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Title: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Wiz in Wis on August 28, 2007, 02:01:01 PM
Discuss...


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 28, 2007, 02:02:33 PM
Uh.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Alcon on August 28, 2007, 02:08:50 PM

You stole the entire contents of what I was going to post.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Gabu on August 28, 2007, 02:23:12 PM
gporter/Craig


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Kevin on August 28, 2007, 03:25:55 PM
I was going to post this but I was feeling too lazy to. Whatever we can all be certain that this seat will stay Republican.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 28, 2007, 03:30:34 PM
I was going to post this but I was feeling too lazy to. Whatever we can all be certain that this seat will stay Republican.

Uh.  Huh.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 28, 2007, 03:43:23 PM
That's the only important thing, after all.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: WalterMitty on August 28, 2007, 03:46:50 PM
us senator helen chenoweth

oh wait.  she is dead.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Governor PiT on August 28, 2007, 03:57:58 PM
I hope Robert Vasquez runs.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: cp on August 28, 2007, 03:58:30 PM
This thrilling monosyllabic discussion aside, perhaps some focus would be in order.

Larry Craig pleaded guity to a misdemeanor offense after propositioning a plainclothes officer in an Minneapolis airport in June 2007. A few minutes ago he stated that A: he would not rule out running for reelection and B: he would attempt to change his plea, with help from counsel this time (which was not present when he plead back in June).

If Craig runs for reelection I find it difficult to imagine that, even in Idaho, the Democrats wouldn't be able to give him a run for his money. Craig's statement today fell somewhere between side-splittingly absurd and mind-numbingly idiotic. He apologized for pleading guilty in the first place and for the 'cloud over Idaho' that this has brought. (No word yet on whether that cloud is raining men).

I have it on good authority that Democrats are used for target practice in Idaho, so its conceivable it would still be a lean-Republican race. But the clip he just made is Macaca-esque.

I have no idea who the Democrats would get to face Craig, or who would replace Craig if he decides to step aside. The last time Idaho elected a Democrat to a full term was 1974, and that candidate (Frank Church) had served since 1957. It's an uphill battle, but considering the nature of the scandal it might be enough to depress Republican turnout, or rally Democrats.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 28, 2007, 03:59:19 PM
To make Bill Sali look Moderate?


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 28, 2007, 03:59:43 PM
I was going to post this but I was feeling too lazy to. Whatever we can all be certain that this seat will stay Republican.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: mgrossbe on August 28, 2007, 05:01:10 PM
You got love hypocrisy.

Against gay marriage, against civil unions, against parental rights for gays.

For soleciting of gay men for sex.

Dear mr craig. Its okay to be gay. Its not okay to be a self hating gay.
come out of the closet and let the chip lay were they may you would be much more respect who cares what bigots have to say. Just my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Sam Spade on August 28, 2007, 08:14:25 PM
What I suspect is going to happen will be this:

Craig's going to wait out this thing for a month or two and see where his poll numbers are then.  If he determines that he is seriously in trouble for re-election, he won't run; if he determines that he isn't, he will run.

At least that's what the smart politician would do.  Some of Craig's comments and actions have made me wonder about this, however.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Kevin on August 28, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
What I suspect is going to happen will be this:

Craig's going to wait out this thing for a month or two and see where his poll numbers are then.  If he determines that he is seriously in trouble for re-election, he won't run; if he determines that he isn't, he will run.

At least that's what the smart politician would do.  Some of Craig's comments and actions have made me wonder about this, however.

If he does go for another term I wonder if he will face a primary and if that is the case he will lose as just about no politician(excluding DC's Marion Barry) could survive such issues such as this one.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: ag on August 28, 2007, 08:46:54 PM
What I suspect is going to happen will be this:

Craig's going to wait out this thing for a month or two and see where his poll numbers are then.  If he determines that he is seriously in trouble for re-election, he won't run; if he determines that he isn't, he will run.

