Talk Elections

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Does anybody remember this? I don't think we ever got past the first round. That said, I think it would be fun to start this up again. With WildCard's blessing, since he originally came up with the idea, I'll take the reins and run the Atlas President Forever Championship, Take 2.


Here's how it'll work:

Round 1: I'll run each candidate against either a generic all-Left Democrat or all-Right Republican (depending on your party). I will be playing as a craptacular flip-flopping independent. This in effect will "seed" the candidates, depending on the number of EV's you receive.

Round 2: I'll run candidates against each other, for instance, the #1 Republican vs. the Last Place Democrat. The field will then be whittled down to the final 2, for the Championship.

Also:
Regionalism: On
Economy: Off
Dynamism: Not sure. Suggestions?
Spies/Fog of War: don't think it matters.

First off, everyone should fill out the following "form:"

Title:
Party: Republican/Democrat
First Name:
Last Name:  
Home State:
Age: (not necessary though)
Attributes (Using a maximum of 25 points):    
Leadership 1-5
Charisma 1-5
Integrity 1-5
Stamina 1-5
Experience 1-5
Debating 1-5
Issue Knowledge 1-5

Vice-President:
VP State:
VP Bonus (from one of the categories above except Debating or Stamina):

Platform: Choose your stances on the issues, ranging from Left/Center-Left/Centrist/Center-Right/Right.
Left is on top, Right is on the bottom.

//Abortion
Unrestricted access to abortions.
Legal abortions in the first two trimesters for the mother's health.
Legal abortions in the first trimester for the mother's health.
No legal abortions, except to save the mother's life or rape.
No legal abortions.
@

//Affirmative Action
Make all federal agencies follow strict quotas.
Diversity is a compelling reason for affirmative action.
The benefits of diversity can justify affirmative action.
Affirmative action programs only in certain cases.
Abolish all federal affirmative action programs.
@

//Balanced Budget
A deficit is fine - focus on social programs.
Military spending is more important than the deficit.
Balance lowering the deficit with other priorities.
A Balanced Budget amendment to eliminate the deficit.
Eliminate all national debt as quickly as possible.
@

//Business Tax
Significantly increase business taxation.
Increase business taxation.
Businesses are taxed the right amount.
Reduce business taxation.
Significantly reduce business taxation.
@

//Campaign Finance Reform
Elections are rigged for the two parties - we need major reform!
We need to significantly reduce corporate donations.
We need to put more power into smaller donors' hands.
The McCain/Feingold bill is sufficient.
No campaign finance reform is needed.
@

//Ecology
The environment must be our first national priority.
Good environmental policies are good economic policies.
Balance environmental policies with sound economic policies.
Economic policies must come before environmental policies.
The environment is fine, we don't need to worry about it.
@

//Education
No school vouchers, large increase to federal funding.
No school vouchers, increase federal funding.
Lower-income school vouchers, increase federal funding.
School vouchers for lower-income students.
School vouchers for anyone.
@

//Free Trade
We need to erect large tariff barriers to protect all our industries.
Some industries need to be protected.
Open markets should be approached with caution.
Most markets should be open.
All markets should be open!
@

//Gun Control
Ban all guns!
Ban certain guns, and require registration/background checks.
Guns control is a state issue.
We should be very wary of gun control.
Gun ownership is constitutionally protected - no gun control!
@

//Same-Sex Marriage
Same-sex marriage is a constitutional right.
Same-sex marriage, even if not in name.
Retain marriage as it is, but explore civil unions.
Marriage is between a man and a woman.
Homosexuals need to be treated for their condition.
@

//Immigration
Immigration is great, illegal immigrants granted amnesty.
Legal immigration is great.
Legal immigration is fine, but immigration laws must be obeyed.
Reduce legal immigration, crack down on illegal immigration.
Immigration is destroying the country, stop all immigration now!
@

//Military Funding
Drastically cut military funding, establish a Department of Peace.
We should decrease military funding.
Keep military budget the same, look to be more efficient.
Increase the military budget, but find ways to be more efficient.
We need to significantly increase military funding to meet new threats.
@

//Military Intervention
Military intervention is another way of saying 'empire building'.
For humanitarian causes or if we are attacked.
Only if we are attacked.
Only if our national interests are threatened.
We can and should use our military might to further our own interests.
@

