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Title: 10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 07:16:03 PM
not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I say:

1-LBJ (corrupt, scandal-ridden, selfish bastard responsible for the deaths of 60,00 Americans, countless Vietnamese, Camodianas and Laotians, and a US President)
2-George W Bush (I should probably say Cheney, but my reasons are obvious)
3-Andrew Jackson (genocidal Native slaughterer)
4-Reagan (heartless bastard)
5-Fillmore (Xenophobic Know-Nothing candidate)
6-Coolidge (arch-conservative with ties to the KKK)
7-Tyler (racist fool)
8-Pierce (another weak leading racist)
9-Wilson (despite his accomplishments, his racism, assaults on civil liberties, and lies about war can't be forgiven)
10-Nixon (just corrupt)


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 07:22:17 PM
I know the top two...

Warren G. Harding (R) and James Buchanan (D) (Buchanan being the worst).

I might make a top 10 list later.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Floridude on August 08, 2004, 07:26:48 PM
hmm... Im not sure of the ethical qualities, or lack thereof of the earlier presidents, but lets see... I wont be able to name 10 but here are some ideas.

1. First of all, George W Bush does not make the list.  One may think he is a liar, but im sorry, I dont think he could be a liar unless he is faking his faith


Actually i basically agree with BRTD except for

1.Bush
2.Reagan
3.Coolidge




Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Floridude on August 08, 2004, 07:27:42 PM
good point.  Add Harding


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 07:30:31 PM
Harding wasn't that bad of a guy personally. Aside from the scandal (which he wasn't even directly involved in) I don't think he did that bad anyway, he pardoned Debs and was probably the best president on racial issues up until that point, he gave a very strong speech against lynching.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 07:31:39 PM
1. First of all, George W Bush does not make the list.  One may think he is a liar, but im sorry, I dont think he could be a liar unless he is faking his faith

and I think he is.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 07:31:39 PM
I know the top two...

Warren G. Harding (R) and James Buchanan (D) (Buchanan being the worst).

I might make a top 10 list later.

Harding wasn't that bad of a guy. Aside from the scandals I don't think he did that bad anyway

Scandals made up almost all of his time in office.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 07:32:50 PM
But they didn't directly involve him for the most part. I don't think he was evil or anything, just not fit to be president. Like I said above, I can somewhat forgive him for those on acount of the fact he pardoned Debs and was the best president up until the point on racial issues.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Keystone Phil on August 08, 2004, 07:34:29 PM
not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I didn't see that part. When it comes to the man himself (not based on his Presidency) I'm not sure if Harding was a "bad" guy. Buchanan though was weak and still deserves to be on my list.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 07:35:56 PM
yes, I agree about Buchanan. Harding was a weak president but he wasn't a bad guy. Kind of like Grant.

Although Buchanan isn't on my list anymore, he got bumped off by someone I can't believe I forgot.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: The Duke on August 08, 2004, 08:49:09 PM
1. Jackson
2. LBJ
3. Clinton
4. Nixon
5. Kennedy


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 08, 2004, 08:53:09 PM
I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: RReagan4EVER on August 08, 2004, 08:53:21 PM
Nixon
LBJ
Kennedy
I like Clintons Personality but if Integrity or Family Values count for anything then he has to be Near the top.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: RReagan4EVER on August 08, 2004, 08:56:05 PM
I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?


Kennnedy, a "Family" man with 2 small kids sleeping around with Americas Sweetheart doesnt exactly scream Ethics.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: zachman on August 08, 2004, 10:10:11 PM
1. Andrew Johnson
2. George W. Bush
3. Warren Harding (He said it best in his speech to the 1920 convention)
4. Millard Filmore
5. Nixon
6. LBJ
7. Wilson
I'll stop here.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: opebo on August 09, 2004, 03:31:34 AM
I guess this is different from ten worst presidents, though its hard for me to separate the two.  FDR was the worst president, but not as bad a man as Johnson, who was the second worst president.

1) Lyndon Johnson
2) Theodore Roosevelt
3) Franklin Roosevelt
4) Woodrow Wilson
5) Richard Nixon


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Akno21 on August 09, 2004, 06:51:39 AM

Yes, I see how winning WWII and helping the nation through the Great Depression makes someone the worst president.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: opebo on August 09, 2004, 02:32:59 PM

Yes, I see how winning WWII and helping the nation through the Great Depression makes someone the worst president.

He was a socialist.  And I don't think the president 'wins' wars, the nation does.  Roosevelt was very good at bucking up morale, but I think almost any president could've led the nation to victory.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck on August 09, 2004, 04:15:02 PM
The nation needed a socialist at that time.  Just temporarily to get us out of the Depression.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Schmitz in 1972 on August 09, 2004, 06:59:08 PM
not about their term, but about how good the guy himself was, like the people who say Hoover and Carter were bad but not bad guys wouldn't put them on the list.

