Title: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 12:24:09 PM Discussion of Feb. 9th Democratic primary & caucus results here.
WA, NE, and LA results shouldn't come out until later today. But there's also a Democratic convention in the Virgin Islands to select delegates there. Does anyone have any idea when in the day that's supposed to happen? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: TheresNoMoney on February 09, 2008, 12:35:40 PM When do the first results come in?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 12:46:58 PM Louisiana: I believe the polls close at 8pm local time, which would be 9pm Eastern time.
Nebraska: Every county is different in terms of when they caucus. Some have already started caucusing, but some don't start until 7pm Eastern. I don't know if results will start trickling out throughout the day, or if we'll have to wait until tonight. Washington: Caucuses begin at 1pm Pacific / 4pm Eastern. Don't know when they'll release results, but most caucus states have started releasing a few results about 1h30m - 2 hours after the caucus starts. Virgin Islands: No idea. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 12:52:05 PM Washington results are supposed to be released by 5 PM EST, but don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 03:22:48 PM Nebraska-Strong turnout in the caucuses so far. Obama is seeming to be beating Clinton by a 2 to 1 margin in some area's according to some that have already caucused.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 03:32:26 PM Hmm, well I guess I better go caucus now.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 03:35:44 PM Nebraska-Strong turnout in the caucuses so far. Obama is seeming to be beating Clinton by a 2 to 1 margin in some area's according to some that have already caucused. Make that 3-1. Some caucus sites have been overwhelmed. Caucusing at one middle school had to be moved to the parking lot because the gym was overflowing. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 03:46:11 PM Link?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 03:48:48 PM http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=2835&u_sid=10254218 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 03:50:48 PM Thank you.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 05:31:51 PM Any news from Washington yet?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 05:34:56 PM Any news from Washington yet? Beyond there being what looks like a very high turnout... not so far. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 05:40:55 PM NO!!!
My precinct was only 75% Obama!! HITLERY GOT A DELEGATE!! NOOOOO. I gave a long speech about why Obama was the best, but nobody changed their mind (although all the Obama people clapped for me). Ugh! Clintonistas. Disgusting. Some girl reeking of weed came in at the last minute. She was a Clintonista. Ugh! Anyway, it's an almost exclusively college student precinct, so 75% really is pretty awful. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ottermax on February 09, 2008, 05:48:59 PM Just came back from caucus. I live in a small precinct and we had 24 people show up. Other precincts had 40-50 people, and the school we were at had hundreds. The multi-purpose room was packed, so they moved half the people to the gym. It was crazy, but overwhelmingly Obama. Our precinct only had 3 Clinton, and we ended up choosing all our delegates for Obama.
Obama landslide! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 05:49:40 PM Early Louisiana exit poll highlights:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1131ap_campaign_exit_poll_glance.html Quote Some highlights of preliminary data from exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and television networks in the Louisiana presidential primaries Saturday: DEMOGRAPHICS Blacks were close to half the Democratic electorate, while nine in 10 Republican primary voters were white. As is typical for presidential primaries, men predominated in the GOP electorate while more women voted in the Democratic contest. Close to one in 10 voters in both primaries were under age 30 and one in four were over age 65. HURRICANE KATRINA IMPACT One in seven Democratic voters and about one in 10 Republicans said Hurricane Katrina caused their families severe hardship and they have not recovered. About one in four in both parties said the storm caused severe hardship but they have recovered. Two-thirds of Republicans and a little more than a half of Democrats said Katrina did not cause their family severe hardship. There also were early indications from the exit poll that the northern part of Louisiana was a larger share of the electorate in both parties compared to past primaries, reflecting a population decline in New Orleans and other coastal areas. ECONOMIC CONCERNS Given three choices, nearly half of Democratic voters said the economy was the most important issue facing the country. About three in 10 said the war in Iraq and the rest said health care. Nine in 10 Democrats rated the national economy not good or poor. Given four choices, one in three Republican voters said the economy was the top issue. Each of the other three choices - the war in Iraq, illegal immigration and terrorism - was picked by one in five GOP voters. Half of Republicans viewed the economy positively. RACE AND GENDER In the historic Democratic contest to nominate either the first black or first woman for president, about one in five voters said gender was an important factor in their vote and about as many said that about race. --- From partial samples of 709 Democratic primary voters and 368 Republican primary voters conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International in 30 precincts across Louisiana on Saturday. Margin of sampling error plus or minus 5 percentage points for the Democratic primary and 6 points for the Republican. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 09, 2008, 05:51:03 PM NO!!! My precinct was only 75% Obama!! HITLERY GOT A DELEGATE!! NOOOOO. I gave a long speech about why Obama was the best, but nobody changed their mind (although all the Obama people clapped for me). Ugh! Clintonistas. Disgusting. Some girl reeking of weed came in at the last minute. She was a Clintonista. Ugh! Anyway, it's an almost exclusively college student precinct, so 75% really is pretty awful. Many Clintonistor's among that 25% or not? Dave Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 05:51:40 PM Blacks were close to half the Democratic electorate So much for Obama having problems in Louisiana. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 05:52:34 PM Sounds like Obama will win Louisiana by about 10 points, unless blacks act differently than they have before.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 05:53:00 PM Just came back from caucus. I live in a small precinct and we had 24 people show up. Other precincts had 40-50 people, and the school we were at had hundreds. The multi-purpose room was packed, so they moved half the people to the gym. It was crazy, but overwhelmingly Obama. Our precinct only had 3 Clinton, and we ended up choosing all our delegates for Obama. Obama landslide! I'm so jealous! We had some Clintonista-bitch defending the War in Iraq because of 9/11 and going on about how much she hates Barack Obama. We only had 16 people, and 4 of them were Clintonistas. I'm really upset. Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. I'm also an alternate delegate. I could've been a normal delegate but I didn't really want to be. :) Dem Hawk--- 3 girls and 1 guy for Clinton. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 09, 2008, 05:57:35 PM Sounds like Obama will win Louisiana by about 10 points, unless blacks act differently than they have before. Maybe more, if whites vote like they did in GA ;) rather than AL Dave Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 09, 2008, 06:00:01 PM Dem Hawk--- 3 girls and 1 guy for Clinton. How did the Obama kids split? Dave Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 06:00:26 PM Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 06:04:56 PM Sounds like Obama will win Louisiana by about 10 points, unless blacks act differently than they have before. Maybe more, if whites vote like they did in GA ;) rather than AL Dave The whites in LA are more like the whites in AL, if not more racist. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 09, 2008, 06:05:03 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 06:05:33 PM 3-1 for Obama in nine precincts in Seattle in the caucuses. It involved about a 1,000 people.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 06:09:17 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine? Yes!! :'( :'( It only had 16 people so it's a pretty small sample... Was yours the entire caucus location or just your single precinct? Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Haha. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 09, 2008, 06:17:48 PM Sounds like Obama will win Louisiana by about 10 points, unless blacks act differently than they have before. Maybe more, if whites vote like they did in GA ;) rather than AL Dave The whites in LA are more like the whites in AL, if not more racist. :) So the primary could be even more racially polarised :( than AL then? Is MS likely to be the same? Dave Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Democratic Hawk on February 09, 2008, 06:19:37 PM Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Now if only the caucus could be like that at large :) Dave Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 06:21:48 PM Sounds like Obama will win Louisiana by about 10 points, unless blacks act differently than they have before. Maybe more, if whites vote like they did in GA ;) rather than AL Dave The whites in LA are more like the whites in AL, if not more racist. :) So the primary could be even more racially polarised :( than AL then? Is MS likely to be the same? Dave Of course, it's going to be racially polarized (Is the Pope Catholic?). MS will be as well. It will "appear" less polarized than AL county-wise, because the blacks are more spread out in LA, but it'll still be there. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 06:22:45 PM So, i guess we can expect a really good night for Barack Obama, as expected.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 06:23:53 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine? Yes!! :'( :'( It only had 16 people so it's a pretty small sample... Was yours the entire caucus location or just your single precinct? Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Haha. :) I thought Washington had their primary today and their caucus on February 19? I'm confused. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 06:24:40 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine? Yes!! :'( :'( It only had 16 people so it's a pretty small sample... Was yours the entire caucus location or just your single precinct? Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Haha. :) I thought Washington had their primary today and their caucus on February 19? I'm confused. Other way around. And the primary is even more of a beauty contest than Florida was. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 06:26:23 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine? Yes!! :'( :'( It only had 16 people so it's a pretty small sample... Was yours the entire caucus location or just your single precinct? Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Haha. :) I thought Washington had their primary today and their caucus on February 19? I'm confused. Other way around. And the primary is even more of a beauty contest than Florida was. Darn CNN.com. What time do the caucuses close? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 06:27:26 PM The caucuses should all be done by now (mine ended an hour ago). We could have results within two hours.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 06:36:58 PM Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Now if only the caucus could be like that at large :) Dave Hardly, if Clinton got 50% of the black vote the media would never stop talking about it. :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: TomC on February 09, 2008, 07:11:00 PM My middle-class, old-leaning, WWI suburban Tacoma precinct, near where Clinton campaigned, was 14 Obama, 6 Clinton. My friends', adjacent to UPS (campaign Clinton locale) was 15-5. All of the precincts were at least 3:2 Obama. This bodes well for a statewide landslide. Oh, I'm a delegate. Excellent! Thank you for doing that. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:21:18 PM The teaser poll results in Louisiana suggest that it will be a relatively tight race - probably Obama by a few percent. If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:22:16 PM More reports coming in.