//Personal Tax
Increase income tax for everyone.
Increase income tax for the rich.
Reduce income tax for lower- and middle-class tax brackets.
Reduce income tax across the board.
Reduce income tax for the rich.
@


//Public Health Care
We need a completely public health care system.
Universal health care, whether public or private.
Public health care benefits for the poor and elderly, the rest private.
Only a few public health care benefits.
The health care system should be completely private.
@

//Renewable Energy
Renewable energy all the way!
We should focus on renewable energy sources.
Renewable and non-renewable energy must be equally researched.
Coal and oil are our main concerns right now.
We don't need to worry about renewable energy sources.
@

//Social Security
No to any private investment, dramatically increase funding.
No to private investment, increase funding.
Keep social security as it is.
Let workers privately invest some of their social security payments.
Let workers privately invest all social security payments.
@

//Terrorism
We should surrender to the terrorists.
We need to fight the cause of terrorism, economic and social injustice.
Focus on better foreign policy, but use military force if we must.
We should not hesitate to use military force against terrorism.
Terrorism can only be stopped one way: military force.
@
 
I'll post an example of how to fill one out in a minute. If enough people are interested, we can get this going again, this time until the end!
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

I'm intersted, would the VP be a forum member?

Title: Senator
Party: Republican
First Name: Scott
Last Name: Pettit
Home State: Virginia
Age: 21
Attributes:
Leadership: 4
Charisma: 3
Integrity: 3
Stamina: 3
Experience: 4
Debating: 4
Issue Knowledge: 4

Vice President: Elisha Cuthbert
State: California
Attribute: Charisma

Platform:
Abortion: R
Affirmative Action: CR
Balanced Budget: C
Business Tax: C
Campaign Finance Reform: C
Ecology: C
Education: C
Free Trade: CR
Gun Control: C
Same-Sex Marriage: CR
Immigration: CL
Military Funding: CR
Military Intervention: CR
Personal Tax: CR
Public Health Care: C
Renewable Energy: CL
Social Security: CR
Terrorism: R

The VP can be whoever you want it to be. Mine is an actress.

Title: Senator
Party: Democrat
First Name: Alex
Last Name: Knobel
Home State: Maryland
Attributes:
Leadership: 3
Charisma: 2
Integrity: 4
Stamina: 4
Experience: 2
Debating: 5
Issue Knowledge: 5

Vice President: Michael Moore
State: Michigan
Attribute: Issue Knowledge

Platform:
Abortion: L
Affirmative Action: CR
Balanced Budget: CR
Business Tax: LR
Campaign Finance Reform: CL
Ecology: CL
Education: L
Free Trade: C
Gun Control: CL
Same-Sex Marriage: L
Immigration: C
Military Funding: CR
Military Intervention: C
Personal Tax: CL
Public Health Care: L
Renewable Energy: CL
Social Security: CL
Terrorism: CR

Party: Democratic
Title: Mr.
First Name: Chris
Last Name: Ilikeverin
Home State: Indiana
Age: 13 (Hey, I can do that :))

Leadership: 4
Charisma: 4
Integrity: 5
Stamina: 5
Experience: 1
Debating: 2
Issue Familiarity: 4

VP: Mark Dayton
Home State: Minnesota
Increase: Experience

Issues, in order

CL
CR
CR
CL
L
CL
L
CR
CL
L
CL
C
CL
CL
L
L
CL
CL

:)

Age, 21, I forgot to put that.

Akno, what's your position on business tax? Right now you have LR.

Harry, do you have a Personal Tax position? If not I'll use Centrist.

It should be CL.

yeah it's supposed to be Centrist

Party: Rep/GOP
Name: Senator Richard G. Arage
Homestate: Pennsylvania
Age: 40


Richard G. Arage
Leadership: 3
Charisma: 5
Intergrity: 3
Stamina: 3
Experience: 3
Debating: 5
Issue Knowledge: 3

VP Selection: Arizona (Ie McCain), Experience
Bonus if I'm used as VP (don't use me as that unless necessary)=+1 Charisma, Debating, or Leadership (whichever can be used)