I say:

1-LBJ (corrupt, scandal-ridden, selfish bastard responsible for the deaths of 60,00 Americans, countless Vietnamese, Camodianas and Laotians, and a US President)
2-George W Bush (I should probably say Cheney, but my reasons are obvious)
3-Andrew Jackson (genocidal Native slaughterer)
4-Reagan (heartless bastard)
5-Fillmore (Xenophobic Know-Nothing candidate)
6-Coolidge (arch-conservative with ties to the KKK)
7-Tyler (racist fool)
8-Pierce (another weak leading racist)
9-Wilson (despite his accomplishments, his racism, assaults on civil liberties, and lies about war can't be forgiven)
10-Nixon (just corrupt)

I really don't see how you can omit Clinton. Whitewater, Juanita Broderick, lying under oath, Vince Foster, I could go on. Tyler was a guy who would stand for what he thought was right no matter how unpopular his view was. Clinton would just find out which way the wind was blowing.

As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: The Duke on August 10, 2004, 02:14:37 AM
I'm suprised you're the first Republican to mention Clinton. Soon as I made this I expected hordes of Republicans to go screaming "CLINTON #1 DEFINATELY, HE GOT A BLOWJOB FROM AN ULGY INTERN!"

Why Kennedy? That concerned about his private life?

He did more thans sex with Monica.  There was his shady real estate deals, there was his use of thwe IRS as a weapon, there was his misappropriation of key FBI files, and there was his perjury.  He was a sh*tty person.

Kennedy's flaws extend beyond his sex life as well.  He was a dedicated nepotist, appointing his brother as Attorney General.  He lied about his health during the election.  He was the son of a bootlegger.  He chose bonming chicks over working for Civil Rights.  Bad person.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: qwerty on August 10, 2004, 03:24:19 AM
As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality

With the exception of LBJ and Nixon I agree completely with this list. I never understood why Americans remember Kennedy so fondly - had he lived he likely would not have been re-elected. That's why he was in Dallas the day he was killed, because Texas was a crucial state he thought would cost him the election.

John F. Kennedy was a horrible, immoral, lying, filthy man. He wasn't all that good looking either.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: JohnFKennedy on August 10, 2004, 05:03:44 PM
As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality

With the exception of LBJ and Nixon I agree completely with this list. I never understood why Americans remember Kennedy so fondly - had he lived he likely would not have been re-elected. That's why he was in Dallas the day he was killed, because Texas was a crucial state he thought would cost him the election.

John F. Kennedy was a horrible, immoral, lying, filthy man. He wasn't all that good looking either.

I think Kennedy would have been re-elected personally, he had the highest average approval ratings for his time in office of all Presidents of the past half century or century (I forget which).

Coming from a huge fan of Richard Nixon, I find the "horrible, immoral, lying, fithy man" part to be HUGELY ironic considering many of the things Nixon said in private, generally abrasive, sexist and racist comments. He was also pretty paranoid.

Kennedy had a few extramarrital relationships, but, if we are honest, a hell of a lot of politicians have.

All politicians are bastards, the first thing they teach you in politics A-level at my school because to get to where they are today, they have had to knife so many people in the back (or the front).

I believe Boss Tweed puts it as "Leave your ethics at the door".

Ford, on the lying about health, well, FDR did too, he used to have two big guys accompany him side-by-side effectively carrying him because he couldn't walk. I fail to see how lying about health problems makes you a bad person.

I wouldn't list Kennedy as a terrible person, mainly because of his World War II service, he did some bad things, but also some great things. He dragged several of his crewmen from his PT boat after it was hit and swam to an island, I believe he rescued all but one despite being seriously injured at the time.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Rothbard on August 10, 2004, 08:19:47 PM
1. Lincoln
2. FDR
3. LBJ
4. Bush II


There's more, but it's basically been down-hill since Lincoln.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: lidaker on August 11, 2004, 06:01:24 AM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 11, 2004, 08:13:29 AM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: lidaker on August 11, 2004, 11:22:46 AM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.

Revisionist, conspiratorial crap.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: John Dibble on August 11, 2004, 03:02:04 PM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Ulysses S. Grant. Though perhaps a formidable general, he was a drunkard president who had no clue about how to be president.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 11, 2004, 04:06:19 PM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.

Revisionist, conspiratorial crap.

Then explain to me what LBJ meant three days before JFK was killed.

"Soon we will have this Kennedy problem out of our way."