Seattle city: Belltown: 5-to-1 Obama Eastlake: 3.5-to-1 Obama Cap Hill (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama Crown Hill: 3-to-1 Obama Green Lake: 5-to-1 Obama Interbay: "Obama landslide" Madison Park: "Very close" Rainier Beach: 8-to-1 Obama Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama South Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama Other: Bellingham: 3.5-to-1 Obama Lake Forest Park (suburban Seattle): 4.5-to-1 Obama Maple Valley: 1.5-to-1 Obama Olympia: 3-to-1 Obama Tacoma (central): 1.5-to-1 Obama Tacoma (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 07:22:35 PM If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there. I AM SHOCKED!!!!!11111 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 07:23:54 PM In the two precincts that I know of (I was at a wake so I learned through my friends but still voted through proxy) the result was:
78% Obama 22% Clinton and the other about 66% Obama and 33% Clinton (rough estimate) The first was in the city of Olympia while the second was Steamboat Island area to the west (A rural but liberal area). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:24:32 PM If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there. I AM SHOCKED!!!!!11111 Well he got 26% of it in South Carolina. It does not look like he will get that much in Louisiana per the tea leaves, but I am filling in perhaps too many blanks. Those in Louisiana concerned about the economy split evenly between the two candidates is the main tea leaf I am looking at. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:25:58 PM More reports coming in. Seattle city: Belltown: 5-to-1 Obama Eastlake: 3.5-to-1 Obama Cap Hill (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama Crown Hill: 3-to-1 Obama Green Lake: 5-to-1 Obama Interbay: "Obama landslide" Madison Park: "Very close" Rainier Beach: 8-to-1 Obama Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama South Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama Other: Bellingham: 3.5-to-1 Obama Lake Forest Park (suburban Seattle): 4.5-to-1 Obama Maple Valley: 1.5-to-1 Obama Olympia: 3-to-1 Obama Tacoma (central): 1.5-to-1 Obama Tacoma (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama That is interesting. Madison Park is high income, yet Obama is relatively weak there. Obama is doing very well in eclectic, gay and university zones in Seattle, at least in neighborhood names that I recognize. Where is "interbay?" Is that a minority area? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 07:27:10 PM If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there. I AM SHOCKED!!!!!11111 Well he got 26% of it in South Carolina. It does not look like he will get that much in Louisiana per the tea leaves, but I am filling in perhaps too many blanks. Those in Louisiana concerned about the economy split evenly between the two candidates is the main tea leaf I am looking at. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:28:56 PM If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there. I AM SHOCKED!!!!!11111 Well he got 26% of it in South Carolina. It does not look like he will get that much in Louisiana per the tea leaves, but I am filling in perhaps too many blanks. Those in Louisiana concerned about the economy split evenly between the two candidates is the main tea leaf I am looking at. They are being reported on Fox News. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 07:30:15 PM If true, Obama didn't get much of the white vote there. I AM SHOCKED!!!!!11111 Well he got 26% of it in South Carolina. It does not look like he will get that much in Louisiana per the tea leaves, but I am filling in perhaps too many blanks. Those in Louisiana concerned about the economy split evenly between the two candidates is the main tea leaf I am looking at. They are being reported on Fox News. OMG FOXKKK KKKONSPIRAECEEE!!!!!11111 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bkey on February 09, 2008, 07:30:34 PM CNN.com only has the Washinton primary listed as being on Feb. 19. I thought there was a caucus today where delegates are actually being given. Am I wrong about this?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:31:03 PM Ya, I am probably the only participant watching Fox News on this thread. :)
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:35:13 PM More reports coming in. Seattle city: Belltown: 5-to-1 Obama Eastlake: 3.5-to-1 Obama Cap Hill (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama Crown Hill: 3-to-1 Obama Green Lake: 5-to-1 Obama Interbay: "Obama landslide" Madison Park: "Very close" Rainier Beach: 8-to-1 Obama Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama South Ravenna: 5-to-1 Obama Other: Bellingham: 3.5-to-1 Obama Lake Forest Park (suburban Seattle): 4.5-to-1 Obama Maple Valley: 1.5-to-1 Obama Olympia: 3-to-1 Obama Tacoma (central): 1.5-to-1 Obama Tacoma (north): 2.5-to-1 Obama That is interesting. Madison Park is high income, yet Obama is relatively weak there. Obama is doing very well in eclectic, gay and university zones in Seattle, at least in neighborhood names that I recognize. Eh. Madison Park is Seattle's oldest area, too. Keep in mind that these are only one precinct reports too (except for Madison Park, actually, which is two - one narrow each way). The Lake Hills region of Bellevue, which is very affluent and almost half senior citizen, is reporting a 3-to-1 margin for Obama. Other reports: - Obama landslide in Port Townsend - Strong Obama wins in Everett Before I call a 2-to-1 landslide, I want reports from Vancouver and Spokane, and rural areas. But...Obama landslide. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:35:39 PM CNN.com only has the Washinton primary listed as being on Feb. 19. I thought there was a caucus today where delegates are actually being given. Am I wrong about this? Kinda. The Democrats won't count the primary at all, the GOP will count it for half (and the caucuses today as the other half). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:43:56 PM Reports of 9-to-1 murder in downtown Olympia
Clinton failing to receive any delegates in Carnation, a small left-leaning town outside of metro Seattle UW dorms giving Obama votes at 8-to-1 margin Unless Clinton is doing very well in rural areas...this is way beyond what I'd have ever expected. My prediction blew. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:47:21 PM Reports of 9-to-1 murder in downtown Olympia Clinton failing to receive any delegates in Carnation, a small left-leaning town outside of metro Seattle UW dorms giving Obama votes at 8-to-1 margin Unless Clinton is doing very well in rural areas...this is way beyond what I'd have ever expected. My prediction blew. Where are you getting all of this stuff? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ottermax on February 09, 2008, 07:47:26 PM My caucus (which was really packed in a moderate area) was in the Cougar Mountain area (South Bellevue/Issaquah) with people from some very high incomes on the hill or living on Lake Sammamish. My precinct was a mix of ultra-wealthy and elderly Obama supporters along with some middle-income Obama supporters. In other precincts (again very wealthy) it appeared to be Obama landslides throughout. My area has very few youth; mostly elderly/soccer moms, and Obama was winning overwhelmingly.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:49:24 PM Where are you getting all of this stuff? Anecdotal newspaper reports, anecdotal reports of people I know, etc. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 07:49:53 PM So ive been asleep all day and I only just woke up [yeah I know im hell lazy] can anyone update me briefly on whats been going on so far?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:50:31 PM Where are you getting all of this stuff? Anecdotal newspaper reports, anecdotal reports of people I know, etc. You are doing a great job. I had to gin up a neighborhood map of Seattle though, to find some of the names. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:50:43 PM So ive been asleep all day and I only just woke up [yeah I know im hell lazy] can anyone update me briefly on whats been going on so far? - KS strongly for Huckabee - WA looking like an Obama landslide - Limited out of LA, but Obama looks somewhat favored Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 07:52:17 PM So ive been asleep all day and I only just woke up [yeah I know im hell lazy] can anyone update me briefly on whats been going on so far? - KS strongly for Huckabee - WA looking like an Obama landslide - Limited out of LA, but Obama looks somewhat favored Ah indeed...nothing out from Nebraska? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:52:35 PM Where are you getting all of this stuff? Anecdotal newspaper reports, anecdotal reports of people I know, etc. You are doing a great job. I had to gin up a neighborhood map of Seattle though, to find some of the names. :) Sorry 'bout that. I was going to put one up, but some of these are one-precinct reports and - truthfully - there's not much of a correlation. I'll say this: - Obama getting massive landslides in college areas - Obama getting massive landslides in black areas - The middle-aged rich and elderly "Dems for life" women appear to be Clinton's best group (N. Capitol Hill, Madison Park) but probably even they are voting Obama As for results like Lake Hills in Bellevue being 3-to-1 Obama, and some of these rural reports... Chalk it up to caucus craziness. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:53:44 PM Some post from a Seattle Times poster said it was 2-1 Obama in Yakima per the buzz.
One Caucus site from Vancouver (across the river from Portland), 3-1 Obama. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 07:54:00 PM Hmm, could Washington have a Colorado/Minnesota type blowout?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 07:54:12 PM So ive been asleep all day and I only just woke up [yeah I know im hell lazy] can anyone update me briefly on whats been going on so far? - KS strongly for Huckabee - WA looking like an Obama landslide - Limited out of LA, but Obama looks somewhat favored Ah indeed...nothing out from Nebraska? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 07:55:15 PM 2-to-1 Obama in Yakima? Good god. The city? The entire city? Not the majority Latino part?
Obama apparently 3-to-1'ed a part of Edmonds where nearly half the Democrat voters are Asians. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 07:55:36 PM Hmm, could Washington have a Colorado/Minnesota type blowout? could be even better, though most likely would be around that area. Many of my friends are now delegates! I just wish I had been able to attend, apparently my caucus location went from about 85 people in 2004 to aroudn 180 this year. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 07:56:43 PM So ive been asleep all day and I only just woke up [yeah I know im hell lazy] can anyone update me briefly on whats been going on so far? - KS strongly for Huckabee - WA looking like an Obama landslide - Limited out of LA, but Obama looks somewhat favored Ah indeed...nothing out from Nebraska? Emergencies?! :O btw im dissapointed MSNBC is doing ZERO coverage on all this. I have to go between Fox and CNN.....I feel like vomiting >:D Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:56:48 PM 2-to-1 Obama in Yakima? Good god. The city? The entire city? Not the majority Latino part? Obama apparently 3-to-1'ed a part of Edmonds where nearly half the Democrat voters are Asians. Here is the copy and paste: In Yakima, it's Obama: Turnout was huge. In 2004, we had 24 precincts meeting at our location location. Today we had six and the the room was packed. Many more people than in 2004. Clinton had no organization and only one sign. It was home-made. Obama stuff was everywhere, and they were organized down to the precinct level. Results for my precinct: 41 for Obama, 19 for Clinton. The other precincts had similar numbers. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ottermax on February 09, 2008, 07:57:53 PM Hmm, could Washington have a Colorado/Minnesota type blowout? could be even better, though most likely would be around that area. Many of my friends are now delegates! I just wish I had been able to attend, apparently my caucus location went from about 85 people in 2004 to aroudn 180 this year. Where are you? My caucus had like 300 people at least (how many people can you fit in an elementary school multi-purpose room shoulder to shoulder?) I wish I could vote... a lot of my friends came even though they are all underage. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 07:59:35 PM Matt Fisher says from Bellingham:
Precint 208 in Bellingham: had about 128 people present. 13 delegates for Obama, 3 for Clinton. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 08:00:01 PM How long before we get any proper numbers? I don't trust anecdotal reports, even if they're plausible (as these are).
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:00:30 PM Yeah, I'm mad at MSNBC too. I have to watch Clinton New Network now.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:01:08 PM Thank God, MSNBC just turned on.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:03:09 PM Thank God, MSNBC just turned on. WOO! Chuck Todd good to hear your voice. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:03:52 PM Thank God, MSNBC just turned on. Seriously? Oh thank God. I get to see the lovely Nora O'Donnel :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:07:59 PM Uhg, they are actually in Richmond tonight and I cant see them...how dissapointing.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 08:08:51 PM WA Results link...
http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=display&id=272 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 08:12:10 PM ()
Unintentionally hilarious (it's the second line in the red box wot does it). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Bacon King on February 09, 2008, 08:13:31 PM LA polls closing now, yes?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: 8 out of 11 is not deserved on February 09, 2008, 08:14:01 PM CNN is such as Hack network for the Clinton's. They show Hillary +101 delegates. AP, MSNBC, AP all show Clinton + high 50's to low 60's.
