Talk Elections

I've been looking forward to doing these for a while. Sad, aren't I? Anyways, the first one:

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For a full description (and a bigger map) go the Gallery (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22)

There are, of course, more s/p catagories than those four, it's just that they aren't very fun to make maps of at department level. Constituency is, as you will soon see, different...

Generally the pattern I'd expected, although that one department in the Pyrenees, I'd also expected there to be more manual workers in parts of the south west (for places around Toulouse etc.

Toulouse is the one stick-out Pyrenées département.

Crazy, I had assumed Toulouse was a major manufacturing area, but I'm not sure what that was ever based on..

Airbus?

Indeed. Apparently all the Airbus workers, no matter how grimy their job is, are too skilled to count as "ouvriers" for the French census. :)

When I grow up, I hope I will work in an Intellectually Superior Profession ;)

"Ouvriers" is made up of the following subgroups: Skilled machine operators and assemblers, Skilled craft workers, Drivers, Skilled manual works in handling - warehousing and transportation, Unskilled machine operators and assemblers, Unskilled craft workers and Farm workers.

The Intemediate-grade occupations catagory includes (amongst other things) Foremen & Supervisors and Technical Staff. Engineers and people in "scientific occupations" are in Managers/Professionals catagory.

Yes that's the one..

Apparently Vendée, Philippe de Villiers' département, has the lowest unemployment rate in all of France.

According he map, that's wrong : Vendée is 9% (green-brown), while Yvelines, Haute-Savoie, Alsace are under 9% (green)

Generally, in occidental democracies, the rural areas are right-leaning and the city areas are left-leaning. But in France, the rural areas of South-West are left-leaning : why ?  Who are the people of the rural areas of South-West : Farmers ? Artisans ? Why do they vote left ?

That supposed to be news or what? ???

Not really, no. I'll try looking into the latest unemployment numbers in Vendée however.

The way the census counted unemployment was different from how it's normally worked out IIRC.
Can't entirely remember how though.

Bump :)

Could anyone post stuff on ethnicity and/or religion?

No, cos it's forbidden to do official surveys on ethnic or religious criterions.

One Year Later...

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This is Nord-Pas de Calais and Picardy.

Bigger version in gallery. See first map in thread for keys and descriptions (though I added an extra, higher, level for Ouvriers).

More soon!

Thank you very much for the maps, Al. I hope there's more.

Not a really surprising pattern. I especially like the last two maps.

I did Bretagne using Al's key

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Population growth, 1999 to Jan. 2006

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Median income by household (CU, "consummation units").

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Unemployment map 2008

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I have data by department by quarter going back to 1982, so I can make some earlier maps if anyone has a specific request.

BTW, if you ever happen to year the Viscount boast that Vendee has the lowest unemployment, it's obviously false.

Degree higher than the BAC

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Petanque licenses (lol)

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A fine one.
We can see that there is absolutely no relation between any electoral map and this last one....

Can't you find rugby numbers ? Would be geographically interesting.

Excellent stuff - has anyone got anything on housing tenure?

I'll see what I can get tonight.

*surprise* coming tomorrow morning!!!11!!!!1 :) :D :P ;D :o 8)

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:'(

Posting at 11PM isn't a good idea.

Here it is: Insee's urban/rural typology. Especially useful when looking at an electoral map to spot patterns. Data as of 1999, so a few things might have changed. I would think the Rennes commuter belt would have expanded a bit more.

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Don't worry, I'll do other departments and take requests.

Gironde

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Liger-Atlantel

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Two big and interesting projects might be finished tonight (no, it's not more typology maps).

Phew! It's done! Constituency-by-constituency lookup with the Insee's broken map (their links are totally ed. Click on Haute-Garonne and get the Gers and vice-versa).

Manual Workers

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C-PIS

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Enjoy!!

In the South-East, the Bordeaux pôle urbain is a bit extensive. INSEE seems to draw a circle although the influence of Bordeaux isn't a same in every direction. Surprising. But very interesting.