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on August 11, 2004, 10:20:23 PM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Ulysses S. Grant. Though perhaps a formidable general, he was a drunkard president who had no clue about how to be president.

because he was a good guy and good general, just not fit to be president.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: BoBo on August 11, 2004, 11:58:54 PM
1.  Bush
2.  Bush
3.  Reagan
4.  Ford
5.  Nixon
6.  LBJ
7.  Grant
8.  T. Roosevelt
9.  Johnson
10.Harding


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 12, 2004, 01:52:09 AM
1.  Bush
2.  Bush
3.  Reagan
4.  Ford
5.  Nixon
6.  LBJ
7.  Grant
8.  T. Roosevelt
9.  Johnson
10.Harding

Bi-partisan list there!


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Gabu on August 12, 2004, 01:54:26 AM
He included LBJ.  How much more bipartisan do you want it!?

( :P )


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 12, 2004, 01:56:55 AM
He included LBJ.  How much more bipartisan do you want it!?

( :P )

LBJ should be ranked about #1 on anyones list. He's lucky he got away with all he did.


"I knew it I knew it, I was just a patsy" -Lee Harvey Oswald shortly after his arrest.

And yes, that is a real quote that you CAN hear on his arrest video.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: lidaker on August 12, 2004, 03:38:25 AM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.

Revisionist, conspiratorial crap.

Then explain to me what LBJ meant three days before JFK was killed.

"Soon we will have this Kennedy problem out of our way."

I don't know if he said that. If he did, I have no clue what he meant, but I'm sure he didn't mean he was part of a conspiracy trying to assasinate Kennedy. If you say that LBJ was "responsible" for Kennedy's death, something no credible historian ever has claimed, I think it's up to you to prove it.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Michael Z on August 12, 2004, 05:06:16 AM
1. A. Johnson
2. Tyler
3. Buchanan
4. Nixon
5. Harding


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 12, 2004, 01:24:37 PM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.

Revisionist, conspiratorial crap.

Then explain to me what LBJ meant three days before JFK was killed.

"Soon we will have this Kennedy problem out of our way."

I don't know if he said that. If he did, I have no clue what he meant, but I'm sure he didn't mean he was part of a conspiracy trying to assasinate Kennedy. If you say that LBJ was "responsible" for Kennedy's death, something no credible historian ever has claimed, I think it's up to you to prove it.


If the whole theory has no possibility why then did the History Channel do a ten hour series called, "The Men who Killed Kennedy". And why did the Johnson family raise so much hell about it? LBJs former mistress has come forward to admit that their was a conspiracy.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: lidaker on August 12, 2004, 02:26:43 PM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.

Revisionist, conspiratorial crap.

Then explain to me what LBJ meant three days before JFK was killed.

"Soon we will have this Kennedy problem out of our way."

I don't know if he said that. If he did, I have no clue what he meant, but I'm sure he didn't mean he was part of a conspiracy trying to assasinate Kennedy. If you say that LBJ was "responsible" for Kennedy's death, something no credible historian ever has claimed, I think it's up to you to prove it.


If the whole theory has no possibility why then did the History Channel do a ten hour series called, "The Men who Killed Kennedy". And why did the Johnson family raise so much hell about it? LBJs former mistress has come forward to admit that their was a conspiracy.

I don't think what a commercial TV channel does or does not do is evidence here, nor what LBJ's former mistress thinks. Nobody has presented any evidence showing LBJ was in any way involved in the murder. That's enough. Re-writing history is something I would strongly advise against.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: Gabu on August 12, 2004, 05:49:42 PM
I'm curious as to why "man" is pluralized in that title of that History Channel program.  Was it really completely about the idea that LBJ was responsible for the assassination or was it just throwing that out as a possible theory?


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: ?????????? on August 12, 2004, 06:15:08 PM
I'm curious as to why "man" is pluralized in that title of that History Channel program.  Was it really completely about the idea that LBJ was responsible for the assassination or was it just throwing that out as a possible theory?

It was a conspiracy between the CIA and LBJ to rid Washington DC of all the Kennedys. LBJ hated both Kennedys and LBJ had deep ties to the military industry in the US. JFK did NOT want to ratchet up Vietnam but LBJ had already promised his business cronies a boost in business. LBJ has a long history of playing dirty politics. If you don't believe me look at his record in Texas. Another good one is Sirhan Sirhan....yeah he acted alone.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: lidaker on August 13, 2004, 04:43:07 AM
I'm curious as to why "man" is pluralized in that title of that History Channel program.  Was it really completely about the idea that LBJ was responsible for the assassination or was it just throwing that out as a possible theory?