Who does these hacks think they are kidding Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gustaf on February 09, 2008, 08:14:44 PM LA polls closing now, yes? LA? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 08:14:49 PM WA results now here as well:
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/state.shtml?state=WA Obama 65% Clinton 34% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:14:50 PM WA Results link... http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=display&id=272 65.8% for Obama so far :) 27.4% reporting Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 08:15:00 PM () Unintentionally hilarious (it's the second line in the red box wot does it). Why is it i always had a soft spot for Rossi during the whole recount fiasco four years back? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 08:15:42 PM WA Results link... http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=display&id=272 65.8% for Obama so far :) 27.4% reporting Sweet!!!! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: The Mikado on February 09, 2008, 08:15:58 PM Nebraska:
CD Clinton Obama Uncommitted Other Attendees % Attendees % Attendees % Attendees % 1 1641 41.9 2279 58.1 0 0 0 0 2 3709 23.2 12252 76.8 0 0 0 0 3 2272 47 2543 52.7 14 0.3 0 0 Total 7622 30.8 17074 69.1 14 0.1 0 0 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:16:10 PM () Unintentionally hilarious (it's the second line in the red box wot does it). Why is it i always had a soft spot for Rossi during the whole recount fiasco four years back? Because his name is Dino. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:17:49 PM LA polls closing now, yes? LA? Louisiana abbreviation = LA Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Bacon King on February 09, 2008, 08:18:07 PM LA polls closing now, yes? LA? Louisiana, I meant, though I don't remember. Do polls close at eight central or eastern time? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:18:30 PM LA polls closing now, yes? LA? Louisiana, I meant, though I don't remember. Do polls close at eight central or eastern time? 8 Central. They've got another forty minutes. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gustaf on February 09, 2008, 08:19:06 PM LA polls closing now, yes? LA? Louisiana, I meant, though I don't remember. Do polls close at eight central or eastern time? Ah...I thought you had missed the CA primary. :) I guess the abbreviation I was thinking of is just more common. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:19:13 PM MSNBC calls Nebraska for Obama.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:19:25 PM The lovely Nora has called Nebraska for Obama
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:19:45 PM Nebraska = WIN...69% to 31% WOOF
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:20:02 PM Now we just need to landslide Louisiana.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 08:20:21 PM WA Results link... http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=display&id=272 65.8% for Obama so far :) 27.4% reporting That's a fair chunck already reporting... having said that wouldnt some of Obama's strongest areas be most likley to report first? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:20:47 PM Hillary got raped in Nebraska as expected
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: 8 out of 11 is not deserved on February 09, 2008, 08:21:35 PM Now we just need to landslide Louisiana. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:22:08 PM CNN now reporting 67-32-1 (Uncommitted) in Washington with 30% in.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:24:27 PM CNN really is retarded. They were trying to spin it like Clinton had a chance in Washington
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:24:58 PM CNN really is retarded. They were trying to spin it like Clinton had a chance in Washington All the better for Obama, then. Anyway, same numbers, but up to 35% reporting. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: War on Want on February 09, 2008, 08:25:28 PM CNN really is retarded. They were trying to spin it like Clinton had a chance in Washington Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:25:38 PM Was there any exit/entrance [whatever you want to call them] polls from Nebraska or Washington? Or both?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:25:52 PM Um... wouldn't Clinton need to win some ridiculous percentage of the remaining 70% vote to win Washington at this point?
Also, exit polls for the caucuses would be awesome. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 08:26:57 PM CNN really is retarded. They were trying to spin it like Clinton had a chance in Washington Exactly... the fact that Clinton spent a fair part of the last few days there has only helped Obama as it gave the impression of seriously contesting the state and makes his (likley) win all the more impressive. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 08:27:09 PM CNN projects Nebraska for Obama.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: War on Want on February 09, 2008, 08:27:24 PM Nebraska is called for Obama. O RLY?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:28:02 PM Was there any exit/entrance [whatever you want to call them] polls from Nebraska or Washington? Or both? I think they stopped bothering with entrance polls after they were so far off in Nevada. Of course, this isn't all that surprising; it's much easier to poll when you know what the demographics should look like, as in Iowa. These other caucus states have never been relevant. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:29:10 PM Was there any exit/entrance [whatever you want to call them] polls from Nebraska or Washington? Or both? I think they stopped bothering with entrance polls after they were so far off in Nevada. Of course, this isn't all that surprising; it's much easier to poll when you know what the demographics should look like, as in Iowa. These other caucus states have never been relevant. Figures, but some sort of information would be nice to look at anyways. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 08:31:10 PM Was there any exit/entrance [whatever you want to call them] polls from Nebraska or Washington? Or both? I think they stopped bothering with entrance polls after they were so far off in Nevada. Of course, this isn't all that surprising; it's much easier to poll when you know what the demographics should look like, as in Iowa. These other caucus states have never been relevant. Figures, but some sort of information would be nice to look at anyways. Probably not very useful though; caucus goings not being a very typical bunch of people. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:31:39 PM Anyway, Nebraska is 69-31 for Obama with 73% in. Washington is 67-32 for Obama with 35% in. Louisiana polls close in about half an hour.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 08:31:52 PM Just got back from my caucus location. We had 90 there in 2004, there were 375 this time. Obama won every precinct by about a 2-1 margin. The hilarious part was the Clinton people were there before I even showed up to open the doors and set up at 11:45 AM... and then they got owned.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 08:32:21 PM How long 'till the polls close in Lyonesse?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 08:34:04 PM Quote CNN projects Nebraska for Obama. They sure waited long enough. Seriously, what does Hillary! have on these people? They are so far up her hind quarters it isn't even funny. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:34:16 PM How long 'till the polls close in Lyonesse? Alittle less than 30 minutes. Im nervous about LA... Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:35:32 PM How long 'till the polls close in Lyonesse? Alittle less than 30 minutes. Im nervous about LA... I'm not but he may get under 55% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 08:36:25 PM Anyway, Nebraska is 69-31 for Obama with 73% in. Washington is 67-32 for Obama with 35% in. Louisiana polls close in about half an hour. Sheesh, I knew Hillary was going to lose those but I didn't expect a raping that bad. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 08:36:46 PM Quote I'm not but he may get under 55% If that happens watch for the Hillary! spinmeisters to start harping about how she "Kept it close" and "what an amazing victory that was." CNN will lead the way on that one. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 08:37:02 PM I'm wondering why, with 37% of the precincts reporting and Obama leading by 35%, that CNN isn't calling Washington for Obama?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: 8 out of 11 is not deserved on February 09, 2008, 08:38:34 PM Anything from the Virgin Islands? I'd like to see Obama get the 3 delegates here. They all count
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:38:50 PM I'm wondering why, with 37% of the precincts reporting and Obama leading by 35%, that CNN isn't calling Washington for Obama? Its now 42% in, and its CNN for goodness sakes. They cant swallow admitting defeat. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:38:53 PM I'm wondering why, with 37% of the precincts reporting and Obama leading by 35%, that CNN isn't calling Washington for Obama? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 08:38:57 PM Quote I'm wondering why, with 37% of the precincts reporting and Obama leading by 35%, that CNN isn't calling Washington for Obama? Because they are in bed with Hillary!. They refuse to call Obama states until the last possible minute. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 08:39:03 PM CNN projects Obama in Washington state.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 08:39:33 PM CNN projects Obama in Washington state. Must of heard me bitchin'. :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 08:39:38 PM Quote CNN projects Obama in Washington state. Again, it took them long enough. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: 8 out of 11 is not deserved on February 09, 2008, 08:39:45 PM Fox will not call WA, because WA isn't reporting by area, just overall
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: 8 out of 11 is not deserved on February 09, 2008, 08:40:52 PM Fox just called WA for Obama also
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:43:17 PM The MSNBC panelists are talking too much to notice anything else going on unfortunately -_-
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 08:43:56 PM CNN really has no idea what they are talking about.
They just claimed that 40% of the vote came from Adams, Asotin, Benton and Franklin County combined. Dumbs. Useless fancy maps! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:45:16 PM CNN really has no idea what they are talking about. They just claimed that 40% of the vote came from Adams, Asotin, Benton and Franklin County combined. Dumbs. Useless fancy maps! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 08:46:36 PM CNN's maps results are just what they're getting from the state party. The state party has only released county data for a few places but they have released the total statewide.
So all CNN is doing is what the Democratic party is giving them :D Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:47:16 PM CNN should let us access their maps over the internet. They're much better than the NYT's maps.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:47:43 PM Shes speaking.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:47:46 PM 48% now in from WA, still the same 67-32 result. Obama has gained marginally.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 08:48:17 PM Fox will not call WA Fox just called WA Huh? :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 08:48:53 PM Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:49:51 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:50:43 PM Politico has a handful of votes from Louisiana already even though polls haven't closed yet...
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 08:51:21 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? The state party just hasn't updated the jurisdiction level pages, but they are adding in King, Pierce and Snohomish. We have no idea where these results are coming from. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 08:51:48 PM Shes speaking. my ears they hurt What's she saying, was tonight a resounding victory for the Clinton campaign? :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:51:55 PM Shes speaking. my ears they hurt I want someone to walk up to to her and whisper in her ear "psst....you just LOST Nebraska and Washington...." then walk off.....I wanna see how huge the explosion of her head will be. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 08:52:20 PM Pierce is moderating the results, which is unsurprising since we were heavily targeted, but she's still solidly below 40% there. Ouch.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 08:53:39 PM Shes speaking. my ears they hurt I want someone to walk up to to her and whisper in her ear "psst....you just LOST Nebraska and Washington...." then walk off.....I wanna see how huge the explosion of her head will be. I doubt she'd be surprised. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 08:53:53 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? The state party just hasn't updated the jurisdiction level pages, but they are adding in King, Pierce and Snohomish. We have no idea where these results are coming from. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 08:54:00 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: muon2 on February 09, 2008, 08:54:39 PM The breakdown by CD in NE can be found at the Omaha World Herald (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_cd/NE_Page_0209_VD.html?SITE=NEOMAELN&SECTION=POLITICS). I've added my estimate of delegates.
CD 1 - 6 delegates (50% reporting), Obama 58% - 3, Clinton 42% - 2, one delegate too close to call CD 2 - 6 delegates (100% repoting), Obama 77% - 5, Clinton 23% - 1 CD 3 - 4 delegates (77% reporting), Obama 53% - 2, Clinton 47% - 2 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 08:55:18 PM Now 57% in from Washington, margin unchanged.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 08:55:52 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 08:57:15 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. Its almost like she's telling Barack Obama, and John McCain for that matter, these words -- MAKE MY DAY!!!! Or could she be echoing John Kerry's famous words in 2004 -- Bring it On!!!! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 08:57:39 PM Hillary says some people can't tell a difference between her and Bush - I would like to let her know that we do see a difference. She's evil and divisive, and he's just stupid and divisive. ;D
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 08:58:11 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. I've always said she sounds like that pre-recorded voice on the telephone that reminds you that you only have 11$ left on your debit card. :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 08:58:48 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. I can just imagine how she would sound during an hour long State of the Union every year. Ugh. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 08:58:57 PM Louisiana with just a few hundred votes:
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/state.shtml?state=LA Obama 59% Clinton 26% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 09:00:28 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. I dont like revelling in Clinton bashing, which seems the sport of choice amougst many Dems at the moment... but she cant inspire to save her life, now being President isnt all about inspring or providing leadership (or at least the impression of it - see the current president) but it's pretty damn important... i simply can imagine how she (or for that matter Gore frankly) would cope with somthing like 9/11. Doesnt on its own mean she wouldnt be a good president... but the ability to project your self as a credible leader is pretty important. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:00:54 PM Clinton wins a county in Washington. :(
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:01:22 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. I can just imagine how she would sound during an hour long State of the Union every year. Ugh. I like how shes praising Kaine as if enough ass kissing is going to sway his endorsement from Obama to her. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 09:01:56 PM Clinton wins a county in Washington. :( laaaaaaaame Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:02:29 PM Exit polls look good for Obama, though it'll be a close win.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 09:02:36 PM Clinton wins a county in Washington. :( No she doesn't (thus far). Pacific is listed at the NYT as 80%-11% Clinton; it should be 55%-41% Obama. Obama leads in every county, although Franklin will be close. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 09:03:27 PM Considering Seattle and Remond aren't even in yet, could Obama break 70%? He'll landslide both, of course, but by more than he's doing in the rural counties? Indeed. Washington is only going to get worse for Clinton. On the subject of Clinton, I'm watching CNN and she's speaking. Is it just me, or does she just get progressively louder and angrier sounding in every one of her speeches? She reminds me of my mom. I hate how she speaks, its sounds very cold and rehearsed. Plus shes slightly monotoned....its annoying. I can just imagine how she would sound during an hour long State of the Union every year. Ugh. I like how shes praising Kaine as if enough ass kissing is going to sway his endorsement from Obama to her. Really, could she have kissed more VA Democrat ass? "I heart Mark Warner, Doug Wilder, Tim Kaine,...and Mark Warner!". Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 09:03:33 PM Pacific is listed at the NYT as 80%-11% Clinton; it should be 55%-41% Obama. Huh? Why? CNN has the 80-11 numbers as well. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:04:00 PM Exit polls look good for Obama, though it'll be a close win. Post some info from the poll? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:04:51 PM Exit polls in LA say 53-45 Obama. He also did better among women than men ??? (54-45 among women, 52-45 among men; I guess the racist-and-sexist vote turned out.)