If Need Be I will cross the aisle and serve on another ticket...>P

Abortion-Center
Affirmative Action-Center
Balanced Budget-Center Right
Business Tax-Center Right
Campaign Finance Reform-Center
Ecology-Center
Vouchers-Center
Free Trade-Right
Gun Control-Center
Same Sex Marriage-Center Left
Immigration-Center Left
Military Funding-Center
Military Intervention-Center
Personal Tax-Center Right
Public Health Care-Center
Renewable Energy-Center
Social Security-Center Right
Terrorism-Center  
 

Party:Rep

josh craddock


NC

Now choose your attributes(you only get to use 25 points)
Leadership 4
Charisma 4
Integrity 4
Stamina 3
Experience 3
Debating 3
Issue Knowledge 4

jeb bush
FL
+1 leadership


//Abortion
rc
//Affirmative Action
r
//Balanced Budget
c
//Business Tax
c
//Campaign Finance Reform
lc
//Ecology
c
//Education
r
//Free Trade
lc
//Gun Control
c
//Same-Sex Marriage
rc
//Immigration
rc
//Military Funding
rc
//Military Intervention
c
//Personal Tax
rc

//Public Health Care
c
//Renewable Energy
rc
//Social Security
rc
//Terrorism
r

How about we make a scenario with Republican, UAC, AFIP, and UL?  Instead of pretending to be Democrats and Republicans????

Hmm...we could. I'd have a couple of concerns though:
Where's the normal Democratic party? (Or is that the AFIP in this case?)
How do we decide which 4 candidates face off against each other?
Since President Forever uses FPTP, would that split votes amongst the groups?
Also, that would involve switching the % of votes each party would receive in a given state (which could be done, but it would take a while).

I know you're good with President Forever, probably a lot better than me, so you might know to solve these problems. I guess for this game it's a lot less headaches using just Republicans and Democrats.

I know im a newbie and probably wont win anything but here is my profile




Title: MR
Party: GOP
First Name: Alex
Last Name:  Kowaleski
Home State: Florida
Age:15
Attributes (Using a maximum of 25 points):    
Leadership 3
Charisma 4
Integrity 4
Stamina 4
Experience 2
Debating 4
Issue Knowledge 3

Vice-President:Governor Bill Owens
VP State:  Colorado
VP Bonuses: I dont understand, is this the bonus someone gets if they choose me as VP? (If it is ,then charisma)  If it is the bonus that i need from my VP choice, it is leadership.

//Abortion-right

//Affirmative Action-right

//Balanced Budget-center

//Business Tax-center right

//Campaign Finance Reform-right

//Ecology-center

//Education-center right

//Free Trade-right

//Gun Control- right  (gun ownership is a right)

//Same-Sex Marriage-center right

//Immigration-center

//Military Funding-center right

//Military Intervention-center right

//Personal Tax-center-right

//Public Health Care-center right

//Renewable Energy-center

//Social Security-center right

//Terrorism-right

Title: Senator
Party: Republican
First Name: Adam
Last Name: Eversole
Home State: Ohio
Age: 15
Attributes (Using a maximum of 25 points):    
Leadership 4
Charisma 4
Integrity 5
Stamina 2
Experience 2
Debating 3
Issue Knowledge 5

Vice-President: George P. Bush
VP State: Texas
VP Bonus: Charisma



Abortion-RC
Affirmative Action-R
Balanced Budget-C
Business Tax-CR
Campaign Finance Reform-C
Ecology-CR
Education-R
Free Trade-CL
Gun Control-R
Same-Sex Marriage-CR
Immigration-CR
Military Funding-R
Military Intervention-CR
Personal Tax-CR
Public Health Care-L
Renewable Energy-R
Social Security-R
Terrorism-R


 

I would be UAC under such a scenario.

Name: Senator Zack Nelson
Party: Democrat
State: Minnesota

VP: Barrack Obama
VP State: Illinois
Bonus: Charisma +1

Leadership: 4
Charisma: 3
Integrity: 3
Stamina: 3
Experience: 3
Debating: 4
Issue Knowledge: 5

Abortion: L
Affirmative Action: CR
Balanced Budget: C
Business Tax: L
CFR: CL
Ecology: CL
Education: L
Free Trade: CL
Gun Control: CL
Same Sex Marriage: L
Immigration: CL
Military Funding: L
Military Intervention: CL
Personal Tax: CL
Public Health Care: L
Renewable Energy: L
Social Security: CL
Terrorism: CL

*Bump* Come on, you know you wanna play!