Why do you always post at 5 AM, then? ;)

I'll do a few maps by Employment zones (Zones d'Emploi). Many don't follow departmental lines, and don't serve a very important administrative purpose. Though it's a good way to go lower than department, but not down to cantonal level (which wouldn't allow me to do a nationwide map).

First, the income map. 2006 data. Data is also available by canton and commune, and might do a few maps down to that level to show specific patterns (especially around urban centres).

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Insee has 1999 data on owners (not calculated to overall houses, but only to primary residences), some stuff on years built in, and secondary residence stuff. Has raw numbers, though not percentages, for HLM and a map for % growth in HLMs 90-99.

More stuff, including housing tenure. I'm doing this by canton or city (the Insee doesn't have data for inner city cantons composed of a fraction of a city).

Income in NPDC, Picardie, and Haute-Normandie. 2006 data. Sorry for the crap JPEG format. Screw up on my part.

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% owned. 1999 census data.

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Any requests?

More housing maps!

Any region in particular?

Ones with big cities would generally be more interesting

Here is Greater Paris

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On a side note, I can't wait until there's 2006 data for all this stuff. Playing around with 1999 data is silly!

Housing maps of Bretagne and Aquitaine ?

Two Bretons maps. I'll post some observations tonight. I'll also do a Aquitaine tenure map tonight, if I'm not feeling too lazy.

Income

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Tenure / % owned

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It's really a pity there are no stats for inner city cantons (though there are stats for the arrondissements/sectors in PLM).

Not very surprising, of course: more owners in the rural and touristic parts.
But the high totals all over Brittany are impressive.

As for incomes, Pontivy and around is a bit surprising... Elsewhere, it's logical.

Inner city maps! (income). The boundaries are the IRIS boundaries, data from Insee of course. Maps of generally sh**t poor quality, since I'm lazy. But you get the general point.

To start off, Rennes.

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Most large urban centres are divided into IRIS stuff, so I can take requests for almost all large-medium urban areas (and large suburban towns). These just take a bit of time.

Forgot this very old Aquitaine tenure map.

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Apologies. And still wanting your requests for inner city income maps :)

I would love to see Nantes, if it isn't too much trouble

Can we get any maps on here relating to % living in social housing (by departement maybe)? :)

Here is Nantes

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Thanks!

I've had a knack on Le Havre in recent days, since it's quite an interesting city.

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And, of course:

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2006 tenure data has also been released, so I might fool around with that...

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Cool map.

http://www.insee.fr/fr/themes/detail.asp?reg_id=0&ref_id=circo_leg-2012

Here are some demographic data from official INSEE, at the constituency level, inside new boundaries.

You've got sex, age, nationality (yep, number of foreigners), professional activity, etc.

Some maps in the making, Hash ;) ?

Foreign population is the only one which is kind of interesting

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Why is there a relatively higher concentration in interior Aquitaine, Haute-Vienne and Tarn-et-Garonne? And what nationality are they? Spanish?

Where are all the foreigners in Guiana from?


Pieds-noirs, perhaps?

Is there any demographic breakdown of the foreign population based on country of origin? I know the French census doesn't do so, but I believe there's a few private companies that do.

Aren't Pieds-noirs technically French citizens rather than foreigners though?

- Surinam.

- In the SW, I suppose, in Dordogne and Lot (former Quercy before French revolutionaries erased the past ;D), that's the British who bought many fine old houses...
In Burgundy (see Saône-et-Loire, but also the north of Rhône), same process, with some wine castles.

That's the same probably in Côtes d'Armor and Orne, though houses are less fine there :P
I'm surprised that Calvados and Seine-Maritime aren't more coloured, but they've got a bigger population, hence a smaller proportion.

As for Lot-et-Garonne (though it's more mixed here: also some British) and Tarn-et-Garonne, it's probable more about poor workers (from Mediterranean countries) in agriculture (fruits, vegetables). Same thing in Aude and Hérault (wine).