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 09:05:05 PM Pacific is listed at the NYT as 80%-11% Clinton; it should be 55%-41% Obama. Huh? Why? CNN has the 80-11 numbers as well. Weird. http://www.wa-democrats.org/index.php?page=display&id=273 Washington Democrats say 70-52 Obama, a number that makes much, much more sense. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:06:10 PM The race question is incredibly ugly.
White (50%) Clinton 69-28 African American (44%) Obama 86-14 Male (43%) Obama 52-45 Female (57%) Obama 54-45 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:06:26 PM Exit polls in LA say 53-45 Obama. He also did better among women than men ??? MSNBC says Obama leads exit polls by a "substantial margin". Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 09:07:26 PM He also did better among women than men Likely translation: more women were black. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 09, 2008, 09:08:36 PM Male (43%) Obama 52-45 Female (57%) Obama 54-45 That's an interesting gender gap. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:09:37 PM http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#LADEM
Some interesting points: Obama leads all age groups except over 60/over 65. Obama manages about 28% of whites. Clinton only gets 14% of blacks. Racial breakdown was 50% white, 44% black, 5% Hispanic. Clinton wins the non-church-goers, who had favored Obama so far, but Obama won every other religious category. Obama wins all regions, but only just barely scrapes by in Cajun Country. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:09:50 PM Washington, 65.8% reporting, 67.3% Obama to 31.6% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 09, 2008, 09:10:43 PM Male (43%) Obama 52-45 Female (57%) Obama 54-45 That's an interesting gender gap. I think its more a product of race distorting the patterns we've seen in other states than anything else... still odd I'll grant. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 09:11:21 PM It will be interesting to see how close the actual results (esp. concerning whites) are to the exit poll.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: perdedor on February 09, 2008, 09:11:36 PM Washington, 65.8% reporting, 67.3% Obama to 31.6% Clinton Has King county come in yet? If not, could Obama keep Clinton under 30%? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:12:07 PM He also did better among women than men Likely translation: more women were black. Probably (as I said), although it is also possible that men were simply more likely to be racist (as Clinton's vote did not go up among men; Other did). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:12:17 PM The delegate race, so far:
Washington: Obama 14 Clinton 05 Outstanding 59 Nebraska: Obama 10 Clinton 03 Outstanding 11 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 09:12:55 PM Washington, 65.8% reporting, 67.3% Obama to 31.6% Clinton Has King county come in yet? If not, could Obama keep Clinton under 30%? All but the 5th (rich) and 32nd (like two people) are pretty much in. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 09:13:29 PM CNN says that Louisiana is the first southern state where Obama has the more "diverse" constituency.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on February 09, 2008, 09:16:54 PM Washington, 65.8% reporting, 67.3% Obama to 31.6% Clinton Has King county come in yet? If not, could Obama keep Clinton under 30%? She's getting 29% in King County, so she'd have to do worse than that in the rest of the state to stay under 30%. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:17:49 PM I knew it, the Clinton campaign has already spun that "he was expected to win there by large margins, he spent more money in these places than us...so we dont care."
in other words...you lost big and you couldnt afford to campaign there. Interesting.... Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:18:09 PM Washington with 70.3% reporting, 67.2% for Obama and 31.6% for Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:18:48 PM I knew it, the Clinton campaign has already spun that "he was expected to win there by large margins, he spent more money in these places than us...so we dont care." in other words...you lost big and you couldnt afford to campaign there. Interesting.... Considering the number of robocalls Alcon got I would say she campaigned there enough. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Bacon King on February 09, 2008, 09:19:15 PM By the way, everyone, don't pay attention to the LA results yet. Romney at 24% means that what we're seeing now are all absentees or something.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:19:48 PM Also Edwards at 15% (though he will probably do better than usual, like 2-3%).
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:20:30 PM It's just a few precincts so far. Less than 1%.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 09:21:56 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:22:29 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont? She'd have to be shut out tomorrow, too. But I think it will look interesting. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 09:22:57 PM Romney at 24% ROMNEY WILL NOT GO DOWN SO EASILY Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 09:24:23 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont? She'd have to be shut out tomorrow, too. But I think it will look interesting. Well, Maine is sooooooooooo tiny by itself that it doesn't really matter a whole lot. (Don't tell that to the residents of Maine). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:24:36 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont? She'd have to be shut out tomorrow, too. But I think it will look interesting. It partially depends on how well she spins things with the expectations game, but it would mean a serious loss of momentum. Superdelegates would possibly refrain from endorsing her, and it would cut into her leads in Texas and Ohio due to the momentum being on Obama's side. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 09:25:13 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont? That is what Obama needs to stand a chance in those states Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on February 09, 2008, 09:27:20 PM What will be the impacts if Clinton gets shut out tonight (very likely), gets shut out Tuesday (likely), and gets shut out on February 19? How will that affect the March 4 states of Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Vermont? I don't know. Obama was expected to win these caucuses. He, like Romney, does very well in them. He hasn't won a state that he wasn't supposed to win. He'll win Vermont easily, but I still think Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island will go to Hillary, though closer than expected. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:28:29 PM CNN has "updated" their exit polls. Obama 52.6 to Clinton 44.8 if you do the math.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 09:29:02 PM CNN has "updated" their exit polls. Obama 52.6 to Clinton 44.8 if you do the math. That's exactly what they had before (only more specific). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:31:21 PM MSNBC looks to have their own exit poll for LA out now:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225983/ Gender % Total Clinton Obama Male 40 43 52 Female 60 46 53 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:31:44 PM MSNBC looks to have their own exit poll for LA out now: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225983/ Gender % Total Clinton Obama Male 40 43 52 Female 60 46 53 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:33:37 PM The delegate race, so far:
Washington: Obama 14 Clinton 05 Outstanding 59 Nebraska: Obama 15 Clinton 07 Outstanding 02 Louisiana: Obama 00 Clinton 00 Outstanding 56 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:34:22 PM CNN has "updated" their exit polls. Obama 52.6 to Clinton 44.8 if you do the math. That's exactly what they had before (only more specific). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 09:34:54 PM The delegate race, so far: Washington: Obama 14 Clinton 05 Outstanding 59 Nebraska: Obama 15 Clinton 07 Outstanding 02 Louisiana: Obama 00 Clinton 03 Outstanding 56 CNN's total delegate count is: Clinton 1075 -- Obama 991 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:36:49 PM Update on Washington - 74.5% reporting, 67.2% Obama, 31.5% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:38:44 PM Louisiana with 1% reporting, Obama 44% and Clinton 40%
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 09:40:09 PM Louisiana with 1% reporting, Obama 44% and Clinton 40% 2% reporting -- Obama 49%, Clinton 37% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 09:40:56 PM Eww, Douglas County.
Coulee Damn. :( Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:42:42 PM Louisiana with 1% reporting, Obama 44% and Clinton 40% 2% reporting -- Obama 49%, Clinton 37% 4% - 51% Obama, 37% Clinton Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:43:32 PM I dont get some people. There should be no excuse as to why Clinton have not had run succesful campaigns in these states...and all she has on the subject is "well he was expected to win anyways, and he spent too much money in these states too." If she wants to focus on other states, then she shouldnt b!tch about states she lost that she apparently "knew" she was going to lose...then spin it like tonight is her night. I honestly hope people dont buy into that crap...its childish.
plus, it just shows her financing problems are becoming more apparent as the days progress. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:44:05 PM DAMN YOU DOUGLAS COUNTY!!
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: TomC on February 09, 2008, 09:44:44 PM Any idea about early voting in La.? How long it went on before?
I suspect Edwards will get a decent % for someone not in the race; he began and ended his race there. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: frihetsivrare on February 09, 2008, 09:46:23 PM DAMN YOU DOUGLAS COUNTY!! At least Douglas County has a small number of people, about 32000. It is better than Clinton winning King County. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:47:14 PM DAMN YOU DOUGLAS COUNTY!! At least Douglas County has a small number of people, about 32000. It is better than Clinton winning King County. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:47:50 PM DAMN YOU DOUGLAS COUNTY!! Worry not, I will personally have Douglas County fenced off and used as a lawless, free-range prison for criminals and political dissidents once I successfully take over this pathetic ball of dirt. Of course, I'll try to remember to remove those who voted for Obama before I wall the county off. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: War on Want on February 09, 2008, 09:49:12 PM Any idea about early voting in La.? How long it went on before? I suspect Edwards will get a decent % for someone not in the race; he began and ended his race there. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 09:49:26 PM Some interesting patterns in the parish results out so far, though Louisiana morphing into Lyonesse makes it hard to tell which are important and which aren't. Oh well.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:49:41 PM Washington with 79.3% in, 72.35% for Obama and 31.5% for Clinton
Louisiana with 7% in, 54% Obama and 35% Clinton Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 09:50:39 PM This is looking like a potentially lengthy night in Louisiana.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 09:50:50 PM Louisiana with 7% in, 54% Obama and 35% Clinton 10%, 52%, 38% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Speed of Sound on February 09, 2008, 09:52:24 PM Louisiana with 7% in, 54% Obama and 35% Clinton 10%, 52%, 38% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:52:44 PM To those who don't understand what Al is talking about (me :P), here:
Quote The legend of a sunken kingdom appears in both Cornish and Breton mythology. In Christian times it came to be viewed as a sort of Cornish Sodom and Gomorrah, an example of divine wrath provoked by unvirtuous living, although the parallels were limited in that Lyonesse remained in Cornish thought very much a mystical and mythical land, comparable to the role of Tir na nÓg in Irish mythology. Obama's doing well so far (better than exit polls would suggest), and I expect that he wins NOLA by quite a bit. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:53:12 PM Well, looks like we're going to have two states with 2-1 margins of victory for Obama and another which looks like Obama will win but we don't know the margin yet.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 09:54:58 PM Louisiana with 7% in, 54% Obama and 35% Clinton 10%, 52%, 38% 16, 54, 37 The numbers will bounce around for a while, partially due to the ugly nature of the vote-split. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 09:55:11 PM Problems counting the vote in Orleans parish, apparently.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: TomC on February 09, 2008, 09:56:33 PM The numbers will bounce around for a while, partially due to the ugly nature of the vote-split. Numbers are numbers; they only become ugly when people spin them as such. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 09:58:41 PM Washington with 86.7% in, 67.63% Obama and 31.1% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Saxwsylvania on February 09, 2008, 09:59:15 PM The numbers will bounce around for a while, partially due to the ugly nature of the vote-split. Numbers are numbers; they only become ugly when people spin them as such. what the .. . what does this mean?? what are you talking about??? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 09:59:36 PM Washington with 86.7% in, 67.63% Obama and 31.1% Clinton argh, where is Thurston county I want to see how my county performed (should be slighlty more for Obama than the rest of the state). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 09:59:46 PM Washington with 86.7% in, 67.63% Obama and 31.1% Clinton 70% GOGOGO! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:00:01 PM Louisiana 18% reporting, 53% Obama to 37% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:00:57 PM 24, 52, 39
A bit of Baton Rouge just came in Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:02:08 PM 24, 52, 39 A bit of Baton Rouge just came in Yes, but only a tiny bit. Fool. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:04:34 PM A quick scan (which be bver wrog as I', tired at the oment and need to sleep) shows more votes counted so far in rural parishs with large black populations than in the whiter ones.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 10:05:06 PM A quick scan (which be bver wrog as I', tired at the oment and need to sleep) shows more votes counted so far in rural parishs with large black populations than in the whiter ones. FWIW, there will be more Democratic voters in blacker rural parishes, too. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 10:05:17 PM Nora calls Louisiana for Obama
Oh Nora you are so beautiful. Your beauty transcends poltiics. Your ravishing demeanor is what made my night - not Obama's victories Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:05:47 PM An Impressive night for Obama. Huzzah!
