP establishment and who they're backing.  Sure he's a supposed charmer, but could also come off as a playboy among core GOP voters.  He also seems like "daddy's little rich boy" which could bite him quite hard in NE Philly and you and I both know O'Brien-Taylor voting Repubs are a bit populist and socially conservative.

And the establishment might back him. With Raj, they know it will atleast be interesting and get some attention while we don't get much at all with Taubenberger.

You raise a good point there.  Raj definitely has more entertainment value and the GOP could see that in a potential race.  However, Taubenberger comes off more like your average NE Philadelphia white male hence that could have some value as well.  I think Marina Kats will drop out.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2005, 12:30:24 PM

Raj largely depends on the GOP establishment and who they're backing.  Sure he's a supposed charmer, but could also come off as a playboy among core GOP voters.  He also seems like "daddy's little rich boy" which could bite him quite hard in NE Philly and you and I both know O'Brien-Taylor voting Repubs are a bit populist and socially conservative.

And the establishment might back him. With Raj, they know it will atleast be interesting and get some attention while we don't get much at all with Taubenberger.

You raise a good point there.  Raj definitely has more entertainment value and the GOP could see that in a potential race.  However, Taubenberger comes off more like your average NE Philadelphia white male hence that could have some value as well.  I think Marina Kats will drop out.

Well atleast we can agree on Kats dropping out. Another name is Joe McColgan. He said that if the Republican nominee of '04 lost to whoever the Dems nominated, he'd be a candidate (He made these comments during the primary). Taubenberger vs. McColgan would be a split in the conservative vote. While Taubenberger would still likely win the group, he can't afford a split. I know that if Raj turns out to be someone I can't support in the primary, I'd go with McColgan. Taubenberger would need voters like me.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2005, 03:08:16 PM
I doubt McColgan's going to run.  I think he'd endorse Al Taubenberger.   Taubenberger is immensely popular in Fox Chase and among the relatively few conservatives in Rhawnhurst.  However he is little known elsewhere.  I know Melissa Brown won Mayfair and parts of John Taylor's district, but that was due to Section 8.  In those areas, voters who are Republican are also that because of abortion.  I think Taubenberger if he got some party support would get those voters.  Thing is the GOP numbers are not in those areas and many residents are simply moderate-conservative Democrats.  This is where you may be onto something with Raj and Montco.  Look, no two Democrats are the same and no two Republicans are either.  Raj would appeal to those more socially liberal Republicans.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2005, 04:05:48 PM
I doubt McColgan's going to run.  I think he'd endorse Al Taubenberger.   Taubenberger is immensely popular in Fox Chase and among the relatively few conservatives in Rhawnhurst.  However he is little known elsewhere.  I know Melissa Brown won Mayfair and parts of John Taylor's district, but that was due to Section 8.  In those areas, voters who are Republican are also that because of abortion.  I think Taubenberger if he got some party support would get those voters.  Thing is the GOP numbers are not in those areas and many residents are simply moderate-conservative Democrats.  This is where you may be onto something with Raj and Montco.  Look, no two Democrats are the same and no two Republicans are either.  Raj would appeal to those more socially liberal Republicans.   

Why would McColgan not run after saying he will run if the Dems win? Why would he endorse Taubenberger in 2006 but not 2004?

As for Raj, we have yet to see many of his views on social issues. He's more moderate but don't rule him out when it comes winning over conservative voters.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 02, 2005, 04:30:28 PM
I doubt McColgan's going to run.  I think he'd endorse Al Taubenberger.   Taubenberger is immensely popular in Fox Chase and among the relatively few conservatives in Rhawnhurst.  However he is little known elsewhere.  I know Melissa Brown won Mayfair and parts of John Taylor's district, but that was due to Section 8.  In those areas, voters who are Republican are also that because of abortion.  I think Taubenberger if he got some party support would get those voters.  Thing is the GOP numbers are not in those areas and many residents are simply moderate-conservative Democrats.  This is where you may be onto something with Raj and Montco.  Look, no two Democrats are the same and no two Republicans are either.  Raj would appeal to those more socially liberal Republicans.   

Why would McColgan not run after saying he will run if the Dems win? Why would he endorse Taubenberger in 2006 but not 2004?

As for Raj, we have yet to see many of his views on social issues. He's more moderate but don't rule him out when it comes winning over conservative voters.

The heart of conservative Northeast Philadelphia is Fox Chase.  This is preceisely where Taubenberger's popular.  You also have to realize that Taubenberger is a fresher name to more people than McColgan.  Despite Taubenberger, McColgan, or Raj, none of them have a chance at beating Schwartz and EMILY's List can concentrate more on Lois Murphy.  Only Bruce Castor or possibly Dennis O'Brien or John Taylor would scare me.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 02, 2005, 04:34:52 PM
I doubt McColgan's going to run.  I think he'd endorse Al Taubenberger.   Taubenberger is immensely popular in Fox Chase and among the relatively few conservatives in Rhawnhurst.  However he is little known elsewhere.  I know Melissa Brown won Mayfair and parts of John Taylor's district, but that was due to Section 8.  In those areas, voters who are Republican are also that because of abortion.  I think Taubenberger if he got some party support would get those voters.  Thing is the GOP numbers are not in those areas and many residents are simply moderate-conservative Democrats.  This is where you may be onto something with Raj and Montco.  Look, no two Democrats are the same and no two Republicans are either.  Raj would appeal to those more socially liberal Republicans.   

Why would McColgan not run after saying he will run if the Dems win? Why would he endorse Taubenberger in 2006 but not 2004?

As for Raj, we have yet to see many of his views on social issues. He's more moderate but don't rule him out when it comes winning over conservative voters.

The heart of conservative Northeast Philadelphia is Fox Chase.  This is preceisely where Taubenberger's popular.  You also have to realize that Taubenberger is a fresher name to more people than McColgan.  Despite Taubenberger, McColgan, or Raj, none of them have a chance at beating Schwartz and EMILY's List can concentrate more on Lois Murphy.  Only Bruce Castor or possibly Dennis O'Brien or John Taylor would scare me.     

If Raj can run a primary campaign similar to that of Brown's, Taubenberger doesn't have the NE wrapped up. You also stress the conservativism in Fox Chase way too much. Would Taubenberger win the NE? Most likely. You have to remember though that he's not all that strong and there is still Montco where he wouldn't be able to match Raj.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on October 05, 2005, 02:58:07 PM
Here's Raj's political website:

http://www.advancerepublic.org/


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on October 08, 2005, 09:11:38 PM
Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 08, 2005, 09:33:12 PM
Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)

Haha, you seen what happened when a moderate Republican ran against what (not sure if it was you or Phil) thought was running against "The Barbara Boxer of the East Coast" in Allyson Schwartz.  If we nominated Joe Torsella, Melissa Brown would have got trounced.  I know 5 Brown/Bush voters personally who would have voted for Joe Torsella over Melissa Brown had he won.  I think the Dem nominee by 2010 will be Josh Shapiro. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 08, 2005, 11:58:27 PM
Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)

Yes, watching her lose the Senate race will be some good stuff. The great news is that we only have to deal with her until 2010 (at the latest).

And again, Flyers, take it from two people that witnessed the ridiculous campaign structure for Brown in 2004 - Your candidate did not win because she was closer to the district politically. She won based on lies and a weak team for her opponent.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on October 09, 2005, 11:20:57 PM
I think the Dem nominee by 2010 will be Josh Shapiro. 

I agree, he's already making quite a name for himself in Harrisburg.  I could also see him possibly trying a Governor run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2005, 01:48:42 AM
Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)

Yes, watching her lose the Senate race will be some good stuff. The great news is that we only have to deal with her until 2010 (at the latest).

And again, Flyers, take it from two people that witnessed the ridiculous campaign structure for Brown in 2004 - Your candidate did not win because she was closer to the district politically. She won based on lies and a weak team for her opponent.

Ok, Phil the Almighty.  We are a conservative district cause Phil said so ergo we are a conservative district. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on October 10, 2005, 03:16:05 PM
He never said that we live in a conservative district. 13 is quite moderate. He did say that Schwartz did not win because the voters agree with her liberal politics. They voted for her because the Brown campaign had poor managment (for whatever reason). Brown should have won this one, all the professional pundits were saying so before the election. She just had a poor campaign. Yes, a campaign that I am very proud to say that I was part of. (I just didnt have any decision making responsibilities).  Our district does not agree with Schwartz and if you really thought it did, you wouldnt be scared of O'Brien or Taylor as you said you were.

Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)

Yes, watching her lose the Senate race will be some good stuff. The great news is that we only have to deal with her until 2010 (at the latest).

And again, Flyers, take it from two people that witnessed the ridiculous campaign structure for Brown in 2004 - Your candidate did not win because she was closer to the district politically. She won based on lies and a weak team for her opponent.

Ok, Phil the Almighty.  We are a conservative district cause Phil said so ergo we are a conservative district. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2005, 04:30:09 PM


Ok, Phil the Almighty.  We are a conservative district cause Phil said so ergo we are a conservative district. 

As DMK said, I don't believe I ever said we were conservative. You just have trouble admitting that Schwartz didn't win based on who she really is.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2005, 05:25:43 PM
I merely said an O'Brien or Taylor would scare me, not win.  Schwartz's 23 point victory in NE Philly was unexpected.  Hell, Bob Borski didn't win the portions that overlapped old PA 3 and new PA 13 by that much.  You have to admit this district tilts left-center.  With an O'Brien or Taylor, I know Schwartz would struggle east of Roosevelt Blvd. 

You can't blame everything on a bad campaign.  This was not a district you were meant to have given the circumstances in 2004.  Unless you had an ultra-liberal or Al Sharpton as the nominee, Brown would have probably lost anyway.  Schwartz is not as liberal as you or Phil like to have us believe. 

He never said that we live in a conservative district. 13 is quite moderate. He did say that Schwartz did not win because the voters agree with her liberal politics. They voted for her because the Brown campaign had poor managment (for whatever reason). Brown should have won this one, all the professional pundits were saying so before the election. She just had a poor campaign. Yes, a campaign that I am very proud to say that I was part of. (I just didnt have any decision making responsibilities).  Our district does not agree with Schwartz and if you really thought it did, you wouldnt be scared of O'Brien or Taylor as you said you were.

Lets find a moderate republican who can run when schwartz bails to run for the senate (maybe once she loses the senate she'll go home and leave us alone here in 13?!)

Yes, watching her lose the Senate race will be some good stuff. The great news is that we only have to deal with her until 2010 (at the latest).

And again, Flyers, take it from two people that witnessed the ridiculous campaign structure for Brown in 2004 - Your candidate did not win because she was closer to the district politically. She won based on lies and a weak team for her opponent.

Ok, Phil the Almighty.  We are a conservative district cause Phil said so ergo we are a conservative district. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 10, 2005, 05:35:50 PM
I merely said an O'Brien or Taylor would scare me, not win.  Schwartz's 23 point victory in NE Philly was unexpected.  Hell, Bob Borski didn't win the portions that overlapped old PA 3 and new PA 13 by that much.  You have to admit this district tilts left-center.  With an O'Brien or Taylor, I know Schwartz would struggle east of Roosevelt Blvd. 

You can't blame everything on a bad campaign.  This was not a district you were meant to have given the circumstances in 2004.  Unless you had an ultra-liberal or Al Sharpton as the nominee, Brown would have probably lost anyway.  Schwartz is not as liberal as you or Phil like to have us believe. 


And so isn't that a sign that that was a fluke? You honestly believe Schwartz is more in line with the NE than Borski and Hoeffel?

Don't give me this "Brown was going to lose anyway" stuff either. You admitted you were worried. You knew Schwartz was more out of line with the district than Brown. Don't look back on this and say "Well, yeah. Schwartz is perfect for PA 13!" Brown's campaign was run so poorly it is very embarrassing to even speak of what went on. Believe us, we could tell you some stories. The weak campaign plus the straight Dem voting gave Schwartz that big win, not her ideology.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 10, 2005, 05:49:46 PM
I know Borski and Hoeffel were more in line with the NE than Schwartz, but Schwartz really isn't terribly different.  Economically she is WAAAAY more in line than Brown.  Socially, the choice issue was a wash and many pro-lfie Dems went for Schwartz.  And don't think because neighborhoods are named by parishes that there aren't a lot of pro-choicers or those who are just plain indifferent to the issue.  There is a vocal pro-life constituency here, I'll admit.     


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on October 10, 2005, 07:20:39 PM
economically schwartz is more in line than Brown... is that what you said? did you really say that about Schwartz who voted for over 4 billion dollars in tax increases while in the state senate? Including (but not limited to) taxes on INCOME, CELL PHONES, BIRTH CIRTIFICATES AND YOU GUESSED IT... TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 11, 2005, 02:50:11 AM
economically schwartz is more in line than Brown... is that what you said? did you really say that about Schwartz who voted for over 4 billion dollars in tax increases while in the state senate? Including (but not limited to) taxes on INCOME, CELL PHONES, BIRTH CIRTIFICATES AND YOU GUESSED IT... TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!!

Uhh taxes are a way of life.  Every state charges income taxes.  What do you want 20% sales taxes?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 12, 2005, 10:55:21 AM
economically schwartz is more in line than Brown... is that what you said? did you really say that about Schwartz who voted for over 4 billion dollars in tax increases while in the state senate? Including (but not limited to) taxes on INCOME, CELL PHONES, BIRTH CIRTIFICATES AND YOU GUESSED IT... TOILET PAPER!!!!!!!!

Uhh taxes are a way of life.  Every state charges income taxes.  What do you want 20% sales taxes?

I like how you twist it into "Well we need income taxes." That wasn't the point. Look at how the woman voted and on what taxes would be increased.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 13, 2005, 02:15:05 AM
Ok, neither of you two have taken any economics or federal taxation classes so really you are like the average person that just says "I don't like taxes, I don't want to pay them" without REALLY knowing what they pay for.  I hope the both of you are also aware that your party wants to now tax food, clothing, and other stuff not included in the sales tax before so a few rich people can get lower property taxes.  Are either of you aware of how much that will hurt you and working class Pennsylvanians right now?  And neither of you are aware that members of your own party, a plenty of them voted with Schwartz on the issues brought up.  Taxes are taxes, such as life.

Here's what shouldn't be taken lightly- our budget deficit which is alarmingly high.  Our President along with the GOP Congress is badly mismanging our budget while needlessly giving tax breaks to the wealthy under the guises of "death tax" and reductions on capital gains and dividends.  Do you honestly think you two should be paying the same rate as someone who made a cool million off a capital gain with a stock?  Melissa Brown thinks so, Allyson Schwartz doesn't.  That is one of the reasons I voted for her.  I could give a laundry list of why I voted for Allyson Schwartz and if you have read the never ending book that is this thread you will see why.  Keep thinking these tax cuts somehow help businesses hire more people and pay more money and somehow "trickle down."  As somebody already out of school and know what this economy really is, I know better!  I can confidently say that despite the fact both of you may have more experience than me working with pols or campaigns and whatnot.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 16, 2005, 09:56:42 PM
Ok, neither of you two have taken any economics or federal taxation classes so really you are like the average person that just says "I don't like taxes, I don't want to pay them" without REALLY knowing what they pay for.  I hope the both of you are also aware that your party wants to now tax food, clothing, and other stuff not included in the sales tax before so a few rich people can get lower property taxes.  Are either of you aware of how much that will hurt you and working class Pennsylvanians right now?  And neither of you are aware that members of your own party, a plenty of them voted with Schwartz on the issues brought up.  Taxes are taxes, such as life.

Here's what shouldn't be taken lightly- our budget deficit which is alarmingly high.  Our President along with the GOP Congress is badly mismanging our budget while needlessly giving tax breaks to the wealthy under the guises of "death tax" and reductions on capital gains and dividends.  Do you honestly think you two should be paying the same rate as someone who made a cool million off a capital gain with a stock?  Melissa Brown thinks so, Allyson Schwartz doesn't.  That is one of the reasons I voted for her.  I could give a laundry list of why I voted for Allyson Schwartz and if you have read the never ending book that is this thread you will see why.  Keep thinking these tax cuts somehow help businesses hire more people and pay more money and somehow "trickle down."  As somebody already out of school and know what this economy really is, I know better!  I can confidently say that despite the fact both of you may have more experience than me working with pols or campaigns and whatnot.

Yes because I actually have said that I don't want to pay any taxes. I hate when idiots put words in my mouth but unless you stop posting, I doubt that will happen. And your party champions the working people, right? I love when that is thrown my parents' faces. They are working people. They are Northeast Philadelphians. But, unfortunately for you, they don't fall into the stupid stereotypes. "Democrats are for the working man! Republicans are for the rich!" Talk about ignorance.

My father and mother are both involved in a buisness background. My mother was also an accounting major in college, something you pride yourself in when you preach your left wing economics. You might be able to sit there and say "I know more than you, kids." but I'm sure my parents have far more experience than you do, Flyers. Check their registration sometime.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 17, 2005, 02:39:46 AM
Well at least you admit you don't like paying taxes.  That's great!  I'm not using my education to rub anything in your face.  Nobel Prize economists are on both sides of the political fence.  I also never mentioned your parents as well.  I also hate to see how your party uses distorted crap like "culture of life" to distract my father who sadly buys into that bullsh**t despite the fact he is a staunch union member and a Democrat until Gingrich and his cronies started his "moral crusade" on the Clintons while they had some skeletons in his closet themselves.  The thing with you is you can never give a sound argument as to why you support tax cuts for the rich and why you think this budget deficit is ok.  One of the ultimate theories I have on taxation and the economy is that it's quantifying your values as to what you feel is the best policy.  Hey, I think maximum capital gains tax rates are bullsh**t.  Your mother probably doesn't.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 17, 2005, 03:11:59 PM
Well at least you admit you don't like paying taxes.  That's great!  I'm not using my education to rub anything in your face.  Nobel Prize economists are on both sides of the political fence.  I also never mentioned your parents as well.  I also hate to see how your party uses distorted crap like "culture of life" to distract my father who sadly buys into that bullsh**t despite the fact he is a staunch union member and a Democrat until Gingrich and his cronies started his "moral crusade" on the Clintons while they had some skeletons in his closet themselves.  The thing with you is you can never give a sound argument as to why you support tax cuts for the rich and why you think this budget deficit is ok.  One of the ultimate theories I have on taxation and the economy is that it's quantifying your values as to what you feel is the best policy.  Hey, I think maximum capital gains tax rates are bullsh**t.  Your mother probably doesn't.   

Nobody enjoys paying taxes. I would just appreciate it if you didn't twist what I say into "You don't believe taxes should exist."

I know you didn't mention my parents but I did. You love to use the fact that you went to school for accounting in every economic discussion but I threw it back at you.

Also, it's ashame you can't realize that some of us value a culture of life and just because it screws your party over doesn't mean it's nonsense. Maybe, just maybe, these issues are important to some people? You want to lecture some conservatives that social issues aren't everything yet you demand that economics are key. Why is it ok to only focus on economics? Why do I have to hear "If it wasn't for social issues, my union member father would be a staunch Dem" instead of "If it wasn't for economic issues, my union leader whoever would be a staunch Republican?"

I never said budget deficits are ok and when it comes to cutting taxes for wealthy people, I look at is an issue of fairness. You like to engage in class warfare but I don't.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 18, 2005, 01:12:39 AM
And like I said in many posts before, no one likes paying taxes, but you get what you pay for with roads, schools, and various investments that would otherwise not be funded privately.  The one thing I will give your party is your better with the ad lib lines such as "culture of life" and "soft on defense".  I guess the jingoism sickens me more than others.  Our comm departments really stink.  Gingrich and Rove are geniuses on pinpointing specific issues and beating them to death. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 01, 2005, 01:20:09 PM
Check out Newsweek for a story on Candidate Raj.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 10, 2005, 10:39:07 PM
Check out Newsweek for a story on Candidate Raj.

If you have a link, I'd be glad to see it.  If not what issue?  He still doesn't have a chance in hell.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2005, 02:10:44 PM
Check out Newsweek for a story on Candidate Raj.

If you have a link, I'd be glad to see it.  If not what issue?  He still doesn't have a chance in hell.

It's from awhile ago.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 11, 2005, 02:16:49 PM
No need to worry about McDermott next year, PA 13 Republicans. He's challenging John Perzel for his state House seat!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 11, 2005, 02:48:39 PM
No need to worry about McDermott next year, PA 13 Republicans. He's challenging John Perzel for his state House seat!

Hahahahahahahahahaha!  What is he running on now?  "The pay I get as a State Legislator will help me get the much needed dental work."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 20, 2005, 10:57:59 PM
Raj for Congress is up and running - http://www.rajforcongress.com/ (http://www.rajforcongress.com/)

I don't expect Kats to stay in much longer. It's going to be an interesting primary fight between Bhakta and Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 21, 2005, 02:32:18 AM
Raj for Congress is up and running - http://www.rajforcongress.com/ (http://www.rajforcongress.com/)

I don't expect Kats to stay in much longer. It's going to be an interesting primary fight between Bhakta and Taubenberger.

Are you supporting Raj?  If so why?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 21, 2005, 04:32:35 PM
Raj for Congress is up and running - http://www.rajforcongress.com/ (http://www.rajforcongress.com/)

I don't expect Kats to stay in much longer. It's going to be an interesting primary fight between Bhakta and Taubenberger.

Are you supporting Raj?  If so why?

Don't take my posting of his site as an endorsement. I just post the news I come across.

I am unsure how I'll be voting in this primary. Let's just say Marina Kats is out of the question (I think she'll drop out soon anyway). I'm going to have to see more from Taubenberger and Raj. I have my known differences with Taubenberger and Raj might be out of step with what I can tolerate in a candidate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 22, 2005, 09:56:08 PM
Article on Allyson - http://www.brynmawr.edu/alumnae/bulletin/su05/ClimbingtheHill.shtml (http://www.brynmawr.edu/alumnae/bulletin/su05/ClimbingtheHill.shtml)


Interesting analysis at the bottom - Congressional expert G. Terry Madonna, director of the Center for Politics and Political Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College in Lancaster: “The race between Schwartz and Melissa Brown was a two-fisted, knockdown brawl. By mid-October the rhetoric was off the charts, and the two of them were shooting arrows at each other at close range. It was tough and it was brutal. But in the end, our [Keystone] polls showed that Schwartz had managed to put together a larger, more effective coalition of folks in the district. Of course, you also need to remember that John Kerry swept her district, the 13th, with more than 60 percent of the vote [Editor's note: Kerry won 56-43]. Schwartz benefited somewhat from the spillover—but she won with 55.7 percent, and she certainly earned the victory in her own right. She’s tough, she’s tenacious, and she’s extremely formidable. Unless she makes a major mistake of some kind—not very likely—she’s going to be be serving in Congress for a very long time.”



I agree that she's a tough opponent but those Presidential results are nearly identical to the PA 13 results. The national race played a key role.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 01, 2005, 12:54:37 AM
I would personally like to welcome back the man who started this original, yet legendary thread Mr. DMK169!  Hopefully this thread will be just as fun for well.... ever (much to the chagrin of everyone else)!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on December 01, 2005, 12:55:26 AM
I would personally like to welcome back the man who started this original, yet legendary thread Mr. DMK169!  Hopefully this thread will be just as fun for well.... ever (much to the chagrin of everyone else)!

Well, let's hope PA doesn't lose enough representation in the next century to only have 12 CDs.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: No One on December 02, 2005, 10:03:40 AM
we probably will eventually only have 12 but I dont see how the GOP can benefit. They will want to nix 13 but that would mean combining it with 2 and 8. it will kill 8 and not change much in 2. I dont see them combining it with 15 or 6 but ya never know.
The next idea would be to get rid of Holden's seat but that is going to go GOP once holden leaves. Dont worry, Dems, you are doing well in PA. lol


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 02, 2005, 10:41:37 AM
we probably will eventually only have 12 but I dont see how the GOP can benefit. They will want to nix 13 but that would mean combining it with 2 and 8. it will kill 8 and not change much in 2. I dont see them combining it with 15 or 6 but ya never know.
The next idea would be to get rid of Holden's seat but that is going to go GOP once holden leaves. Dont worry, Dems, you are doing well in PA. lol

No were not!  We are doing atrocious in PA thanks to Johnnymandering.  How do you know 13 will be nixed?  Population losses are heavier in other parts of the state.  You're right though nixing PA 13 will only help us in PA 6 and 8 unless you add the heavily conservative northern parts of PA 13 with PA 6 then drag PA 8 into reliably GOP parts of NE Philly and let PA 1 and 2 take the more Democratic areas of PA 13.  Then again there are many things that can backfire for you guys like they did with old PA 6 and PA 17 with Holden/Gekas and quite possibly PA 6 and 8 in 2006.  Adding more Democratic areas into PA 8 to buffer the GOP's chances at PA 13 like Perzel did in 2002 could very well backfire considering the Montco strip is heavily Democratic and Pat Murphy just so happens to have been raised in the NE Philly strip Fitzpatrick did so well in. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on December 31, 2005, 12:59:22 AM
HI Everyone hope everyone had a nice holiday I just felt the need with extra time on my hands since I havent had school to comment about Raj running for PA  13 I feel that Allyson Schwartz beat a fort washington area candidate before and she will beat one again. Raj may have family ties to PA 13 but how long has he really lived in the district. I know for a fact his high school years were spent at a boarding school and after that he went off to college does he really know the needs of all the people in this district. I highly doubt it. I  cant wait to see Raj going door to door in parts of Mayfair with his little tie. IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CULTURE SHOCK. I am really happy with the GOP's choice anyhow because it will make this election easier for allyson.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on December 31, 2005, 01:13:27 AM
HI Everyone hope everyone had a nice holiday I just felt the need with extra time on my hands since I havent had school to comment about Raj running for PA  13 I feel that Allyson Schwartz beat a fort washington area candidate before and she will beat one again. Raj may have family ties to PA 13 but how long has he really lived in the district. I know for a fact his high school years were spent at a boarding school and after that he went off to college does he really know the needs of all the people in this district. I highly doubt it. I  cant wait to see Raj going door to door in parts of Mayfair with his little tie. IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CULTURE SHOCK. I am really happy with the GOP's choice anyhow because it will make this election easier for allyson.

Hey, nice to see you back here, Demoteen.  For the record, Brown was from Flourtown not FW (though they do touch, they are different - trust me ;)).  I think without Castor running (and I doubt even with Castor running but that's a different debate) the Republicans know they don't really have much of a chance at this seat so they might as well run a wild card and see what happens (if Raj does well, he might give Schwartz a run for her money; if does poorly, no real lose).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 31, 2005, 01:56:04 AM
Raj may have family ties to PA 13 but how long has he really lived in the district. I know for a fact his high school years were spent at a boarding school and after that he went off to college does he really know the needs of all the people in this district. I highly doubt it. I  cant wait to see Raj going door to door in parts of Mayfair with his little tie. IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CULTURE SHOCK. I am really happy with the GOP's choice anyhow because it will make this election easier for allyson.

1) Raj isn't the nominee yet.
2) Where was Allyson Schwartz born?
3) Where did she spend most of her time?
4) Where did she go to school?
5) Before the 2004 primaries, how long did Schwartz live in this district?


I agree with you when it comes to the whole bow tie thing in Mayfair but how did someone like Allyson Schwartz (Of all people) pull it off? Anyway, I bet he already has people telling him that that shouldn't be worn in the NE Philly parts of the district but he's not even our "choice" yet. I don't even think we can call him a frontrunner since Taubenberger, while he is not an announced candidate, has many more connections.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 31, 2005, 01:04:26 PM
Raj may have family ties to PA 13 but how long has he really lived in the district. I know for a fact his high school years were spent at a boarding school and after that he went off to college does he really know the needs of all the people in this district. I highly doubt it. I  cant wait to see Raj going door to door in parts of Mayfair with his little tie. IT WILL BE ABSOLUTELY CULTURE SHOCK. I am really happy with the GOP's choice anyhow because it will make this election easier for allyson.

1) Raj isn't the nominee yet.
2) Where was Allyson Schwartz born?
3) Where did she spend most of her time?
4) Where did she go to school?
5) Before the 2004 primaries, how long did Schwartz live in this district?


I agree with you when it comes to the whole bow tie thing in Mayfair but how did someone like Allyson Schwartz (Of all people) pull it off? Anyway, I bet he already has people telling him that that shouldn't be worn in the NE Philly parts of the district but he's not even our "choice" yet. I don't even think we can call him a frontrunner since Taubenberger, while he is not an announced candidate, has many more connections.

Welcome back Demoteen.  I think Phil's right in saying Taubenberger will be the nominee because Raj also has some baggage with his womanizing and will he get blue collar NE Philadelphians?  I seriously doubt it.  Taubenberger will shave off a few Reagan Democrats who Allyson Schwartz got back in 2004, but Al T will get beat by a little more this time because of Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 31, 2005, 01:34:57 PM
  I think Phil's right in saying Taubenberger will be the nominee because Raj also has some baggage with his womanizing and will he get blue collar NE Philadelphians? 

Well, I'm not saying he'll be the nominee just yet. All I'm trying to do is point out that we can't say "The GOP has their nominee" yet. Taubenberger has the edge but I wouldn't say that he's got it locked up either.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Demoteen04 on December 31, 2005, 02:22:26 PM
I think the GOP has tough decision to make because Raj is very popular even among NE Philadelphians because of the apprentice. Al Taubenberger is well known around the Northeast but Montgomery County will hurt him where Raj will most likely be able to handle Montgomery County but even Northeast Philadelphia because of his stardom. However I do feel Taubenberger will be the nominee.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 10, 2006, 05:43:58 PM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 12, 2006, 04:07:51 AM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 12, 2006, 12:07:57 PM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!