The Insee details foreigners by nationality: http://www.insee.fr/fr/themes/tableau.asp?reg_id=99&ref_id=t_0405D

In Lot-et-Garonne,
30.6% of the foreign population comes from "another EU country" (UK probably)
27.2% of the foreign population comes from Morocco
20.9% of the foreign population comes from Portugal

Tarn-et-Garonne
29.4% are from Morocco
28.5% are from "another EU country"
12.6% are from Portugal

Haute-Vienne is largely from the EU with a few Algerians.

Foreigners only make up 5.8% of the population, and the Front National is making it seem as though the country is being overrun with immigrants. ::) That's probably a smaller percentage of the total population than Germany or the UK. Even Paris's immigrant population is relatively low at below 20%

Those only include foreigners - people who lack French citizenship. There are many more French citizens who are first-generation immigrants from North Africa or Europe or at least of North African/European ancestry. They aren't counted in these statistics.

Epic map time, demographic version

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Nobody seems to care :( but here are two maps which are key in understanding political traditions

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"agglomeree" meant all those people who lived in the "chef-lieu" of the commune (the village's core) while "eparse" meant all those who lived outside the chef-lieu.

Stuff like this (http://maps.google.com/?ll=48.361952,-3.135996&spn=0.039064,0.090895&t=h&z=14) is 'eparse'; stuff like this (http://maps.google.com/?ll=48.755057,4.026146&spn=0.077523,0.181789&t=h&z=13) is agglomerated. Not that there aren't differences; the bocage is way different from the Limousin.

Oh, I think we all care. Amazing stuff; diolch.

The equivalent terms in English would be nucleated (agglomérée) and dispersed (éparse) settlement.

These latest maps are bloody brilliant - especially the agriculture ones.

the nucleated map like the vote FN map. Some explainaitions?

This is excellent. The economic sectors map is especially great.

Poujadiste heritage?

Most certainly not! Look at the Poujadist map in 1956. In the bulk of cases, it is a world away from the modern FN map. The FN is by and large a urban-suburban-industrialized ruralism party, the UFF was a heavily rural affair.

'Round here, urban-suburban-industrialized ruralism is a trend of populations which has migrated from rural communities. And the only lepenist I know (who, BTW, is married to a pardo Brazilian and, thus, have a mixed up kid, go figure) comes from a rural family.
I just cannot understand why someone would support a political thought which is harmfull to his own family, if this wasn't some kind of political heritage. But, what can we do, humans are weird.

Not perfect (especially in the southeast), but there are some pretty clear political patterns on this map: % of individually exploited farms in 2010

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theire is no political connexion between individually exploited farms and ideology.

The connexion is more hill/moutain country vs plain country (globally speaking)


(with the surprising exception of Jura, Larzac and Armorican west mountains)

For once, I agree with Colbert.

As for Armorican mountains, well, there are absolutely no muntains there :P
As for Jura, it's not an agricultural mountain.
Larzac is more surprising.

Dordogne, Correze, Vendee, Ariege, Hautes-Pyrenees, Creuse, Haute-Vienne, Indre, Haute-Saone, Var (to an extent), Aveyron, Lozere (to an extent), Ardennes, Vaucluse, Herault, Gard (both to a limited extent), Lot; even Cantal, Puy-de-Dome, Pyrenees-Atlantiques, Pyrenees-Orientales and Charente don't exist guys? I'm not saying this is the cause of anything or that it explains all much or that the correlation is even strong; but denying that there's just no connection is stupid. And I hope you're just denying the link in a modern context; because if you're denying the existence of any link, ever; you don't understand French history. Certainly the connection is much, much weaker now and isn't a good explanation for modern stuff, but...

I said "moutains" but, indeed, I would better had speak about hills. (I come from Finistère, and it's not the germano-polish plain^^)

But what political correlation are you talking about ? What's connexion between normandy, Alpes, Pyrenees, Ardenne, Dordogne, Corse, Upper Languedoc ?
leftism ? no (normandy, Alpes)
rightism ? no (upper languedoc, dordogne, pyrenees)
catholicism ? no (normandy, dordogne, upper languedoc)
protestantism ? no (corse, alpes, ardennes)

centrism ? communism ? far-right ?