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:05:50 PM LA w/ 28% in, 52% Obama and 39% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 10:05:58 PM Why is there only one vote in Garfield county? Does it only get one delegate to the county convention or something (and in that case what a roudy convention that would be.)
then again it is 100% Obama so I guess I am fine with that. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 10:06:20 PM Why is there only one vote in Garfield county? Does it only get one delegate to the county convention or something (and in that case what a roudy convention that would be.) then again it is 100% Obama so I guess I am fine with that. I think they may have omitted a zero. They have ten delegates. Judging on its neighbor Columbia, 10-0 is not out of the realm of possibility. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 09, 2008, 10:07:15 PM Ha Jesus, remember when you bet your precinct would be stronger for Obama than mine? Yes!! :'( :'( It only had 16 people so it's a pretty small sample... Was yours the entire caucus location or just your single precinct? Anyway, I don't really remember the split that well, hold on... We had: 14 whites: 11 Obama, 3 Clinton 2 blacks: 1 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 men: 7 Obama, 1 Clinton 8 women: 5 Obama, 3 Clinton Anyway, I was the tally clerk. I got to count the votes, haha. So 20-0 Obama, right? Haha. :) It was just my precinct. But you didn't have to actually attend the caucus to vote at it, you could just vote and leave. So the Obama campaign brought in hordes of college kids who only voted for Obama and left. Hence the FAR higher turnout and margins for Obama. I was just at an emo show (GREAT show), so checking this out made my night. In about an hour I'll be driving off to ANOTHER show at the same place but I'm glad I got here in time. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:07:39 PM A quick scan (which be bver wrog as I', tired at the oment and need to sleep) shows more votes counted so far in rural parishs with large black populations than in the whiter ones. FWIW, there will be more Democratic voters in blacker rural parishes, too. I meant precincts counted (or reporting or whatever). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 09, 2008, 10:07:55 PM Haven't read through the whole thread, so maybe this has already been mentioned, but Chuck Todd on MSNBC just said it was looking like Obama would win the Virgin Islands.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 10:08:13 PM Louisiana called for Obama.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 10:08:46 PM Quote I don't know. Obama was expected to win these caucuses. He, like Romney, does very well in them. He hasn't won a state that he wasn't supposed to win. He'll win Vermont easily, but I still think Texas, Ohio, and Rhode Island will go to Hillary, though closer than expected. Obama wasn't supposed to win DE, CT, or MO. He won all three. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:08:57 PM Wolf Blitzer also said that he won the Virgin Islands.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:09:55 PM Washington 87.8% in, 67.35% Obama and 31.4% Clinton
Louisiana 32% in, 53% MObama to 39% Billary ;) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 10:10:36 PM Hillary Clinton gets shut out tonight!!!
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 10:11:37 PM Yea, Obama won the USVI
Garfield County has like 1200 people in total, so I wouldn't be surprised if only a couple dozen or so people caucused there. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 09, 2008, 10:11:49 PM Wolf Blitzer also said that he won the Virgin Islands. Demographically that's no shocker. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:12:26 PM What I have to wonder is how exactly Hillary is going to be able to spin three losses tonight, two of them with her losing by over 30%.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: they don't love you like i love you on February 09, 2008, 10:13:23 PM She started pre-spin earlier today before the voting even happened.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 10:13:33 PM HUGE NIGHT FOR OBAMA!!!!!
I wonder how the Hillary!ites will spin this one. Obama even won the USVI where Hillary!ites were saying Hillary! would win. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:13:49 PM LA w/ 34% in, 53% Obama and 38% Clinton
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:14:21 PM What I have to wonder is how exactly Hillary is going to be able to spin three losses tonight, two of them with her losing by over 30%. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:14:46 PM She started pre-spin earlier today before the voting even happened. Pre-spin won't do much - I doubt her spin before the results took into account a beating this bad. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 10:14:58 PM HUGE NIGHT FOR OBAMA!!!!! I wonder how the Hillary!ites will spin this one. Obama even won the USVI where Hillary!ites were saying Hillary! would win. Not even vaguely educated ones. Maybe they were looking at American Samoa or something, but you are aware of what the racial make-up of the Virgin Islands is, right? Also, stop saying Hillary!. Really. Please. I'm an Obama delegate and you're even annoying the piss out of me. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:15:26 PM Some of the parish results really do look odd. Assumption parish for one.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:15:50 PM LA w/ 34% in, 53% Obama and 38% Clinton 36% now, same percentages Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 10:16:07 PM Some of the parish results really do look odd. Assumption parish for one. Isn't that the weird machine county? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 10:16:12 PM Since 37 delegates in Louisiana are allocated by CD's, and 19 proportionally based on the statewide vote, Clinton will carry a majority of the CD's (probably all but 2 or 3 of them) but with the CD delegates allocated based on the last governor election, it looks like the delegates will be about evenly split.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Daniel Adams on February 09, 2008, 10:16:53 PM The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7297237) is saying Obama won the Virgin Islands with almost 90% of the vote. Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:17:08 PM Obama won 26% of the white vote in Louisiana, bigger than South Carolina [but not by much really].
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:17:20 PM Some of the parish results really do look odd. Assumption parish for one. Isn't that the weird machine county? That statement applies for all of Lyonesse :P But I think you're thinking of Plaquemines. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 10:17:24 PM Since 37 delegates in Louisiana are allocated by CD's, and 19 proportionally based on the statewide vote, Clinton will carry a majority of the CD's (probably all but 2 or 3 of them) but with the CD delegates allocated based on the last governor election, it looks like the delegates will be about evenly split. How are they measuring the last gubernatorial election? By a sum of the vote of all of the Democratic candidates? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ottermax on February 09, 2008, 10:18:07 PM What might have happened in Garfield county is this:
Some precincts only have 1 delegate. Today one precinct had one voter, and one delegate, but the voter didn't want to bother with the process, so that delegate basically disappeared (these are precinct level delegates, not national ones). If there weren't any voters, or the voters were too lazy to select delegates, it is possible that heavily Republican, and sparsely populated Garfield just had 1 delegate. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:18:14 PM Kaine is about to introduce Obama :)
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:18:27 PM Washington 94.4% in, 67.41% Obama and 31.3% Clinton
Louisiana 38% in, 53% Obama to 39% Clinton Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:19:54 PM Kaine is about to introduce Obama :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:20:51 PM Louisiana 38% in, 53% Obama to 39% Clinton 40%, 53% to 38% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 10:20:53 PM Clinton had better hope she wins Maine tomorrow. Seven straight losses may be too much to bear.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 10:22:05 PM Some of the parish results really do look odd. Assumption parish for one. Isn't that the weird machine county? That statement applies for all of Lyonesse :P But I think you're thinking of Plaquemines. Either the blacks showed up, or the Cajuns there like Obama more than I thought. :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:22:27 PM Louisiana 38% in, 53% Obama to 39% Clinton 40%, 53% to 38% 44%, 54% to 38% Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:23:06 PM Obama winning New Orleans huge, about 3 to 1.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 10:23:58 PM Garfield had 10 delegates in 2004. I think there may have been a typo--perhaps someone meant to type in 10, but forgot the 0?
Anyway, great night for Obama! And Douglas County needs to be kicked out of Washington. In addition to Garfield, Clinton was thoroughly raped in Columbia, Whitman, Okanogan, and San Juan counties (all under 20% Clinton). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:24:10 PM Clinton had better hope she wins Maine tomorrow. Seven straight losses may be too much to bear. Whats her chances there? Are there any polls out from Maine? Accordng to MSNBC, Obama drew a crowd of 7,000 in Bangor when he visited Maine and only Bill Clinton has visited the state for Clinton. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on February 09, 2008, 10:24:18 PM Clinton had better hope she wins Maine tomorrow. Seven straight losses may be too much to bear. I have to agree - Clinton has to get a Feb win - she can't wait and hope that momentum somehow decreases for Obama - Ohio is still in her camp, but it's not solid. Texas is a different matter, but if the only win she gets in the next month is Texas... she's in serious trouble. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 10:24:25 PM The Delegate Count is shrinking AND Obama has crossed 1,000.
CNN's count: Clinton 1083 -- Obama 1009 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 10:24:50 PM Quote Also, stop saying Hillary!. Really. Please. I'm an Obama delegate and you're even annoying the piss out of me. She puts that on her campaign signs. It is annoying. Just like she is. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:25:13 PM Obama winning New Orleans huge, about 3 to 1. Only 9% in though. Is there any way of telling which parts of any parish have been counted? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:25:23 PM The Delegate Count is shrinking AND Obama has crossed 1,000. CNN's count: Clinton 1083 -- Obama 1009 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 10:25:35 PM Quote Also, stop saying Hillary!. Really. Please. I'm an Obama delegate and you're even annoying the piss out of me. She puts that on her campaign signs. It is annoying. Just like she is. And you'd think that I want to read campaign signs when I come here why--? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 10:26:29 PM Quote Also, stop saying Hillary!. Really. Please. I'm an Obama delegate and you're even annoying the piss out of me. She puts that on her campaign signs. It is annoying. Just like she is. Coincidentally, YOU are just like her. Annoying. Stop it or I'll shove this towel down your throat Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:26:40 PM Louisiana 38% in, 53% Obama to 39% Clinton 40%, 53% to 38% 44%, 54% to 38% 48%, 53% to 38% I'm going to stop reporting on LA for a while unless I see a real change in the percentages. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2008, 10:26:47 PM Had Obama done this well on Super Tuesday, the nomination would be secured.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:27:05 PM Don't feed the troll people...