Point out where I even hinted that he'd have a good chance at taking the seat. If you are going to act like a jackass every time I post some news about a Republican entry here then we might as well not even discuss the race anymore. Grow the hell up.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 14, 2006, 02:04:56 AM
According to PoliticsPA's up and down, Marrone's trial candidacy has ended (He's staying at the Defense Department), Raj has $110,000 on hand and is likely to win the nomination (I think that's certainly up for debate though).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 14, 2006, 02:18:48 AM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!

Point out where I even hinted that he'd have a good chance at taking the seat. If you are going to act like a jackass every time I post some news about a Republican entry here then we might as well not even discuss the race anymore. Grow the hell up.

Where did flyers say you thought he had a chance.  Looking at his post it looked like he was laughing that Marrone was actually running, and then asked you if you thought he had a chance.  He never said or suggested that you thought he had a chance, he just asked you if you thought he had a chance.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 14, 2006, 02:22:52 AM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!

Point out where I even hinted that he'd have a good chance at taking the seat. If you are going to act like a jackass every time I post some news about a Republican entry here then we might as well not even discuss the race anymore. Grow the hell up.

Where did flyers say you thought he had a chance.  Looking at his post it looked like he was laughing that Marrone was actually running, and then asked you if you thought he had a chance.  He never said or suggested that you thought he had a chance, he just asked you if you thought he had a chance.

He was laughing at the fact that I posted it meaning that I thought he had a chance. That's why he responded with "No, seriously...you think he has a chance?" It was about me and Marrone's chances. Please don't try to start a fight with me eveywhere now. He knows what he did.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 14, 2006, 03:16:35 AM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!

Point out where I even hinted that he'd have a good chance at taking the seat. If you are going to act like a jackass every time I post some news about a Republican entry here then we might as well not even discuss the race anymore. Grow the hell up.

Where did flyers say you thought he had a chance.  Looking at his post it looked like he was laughing that Marrone was actually running, and then asked you if you thought he had a chance.  He never said or suggested that you thought he had a chance, he just asked you if you thought he had a chance.

He was laughing at the fact that I posted it meaning that I thought he had a chance. That's why he responded with "No, seriously...you think he has a chance?" It was about me and Marrone's chances. Please don't try to start a fight with me eveywhere now. He knows what he did.

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 14, 2006, 09:34:30 AM
PoliticsPA is reporting that Christian Marrone, a former assistant DA in Montco, is considering a run for Congress.

PWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!  No seriously, you think he has a chance?  I would gladly vote for his father-in-law though!  IL FUMO!!!

Point out where I even hinted that he'd have a good chance at taking the seat. If you are going to act like a jackass every time I post some news about a Republican entry here then we might as well not even discuss the race anymore. Grow the hell up.

Where did flyers say you thought he had a chance.  Looking at his post it looked like he was laughing that Marrone was actually running, and then asked you if you thought he had a chance.  He never said or suggested that you thought he had a chance, he just asked you if you thought he had a chance.

He was laughing at the fact that I posted it meaning that I thought he had a chance. That's why he responded with "No, seriously...you think he has a chance?" It was about me and Marrone's chances. Please don't try to start a fight with me eveywhere now. He knows what he did.

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.

Hmm, I haven't been on this thread in a while and almost felt it went off a cliff.  Smash is right, I'm not laughing at you Phil rather the dolt Marrone and the fact he'd actually run.  Allyson Schwartz would mop the floor of him. 

As for the nominee I still think it will be Al Taubenberger. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 14, 2006, 11:11:58 AM

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.

I love how you do this just to argue with me. You just want to fight some more so you say that you definetley know what he was laughing at. You're pathetic and it doesn't matter now since Flyers just went along with what you were going to say. If he really didn't mean it that way, he would have seen my response and gotten just as nasty with me but you felt it was your buisness to continue to be the annoying, half brained hack that you are and attack me because of our disagreements elsewhere.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2006, 01:26:14 AM

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.

I love how you do this just to argue with me. You just want to fight some more so you say that you definetley know what he was laughing at. You're pathetic and it doesn't matter now since Flyers just went along with what you were going to say. If he really didn't mean it that way, he would have seen my response and gotten just as nasty with me but you felt it was your buisness to continue to be the annoying, half brained hack that you are and attack me because of our disagreements elsewhere.

Did it ever occur to you that he may have not seen your response for awhile??

Anyway the only reason I made a comment was because it seemed that you went out of your way and to accuse someone of attacking you when that was nopt the case.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 15, 2006, 02:33:33 PM

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.

I love how you do this just to argue with me. You just want to fight some more so you say that you definetley know what he was laughing at. You're pathetic and it doesn't matter now since Flyers just went along with what you were going to say. If he really didn't mean it that way, he would have seen my response and gotten just as nasty with me but you felt it was your buisness to continue to be the annoying, half brained hack that you are and attack me because of our disagreements elsewhere.

Did it ever occur to you that he may have not seen your response for awhile??

Anyway the only reason I made a comment was because it seemed that you went out of your way and to accuse someone of attacking you when that was nopt the case.

Flyers not seeing a response in the PA 13 thread? You're too funny, Smash. Try to get a little more serious, pal.

Anyway, the only reason why you commented here was because we were arguing elsewhere and you just wanted to start more.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 15, 2006, 08:51:58 PM

No Phil.  he was laughing at the fact that this dolt was entering the race.  Then said no, seriously (to ask you a serious question) that if you actually thought he could win.  He wasn't laughing that you thought he had a chance.  He was laughingat this guy actually running.

I love how you do this just to argue with me. You just want to fight some more so you say that you definetley know what he was laughing at. You're pathetic and it doesn't matter now since Flyers just went along with what you were going to say. If he really didn't mean it that way, he would have seen my response and gotten just as nasty with me but you felt it was your buisness to continue to be the annoying, half brained hack that you are and attack me because of our disagreements elsewhere.

Did it ever occur to you that he may have not seen your response for awhile??

Anyway the only reason I made a comment was because it seemed that you went out of your way and to accuse someone of attacking you when that was nopt the case.

Flyers not seeing a response in the PA 13 thread? You're too funny, Smash. Try to get a little more serious, pal.

Anyway, the only reason why you commented here was because we were arguing elsewhere and you just wanted to start more.


Maybe he wasn't online late that night???


No i didbn't post here to start a another fight.  I posted here because you went out of your way to start a fight with Flyers when their was no reason to


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 15, 2006, 11:22:28 PM
I posted here because you went out of your way to start a fight with Flyers when their was no reason to

Play mommy elsewhere, ok? Thanks. When Flyers wants to be a jackass when he responds, he'll get treated like one. He doesn't need you rushing the the thread when, coincidentally, you were arguing with me about other stuff. He can find his way here to argue with me.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 15, 2006, 11:25:22 PM
I posted here because you went out of your way to start a fight with Flyers when their was no reason to

Play mommy elsewhere, ok? Thanks. When Flyers wants to be a jackass when he responds, he'll get treated like one. He doesn't need you rushing the the thread when, coincidentally, you were arguing with me about other stuff. He can find his way here to argue with me.

What's going on in here?  Where am I in this????


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 15, 2006, 11:27:15 PM


What's going on in here?  Where am I in this????

I took your comments responding to Marrone's possible candidacy as just more of your immature antics about the GOP's chances. I responded that if you wanted to act that way about every Republican that has or might enter the race then I wouldn't post news here anymore. Smash and I were arguing about something else on another board when he decided to race over to take up your argument, throwing himself in where he wasn't needed (just trying to start new fights with me).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 15, 2006, 11:38:40 PM


What's going on in here?  Where am I in this????

I took your comments responding to Marrone's possible candidacy as just more of your immature antics about the GOP's chances. I responded that if you wanted to act that way about every Republican that has or might enter the race then I wouldn't post news here anymore. Smash and I were arguing about something else on another board when he decided to race over to take up your argument, throwing himself in where he wasn't needed (just trying to start new fights with me).

I'm not laughing at you personally, so don't take offense to it.  I just think it's funny he'd want to run considering Raj has his name talked up and you have perennial conservative Al T running again. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 16, 2006, 01:13:16 AM
I posted here because you went out of your way to start a fight with Flyers when their was no reason to

Play mommy elsewhere, ok? Thanks. When Flyers wants to be a jackass when he responds, he'll get treated like one. He doesn't need you rushing the the thread when, coincidentally, you were arguing with me about other stuff. He can find his way here to argue with me.

What's going on in here?  Where am I in this????

Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2006, 01:14:32 AM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.



I'm not laughing at you personally, so don't take offense to it.  I just think it's funny he'd want to run considering Raj has his name talked up and you have perennial conservative Al T running again. 

Doesn't matter now since he's already taken his name out of the running.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 16, 2006, 01:23:52 AM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.




You took a Flyers post a bit too personally when there was no need to (as Flyers stated himself)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2006, 01:28:23 AM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.




You took a Flyers post a bit too personally when there was no need to (as Flyers stated himself)

I'll come to you everytime I want emotions interpretted over the internet, ok? In the meantime, do us a favor and leave.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 16, 2006, 04:59:00 AM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.




You took a Flyers post a bit too personally when there was no need to (as Flyers stated himself)

I'll come to you everytime I want emotions interpretted over the internet, ok? In the meantime, do us a favor and leave.

I'd like more people chiming in on this thread just to make it look like this thread isn't a testament to our endless bickering that has gone on since well, the minute you got on here.  19 months and counting!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2006, 02:11:27 PM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.




You took a Flyers post a bit too personally when there was no need to (as Flyers stated himself)

I'll come to you everytime I want emotions interpretted over the internet, ok? In the meantime, do us a favor and leave.

I'd like more people chiming in on this thread just to make it look like this thread isn't a testament to our endless bickering that has gone on since well, the minute you got on here.  19 months and counting!

They can chime in in regards to the race. We don't need someone like Smash starting fights that are unrelated to the discussion and I know you agree.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Smash255 on January 17, 2006, 12:51:23 AM


Phil is pissed because I butted in when he called you a jackass for no reason

Again, clueless hack, I did have a reason now be gone.




You took a Flyers post a bit too personally when there was no need to (as Flyers stated himself)

I'll come to you everytime I want emotions interpretted over the internet, ok? In the meantime, do us a favor and leave.

I'd like more people chiming in on this thread just to make it look like this thread isn't a testament to our endless bickering that has gone on since well, the minute you got on here.  19 months and counting!

They can chime in in regards to the race. We don't need someone like Smash starting fights that are unrelated to the discussion and I know you agree.

All I simply stated was that you were wrong in your analysis of what Flyers was stating.  You yourself was the one who started the fight when you first called Flyers a Jackass & then responded to me the way you did.  All I tried to point out is you were reading too much into Flyers's post (which as it turns out I was right & you were) when you responded to him with your jackass comment


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 18, 2006, 03:24:59 PM
You yourself was the one who started the fight when you first called Flyers a Jackass & then responded to me the way you did.  All I tried to point out is you were reading too much into Flyers's post (which as it turns out I was right & you were) when you responded to him with your jackass comment

I can handle it and so can Flyers, nanny. I still believe Flyers was being his usual obnoxious self with this comment towards me but that's not the point. You were arguing with me elsewhere and wanted to take it here. It didn't concern you. Flyers sees this thread and could have responded on his own. Be gone, hack.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 18, 2006, 04:24:54 PM
You yourself was the one who started the fight when you first called Flyers a Jackass & then responded to me the way you did.  All I tried to point out is you were reading too much into Flyers's post (which as it turns out I was right & you were) when you responded to him with your jackass comment

I can handle it and so can Flyers, nanny. I still believe Flyers was being his usual obnoxious self with this comment towards me but that's not the point. You were arguing with me elsewhere and wanted to take it here. It didn't concern you. Flyers sees this thread and could have responded on his own. Be gone, hack.

I'm always obnoxious, but hey so are you.  You calling Smash a hack?  Take a look in the mirror! 

Anyway back to the business of this Congressional seat.  So far we have Raj Bhatka, Marina Kats, and Al Taubenberger.  Do you think we will have any new entrants into this race and if Al T doesn't win do you think we'll see John McDermott in his 9th political race?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 18, 2006, 05:50:36 PM
  You calling Smash a hack?  Take a look in the mirror!

And everytime I ask you to back it up, you never step up, hack. 

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Anyway back to the business of this Congressional seat.  So far we have Raj Bhatka, Marina Kats, and Al Taubenberger.  Do you think we will have any new entrants into this race and if Al T doesn't win do you think we'll see John McDermott in his 9th political race?

McDermott seems serious in his challenge to Perzel. I think, for once, we won't see McDermott in a PA 13 race.

As for new entrants, no one notable.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 19, 2006, 06:24:49 PM
In memoriam.  Could Keystone Phil's departure make this a dead thread?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Virginian87 on February 19, 2006, 07:58:26 PM
In memoriam.  Could Keystone Phil's departure make this a dead thread?

I certainly hope so.  I could care less about Allyson Schwartz and whomever she might be facing.  But it certainly was entertaining in 2004.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on February 19, 2006, 09:10:54 PM
In memoriam.  Could Keystone Phil's departure make this a dead thread?

It will never die!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Colin on February 20, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
After 86 pages and the departure of Phil I think this thread is DOA.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 20, 2006, 09:01:25 PM
After 86 pages and the departure of Phil I think this thread is DOA.

Still got nini2287.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on February 21, 2006, 03:40:44 AM

Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 21, 2006, 06:11:48 PM


I think Al Taubenberger.
Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on February 21, 2006, 10:28:01 PM


Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?

I think Al Taubenberger.

So that Kats lady is officially out as is Castor?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 21, 2006, 11:32:33 PM


I think Al Taubenberger.
Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6 (http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6)

Also, for nini, Kats has never officially bowed out and Castor not running has been certain for awhile now. Just wanted to come back to fill you guys in on that.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on February 22, 2006, 01:05:25 AM


I think Al Taubenberger.
Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6 (http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6)

Also, for nini, Kats has never officially bowed out and Castor not running has been certain for awhile now. Just wanted to come back to fill you guys in on that.

Thanks for the link.  I thought Castor was out, just wanted to make sure (and prevent the thread from dying). 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: NewFederalist on March 08, 2006, 10:10:29 AM


I think Al Taubenberger.
Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6 (http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6)

Also, for nini, Kats has never officially bowed out and Castor not running has been certain for awhile now. Just wanted to come back to fill you guys in on that.

Phil- Have you stopped posting? I thought the candidacy of Raj would really juice up this thread!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 08, 2006, 12:46:03 PM


I think Al Taubenberger.
Exactly.  Flyers, I've obviously been away from the district lately.  Are any Republicans besides Raj running?


http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6 (http://www.newsgleaner.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16137276&BRD=2340&PAG=461&dept_id=488595&rfi=6)

Also, for nini, Kats has never officially bowed out and Castor not running has been certain for awhile now. Just wanted to come back to fill you guys in on that.

Phil- Have you stopped posting? I thought the candidacy of Raj would really juice up this thread!

It's great to see you back here, NewFeddy!

Yeah, Phil announced a few weeks ago that he's taking a break from the Forum:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=36625.msg826120#msg826120 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=36625.msg826120#msg826120)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 08, 2006, 05:58:47 PM
I think Schwartz will sail in this one.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 08, 2006, 10:52:55 PM

Agreed.  Flyers, to settle a discussion we had awhile ago, Crahalla isn't running for reelection so I guess we'll never know if she would have won ;)  She had a quote in today's Inquirer saying something like "We're going to lose a lot of good people in the state house and these new people don't know what they're doing or realize this is a 24/7 job!"


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 08, 2006, 10:57:35 PM

Agreed.  Flyers, to settle a discussion we had awhile ago, Crahalla isn't running for reelection so I guess we'll never know if she would have won ;)  She had a quote in today's Inquirer saying something like "We're going to lose a lot of good people in the state house and these new people don't know what they're doing or realize this is a 24/7 job!"

I also heard Becky Wall ins't running again for that seat.  I think she should considering how well she did against Crahalla in 2004.  Should also note she's Boyle's cousin.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 08, 2006, 11:06:58 PM

Agreed.  Flyers, to settle a discussion we had awhile ago, Crahalla isn't running for reelection so I guess we'll never know if she would have won ;)  She had a quote in today's Inquirer saying something like "We're going to lose a lot of good people in the state house and these new people don't know what they're doing or realize this is a 24/7 job!"

I also heard Becky Wall ins't running again for that seat.  I think she should considering how well she did against Crahalla in 2004.  Should also note she's Boyle's cousin.

Maybe she hasn't gained any post-Red Lobster experience ;)

I googled the people running for Crahalla's seat, Democrat is Olivia Brady, a Norristown City Councilwoman.  I couldn't find anything on the Republican, Mike Vereb.

Also a couple intersting things:  Boyle is running again for Kenney's seat and Paul Lang is challenging Robert Tomlinson for the 6th district Senate seat.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: NewFederalist on March 10, 2006, 05:28:21 PM

Phil- Have you stopped posting? I thought the candidacy of Raj would really juice up this thread!
[/quote]

It's great to see you back here, NewFeddy!

Yeah, Phil announced a few weeks ago that he's taking a break from the Forum:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=36625.msg826120#msg826120 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=36625.msg826120#msg826120)
[/quote]


Thanks nini2287. I have been away since September 2005. Just dropped by to see who was still posting. I am shocked that Keystone Phil would depart when Santorum is up for re-election unless he believes the polls that seem to indicate Casey is likely to win. Hope all is well with you.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on March 19, 2006, 08:57:28 AM
A BUMP of our third longest thread in honor of the return of one of its major contributors, Keystone Phil.  I am surprised at neither his decision to leave nor his decision to return.  We both joined within two days of each other.  I feel I spend a bit too much time here and yet he has almost three times as many posts as I do.  You do the math.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 20, 2006, 11:13:38 PM
Thank you for that, Ernest. There won't be much of a discussion here this year. I am not thrilled with our nominee and even if I was, Schwartz has this race won by a healthy margin already. We'll throw in some commentary once in awhile though. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 20, 2006, 11:33:05 PM
Thank you for that, Ernest. There won't be much of a discussion here this year. I am not thrilled with our nominee and even if I was, Schwartz has this race won by a healthy margin already. We'll throw in some commentary once in awhile though. 

PA 6/PA 8 will be the races this year.  Nothing new or exciting has come out of them yet, but there will be!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 27, 2006, 09:23:45 PM
Phil, have you heard any word on the primary yet?  It's sneaking up on us and I'm only hearing tidbits in the NE Times.  By the way who are you supporting?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 27, 2006, 09:29:48 PM
Phil, have you heard any word on the primary yet?  It's sneaking up on us and I'm only hearing tidbits in the NE Times.  By the way who are you supporting?

What did you expect to hear? Both Schwartz and Raj are unopposed. There isn't much to talk about. I'm not thrilled with Raj but I don't have a choice. I could always skip it but I really want to hold back on doing that unless I am faced with a horrible situation and even then I'd likely write someone in.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 27, 2006, 09:44:32 PM
Phil, have you heard any word on the primary yet?  It's sneaking up on us and I'm only hearing tidbits in the NE Times.  By the way who are you supporting?

What did you expect to hear? Both Schwartz and Raj are unopposed. There isn't much to talk about. I'm not thrilled with Raj but I don't have a choice. I could always skip it but I really want to hold back on doing that unless I am faced with a horrible situation and even then I'd likely write someone in.

No Al Taubenberger?  I think he's your guys better candidate.  You think this celeb circus with Raj and Swann will get it for you guys, but there will be a rude awakening come November.  Man this just proves the GOP is desperate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 27, 2006, 10:02:39 PM


No Al Taubenberger?  I think he's your guys better candidate.  You think this celeb circus with Raj and Swann will get it for you guys, but there will be a rude awakening come November.  Man this just proves the GOP is desperate.

I thought we've been over this. Taubenberger is thinking about a Mayoral run. And this "celeb circus" isn't that crazy since Rendell and Swann have been tied for awhile with Eddie well under 50%. As for Raj, we aren't desperate. PA 13, unfortunately, doesn't matter now. Once Castor ruled it out there was no chance for us here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on March 28, 2006, 01:56:46 AM
Raj has a better chance of picking up this seat that does Taubenberger.  Taubenberger would be some dull, unknown candidate who'd get slaughtered.  While Raj will get slaughtered as well, he's also a wildcard and has much more potential to make the race interesting than does Tauben-
berger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 28, 2006, 06:24:14 PM
Raj has a better chance of picking up this seat that does Taubenberger.  Taubenberger would be some dull, unknown candidate who'd get slaughtered.  While Raj will get slaughtered as well, he's also a wildcard and has much more potential to make the race interesting than does Tauben-
berger.

I wouldn't say that Taubenberger is a complete unknown but he'd get demolished. As you said, Raj makes this more interesting and it will be closer than it would be with Taubenberger.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 29, 2006, 06:17:51 PM
On this issue I know both Congressional candidates have mentioned Section 8 (see the epic PA 13 thread) and I did like Allyson Schwartz's idea of making landlords more accountable, but I hate to say it I haven't seen or heard much from her. 

Our differences on this aside, you honestly thought she'd try to do something about Section 8?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 29, 2006, 06:28:25 PM
On this issue I know both Congressional candidates have mentioned Section 8 (see the epic PA 13 thread) and I did like Allyson Schwartz's idea of making landlords more accountable, but I hate to say it I haven't seen or heard much from her. 

Our differences on this aside, you honestly thought she'd try to do something about Section 8?

I honestly didn't think either would do anything significant about Section 8.  There might have been a slight grumble from Missy Brown, but she would have beenWAAY more focused on medical malpractice and these "horrible leeching lawyers."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 29, 2006, 06:57:03 PM
On this issue I know both Congressional candidates have mentioned Section 8 (see the epic PA 13 thread) and I did like Allyson Schwartz's idea of making landlords more accountable, but I hate to say it I haven't seen or heard much from her. 

Our differences on this aside, you honestly thought she'd try to do something about Section 8?

I honestly didn't think either would do anything significant about Section 8.  There might have been a slight grumble from Missy Brown, but she would have beenWAAY more focused on medical malpractice and these "horrible leeching lawyers."

You said that you hate to say that you haven't seen anything from her which led me to believe that you expected. I'm pretty sure we had numerous debates about whether or not Schwartz would do something and you dismissed my claims that she wouldn't spend a second trying to fix the program.

This isn't even about doing something "significant" (so don't play with what you said) because neither of us have even heard her or seen anything about her bringing it up in passing.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 30, 2006, 05:58:36 PM
Top story on PoliticsPA - Raj nabbed for drunk driving in the past - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0330061raj1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0330061raj1.html)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 30, 2006, 07:18:28 PM
Top story on PoliticsPA - Raj nabbed for drunk driving in the past - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0330061raj1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0330061raj1.html)

NIIIICE!!!  That makes me.00001% more likely to vote for him!  What would NE Philly/Montco think is yet to be seen?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 30, 2006, 07:28:39 PM


NIIIICE!!!  That makes me.00001% more likely to vote for him!  What would NE Philly/Montco think is yet to be seen?

Uh, not really surprised with your remark but let me just make sure you really mean what you said. You think that drunk driving is a positive and makes you more willing to vote for someone?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 30, 2006, 07:38:15 PM


NIIIICE!!!  That makes me.00001% more likely to vote for him!  What would NE Philly/Montco think is yet to be seen?

Uh, not really surprised with your remark but let me just make sure you really mean what you said. You think that drunk driving is a positive and makes you more willing to vote for someone?

I was joking in case you didn't get it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 30, 2006, 07:40:47 PM


NIIIICE!!!  That makes me.00001% more likely to vote for him!  What would NE Philly/Montco think is yet to be seen?

Uh, not really surprised with your remark but let me just make sure you really mean what you said. You think that drunk driving is a positive and makes you more willing to vote for someone?

I was joking in case you didn't get it.

I can never tell with you. You should have said your chances of voting for him went up 0.18 or 0.19 - Raj's blood alcohol levels.

In all seriousness, this is yet another stain on a candidate that I am not thrilled to be supporting.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 30, 2006, 07:46:10 PM


NIIIICE!!!  That makes me.00001% more likely to vote for him!  What would NE Philly/Montco think is yet to be seen?

Uh, not really surprised with your remark but let me just make sure you really mean what you said. You think that drunk driving is a positive and makes you more willing to vote for someone?

I was joking in case you didn't get it.

I can never tell with you. You should have said your chances of voting for him went up 0.18 or 0.19 - Raj's blood alcohol levels.

In all seriousness, this is yet another stain on a candidate that I am not thrilled to be supporting.

I would look at his recent record and see if he has atoned for his sins.  I know I'm not perfect, but know myself if you're 0.18 or 0.19, you're tanked and should not be on the road AT ALL.  I know I've cut it close to 0.10 myself and even then I get a more sober friend to drive or stay over their house/apartment if I'm that bad.  This is a mark against the GOP to take this seat and it really is a shame there probably isn't even a competitive race now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 30, 2006, 07:53:48 PM
This is a mark against the GOP to take this seat and it really is a shame there probably isn't even a competitive race now.

You think it's a shame? Nice act. Don't know why you'd try pulling that anyway.

Anyhow, this news (which won't get much play in the mainstream media) isn't what makes this race uncompetitive and you know that. Raj makes things interesting but it's not about making this race competitive with him. If we wanted some power in this race we would have had other people running for and someone more serious winning the nomination.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 01, 2006, 11:14:33 AM
This is a mark against the GOP to take this seat and it really is a shame there probably isn't even a competitive race now.

You think it's a shame? Nice act. Don't know why you'd try pulling that anyway.

Anyhow, this news (which won't get much play in the mainstream media) isn't what makes this race uncompetitive and you know that. Raj makes things interesting but it's not about making this race competitive with him. If we wanted some power in this race we would have had other people running for and someone more serious winning the nomination.

You may never think I'd admit this, but I liked Raj on the Apprentice.  He will make this race interesting and now Allyson Schwartz has a somewhat unhappy base on some conservative votes she made on the PATRIOT Act and the Bankruptcy Bill.  Yes, you heard it right, I know some Dems who fought hard for her who are pissed now.  Could you guys still get this seat?  Highly doubtful especially now that 2 of your best 3 candidates we discussed before (Taylor, O'Brien) are a bit in the doghouse for taking the pay raise plus Castor only wants a DA or AG position.  Castor would have made this seat lean Schwartz, Taylor/O'Brien- likely Schwartz, Raj/TaubenBerger/anyone else- strong Schwartz.  The thing with putting up either Taylor or O'Brien is you are now exposing safe seats for you guys into competitive seats.  I now think the 169th would be a tossup and the 177th would easily go Dem.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 01, 2006, 02:44:23 PM


You may never think I'd admit this, but I liked Raj on the Apprentice.  He will make this race interesting and now Allyson Schwartz has a somewhat unhappy base on some conservative votes she made on the PATRIOT Act and the Bankruptcy Bill.  Yes, you heard it right, I know some Dems who fought hard for her who are pissed now.  Could you guys still get this seat?  Highly doubtful especially now that 2 of your best 3 candidates we discussed before (Taylor, O'Brien) are a bit in the doghouse for taking the pay raise plus Castor only wants a DA or AG position.  Castor would have made this seat lean Schwartz, Taylor/O'Brien- likely Schwartz, Raj/TaubenBerger/anyone else- strong Schwartz.  The thing with putting up either Taylor or O'Brien is you are now exposing safe seats for you guys into competitive seats.  I now think the 169th would be a tossup and the 177th would easily go Dem.   

A bit in the dog house? O'Brien is, once again, unopposed and Taylor will easily win another term. I don't think Castor wants just a DA or AG position. He put his name out for Governor and if the party kissed up to him a bit more I think he would have given it a try.

As for 169th and 177th if either of the two men holding those seats ran, the former would be tossup but lean Republican and the latter is an easy Dem win (as you said).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 01, 2006, 06:06:51 PM


You may never think I'd admit this, but I liked Raj on the Apprentice.  He will make this race interesting and now Allyson Schwartz has a somewhat unhappy base on some conservative votes she made on the PATRIOT Act and the Bankruptcy Bill.  Yes, you heard it right, I know some Dems who fought hard for her who are pissed now.  Could you guys still get this seat?  Highly doubtful especially now that 2 of your best 3 candidates we discussed before (Taylor, O'Brien) are a bit in the doghouse for taking the pay raise plus Castor only wants a DA or AG position.  Castor would have made this seat lean Schwartz, Taylor/O'Brien- likely Schwartz, Raj/TaubenBerger/anyone else- strong Schwartz.  The thing with putting up either Taylor or O'Brien is you are now exposing safe seats for you guys into competitive seats.  I now think the 169th would be a tossup and the 177th would easily go Dem.   

A bit in the dog house? O'Brien is, once again, unopposed and Taylor will easily win another term. I don't think Castor wants just a DA or AG position. He put his name out for Governor and if the party kissed up to him a bit more I think he would have given it a try.

As for 169th and 177th if either of the two men holding those seats ran, the former would be tossup but lean Republican and the latter is an easy Dem win (as you said).

Taylor and O'Brien will be re-elected, but Taylor may have his toughest fight yet.  A state legislator looking for a promotion to Congress at this point may not be a good thing considering he pay raise.  I may also peg Perzel's seat as a dark horse for a flip because he is challenged from the left and the right, plus he took the bigget pay raise of them all.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 01, 2006, 06:11:22 PM
I may also peg Perzel's seat as a dark horse for a flip because he is challenged from the left and the right, plus he took the bigget pay raise of them all.

