Title: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 06, 2008, 09:30:01 PM What do you expect?
This is what I expect... () Though this isn't all that unreasonable- () - think of this as a tribute to BRTD... Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Sam Spade on January 06, 2008, 09:34:38 PM No way McCain wins Iowa before New Hampshire, Nevada or probably even Pennsylvania (or a few other states for that matter).
Ethanol, anyone? Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Frodo on January 06, 2008, 09:37:44 PM What do you expect? This is what I expect... () This map looks reasonable. Certainly more so than the other one.... :P Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on January 06, 2008, 09:43:34 PM I believe McCain would not do that good. Obama will take all the Ind vote away from him(which is where McCain's main support come from.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: ShadowRocket on January 06, 2008, 10:15:34 PM The first map seems realistic. I do think McCain would beat Obama in that general election match-up.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 07, 2008, 10:07:10 AM Hey, what makes everyone think that this matchup will be the same as the last?
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: politicaltipster on January 07, 2008, 10:30:20 AM I believe that McCain (esp a McCain/Lieberman ticket) would crush Obama
McCain would get 55% (B/C in 2004 + PA, MI, NH,CT,DE,WI,MN & OR) 1. Remember the entusiasm that McCovern generated or the fact that many people believed that Reagan would lose in 1984? 2. Congress 3. McCain's ability to get things done and build coaltions. 4. Indys and Repubs tactically voting against Clinton in IA actually shows the strength of the base. 5. Students will get bored between now and Novemeber. 6. Obama's problems with Blue collar voters and his weakness on national security. http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/why-a-mccain-vs-obama-contest-could-result-in-a-republican-landslide/ Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 07, 2008, 10:36:44 AM I believe that McCain (esp a McCain/Lieberman ticket) would crush Obama McCain would get 55% (B/C in 2004 + PA, MI, NH,CT,DE,WI,MN & OR) 1. Remember the entusiasm that McCovern generated or the fact that many people believed that Reagan would lose in 1984? 2. Congress 3. McCain's ability to get things done and build coaltion. 4. Indys and Repubs tactically voting against Clinton in IA actually shows the strength of the base. 5. Students will get bored between now and Novemeber. 6. Obama's problems with Blue collar voters and his weakness on national security. http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/why-a-mccain-vs-obama-contest-could-result-in-a-republican-landslide/ Hey, it could happen. But Clinton was also very young and won in an EV landslide. Again, this is experience vs. change. Obama could win with a "now or never" pitch. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: opebo on January 07, 2008, 10:53:15 AM McCain wins big on the back of America's profound and undying racism:
() Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 07, 2008, 11:07:30 AM ...do you think the Obama candidacy would create a racist reaction? i.e. calls for segregation ..etc...
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Wakie on January 07, 2008, 12:00:54 PM McCain would win. It is too easy to contrast the difference in experience between these guys. I am FAR from being a conservative and I would strongly consider voting McCain in this race.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Ebowed on January 07, 2008, 12:02:57 PM ...do you think the Obama candidacy would create a racist reaction? i.e. calls for segregation ..etc... It wouldn't be overt, but I'm sure there will be subtle ads accusing Obama of drug dealing, for example. Look at the anti-Harold Ford ad in Tennessee. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Ban my account ffs! on January 07, 2008, 12:05:00 PM Minnesota Republicans like McCain. Democrats will really warm up to Obama. Democrats, no matter which way you slice it, outnumber Republicans in the state by a pretty good margin.
Unless McCain draws the majority of independents (unlikely with such strong competition from Obama), Minnesota EASILY goes for Obama. The only thing Minnesotans like more than a maverick war hero is an underdog with a concern for the little guy. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on January 07, 2008, 12:58:09 PM McCain will not win. He main support comes from Ind voters. Obama will take most of them away from McCain. McCain isn't that popular with the republicans at all.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 07, 2008, 04:47:32 PM Although Obama is begining to not do so well in Iowa... I could come down to either Huckabee or Romney at this rate...