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:27:27 PM I like how Louisiana was called before New Mexico.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 09, 2008, 10:29:29 PM A lot of the urban/suburban parts of Lyonesse aren't in yet. This is irritating. But as the result won't change (excepting gross fraud or something) I might as well look at things in the morning after I've attempted to get some sleep.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 10:30:17 PM I like how Louisiana was called before New Mexico. Thankfully, NM has to be called by Friday, February 15. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:30:58 PM Barack Obama: "I want to hang on to his [Warner's] coat-tails here in Virginia."
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Thomas Jackson on February 09, 2008, 10:31:11 PM Quote And you'd think that I want to read campaign signs when I come here why--? It's meant to accent how incredibly annoying she is. I'm not the only one on the internet to refer to her that way. I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm trying to demonstrate how her demeanor turns off a large portion of the electorate. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 10:32:05 PM I like how Louisiana was called before New Mexico. Thankfully, NM has to be called by Friday, February 15. Trust me, it won't be called before then. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:37:00 PM Obama is getting paid millions everytime "Yes We Can" is said or being chanted.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 09, 2008, 10:38:31 PM "You wanna be related to somebody cool!"
LOL, hahahahahahaha. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:39:55 PM Obama: "The name of my cousin Dick Cheney won't be on the ballot [next November]. [cheers and applause] That was pretty embarrassing when that came out. [cheers and applause] When they do these genealogical surveys, you want to be related to somebody cool."
I love this guy. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Saxwsylvania on February 09, 2008, 10:41:22 PM Obama is getting paid millions everytime "Yes We Can" is said or being chanted. Creepy. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 10:42:18 PM Obama: "The name of my cousin Dick Cheney won't be on the ballot [next November]. [cheers and applause] That was pretty embarrassing when that came out. [cheers and applause] When they do these genealogical surveys, you want to be related to somebody cool." I love this guy. What are you watching him on? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 09, 2008, 10:43:08 PM Obama: "The name of my cousin Dick Cheney won't be on the ballot [next November]. [cheers and applause] That was pretty embarrassing when that came out. [cheers and applause] When they do these genealogical surveys, you want to be related to somebody cool." I love this guy. What are you watching him on? CNN Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:43:23 PM CNN, though there's a live stream here:
http://mydd.com/story/2008/2/9/20624/72210 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 10:43:57 PM Obama is getting paid millions everytime "Yes We Can" is said or being chanted. Creepy. I guess...? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 09, 2008, 10:44:06 PM Obama: "The name of my cousin Dick Cheney won't be on the ballot [next November]. [cheers and applause] That was pretty embarrassing when that came out. [cheers and applause] When they do these genealogical surveys, you want to be related to somebody cool." I love this guy. Haha! :D Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:54:35 PM Barack Obama: "It's true I talk about hope a lot. I have to: the odds of me being here aren't very high."
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 10:55:34 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2008, 10:56:48 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? And not nearly as good as his SC speech. He seems to be saying, "Vote for me and hope." Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 10:58:32 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: J. J. on February 09, 2008, 10:59:43 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? No details. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 10:59:56 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? That's beef? Let's make everything affordable. Let's make mistresses affordable come to think of it. Rudy would like that program. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:00:17 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? He talked about college, healthcare, the environment, jobs...and other things. People just dont like to listen sadly. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:00:31 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Saxwsylvania on February 09, 2008, 11:00:39 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? "We need to bring health care to all Americans . . . we need to improve the quality of life in this country . . . we need to make college more affordable!" Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:01:49 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Saxwsylvania on February 09, 2008, 11:02:33 PM Obama is an excellent cult leader.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 11:03:34 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I couldn't tell if he was for making it mandatory for all those going to college or only for those wanting the extra money from the government for college though. I'm hoping it's the latter, as I'm not a fan of the idea of mandatory service. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 11:03:39 PM Yeah and McCain's speeches (which are dull as hell) are really specific? Give me a break. No candidate does that on speeches like this.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:03:52 PM Delegates Tonight:
Washington: Obama 35 Clinton 14 Undecided 29 Nebraska: Obama 16 Clinton 17 Undecided 01 Louisiana: Obama 23 Clinton 15 Undecided 18 Virgin Islands: Obama 03 Clinton 00 Undecided 00 Total: Obama 77 Clinton 46 Undecided 48 OBAMA +31 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:04:01 PM "He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition."
Well that is more specific. How much will that cost? Public service for a year will cost what, and then free tuition will cost what? And how is it paid for? In fact, how much is Obama going to cost in toto, if he gets all he wants in toto? Just asking? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:04:58 PM Yeah and McCain's speeches (which are dull as hell) are really specific? Give me a break. No candidate does that on speeches like this. McCain is not promising me free mistresses. In fact, he is promising sacrifice. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 09, 2008, 11:05:00 PM "He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition." Well that is more specific. How much will that cost? Public service for a year will cost what, and then free tuition will cost what? And how is it paid for? In fact, how much is Obama going to cost in toto, if he gets all he wants in toto? Just asking? You expect that in a stump speech? I think you're just looking for excuses to attack Obama. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 09, 2008, 11:05:32 PM "He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition." Well that is more specific. How much will that cost? Public service for a year will cost what, and then free tuition will cost what? And how is it paid for? In fact, how much is Obama going to cost in toto, if he gets all he wants in toto? Just asking? Is there anything on his web site about it? I don't care much for vagueness in speeches, but damn, if he were to answer that in a stump speech...seriously. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:05:45 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I don't get the connection. Is that forced public service or what (i.e. slave labor) that will free up government funding, or am I missing something? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: John Dibble on February 09, 2008, 11:06:05 PM Yeah and McCain's speeches (which are dull as hell) are really specific? Give me a break. No candidate does that on speeches like this. McCain is not promising me free mistresses. In fact, he is promising sacrifice. Obama is promising free mistresses? SWEET! :D Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:06:05 PM Obama is an excellent cult leader. Obama is the last person I think of when it comes to cult follows in this campaign [Ron Paul....HONESTLY seriously?] "He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition." Well that is more specific. How much will that cost? Public service for a year will cost what, and then free tuition will cost what? And how is it paid for? In fact, how much is Obama going to cost in toto, if he gets all he wants in toto? Just asking? Its like you do your part for the government, and the government will do their part for you. I think he mentions something like 2000 in tuition fees maybe? I forgot. His plan sounded alot like Edward's plan. I really like it though, its a fair deal honestly. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:06:36 PM "He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition." Well that is more specific. How much will that cost? Public service for a year will cost what, and then free tuition will cost what? And how is it paid for? In fact, how much is Obama going to cost in toto, if he gets all he wants in toto? Just asking? You expect that in a stump speech? I think you're just looking for excuses to attack Obama. I like Obama personally, but I have never heard any beef from him really, other than some tax the rich stuff for his medical insurance program. But now there is so much more to pay for. Maybe we can tax the Saudis or something. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Saxwsylvania on February 09, 2008, 11:07:51 PM Obama is an excellent cult leader. Obama is the last person I think of when it comes to cult follows in this campaign [Ron Paul....HONESTLY seriously?] Okay, Ron Paul is first. But come on . . . the last person you think of? Just look at some of his followers on this forum. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:08:15 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I don't get the connection. Is that forced public service or what (i.e. slave labor) that will free up government funding, or am I missing something? Like military service, or community service or something like that. Its not forced either, you can choose whether you want to go to college or not...its not up to the government to decide that. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:08:22 PM Obama campaign estimates:
Quote Delegate Estimates Obama 103, Clinton 58Louisiana Delegate Projection: Obama 32 – Clinton 24 Nebraska Delegate Projection: Obama 16 – Clinton 8 Washington Delegate Projection: Obama 52 – Clinton 26 Virgin Islands Delegate Projection: Obama 3 – Clinton 0 Obama +45 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: muon2 on February 09, 2008, 11:10:02 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. My 15 year old daughter watched a couple of minutes of the speech. Her unsolicited comment was "That's going to cost a lot." Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:11:08 PM Obama is an excellent cult leader. Obama is the last person I think of when it comes to cult follows in this campaign [Ron Paul....HONESTLY seriously?] Okay, Ron Paul is first. But come on . . . the last person you think of? Just look at some of his followers on this forum. I wouldnt see it as a cult following. Hes just a candidate people can get excited about, I dont think theres been this much excitement about a young candidate since JFK. Ron Paul is different though. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:12:54 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I don't get the connection. Is that forced public service or what (i.e. slave labor) that will free up government funding, or am I missing something? Like military service, or community service or something like that. Its not forced either, you can choose whether you want to go to college or not...its not up to the government to decide that. That really explains nothing, but thanks for trying! My guess is what you are trying to say is that if you go do military service or community service, we (the government) will pay for your education. Of course, the government already does that for the military, so... Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:14:41 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I don't get the connection. Is that forced public service or what (i.e. slave labor) that will free up government funding, or am I missing something? Like military service, or community service or something like that. Its not forced either, you can choose whether you want to go to college or not...its not up to the government to decide that. That really explains nothing, but thanks for trying! My guess is what you are trying to say is that if you go do military service or community service, we (the government) will pay for your education. Of course, the government already does that for the military, so... Its hard to explain, public service to your country. You pick it apart and make a conclusion yourself then. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:16:05 PM Sam, from the Barack Obama website:
Quote Higher Education As someone who just got done filling out the FAFSA and other financial aid forms, the second bullet is particularly awesome.* Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit when tuition is due. * Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid: Obama will streamline the financial aid process by eliminating the current federal financial aid application and enabling families to apply simply by checking a box on their tax form, authorizing their tax information to be used, and eliminating the need for a separate application. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:16:34 PM Quote My 15 year old daughter watched a couple of minutes of the speech. Her unsolicited comment was "That's going to cost a lot." She doesn't sound normal at all. Has she seen a therapist? :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 11:16:45 PM It's not the government shelling out money, it's a tax credit. From his website:
Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit when tuition is due. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:17:26 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. He spoke about a year in public service would allow the government to fund for college tuition. I don't get the connection. Is that forced public service or what (i.e. slave labor) that will free up government funding, or am I missing something? Like military service, or community service or something like that. Its not forced either, you can choose whether you want to go to college or not...its not up to the government to decide that. That really explains nothing, but thanks for trying! My guess is what you are trying to say is that if you go do military service or community service, we (the government) will pay for your education. Of course, the government already does that for the military, so... Its hard to explain, public service to your country. You pick it apart and make a conclusion yourself then. It's hard to explain because it makes little sense. NTTAWTT Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:18:36 PM Quote It's not the government shelling out money, it's a tax credit. From his website: Well that's a relief that the check will be sent out by the IRS rather than Health and Human services. I know it is naughty for a right winger type (relatively speaking) to disturb this victory party. Sorry. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:21:19 PM Higher Education * Create the American Opportunity Tax Credit: Obama will make college affordable for all Americans by creating a new American Opportunity Tax Credit. This universal and fully refundable credit will ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for most Americans, and will cover two-thirds the cost of tuition at the average public college or university and make community college tuition completely free for most students. Obama will also ensure that the tax credit is available to families at the time of enrollment by using prior year's tax data to deliver the credit when tuition is due. Still costs money - I'm not going to do the math right now. Probably will drive the quality of a college education down even further from where it already is, increasing the necessity of the graduate degree (which in many ways is already a necessity), but that's that. Quote * Simplify the Application Process for Financial Aid: Obama will streamline the financial aid process by eliminating the current federal financial aid application and enabling families to apply simply by checking a box on their tax form, authorizing their tax information to be used, and eliminating the need for a separate application. I have no problem with this, at all. I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 11:26:21 PM wow this is the EXACT same speech he gave at Key Arena (he even had the Dick Cheney relation joke), maybe he was just testing it on us before he used it for what amounts as his victory speech to be broadcast nationally. Personally I don't mind, it was a good speech and he did localize each of them.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 11:26:58 PM I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Again, from the website: Quote Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Speed of Sound on February 09, 2008, 11:29:18 PM Looks like your patience has been rewarded, Sam. :)
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:31:21 PM I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Again, from the website: Quote Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. So, in other words, the government is bribing college kids to do public service. Ok. Thanks. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 11:32:53 PM I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Again, from the website: Quote Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. So, in other words, the government is bribing college kids to do public service. Ok. Thanks. They're investing in their education if they invest in their community. It's a pretty simple and fair concept. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 11:34:17 PM I am listening to Obama. Does Obama ever say anything other than generalities? Where's the beef? How? Well, I guess through giving away more money, but the specifics of the giving away of money would be nice. My 15 year old daughter watched a couple of minutes of the speech. Her unsolicited comment was "That's going to cost a lot." It IS going to cost. I'm not sure how much though - I need to look more into that. Regardless, it isn't as if your party has any credibility on fiscal responsibility. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:38:14 PM I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Again, from the website: Quote Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. So, in other words, the government is bribing college kids to do public service. Ok. Thanks. They're investing in their education if they invest in their community. It's a pretty simple and fair concept. Your language sounds more "eloquent" and lest I say more "hopeful". But it is still the government bribing kids to do community service. But look, if it makes you feel better, your line definitely sounds much better than mine. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:39:03 PM Edwards (about 4%) and Biden (2%) are doing surprisingly well.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 09, 2008, 11:40:02 PM I am still asking about the public service for government money thingy, but that's ok. I'm patient. Again, from the website: Quote Require 100 Hours of Service in College: Obama will establish a new American Opportunity Tax Credit that worth $4,000 a year in exchange for 100 hours of public service a year. So, in other words, the government is bribing college kids to do public service. Ok. Thanks. They're investing in their education if they invest in their community. It's a pretty simple and fair concept. Your language sounds more "eloquent" and lest I say more "hopeful". But it is still the government bribing kids to do community service. But look, if it makes you feel better, your line definitely sounds much better than mine. "Bribing to do community service" makes it sound like the goal is community service when that isn't the goal. The goal is kids affording to go college, and in exchange they need to do community service. You're making the emphasis of the plan backwards. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:41:21 PM Edwards (about 4%) and Biden (2%) are doing surprisingly well. That's the "I'm not voting for a black or a woman" vote. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 11:42:21 PM "But it costs money!" seems to be a big complaint. Uh, Hello! Everything costs money.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:43:07 PM Also surprising is that Clinton is doing worse than exit polls forecasted, while Obama is doing better. In a deep Southern state like Louisiana, I would have expected the opposite.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 09, 2008, 11:43:22 PM Alright, I've hijacked the thread enough so far. We can discuss this at some later time or on other thread.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 09, 2008, 11:44:03 PM Obama has widened his lead in LA: 56% to 37% with 90% in....he did better than expected ja
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: frihetsivrare on February 09, 2008, 11:44:54 PM DAMN YOU DOUGLAS COUNTY!! At least Douglas County has a small number of people, about 32000. It is better than Clinton winning King County. Yes, if Clinton had to win one, it would be best if she won Columbia, Wahkiakum or Garfield County, the smallest counties and far from the middle of the state. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 11:45:09 PM "But it costs money!" seems to be a big complaint. Uh, Hello! Everything costs money. But the Republican Party is the party of fiscal responsibility! Considering this current administration, they definitely have the credibility to whine about things costing money m i rite? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 09, 2008, 11:45:18 PM Alright, I've hijacked the thread enough so far. We can discuss this at some later time or on other thread. Actually I started it. :) Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 11:46:23 PM I was just on Mydd. I can't believe how they have turned into such a pro-clinton site. It's been taken over.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:46:57 PM Yeah, MyDD is ridiculous at this point. It's unreadable, which is sad, because it used to be a very good blog.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 09, 2008, 11:49:21 PM link to MyDD plz
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 09, 2008, 11:49:50 PM "But it costs money!" seems to be a big complaint. Uh, Hello! Everything costs money. But the Republican Party is the party of fiscal responsibility! Considering this current administration, they definitely have the credibility to whine about things costing money m i rite? Oh, your so right. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 09, 2008, 11:52:43 PM so all that is left to count in Louisiana is New Orleans, Baton Rouge, and Shreveport. All are at 30-50 % margin of victory for Obama. So my guess is that he finishes 22% above Clinton.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 09, 2008, 11:58:10 PM Much higher margin that I expected, and much higher that the exit polls predicted.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: MarkWarner08 on February 10, 2008, 12:00:43 AM link to MyDD plz There you'll learn about how Hillary will pass universal health care, end the War in Iraq, eliminate the deficit, and end sexism in America. You'll also discover Obama's conservative record, his support for FREE MARKET economics, and why he's the most corrupt politician since Huey Long. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 10, 2008, 12:01:52 AM link to MyDD plz There you'll learn about how Hillary will pass universal health care, end the War in Iraq, eliminate the deficit, and end sexism in America. You'll also discover Obama's conservative record, his support for FREE MARKET economics (gasp!), and why he's the most corrupt politician since Huey Long. sounds like fun Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: bgwah on February 10, 2008, 12:02:03 AM Washington map-Obama in green and Clinton in red
() The overall map looks like the Obama map except Douglas. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: MarkWarner08 on February 10, 2008, 12:03:52 AM link to MyDD plz There you'll learn about how Hillary will pass universal health care, end the War in Iraq, eliminate the deficit, and end sexism in America. You'll also discover Obama's conservative record, his support for FREE MARKET economics (gasp!), and why he's the most corrupt politician since Huey Long. sounds like fun Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 12:05:52 AM Interestingly enough, the Obama campaign's "leaked" projections showed him picking up fewer delegates and fewer votes than we actually saw today.
() Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:10:16 AM My guess is that the Clinton campaign can't be happy. I'd guess they lost a net 10 delegates today more than they thought they'd lose. I even heard CNN say it was far more lopsided than most thought it would be. When the Clinton News Network concedes it was a blowout, you know it was a brutal night.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Speed of Sound on February 10, 2008, 12:11:16 AM Thats not whats interesting about it. Notice the difference between Hillary and Barack in this projection: 26 delegates. How many delegates does John Edwards have again?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 10, 2008, 12:13:33 AM Thats not whats interesting about it. Notice the difference between Hillary and Barack in this projection: 26 delegates. How many delegates does John Edwards have again? Now THAT would be hillarious. The superdelegates would have to split evenly as well of course Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:18:20 AM There projections down the road look very reasonable except I'm not sure they can come quite as close as the 5 pt, losses they are projecting in the big states of Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. If they DO manage to run that well in those states, Obama could just pull this off.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 12:19:01 AM Delegates (with Obama campaign's "leaked" predictions in parentheses):
Washington: Obama 52 (49) Clinton 26 (29) Undecided 00 Nebraska: Obama 16 (15) Clinton 08 (09) Undecided 00 Louisiana: Obama 23 (31) Clinton 15 (25) Undecided 18 Virgin Islands: Obama 03 (02) Clinton 00 (01) Undecided 00 Total: Obama 91 (97) Clinton 49 (64) Undecided 18 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: CultureKing on February 10, 2008, 12:20:48 AM There projections down the road look very reasonable except I'm not sure they can come quite as close as the 5 pt, losses they are projecting in the big states of Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. If they DO manage to run that well in those states, Obama could just pull this off. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:22:08 AM Funny how they underprojected their Louisiana vote yet greatly overestimated their Louisiana delegate haul. That's way weird.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 12:24:05 AM Funny how they underprojected their Louisiana vote yet greatly overestimated their Louisiana delegate haul. That's way weird. There projections down the road look very reasonable except I'm not sure they can come quite as close as the 5 pt, losses they are projecting in the big states of Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania. If they DO manage to run that well in those states, Obama could just pull this off. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:24:47 AM I didn't notice their Potomac projections. Absolutely right, they should exceed their projections in those three primaries easily. However, they may be a bit optimistic in Wisconsin and maybe NC.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:26:04 AM Im more worried about Maine tomorrow than the Potomic Primaries really. Commenators on MSNBC said that Hillary might just skip Virginia, Maryland, and DC and just head straight to Texas within the next week. Good idea?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 12:26:50 AM No, not at all. They're looking more and more like the Giuliani campaign: not paying their staff, skipping primaries that look bad for them to focus on "big states"... not good.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:28:03 AM Obama's one ace in the hole in Texas is that 35 or 40 % of the delegates are chosen in a night caucus the day of the election. If he can organize well.....
