Talk Elections

She supported Lieberman in both his primary and his general election.
Lieberman dropped his investigation into Bush's failure on Katrina.
Joe just killed Mary's chances in 2008.

http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/washington/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1168673400293640.xml&coll=1

The ending of the Landrieu's influence over Louisiana politics would be a good thing I think.
I'd rather her seat go to another Democrat though.

Which other Democrat? I think this seat will go Republican now that New Orleans has been sufficiently de-blacked.

C'mon, jfern, you didn't really expect Holy Joe to investigate all those Republicans after they so generously donated to his reelection campaign did you? Yes, Lieberman is slime, but this is hardly surprising. Don't ever trust anything a politician says when he/she is up for reelection that year, especially when the pol's name is Joe Lieberman.

Can the Senate Homeland Security Committee not censure its Chairman over his decision?

I'm disgusted >:( with Lieberman on this one considering all the criticism he levelled at Susan Collins back then and what he's saying now

This is not so much an abandoning of a "witch hunt" more a case of the hell with accountablity :(

And as for Michael "You're doing a heck of a job" Brown had he spoken to me in the House hearing the way he spoke to Rep. Gene Taylor, I'd have likely had my very own 'Cynthia McKinney Moment'

Dave

See? Lamont was the clearly better choice.

Lieberman is even worse than I ever thought. The guy is a complete slimeball who uses all the same rhetoric as your typical right-winger.

And I'll have less of the wise cracks! I'm asking whether or not the Committee can, more or less, overrule Lieberman?

Dave

If in the primary Lieberman basically said "nominate me or I'll run as an independent in the general, and if elected will blackmail the Democrats to put me in a powerful position and then stab the party in the back", no one would've supported him. Lieberman alone is to blame for his conduct.

The Connecticut Democratic Party made their choice, and it was no Joe Lieberman. Supporting Lieberman afterwards is enabling anything he has done today.

Oh Joe, just come to our side (I mean after you become pro-life, anti-gay, pro-gun, anti-raising taxes, etc. etc.)

He is still a Democrat in philosophy and much more so than most in the senate

You know, I don't get Lieberman.  He agrees with the Democrats on almost every single major issue save for Iraq, and yet here he is doing crap like this.  I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's wearing really thin the more he says and does.

Man this guy really ticks me off.  What does he have to gain by sheilding Bush?  I don't understand him at all.  As for killing Landrieu's chances, I think they were already dead.  Unless she can convince 200,000 people to move back to Louisiana she's done for.

I figured it out.

Joe Lieberman = htmldon

Politically, no.  They do, Lieberman bolts, and the Senate is GOP.

Maybe it's better to just let him bolt rather than allow him to f'uck up everything we try to do in the majority.

And Lieberman's chances of reelection in 2012 become significantly less than those of a snowball surviving 5 seconds in hell.

.....and all of those CT Dems who voted for Joe feel like the biggest dumbasses in history.....

I think its just to spite us for not giving him the nomination in 2004 :P

Lieberman should be stripped of his committee chair. He's bluffing.

What to the ever.

Couldn't care. Anyone not from that family.


The Landrieu's haven't "exactly" been opponents of "de-blacking" though... if Landrieu loses for that reason, it would just prove that someone up their has a sense of humour.

Re; Lieberman in general... unfortunately, the reality of the sitution with him is that you're all just going to have to get used to sucking him off every now and again for the next few years. Unless you want the Republicans to take back the Senate. He's probably enjoying all this rather a lot...

Hate to say it, but that's probably the best approximation of his motifs that we're going to get.

And I'm not so sure about the NOLA deblacking stuff... sure the city has lost population, but the Black parts of Jefferson Parish seem to be going strongly, as viz. Dollar Bill's recent election experiences. And St Bernard Parish is basically gone for good, but it had only 60,000 inhabitants, and they were mostly White Republicans anyways.

Since Joe is not welcome anymore in the Democratic Party, I propose a straight up trade - Lieberman for Hagel.  We'll both be happier.

Seconded.

Astonishing.  The Democratic Party needs to sustain as many Senate seats in the South as it can.  We only have the entire Arkansas delagation, and one in Florida, Virginia and Louisiana. 