No way. He'd still get in the mid 60s if McDermott and Kearney were serious.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 25, 2006, 02:19:51 PM
Documentary of PA 13 candidate's campaign - http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tfr/154069312.html (http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tfr/154069312.html)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 25, 2006, 03:48:22 PM
Schwartz turns down appearance on The Daily Show with Raj. What would you do?  http://politicspa.com/virtual_campaign_manager.htm (http://politicspa.com/virtual_campaign_manager.htm)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 25, 2006, 07:37:12 PM
Schwartz turns down appearance on The Daily Show with Raj. What would you do?  http://politicspa.com/virtual_campaign_manager.htm (http://politicspa.com/virtual_campaign_manager.htm)

Though I love the Daily Show, Raj is a pop culture icon.  It would be foolish for Schwartz to appear.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on May 15, 2006, 12:47:46 AM
I was thinking the other day-why did Raj run for this seat when he has a number of other options where he has a slightly better chance of winning since he won't be a Republican in a Democratic-leaning district with a popular Democratic incumbent with a national mood likely to favor Democrats.

-He could have run for state house against Shapiro or Gerber.  Even though both voted against the pay raise, the anti-incumbent mood might be strong enough to take one of them out.

-Challenging Greenleaf in a primary would probably be foolish as it would piss off the GOP machine, but he potentially defeat Greenleaf.

-He could have thrown his name into the Governor/Lt. Gov. race and even if he doesn't get the nomination would probably gain support for a future state row office run.

-Wait until 2008 to run for a row office or a neighboring district if Gerlach or Fitzpatrick is knocked off or until 2010 to run for the open seat if Schwartz runs for Senate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2006, 02:01:12 PM
In response to nini:

The reason why Raj is running, in my opinion, is because he has the chance right now. He knows very well that he's not a top tier candidate. The GOP will have better people running for those other offices especially statewide. Raj for Governor? Come on.

As for why doesn't he try Shapiro or Gerber, well, he wouldn't get as much attention. Former TV personality runs for Congress will be noticed more than Former TV personality runs for State House.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 15, 2006, 05:01:35 PM
I was thinking the other day-why did Raj run for this seat when he has a number of other options where he has a slightly better chance of winning since he won't be a Republican in a Democratic-leaning district with a popular Democratic incumbent with a national mood likely to favor Democrats.

-He could have run for state house against Shapiro or Gerber.  Even though both voted against the pay raise, the anti-incumbent mood might be strong enough to take one of them out.

-Challenging Greenleaf in a primary would probably be foolish as it would piss off the GOP machine, but he potentially defeat Greenleaf.

-He could have thrown his name into the Governor/Lt. Gov. race and even if he doesn't get the nomination would probably gain support for a future state row office run.

-Wait until 2008 to run for a row office or a neighboring district if Gerlach or Fitzpatrick is knocked off or until 2010 to run for the open seat if Schwartz runs for Senate.

This district is locked for the Democrats for years to come.  Other than Bruce Castor, there is no one who can legitimately challenge the Dems.  The NE Philly Republicans have their own issues and you know they're not gonna get off as easy as they once did even in local elections.  Taylor and O'Brien might not be endangered in their seats, but I could now say they have zero shot of winning PA 13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 15, 2006, 06:44:53 PM
but I could now say they have zero shot of winning PA 13.

Chances of winning would be very low (pretty strong Montco vote against either one of them) but zero shot? No.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 16, 2006, 05:59:11 PM
but I could now say they have zero shot of winning PA 13.

Chances of winning would be very low (pretty strong Montco vote against either one of them) but zero shot? No.

There would have to be a strong national GOP surge.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 20, 2006, 10:00:42 PM
Check out the pathetic new video ad put out by Raj's campaign - http://rajforcongress.com/ (http://rajforcongress.com/)

He told Specter that he'd be a Specter Republican. Wow. I already knew that he's that type but for him to come out and say it is very bad. Actually, he had Specter say it which is worse.

By the way, the Raj HQs is being called the Raj Mahal. At least they're having fun...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on June 29, 2006, 11:19:45 AM
Check out the pathetic new video ad put out by Raj's campaign - http://rajforcongress.com/ (http://rajforcongress.com/)

He told Specter that he'd be a Specter Republican. Wow. I already knew that he's that type but for him to come out and say it is very bad. Actually, he had Specter say it which is worse.

By the way, the Raj HQs is being called the Raj Mahal. At least they're having fun...

Raj's signs are the second worst I've seen in PA-13 behind:

Tauben-
 berger

As one of my friends said "How is he going to win the white vote running as 'Raj'"?  And "Reform for a Change" is a terrible tagline.  It's a shame because he doesn't seem like a bad guy and I think he'd do a decent job in DC (although I won't vote for him against Schwartz).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 29, 2006, 04:32:18 PM
Check out the pathetic new video ad put out by Raj's campaign - http://rajforcongress.com/ (http://rajforcongress.com/)

He told Specter that he'd be a Specter Republican. Wow. I already knew that he's that type but for him to come out and say it is very bad. Actually, he had Specter say it which is worse.

By the way, the Raj HQs is being called the Raj Mahal. At least they're having fun...

Raj's signs are the second worst I've seen in PA-13 behind:

Tauben-
 berger

As one of my friends said "How is he going to win the white vote running as 'Raj'"?  And "Reform for a Change" is a terrible tagline.  It's a shame because he doesn't seem like a bad guy and I think he'd do a decent job in DC (although I won't vote for him against Schwartz).

Barring race, I think he is one of the better GOP candidates put up.  I do think however the GOP should have taken a chance on Tauben-
                                                                                           berger because he can get the votes of the base.  Anti-abortion, white male Republicans in Northeast Philly who lean pro-union might not be so enthused with Raj and may go back to their pre-Reagan roots.  As I was collecting sigs for Brendan Boyle, I was in a very Republican part of the 170th and there were quite a few elderly Republicans getting their updated Medicare premiums saying they wished they could sign and regretted voting for Bush and will not vote for Santorum.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on June 29, 2006, 11:12:50 PM
Check out the pathetic new video ad put out by Raj's campaign - http://rajforcongress.com/ (http://rajforcongress.com/)

He told Specter that he'd be a Specter Republican. Wow. I already knew that he's that type but for him to come out and say it is very bad. Actually, he had Specter say it which is worse.

By the way, the Raj HQs is being called the Raj Mahal. At least they're having fun...

Raj's signs are the second worst I've seen in PA-13 behind:

Tauben-
 berger

As one of my friends said "How is he going to win the white vote running as 'Raj'"?  And "Reform for a Change" is a terrible tagline.  It's a shame because he doesn't seem like a bad guy and I think he'd do a decent job in DC (although I won't vote for him against Schwartz).

Barring race, I think he is one of the better GOP candidates put up.

I agree, but he's running an awful campaign so far.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MAS117 on June 30, 2006, 12:39:01 AM
Has there been any polling done for PA-8, 6, or 7?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 05, 2006, 12:21:34 AM


Barring race, I think he is one of the better GOP candidates put up.  I do think however the GOP should have taken a chance on Tauben-
                                                                                           berger because he can get the votes of the base.  Anti-abortion, white male Republicans in Northeast Philly who lean pro-union might not be so enthused with Raj and may go back to their pre-Reagan roots.

I wish we would have went with Taubenberger and his goofy signs. I am going to regret having to vote for Raj. I can at least say that I agree with Taubenberger on most of the issues.

The party doesn't care either way and Taubenberger is too concerned with a possible Mayoral run so why not go with some guy that brings some star power to a race we'll lose anyway?

 
Quote
As I was collecting sigs for Brendan Boyle, I was in a very Republican part of the 170th and there were quite a few elderly Republicans getting their updated Medicare premiums saying they wished they could sign and regretted voting for Bush and will not vote for Santorum.

As usual, totally irrelevant.



I agree, but he's running an awful campaign so far.

This isn't about running a good campaign with them. This is a show and that's all they'll ever care about. Raj knows he won't win so he'll have fun with this.


Has there been any polling done for PA-8, 6, or 7?

No and try putting your post in the correct thread next time.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 05, 2006, 12:24:09 AM
Quote from: Senator Keystone Phil
I wish we would have went with Taubenberger and his goofy signs. I am going to regret having to vote for Raj.

You could vote for Allyson.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 05, 2006, 12:38:28 AM
Quote from: Senator Keystone Phil
I wish we would have went with Taubenberger and his goofy signs. I am going to regret having to vote for Raj.

You could vote for Allyson.


I could also actively campaign for Kim Jong Il instead of Raj but I'm not that crazy now, am I?  :P


There is almost no chance that I'd vote for her, nini.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 05, 2006, 12:39:56 AM
Quote from: Senator Keystone Phil
I wish we would have went with Taubenberger and his goofy signs. I am going to regret having to vote for Raj.

You could vote for Allyson.


I could also actively campaign for Kim Jong Il instead of Raj but I'm not that crazy now, am I?  :P


There is almost no chance that I'd vote for her, nini.

It was worth a try.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 06, 2006, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: Senator Keystone Phil
I wish we would have went with Taubenberger and his goofy signs. I am going to regret having to vote for Raj.

You could vote for Allyson.


I could also actively campaign for Kim Jong Il instead of Raj but I'm not that crazy now, am I?  :P


There is almost no chance that I'd vote for her, nini.

I'm surprised you're not out there saying Kim Jong II for PA 13!!!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 18, 2006, 10:57:38 AM
He'd have to have signs that read:

Anagno-
stopoulos

(only Flyers and Phil or anyone who actually reads the PA-13 thread will probably get this)

Nope Ole Al from Fox Chase ain't runnin' again.

This is appropriate for this thread.

1) Why did you feel that need to mention he is from Fox Chase?  :P
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Virginian87 on July 18, 2006, 01:04:52 PM
He'd have to have signs that read:

Anagno-
stopoulos

(only Flyers and Phil or anyone who actually reads the PA-13 thread will probably get this)

Nope Ole Al from Fox Chase ain't runnin' again.

This is appropriate for this thread.

1) Why did you feel that need to mention he is from Fox Chase?  :P
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.

Why is Fox Chase such an apparently infamous place?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 18, 2006, 01:09:41 PM
He'd have to have signs that read:

Anagno-
stopoulos

(only Flyers and Phil or anyone who actually reads the PA-13 thread will probably get this)

Nope Ole Al from Fox Chase ain't runnin' again.

This is appropriate for this thread.

1) Why did you feel that need to mention he is from Fox Chase?  :P
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.

Why is Fox Chase such an apparently infamous place?

That's the thing - it isn't. Flyers just likes to throw it in with everything because he thinks it's the most conservative part of our area. It's kind of like the whole Massachusetts liberal thing.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on July 18, 2006, 05:22:14 PM
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.

Is he really?  If he does and makes those signs, I would buy (or take down) one of them and hang it in my dorm room.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 18, 2006, 08:09:00 PM
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.

Is he really?  If he does and makes those signs, I would buy (or take down) one of them and hang it in my dorm room.

That would
be so cool.



:P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 19, 2006, 06:20:29 AM
2) While he isn't running for Congress, you do know he is thinking about Mayor, right? I bet those signs will be back if he goes along with it.

Is he really?  If he does and makes those signs, I would buy (or take down) one of them and hang it in my dorm room.

That would
be so cool.



:P

Would you
vote for him?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 19, 2006, 08:30:53 AM

In the primary - depends on who else is running. I'd likely vote for him if he got to the General.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 02, 2006, 10:41:38 PM
The 13th is back! The campaign should begin to heat up very soon even though we know who will win this one. Schwartz has finally put up her updated website - http://www.allysonschwartz.com/index.asp (http://www.allysonschwartz.com/index.asp)   Aside from the empty issues page, the need for more pics and a few videos (she had videos on her 2004 site), I think it is a very good site.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 03, 2006, 11:54:14 AM
The 13th is back! The campaign should begin to heat up very soon even though we know who will win this one. Schwartz has finally put up her updated website - http://www.allysonschwartz.com/index.asp (http://www.allysonschwartz.com/index.asp)   Aside from the empty issues page, the need for more pics and a few videos (she had videos on her 2004 site), I think it is a very good site.

It is a nice site, even though they probably copied the Issues page out of the Casey campaign ;)

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: NewFederalist on August 03, 2006, 02:14:47 PM

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Based on his previous website and his partaking of alcohol on The Apprentice, I would say no.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 03, 2006, 07:51:52 PM

I'm glad you admitted this.  Now if only you can at least admit Gerlach's done, we'd be good! :) 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 03, 2006, 07:54:03 PM

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Based on his previous website and his partaking of alcohol on The Apprentice, I would say no.

I know he can make a mean cup of coffee though!  His whole family works at the Frankford El Stop Dunkin Donuts. :P  One problem is they put too much damn sugar.  "You wan cleamsugar."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 03, 2006, 10:55:30 PM

I'm glad you admitted this.  Now if only you can at least admit Gerlach's done, we'd be good! :) 

Uh, anyone would tell you that this race is done and that Gerlach isn't.   :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 03, 2006, 10:57:11 PM

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Based on his previous website and his partaking of alcohol on The Apprentice, I would say no.

Well the reason I asked is that I passed a sign advertising a "Raj for Congress-Beef and Beer" which I thought would be pretty ironic if he were Hindu.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: NewFederalist on August 04, 2006, 06:34:14 AM

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Based on his previous website and his partaking of alcohol on The Apprentice, I would say no.

Well the reason I asked is that I passed a sign advertising a "Raj for Congress-Beef and Beer" which I thought would be pretty ironic if he were Hindu.

That would be ironic! I believe he is only half Indian (father, I think) and his mother is Irish if I remember from his old website.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 04, 2006, 05:05:15 PM

On another note, does anybody know if Raj is a Hindu?


Based on his previous website and his partaking of alcohol on The Apprentice, I would say no.

Well the reason I asked is that I passed a sign advertising a "Raj for Congress-Beef and Beer" which I thought would be pretty ironic if he were Hindu.

That would be ironic! I believe he is only half Indian (father, I think) and his mother is Irish if I remember from his old website.

An Indian couple used to live in our house and we got a letter from Raj talking about putting (another now) Indian in Congress.  I'll post it later on when I have the letter in front of me.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2006, 11:06:08 PM
According to a Dem staffer who commented in The Hill, Raj called Schwartz a "liberal bi--h" and said he didn't care about the race anymore. I at least have to thank him for the laughs with the whole liberal comment.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2006, 11:13:31 PM
According to a Dem staffer who commented in The Hill, Raj called Schwartz a "liberal bi--h" and said he didn't care about the race anymore. I at least have to thank him for the laughs with the whole liberal comment.

Guess who will be having the last laugh?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 11, 2006, 02:36:45 PM
According to a Dem staffer who commented in The Hill, Raj called Schwartz a "liberal bi--h" and said he didn't care about the race anymore. I at least have to thank him for the laughs with the whole liberal comment.

My chance of voting for him just went from about 10% to 0%!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: NewFederalist on August 11, 2006, 02:45:38 PM
Raj ought to join a fringe party so he could give them a bad name! :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 24, 2006, 10:28:32 PM
Since this year's race has already been decided and neither candidate arouses much passion in the PA 13 regulars, I have decided to start a scenario - a 2004 alternative. Hopefully, this will serve as some PA 13 entertainment for those interested in this district. I'm going to write my scenario and follow the commentary in response to my updates. Feel free to chime in whenever and even write your own story. All I ask is that you hold off on your alternative story until I am finished mine. I will start some time tonight.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 26, 2006, 01:30:33 AM
The 13th in '04 - A very different race

Please note that this is my version of an alternative '04 race. Some things might not seem likely but remember that this is supposed to be a more interesting than usual scenario. Enjoy!

A history of the current 13th Congressional district of Pennsylvania

In 2002, the GOP led state legislature redrew Congressional districts and made the 13th a GOP favored area which was made up of most of Northeast Philadelphia and parts of Montgomery county. Hoping to cause chaos amongst Democrats, the Republicans threw two incumbent Congressmen into the same district. They are Bob Borski, the Congressman representing Northeast Philadelphia for twenty years and Joe Hoeffel, a two term Montgomery country Congressman. The plan backfired, however, as Borski stepped aside for Hoeffel. GOP leaders had thought that Borski would run and win the primary and then run as a weak candidate in Montgomery county. Hoeffel made his way to the General unopposed in the primary while Republicans Melissa Brown and Al Taubenberger slugged it out. Brown beat Taubenberger but went on to be defeated by Hoeffel in the General by four points - 51% to 47% with 2% going to a conservative third party candidate.


July 8, 2003 - The 13th is thrown upside down

Joe Hoeffel shocks the political establishment by declaring his candidacy for the U.S. Senate. Politicos, especially Democrats, are thrown into a confused state as they don't know who they will run in what will now become a hotly contested open seat race. "We honestly did not see this coming," remarks Philadelphia Democratic Chair Bob Brady, who happens to also be one of Hoeffel's colleagues in the House.


July 9, 2003

Just a day has gone by and four individuals have stated that they are looking into the race:

State Senator Allyson Schwartz of Philadelphia

()

State Representative Mark Cohen of Philadelphia

()

2002 nominee Melissa Brown

()

NE Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce President Al Taubenberger

()


One individual took it a step further. Joe McColgan, 1990 and 1996 nominee for Congress in the old 3rd district, declared the day of Hoeffel's announcement that he would be a candidate. "I'm not exploring anything. I am in this race. I'll let the others sit on their hands. I'm running now," commented McColgan in a press conference held outside his Northeast Philadelphia residence.

Joe McColgan

()


July 13, 2003

A week has passed and two new potential candidates have commented on their status, all of which are in favor of "exploring" the race. They are:

Joe Torsella

()

Scott Rutter

()


While Torsella and Rutter explore a run, Brown and Taubenberger have joined McColgan in officially declaring their respective candidacies. Cohen and Schwartz still wait and for good reason: they have been given a warning...


July 15, 2003

The PA Democratic party's leader, T.J. Rooney, announces from a Democratic fundraiser in Center City that all Democrats considering a run for Congress in the 13th should put an immediate halt to their campaign building. "This year is about unity. We have narrowed the candidates that we are considering for endorsement down now and we ask that all others respect our decision. We will make our endorsement announcement within the next week." Schwartz and Cohen respectfully put their campaign building operations on hold out of respect for the party wishes as their Republican counterparts continue to grow their teams.

July 18, 2003

City Controller Jonathan Saidel gives The Philadelphia Inquirer an exclusive interview. Saidel tells the paper that he will be a candidate for Congress in the 13th district and that he has already started to build his team and shape his message. "I am already working on getting my message out to the voters in the district. I intend to win this nomination and keep this seat in Democratic hands. Let the games begin," remarked Saidel. Both the Schwartz and Cohen camps are crushed by the news and see this as a sign that the Democratic party wants Saidel as the nominee. Cohen drops his bid on the same day of the paper's release while Schwartz holds out though she admits to campaign aides that it looks like "the end is near."

The instant frontrunner - Jonathan Saidel

()


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 26, 2006, 11:17:58 AM
I knew Saidel has shown interest in the past, but I do think the fact he is in fact pro-life would hurt him with the nomination.  I think Schwartz would challenge him. I'm surprised you didn't mention Mike McGeehan as a nominee.  While he would do well east of Roosevelt Blvd., he would get crushed everywhere else again- social issues.  He was a potential candidate at one point. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 28, 2006, 07:35:56 PM
And you thought PA 13 was dead....

http://www.phillyblog.com/philly/showthread.php?t=23132


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2006, 07:43:29 PM
All I have to say is that if any Republican made that comment, Flyers, you'd be calling him or her a racist. You know what I'm talking about. I liked your one post about Brown backers not voting for Raj.  :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 15, 2006, 01:31:33 AM
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v616/enso1pbs/?action-view&current=raj.jpg

This is kinda funny!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 15, 2006, 09:40:13 AM

Picture not showing.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2006, 12:38:55 PM

This race is too hard to tell because of the residential lawn signs.  I did see more with Melissa Brown even at this point, but then again Schwartz had mroe at this point in 2004 too.  I wish someone ran a poll for this race.  I do think people have their minds made up as to who they're voting for though.

You know I hate to admit this but Raj has more lawn signs up than Brown did and they are spread across the NE. I think I even saw a few in Buselton!

I wish there was a poll, too, but I don't think any independent polling will be conducted. I'm surprised no internals have been released.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on September 24, 2006, 12:51:31 PM
Lawn signs don't make much of an impact on a House or Senate race. They do in local races with candidates with low name rec.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2006, 12:55:20 PM
Lawn signs don't make much of an impact on a House or Senate race. They do in local races with candidates with low name rec.

That is not true at all. Allyson Schwartz had low name recognition in our district in 2004 and her signs had a big impact. You couldn't find a major road in our area without her signs being placed every two feet. People see the names and remember them when they go to vote. That was a huge help for Schwartz and it will help Raj.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on September 24, 2006, 01:13:13 PM
Lawn signs don't make much of an impact on a House or Senate race. They do in local races with candidates with low name rec.

That is not true at all. Allyson Schwartz had low name recognition in our district in 2004 and her signs had a big impact. You couldn't find a major road in our area without her signs being placed every two feet. People see the names and remember them when they go to vote. That was a huge help for Schwartz and it will help Raj.


You just proved my point. Lawn signs only help candidates with low name recognition. They'll help Raj but they won't help Schwarz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2006, 01:25:34 PM
Lawn signs don't make much of an impact on a House or Senate race. They do in local races with candidates with low name rec.

That is not true at all. Allyson Schwartz had low name recognition in our district in 2004 and her signs had a big impact. You couldn't find a major road in our area without her signs being placed every two feet. People see the names and remember them when they go to vote. That was a huge help for Schwartz and it will help Raj.


You just proved my point. Lawn signs only help candidates with low name recognition. They'll help Raj but they won't help Schwarz.

Let's go over a few things here. I did not prove your point. I said that the signs help Raj while you said they don't help House candidates in an earlier post. Now you say it will help him because of low name recognition. Which one is it? If anything, you argued against your own point. I think we believe the same thing but you didn't state that originally. Secondly, I used Schwartz as an example in 2004 because of her low name recognition. Again, she was a House candidate and you said it didn't help them. I brought her signs up this time because they are necessary to counter Raj's increase in recognition. Schwartz isn't that well known yet.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2006, 06:01:49 PM
Like 2004 with Melissa Brown, Raj is localizing this campaign with success I never thought possible.  I thought with Rendell/Casey at the top of the ticket and the national anti-GOP climate, Schwartz would be able to get 65% of the vote at least.  I really don't think that will happen now.  I hate to bring this up, but Raj scored HUGE points after the Officer Gary Skerski killing at a local Irish pub by a 23 year old black man months ago.  I know this is a tragedy, but Raj brilliantly started this "Save the Northeast" campaign conveniently right after that and made brought police/violence issues to the forefront.  One thing with NE Philly politics that usually holds constant is that someone can bring up Section 8 and/or cop killings and score huge points by addressing it.

In my opinon, this will sadly nullify what should be a huge Schwartz advantage and might even damper her 2010 Senate prospects.  Schwartz now has to campaign if she wants to keep her seat and run for Senate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2006, 09:02:16 PM

In my opinon, this will sadly nullify what should be a huge Schwartz advantage and might even damper her 2010 Senate prospects.  Schwartz now has to campaign if she wants to keep her seat and run for Senate.

This will damper 2010 for Schwartz. Like you said, she actually has to work now and even after that work she might not break 60% (I don't think she will). She has to hope the GOP puts up a really weak candidate in 2008 to energize her base for a Senate run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 24, 2006, 09:14:52 PM

In my opinon, this will sadly nullify what should be a huge Schwartz advantage and might even damper her 2010 Senate prospects.  Schwartz now has to campaign if she wants to keep her seat and run for Senate.

This will damper 2010 for Schwartz. Like you said, she actually has to work now and even after that work she might not break 60% (I don't think she will). She has to hope the GOP puts up a really weak candidate in 2008 to energize her base for a Senate run.

If the GOP puts up McCain or Giuliani and the GOP Congressional candidate is moderate enough, Schwartz could still be in trouble.  The only reason I think she'll win by double digits (10-15) is the top of the ticket plus the national climate.  Raj is slaughtering her with residential lawn signs, but then again Brown had more than Schwartz in 2004. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 24, 2006, 09:20:38 PM
but then again Brown had more than Schwartz in 2004. 

Yes but Brown didn't have nearly as much.



If the GOP puts up McCain or Giuliani and the GOP Congressional candidate is moderate enough, Schwartz could still be in trouble. 

She absolutely would be in trouble. She wouldn't lose but we could be looking at an six to eight point race especially if Raj only loses by twelve or so this time.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 25, 2006, 10:19:49 PM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 25, 2006, 10:58:43 PM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)

For you guys it's a shame the national party forgot about this race.  Look, I fully realize this is not CA 8 or PA 1 and the GOP has some life here.  If Bush was hovering around 50% approval or better, I would take Raj very seriously at this point.  I've driven up Rhawn and Cottman and seen a lot of Raj signs while Schwartz signs are virtually nil.  I think Allyson needs to whip out her war chest and quash Raj now.  If not this will hurt her Senate chances in 2010.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 25, 2006, 11:15:14 PM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)

For you guys it's a shame the national party forgot about this race.  Look, I fully realize this is not CA 8 or PA 1 and the GOP has some life here.  If Bush was hovering around 50% approval or better, I would take Raj very seriously at this point.  I've driven up Rhawn and Cottman and seen a lot of Raj signs while Schwartz signs are virtually nil.  I think Allyson needs to whip out her war chest and quash Raj now.  If not this will hurt her Senate chances in 2010.

Look for a late ad blitz and check out the Boulevard for tons of Schwartz (and Rendell) signs.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 26, 2006, 05:38:09 AM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)

For you guys it's a shame the national party forgot about this race.  Look, I fully realize this is not CA 8 or PA 1 and the GOP has some life here.  If Bush was hovering around 50% approval or better, I would take Raj very seriously at this point.  I've driven up Rhawn and Cottman and seen a lot of Raj signs while Schwartz signs are virtually nil.  I think Allyson needs to whip out her war chest and quash Raj now.  If not this will hurt her Senate chances in 2010.

Look for a late ad blitz and check out the Boulevard for tons of Schwartz (and Rendell) signs.

That's my guess as well.  Schwartz should have did some earlier campaigning just to keep Raj in check.  It seems Raj is holding a lot of Town Hall meeting and people are responding favorably.  The guy hustles and I have to give him a lot of credit for running an uphill battle despite the fact I think his tactics are cheap. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on September 26, 2006, 08:59:44 AM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)

For you guys it's a shame the national party forgot about this race.  Look, I fully realize this is not CA 8 or PA 1 and the GOP has some life here.  If Bush was hovering around 50% approval or better, I would take Raj very seriously at this point.  I've driven up Rhawn and Cottman and seen a lot of Raj signs while Schwartz signs are virtually nil.  I think Allyson needs to whip out her war chest and quash Raj now.  If not this will hurt her Senate chances in 2010.

Look for a late ad blitz and check out the Boulevard for tons of Schwartz (and Rendell) signs.

That's my guess as well.  Schwartz should have did some earlier campaigning just to keep Raj in check.  It seems Raj is holding a lot of Town Hall meeting and people are responding favorably.  The guy hustles and I have to give him a lot of credit for running an uphill battle despite the fact I think his tactics are cheap. 

Did we ever expect so much agreement in this thread between the two of us?  ;)  Think about how things were just a year ago!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 01, 2006, 12:08:10 PM
The forgotten race - http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/113-09252006-717946.html)

For you guys it's a shame the national party forgot about this race.  Look, I fully realize this is not CA 8 or PA 1 and the GOP has some life here.  If Bush was hovering around 50% approval or better, I would take Raj very seriously at this point.  I've driven up Rhawn and Cottman and seen a lot of Raj signs while Schwartz signs are virtually nil.  I think Allyson needs to whip out her war chest and quash Raj now.  If not this will hurt her Senate chances in 2010.

Look for a late ad blitz and check out the Boulevard for tons of Schwartz (and Rendell) signs.

That's my guess as well.  Schwartz should have did some earlier campaigning just to keep Raj in check.  It seems Raj is holding a lot of Town Hall meeting and people are responding favorably.  The guy hustles and I have to give him a lot of credit for running an uphill battle despite the fact I think his tactics are cheap. 

Did we ever expect so much agreement in this thread between the two of us?  ;)  Think about how things were just a year ago!

Seems Raj is doing the same sh**t you complained about 2 years ago with Allyson.  Drive by Holme Circle and Red Lion+Blvd. to see what I'm talking about.  I also seen a lot of Patrick Murphy signs on US 1 last night as I was driving to and from the Turnpike. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 01, 2006, 10:34:56 PM

Seems Raj is doing the same sh**t you complained about 2 years ago with Allyson.  Drive by Holme Circle and Red Lion+Blvd. to see what I'm talking about.  I also seen a lot of Patrick Murphy signs on US 1 last night as I was driving to and from the Turnpike. 

Yep, he is Schwartzing it up and it is very annoying. I've been on the Blvd a lot this weekend and saw all of his new signs up (terrible signs, by the way, with the red background and white letters. You can't make out a thing!). Murphy also has a good deal up by the Turnpike (have been traveling on that a great deal of the time, too, because of another campaign).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 02, 2006, 11:00:44 PM
Two years ago, at this time, PA 13 was beginning the end of its reign as one of the most important races in the country. Time sure does go by quickly...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2006, 12:34:32 AM
It sucks that no public polling was ever released in this race only because it means our predictions can't be based on all that much.

Raj campaigned his heart out. Whether we liked his tactics or not (and you know where I stand on this), he connected with people but it obviously will not be enough. Schwartz did hardly anything but she benefits from having a great year and a good TV ad for the final week. Schwartz won't break 60% (an important mark for her as she builds up for her Senate run) and Raj won't surprise anyone but it will be closer than originally thought.