At least that's what the smart politician would do.  Some of Craig's comments and actions have made me wonder about this, however.

If he does go for another term I wonder if he will face a primary and if that is the case he will lose as just about no politician(excluding DC's Marion Barry) could survive such issues such as this one.

The main issue: the guy, clearly, has shown he cannot be in public light anymore. Whatever caused him to behave with such an outlandish degree of idiocy in handling the case (I don't really care about what he did before being arrested, but, mainly, about what he did thereafter), it means he should retire. If he has any self-respect, he will. Otherwise, he has to be primaried out, or else the whole Republican party would look ridiculous. Judging by the speed with which the Rep leadership referred this to the ethics committee, they know this. 


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Sam Spade on August 28, 2007, 08:59:22 PM
What I suspect is going to happen will be this:

Craig's going to wait out this thing for a month or two and see where his poll numbers are then.  If he determines that he is seriously in trouble for re-election, he won't run; if he determines that he isn't, he will run.

At least that's what the smart politician would do.  Some of Craig's comments and actions have made me wonder about this, however.

If he does go for another term I wonder if he will face a primary and if that is the case he will lose as just about no politician(excluding DC's Marion Barry) could survive such issues such as this one.

The main issue: the guy, clearly, has shown he cannot be in public light anymore. Whatever caused him to behave with such an outlandish degree of idiocy in handling the case (I don't really care about what he did before being arrested, but, mainly, about what he did thereafter), it means he should retire. If he has any self-respect, he will. Otherwise, he has to be primaried out, or else the whole Republican party would look ridiculous. Judging by the speed with which the Rep leadership referred this to the ethics committee, they know this. 


I tend to agree.  I was just looking at the re-election issue.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Chancellor Tanterterg on August 28, 2007, 09:00:39 PM
It is being described by Craig as "...a he said, he said."


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Reluctant Republican on August 28, 2007, 09:37:22 PM
I wonder when he's planning to release his tell all book detailing how very difficult it is to pretend to be a hate mongering bigot while in actuality living a secret homosexual double life. I give it a year.

He really should just resign. I don't think he'd even be able to survive a primary as it stands right now.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: bgwah on August 28, 2007, 09:59:27 PM
If Craig and Sali could both win their primaries and then go onto lose the general... oh, that would be a dream come true. :)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Verily on August 28, 2007, 10:36:16 PM
Sali4Senate!

Actually, I can imagine Sali being the conservative primary challenger to Craig, and winning, after he realizes that he can't win the primary in his own district. (He wins the nomination in another three-way race.)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Jaggerjack on August 28, 2007, 10:37:40 PM
It'd be amazing if we managed to capture a seat in Idaho.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 28, 2007, 10:43:54 PM
I can't think of anything more wonderful than picking up a seat because a senator screwed around on his wife with a kid and a bunch of strangers for three decades.  It's like there's no down side.

(Note:  Democrats still have no chance in Idaho.)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 29, 2007, 12:17:12 AM
Democrats already have a candidate for this seat.  Former Rep. LaRocco.

If I had to place a bet on a hypothetical general election match-up: Craig still beats LaRocco.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 29, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
LaRocco seems to be a good candidate, but this is Idaho, so he'll most likely lose.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: opebo on August 29, 2007, 01:31:01 PM
What I'm wonder it this - is Larry a top or a bottom?  I mean is he the sucker or the suckee in those washrooms?


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: AndrewTX on August 29, 2007, 03:02:49 PM
I'd imagine he is the bottom, and the sucker. I have a lot of friends who are gay, and I've talked to them about that exact same thing. They said that most clostetd people are more intersted in giving oral than receiving. I guess when recieving from the misses, they could close their eyes and imagine that it was a du...

wait..am I actually responding to what of opebos posts? A shiver just went down my spine.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Sam Spade on August 29, 2007, 03:09:51 PM
If Craig and Sali could both win their primaries and then go onto lose the general... oh, that would be a dream come true. :)

With regards to Sali, why would you presume that what the Democrats couldn't do in 2006, which will almost certainly be a better year for them in Idaho than 2008 and in which the race was non-incumbent, they could pull off and actually do in 2008.  Barring of course some unknown scandal.  Of course, if Sali were to be defeated in the primary, then another Republican will win.