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Jeff from NC on January 07, 2008, 06:15:24 PM 1. Remember the entusiasm that McCovern generated or the fact that many people believed that Reagan would lose in 1984? Eh. Remember how everyone thought George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan were lightweights? Quote 2. Congress Fair. McCain will do well to run against Congress, because people do seem to prefer divided government. However Jimmy Carter also ran against Washington gridlock - even when it was caused by his own party. It worked. Quote 3. McCain's ability to get things done and build coaltions. Also fair, although his major legislative works, bills on immigration and campaign spending, don't exactly ignite passion among Republicans. He's also well-known for voting against the Bush tax-cuts. Quote 4. Indys and Repubs tactically voting against Clinton in IA actually shows the strength of the base. Is this a documented phenomenon? Quote 5. Students will get bored between now and Novemeber. A large part of this country is also bored with the war. Quote 6. Obama's problems with Blue collar voters and his weakness on national security. I don't know if there are a lot of blue collar voters in Illinois, but when it came to the Democratic primary in the Senate race, he blew all of his opponents out of the water and did well downstate, which is full of white voters. I'd say that speaks to his crossover appeal. As for national security, McCain has some advantage there but he is on record supporting a war that most Americans want to end sooner rather than later. I'd predict something more like this: ()
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 07, 2008, 06:39:01 PM 1. Remember the entusiasm that McCovern generated or the fact that many people believed that Reagan would lose in 1984? Eh. Remember how everyone thought George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan were lightweights? Quote 2. Congress Fair. McCain will do well to run against Congress, because people do seem to prefer divided government. However Jimmy Carter also ran against Washington gridlock - even when it was caused by his own party. It worked. Quote 3. McCain's ability to get things done and build coaltions. Also fair, although his major legislative works, bills on immigration and campaign spending, don't exactly ignite passion among Republicans. He's also well-known for voting against the Bush tax-cuts. Quote 4. Indys and Repubs tactically voting against Clinton in IA actually shows the strength of the base. Is this a documented phenomenon? Quote 5. Students will get bored between now and Novemeber. A large part of this country is also bored with the war. Quote 6. Obama's problems with Blue collar voters and his weakness on national security. I don't know if there are a lot of blue collar voters in Illinois, but when it came to the Democratic primary in the Senate race, he blew all of his opponents out of the water and did well downstate, which is full of white voters. I'd say that speaks to his crossover appeal. As for national security, McCain has some advantage there but he is on record supporting a war that most Americans want to end sooner rather than later. I'd predict something more like this: ()
That motivates me. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: auburntiger on January 19, 2008, 05:14:11 AM Louisiana will not be a tossup this year
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2008, 11:26:44 AM yeah
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: JSojourner on January 19, 2008, 04:43:08 PM Weasel,
I hope you're right. But I don't think so. I think Missouri is lean or even likely Republican. While voters through out Jim Talent, he was hardly a good Senator or a smart campaigner. He looked horrible in the debates with McCaskill. And didn't she come from a well-known Missouri family? Plus, I think some states tend to vote one way for Senators, Governors and Congressmen -- and another way entirely for President. North Dakotans keep sending Dorgan, Conrad and Pomeroy back to D.C. But they vote consistently for Republican Presidential candidates. I am just not sure how a state votes for Gubernatorial or Senate candidates necessarily translates into the Presidential race. But like I say, I sincerely hope I am wrong. I am so hoping for the days when there are more reliably Democratic states and Missouri would definitely be one of the ones I want us to pick up. As to Louisiana, I think Hurricane Katrina displaced a large number of the folk who might have made a Presidential race competetive there. And even before Katrina, Louisiana was going for Reagans and Bushes and Doles. There's another North Dakota. Until Breaux left office, it had 2 D Senators. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Person Man on January 19, 2008, 04:52:34 PM Yeah, but Clinton seems to do well in that area and Obama seemed to do well just across the river in Butternut Illinois.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Mr. Morden on November 22, 2008, 02:37:54 AM This thread is funny.
Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: paul718 on November 22, 2008, 07:03:42 PM This thread is funny. Yes, but only because the credit collapse sent everyone's projections out the window. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: SPQR on November 23, 2008, 01:49:58 PM I believe that McCain (esp a McCain/Lieberman ticket) would crush Obama McCain would get 55% (B/C in 2004 + PA, MI, NH,CT,DE,WI,MN & OR) 1. Remember the entusiasm that McCovern generated or the fact that many people believed that Reagan would lose in 1984? 2. Congress 3. McCain's ability to get things done and build coaltions. 4. Indys and Repubs tactically voting against Clinton in IA actually shows the strength of the base. 5. Students will get bored between now and Novemeber. 6. Obama's problems with Blue collar voters and his weakness on national security. http://thepoliticaltipster.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/why-a-mccain-vs-obama-contest-could-result-in-a-republican-landslide/ Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Mr. Morden on November 24, 2008, 01:20:03 PM This thread is funny. Yes, but only because the credit collapse sent everyone's projections out the window. Read the generic elections predictions in my sig. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: paul718 on November 24, 2008, 02:02:50 PM This thread is funny. Yes, but only because the credit collapse sent everyone's projections out the window. Read the generic elections predictions in my sig. Sorry. I have signatures turned off. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Matt Damon™ on November 24, 2008, 02:03:15 PM ...do you think the Obama candidacy would create a racist reaction? i.e. calls for segregation ..etc... Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Mr. Morden on November 27, 2008, 12:36:40 PM This thread is funny. Yes, but only because the credit collapse sent everyone's projections out the window. Read the generic elections predictions in my sig. Sorry. I have signatures turned off. Basically, my argument is that people always say "My prediction would have been right, in a universe where nothing unexpected had happened!" But unexpected things happen in every single election. It doesn't seem to deter people from making ironclad predictions about what's going to happen in each succeeding election. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: paul718 on November 27, 2008, 09:17:51 PM Basically, my argument is that people always say "My prediction would have been right, in a universe where nothing unexpected had happened!" But unexpected things happen in every single election. It doesn't seem to deter people from making ironclad predictions about what's going to happen in each succeeding election. I see. You're right about that. That's why I always try to preface any predictions I make with a closed-universe where the political climate remains consistent and no major events have happened. But I guess that's essentially impossible. Title: Re: Obama v. McCain... Post by: Nym90 on December 17, 2008, 07:11:33 AM No way McCain wins Iowa before New Hampshire, Nevada or probably even Pennsylvania (or a few other states for that matter). Ethanol, anyone? He actually did come closer to winning Iowa than any of those other three states. Not that I would've disagreed with you at the time, of course. |