Schwartz - 56%
Bhakta - 44%


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2006, 12:45:06 AM
It sucks that no public polling was ever released in this race only because it means our predictions can't be based on all that much.

Raj campaigned his heart out. Whether we liked his tactics or not (and you know where I stand on this), he connected with people but it obviously will not be enough. Schwartz did hardly anything but she benefits from having a great year and a good TV ad for the final week. Schwartz won't break 60% (an important mark for her as she builds up for her Senate run) and Raj won't surprise anyone but it will be closer than originally thought.


Schwartz - 56%
Bhakta - 44%

I'm going with:

Schwartz- 59%
Bhakta- 41%

I agree with your assessment and Schwartz should have campaigned more.  While Bhakta has popularity (and most of it undue), he campaigned hard, but it won't be enough.  If this were Congressional year such as 1994 AND the mid-term after a brutal mayor's race such as Rizzo-Goode 1987, we'd be looking at a probable GOP win.  Good thing for us Dems it's 2006 and we have a very strong top of ticket with Rendell-Casey to counteract a Raj upstart campaign.  I do think if Schwartz campaigned a la 2004 for this race, we'd be talking Schwartz in the mid 60s.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Platypus on November 03, 2006, 01:16:01 AM
Uh, wasn't that the guy from The Apprentice?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2006, 01:28:39 AM
Uh, wasn't that the guy from The Apprentice?

....yeah...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 04, 2006, 11:32:16 AM
Odds Schwartz will break 60%: 40%
Odds Schwartz will break 55%: 80%
Odds of Bhakta upset: 5%

All I can say on this race to make it interesting.  PA 13 WILL NEVER DIE!!!!  I just realized it's over 2 years now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 09, 2006, 11:47:11 PM
For the record, I wrote in State Representative John Taylor in this race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 22, 2006, 08:09:50 PM
Now that the election is over, I'm going to start working on the 2004 scenario again....



The 13th in '04 - A very different race

Please note that this is my version of an alternative '04 race. Some things might not seem likely but remember that this is supposed to be a more interesting than usual scenario. Enjoy!

A history of the current 13th Congressional district of Pennsylvania

In 2002, the GOP led state legislature redrew Congressional districts and made the 13th a GOP favored area which was made up of most of Northeast Philadelphia and parts of Montgomery county. Hoping to cause chaos amongst Democrats, the Republicans threw two incumbent Congressmen into the same district. They are Bob Borski, the Congressman representing Northeast Philadelphia for twenty years and Joe Hoeffel, a two term Montgomery country Congressman. The plan backfired, however, as Borski stepped aside for Hoeffel. GOP leaders had thought that Borski would run and win the primary and then run as a weak candidate in Montgomery county. Hoeffel made his way to the General unopposed in the primary while Republicans Melissa Brown and Al Taubenberger slugged it out. Brown beat Taubenberger but went on to be defeated by Hoeffel in the General by four points - 51% to 47% with 2% going to a conservative third party candidate.


July 8, 2003 - The 13th is thrown upside down

Joe Hoeffel shocks the political establishment by declaring his candidacy for the U.S. Senate. Politicos, especially Democrats, are thrown into a confused state as they don't know who they will run in what will now become a hotly contested open seat race. "We honestly did not see this coming," remarks Philadelphia Democratic Chair Bob Brady, who happens to also be one of Hoeffel's colleagues in the House.


July 9, 2003

Just a day has gone by and four individuals have stated that they are looking into the race:

State Senator Allyson Schwartz of Philadelphia

()

State Representative Mark Cohen of Philadelphia

()

2002 nominee Melissa Brown

()

NE Philadelphia Chamber of Commerce President Al Taubenberger

()


One individual took it a step further. Joe McColgan, 1990 and 1996 nominee for Congress in the old 3rd district, declared the day of Hoeffel's announcement that he would be a candidate. "I'm not exploring anything. I am in this race. I'll let the others sit on their hands. I'm running now," commented McColgan in a press conference held outside his Northeast Philadelphia residence.

Joe McColgan

()


July 13, 2003

A week has passed and two new potential candidates have commented on their status, all of which are in favor of "exploring" the race. They are:

Joe Torsella

()

Scott Rutter

()


While Torsella and Rutter explore a run, Brown and Taubenberger have joined McColgan in officially declaring their respective candidacies. Cohen and Schwartz still wait and for good reason: they have been given a warning...


July 15, 2003

The PA Democratic party's leader, T.J. Rooney, announces from a Democratic fundraiser in Center City that all Democrats considering a run for Congress in the 13th should put an immediate halt to their campaign building. "This year is about unity. We have narrowed the candidates that we are considering for endorsement down now and we ask that all others respect our decision. We will make our endorsement announcement within the next week." Schwartz and Cohen respectfully put their campaign building operations on hold out of respect for the party wishes as their Republican counterparts continue to grow their teams.

July 18, 2003

City Controller Jonathan Saidel gives The Philadelphia Inquirer an exclusive interview. Saidel tells the paper that he will be a candidate for Congress in the 13th district and that he has already started to build his team and shape his message. "I am already working on getting my message out to the voters in the district. I intend to win this nomination and keep this seat in Democratic hands. Let the games begin," remarked Saidel. Both the Schwartz and Cohen camps are crushed by the news and see this as a sign that the Democratic party wants Saidel as the nominee. Cohen drops his bid on the same day of the paper's release while Schwartz holds out though she admits to campaign aides that it looks like "the end is near."

The instant frontrunner - Jonathan Saidel

()



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 23, 2006, 01:47:34 PM
For the record Saidel and Schwartz are close.  I know Jon Saidel would NEVER run against Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 23, 2006, 01:49:19 PM
For the record Saidel and Schwartz are close.  I know Jon Saidel would NEVER run against Schwartz.

Uh, for the record again, I understand that. You really don't need to play this "I know this and that" game with me when I know far more than you to begin with. No need to be an annoying asshole as I try to create a scenario.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 23, 2006, 01:52:26 PM
For the record Saidel and Schwartz are close.  I know Jon Saidel would NEVER run against Schwartz.

Uh, for the record again, I understand that. You really don't need to play this "I know this and that" game with me when I know far more than you to begin with. No need to be an annoying asshole as I try to create a scenario.

Phil, please chill.  Wow, they rhyme!  I just thought I'd add what I know.  I realize you know a lot more things than I, but I thought I'd add my input to the discussion.  We talked about this the other day.  There's no need to go nuts on people.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 23, 2006, 01:54:06 PM
Also note, Flyers, that Schwartz put her campaign on hold to respect the wishes of the leadership before Saidel got in the race. Please follow the scenario a little closer to see what happens next...


For the record Saidel and Schwartz are close.  I know Jon Saidel would NEVER run against Schwartz.

Uh, for the record again, I understand that. You really don't need to play this "I know this and that" game with me when I know far more than you to begin with. No need to be an annoying asshole as I try to create a scenario.

Phil, please chill.  Wow, they rhyme!  I just thought I'd add what I know.  I realize you know a lot more things than I, but I thought I'd add my input to the discussion.  We talked about this the other day.  There's no need to go nuts on people.

You have already added that before, I believe, and I told you to follow the scenario. I really don't need to constantly hear, "Well I know they'd NEVER do that in real life..."

I'm not going nuts. I would just appreciate it if you didn't jump on what I'm doing with what would "really" happen.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 02, 2006, 03:58:06 PM


July 19, 2003 - Dem Chairman Rooney speaks to the press, alerting them that Jonathan Saidel is not their handpicked candidate. Rooney states that he and Philly Dem Chairman Bob Brady tried contacting Saidel but could not reach him. Rooney comments that he hopes to sit down with Saidel and discuss the race but makes it clear that Philadelphia Controller will not have the endorsement.



July 25, 2003 -  With about a week of campaigning accomplished, Saidel tells a labor sponosored town hall meeting that he can feel the momentum with his campaign. When asked about his opponents, he invites them to start campaigning again. "I don't know who told them to stop. I'm in this until the end. I like these people and I pledge to run the cleanest campaign this area has ever seen. I'm not going to attack friends so they can stop hiding," Saidel proclaims as the crowd laughs and bursts into applause.

The Schwartz campaign is growing restless. It has now been roughly a week since Saidel's entrance and their campaigns have been stuck in the awkward situation. Rooney has called every Democratic campaign, urging the candidates to stay put but Senator Schwartz herself seems bothered by the requests. "There is a candidate out there contacting voters, getting the attention, gathering major support. We're not going to sit around much longer. This should have been handled in a much better fashion," Schwartz tells local newspaper reporters.



July 28, 2003 - Joe Torsella decides against a run, stating among several reasons that he did not want to add to the turmoil which has already broken out within Democratic ranks. This move comes as a surprise as the Montgomery county establishment was pushing  for the former President of the National Constitution Center to enter the race.

Melissa Brown, Al Taubenberger, Joe McColgan and Scott Rutter have an unusual sit down at the Philadelphia Republican Club in Northeast Philadelphia. The event was hosted by the Philly GOP in hopes that the candidates would promise a fair campaign. When the four emerged from their meeting, Rutter was the first to speak to the gathered voluneteers, party leadership and a local newspaper reporter. "We promised each other a clean fight. The last thing we want, and the last thing that will happen to this party, is a turn towards the mess that we can currently call the Democratic party," Rutter shouts. The crowd joins in with enthusiastic applause.


August 8, 2003 - The announcement has been made - The Democratic leadership has found their candidate. The leadership choses the historic Glen Foerd mansion in Northeast Philadelphia as the location for the announcement. In attendance: Several local labor leaders, neighborhood civic Presidents, Chairman Rooney and Chairman Brady. The Montgomery county Democratic party chairman was absent, stating his organization's open vote to endorse which takes place in January 2004.

"We have found our man," Rooney shouts as the small crowd of neighbors cheer. Looking into the news cameras, Rooney continues, "This man needs no introduction. His name and work as an elected official speak volumes. Ladies and gentleman of Pennsylvania's Thirteenth Congressional district, please welcome back an old friend and your next Congressman..."




Rooney pauses.




"...Bob Borski!"

()


The crowd cheers, "Go Bob Go!" as the former Congressman approaches the podium. "Well, I'm glad that secret is out," Borski replies to the chants. "When I arrived here, there were still many people that didn't know I was the candidate. Everyone is so used to me just showing up at these party events...I'm glad I got to surprise some of you! I have another surprise though and it's for the Republicans - I'm running and I'm going to win.[/b]


The new frontrunner -  Robert Borski



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2006, 11:59:56 AM
Allyson Schwartz - member of the Ways and Means committee - Gets some major influence but also has the burden of possibly voting for tax increases in committee.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: True Democrat on December 17, 2006, 12:20:08 PM
It sucks that no public polling was ever released in this race only because it means our predictions can't be based on all that much.

Raj campaigned his heart out. Whether we liked his tactics or not (and you know where I stand on this), he connected with people but it obviously will not be enough. Schwartz did hardly anything but she benefits from having a great year and a good TV ad for the final week. Schwartz won't break 60% (an important mark for her as she builds up for her Senate run) and Raj won't surprise anyone but it will be closer than originally thought.


Schwartz - 56%
Bhakta - 44%

I'm going with:

Schwartz- 59%
Bhakta- 41%

I agree with your assessment and Schwartz should have campaigned more.  While Bhakta has popularity (and most of it undue), he campaigned hard, but it won't be enough.  If this were Congressional year such as 1994 AND the mid-term after a brutal mayor's race such as Rizzo-Goode 1987, we'd be looking at a probable GOP win.  Good thing for us Dems it's 2006 and we have a very strong top of ticket with Rendell-Casey to counteract a Raj upstart campaign.  I do think if Schwartz campaigned a la 2004 for this race, we'd be talking Schwartz in the mid 60s.

And the final result was. . .

Schwartz: 66%
Bhakta: 34%

And Phil before you get all pissy, this isn't meant to be an insult to you, it's just an observation.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 17, 2006, 12:30:39 PM
It sucks that no public polling was ever released in this race only because it means our predictions can't be based on all that much.

Raj campaigned his heart out. Whether we liked his tactics or not (and you know where I stand on this), he connected with people but it obviously will not be enough. Schwartz did hardly anything but she benefits from having a great year and a good TV ad for the final week. Schwartz won't break 60% (an important mark for her as she builds up for her Senate run) and Raj won't surprise anyone but it will be closer than originally thought.


Schwartz - 56%
Bhakta - 44%

I'm going with:

Schwartz- 59%
Bhakta- 41%

I agree with your assessment and Schwartz should have campaigned more.  While Bhakta has popularity (and most of it undue), he campaigned hard, but it won't be enough.  If this were Congressional year such as 1994 AND the mid-term after a brutal mayor's race such as Rizzo-Goode 1987, we'd be looking at a probable GOP win.  Good thing for us Dems it's 2006 and we have a very strong top of ticket with Rendell-Casey to counteract a Raj upstart campaign.  I do think if Schwartz campaigned a la 2004 for this race, we'd be talking Schwartz in the mid 60s.

And the final result was. . .

Schwartz: 66%
Bhakta: 34%

And Phil before you get all pissy, this isn't meant to be an insult to you, it's just an observation.

TD, we've gone over this before but...thanks.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Chesco ABB on March 07, 2007, 11:39:16 PM
I can't believe I'm actually posting in PA-13, let alone bumping it, but I was wondering what Republican candidates might surface to challenge Schwartz in 2008. I would guess that the GOP will put their priorities elsewhere, but I'll defer to those who know much more about the topic than I.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on March 08, 2007, 10:13:57 AM
On the plus side for Republicans, whoever they choose can't be more embarassing than Raj Bhakta.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 08, 2007, 08:17:22 PM
On the plus side for Republicans, whoever they choose can't be more embarassing than Raj Bhakta.

I agree they couldn't do much worse. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: SPC on July 05, 2007, 03:59:32 PM
Bumped.

Since I ahve better things to do than to read this thread, could someone giveme a SparkNotes of what happened?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 05, 2007, 04:07:15 PM
Raj for District 13 Again!!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 05, 2007, 04:57:21 PM

He ran quite possibly one of the worst campaigns a GOPer ever ran around here in history.  He hit the right issues and had me a bit nervous, but he was also seen as a joke.  Even the more conservative Democrat and more well-liked (at least in NE Philly) Bob Borski had smaller margins of victory in the past than what Allyson Schwartz had over Raj. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 05, 2007, 07:00:40 PM

He ran quite possibly one of the worst campaigns a GOPer ever ran around here in history.  He hit the right issues and had me a bit nervous, but he was also seen as a joke.  Even the more conservative Democrat and more well-liked (at least in NE Philly) Bob Borski had smaller margins of victory in the past than what Allyson Schwartz had over Raj. 

Remember how we thought this one could end up closer than expected?

Raj and his team worked hard but yes, he was seen as the joke that he is. He annoyed local grassroots activists and regular voters with his antics. No doubt that Schwartz's huge victory was partially because of the good year for her party but Raj being a joke was also a reason why people stuck with Schwartz...and she didn't even have to work for it.

DWTL, you're absolutely crazy for suggesting Raj for Congress again (though it may happen).

South Park Conservative, a SparkNotes type of summay would do no justice. We don't believe in that.  ;)  Go read through the whole thread (as long as it may take) if you really want to experience PA 13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 06, 2007, 02:00:20 PM

He ran quite possibly one of the worst campaigns a GOPer ever ran around here in history.  He hit the right issues and had me a bit nervous, but he was also seen as a joke.  Even the more conservative Democrat and more well-liked (at least in NE Philly) Bob Borski had smaller margins of victory in the past than what Allyson Schwartz had over Raj. 

Remember how we thought this one could end up closer than expected?

Raj and his team worked hard but yes, he was seen as the joke that he is. He annoyed local grassroots activists and regular voters with his antics. No doubt that Schwartz's huge victory was partially because of the good year for her party but Raj being a joke was also a reason why people stuck with Schwartz...and she didn't even have to work for it.

DWTL, you're absolutely crazy for suggesting Raj for Congress again (though it may happen).

South Park Conservative, a SparkNotes type of summay would do no justice. We don't believe in that.  ;)  Go read through the whole thread (as long as it may take) if you really want to experience PA 13.

I'm surprised you didn't say this yet....

Tauben
   berger

Actually he has a snowball's chance in hell getting elected mayor BUT  he could gain points as the white candidate running for mayor and make more of a name for himself if he were to run for Congress.  Hate to bring race into this, but I could see that as a reason Tauben
                                                                                       berger is running.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 06, 2007, 04:17:39 PM

He ran quite possibly one of the worst campaigns a GOPer ever ran around here in history.  He hit the right issues and had me a bit nervous, but he was also seen as a joke.  Even the more conservative Democrat and more well-liked (at least in NE Philly) Bob Borski had smaller margins of victory in the past than what Allyson Schwartz had over Raj. 

Remember how we thought this one could end up closer than expected?

Raj and his team worked hard but yes, he was seen as the joke that he is. He annoyed local grassroots activists and regular voters with his antics. No doubt that Schwartz's huge victory was partially because of the good year for her party but Raj being a joke was also a reason why people stuck with Schwartz...and she didn't even have to work for it.

DWTL, you're absolutely crazy for suggesting Raj for Congress again (though it may happen).

South Park Conservative, a SparkNotes type of summay would do no justice. We don't believe in that.  ;)  Go read through the whole thread (as long as it may take) if you really want to experience PA 13.

I'm surprised you didn't say this yet....

Tauben
   berger

Actually he has a snowball's chance in hell getting elected mayor BUT  he could gain points as the white candidate running for mayor and make more of a name for himself if he were to run for Congress.  Hate to bring race into this, but I could see that as a reason Tauben
                                                                                       berger is running.

Makes plenty of sense though he's really running because he is a loyal soldier.

I love seeing those signs again. A local committeeman has one on his lawn. I see it everyday on the way to work.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on July 08, 2007, 02:55:14 PM
Ah, PA 13.

When is the movie version of this thread coming out?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on July 15, 2007, 06:17:18 PM
BUMP


Come on guys! Only 1050 more posts until PA 13 ties for largest thread in the history of the Atlas and yet I find it on PAGE TWO of the Congressional Elections board?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 15, 2007, 09:44:27 PM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 16, 2007, 12:24:16 AM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is unopposed in 2008.  I would officially call PA-13 a solidly Democratic district.   It is as Democratic as PA-10 is Republican and I don't see Schwartz choking anybody in the near future.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 16, 2007, 01:02:48 AM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is unopposed in 2008.  I would officially call PA-13 a solidly Democratic district.   It is as Democratic as PA-10 is Republican and I don't see Schwartz choking anybody in the near future.

Schwartz will easily win next year but the GOP won't give her a pass. That would make her too strong in 2010 (Senate campaign).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 07, 2007, 06:42:02 PM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is unopposed in 2008.  I would officially call PA-13 a solidly Democratic district.   It is as Democratic as PA-10 is Republican and I don't see Schwartz choking anybody in the near future.

Schwartz will easily win next year but the GOP won't give her a pass. That would make her too strong in 2010 (Senate campaign).

Ehh, the GOP will devote resources elsewhere.  You are right about the Senate campaign, but the only candidates who could give her a run would expose their seats for easy Dem pickups.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2007, 06:45:03 PM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is unopposed in 2008.  I would officially call PA-13 a solidly Democratic district.   It is as Democratic as PA-10 is Republican and I don't see Schwartz choking anybody in the near future.

Schwartz will easily win next year but the GOP won't give her a pass. That would make her too strong in 2010 (Senate campaign).

Ehh, the GOP will devote resources elsewhere.  You are right about the Senate campaign, but the only candidates who could give her a run would expose their seats for easy Dem pickups.

Of course they will send their resources elsewhere but what I said was that they wouldn't give her a pass (as in no opponent).

You are crazy to think that the only candidates that would give her a run (note how you don't even think they'd beat her) would end up leaving their seats as easy Dem pickups. Pure delusion.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 08, 2007, 06:47:10 PM
In case anyone missed it, Allyson Schwartz won by 14.4 points in 2004.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 08, 2007, 09:44:04 PM
We'll be the largest thread eventually. Once Republicans start declaring for the seat (I highly doubt we'll let Schwartz go without opposition), conversation will pick up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Schwartz is unopposed in 2008.  I would officially call PA-13 a solidly Democratic district.   It is as Democratic as PA-10 is Republican and I don't see Schwartz choking anybody in the near future.

Schwartz will easily win next year but the GOP won't give her a pass. That would make her too strong in 2010 (Senate campaign).

Ehh, the GOP will devote resources elsewhere.  You are right about the Senate campaign, but the only candidates who could give her a run would expose their seats for easy Dem pickups.

Of course they will send their resources elsewhere but what I said was that they wouldn't give her a pass (as in no opponent).

You are crazy to think that the only candidates that would give her a run (note how you don't even think they'd beat her) would end up leaving their seats as easy Dem pickups. Pure delusion.

Barring a 1994 type scenario, there is no way a Republican could beat her at theis point.  There COULD be localized support for certain candidates, but that's about it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
Barring a 1994 type scenario, there is no way a Republican could beat her at theis point.  There COULD be localized support for certain candidates, but that's about it.

Wait...I was under the assumption that you were talking about a U.S. Senate race with Schwartz and saying that any other Congressman that would challenge her would certainly lose their seat to the Dems and struggle to beat Schwartz. Misunderstanding on my part.


In case anyone missed it, Allyson Schwartz won by 14.4 points in 2004.

In case you or anyone else missed it (which is usually the case), we discuss this because it is interesting, regardless of the outcome.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 12, 2007, 06:46:57 PM
Barring a 1994 type scenario, there is no way a Republican could beat her at theis point.  There COULD be localized support for certain candidates, but that's about it.

Wait...I was under the assumption that you were talking about a U.S. Senate race with Schwartz and saying that any other Congressman that would challenge her would certainly lose their seat to the Dems and struggle to beat Schwartz. Misunderstanding on my part.


In case anyone missed it, Allyson Schwartz won by 14.4 points in 2004.

In case you or anyone else missed it (which is usually the case), we discuss this because it is interesting, regardless of the outcome.

I know Allyson Schwartz will have a tough run at the Senate unless that candidate is corrupt or ultra-conservative.  Of the liberal candidates however, she'd be 2nd to Rendell in terms of electability, 3rd being Sestak.  We're not talking Holden or Kanjorski who would do better in other parts of the state.  I think Pat Murphy could make a run in the 2010s, but he'd need more experience before considering it. 

For Congress now, Allyson is too well established and even a Taylor/O'Brien would merely crack 40% if they're lucky at this point. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 12, 2007, 06:55:36 PM


I know Allyson Schwartz will have a tough run at the Senate unless that candidate is corrupt or ultra-conservative.  Of the liberal candidates however, she'd be 2nd to Rendell in terms of electability, 3rd being Sestak.  We're not talking Holden or Kanjorski who would do better in other parts of the state.  I think Pat Murphy could make a run in the 2010s, but he'd need more experience before considering it.

I think Sestak is more electable. 

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For Congress now, Allyson is too well established and even a Taylor/O'Brien would merely crack 40% if they're lucky at this point. 

Taylor and O'Brien would crack 40% but wouldn't do much better. It's a moot point, though. Apparently, Raj is coming back.  ::)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 12, 2007, 09:03:52 PM


I know Allyson Schwartz will have a tough run at the Senate unless that candidate is corrupt or ultra-conservative.  Of the liberal candidates however, she'd be 2nd to Rendell in terms of electability, 3rd being Sestak.  We're not talking Holden or Kanjorski who would do better in other parts of the state.  I think Pat Murphy could make a run in the 2010s, but he'd need more experience before considering it.

I think Sestak is more electable. 

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For Congress now, Allyson is too well established and even a Taylor/O'Brien would merely crack 40% if they're lucky at this point. 

Taylor and O'Brien would crack 40% but wouldn't do much better. It's a moot point, though. Apparently, Raj is coming back.  ::)

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 12, 2007, 10:17:16 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 12, 2007, 10:55:56 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.

Yeah if you guys nominated that joke, your party would look even worse.  I would be pissed if I were a Republican and he was the nominee.  It would be like Cynthia McKinney running in PA 13 as a Dem.  Well, not that bad, but still I'd be pissed.  Raj seems to have made headway with younger women though! :P Means little. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 12, 2007, 11:00:56 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.

Yeah if you guys nominated that joke, your party would look even worse.  I would be pissed if I were a Republican and he was the nominee.  It would be like Cynthia McKinney running in PA 13 as a Dem.  Well, not that bad, but still I'd be pissed.  Raj seems to have made headway with younger women though! :P Means little. 

Yeah, well, the stories about him and the younger women don't help him that much. ::)   Senior citizens in the district probably saw the guy as this young guy with this young campaign team running just for fun. That's probably a main reason why he couldn't reach 40% against Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 13, 2007, 07:21:06 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.

Yeah if you guys nominated that joke, your party would look even worse.  I would be pissed if I were a Republican and he was the nominee.  It would be like Cynthia McKinney running in PA 13 as a Dem.  Well, not that bad, but still I'd be pissed.  Raj seems to have made headway with younger women though! :P Means little. 

Yeah, well, the stories about him and the younger women don't help him that much. ::)   Senior citizens in the district probably saw the guy as this young guy with this young campaign team running just for fun. That's probably a main reason why he couldn't reach 40% against Schwartz.

And that's what I saw it as.  A Taubenberger would add an element of seriousness to the GOP nominee and crack 40% in a normal year.  The elephant thing in Texas/Mexico was just a bad joke and likely did him in.  It seemed like he was all over the place.  He would have done well to stick with "Save the Northeast."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 13, 2007, 09:01:21 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.

Yeah if you guys nominated that joke, your party would look even worse.  I would be pissed if I were a Republican and he was the nominee.  It would be like Cynthia McKinney running in PA 13 as a Dem.  Well, not that bad, but still I'd be pissed.  Raj seems to have made headway with younger women though! :P Means little. 

Yeah, well, the stories about him and the younger women don't help him that much. ::)   Senior citizens in the district probably saw the guy as this young guy with this young campaign team running just for fun. That's probably a main reason why he couldn't reach 40% against Schwartz.

And that's what I saw it as.  A Taubenberger would add an element of seriousness to the GOP nominee and crack 40% in a normal year.  The elephant thing in Texas/Mexico was just a bad joke and likely did him in.  It seemed like he was all over the place.  He would have done well to stick with "Save the Northeast."

The elephant stunt was bad but he was perceived as a joke before that. Remember the DUI and bar stories?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 13, 2007, 09:09:44 PM


HAHAHAHAHAHA! Really?  Seems you guys decided to give up on PA 13.  I think Taubenberger would be a better choice, but who am I to say.

While I don't want any real resources committed to the 13th unless Schwartz was to get into major trouble, letting Raj back is a disgrace. If Taubenberger runs for Congress again and it's an Al vs. Raj primary, I'm all for Al. The very least we deserve here is a respectable candidate.

Yeah if you guys nominated that joke, your party would look even worse.  I would be pissed if I were a Republican and he was the nominee.  It would be like Cynthia McKinney running in PA 13 as a Dem.  Well, not that bad, but still I'd be pissed.  Raj seems to have made headway with younger women though! :P Means little. 

Yeah, well, the stories about him and the younger women don't help him that much. ::)   Senior citizens in the district probably saw the guy as this young guy with this young campaign team running just for fun. That's probably a main reason why he couldn't reach 40% against Schwartz.

And that's what I saw it as.  A Taubenberger would add an element of seriousness to the GOP nominee and crack 40% in a normal year.  The elephant thing in Texas/Mexico was just a bad joke and likely did him in.  It seemed like he was all over the place.  He would have done well to stick with "Save the Northeast."

The elephant stunt was bad but he was perceived as a joke before that. Remember the DUI and bar stories?

Again, you guys should have had better.  I mean a woman who used to run an abortion clinic winning 69% in the Northeast Philly portion goes to show you how bad he truly was.  Not even Bob Borski got those numbers and he had more liberal areas.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 13, 2007, 09:11:01 PM


Again, you guys should have had better.  I mean a woman who used to run an abortion clinic winning 69% in the Northeast Philly portion goes to show you how bad he truly was.  Not even Bob Borski got those numbers and he had more liberal areas.

We should at least force her to spend some money, instead of helping her with a huge Senate war chest (though we do want her as the nominee  ;)  ).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 13, 2007, 09:15:45 PM


Again, you guys should have had better.  I mean a woman who used to run an abortion clinic winning 69% in the Northeast Philly portion goes to show you how bad he truly was.  Not even Bob Borski got those numbers and he had more liberal areas.

We should at least force her to spend some money, instead of helping her with a huge Senate war chest (though we do want her as the nominee  ;)  ).

If the GOP nominee is not Specter then yeah I want her too!  (Not in a Cougar way of course.)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 16, 2007, 12:39:02 PM
How about Ellen Bard?  She could probably at least get in the low 40s.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 16, 2007, 03:19:39 PM
How about Ellen Bard?  She could probably at least get in the low 40s.

Yet another situation where I wouldn't vote for the GOP nominee...

And, no, she won't run. She and Ally are basically the same. 2004 would have been the weirdest election if she was the nominee against Schwartz.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 17, 2007, 06:10:26 PM
How about Ellen Bard?  She could probably at least get in the low 40s.

She would actually have my vote over Bob Casey in a theoretical Senate race.  But Allyson's doing a good job.  No need to switch or primary her.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nini2287 on August 17, 2007, 09:23:04 PM
How about Ellen Bard?  She could probably at least get in the low 40s.

She would actually have my vote over Bob Casey in a theoretical Senate race.  But Allyson's doing a good job.  No need to switch or primary her.

She's still a Republican (as far as I know).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 19, 2007, 03:28:16 PM
How about Ellen Bard?  She could probably at least get in the low 40s.