Anyway, I suspect Craig will resign within a month and someone else will replace him.  Just my gut.  I say that after reading what happened today.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: opebo on August 29, 2007, 03:25:40 PM
I'd imagine he is the bottom, and the sucker. I have a lot of friends who are gay, and I've talked to them about that exact same thing. They said that most clostetd people are more intersted in giving oral than receiving. I guess when recieving from the misses, they could close their eyes and imagine that it was a du...

wait..am I actually responding to what of opebos posts? A shiver just went down my spine.

Actually I have to admit I used to occasionally pop round to the local Adult Shop 'peepshow booths' for a bit of fellating if I couldn't find a streetwalker to do it.  I have to admit the service was better, and of course free.  There seemed to be a lot of guys there with the same attitude as me - just keep your eyes focused on the screen, not on who is down below.  But there were always more of the other type there..

Sorry if this post is in any way inappropriate.  I'm hoping it is not, and its definitely on point of Craig's 'offense'.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Sam Spade on August 29, 2007, 03:28:11 PM
A couple of off-topic posts like this won't cause me to delete, but make sure it doesn't go any further.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: SPC on August 29, 2007, 05:21:28 PM
As things are right now, I doubt Craig will resign, as he will most likely go the way of David Vitter and fade into oblivion. However, if this story lasts for more than a month, then I could see Craig resigning.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: TheresNoMoney on August 29, 2007, 05:52:30 PM
I think he will resign within a week or two. This is not the type of thing you can recover from.

His seniority has already been stripped from him.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: bgwah on August 29, 2007, 06:04:14 PM
If Craig and Sali could both win their primaries and then go onto lose the general... oh, that would be a dream come true. :)

With regards to Sali, why would you presume that what the Democrats couldn't do in 2006, which will almost certainly be a better year for them in Idaho than 2008 and in which the race was non-incumbent, they could pull off and actually do in 2008.  Barring of course some unknown scandal.  Of course, if Sali were to be defeated in the primary, then another Republican will win.

Anyway, I suspect Craig will resign within a month and someone else will replace him.  Just my gut.  I say that after reading what happened today.

Hey I said it was a dream, not that I think it will happen. :)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 29, 2007, 06:38:11 PM
He's already got McCain, Coleman, and Hoekstra calling for his resignation.

Dude isn't gonna last.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 29, 2007, 06:47:41 PM
McCain says he's got to go because he plead guilty. McCain only likes people like Scooter Libby, who don't plead guilty.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Governor PiT on August 29, 2007, 07:17:27 PM


he might run.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on August 29, 2007, 07:23:00 PM
Maybe the Constitution Party can pick up the seat if Craig survives the primary.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 29, 2007, 07:24:28 PM
Maybe the Constitution Party can pick up the seat if Craig survives the primary.

I think LaRocco would manage to win in that case.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Governor PiT on August 29, 2007, 10:53:11 PM
he's an amnesty supporter as well.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 29, 2007, 11:38:40 PM
Vasquez hates Sali because Sali is not nearly Conservative enough.

Let that sink in a minute.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Gabu on August 30, 2007, 12:03:14 AM
Vasquez hates Sali because Sali is not nearly Conservative enough.

Let that sink in a minute.

How is that even physically possible?