Title: Governor
Party: Republican
First Name: Jeff
Last Name: Wallnofer  
Home State: Florida
Age: 25
Attributes (Using a maximum of 25 points):    
Leadership 4
Charisma    4
Integrity     3
Stamina      4
Experience  3
Debating     4
Issue Knowledge 3

Vice-President: John H. Morgan
VP State: Ohio
VP Bonus: Experience


//Abortion CR
//Affirmative Action R
//Balanced Budget CR
//Business Tax CR
//Campaign Finance Reform R
//Ecology CR
//Education R
//Free Trade CR
//Gun Control CR
//Same-Sex Marriage CR
//Immigration CR
//Military Funding C
//Military Intervention R
//Personal Tax CR
//Public Health Care CR
//Renewable Energy C
//Social Security R
//Terrorism R

Title: Hisorian
Party: Republican
First Name: Paul W.
Last Name: Brunsel
Home State: Iowa
Attributes:
Leadership: 2
Charisma: 4
Integrity: 4
Stamina: 4
Experience: 3
Debating: 5
Issue Knowledge: 3

Vice President: Norman Schwarzkopf
State: New Jersey
Attribute: Leadership

Platform:
Abortion: R
Affirmative Action: CR
Balanced Budget: CR
Business Tax: CR
Campaign Finance Reform: C
Ecology: CR
Education: R
Free Trade: CL
Gun Control: R
Same-Sex Marriage: CR
Immigration: C
Military Funding: CR
Military Intervention: CR
Personal Tax: CR
Public Health Care: CR
Renewable Energy: CR
Social Security: CR
Terrorism: R

Sweet, we have the same position on two issues 8)

OK, so here's how I've decided to run Round 1:

Each candidate will be run 4 times against a Generic Democrat (Left all issues, 3 all attributes, from HI) or a Generic Republican (Right all issues, 3 all attributes, from AK).
2 times: Regionalism and Dynamism are on
2 other times: Regionalism is on, Dynamism is off

I'm doing it this way as I feel this is the best combination of a realistic scenario and a more unexpected and "more fun" scenario that includes Dynamism.

I'll average out the 4 totals to determine seedings. Hopefully, I'll be done by Wed. or Thurs.

If you want to sign up, please, sign up!

My info is the following:
Name: Cesar Martinez
Party: Democrat
State: Texas

VP Evan Bayh - Indiana
+1 Leadership

Leadership 3
Integrity 4
Experience 3
Issue Knowledge 4
Charisma 3
Stamina 4
Debating 4


Abortion - C
Affirmative Action - C
Balanced Budget - CR
Business Tax - CR
Campaign Finance - C
Ecology - CL
Education - C
Free Trade - R
Gun Control - C
Same Sex Marriage - CL
Immigration - CL
Military Funding - C
Military Intervention - CL
Personal Tax - CR
Public Health Care - CL
Renewable Energy - C
Social Security - R
Terrorism - CR

Name: Hugh Bartlett
Party: AFIP (Democrat)
Homestate: Iowa

VP: Yolande Sanchez, CA, Attribute: Issue Knowledge

Attributes:

Leadership: 5
Integrity: 4
Experience: 4
Issue Knowledge: 2
Charisma: 3
Stamina: 4
Debating: 3

Issues coming later :)

Here are my issue positions:

Abortion-C
Affirmative Action-CL
Balanced Budget-C
Business Tax-C
Campaign Finance Reform-C
Ecology-CL
Education-C
Free Trade-C
Gun Control-CL
Same Sex Marriage-CL
Immigration-CL
Military Funding-C
Military Intervention-CL
Personal Tax-CL
Public Health Care-CL
Renewable Energy-CL
Social Security-CL
Terrorism-C

Sorry it's late :)

No problem :)

+5 brownie points, and another +20 if you actually go through with this :)

Drug out the old one...

One change, marked in the text. If it's not too late to enter, anyway...

Where did I get 3? :)

Bump.

This thread is from 2004. Although now that I think about it, I wonder if anybody would sign up for a version of this with President Infinity...

Was my plan. Everyone makes their own profile for PI2016 and then I'll set them up against each other.

I see. In that case, would you mind me signing up?