As for Lieberman - that man really is maddening.  I hope he gets removed from Chairmanship of Homeland Security; such an important committee shouldn't have a complete tw*t like him holding it.

To sweeten the pot, we'll even throw in McCain and Lindsey Graham.  In other words, you guys can have all three media whores.

If that happens, the Democrats lose the Senate. Lieberman has got the Senate Dems by the short and curlies at the moment.

And a "predicament" the Democrats may not have even been in had he not lost the Democratic primary. I'd have prefered Joe Lieberman [Dem] in the Senate rather than Joe Lieberman [Ind]. I'd like to think Lieberman wouldn't bolt to the GOP though; but any move to remove him would be too much of a risk

I'm not with Lieberman on this one, nevertheless :(. Seems more interested in shielding Bush's skank ass then having any accountability. Does the White House have something to hide?

Of course, where does leave Mississippi's Bennie Thompson as Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee? Can he still pursue an investigation or has Joe scuppered that too?

Dave

Uh... what would that change?

What and let the Republicans control the Senate courtesy of 'King' Dick. Republican Senate candidates, as a whole, didn't get much of an endorsement from voters in 2006 to deserve that

I trust Lieberman isn't on his way to becoming another Zell Miller paralysing Harry Reid's narrow majority, the way Miller paralysed Tom Daschle's

Dave

I'd like to say that I do as well, but at this point that would be a lie.

Well, he'd have elected as a Democrat :) for a start. I don't know Lieberman personally, but I could understand him feeling, at the time, sh**t on from a great height

Maybe Lieberman is with Bush on Iraq (it's not like he isn't with the Democrats on pretty much everything else). I dare say were the Hawk in the Senate with him, he'd differ from most of his fellow Democrats on Iraq. Of course, I wouldn't be cutting Bush any slack the way Joe does. And as far as Hurrican Katrina goes that is pretty much exactly what he's doing :(. It isn't good enough :(

Dave

How about Ned Lamont [Dem] or Joe Lieberman [Ind]?

Lieberman is sh**tty on plenty of things other than Iraq. Of course Iraq is the 800 pound gorilla.

Actually, Lieberman's stated reasons for not doing so make sense.  Other than engaging in pure politics what does a Senate investigation into the minutiae of Katrina do now?  Better to focus on changing the system so that such a snafu is less likely to happen in the future.  Besides, the House with over four times the members is a better place for witch hunts anyway since they have more time to spare on such things.

fine by me. Hagel, McCain, and Graham are all men of principle who put loyalty to thier country above loyalty to their party. I'd rather have any three of them (or better yet all three) as democrats in exchange for Lieberman. I also have a feeling Hagel and Graham would be a lot more willing to investigate Bush's Katrina response.

THIS is the kind of thing I was wondering about.  It's inexcusable.  I am embarassed to say, i'm surprised...even after Joe "serviced" the Bush administration on the war.  I never though he would sink this low.

And forget Mary Landrieu.  He stabbed thousands of New Orleans residents in the back.

Check their voting records. 3 batsh**t crazy right-wingers who occasionally offer tepid criticism of their party? I'll pass.

It's not Mary's fault about her family.

This is the same guilt by association tossed at Harold Ford, Jr.

i have a feeling that most Louisianans KNOW the administration's Katrina response was bungled and don't need Joe Lieberman to tell them that. Call me naive, but how exactly does this cripple Landreiu's chances?

I agree.  Her chances were crippled when she lost 200,000 voters from her base.  No amount of Congressional investigation will save her.  Louisiana is going to be a much redder state from now on.  Although, Brangelina and crew just bought a mansion in the French Quarter so who knows, it could be the next Hollywood hotspot to raise a family!  Hmm, a Southern town with a reputation for flashing and boozing.  Sounds perfect for a certain wahsed up pop princess from the South with a penchant for partying.  It'll be a celebrity kids playgroup!  lol.

I don't get all the faces.

I hope the Democrats for Lieberman are pleased.

By all means, I'm not.  I'm stunned.

On this call, far from it :(

Dave

Of course he did...