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 30, 2007, 12:10:00 AM
From what I hear, Vasquez is basically like CARLHAYDEN on crack (pretty ironic. Check out this last name for why.) and probably considers Sali too liberal because Sali probably doesn't support turning the US and its immigration policy into something similar to Britain in the movie Children of Men.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 30, 2007, 12:16:33 AM
Yep.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: bgwah on August 30, 2007, 08:53:28 AM
I wonder if Larry Craig and Jim West ever got together. ;)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Governor PiT on August 30, 2007, 01:09:31 PM
From what I hear, Vasquez is basically like CARLHAYDEN on crack (pretty ironic. Check out this last name for why.) and probably considers Sali too liberal because Sali probably doesn't support turning the US and its immigration policy into something similar to Britain in the movie Children of Men.


but Craig was an amnesty supporter. hopefully his sucessor won't.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Eraserhead on August 30, 2007, 02:45:54 PM
From what I hear, Vasquez is basically like CARLHAYDEN on crack (pretty ironic. Check out this last name for why.) and probably considers Sali too liberal because Sali probably doesn't support turning the US and its immigration policy into something similar to Britain in the movie Children of Men.


but Craig was an amnesty supporter. hopefully his sucessor won't.

Of course he was an amesty supporter. That just means more dark meat for him.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: StateBoiler on August 30, 2007, 02:52:51 PM
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slate.com did a video reenactment. http://www.slatev.com :D

And also posted excerpts of their editors arguing about the story. This is very insightful just if media and journalism interests you.
http://www.slate.com/id/2172966/nav/tap1/


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Eraserhead on August 30, 2007, 03:01:09 PM
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slate.com did a video reenactment. http://www.slatev.com :D

And also posted excerpts of their editors arguing about the story. This is very insightful just if media and journalism interests you.
http://www.slate.com/id/2172966/nav/tap1/

Countdown with Keith Olberman also did a reenactment last night. The best part was when they showed him looking through the stall and ringing his hands.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on August 30, 2007, 05:14:24 PM
From Robert Ariail of The State:
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Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Eraserhead on August 30, 2007, 05:20:04 PM
If Craig does decide to run, I will consider donating massive amounts to him in the primary.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: YRABNNRM on August 30, 2007, 05:27:47 PM
The audio tape of the arrest=LOL


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: The Dowager Mod on August 30, 2007, 10:37:37 PM
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Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Eraserhead on August 31, 2007, 01:28:54 AM

Aww.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: minionofmidas on August 31, 2007, 09:22:50 AM
He has done nothing wrong except not standing up to his bisexuality. What the  is the state of Minnesota doing - don't they have any more serious "crimes" to investigate into?


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 31, 2007, 10:21:25 AM
Propositioning a policeman in a public restroom is well understood to be a crime here.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: minionofmidas on August 31, 2007, 10:28:18 AM
Propositioning a policeman in a public restroom is well understood to be a crime here.
What's wrong with seeking consensual sex? ??? (And he didn't proposition a "policeman", he propositioned a random stranger who happened to be a policeman. And only one who knew these signals - the ignorant would not have felt propositioned.)


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 31, 2007, 10:45:00 AM
Propositioning a policeman in a public restroom is well understood to be a crime here.
What's wrong with seeking consensual sex? ??? (And he didn't proposition a "policeman", he propositioned a random stranger who happened to be a policeman. And only one who knew these signals - the ignorant would not have felt propositioned.)

Having sex in a public place is, near universally, against the law.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: minionofmidas on August 31, 2007, 10:54:22 AM
Propositioning a policeman in a public restroom is well understood to be a crime here.
What's wrong with seeking consensual sex? ??? (And he didn't proposition a "policeman", he propositioned a random stranger who happened to be a policeman. And only one who knew these signals - the ignorant would not have felt propositioned.)

Having sex in a public place is, near universally, against the law.
A locked bathroom stall is not a public place in any meaningful sense.


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: HardRCafé on August 31, 2007, 10:57:56 AM
What part of "public restroom" do you deliberately not understand?


Title: Re: Larry Craig (R)-ID
Post by: minionofmidas on August 31, 2007, 11:00:03 AM
What part of "public restroom" do you deliberately not understand?
The part about how there's a lock on the stall door.