She would actually have my vote over Bob Casey in a theoretical Senate race.  But Allyson's doing a good job.  No need to switch or primary her.

She's still a Republican (as far as I know).

Yeah...I don't know what Flyers is talking about.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on September 05, 2007, 09:31:56 PM
THIS IS THE THREAD THAT DOESN'T END. AND IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS.  SOME PEOPLE STARTED SINGING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IS WAS. LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!!!!


Title: We're back!
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2008, 07:08:15 PM
:)

Don't worry. There isn't much to this race but we did get some interesting news today - Schwartz may get primary from anti war activists -  http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html (http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html)

Schwartz isn't "Pro war" but I guess she isn't doing enough for some to end the war. She'd easily beat whoever they run. The woman has millions. It would be fun to watch though. As for this Marina Kats, she thought about running last time but never officially jumped into the race. The poor woman probably would get to about 30% against Schwartz in the General in a Presidential election year.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 16, 2008, 07:39:05 PM
How has PA 13 managed to warrant a discussion running into its 96th page?

Dave


Title: Re: We're back!
Post by: MarkWarner08 on January 16, 2008, 07:39:55 PM
:)

Don't worry. There isn't much to this race but we did get some interesting news today - Schwartz may get primary from anti war activists -  http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html (http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html)

Schwartz isn't "Pro war" but I guess she isn't doing enough for some to end the war. She'd easily beat whoever they run. The woman has millions. It would be fun to watch though. As for this Marina Kats, she thought about running last time but never officially jumped into the race. The poor woman probably would get to about 30% against Schwartz in the General in a Presidential election year.
Would the GOP nominate her?


Title: Re: We're back!
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2008, 07:58:05 PM
:)

Don't worry. There isn't much to this race but we did get some interesting news today - Schwartz may get primary from anti war activists -  http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html (http://www.northeasttimes.com/index.html)

Schwartz isn't "Pro war" but I guess she isn't doing enough for some to end the war. She'd easily beat whoever they run. The woman has millions. It would be fun to watch though. As for this Marina Kats, she thought about running last time but never officially jumped into the race. The poor woman probably would get to about 30% against Schwartz in the General in a Presidential election year.
Would the GOP nominate her?

We don't have anyone else so...


How has PA 13 managed to warrant a discussion running into its 96th page?

Dave

We're passionate about our politics and have some very interesting races.  :)


Title: Re: We're back!
Post by: Democratic Hawk on January 16, 2008, 08:34:35 PM

How has PA 13 managed to warrant a discussion running into its 96th page?

Dave

We're passionate about our politics and have some very interesting races.  :)

I'll drink to that ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 17, 2008, 08:08:56 PM
I think PA 13 could flip back in a 1994 type scenario, 5 Northeast Philly cops getting killed AND the Republican is a pro-life Giuliani type who makes a huge issue out of the 5 cops getting killed.  Yeah, that sounds about right.  Otherwise, seat stays Dem. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 17, 2008, 08:15:48 PM
I think PA 13 could flip back in a 1994 type scenario, 5 Northeast Philly cops getting killed AND the Republican is a pro-life Giuliani type who makes a huge issue out of the 5 cops getting killed.  Yeah, that sounds about right.  Otherwise, seat stays Dem. 

Oh sure, it could happen but it's not likely at all.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on January 17, 2008, 09:46:57 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on January 17, 2008, 10:11:58 PM
Maybe if Joe Hoeffel was running for election there....


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 17, 2008, 10:18:29 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.

Maybe if Joe Hoeffel was running for election there....

Sadly, there could be an opening for that joke to return. After losing his Senate race, he ran for Lt. Governor for about two days and is now serving (again) as a Montgomery county Commissioner. When the seat opens up in 2010 (when Schwartz runs for the Senate), look for him to consider a run unless he is really enjoying his time as Vice Chair of the Board.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on January 17, 2008, 10:47:07 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 17, 2008, 10:49:20 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.

I don't think that's true. Do you have any numbers that we can compare?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: bullmoose88 on January 17, 2008, 11:19:09 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.

Montgomery was probably much more Republican in 1992...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on January 18, 2008, 06:23:24 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.

I don't think that's true. Do you have any numbers that we can compare?

Look at the Presidential numbers in 2000 in the post 1991 PA-13 and the post 2001 PA-13.  In 2000, Gore carried the former 54%-43%, yet he carried the latter 56%-42%.  The district was made at least a point more Democratic and probably more in the 2001 redistricting. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 18, 2008, 06:27:36 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.

I don't think that's true. Do you have any numbers that we can compare?

Look at the Presidential numbers in 2000 in the post 1991 PA-13 and the post 2001 PA-13.  In 2000, Gore carried the former 54%-43%, yet he carried the latter 56%-42%.  The district was made at least a point more Democratic and probably more in the 2001 redistricting. 

I'm talking about registration numbers. I know that currently the GOP holds a point advantage in registrations. In 1992, in the old PA 13, the GOP held a much bigger advantage.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on January 18, 2008, 06:52:52 PM
Its surprising that as recently as 1992, the though of a Democrat winning PA-13 was absurd.  Now its a safely Democratic district.  It's all part of the Democratic trend in the metro Philadelphia area.  I expect PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 to look the same way in ten years. 

It's was quite different in 1992 because it was all Montco. Now it is split between Montco and NE Philly.


It was pretty much the same.  Maybe a point or two more Republican when it was all Montgomery.

I don't think that's true. Do you have any numbers that we can compare?

Look at the Presidential numbers in 2000 in the post 1991 PA-13 and the post 2001 PA-13.  In 2000, Gore carried the former 54%-43%, yet he carried the latter 56%-42%.  The district was made at least a point more Democratic and probably more in the 2001 redistricting. 

I'm talking about registration numbers. I know that currently the GOP holds a point advantage in registrations. In 1992, in the old PA 13, the GOP held a much bigger advantage.

When Joe Hoeffel was running for reelection in 2000, everybody talked about how he would have a tough time because Republicans held a two to one voter registration in the district. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 18, 2008, 10:06:28 PM

When Joe Hoeffel was running for reelection in 2000, everybody talked about how he would have a tough time because Republicans held a two to one voter registration in the district. 

Eh, I don't know. That was about four years before the mass exodus from the GOP in Montco, too, so I'm inclined to believe it was more. Either way, we're basing this simply on what we both believe to be the case so no one is going to win.

On a slightly related note, even after all of the Montco GOP problems and the conversions to the Dems, the GOP still holds a five point margin in voter registration totals.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 19, 2008, 04:01:01 PM

When Joe Hoeffel was running for reelection in 2000, everybody talked about how he would have a tough time because Republicans held a two to one voter registration in the district. 

Eh, I don't know. That was about four years before the mass exodus from the GOP in Montco, too, so I'm inclined to believe it was more. Either way, we're basing this simply on what we both believe to be the case so no one is going to win.

On a slightly related note, even after all of the Montco GOP problems and the conversions to the Dems, the GOP still holds a five point margin in voter registration totals.

Yes, but look at the GOP advantages from the 1980s.  I have no doubt Montgomery County will vote at least 53% for the Dem nominee even if a Giuliani or McCain.  GOP nominates Huckabee, the Dems could easily break 60% in Montco.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 19, 2008, 04:13:58 PM

When Joe Hoeffel was running for reelection in 2000, everybody talked about how he would have a tough time because Republicans held a two to one voter registration in the district. 

Eh, I don't know. That was about four years before the mass exodus from the GOP in Montco, too, so I'm inclined to believe it was more. Either way, we're basing this simply on what we both believe to be the case so no one is going to win.

On a slightly related note, even after all of the Montco GOP problems and the conversions to the Dems, the GOP still holds a five point margin in voter registration totals.

Yes, but look at the GOP advantages from the 1980s.  I have no doubt Montgomery County will vote at least 53% for the Dem nominee even if a Giuliani or McCain.  GOP nominates Huckabee, the Dems could easily break 60% in Montco.

Ok that's great but I'm still talking about the registration advantage now. Yes, the Montco GOP has collapsed but in spite of it, they still lead in registrations. I know that isn't what matters but it's a fact.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 24, 2008, 04:51:17 PM
I saw the petitions. Marina Kats is definitley running and unless someone from Montco is considering a run, she'll be the nominee. She'll get between 30-35%.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Bacon King on January 24, 2008, 08:19:06 PM
Wow. This is one long thread.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 30, 2008, 07:50:30 PM
The Candidates

Marina Kats - attorney from Abington with NE Philly ties. She is a Ukranian immigrant who will have some sway with the heavily Russian Jew areas of the NE. She won't win (won't even come close) but it will be interesting to see how she does in certain areas.

Lee Falgoust - Management consultant and Chair of the Upper Moreland GOP. He hasn't made up his mind yet.

Frank Szabo - former limo company owner and now a stay at home dad. He says he is "a firm believer in the traditional Republican platform."


I'm most likely going with Szabo. We're not going to win here so why not give a traditional conservative Republican a shot at running? Enough with this "we need a moderate" and these joke candidates when we know we won't win. I don't know much about Kats but I do remember hearing a bit about her being socially liberal when she was considering a run last time around so I'm not going with her. Falgoust is just another Montco GOP leadership insider so he's out, too.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on January 30, 2008, 07:53:49 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

We can make it to 1500 by the end of the year.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 30, 2008, 07:55:39 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

True. This seat hasn't been competitive since the thread has been created and won't be for quite some time.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 30, 2008, 08:09:44 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

True. This seat hasn't been competitive since the thread has been created and won't be for quite some time.

But, again for all those who insist on throwing jabs at us that like to discuss this, the politics of this area is very interesting. Give it two years when Schwartz runs for the Senate. The Democratic primary should be very interesting and the GOP will pay some attention to this seat since we'd have an outside chance at grabbing it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on January 30, 2008, 08:17:52 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

True. This seat hasn't been competitive since the thread has been created and won't be for quite some time.

But, again for all those who insist on throwing jabs at us that like to discuss this, the politics of this area is very interesting. Give it two years when Schwartz runs for the Senate. The Democratic primary should be very interesting and the GOP will pay some attention to this seat since we'd have an outside chance at grabbing it.

Another PA-13 candidate is going to waste a run against Mr. Single-Bullet Theory himself?  Good luck with that.

Yes, it could mean an interesting race, if this were to occur.  Otherwise, we'll just have to wait until PA loses 2 seats heading into 2012 elections.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 30, 2008, 08:24:55 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

True. This seat hasn't been competitive since the thread has been created and won't be for quite some time.

But, again for all those who insist on throwing jabs at us that like to discuss this, the politics of this area is very interesting. Give it two years when Schwartz runs for the Senate. The Democratic primary should be very interesting and the GOP will pay some attention to this seat since we'd have an outside chance at grabbing it.

Another PA-13 candidate is going to waste a run against Mr. Single-Bullet Theory himself?  Good luck with that.

I'm sure they're hoping for him to lose the primary which he hopefully will.  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on January 30, 2008, 08:45:46 PM

But a deserving one for such an unimportant CD.  :)

True. This seat hasn't been competitive since the thread has been created and won't be for quite some time.

But, again for all those who insist on throwing jabs at us that like to discuss this, the politics of this area is very interesting. Give it two years when Schwartz runs for the Senate. The Democratic primary should be very interesting and the GOP will pay some attention to this seat since we'd have an outside chance at grabbing it.

Another PA-13 candidate is going to waste a run against Mr. Single-Bullet Theory himself?  Good luck with that.

I'm sure they're hoping for him to lose the primary which he hopefully will.  :)

Doubtful, but ok...  Specter always seems to survive.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 30, 2008, 08:52:50 PM
Doubtful, but ok...  Specter always seems to survive.

Eh, but as every year passes, Arlen gets older and every election gets closer.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 02, 2008, 12:01:57 AM
Doubtful, but ok...  Specter always seems to survive.

Eh, but as every year passes, Arlen gets older and every election gets closer.

I could see Specter losing.  Remember, he doesn't have Santorum with the power to help his cred with conservatives.  It would be interesting to see if Santorum actually runs against Specter, but I highly doubt it.  Funny I think Santorum would win in the primary if that were the case.

As for PA 13, choosing the right GOP candidate could prove to be a difficult task because Montco Republicans are more libertarian and Northeast Philly Repubs are more populist.  Well... shouldn't say that Melissa Brown won the NE in 2004, but Tauben
                                                                                                 berger wasn't that far behind. We all know why.  I still maintain the district's overall political bend is center-left and usually if the Democrats aren't stupid or have a 1994, they'll win the seat no problem.  Thing is I wonder what would happen if the GOP picks someone who has a strong base such as a Greenleaf, O'Brien, or Taylor.  I know Greenleaf ran for this seat before and made it close.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 02, 2008, 12:06:44 AM

I could see Specter losing.  Remember, he doesn't have Santorum with the power to help his cred with conservatives.  It would be interesting to see if Santorum actually runs against Specter, but I highly doubt it.  Funny I think Santorum would win in the primary if that were the case.

Santorum probably would win. I remember someone suggesting him running but it won't happen.

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Thing is I wonder what would happen if the GOP picks someone who has a strong base such as a Greenleaf, O'Brien, or Taylor.  I know Greenleaf ran for this seat before and made it close.   

Greenleaf is the most likely to do it, of course, but he won't try it again. He's powerful in the State Senate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 12, 2008, 02:49:57 PM
As of now, Marina Kats is the only candidate on the GOP side. Apparently, we have until 5 PM for official word - http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bcel/lib/bcel/elections/petition_filers.pdf (http://www.dos.state.pa.us/bcel/lib/bcel/elections/petition_filers.pdf)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 13, 2008, 03:19:38 PM
The Upper Moreland GOP chair has filed. Looks like the guy I was going to support won't be on the ballot. Oh well. Go Marina Kats, I guess.

Oh, and in PA 13 related news, our favorite nut John McDermott (frequent PA 13 candidate and thorn in the side of the local GOP) will be challenging Perzel for his State House seat as a Republican!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 14, 2008, 07:45:09 PM
The Upper Moreland GOP chair has filed. Looks like the guy I was going to support won't be on the ballot. Oh well. Go Marina Kats, I guess.

Oh, and in PA 13 related news, our favorite nut John McDermott (frequent PA 13 candidate and thorn in the side of the local GOP) will be challenging Perzel for his State House seat as a Republican!

Crazy John at it again!  This should be funny.  Perzel too liberal for him?  Geez, I think he forgot to realize Dems still have an advantage there and Perzel would never win as a hardcore conservative.  Oh wait, he forgot many other times before.  I think if he wants to get into politics, he should look for a place with ultra conservative politics and where most of the people are toothless.  He'd win in a landslide.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 14, 2008, 08:25:32 PM

Crazy John at it again!  This should be funny.  Perzel too liberal for him?  Geez, I think he forgot to realize Dems still have an advantage there and Perzel would never win as a hardcore conservative.

Well, we don't know for sure that they have the advantage. The GOP had the advantage in 2002. While it has likely changed, the Dems don't have the leg up by much. McDermott's only running because he likes to run and I don't think he's running as a hardcore conservative. He's running to be a pain to Perzel and as the reform candidate.

On a side note, we're at 99 pages. Amazing. Legendary. PA 13.




Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on February 14, 2008, 08:45:23 PM

Crazy John at it again!  This should be funny.  Perzel too liberal for him?  Geez, I think he forgot to realize Dems still have an advantage there and Perzel would never win as a hardcore conservative.

Well, we don't know for sure that they have the advantage. The GOP had the advantage in 2002. While it has likely changed, the Dems don't have the leg up by much. McDermott's only running because he likes to run and I don't think he's running as a hardcore conservative. He's running to be a pain to Perzel and as the reform candidate.

On a side note, we're at 99 pages. Amazing. Legendary. PA 13.



Will it hit 100 pages?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 14, 2008, 09:04:49 PM

Crazy John at it again!  This should be funny.  Perzel too liberal for him?  Geez, I think he forgot to realize Dems still have an advantage there and Perzel would never win as a hardcore conservative.

Well, we don't know for sure that they have the advantage. The GOP had the advantage in 2002. While it has likely changed, the Dems don't have the leg up by much. McDermott's only running because he likes to run and I don't think he's running as a hardcore conservative. He's running to be a pain to Perzel and as the reform candidate.

On a side note, we're at 99 pages. Amazing. Legendary. PA 13.



Will it hit 100 pages?

Of course it will. We're in February of a federal election year. It will probably hit 100 pages before the summer.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on February 15, 2008, 10:43:12 PM

Crazy John at it again!  This should be funny.  Perzel too liberal for him?  Geez, I think he forgot to realize Dems still have an advantage there and Perzel would never win as a hardcore conservative.

Well, we don't know for sure that they have the advantage. The GOP had the advantage in 2002. While it has likely changed, the Dems don't have the leg up by much. McDermott's only running because he likes to run and I don't think he's running as a hardcore conservative. He's running to be a pain to Perzel and as the reform candidate.

On a side note, we're at 99 pages. Amazing. Legendary. PA 13.



Will it hit 100 pages?

Of course it will. We're in February of a federal election year. It will probably hit 100 pages before the summer.

Sure to break 100, but it won't be 2004 when it was actually competitive.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 17, 2008, 12:00:15 AM
Getting the discussion going a bit...

I'm interested in seeing how this primary plays out. Oddly enough, I'll be backing the candidate that the Philly GOP City Committee and Specter happen to be backing (because I don't want some Montco party insider getting the meaningless nomination). Kats should win the NE in the primary and Falgoust should win Montco. Now Montco would typically beat the NE Philly turnout (especially in a GOP primary) but I think Kats may be able to draw in a good deal of Montco Republican women. I wonder if it will be a real "battle" though. It seems really silly to me. Who wants to lose to Schwartz more?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Kevinstat on February 21, 2008, 10:59:19 PM
Who will push this thread onto it's 100th page?

Could it be me, right now, in possibly my first post on this thread?

Guess not.  Oh well.  Has any thread gone longer than this one?  I wouldn't be surprised if this one is the longest, as it started near the beginning of this "new forum."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Kevinstat on February 21, 2008, 11:04:16 PM
I hadn't looked to see how short this page was when I made my last post obviously.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on February 21, 2008, 11:08:27 PM
Who will push this thread onto it's 100th page?

Could it be me, right now, in possibly my first post on this thread?

Guess not.  Oh well.  Has any thread gone longer than this one?  I wouldn't be surprised if this one is the longest, as it started near the beginning of this "new forum."

Let's not push this to 100 with unnecessary posts, please.  :P

Look at the forum stats at the bottom of the forum. It's something like the fourth most replied to thread and fourth most viewed thread.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on February 21, 2008, 11:12:30 PM
I wonder when this thread will get more page views than actual votes in the election here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 05:06:02 PM
Lee Falgoust has withdrawn his name from the ballot. Kats vs. Schwartz this November.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 05:16:50 PM
I've decided that instead of just throwing my support to Kats, I am going to really think about writing someone in for this race again. Sadly, I voted for Raj in the primary last time but in the General, I wrote in State Representative John Taylor.  I won't do that again. This time around I may write in another State Representative (someone from Montco - a genuine conservative Republican) who was recently elected. I'm going to think about it though. If Kats really bothers me, I'll go with this write in vote. I'm always the lone write in at my precinct and the election board always knows/hates it.

Writing in for this race would mean that I have yet to vote for the Republican nominee in PA 13. How ironic.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ottermax on March 01, 2008, 05:25:17 PM
What exactly is so special about PA-13? It doesn't seem very notable, although it looks like a swing race. Why doesn't WA-08 have a topic like this; perhaps I will start one.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 05:36:12 PM
What exactly is so special about PA-13? It doesn't seem very notable, although it looks like a swing race. Why doesn't WA-08 have a topic like this; perhaps I will start one.

We've explained this before.

PA 13 is in no way a swing race this year. It was supposed to be in 2004 but for reasons discussed throughout this topic, it was not close. The reason why this topic has gotten some much attention and response is because myself and "ICE HOCKEY" are from this district and we are very passionate about our politics. It all started with the 2004 race that basically had us at each others' throats. I worked for Melissa Brown (the Republican) and ICE HOCKEY was a big Schwartz supporter. Since that heated race, it has calmed down a great deal. Schwartz is safe barring some disaster for the Dems or a meltdown on her part. We now simply talk about the dynamics of the coming race every two years since we know how it will end up (and since I have no passionate stances towards any candidate the GOP has put up here since 2004).

People are more than welcome to try a thread for their district but no one here will be able to seriously rival PA 13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on March 01, 2008, 06:28:56 PM
The PA-13 thread, aka, The Return of the Living Dead!  ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 08:26:57 PM
What exactly is so special about PA-13? It doesn't seem very notable, although it looks like a swing race. Why doesn't WA-08 have a topic like this; perhaps I will start one.

This thread has to be Philadelphia Politics 101.  I think that would be a more fitting name since 2004.  At the time it was actually a contested race with millions of dollars towards TV ads on both sides.  EMILY's List poured in hundreds of thousands on Schwartz's behalf and at least initially, the GOP thought they had a chance at this seat.  Remember, the first election of this dreadedly Gerrymandered district in 2002 had the GOP nominee Melissa Brown up in many polls against incumbent Joe Hoeffel.  Still the dynamics of the district do represent slices of America as a whole with generally older and more blue collar/law enforcement workers in Northeast Philadelphia and  younger, more white collar professionals in Montgomery County.  This means you'll have more social conservatism in NE Philly as opposed to social liberalism in Montgomery County and vice versa on economic issues.  I'll still contend the overall makeup of the district is left of center, but given a good year and candidate for the GOP who can excite a particular base, this can be a hotly contested race.  The district is not quite Berkeley, but it's far from Alabama.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 08:31:49 PM
Remember, the first election of this dreadedly Gerrymandered district in 2002 had the GOP nominee Melissa Brown up in many polls against incumbent Joe Hoeffel.

She wasn't leading in "many" polls. I'm actually wondering if she led in any. That race only became really competitive in the final weeks. Borski stepping aside gave Hoeffel a major victory. The initial thought was that Hoeffel wouldn't have much of a problem at all (probably another Hoeffel vs. Greenleaf type race - Hoeffel winning by ten).

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The district is not quite Berkeley, but it's far from Alabama.

It's far from both.  :P


And here we are, my friends. 100 pages!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 08:39:54 PM
Remember, the first election of this dreadedly Gerrymandered district in 2002 had the GOP nominee Melissa Brown up in many polls against incumbent Joe Hoeffel.

She wasn't leading in "many" polls. I'm actually wondering if she led in any. That race only became really competitive in the final weeks. Borski stepping aside gave Hoeffel a major victory. The initial thought was that Hoeffel wouldn't have much of a problem at all (probably another Hoeffel vs. Greenleaf type race - Hoeffel winning by ten).

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The district is not quite Berkeley, but it's far from Alabama.

It's far from both.  :P


And here we are, my friends. 100 pages!

And getting closer to 100,000 reads!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 01, 2008, 08:46:45 PM
Why did Hoeffel do so badly in 2002?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 08:54:27 PM
Why did Hoeffel do so badly in 2002?

Well, he was helped out by Rendell's landslide in the area but at the the same, the GOP was on a high after 9/11.

Melissa Brown was a tough challenger. She had a no nonsense attitude (at least in 2002 she did). She also spoke out in favor of reforming Section 8 housing which resonated with NE Philly voters. Whether she used it in a proper way or not, Flyers, the point is that she used the issue and people liked it.

Hoeffel also did poorly because he wasn't much of a stand out member. As Specter proved in the 2004 campaign, Hoeffel had next to zero accomplishments while in the House. He's a passionate partisan and not much else. He wasn't going to be a strong incumbent with that type of attitude even though he tried to present himself as a "moderate" early in his career.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 09:09:54 PM
Why did Hoeffel do so badly in 2002?

2 reasons:

It was 2002- 9/11 GOP spike.

Do I have to go into the Hoeffel-Borski thing?  Well I guess I have to.  PA 13 was orignally Montgomery county.  PA 3 was originally Northeast Philadelphia and a few adjacent areas.  The GOP legislature thought they could mash the 2 together and slice and dice select Democratic areas to PA 1, 2, 6 and 8 in the hopes of creating a GOP favored district.  It was also to feature a primary between the pro-life Borski and the pro-choice Hoeffel in which Borski would win because the district is more heavily registered Dem in NE Philly.  Since Joe Hoeffel had a base in normally GOP Montgomery County, Bob Borski decided to dropout and clear the field for Joe Hoeffel.  Smart move considering well, NE Philly isn't all that religious.  The Dems pretty much were asleep at the wheel thinking they had this race, BUT moderate Republican from Montco, Melissa Brown exploited quite nicely an issue affecting a lot of Northeast Philly voters- the rising tide of Section 8 housing with tenants from not so desirable areas (primarily PA 1 and 2).  Melissa Brown's campaign has also been rumored to have tied Joe Hoeffel to Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton to cause a racial overtone.  It seemed Melissa Brown was going to possibly pull it off, but the major trade unions put in a massive effort in last minute GOTV for Joe Hoeffel.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Flying Dog on March 01, 2008, 09:12:52 PM
The reasons that this thread has 100 page's is just sad.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 09:16:21 PM
It was also to feature a primary between the pro-life Borski and the pro-choice Hoeffel in which Borski would win because the district is more heavily registered Dem in NE Philly.

The thing with Borski is that he flip between Pro Life and Pro Choice throughout his twenty years in Congress but his base was Pro Life.

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Smart move considering well, NE Philly isn't all that religious.

Uh?

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Melissa Brown's campaign has also been rumored to have tied Joe Hoeffel to Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton to cause a racial overtone. 

It was a piece saying Sharpton, not Jackson, endorsed Hoeffel. It was false (as we have discussed before) and backfired.


The reasons that this thread has 100 page's is just sad.

Listen, we don't have a tolerance for people that just want to hate the purpose of our debate. Don't like the political discussion then don't read it. Bye.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 09:25:21 PM
It was also to feature a primary between the pro-life Borski and the pro-choice Hoeffel in which Borski would win because the district is more heavily registered Dem in NE Philly.

The thing with Borski is that he flip between Pro Life and Pro Choice throughout his twenty years in Congress but his base was Pro Life.

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Smart move considering well, NE Philly isn't all that religious.

Uh?

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Melissa Brown's campaign has also been rumored to have tied Joe Hoeffel to Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton to cause a racial overtone.

It was a piece saying Sharpton, not Jackson, endorsed Hoeffel. It was false (as we have discussed before) and backfired.


The reasons that this thread has 100 page's is just sad.

Listen, we don't have a tolerance for people that just want to hate the purpose of our debate. Don't like the political discussion then don't read it. Bye.

Borski's record was pretty pro-life IIRC.  As for his base, I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Most of it was labor.  Maybe Charlie Dougherty's base.  As for picking Joe Hoeffel, yeah that was a smart move for Borski would have got steamrolled in Montco and Hoeffel being pro-choice really wasn't gonna hurt him too much in NE Philly.  Yeah, Borski would have pulled off a few more votes because of that, but not many.  Allyson Schwartz, who actually operated and profited from an abortion clinic, has won handily here twice, but I have to admit labor plays a big part of that.  And there was an choice poll in one of the PA 13 polls.  The Philly portion, which is NE Philly, was actually about 15 points more pro-choice in that particular poll. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 09:41:18 PM


Borski's record was pretty pro-life IIRC.  As for his base, I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Most of it was labor.  Maybe Charlie Dougherty's base.

Borski was well known for flipping around on abortion. What I meant by the base comment was that most of his base happened to be Pro Life. They didn't follow/admire Borski because of the issue.

 
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As for picking Joe Hoeffel, yeah that was a smart move for Borski would have got steamrolled in Montco and Hoeffel being pro-choice really wasn't gonna hurt him too much in NE Philly.

What do you mean by "picking" Hoeffel? Are you referring to Borski stepping aside for him?

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Allyson Schwartz, who actually operated and profited from an abortion clinic, has won handily here twice, but I have to admit labor plays a big part of that.

That is based on labor and just the favorability to the Dems in federal races in this area. The fact that Schwartz ran an abortion clinic was never really properly discussed as an issue.

 
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And there was an choice poll in one of the PA 13 polls.  The Philly portion, which is NE Philly, was actually about 15 points more pro-choice in that particular poll. 

Yeah, I remember that and I also questioning the validity of the polling firm but I think we're just going to have a fundamental disagreement on what the people think around here. Either way, it's hard to say that one of us is right. Elections aren't fought on that issue, polling isn't that frequent, etc. to really tell.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on March 01, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
What was the point of creating this district anyway in 2002?  Did the Republicans just pack the district full of Democratic votes in order to keep PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 from getting too Democratic? 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 09:53:38 PM
What was the point of creating this district anyway in 2002?  Did the Republicans just pack the district full of Democratic votes in order to keep PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 from getting too Democratic? 

The point was for a pickup. The GOP really thought we could take it and we weren't worried about 6, 7 or 8 at the time. Gerlach's district was made for an easy GOP win. Weldon and Greenwood (before Fitzpatrick) were seen as easy wins for however long they wanted to remain in Congress. Needless to say, the plan backfired.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on March 01, 2008, 10:03:05 PM
What was the point of creating this district anyway in 2002?  Did the Republicans just pack the district full of Democratic votes in order to keep PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 from getting too Democratic? 

The point was for a pickup. The GOP really thought we could take it and we weren't worried about 6, 7 or 8 at the time. Gerlach's district was made for an easy GOP win. Weldon and Greenwood (before Fitzpatrick) were seen as easy wins for however long they wanted to remain in Congress. Needless to say, the plan backfired.