It was a conspiracy between the CIA and LBJ to rid Washington DC of all the Kennedys. LBJ hated both Kennedys and LBJ had deep ties to the military industry in the US. JFK did NOT want to ratchet up Vietnam but LBJ had already promised his business cronies a boost in business. LBJ has a long history of playing dirty politics. If you don't believe me look at his record in Texas. Another good one is Sirhan Sirhan....yeah he acted alone.

And besides ordering the killings of John and Robert Kennedy, LBJ also was responsible for the murder of Martin Luther King. He couldn't tolerate any famous ns cause he was a vicious racist. He also ordered tinkering with Ted Kennedy's car at Chappaquiddick cause he wanted to kill him too cause he hated these Kennedys cause he was evil and brutal and corrupt and played dirty politics.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: gorkay on August 13, 2004, 05:03:37 PM

Yes, I see how winning WWII and helping the nation through the Great Depression makes someone the worst president.

He was a socialist.  And I don't think the president 'wins' wars, the nation does.  Roosevelt was very good at bucking up morale, but I think almost any president could've led the nation to victory.

FDR certainly helped out, don't you think? And he wasn't a socialist; he saved the country from socialism. When Norman Thomas was asked if FDR had carried out the Socialist Party's program, he said, "Yes... he carried it out on a stretcher."


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: gorkay on August 13, 2004, 05:06:17 PM
As for my choices
1. Clinton - lying, self-centered rapist
2. Jackson - impolite, ruthless, cruel, vicious
3. L. Johnson - intimidating and totally corrupt
4. F. Roosevelt - he himself acknoledged he had done enough illegal acts to be imprisoned for 999 years
5. Kennedy - Bill Clintion's role model
6. A. Johnson - far too bitter and prejudiced
7. Harding - not as bad as is usually portrayed but he still had several extramarital affairs
8. Lincoln - exiled Clement Vallandigham from the US because he dared use his right of free speech
9. Arthur - cleaned up when he became president but was corrupt as Customs Collector of New York
10. Nixon - a highly bitter and mysterious personality

With the exception of LBJ and Nixon I agree completely with this list. I never understood why Americans remember Kennedy so fondly - had he lived he likely would not have been re-elected. That's why he was in Dallas the day he was killed, because Texas was a crucial state he thought would cost him the election.

John F. Kennedy was a horrible, immoral, lying, filthy man. He wasn't all that good looking either.
There is no historical basis to your claim that JFK probably wouldn't have been re-elected. Don't allow your dislike of the man to distort the facts. He was very popular even before he was shot, and if he had run against Goldwater he most certainly would have been re-elected.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: gorkay on August 13, 2004, 05:07:38 PM
I don't understand this LBJ hatred. This the worst man ever to be president actually signed into law some of the most important legislation in American history. Please remember no American with the possible exception of Lincoln has done more for the African American cause than Lyndon Baines Johnson.

The only reason it got to LBJs desk was because the Republicans pushed the legislation through congress. LBJ was a racist and history proves it. Plus he was responsible for the death of a US president.
The part about the Republicans pushing civil-rights legislation through Congress is inaccurate.


Title: Re:10 worst men ever to be president
Post by: dazzleman on August 13, 2004, 06:46:08 PM
I'm curious as to why "man" is pluralized in that title of that History Channel program.  Was it really completely about the idea that LBJ was responsible for the assassination or was it just throwing that out as a possible theory?

It was a conspiracy between the CIA and LBJ to rid Washington DC of all the Kennedys. LBJ hated both Kennedys and LBJ had deep ties to the military industry in the US. JFK did NOT want to ratchet up Vietnam but LBJ had already promised his business cronies a boost in business. LBJ has a long history of playing dirty politics. If you don't believe me look at his record in Texas. Another good one is Sirhan Sirhan....yeah he acted alone.

This is a left-wing looney theory that has been out there for a long time, the idea that JFK intended to pull out of Vietnam (which conveniently exonerates the liberal patron saint of the heinous Vietnam crime in which he had a strong hand) but that the military industry wouldn't have it because of the great profits they saw coming from Vietnam, so they had him killed.  This is not a theory that is usually advanced by conservatives.

I don't deny that LBJ was a dirty poltician - as dirty as they come.  I also don't deny that there was some kind of conspiracy behind the Kennedy assassinations (John and Robert) and the King assassination.  But I don't think that anything as vast as what you were talking about could have been kept secret for 40 years.

I think Kennedy would have won re-election comfortably in 1964 had he run, and he would not have pulled out of Vietnam as the liberals have convinced themselves.  He would have ended up in the same mess as LBJ, though he may have done it a little better.

Republicans did not push through the civil rights laws of the 1960s, but a larger number of Republicans than Democrats supported those laws, since the Democrats at that time were effectively two parties - a more progressive northern wing and a backward southern wing.  Republicans provided the margins of victory for those laws.