I search this relation, but I don't find it anywere

Ugh, people. I never said the correlation was perfect; it is partial. There is a partial link, in some places, between small property and leftist tradition. It is not universal, but anybody with half a brain understands that voting patterns and their determinants differ from region to region and that an identical type of makeup in two regions doesn't mean that they vote identically - far from it. And even if I recognize that it is not the only cause, it certainly informs a political tradition.

can't read the keys :(

Of course, there is still a partial link, I agree. My answer to Colbert was just quickly typed between two meetings :P

You're right for south of Berry, Languedoc, inner Var (though south of Var and Alpes-Maritimes have small farms statistically because they are hugely urbanized and so, the lands left aren't very big).

But Ariège, Hautes Pyrénées, Pyrénées Atlantiques and Pyrénées Orientales, it's about Pyrenees.
Haute-Saône, it's only the part in Vosges, so not exactly the strongest area for the left.
You're right for south of Berry and for Limousin, though the Massif Central is widespread.
Charente-Maritime, the south is orange in your map, while it's rgithist territory; while the north is blue, while it's leftist territory.

There are also counter-examples to what you say: Savoies, Brittany in a way, Manche, Cher, even the "red" Allier, Meurthe-et-Moselle in a way, which are all counter-intuitive base on modern electoral results. The same for Cantal which is really a "blue" departement.
The same for south of Var, Alpes-Maritimes, but also the heart of Champagne (the NW corner of Marne: slight orange while it's UMP-fascist wing of FN territory), just because big wine farms are small ones even if hugely rich ones (see also the ousth of Saône-et-Loire and the north of Rhône).

My comment was really too short: you're globally right, but what I wanted to say is that the first explanation, the first link is geography, which explains far better in details this map. And, after that, as a possible corollary in many areas, there are of course political consequences.

Maybe a better (in the meaning of more correlated in each area) link with other maps would be the rural unionism; results of MODEF and then Confédération paysanne in Agriculture Chambers' elections.

Sorry if my "I agree with Colbert" put just after his "there is no political conection" made you collapse... ;D I can perfectly understand your reaction ! It was unintended and my comment was really trop rapide, dans les deux sens de l'expression :).

Map 1
red: ouvriers, manual workers
purple: employees
cyan: professions intermediaires, middle-level employees/lower management/teachers
green: agriculteurs; farmers who own their farms
yellow: artisans, commercants - shopkeepers, artisans
blue: CPIS, managers/professional-scientific-tech

Map 2
All the same, except orange for prof. intermediaires

Details here: http://www.insee.fr/fr/methodes/default.asp?page=nomenclatures/pcs2003/liste_n1.htm

I don't think "individually exploited" is English. We're talking of farms worked by a single person (or maybe nuclear family) without any employees, I assume.

I think the word looked for is smallholding.

Big bad fab let me down, but s'il n'en reste qu'un seul, je serais celui-là, as Victor Hugo said. For me, the correlation of this map is geographical and not political, EVEN globally

seeing some left-wing patterns on red zones, even globally, is simply false. (or, at least, uncorrect)

The great Fernand Braudel was a bit of a magpie when it came to maps, and had a charming habit that involved scattering ones by other people that seemed vaguely relevant to his arguments throughout his books. This set (taken from his last work) seems especially appropriate for this thread. It's to do with family structure and was accompanied by a note that the pattern fitted 'in general terms' certain other major geographical/political divisions in France. Braudel actually preferred a three-part model of family types to the simple extended/nuclear one, but, anyway...

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A - Farmers
B - Rural Households
C - Urban Households

Some median income maps within large cities:

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Why does Orléans have that bizarre shape?

I'm not quite sure. A few French communes have bizarre shapes, but in this case it might be a (rare) case of amalgamation. The south of the city, La Source, is a new area built around a uni campus and a fairly low-income HLM 'city' and it is divided from the rest of the city by the Loiret river.