Gerlach only ended up winning by 2%.  If his district did not include that part of Montgomery county and took more of Chester instead, he would have been much safer. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 10:07:34 PM


Borski's record was pretty pro-life IIRC.  As for his base, I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Most of it was labor.  Maybe Charlie Dougherty's base.

Borski was well known for flipping around on abortion. What I meant by the base comment was that most of his base happened to be Pro Life. They didn't follow/admire Borski because of the issue.

 
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As for picking Joe Hoeffel, yeah that was a smart move for Borski would have got steamrolled in Montco and Hoeffel being pro-choice really wasn't gonna hurt him too much in NE Philly.

What do you mean by "picking" Hoeffel? Are you referring to Borski stepping aside for him?

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Allyson Schwartz, who actually operated and profited from an abortion clinic, has won handily here twice, but I have to admit labor plays a big part of that.

That is based on labor and just the favorability to the Dems in federal races in this area. The fact that Schwartz ran an abortion clinic was never really properly discussed as an issue.

 
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And there was an choice poll in one of the PA 13 polls.  The Philly portion, which is NE Philly, was actually about 15 points more pro-choice in that particular poll. 

Yeah, I remember that and I also questioning the validity of the polling firm but I think we're just going to have a fundamental disagreement on what the people think around here. Either way, it's hard to say that one of us is right. Elections aren't fought on that issue, polling isn't that frequent, etc. to really tell.

It's interesting how many articles related to politics, abortion is a major issue.  And I recall some articles saying the "pro-life Borski vs. the pro-choice Hoeffel" so abortion stance can be a primary adjective when describing a politician in some cases.  I can agree that there are certain parts of the NE that think differently on that issue than others and it is debatable and hard to determine.  I do think pro-lifers are more vocal however.  You can tell me all you want that Allyson Schwartz is a Nancy Pelosi/San Fran liberal all you want, but face it a lot of people are just not that religious here albeit were not as secular as CA 8. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 10:09:07 PM
What was the point of creating this district anyway in 2002?  Did the Republicans just pack the district full of Democratic votes in order to keep PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 from getting too Democratic? 

The point was for a pickup. The GOP really thought we could take it and we weren't worried about 6, 7 or 8 at the time. Gerlach's district was made for an easy GOP win. Weldon and Greenwood (before Fitzpatrick) were seen as easy wins for however long they wanted to remain in Congress. Needless to say, the plan backfired.

Gerlach only ended up winning by 2%.  If his district did not include that part of Montgomery county and took more of Chester instead, he would have been much safer. 

If only PA 6 took in West Chester, you'd be saying Congresswoman Lois Murphy right now.  Gerrymanding can work in strange ways.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 10:53:50 PM


Gerlach only ended up winning by 2%.

Which was people don't understand. He was supposed to be an easy win there. He was popular as a State Senator.

You can tell me all you want that Allyson Schwartz is a Nancy Pelosi/San Fran liberal all you want, but face it a lot of people are just not that religious here albeit were not as secular as CA 8. 

I'm not saying voters are extremely religious here but the NE is dominated by senior citizens. While we have a sizable Jewish community, the majority are old school Catholics. I think the more secular Montco balances out the NE.




Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on March 01, 2008, 11:24:01 PM


Gerlach only ended up winning by 2%.

Which was people don't understand. He was supposed to be an easy win there. He was popular as a State Senator.

You can tell me all you want that Allyson Schwartz is a Nancy Pelosi/San Fran liberal all you want, but face it a lot of people are just not that religious here albeit were not as secular as CA 8. 

I'm not saying voters are extremely religious here but the NE is dominated by senior citizens. While we have a sizable Jewish community, the majority are old school Catholics. I think the more secular Montco balances out the NE.




We have a decent number of secular Catholics as well.  You're not wrong saying there's a lot of old school Catholic Democrats here however.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 01, 2008, 11:32:38 PM

We have a decent number of secular Catholics as well. 

Yeah, many of the younger families especially in areas like Buselton, Rhawnhurst (your area of the NE).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on March 02, 2008, 12:29:05 AM
What was the point of creating this district anyway in 2002?  Did the Republicans just pack the district full of Democratic votes in order to keep PA-06, PA-07, and PA-08 from getting too Democratic? 

The point was for a pickup. The GOP really thought we could take it and we weren't worried about 6, 7 or 8 at the time. Gerlach's district was made for an easy GOP win. Weldon and Greenwood (before Fitzpatrick) were seen as easy wins for however long they wanted to remain in Congress. Needless to say, the plan backfired.

Gerlach only ended up winning by 2%.  If his district did not include that part of Montgomery county and took more of Chester instead, he would have been much safer. 

If only PA 6 took in West Chester, you'd be saying Congresswoman Lois Murphy right now.  Gerrymanding can work in strange ways.

How do you figure that?  West Chester is much more Republican than the part of Montgomery in PA-06.  I bet in the 2012 redistricting, that part of Montgomery will be taken out and put into PA-07 while giving PA-06 the part of Chester in PA-07.  That would likely make Sestak about as secure as Schwartz and would likely insulate Gerlach from a tough challenge.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 12, 2008, 08:32:42 PM
I saw Kats tonight at a Republican ward meeting. It was....eh. She was ok but I guess I shouldn't have expected anymore. She tried to convince people that the national GOP sees this as a major interesting battle because she is a "different" type of candidate. She's different because she's an Eastern European immigrant (very heavy accent) which would help among a traditionally Democratic group of voters. She can make in-roads but nothing major. This obviously won't be a major race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on March 19, 2008, 07:58:23 PM
I left my heart in PA 13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Brittain33 on April 23, 2008, 10:57:54 AM
This district went surprisingly strongly for Clinton yesterday, I assume.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 23, 2008, 02:42:48 PM
I don't know how we went but I guess it was a strong win for Hillary (Hillary's base in the NE + a surprisingly close Montco result).

I wrote in State Representative Tom Murt yesterday for the GOP nomination.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Hash on April 23, 2008, 03:29:45 PM
I saw over 70% for Hillary in PA-13 somewhere IIRC.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Brittain33 on April 23, 2008, 03:55:36 PM
I found a link.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/18018274.html

Clinton 62%, Obama 38%

Almost identical results in PA-08.

Meanwhile, PA-06 and PA-07 had almost identical 50%/50% results. Says a lot about how different areas of suburbia vote, although again, PA-13 is only partly suburban.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 23, 2008, 04:10:36 PM
In other PA 13 news...

I just picked up the voting machine print out from my polling place. Luckily, it was still posted outside. I noticed something very interesting - Allyson Schwartz received four write in votes against her for the Democratic nomination. We never see this at my precinct (with the except of my write in votes and the write in campaign for another race yesterday). I wonder who was written in.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on April 23, 2008, 04:23:47 PM
Meanwhile, PA-06 and PA-07 had almost identical 50%/50% results. Says a lot about how different areas of suburbia vote, although again, PA-13 is only partly suburban.
PA-06 actually can never have one candidate exceed 51%, they past an ordiance


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Verily on April 23, 2008, 04:54:23 PM
In other PA 13 news...

I just picked up the voting machine print out from my polling place. Luckily, it was still posted outside. I noticed something very interesting - Allyson Schwartz received four write in votes against her for the Democratic nomination. We never see this at my precinct (with the except of my write in votes and the write in campaign for another race yesterday). I wonder who was written in.

My guess: someone like BRTD wrote in a local politician who endorsed Obama. Or else it was simply silly people drawn into the high turnout vortex who wrote in random names for fun.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 23, 2008, 05:18:59 PM
In other PA 13 news...

I just picked up the voting machine print out from my polling place. Luckily, it was still posted outside. I noticed something very interesting - Allyson Schwartz received four write in votes against her for the Democratic nomination. We never see this at my precinct (with the except of my write in votes and the write in campaign for another race yesterday). I wonder who was written in.

My guess: someone like BRTD wrote in a local politician who endorsed Obama.

Listen, there are really messed up people out there but I think BRTD is very unique when it comes to that. I can't seriously imagine anybody doing that especially since there are so few local politicians that endorsed Obama.

Or maybe some people wrote in what I suggested they write in for U.S. Representative instead of...oh my....


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2008, 04:47:17 PM
<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 10, 2008, 04:50:50 PM
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Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2008, 05:05:49 PM
<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2008, 05:44:43 PM
The four year anniversary of this classic thread. Amazing.


<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.

Yep but it will be close.

As for the Congressional race itself, this will be the second time that I won't be voting for the GOP nominee. I'm writing in a local State Representative again (but a different guy this time).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 10, 2008, 05:54:22 PM
The four year anniversary of this classic thread. Amazing.


<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.

Yep but it will be close.

As for the Congressional race itself, this will be the second time that I won't be voting for the GOP nominee. I'm writing in a local State Representative again (but a different guy this time).


Who is the GOP nominee for PA-13?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2008, 05:57:10 PM

Marina Kats

She's an attorney from NE Philly. She's also a Ukrainian immigrant.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 10, 2008, 05:58:48 PM
The four year anniversary of this classic thread. Amazing.


<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.

Yep but it will be close.

As for the Congressional race itself, this will be the second time that I won't be voting for the GOP nominee. I'm writing in a local State Representative again (but a different guy this time).

If its that close, Obama wont carry the state.  He needs to win this district by a good 10-12 points if he wants to offset the Republican trend in the Western part of the state.  


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 10, 2008, 06:01:08 PM
The four year anniversary of this classic thread. Amazing.


<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.

Yep but it will be close.

As for the Congressional race itself, this will be the second time that I won't be voting for the GOP nominee. I'm writing in a local State Representative again (but a different guy this time).

If its that close, Obama wont carry the state.  He needs to win this district by a good 10-12 points if he wants to offset the Republican trend in the Western part of the state. 

I'm gonna say Obama by about 9-11 with some gains in Montco offset by older whites in NE Philly who will vote for McCain.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2008, 06:13:34 PM

I'm gonna say Obama by about 9-11 with some gains in Montco offset by older whites in NE Philly who will vote for McCain.

And Kerry won here by about twelve points last time so a smaller win for Obama helps McCain.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 10, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
     Wow. I could see 102 pages of discussion about say, TX-22, but PA-13? I must give you all kudos for keeping it alive this along. :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
     Wow. I could see 102 pages of discussion about say, TX-22, but PA-13? I must give you all kudos for keeping it alive this along. :)

You have to understand that PA 13 was supposed to be competitive in 2004. You also have to take into consideration that I live rather close to ICE HOCKEY and we have very different views on things around here. We live in an interesting area so there is a lot to discuss. PA 13 is a mix of some big city politics and high society, suburban life.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on August 10, 2008, 07:08:32 PM
PA-13 only gets 102 pages because of a certain rivalry between two posters from it.  It is kind of an interesting "Reagan Democrat" (just to annoy BRTD) area, so it's worth a few pages.

TX-22 is worthy of about 3 sentences, frankly.

I'm wondering which CDs could possibly be worth 102 pages of talk - I can only think of one personally for me: NM-01.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 10, 2008, 07:12:04 PM
PA-13 only gets 102 pages because of a certain rivalry between two posters from it.  It is kind of an interesting "Reagan Democrat" (just to annoy BRTD) area, so it's worth a few pages.

TX-22 is worthy of about 3 sentences, frankly.

I'm wondering which CDs could possibly be worth 102 pages of talk - I can only think of one personally for me: NM-01.

I managed to squeeze 5 pages out of CA-15. That was all it's worth.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 10, 2008, 07:12:36 PM
     Wow. I could see 102 pages of discussion about say, TX-22, but PA-13? I must give you all kudos for keeping it alive this along. :)

You have to understand that PA 13 was supposed to be competitive in 2004. You also have to take into consideration that I live rather close to ICE HOCKEY and we have very different views on things around here. We live in an interesting area so there is a lot to discuss. PA 13 is a mix of some big city politics and high society, suburban life.

     I was aware of PA-13 being a race to watch in 2004. However, I had completely forgotten about it since then, so I was surprised to see this thread.

     This makes me want to start a thread about CA-08 now. I won't though, since I think I'm the only person on the forum who actually lives in that district. :( Actually, on second thought, my ex-girlfriend lives in CA-08 too. When she comes back from Chile, I'll start a thread about it.

PA-13 only gets 102 pages because of a certain rivalry between two posters from it.  It is kind of an interesting "Reagan Democrat" (just to annoy BRTD) area, so it's worth a few pages.

TX-22 is worthy of about 3 sentences, frankly.

I'm wondering which CDs could possibly be worth 102 pages of talk - I can only think of one personally for me: NM-01.

     CA-08 isn't worth much either. Doesn't stop me from trying though. ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 10, 2008, 07:26:30 PM
It is kind of an interesting "Reagan Democrat" (just to annoy BRTD) area,

Though in this case the term is actually somewhat accurate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Alcon on August 10, 2008, 07:54:19 PM
Some counties actually publish write-ins.  They're usually pretty boring--people they know, themselves, famous people, BS write-ins ("John Doe" or "Donald Duck")

My favorite was a GOP write-in for "Juan McCain" ("what does it mean?!")


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on August 10, 2008, 08:01:34 PM
The four year anniversary of this classic thread. Amazing.


<Shock>

I really wanted to revitalize this classic thread.

Will Obama carry it?  I think that is the billion dollar question.

Yep but it will be close.

As for the Congressional race itself, this will be the second time that I won't be voting for the GOP nominee. I'm writing in a local State Representative again (but a different guy this time).

If its that close, Obama wont carry the state.  He needs to win this district by a good 10-12 points if he wants to offset the Republican trend in the Western part of the state. 

I'm gonna say Obama by about 9-11 with some gains in Montco offset by older whites in NE Philly who will vote for McCain.

IIRC, he didn't in the primary.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 10, 2008, 08:05:20 PM

He didn't but the Montco Dems that went for Hillary won't go for McCain. The NE Dems are a much different story.

Some counties actually publish write-ins. 

We're working on getting this county to publish the actual votes for the public. Let's take it one step at a time.  ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sam Spade on August 10, 2008, 09:28:57 PM
It is kind of an interesting "Reagan Democrat" (just to annoy BRTD) area,

Though in this case the term is actually somewhat accurate.

I know.  I just wanted to see if I could get him to say that it doesn't apply here.  Now, there's no chance, obviously.  :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 01:00:13 AM
     Wow. I could see 102 pages of discussion about say, TX-22, but PA-13? I must give you all kudos for keeping it alive this along. :)

You have to understand that PA 13 was supposed to be competitive in 2004. You also have to take into consideration that I live rather close to ICE HOCKEY and we have very different views on things around here. We live in an interesting area so there is a lot to discuss. PA 13 is a mix of some big city politics and high society, suburban life.

The Republicans badly overreached in trying to make PA-13 a competitive district for 2002.  Doing this made PA-06 lean Democratic in national and increasingly in statewide elections.  If Republicans had put the portion of Montco currently in PA-06 in PA-13 and put all of the few heavily Republican townships(if there are any clusters that went for Bush with 55%+) in PA-13 in PA-06, Jim Gerlach would have by about ten points in 2002, 2004, and 2006 rather than just two. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 01:23:55 AM
The Republicans badly overreached in trying to make PA-13 a competitive district for 2002.  Doing this made PA-06 lean Democratic in national and increasingly in statewide elections.  If Republicans had put the portion of Montco currently in PA-06 in PA-13 and put all of the few heavily Republican townships(if there are any clusters that went for Bush with 55%+) in PA-13 in PA-06, Jim Gerlach would have by about ten points in 2002, 2004, and 2006 rather than just two. 

Believe me, I know.

Cue to ICE HOCKEY to state how the Perzel plan backfired...  :P

You have to understand that the idea was to make Borski run against Hoeffel in the primary in 2002 (which he likely would have won because of his strong base in the NE compared to Hoeffel's weak support in Montco). This would have set up a more favorable battle for us in a Brown vs. Borski race. Brown would have still had appeal here but would have won Montco fairly easily.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 01:29:55 AM
The Republicans badly overreached in trying to make PA-13 a competitive district for 2002.  Doing this made PA-06 lean Democratic in national and increasingly in statewide elections.  If Republicans had put the portion of Montco currently in PA-06 in PA-13 and put all of the few heavily Republican townships(if there are any clusters that went for Bush with 55%+) in PA-13 in PA-06, Jim Gerlach would have by about ten points in 2002, 2004, and 2006 rather than just two. 

Believe me, I know.

Cue to ICE HOCKEY to state how the Perzel plan backfired...  :P

You have to understand that the idea was to make Borski run against Hoeffel in the primary in 2002 (which he likely would have won because of his strong base in the NE compared to Hoeffel's weak support in Montco). This would have set up a more favorable battle for us in a Brown vs. Borski race. Brown would have still had appeal here but would have won Montco fairly easily.


I dont know.  Brown might have won Montco in that case, but Borski probably would have outperformed of Hoeffel significantly in NE Philly, since he represented that area for almost twenty years. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 02:30:09 AM
I dont know.  Brown might have won Montco in that case, but Borski probably would have outperformed of Hoeffel significantly in NE Philly, since he represented that area for almost twenty years. 

He would have outperformed Hoeffel but the question is: would it have been by enough? Brown still had serious appeal here. Plus, I believe she could have made up for it in Montco. It wouldn't have been close out there. Brown still took 47% out there against a two term Congressman who was actually fairly well known as a former County Commissioner. She would have probably had a double digit win against Borski, an unknown, unaccomplished Northeast Philly Congressman.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on August 11, 2008, 02:30:51 PM
The Republicans badly overreached in trying to make PA-13 a competitive district for 2002.  Doing this made PA-06 lean Democratic in national and increasingly in statewide elections.  If Republicans had put the portion of Montco currently in PA-06 in PA-13 and put all of the few heavily Republican townships(if there are any clusters that went for Bush with 55%+) in PA-13 in PA-06, Jim Gerlach would have by about ten points in 2002, 2004, and 2006 rather than just two. 

Believe me, I know.

Cue to ICE HOCKEY to state how the Perzel plan backfired...  :P

You have to understand that the idea was to make Borski run against Hoeffel in the primary in 2002 (which he likely would have won because of his strong base in the NE compared to Hoeffel's weak support in Montco). This would have set up a more favorable battle for us in a Brown vs. Borski race. Brown would have still had appeal here but would have won Montco fairly easily.


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

I would say Obama wins PA 13 by 12%  and 6 by 7% or more.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 02:46:39 PM
The Republicans badly overreached in trying to make PA-13 a competitive district for 2002.  Doing this made PA-06 lean Democratic in national and increasingly in statewide elections.  If Republicans had put the portion of Montco currently in PA-06 in PA-13 and put all of the few heavily Republican townships(if there are any clusters that went for Bush with 55%+) in PA-13 in PA-06, Jim Gerlach would have by about ten points in 2002, 2004, and 2006 rather than just two. 

Believe me, I know.

Cue to ICE HOCKEY to state how the Perzel plan backfired...  :P

You have to understand that the idea was to make Borski run against Hoeffel in the primary in 2002 (which he likely would have won because of his strong base in the NE compared to Hoeffel's weak support in Montco). This would have set up a more favorable battle for us in a Brown vs. Borski race. Brown would have still had appeal here but would have won Montco fairly easily.


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

I would say Obama wins PA 13 by 12%  and 6 by 7% or more.

I know Phil will disagree with me but I dont think there is any Republican who could win PA-06 once Gerlach leaves unless that district loses its portion of Montco and picks up more Conservative areas such as the area of Chester currently in PA-07.  This would leave Joe Sestak with a very liberal Delware/Montco district that would probably be as Democratic as PA-13 or even more so. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Jake on August 11, 2008, 02:55:28 PM
PA-06 is not going to be kept around once redistricting occurs. If the Democrats control the process, Gerlach will either be shoved into a safe GOP district with Pitts or into a lean Democratic district. If the Republicans control the process, Gerlach will be given a stronger district at the expense of GOP chances in PA-08, PA-07, and PA-13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 02:59:04 PM
PA-06 is not going to be kept around once redistricting occurs. If the Democrats control the process, Gerlach will either be shoved into a safe GOP district with Pitts or into a lean Democratic district. If the Republicans control the process, Gerlach will be given a stronger district at the expense of GOP chances in PA-08, PA-07, and PA-13.

The latter one will likely happen.  PA-07, PA-08, and PA-13 will be conceeded to the Democrats in order to make the district safer for Gerlach. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
PA-06 is not going to be kept around once redistricting occurs. If the Democrats control the process, Gerlach will either be shoved into a safe GOP district with Pitts or into a lean Democratic district. If the Republicans control the process, Gerlach will be given a stronger district at the expense of GOP chances in PA-08, PA-07, and PA-13.

The latter one will likely happen.  PA-07, PA-08, and PA-13 will be conceeded to the Democrats in order to make the district safer for Gerlach. 
What happens if  current political makeup remains after the '10 election? Would a bipartisan compromise likely help or hurt Gerlach?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 03:09:44 PM
PA-06 is not going to be kept around once redistricting occurs. If the Democrats control the process, Gerlach will either be shoved into a safe GOP district with Pitts or into a lean Democratic district. If the Republicans control the process, Gerlach will be given a stronger district at the expense of GOP chances in PA-08, PA-07, and PA-13.

The latter one will likely happen.  PA-07, PA-08, and PA-13 will be conceeded to the Democrats in order to make the district safer for Gerlach. 


What happens if  current political makeup remains after the '10 election? Would a bipartisan compromise likely help or hurt Gerlach?

It will likely help.  It would be an incumbent protection plan. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 04:52:46 PM


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.

PA-06 is not going to be kept around once redistricting occurs. If the Democrats control the process, Gerlach will either be shoved into a safe GOP district with Pitts or into a lean Democratic district. If the Republicans control the process, Gerlach will be given a stronger district at the expense of GOP chances in PA-08, PA-07, and PA-13.

The latter one will likely happen.  PA-07, PA-08, and PA-13 will be conceeded to the Democrats in order to make the district safer for Gerlach. 

Agreed


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 05:06:39 PM


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:08:02 PM


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 

Being "Pro Labor' isn't exactly ideal for PA 6.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 05:12:36 PM


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 

Being "Pro Labor' isn't exactly ideal for PA 6.

Being overwhelming anti-labor like Pat Toomey aint gonna play well here either. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 05:18:12 PM


My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 

Being "Pro Labor' isn't exactly ideal for PA 6.

Being overwhelming anti-labor like Pat Toomey aint gonna play well here either. 
Pro-labor is anathema to the Country Club crowd that lives in the Main Line. It never fails to amuse me that liberal Bryn Mawr College is situated in a tony Republican town.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:19:47 PM



My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 

Being "Pro Labor' isn't exactly ideal for PA 6.

Being overwhelming anti-labor like Pat Toomey aint gonna play well here either. 

Toomey was elected and re-elected in an area that is more in tune with labor issues than PA 6 will ever be so I don't understand what you're trying to prove.

PA 6 has a lot of wealthy voters (the Main Line) and the more middle class areas are rather socially conservative.



Back to PA 13 (we could always bump one of the PA 6 threads to continue to current conversation)...

It should be interesting to see how Kats does in the Russian Jew communities of NE Philly especially with Obama's rather weak standing with Jewish voters. Kats could make this interesting but I don't see her getting much more than 40%.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:20:22 PM
Pro-labor is anathema to the Country Club crowd that lives in the Main Line. It never fails to amuse me that liberal Bryn Mawr College is situated in a tony Republican town.

Bingo

That sums it all up.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 05:28:40 PM
Pro-labor is anathema to the Country Club crowd that lives in the Main Line. It never fails to amuse me that liberal Bryn Mawr College is situated in a tony Republican town.

Bingo

That sums it all up.
Speaking of labor -- this AFL-CIO anti-Gerlach web video is my favorite of the '06 campaign.

Gerlach staffer: (preppy looking guy in Ralph Lauren jacket): You guys live here?
Both AFL-CIO guys (dressed in schlubby clothes): Yeah
Gerlach staffer: You look pretty not local

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oYnw3Nh9U



Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on August 11, 2008, 05:33:23 PM



My question is what the heck we are going to do when Jim Gerlach decides to retire in PA-06. I mean that district was created just for him and when he retires is there anyone that could prevent its loss. If that happens we will never gain back a majority in the Pennsylvania congressional delegation.

As weird as it sounds, while the district was made for Gerlach, I think we'll have an easier time holding it when he leaves.


I dont know.  That district continues to trend Democratic and Gerlach is probably the perfect Republican for that district, pro-labor and socially moderate. 

Being "Pro Labor' isn't exactly ideal for PA 6.

Being overwhelming anti-labor like Pat Toomey aint gonna play well here either. 

Toomey was elected and re-elected in an area that is more in tune with labor issues than PA 6 will ever be so I don't understand what you're trying to prove.

PA 6 has a lot of wealthy voters (the Main Line) and the more middle class areas are rather socially conservative.



I assume Main Line is in Montgomery county?  I dont see how Republican this area is since it gave John Kerry over 60% of the vote. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:34:01 PM
Pro-labor is anathema to the Country Club crowd that lives in the Main Line. It never fails to amuse me that liberal Bryn Mawr College is situated in a tony Republican town.

Bingo

That sums it all up.
Speaking of labor -- this AFL-CIO anti-Gerlach web video is my favorite of the '06 campaign.

Gerlach staffer: (preppy looking guy in Ralph Lauren jacket): You guys live here?
Both AFL-CIO guys (dressed in schlubby clothes): Yeah
Gerlach staffer: You look pretty not local

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70oYnw3Nh9U



Those guys scream NE Philly (PA 13), definitely not PA 6.

Pretty pathetic on both sides, to be honest.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:36:02 PM

I assume Main Line is in Montgomery county?  I dont see how Republican this area is since it gave John Kerry over 60% of the vote. 

Did I ever say it was a "Republican area?" Not at all. Don't twist what I said. I said that your characterization of it being a "Pro Labor" area/not a place for Toomey economics is so very, very wrong and I have been backed up by one of the most partisan Democrats on the forum (who happens to know the district very well).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 05:40:08 PM

I assume Main Line is in Montgomery county?  I dont see how Republican this area is since it gave John Kerry over 60% of the vote. 

Did I ever say it was a "Republican area?" Not at all. Don't twist what I said. I said that your characterization of it being a "Pro Labor" area/not a place for Toomey economics is so very, very wrong and I have been backed up by one of the most partisan Democrats on the forum (who happens to know the district very well).
I'm one of the "most partisan Democrats on the forum"?  I'm only partisan when it comes to NC-08 and OR-Sen. Of course, I am bullish about Larry Joe's chances TX-10, which boosts my hack cred.:P

I definitely agree with what KeystonePhil says about this area. Bible-toters, gun-lovers, and  creationism-lovers scare these Arlen Specter-backing, BMW-driving, WSJ-reading, European vacation-taking, Yale-graduating, east coast elitists. On economic issues, they trust the GOP. These Arlen Specter Republicans will vote Democratic when presented with a choice between a MA lib and a Texas con. Which is why Kerry scored so well in the Mont. Co. area.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Spaghetti Cat on August 11, 2008, 05:50:24 PM
Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 05:55:56 PM
Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.
LOL. This is like that rich Democrat who is running in LA-01. These candidates should just make direct deposits to the college tuition funds for the children of their campaign consultants.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 05:57:53 PM
Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.

Marina Kats  :P

She has the ability to do so. She's a wealthy lawyer. It's still not a wise investment. Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz? The sad thing is that Kats is a more promising candidate so people are more likely to get their hopes up. Best case for her - McCain helps her out in the NE Philly parts and even certain areas in Montco, she gets a good deal of Jewish support and Schwartz is caught napping for most of the campaign. Even then, her best case is probably a six to ten point loss.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: MarkWarner08 on August 11, 2008, 06:04:24 PM
Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz?
"We"? Didn't you mean "I," as in hyper-optimistic KeystonePhil?

You were once as much of a hack about this race as I was about Gerlach. At least you didn't write a post called "Schwartz is a goner," as I did for Gerlach. :P


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 11, 2008, 06:10:06 PM
Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.

Marina Kats  :P

She has the ability to do so. She's a wealthy lawyer. It's still not a wise investment. Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz? The sad thing is that Kats is a more promising candidate so people are more likely to get their hopes up. Best case for her - McCain helps her out in the NE Philly parts and even certain areas in Montco, she gets a good deal of Jewish support and Schwartz is caught napping for most of the campaign. Even then, her best case is probably a six to ten point loss.
6 to 10 point loss is VERY optimistic Phil.  I would dare say that's optmistic for a Kanjorski win in that case.  I think Schwartz will actually pull some McCain votes due to incumbency and clout.  My call for the 13th-

Schwartz- 61
Kats- 34
Conservative 3rd party- 4
Other- 1

Obama- 54
McCain-43
Other- 3


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 11, 2008, 06:36:02 PM
Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz?
"We"? Didn't you mean "I," as in hyper-optimistic KeystonePhil?

Optimistic? I didn't want Raj. I didn't vote for him. Even ICE HOCKEY was worried about an upset.

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You were once as much of a hack about this race as I was about Gerlach. At least you didn't write a post called "Schwartz is a goner," as I did for Gerlach. :P

Well, I did say Melissa Brown was bound to be our next Congresswoman in 2004.  :P

Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.

Marina Kats  :P

She has the ability to do so. She's a wealthy lawyer. It's still not a wise investment. Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz? The sad thing is that Kats is a more promising candidate so people are more likely to get their hopes up. Best case for her - McCain helps her out in the NE Philly parts and even certain areas in Montco, she gets a good deal of Jewish support and Schwartz is caught napping for most of the campaign. Even then, her best case is probably a six to ten point loss.
6 to 10 point loss is VERY optimistic Phil.  I would dare say that's optmistic for a Kanjorski win in that case.  I think Schwartz will actually pull some McCain votes due to incumbency and clout.  My call for the 13th-

Schwartz- 61
Kats- 34
Conservative 3rd party- 4
Other- 1

Obama- 54
McCain-43
Other- 3

First of all, McDermott is running again as the "conservative third party" candidate. He won't pull in 4%. Maybe 1%. Secondly, "other" won't take 1% because no one else is running. I don't expect my write in and a few others to add up to that much.  ;)

Other than that, we pretty much have it as a 60% to 40% race. I said a six to ten point loss would be the very best case scenario for Kats.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 12, 2008, 06:51:45 PM
Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz?
"We"? Didn't you mean "I," as in hyper-optimistic KeystonePhil?

Optimistic? I didn't want Raj. I didn't vote for him. Even ICE HOCKEY was worried about an upset.

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You were once as much of a hack about this race as I was about Gerlach. At least you didn't write a post called "Schwartz is a goner," as I did for Gerlach. :P

Well, I did say Melissa Brown was bound to be our next Congresswoman in 2004.  :P

Apperently Katrina or Marina or whatever her name is just dumped 300g's into her campaign fund.

Marina Kats  :P

She has the ability to do so. She's a wealthy lawyer. It's still not a wise investment. Republicans are always going to experience a little tease in PA 13. Remember we even thought that Raj could upset Schwartz? The sad thing is that Kats is a more promising candidate so people are more likely to get their hopes up. Best case for her - McCain helps her out in the NE Philly parts and even certain areas in Montco, she gets a good deal of Jewish support and Schwartz is caught napping for most of the campaign. Even then, her best case is probably a six to ten point loss.
6 to 10 point loss is VERY optimistic Phil.  I would dare say that's optmistic for a Kanjorski win in that case.  I think Schwartz will actually pull some McCain votes due to incumbency and clout.  My call for the 13th-

Schwartz- 61
Kats- 34
Conservative 3rd party- 4
Other- 1

Obama- 54
McCain-43
Other- 3

First of all, McDermott is running again as the "conservative third party" candidate. He won't pull in 4%. Maybe 1%. Secondly, "other" won't take 1% because no one else is running. I don't expect my write in and a few others to add up to that much.  ;)

Other than that, we pretty much have it as a 60% to 40% race. I said a six to ten point loss would be the very best case scenario for Kats.

Well, I was a smidge worried due to Raj's apparent surge in popularity and him hitting the "issue du jour" like Barletta is now.  The 11th is definitely FAR more socially conservative however.  The '06 climate definitely kept Schwartz well insulated with the war and the economy.  If those 2 issues were off the table, you bet Reagan/Rizzo Democrats will focus more on crime/punishment/cop killings and Section 8, though the latter has kinda died down as an issue.  You can also bet a GOP candidate will surely hit on those issues time and time again.   


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 20, 2008, 10:44:53 PM
I figured I should bump this for this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA-13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PA-13)

:)


I know that the current PA 13 is different from the old PA 13 but it's still interesting to see how many repeat candidates there have been over the years.


1984 and 1986 - Hoeffel (D) runs and gets demolished by incumbent Lawrence Coughlin (R). 

1988 and 1990 - Bernard Tomkin (D) gets demolished by Coughlin.

1992 - MMM (D) defeats Jon Fox (R) in a very tight race.

1994 - Jon Fox comes back to defeat MMM in a close race.

1996 - Hoeffel returns and loses to Fox in one of the closest races in the country.

1998 - Hoeffel is back for a fourth try and beats Fox. Here's the second time that the outgoing member had a very close race the first time around but loses the rematch by about four points.

2000 - Hoeffel vs. Greenleaf (R) - this will end up breaking the streak of rematches.

2002 - Hoeffel vs. Brown (R) - close race

2004 - Brown vs. Schwartz (D) - the first time a major party candidate who has run for the seat at least two times doesn't win since Tomkin.


What a history.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on October 20, 2008, 11:45:48 PM
I think the district will be moved or merged with PA 6 or 8 when all's said and done.  Look at how far PA 13 has traveled.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 21, 2008, 09:44:08 AM
I think the district will be moved or merged with PA 6 or 8 when all's said and done.  Look at how far PA 13 has traveled.

I'd love to be part of PA 6 or 8 but I'd prefer the 8th. I think that's more likely, too, considering where I live.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on October 23, 2008, 03:35:42 PM
Over night, tons of signs for our favorite constant Constitution party candidate John McDermott were placed on traffic medians all over the NE Philly part of the district. I was kind of around your way earlier today, Flyers, and saw plenty. I'm sure you've seen them as well.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
Prediction:

Allyson Schwartz - 60%

Marina Kats - 38%

John McDermott - 2%


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on November 03, 2008, 06:45:29 PM
If I think what happens actually happens, PA-13 might be around for another 10 years, and 200-300 pages.  :)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 03, 2008, 07:46:39 PM
Prediction:

Allyson Schwartz - 60%

Marina Kats - 38%

John McDermott - 2%

Saw a few McDermott signs surprisingly.

I concur, maybe a little more for Schwartz and McDermott.

Who are you voting for?  Not always a no=brainer with you.  In fact, I can tell you I haven't been 100% happy with Allyson.  She voted for the PATRIOT and VICTORY Acts and is a bit more nanny statist than I would like.  Still voting for her tomorrow.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 03, 2008, 11:19:24 PM


Who are you voting for?  Not always a no=brainer with you.

I'm writing in Tom Murt. I have yet to vote for the GOP nominee in PA 13 in a General. That will remain the case until we nominate a good candidate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 04, 2008, 12:10:35 AM
Oh...my...God...

So I'm at my polling place, putting signs up for later today. I see a car pull up with somewhat familiar signs in the back seat. The guy hobbles out...

It was John McDermott. The guy yapped my ear off for I don't know how long. Some people think this guy is just a Democratic puppet who runs to cause trouble for the GOP. I don't buy it after listening to his tirade about a slew of local Republicans. The guy is certifiable. I felt so bad, too. I told him I wasn't voting for Kats or Schwartz so he thought he might be able to get me. He kept saying how much he'd appreciate having my support/help.

And, yes, those teeth are still horrendous.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 04, 2008, 12:37:04 AM
Oh...my...God...

So I'm at my polling place, putting signs up for later today. I see a car pull up with somewhat familiar signs in the back seat. The guy hobbles out...

It was John McDermott. The guy yapped my ear off for I don't know how long. Some people think this guy is just a Democratic puppet who runs to cause trouble for the GOP. I don't buy it after listening to his tirade about a slew of local Republicans. The guy is certifiable. I felt so bad, too. I told him I wasn't voting for Kats or Schwartz so he thought he might be able to get me. He kept saying how much he'd appreciate having my support/help.

And, yes, those teeth are still horrendous.

When will that man stop embarassing himself?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 04, 2008, 01:07:16 AM
Oh...my...God...

So I'm at my polling place, putting signs up for later today. I see a car pull up with somewhat familiar signs in the back seat. The guy hobbles out...

It was John McDermott. The guy yapped my ear off for I don't know how long. Some people think this guy is just a Democratic puppet who runs to cause trouble for the GOP. I don't buy it after listening to his tirade about a slew of local Republicans. The guy is certifiable. I felt so bad, too. I told him I wasn't voting for Kats or Schwartz so he thought he might be able to get me. He kept saying how much he'd appreciate having my support/help.

And, yes, those teeth are still horrendous.

When will that man stop embarassing himself?

He believes in his cause. He's making a point. He kept emphasizing to me how he's one out of eleven kids so he's used to fighting to be heard.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 05, 2008, 11:56:58 PM
Final results:

Schwartz - 63%

Kats - 34%

McDermott - 3%


My precinct (which established itself as a true bellweather precinct in every single race race yesterday):

Schwartz - 62%

Kats - 34%

McDermott - 4% 

I bet McDermott was higher than average based on his signs at my polling place (and the lack of Kats signs). Sounds silly but probably true.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 21, 2008, 08:11:59 PM
Revival!!!!

Ok, we all know Allyson wants the Senate.  Who will be the Dem nominees?  GOP?  Does the GOP have a chance at getting this seat back?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on November 22, 2008, 01:35:13 AM
Revival!!!!

Ok, we all know Allyson wants the Senate.  Who will be the Dem nominees?  GOP?  Does the GOP have a chance at getting this seat back?

The GOP has a chance if 2010 is absolutely terrible for the Dems. Who the hell knows who wants to run on our side. Shapiro is a strong possibility for the Dems (and he'd get the nomination rather easily) but he's also thinking about a U.S. Senate run. If I were him, I think a run for the House is clearly the best bet. Shapiro is a star but not enough of a star to beat Schwartz in a Senatorial primary (whether the field is crowded or not).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on November 22, 2008, 06:03:41 PM
Revival!!!!

Ok, we all know Allyson wants the Senate.  Who will be the Dem nominees?  GOP?  Does the GOP have a chance at getting this seat back?

The GOP has a chance if 2010 is absolutely terrible for the Dems. Who the hell knows who wants to run on our side. Shapiro is a strong possibility for the Dems (and he'd get the nomination rather easily) but he's also thinking about a U.S. Senate run. If I were him, I think a run for the House is clearly the best bet. Shapiro is a star but not enough of a star to beat Schwartz in a Senatorial primary (whether the field is crowded or not).

Shapiro would win easily as well.  I'd recommend he'd run for the House and who knows when Casey retires, he could fill in.  Then again for balance purposes, we should have a Dem from the West or upstate.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 12, 2008, 11:07:09 AM
Torsella stepping down from Constitution Center for another run? - http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-69/1229014194173500.xml&storylist=penn (http://www.pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-69/1229014194173500.xml&storylist=penn)


They always talked about him running once Allyson was done here. Assuming Shapiro doesn't run for the Senate (which I think is a safe assumption. I think he's doing exactly what he did for his State House seat - initially say he's running for Congress so that he's guaranteed the other spot), Torsella would have a real battle on his hands for the nomination here. Shapiro definitely has the edge but it could be a fun race to watch.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on December 12, 2008, 02:21:10 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil
Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.


What exactly is this? I was reading through this thread and this statement caught me off guard. Phil is praising Bob Casey Jr.?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 12, 2008, 06:48:17 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil
Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.


What exactly is this? I was reading through this thread and this statement caught me off guard. Phil is praising Bob Casey Jr.?

That was from when I was stupid.

I have made it very clear that Bob Casey, Jr. used to be my favorite Democrat. Looking back on that State Treasurer race, which included Casey, Pepper (the RINO odd ball) and our very own Daryl W. Perry, I would have skipped the race (as I did this year).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on December 12, 2008, 07:19:49 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil
Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.


What exactly is this? I was reading through this thread and this statement caught me off guard. Phil is praising Bob Casey Jr.?

That was from when I was stupid.

I have made it very clear that Bob Casey, Jr. used to be my favorite Democrat. Looking back on that State Treasurer race, which included Casey, Pepper (the RINO odd ball) and our very own Daryl W. Perry, I would have skipped the race (as I did this year).

Of course Phil left out the part where Casey jumped into a Senate race, which Phil claimed he didn't want or wouldn't win, and beat his most beloved politician in the whole world, by the largest margin of defeat for an incumbent since George McGovern lost his 1980 reelection bid.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 12, 2008, 07:25:39 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil
Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.


What exactly is this? I was reading through this thread and this statement caught me off guard. Phil is praising Bob Casey Jr.?

That was from when I was stupid.

I have made it very clear that Bob Casey, Jr. used to be my favorite Democrat. Looking back on that State Treasurer race, which included Casey, Pepper (the RINO odd ball) and our very own Daryl W. Perry, I would have skipped the race (as I did this year).

Of course Phil left out the part where Casey jumped into a Senate race, which Phil claimed he didn't want or wouldn't win, and beat his most beloved politician in the whole world, by the largest margin of defeat for an incumbent since George McGovern lost his 1980 reelection bid.

Uh...I don't know what's up your ass but I don't know why I'd have to include that part. I think it's pretty damn self evident. But, hey, thank you for doing that. We all know how necessary it was.  ::)

By the way, we can't argue with proof that Casey wanted it or not but pretty much everyone here would agree that he didn't truly want it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on December 12, 2008, 09:26:14 PM
Quote from: Keystone Phil
Bob Casey, Jr. Very popular guy. If I could have voted in this election, he would have received my vote. Pro life, conservative Dem but no chance of running for the Senate. He wants to be Governor and if, for whatever reason he decided to run for Senate, pro choice groups would put up a challenger in the primary.


What exactly is this? I was reading through this thread and this statement caught me off guard. Phil is praising Bob Casey Jr.?

That was from when I was stupid.

I have made it very clear that Bob Casey, Jr. used to be my favorite Democrat. Looking back on that State Treasurer race, which included Casey, Pepper (the RINO odd ball) and our very own Daryl W. Perry, I would have skipped the race (as I did this year).

Of course Phil left out the part where Casey jumped into a Senate race, which Phil claimed he didn't want or wouldn't win, and beat his most beloved politician in the whole world, by the largest margin of defeat for an incumbent since George McGovern lost his 1980 reelection bid.

Uh...I don't know what's up your ass but I don't know why I'd have to include that part. I think it's pretty damn self evident. But, hey, thank you for doing that. We all know how necessary it was.  ::)

By the way, we can't argue with proof that Casey wanted it or not but pretty much everyone here would agree that he didn't truly want it.

Oh I agree he didn't want that job. But his disinterest wasn;t enough for him to resist pressure to run from the Democratic party. I mentioned that little tidbit b/c ever since 2006 your dislike of Casey has grown significantly.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 12, 2008, 11:54:12 PM
I mentioned that little tidbit b/c ever since 2006 your dislike of Casey has grown significantly.

Well, thank you for stating the obvious. Next post will be, "Phil failed to mention that he voted for Santorum."


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on December 13, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
I mentioned that little tidbit b/c ever since 2006 your dislike of Casey has grown significantly.

Well, thank you for stating the obvious. Next post will be, "Phil failed to mention that he voted for Santorum."

So what I would have too if I still lived in PA. I don't intend to make another post about this I would prefer it to be dropped. I don't know why you had to drag this thing out.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 13, 2008, 04:34:59 PM
I mentioned that little tidbit b/c ever since 2006 your dislike of Casey has grown significantly.

Well, thank you for stating the obvious. Next post will be, "Phil failed to mention that he voted for Santorum."

So what I would have too if I still lived in PA. I don't intend to make another post about this I would prefer it to be dropped. I don't know why you had to drag this thing out.

I only "dragged this thing out" because your commentary made no sense whatsoever. You went on to say that I left out that Santorum lost. I didn't understand why that was necessary since it's like saying, "Oh, yeah, for anyone that didn't realize...the sun is bright." Then you said it was a joke and you felt the need to post it because I've grown to dislike Casey ever since he beat Santorum. Again, it was more of you stating the obvious. It was totally unnecessary but whatever.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 10, 2009, 11:27:51 PM
Theoretical-  Sestak stays mum on Senate, but Schwartz jumps in, Torsella drops out.  What would a PA 13 race look like?  My picks:

Joe Torsella vs. Stew Greenleaf

Any thoughts?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 10, 2009, 11:30:41 PM
One more month guess what date will come?

PA 13 THREAD'S 5 YEAR ANNIVERSARY!!!!!!!

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Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 10, 2009, 11:49:25 PM
Torsella vs. Greenleaf would be a great matchup but Shapiro would beat Torsella in a primary. Either way, barring a great year for us, the Dems would keep the seat either way.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: The Mikado on May 11, 2009, 06:33:07 PM
I didn't think we'd see this thread again until redistricting!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 11, 2009, 06:37:25 PM
I didn't think we'd see this thread again until redistricting!

It might get somewhat interesting. I hear that a Northeast Philly guy might be getting into the race. No, Flyers, it's no one big but it would be interesting to see.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 11, 2009, 07:52:25 PM
I didn't think we'd see this thread again until redistricting!

It might get somewhat interesting. I hear that a Northeast Philly guy might be getting into the race. No, Flyers, it's no one big but it would be interesting to see.

Joe McColgan?  Would you consider him big?  Or our buddy... oh, don't make
                                                                                                                       me do it.
And you know crazy John will be the CP nominee if our buddy isn't the GOP nominee,


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 11, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
I didn't think we'd see this thread again until redistricting!

It might get somewhat interesting. I hear that a Northeast Philly guy might be getting into the race. No, Flyers, it's no one big but it would be interesting to see.

Joe McColgan?  Would you consider him big?  Or our buddy... oh, don't make
                                                                                                                       me do it.
And you know crazy John will be the CP nominee if our buddy isn't the GOP nominee,

No, not McColgan. McColgan is actually one of my committee people now (since I'm in charge in the 65th). Not Taubenberger either.  :P

Crazy John runs everytime the GOP nominates a Pro Choice candidate. The guy that has been mentioned is probably Pro Life though so if he's the nominee, Crazy John might have to run for something else!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 11, 2009, 08:00:55 PM
I didn't think we'd see this thread again until redistricting!

It might get somewhat interesting. I hear that a Northeast Philly guy might be getting into the race. No, Flyers, it's no one big but it would be interesting to see.

Joe McColgan?  Would you consider him big?  Or our buddy... oh, don't make
                                                                                                                       me do it.
And you know crazy John will be the CP nominee if our buddy isn't the GOP nominee,

No, not McColgan. McColgan is actually one of my committee people now (since I'm in charge in the 65th). Not Taubenberger either.  :P

Crazy John runs everytime the GOP nominates a Pro Choice candidate. The guy that has been mentioned is probably Pro Life though so if he's the nominee, Crazy John might have to run for something else!

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 11, 2009, 08:03:30 PM

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.

Yeah, Al used that one, too, against Brown and Bard in 2004.

There's still a chance that McDermott will run. The Montco GOP has more of a say as to who gets the nomination in PA 13. If they have someone who wants it, they'll probably win out in the end.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 11, 2009, 08:09:29 PM

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.

Yeah, Al used that one, too, against Brown and Bard in 2004.

There's still a chance that McDermott will run. The Montco GOP has more of a say as to who gets the nomination in PA 13. If they have someone who wants it, they'll probably win out in the end.

i don't know how strong they are right now.  I really don't.  They lost badly last election, but 2007 showed a light for them with holding the DA and 2 of the Commish spots.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 11, 2009, 08:14:41 PM

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.

Yeah, Al used that one, too, against Brown and Bard in 2004.

There's still a chance that McDermott will run. The Montco GOP has more of a say as to who gets the nomination in PA 13. If they have someone who wants it, they'll probably win out in the end.

i don't know how strong they are right now.  I really don't.  They lost badly last election, but 2007 showed a light for them with holding the DA and 2 of the Commish spots.

I'm talking about their power compared to the Philly GOP in Republican primaries.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on May 11, 2009, 08:18:14 PM

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.

Yeah, Al used that one, too, against Brown and Bard in 2004.

There's still a chance that McDermott will run. The Montco GOP has more of a say as to who gets the nomination in PA 13. If they have someone who wants it, they'll probably win out in the end.

i don't know how strong they are right now.  I really don't.  They lost badly last election, but 2007 showed a light for them with holding the DA and 2 of the Commish spots.

I'm talking about their power compared to the Philly GOP in Republican primaries.

Oh gotcha.  Then again a lot of moderates switched out there.  The Philly GOP in the district might have more power this time around wouldn't you think?  I know everyone's saying about the 200,000 GOP to Dem switch and I'm wondering if a lot of it was here or more PA 6 and 7.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 11, 2009, 08:20:09 PM

Darn,  I love his "liberal twin" comments and the like.  He's funny.

Yeah, Al used that one, too, against Brown and Bard in 2004.

There's still a chance that McDermott will run. The Montco GOP has more of a say as to who gets the nomination in PA 13. If they have someone who wants it, they'll probably win out in the end.

i don't know how strong they are right now.  I really don't.  They lost badly last election, but 2007 showed a light for them with holding the DA and 2 of the Commish spots.

I'm talking about their power compared to the Philly GOP in Republican primaries.

Oh gotcha.  Then again a lot of moderates switched out there.  The Philly GOP in the district might have more power this time around wouldn't you think?  I know everyone's saying about the 200,000 GOP to Dem switch and I'm wondering if a lot of it was here or more PA 6 and 7.

I'm not talking about the actual primary; I'm talking about the lead up to it/the party organizations.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Meeker on July 25, 2009, 11:53:11 PM
I think that the most remarkable aspect of this thread is that the election occurred on page 51 and the thread is now on page 107. More than half of this drivel was posted after the contest had ended.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: King on July 26, 2009, 01:31:39 AM
I think that the most remarkable aspect of this thread is that the election occurred on page 51 and the thread is now on page 107. More than half of this drivel was posted after the contest had ended.

Even more remarkable: you researched this.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 26, 2009, 06:21:05 AM
More than half of this drivel was posted after the contest had ended.

If there is one thing that brings Flyers and me together...


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on July 26, 2009, 06:54:38 AM
I think that the most remarkable aspect of this thread is that the election occurred on page 51 and the thread is now on page 107. More than half of this drivel was posted after the contest had ended.

Apparently there is something about 13 that makes guys go crazy.

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Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Phony Moderate on July 13, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
So what will happen here in 2012?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 13, 2011, 10:18:56 AM
She'll probably win another term, my guess, though I haven't really seen the new Pennsylvania map.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Napoleon on July 13, 2011, 10:42:45 AM
She'll probably win another term, my guess, though I haven't really seen the new Pennsylvania map.

If the Republicans don't pack this district they risk losing 2-3 other seats.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 13, 2011, 10:47:02 AM
Yawn.

I haven't even heard anyone rumored to run on our side. Two friends of mine that ran last time were talking about running again but haven't mentioned it in months.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Devils30 on July 17, 2011, 12:09:11 AM
I  think republicans who think they'll win this district are a tad off. Yes, its historically GOP but didnt Obama win 60% here?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 17, 2011, 12:13:34 AM
I  think republicans who think they'll win this district are a tad off. Yes, its historically GOP but didnt Obama win 60% here?

No one is arguing that it will be won now. That isn't to say that it is a solid Democratic seat. Schwartz could have had a much closer race last year if we nominated someone else but she's still very difficult to beat. The demographics, party registration edge and her personal organization provide a nice firewall for her.

This infamous debate is primarily from 2004 when it was supposed to be a closely contested race (like it was in 2002). Plus, I'm hearing rumors that our beloved 13th could look very different after redistricting, with a significant part of the Northeast (sadly, my area) being thrown into a solid Democratic seat. I still think it's a stretch but it's the idea being tossed around now.

And just as a note: this PA 13 isn't historically Republican. That was the old 13th which didn't include Northeast Philadelphia. It was a Montco district and Montco was very different politically just over a decade ago.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 17, 2011, 11:03:03 PM
I  think republicans who think they'll win this district are a tad off. Yes, its historically GOP but didnt Obama win 60% here?

No one is arguing that it will be won now. That isn't to say that it is a solid Democratic seat. Schwartz could have had a much closer race last year if we nominated someone else but she's still very difficult to beat. The demographics, party registration edge and her personal organization provide a nice firewall for her.

This infamous debate is primarily from 2004 when it was supposed to be a closely contested race (like it was in 2002). Plus, I'm hearing rumors that our beloved 13th could look very different after redistricting, with a significant part of the Northeast (sadly, my area) being thrown into a solid Democratic seat. I still think it's a stretch but it's the idea being tossed around now.

And just as a note: this PA 13 isn't historically Republican. That was the old 13th which didn't include Northeast Philadelphia. It was a Montco district and Montco was very different politically just over a decade ago.

I heard they're looking to pack Lower Merion back into the 13th and some Dem areas.  It'll be a 60-40 seat when all is said and done.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 18, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Oh geez I just realized this thread is over 7 years old and I first posted here when I was only a year older than Phil is now!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on July 18, 2011, 08:12:27 PM
I  think republicans who think they'll win this district are a tad off. Yes, its historically GOP but didnt Obama win 60% here?

No one is arguing that it will be won now. That isn't to say that it is a solid Democratic seat. Schwartz could have had a much closer race last year if we nominated someone else but she's still very difficult to beat. The demographics, party registration edge and her personal organization provide a nice firewall for her.

This infamous debate is primarily from 2004 when it was supposed to be a closely contested race (like it was in 2002). Plus, I'm hearing rumors that our beloved 13th could look very different after redistricting, with a significant part of the Northeast (sadly, my area) being thrown into a solid Democratic seat. I still think it's a stretch but it's the idea being tossed around now.

And just as a note: this PA 13 isn't historically Republican. That was the old 13th which didn't include Northeast Philadelphia. It was a Montco district and Montco was very different politically just over a decade ago.

I heard they're looking to pack Lower Merion back into the 13th and some Dem areas.  It'll be a 60-40 seat when all is said and done.

Lower Merion is becoming quite Democratic.  Their Commissioners are majority D, 10 to 4.  It wasn't when Fox held the seat.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 23, 2011, 02:12:48 PM
I would definitely love to keep Lower Merion in PA 6 though.  It's all talk until we see a map.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Snowstalker Mk. II on December 19, 2011, 09:09:39 PM
Allyson Schwartz is Satan!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: tmthforu94 on December 19, 2011, 09:34:59 PM

No she isn't.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: krazen1211 on December 19, 2011, 09:43:13 PM
PA-13 is a 65% Obama district now.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 19, 2011, 10:08:51 PM
I thought of bumping this to mark the end of my residency in this district. Looks like others took care of that for me. It was fun while it last.


66%  ;)

That might be the silver lining for me. Sure, I'd still rather be in the 13th as opposed to the 1st but the 13th isn't even in "teaser" territory anymore.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on December 20, 2011, 01:46:25 AM
I thought of bumping this to mark the end of my residency in this district. Looks like others took care of that for me. It was fun while it last.


66%  ;)

That might be the silver lining for me. Sure, I'd still rather be in the 13th as opposed to the 1st but the 13th isn't even in "teaser" territory anymore.

As for me I'm still in it, but soon to be in PA 2 for 2012 cause of a move, but after that .. well.. likely PA 6, 7, or back to 13.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 02, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
We're back!

I might not be in the district anymore - my street is actually the border between PA 1, 8 and 13 and I'm pretty sure Flyers isn't in the 13th either! - but that doesn't mean I won't be commenting on what will be, at the very least, a very interesting Democratic primary.

Montco State Senator and liberal firebrand Daylin Leach is the first to officially declare. He released a campaign video today.

http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/ (http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/)

He's playing up his NE Philly roots (something I was unaware of), knowing Philly State Representative Brendan Boyle will be one of his opponents. Boyle announced the hiring of two former DCCC staffers today.

The only other two individuals that have taken steps towards running are former Philadelphia City Controller/very well known local Dem cheerleader Jonathan Saidel and physician Valerie Arkoosh. They both filed with the FEC. I'm not sure about Arkoosh but I don't think Saidel will pull the trigger. There's buzz that State Senator LeAnna Washington might run but I'm not buying it at all.

The new 13th's Dems are pretty evenly split between the two counties but I believe NE Philly has the slight advantage. Stay tuned because this is going to be a fun one.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: krazen1211 on April 02, 2013, 06:48:14 PM
We're back!

I might not be in the district anymore - my street is actually the border between PA 1, 8 and 13 and I'm pretty sure Flyers isn't in the 13th either! - but that doesn't mean I won't be commenting on what will be, at the very least, a very interesting Democratic primary.

Montco State Senator and liberal firebrand Daylin Leach is the first to officially declare. He released a campaign video today.

http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/ (http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/)

He's playing up his NE Philly roots (something I was unaware of), knowing Philly State Representative Brendan Boyle will be one of his opponents. Boyle announced the hiring of two former DCCC staffers today.

The only other two individuals that have taken steps towards running are former Philadelphia City Controller/very well known local Dem cheerleader Jonathan Saidel and physician Valerie Arkoosh. They both filed with the FEC. I'm not sure about Arkoosh but I don't think Saidel will pull the trigger. There's buzz that State Senator LeAnna Washington might run but I'm not buying it at all.

The new 13th's Dems are pretty evenly split between the two counties but I believe NE Philly has the slight advantage. Stay tuned because this is going to be a fun one.

52.3% of the registered Democrats are in Philadelphia County.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 03, 2013, 07:40:06 PM
We're back!

I might not be in the district anymore - my street is actually the border between PA 1, 8 and 13 and I'm pretty sure Flyers isn't in the 13th either! - but that doesn't mean I won't be commenting on what will be, at the very least, a very interesting Democratic primary.

Montco State Senator and liberal firebrand Daylin Leach is the first to officially declare. He released a campaign video today.

http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/ (http://www.politicspa.com/leach-announces-pa-13-democratic-primary-kicks-off/47127/)

He's playing up his NE Philly roots (something I was unaware of), knowing Philly State Representative Brendan Boyle will be one of his opponents. Boyle announced the hiring of two former DCCC staffers today.

The only other two individuals that have taken steps towards running are former Philadelphia City Controller/very well known local Dem cheerleader Jonathan Saidel and physician Valerie Arkoosh. They both filed with the FEC. I'm not sure about Arkoosh but I don't think Saidel will pull the trigger. There's buzz that State Senator LeAnna Washington might run but I'm not buying it at all.

The new 13th's Dems are pretty evenly split between the two counties but I believe NE Philly has the slight advantage. Stay tuned because this is going to be a fun one.

I'm not in the 13th anymore.  Now in the 2nd, moving to either the 6th, 7th or possibly even the Montco portion of the 13th again after I get married.  District lines for where we're looking are just that fuzzy. 

Anyway, this is a tough one for me.  Actually with Leach, Saidel and Boyle VERY tough for me.  Thankfully I probably don't have to vote in this!  I like things about all 3.  I don't want to make abortion rights an eliminator, but it may very well be the straw that breaks the camels back in this case.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 03, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
Thread now 8 years, 10 months old!  Where did the time go?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 05, 2013, 07:41:53 AM
I don't think Saidel runs. Anyway, I meant to mention this earlier: Leach will be very close to or almost any identical twin of Alan Grayson. BRTD would love him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 08, 2013, 12:43:13 PM
Boyle has officially filed an exploratory committee and, in a surprising (to me) move, so has Saidel. He is also the chairman of Schwartz's Gubernatorial campaign committee. This got even more interesting.


Title: Game changer in PA 13? Marjorie Margolies returns?
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 09, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
Former PA 13 Congresswoman Marjorie Margolies (Mezvinsky. She has since been divorced) is toying with a run. As you may know, she was the infamous deciding vote for the Clinton tax hike. She lost her seat in 1994. Bill and Hillary are now her in-laws - http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-game-changer-margolies-floats-bid-for-schwartz-seat/47278/ (http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-game-changer-margolies-floats-bid-for-schwartz-seat/47278/)


This would be a game changer. Bill is supposedly pushing her to run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 09, 2013, 10:30:07 PM
I don't think Saidel runs. Anyway, I meant to mention this earlier: Leach will be very close to or almost any identical twin of Alan Grayson. BRTD would love him.

Do you think Leach will be as abrasive as Grayson?  Boyle looks better on personal creds, but Planned Parenthood and NARAL might have issues espeically considering it's Schwartz's successor.  While PA 13 has some similarities to MA 9 and IL 3 (The NE Philly part), it isn't quite that socially conservative.  If I somehow end up back in the 13th, this will definitely be a nose holder vote for me in 2014.  Question is do I vote for someone I know personally better or how they'll potentially vote in Congress?  IMO, Leach is awesome on social issues while Boyle will have to suck up to Reagan Democrats even in the primary.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: krazen1211 on April 10, 2013, 08:56:59 AM
The PA Delegation will be all male if Boyle wins, so somebody from Emily's list and company might back the last woman standing.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 10, 2013, 10:04:06 AM
I'm hearing Arkoosh might actually be legit. She supposedly has Schwartz's support, a great reputation as an activist and a ton of money.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 11, 2013, 09:45:59 PM
I'm hearing Arkoosh might actually be legit. She supposedly has Schwartz's support, a great reputation as an activist and a ton of money.

In which I could see a split liberal base with Boyle picking up the union and Reagan Dems similar to the 2000 PA Dem Senate primary.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 13, 2013, 09:04:47 AM
Schwartz stated that she doesn't intend to make an endorsement here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 13, 2013, 12:32:21 PM
Schwartz stated that she doesn't intend to make an endorsement here.

I would find it as hard as her to make one as well! ;)  Basically for me it's let's hear them out.  As hard as it would be to go against Brendan Boyle personally, I have some disagreements with him on policies I agree with Daylin Leach on.  Choice and marijuana legalization are 2 issues I'm not going to look the other way on.  That said it would not behoove Brendan to agree with those positions looking at his potential base of support.  In the end I think it will come down to Leach vs. Boyle with Arkoosh being the last liberal holdout ultimately backing Leach results Leach 64- Boyle 36.  Boyle will win Fox Chase, Mayfair, and blocks near parishes easily, but it won't be enough to overcome Leach's national support (NY + MA + CA + IL $$$$) and the rest of the district which is generally secular.  The airwaves will decimate Boyle.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 13, 2013, 12:44:27 PM
And it should be noted that Leach will do well in certain areas of the NE. Losing areas like mine to PA 1 really hurts Boyle.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 13, 2013, 02:17:48 PM
And it should be noted that Leach will do well in certain areas of the NE. Losing areas like mine to PA 1 really hurts Boyle.

Losing the river Wards to Brady hurts Boyle BADLY hence my prediction.  We'd be talking a much closer race, possibly a 50-50 split with Holmesburg, Tacony, Bridesburg, and Port Richmond in the district.  Fox Chase, Mayfair, and the heavily Catholic parts of Somerton will be Boyle's strenghts.  Elsewhere not so much.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 13, 2013, 02:23:16 PM
Definitely don't want to take away from Brendan Boyle here especially on Sandusky, gun control and labor which are areas where he's awesome on.  I know he has a ton of future potential, but let's just say this was not the right office for him nor Schwartz running for Gov. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 13, 2013, 05:55:25 PM
And it should be noted that Leach will do well in certain areas of the NE. Losing areas like mine to PA 1 really hurts Boyle.

Losing the river Wards to Brady hurts Boyle BADLY hence my prediction.  We'd be talking a much closer race, possibly a 50-50 split with Holmesburg, Tacony, Bridesburg, and Port Richmond in the district.  Fox Chase, Mayfair, and the heavily Catholic parts of Somerton will be Boyle's strenghts.  Elsewhere not so much.

Brendan would also do well in Torresdale (my area). Not nearly as blue collar as the other neighborhoods you mentioned but that actually might have suited him better. Boyle has a lot of support from labor but his style isn't that of a Bob Brady. A lot of areas in Torresdale are like Somerton.

In other news, per his Twitter, long time State Representative Mark Cohen said he's considering a run. He was briefly a candidate in 2004 trying to run a Howard Dean-esque campaign (right down to the logo design) despite being very well established. This would make things even more complicated for Boyle but Cohen would also run best in Leach areas so who knows.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 14, 2013, 11:05:32 PM
Cohen- Another guy I like personally.  Leach still strikes me better for some reason. Cohen would definitely help Boyle if he ran in that Boyle might only need to eke out 30% and win.  Leach would definitely come on top of the progressives, but a sharp vote split is likely. Are we looking at 2000 PA Senate Race v 2.0 here? 

Million dollar question is who would be GOP nominee be?

Tauben
       berger!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 14, 2013, 11:07:54 PM

Million dollar question is who would be GOP nominee be?

Tauben
       berger!


No, he won't run for that again.  ;)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 16, 2013, 11:40:53 AM
Saidel has dropped out, specifically citing Margolies' interest in running.


Title: Big PA 13 news: Brady backs Boyle.
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 16, 2013, 01:26:42 PM
In a sign of Philly Dems rallying around their lone candidate as Saidel drops out, Dem Chairman/Congressman Bob Brady has endorsed Boyle.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: krazen1211 on April 16, 2013, 04:58:32 PM
Bob Brady dropped the hammer.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2013, 02:12:38 PM
State Representative Mark Cohen is now in so Boyle isn't the only Philly candidate. He's going to be a real wildcard as his brand is more Montco (hurting Leach, Arkoosh and maybe Margolies) but he's been a State Representative in the NE since 1974 and has a base.

The city machine and labor will be with Boyle but Cohen will peel some of that away.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 19, 2013, 01:25:04 PM
State Representative Mark Cohen is now in so Boyle isn't the only Philly candidate. He's going to be a real wildcard as his brand is more Montco (hurting Leach, Arkoosh and maybe Margolies) but he's been a State Representative in the NE since 1974 and has a base.

The city machine and labor will be with Boyle but Cohen will peel some of that away.

This is gonna be a sh**t show.  I just know it.  Then again the seat is now soooo Democratic the primary will determine the winner.  You will basically need a William Jefferson hiding money in the freezer for the GOP to take this seat.  That's probably why so many Dems feel emboldened to run.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 19, 2013, 02:41:35 PM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.


Title: Breaking: PA 13 will be a circus again! Margolies is in.
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 29, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Former Congresswoman and Clinton in law Marjorie Margolies is officially in. Should be a real battle.


Title: Re: Breaking: PA 13 will be a circus again! Margolies is in.
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 08, 2013, 03:47:41 PM
Former Congresswoman and Clinton in law Marjorie Margolies is officially in. Should be a real battle.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Gotta say this is great news for Brendan Boyle.  Boyle is my 2nd choice in this behind Daylin Leach as of now.  MM would be my LAST choice.  She needs to go away.  I don't think MM will do all that great, BUT she will get enough a percentage to possibly make the eventual winner win with far less than 50%.  If I have to say this about Brendan Boyle, he has possibly the highest floor % in the field due to his strong union support and neighborhood ties.  Some of his views however cause a low ceiling % for him.  Him vs. say Leach alone, he gets clobbered.  A messy primary, like the 2000 US Senate race in PA, could bode well for him.  

I HOPE primary voters will get turned off by the whole Bob Brady/SOCon machine backing (Boyle)vs. Bill Clinton (Margolies) backing to send Leach to Congress.  Voters sent Nutter to the mayor's office despite Brady being on the ballot so one can hope!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 08, 2013, 06:44:28 PM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 09, 2013, 08:11:35 AM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.

...that isn't really shocking. Onorato wasn't some horrific candidate and he wasn't clobbered statewide.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on June 09, 2013, 05:09:27 PM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.

...that isn't really shocking. Onorato wasn't some horrific candidate and he wasn't clobbered statewide.

If I could compare PA-13 to any other district I'd say NY-9 but slightly more Democratic.  It would take a Weiner-like scandal to make it close.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 09, 2013, 08:29:42 PM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.

...that isn't really shocking. Onorato wasn't some horrific candidate and he wasn't clobbered statewide.

If I could compare PA-13 to any other district I'd say NY-9 but slightly more Democratic.  It would take a Weiner-like scandal to make it close.

I think that's a lot more fair.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 18, 2013, 01:35:14 PM
Remember how I said Leach would be another Alan Grayson in Congress?

Leach also scored an endorsement for another well-known progressive, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL).

http://www.politicspa.com/q2-a-closer-look-at-pa-13-reports/49564/ (http://www.politicspa.com/q2-a-closer-look-at-pa-13-reports/49564/)

Margolies had a surprisingly weak quarter as she finished at the bottom of the four person field. It has led to rumblings about just how much her in-laws will be doing for her even though prominent Clintonistas still contributed to her. Despite being the political outsider (compared to Margolies, Boyle and Leach), Arkoosh had the strongest showing and is clearly ready to play ball.

Stay tuned. This one is going to be fun.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 20, 2013, 02:37:36 PM
Remember how I said Leach would be another Alan Grayson in Congress?

Leach also scored an endorsement for another well-known progressive, Rep. Alan Grayson (D-FL).

http://www.politicspa.com/q2-a-closer-look-at-pa-13-reports/49564/ (http://www.politicspa.com/q2-a-closer-look-at-pa-13-reports/49564/)

Margolies had a surprisingly weak quarter as she finished at the bottom of the four person field. It has led to rumblings about just how much her in-laws will be doing for her even though prominent Clintonistas still contributed to her. Despite being the political outsider (compared to Margolies, Boyle and Leach), Arkoosh had the strongest showing and is clearly ready to play ball.

Stay tuned. This one is going to be fun.

I think this only helps Boyle out.  Remember I said he has the lowest ceiling, but the highest floor.  While Boyle will struggle mightily in Montgomery Co., he can consolidate his NE Philly/Union GOTV support and have the rest of them in a bloodbath.  He may come out on top with winning less than 35% of the vote.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 20, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
I think this only helps Boyle out.  Remember I said he has the lowest ceiling, but the highest floor.  While Boyle will struggle mightily in Montgomery Co., he can consolidate his NE Philly/Union GOTV support and have the rest of them in a bloodbath.  He may come out on top with winning less than 35% of the vote.

Agreed. If Margolies just never takes off, I think Boyle takes it. But Margolies won't be left stranded by the Clintons. Though with the Clintons, I guess you never really know even when you're dealing with in-laws.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Mr.Phips on July 21, 2013, 12:20:00 PM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.

...that isn't really shocking. Onorato wasn't some horrific candidate and he wasn't clobbered statewide.

If I could compare PA-13 to any other district I'd say NY-9 but slightly more Democratic.  It would take a Weiner-like scandal to make it close.

I think that's a lot more fair.

PA-13 is substantially more Dem than NY-09 and is moving in an opposite direction.  NY-09 was a district that Gore got about 70% of the vote in 2000 but eight years later Obama got just 55%.  Gore probably got around 61% in the current PA-13 and Obama got 68% there. 


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 22, 2013, 10:58:50 AM
It's a very comfortable Democratic seat, no doubt, but I wouldn't say that it takes a Jefferson type scandal for the GOP to win it. That's what it took to win one of the most Democratic seats in the nation. I think it would require a little less for the 13th to flip.

It probably would require a Jefferson type scandal for Republicans to win here.  This is a seat that even Dan Onorato won by double digits in 2010.

...that isn't really shocking. Onorato wasn't some horrific candidate and he wasn't clobbered statewide.

If I could compare PA-13 to any other district I'd say NY-9 but slightly more Democratic.  It would take a Weiner-like scandal to make it close.

I think that's a lot more fair.

PA-13 is substantially more Dem than NY-09 and is moving in an opposite direction.  NY-09 was a district that Gore got about 70% of the vote in 2000 but eight years later Obama got just 55%.  Gore probably got around 61% in the current PA-13 and Obama got 68% there. 

That doesn't mean it's more likely that a Jefferson type than a Weiner type scandal is necessary to make the seat flip. There are demographics and other electoral history that makes the 13th closer to an NY 9 than an uber Democratic strictly inner city Dem district where Obama would get around 90%.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on July 22, 2013, 09:59:39 PM
I think this only helps Boyle out.  Remember I said he has the lowest ceiling, but the highest floor.  While Boyle will struggle mightily in Montgomery Co., he can consolidate his NE Philly/Union GOTV support and have the rest of them in a bloodbath.  He may come out on top with winning less than 35% of the vote.

Agreed. If Margolies just never takes off, I think Boyle takes it. But Margolies won't be left stranded by the Clintons. Though with the Clintons, I guess you never really know even when you're dealing with in-laws.

Margolies' lack of fundraising shocked me.  I thought she'd be the queen in that department.  I have to say looking at the Philly portion of the district the Clintons could have an impact in the minority portions of the district plus people who admire the Clintons a lot.  Not to mention Boyle would need parts of NE Philly that went to Bob Brady in the last redraw such as Tacony and the River Wards.  The X Factor here is what will the Clintons do for Margolies?  Bottom line Leach has the progressives and likely younger voters not attached to unions, Boyle has union members and Reagan Democrats (provided they didn't die or switch parties).  I think a stronger MM hurts Boyle in NE Philly.

FTR, I'm still leaning Leach with Boyle a close 2nd.


Title: Margolies up 33 in PA 13.
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2013, 08:31:42 AM
Margolies releases an internal showing her up 33 points - https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead (https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead)

Margolies - 48%
Boyle - 15%
Leach - 7%
Arkoosh - 2%

Of course, it's all name recognition at this point.


Title: Re: Margolies up 33 in PA 13.
Post by: publicunofficial on August 22, 2013, 03:30:59 PM
Margolies releases an internal showing her up 33 points - https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead (https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead)

Margolies - 48%
Boyle - 15%
Leach - 7%
Arkoosh - 2%

Of course, it's all name recognition at this point.


Which is fishy as hell for me. 48% of people remember a one-term rep from almost two decades ago over a State Rep and a State Senator from the area?


Title: Re: Margolies up 33 in PA 13.
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 22, 2013, 05:50:01 PM
Margolies releases an internal showing her up 33 points - https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead (https://www.marjorie2014.com/roll-call-primary-poll-lead)

Margolies - 48%
Boyle - 15%
Leach - 7%
Arkoosh - 2%

Of course, it's all name recognition at this point.


Which is fishy as hell for me. 48% of people remember a one-term rep from almost two decades ago over a State Rep and a State Senator from the area?

Well, she was a very notable Congresswoman, she's in laws with the Clinton's and she is still visibly involved with local causes. For those that are "in the know," she's regularly on one of the local Sunday morning debate shows.

That said, she isn't up by that much and even if she was, it's all name recognition anyway. Arkoosh at 2% makes perfect sense at least.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Anti Democrat Democrat Club on January 16, 2014, 09:22:19 PM
Dee Adcock, the 2010 nominee, is in here. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/U-TURN/Old-rival-to-run-for-Schwartzs-seat.html) Time to revive the institution.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ElectionsGuy on January 16, 2014, 09:38:13 PM
A 67 page thread on a house race? What is this?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Gass3268 on January 16, 2014, 09:39:21 PM
A 67 page thread on a house race? What is this?

Goes back to 2004.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: ElectionsGuy on January 16, 2014, 09:40:31 PM

Yes, I know. Just kind of weird, is all.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Zioneer on January 16, 2014, 09:48:43 PM
I'm rooting for Leach, personally. It makes sense to get the most progressive candidate possible for this district.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: RogueBeaver on January 16, 2014, 09:56:55 PM
Don't think I posted this Politico feature on Margolies. Ideological chameleon and sleazy as hell. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/the-clinton-in-law-marjorie-margolies-100696.html#.UtibmDaA3ug)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Zioneer on January 16, 2014, 10:42:14 PM
Don't think I posted this Politico feature on Margolies. Ideological chameleon and sleazy as hell. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/the-clinton-in-law-marjorie-margolies-100696.html#.UtibmDaA3ug)

Ugh, if I was a PA 13 Dem, I would definitely vote against her. That level of sleaziness and ideological chameleonism is gross.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 16, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
Dee Adcock, the 2010 nominee, is in here. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/U-TURN/Old-rival-to-run-for-Schwartzs-seat.html) Time to revive the institution.

Yep. I know a few of the other candidates rather well. That's all I'll say though. :P


Learn some of the history before barging in with stupidity. Thanks.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on January 21, 2014, 03:04:18 PM
I'm back for this thread's almost 10 year anniversary.. I think.  This is no longer my district either.  If I lived here I'd still be torn between Boyle and Leach.  I DO NOT want Margolies!  I'm still glad I don't have to toss a coin here and vote for either.  Both would make excellent Congressmen.  I'm actually going to have to see a debate on this race.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 21, 2014, 07:42:31 PM
Haha, yeah, ten years of this Forum Masterpiece and neither of us are in the district anymore (though for different reasons).


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 26, 2014, 10:57:32 PM
Margolies being a no show at a forum somehow makes national political news - http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com (http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com)


Disappointing that the final line of the article states there isn't a Republican contender for the seat. There are in fact several Republicans running. Sloppy journalism.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: publicunofficial on January 26, 2014, 11:03:18 PM
Margolies being a no show at a forum somehow makes national political news - http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com (http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com)


Disappointing that the final line of the article states there isn't a Republican contender for the seat. There are in fact several Republicans running. Sloppy journalism.


Possible that by "contender" they mean "Candidate who has a prayer of winning"


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on January 27, 2014, 07:56:56 AM
Margolies being a no show at a forum somehow makes national political news - http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com (http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=22081491&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fm.facebook.com)


Disappointing that the final line of the article states there isn't a Republican contender for the seat. There are in fact several Republicans running. Sloppy journalism.


Possible that by "contender" they mean "Candidate who has a prayer of winning"

Eh, I still think you show some respect and mention (if you're going to mention the General) that the GOP has candidates but the district is heavily tilted to the Dems.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: publicunofficial on January 29, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
Leach has gained the endorsement (http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-leach-receives-slew-of-new-montco-endorsements/54594/) of former Rep. and Montgomery County Commissioner Joe Hoeffel, who was Schwartz's predecessor.


Hoeffel cited Leach's debate performance as his reason for endorsing him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Anti Democrat Democrat Club on January 29, 2014, 09:42:00 PM
Glorious news!


Title: Bill Clinton to stump for Chelsea's mother-in-law.
Post by: Keystone Phil on March 13, 2014, 07:03:04 AM
Bill Clinton will be headlining a Philadelphia fundraiser next month for Margolies. In other big news, Montco County Commissioners Chair Josh Shapiro has endorsed Margolies as well. It's been a good week for her.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: J. J. on March 13, 2014, 12:08:23 PM
A 67 page thread on a house race? What is this?

Tradition.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Badger on March 14, 2014, 05:24:42 PM
Dee Adcock, the 2010 nominee, is in here. (http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/U-TURN/Old-rival-to-run-for-Schwartzs-seat.html) Time to revive the institution.

Yep. I know a few of the other candidates rather well. That's all I'll say though. :P


Learn some of the history before barging in with stupidity. Thanks.

Noting a 67 page long thread on a single congressional district as kind of weird is hardly "stupidity". It just means they haven't wasted spent a decade on here.



Toomey will be back though...don't you worry! :)


Still, when you're right, you're right. :-D


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: publicunofficial on April 08, 2014, 03:27:40 PM
Marjorie Margolies' performance is depressing me (http://www.keystonepolitics.com/2014/04/pa13-debate-well-never-forget-part-2/)


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Margolies’ surprise section was the most brutal of the night, and deservedly so. Audience members who I interacted with before the start of the debate were unsure whether the controversial decisions Margolies made as chairwoman of WCI would be addressed, but with Davies as a moderator, I knew he would not just let that subject slide. As Davies pressed into the subject further, Margolies told the audience that she recused herself from all votes regarding an increase in her salary. This remains unclear, and with a small board of directors, it remains to be seen whether it matters if she was recused. Her appointment, according to Huffington Post, to the chairwomanship of WCI occurred one month after her failed bid to be Pennsylvania’s lieutenant governor, further painting the picture to voters that her involvement in the organization was for opportunistic reasons. In regards to the plan to rent a mansion in Philadelphia on WCI’s dime with living quarters for her, after her husband’s fraud charges and their bankruptcy as a couple, Margolies said the plan “never happened. It was discussed.  A plan was drawn up….the Huffington Post piece was not true.”
Davies pushed even further, asking why living quarters were a necessary part of the proposed plan, at a time in which Margolies was losing everything. She provided a vague answer and dodged his questions, adding that the plan “went up before citizens concerned about parking issues” and that was why the plan did not go through. It was an incredibly uncomfortable exchange to witness; Margolies had, up until this point, relied on index cards in front of her in order to answer forum questions. Without any appropriate answer at all for her poor choices in the past, she became more and more frazzled, stuttering and whispering as the line of questioning continued. Eventually, Davies moved on.

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By the end, you almost began to feel sorry for Margolies…then she gave her closing statement. In a blistering, pre-written (she read from a notepad) closing statement Margolies straight cold-cocked each one of her opponents.
Saying that PA-13 deserved a representative who was “100% pro-choice” she brought up ratings from Planned Parenthood that questioned Boyle’s stance on abortion. She also hit him for suggesting there is something wrong with being a millionaire.

She then targeted Leach for his support of legalizing marijuana and brought up a Philadelphia case where the murderer was high. Leach’s puzzled reaction, which involved indescribable facial contortions and throwing his hands up in the air, made the night.

Finally, Margolies simply stated she was not confident in Val Arkoosh and questioned her support of a single-payer health care system.

Hitting your opponents for being too liberal on healthcare in a Dem primary seems really dumb to me. I think Margolies is stuck in the 90's.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: publicunofficial on April 08, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
Also, for those who can't remember which candidate is which.


Marjorie Margolies - ex Rep. (93-95), Clinton in-law, poor fundraiser, moderate dem
Daylin Leach - State Senator (09 - present), stellar progressive, "liberal lion"
Brendan Boyle - State Rep. (09 - present), Third Way/Moderate Hero type, endorsed by Bob Brady & other Philadelphia leaders
Valerie Arkoosh - Physician and activist, progressive with a focus on healthcare, good fundraiser



I REALLY REALLY want Leach to win (Imagine if Alan Grayson wasn't a massive prick), but Arkoosh would be pretty good to.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 08, 2014, 05:21:58 PM
I wouldn't say Boyle is a Moderate Hero but he is certainly the most moderate. Leach would be another Grayson (Grayson endorsed his candidacy). Margolies is establishment elite in the Schwartz mold. Arkoosh is a blend of activist and professional.

Margolies has had many, many stumbles and her past problems have been brought to light again but I still think she's favored.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: TeePee4Prez on April 10, 2014, 09:56:33 AM
I wouldn't say Boyle is a Moderate Hero but he is certainly the most moderate. Leach would be another Grayson (Grayson endorsed his candidacy). Margolies is establishment elite in the Schwartz mold. Arkoosh is a blend of activist and professional.

Margolies has had many, many stumbles and her past problems have been brought to light again but I still think she's favored.

The last statement is unfortunate for she is the last person I want BY FAR! Still a coin toss between Leach and Boyle for me.


Title: Clinton in town for Margolies and Leach's response.
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 11, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
Bill Clinton had his two fundraising stops for Margolies last night along with a stop at Temple University to speak to the Law School. I had a few friends attend the latter event and said Bill was unusually horrible. Regardless of what you think of the guy, you expect a good performance. He was supposedly all over the place in his speech and that seems to be a general theme last night: the Daily News said he was "meandering" through political stories at the Margolies events.

Alan Graynson, Jr. (Leach) has his first ad out and it's addressing Bill's stumping for Margolies. It features Leach's young daughter. It's getting national attention - http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-leach-releases-web-video-starring-his-daughter-watch/56862/ (http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-leach-releases-web-video-starring-his-daughter-watch/56862/)


Title: Margolies is going to be a grandmother.
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 17, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
Chelsea Clinton has announced that she's pregnant. More reason for Margolies to be in the news.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on April 22, 2014, 04:41:03 PM
Leach and Boyle go up on TV - http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-leach-debuts-new-childhood-ad-watch/57195/ (http://www.politicspa.com/pa-13-leach-debuts-new-childhood-ad-watch/57195/)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 05, 2014, 04:03:45 PM
Hillary to headline MM event. (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/hillary-clinton-marjorie-margolies-106360.html)


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Hifly on May 05, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
They should poll this primary!


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 05, 2014, 04:22:19 PM

Yeah, it's crazy how I haven't heard of a single independent poll here.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Hifly on May 05, 2014, 04:53:30 PM
Well apparently a Boyle internal from yesterday has Boyle on top with Margolies second.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 05, 2014, 05:27:52 PM
Well apparently a Boyle internal from yesterday has Boyle on top with Margolies second.

Yeah, there have been a few internals but it's really shocking that there aren't independent polls popping up now. Just feeds into my long held personal belief that the more localized races I care about are hardly ever polled by a neutral party. :P

Conventional wisdom is that Boyle is benefitting in the final weeks because the NE is unifying behind him. A few establishment types that were originally Boyle critics have come on board. There's one major hold out that will always be a hold out but that's for more personal reason. That leader is with Margolies. A lot of people also think that she's taken such a beating that she's not even really in the mix anymore. I don't buy that for a second. I've always believed the Clinton's would mobilize behind her and if Hillary is stumping for her, the race is far from over.

It's going to be interesting to see what effect that has in the NE. I've believed that the Clinton presence alone would mean Boyle could lose key support that he needs. He needs to run up the score here but if MM is able to peel off enough voters, it's going to be tough for him. He is helped by Montco being split up so his expected fourth place finish there isn't killer but simply winning in Philly isn't enough either.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 08, 2014, 04:21:50 PM
Boyle getting hammered from every opponent in TV ads and mailers about not really being Pro Choice. In fact, this race helped make history: it's the apparently the first time ever when EMILY's List and NARAL have teamed up to attack a candidate. They have a mailer going out with Boyle's record on abortion. He actually has a mixed record but they didn't bother to mention his Pro Planned Parenthood votes.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 14, 2014, 07:07:16 AM
Getting word of an internal showing a very close race with Leach stuck in third.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on May 14, 2014, 07:11:22 AM
Getting word of an internal showing a very close race with Leach stuck in third.

:(  I suppose long as Marjorie loses, I can live with the result though.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Hifly on May 14, 2014, 07:34:56 AM
Getting word of an internal showing a very close race with Leach stuck in third.

Praise the Lord! His attack ads have really worked well for him.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Anti Democrat Democrat Club on May 14, 2014, 09:39:59 AM
Depressing, but as long as the DINO Margolies loses, I am fine with it.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: RogueBeaver on May 14, 2014, 10:55:19 AM
Bubba appears in a Margolies ad.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Keystone Phil on May 14, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
The ad is cheap and no idea how big the buy is. It's clips of Bill from that big fundraiser awhile ago. The screen text between the clips is PowerPoint-esque.

Hillary is holding an NYC fundraiser for MM tonight. Margolies is supposedly broke so I'm guessing this is to pay for the ad and maybe some ground game operations.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sol on September 27, 2023, 05:55:25 PM
Do we think Joyce will draw a strong Dem challenger, or will he coast by in his safe seat?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Oryxslayer on September 27, 2023, 06:36:28 PM
Do we think Joyce will draw a strong Dem challenger, or will he coast by in his safe seat?

You realize what thread you bumped from almost a decade ago right?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Sol on September 27, 2023, 06:44:24 PM
Do we think Joyce will draw a strong Dem challenger, or will he coast by in his safe seat?

You realize what thread you bumped from almost a decade ago right?

Of course! It is good to follow the traditions.


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: nclib on September 30, 2023, 07:09:20 PM
And you also realize that the current PA-13 is not at all a descendant of the 2000s PA-13?


Title: Re: PA 13
Post by: Aurelius2 on September 30, 2023, 10:44:35 PM
I have been informed that this thread is in the Atlas Hall of Fame. I read the first few pages and it was all pretty tame. I'm not particularly keen on reading dozens of pages of routine #analysis: where should I start to catch the fireworks with minimal boredom?


Title: Re: Bill Clinton to stump for Chelsea's mother-in-law.
Post by: Atlas Force on October 06, 2023, 07:40:41 PM
Bill Clinton will be headlining a Philadelphia fundraiser next month for Margolies. In other big news, Montco County Commissioners Chair Josh Shapiro has endorsed Margolies as well. It's been a good week for her.

Man I bet that guy will go places one day.


I have been informed that this thread is in the Atlas Hall of Fame. I read the first few pages and it was all pretty tame. I'm not particularly keen on reading dozens of pages of routine #analysis: where should I start to catch the fireworks with minimal boredom?

It looks like things start to heat up around Pages 6-7.