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 12:31:23 AM Obama's one ace in the hole in Texas is that 35 or 40 % of the delegates are chosen in a night caucus the day of the election. If he can organize well..... Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:31:54 AM Obama's one ace in the hole in Texas is that 35 or 40 % of the delegates are chosen in a night caucus the day of the election. If he can organize well..... If [somehow] Obama wins Maine, Maryland, Virginia, and DC along with his 4 wins tonight[knock on wood]....I think hes got HUGE momentum on his side that could go to his advantage in Texas and Ohio...thats just me though. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Aizen on February 10, 2008, 12:33:13 AM Obama's one ace in the hole in Texas is that 35 or 40 % of the delegates are chosen in a night caucus the day of the election. If he can organize well..... If [somehow] Obama wins Maine, Maryland, Virginia, and DC along with his 4 wins tonight[knock on wood]....I think hes got HUGE momentum on his side that could go to his advantage in Texas and Ohio...thats just me though. Well, you'd be correct Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:36:37 AM Wolf Blitzer seems so dissapointed when he called the states for Obama tonight :P
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on February 10, 2008, 12:38:24 AM Anyway, Nebraska is 69-31 for Obama with 73% in. Washington is 67-32 for Obama with 35% in. Louisiana polls close in about half an hour. Sheesh, I knew Hillary was going to lose those but I didn't expect a raping that bad. I think the Clinton campaign is going to call for you to temporarily banned, apoligize twice, be permantly banned, and then will boycott this entire site. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:39:15 AM Yeah, I thought Wolf was going to cry.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Speed of Sound on February 10, 2008, 12:42:05 AM Ummmm...did anyone else see the numbers CNN just put up? It had Clinton leading pledged delegates! ROFL
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: agcatter on February 10, 2008, 12:42:45 AM Texas is an open primary. There will be some Republicans (along with some independents)who will cross over and vote for Obama if they think this will help put a fork in the Clintons. Why not. There's no race left on the GOP side.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:45:01 AM The Obama Campaign just released a statement about fundraising, and how they are already getting close to 400,000 donars for the month of February. Also, that they obviously outpreformed the Clinton Campaign in fundraising in the month of January and February.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:50:56 AM Oh, and Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch has endorsed Obama.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Meeker on February 10, 2008, 12:57:50 AM Oh, and Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch has endorsed Obama. Well that's that then. Clinton should just drop out really. Game over, Obama wins. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 12:58:48 AM Oh, and Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch has endorsed Obama. Well that's that then. Clinton should just drop out really. Game over, Obama wins. Sarcasm? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 10, 2008, 12:59:57 AM Oh, and Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch has endorsed Obama. Well that's that then. Clinton should just drop out really. Game over, Obama wins. Sarcasm? That much should be obvious. :P Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: TheresNoMoney on February 10, 2008, 01:00:04 AM Well that's that then. Clinton should just drop out really. Game over, Obama wins. Nice one! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 01:01:30 AM Oh, and Rhode Island Attorney General Patrick Lynch has endorsed Obama. Well that's that then. Clinton should just drop out really. Game over, Obama wins. Sarcasm? That much should be obvious. :P Hm, I must be really out of the loop then. *researches* Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Eraserhead on February 10, 2008, 01:14:26 AM I was out all night. What did the initial exit polls show in LA?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 10, 2008, 01:15:57 AM Obama 52.6 to Clinton 44.8, so they under-estimated Obama's margin by like 12 points.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: jimrtex on February 10, 2008, 03:59:17 AM CNN.com only has the Washinton primary listed as being on Feb. 19. I thought there was a caucus today where delegates are actually being given. Am I wrong about this? The national Democratic party does not like this, and has forced the Washington Democratic party to use caucuses to select their delegates. The claim is that they are concerned about Republicans and Greens and Libertarians tainting their primary, but it is really more about being control freaks. In addition, they want to be able to identify Democrat leaning voters so that they can contact them with their GOTV campaign in November, as well as their vote suppression efforts against Republican voters. In an attempt to accomodate the Democrats' concerns, the ballot envelope contains an oath indicating that the voter did not participate in the primary or caucus of any other party (most Washington voters vote by mail). The ballots of those who took the oath will be counted separately from those who did. The Washington Democratic party will ignore the votes in the presidential primary. The Republicans will use the votes in their presidential primary to select 51% of their delegates, with the other 49% based on caucuses. Since most Washington voters vote by mail, many have already voted in the primary. Clallam County reported that over 10% of registered voters had returned their ballots by the first available day. There will be many times over voters participating in the primary as will participate in the caucuses. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Ben. on February 10, 2008, 04:13:06 AM Obama had a pretty policy heavy speech at the JJ... a good move on his part, though the first half was still very much 'boiler-plate' Obama (ie. 'change', 'yes we can' etc...), important that he begins to move beyond platitudes (Clinton gets away with it more easily - Obama wont be able to)... in fact he rounded off the speech very well, hitting the suggestion of being policy light.
All in all subtle shift in his rhetoric tonight, towards the style that would be more at home in a general election campaign. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 04:21:24 AM Obama 52.6 to Clinton 44.8, so they under-estimated Obama's margin by like 12 points. What's interesting is that they overestimated Clinton more than they underestimated Obama. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 04:31:38 AM Ah, some of the odder voting patterns of last night did fix themselves while I was a-sleeping. Methinks that the map looks pretty ugly.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 04:45:41 AM Awwwwwwwww...
() Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: exopolitician on February 10, 2008, 04:46:57 AM Awwwwwwwww... () :D Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 06:17:50 AM In an attempt to accomodate the Democrats' concerns, the ballot envelope contains an oath indicating that the voter did not participate in the primary or caucus of any other party (most Washington voters vote by mail). The ballots of those who took the oath will be counted separately from those who did. ! Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 06:34:16 AM Map of the Lyonesse results:
() Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 06:34:41 AM Guess which county Edwards broke 15% in?
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on February 10, 2008, 08:48:27 AM Clever game by the Obama camp. "Accidentally" release a delegate projection, then outperform it.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 11:56:01 AM Guess which county Edwards broke 15% in? At first, I though St. Bernard, but the Edwards vote wasn't really that high there. After thinking a little more, I got the joke you were making - it was LaSalle Parish, where the county seat is Jena... :P Also, looks like there was a strong "lying about voting for a woman" tendency in the exit polling, not surprising for this area of the country (if my anecdotal observations in East Texas are any measure). The strongest Clinton counties had abnormally high numbers of people (10%-20%) voting for white male candidates - amusing protest vote. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 12:04:59 PM After thinking a little more, I got the joke you were making - it was LaSalle Parish, where the county seat is Jena... :P ;D This is why primaries are great. It also voted 66% for David Duke in the '91 runoff (53% in the first round). Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 12:14:13 PM After thinking a little more, I got the joke you were making - it was LaSalle Parish, where the county seat is Jena... :P ;D This is why primaries are great. It also voted 66% for David Duke in the '91 runoff (53% in the first round). Query: I really haven't had a chance to look through the results in any detail yet. Do you see any improvement for Obama among the groups he'll need to perform well to have a shot in say, Texas (because rural east Texas will count for something)? I would say Ohio, but I know how different the two states are. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 12:24:11 PM After thinking a little more, I got the joke you were making - it was LaSalle Parish, where the county seat is Jena... :P ;D This is why primaries are great. It also voted 66% for David Duke in the '91 runoff (53% in the first round). Query: I really haven't had a chance to look through the results in any detail yet. Do you see any improvement for Obama among the groups he'll need to perform well to have a shot in say, Texas (because rural east Texas will count for something)? I would say Ohio, but I know how different the two states are. Well in Lyonesse's only two lily white parishes (Cameron, Livingstone) he polled 18% and 22% respectively. I'm actually about half way through some maps on this general thing so... Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 12:36:41 PM After thinking a little more, I got the joke you were making - it was LaSalle Parish, where the county seat is Jena... :P ;D This is why primaries are great. It also voted 66% for David Duke in the '91 runoff (53% in the first round). Query: I really haven't had a chance to look through the results in any detail yet. Do you see any improvement for Obama among the groups he'll need to perform well to have a shot in say, Texas (because rural east Texas will count for something)? I would say Ohio, but I know how different the two states are. Well in Lyonesse's only two lily white parishes (Cameron, Livingstone) he polled 18% and 22% respectively. I'm actually about half way through some maps on this general thing so... I get your point - the answer is (almost likely) no. Especially since most of east Texas outside Beaumont/Port Arthur resembles those areas and not the rest of Louisiana. Though I'd be curious to know your thoughts when you're done. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 10, 2008, 01:06:21 PM Texas (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/TX/index.html) is like California in the Dem primary for Obama but maybe worse. Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California, and the Texas Dem primary is largely sans upper middle class Anglos, and probably has more rednecks still voting in it. Unless Hillary collapses, it's all hers.
Ohio (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/OH/index.html) is New Hampshire, but with a 14% black electorate, rather than maybe 3%, and also much lighter on middle to upper middle class Anglos, so clear edge to Clinton, but maybe more in play than Texas. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: J. J. on February 10, 2008, 01:25:33 PM Can you lose the white vote as badly as Obama has and carry enough states to win? Not rhetorical.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 10, 2008, 01:30:19 PM Can you lose the white vote as badly as Obama has and carry enough states to win? Not rhetorical. Obama split the white vote in California. If he does almost as well in Ohio (unlikely), it's his. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 10, 2008, 01:42:05 PM I get your point - the answer is (almost likely) no. Especially since most of east Texas outside Beaumont/Port Arthur resembles those areas and not the rest of Louisiana. Though I'd be curious to know your thoughts when you're done. And here's the map: () Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 01:46:03 PM Texas (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/TX/index.html) is like California in the Dem primary for Obama but maybe worse. Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California, and the Texas Dem primary is largely sans upper middle class Anglos, and probably has more rednecks still voting in it. Unless Hillary collapses, it's all hers. I'll bump up my (still incomplete) analysis on the Texas Senate Districts for your perusal sometime later today. I'll also fill in my anecdotal reports from largely Hispanic (with redneck whites) east Houston that I get second-hand from a strong familial source. In other words, when my father tells me of a Hispanic/redneck white he's met who is supporting Obama, I'll let you know. :P Quote Ohio (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/OH/index.html) is New Hampshire, but with a 14% black electorate, rather than maybe 3%, and also much lighter on middle to upper middle class Anglos, so clear edge to Clinton, but maybe more in play than Texas. So far, the working class white areas that resemble Ohio have not looked very pretty for Obama, even in Illinois (she beat him there). Also, I seem to remember Cleveland having a large ethnic white population that is probably not inclined to vote for blacks. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 01:49:38 PM I get your point - the answer is (almost likely) no. Especially since most of east Texas outside Beaumont/Port Arthur resembles those areas and not the rest of Louisiana. Though I'd be curious to know your thoughts when you're done. And here's the map: () Oh, geez. Ugly. But fascinating. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Torie on February 10, 2008, 01:59:37 PM Texas (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/TX/index.html) is like California in the Dem primary for Obama but maybe worse. Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California, and the Texas Dem primary is largely sans upper middle class Anglos, and probably has more rednecks still voting in it. Unless Hillary collapses, it's all hers. I'll bump up my (still incomplete) analysis on the Texas Senate Districts for your perusal sometime later today. I'll also fill in my anecdotal reports from largely Hispanic (with redneck whites) east Houston that I get second-hand from a strong familial source. In other words, when my father tells me of a Hispanic/redneck white he's met who is supporting Obama, I'll let you know. :P Quote Ohio (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/OH/index.html) is New Hampshire, but with a 14% black electorate, rather than maybe 3%, and also much lighter on middle to upper middle class Anglos, so clear edge to Clinton, but maybe more in play than Texas. So far, the working class white areas that resemble Ohio have not looked very pretty for Obama, even in Illinois (she beat him there). Also, I seem to remember Cleveland having a large ethnic white population that is probably not inclined to vote for blacks. Here (http://www.gopachy.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7899&page=1#Comment_43004) is an article to throw into your pile for contemplation with my comment appended. In Texas you have rural and urban Hispanics, and some rubbing shoulders with blacks, and some not. You have the Rio Grande (rural no blacks), San Antonio (urban very few blacks), and Houston (urban with blacks). Will Obama run the worst with Hispanics in Houston, and the best in San Antonio? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: MarkWarner08 on February 10, 2008, 02:07:07 PM Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California The less acrimonious relationship between these two groups in TX may aid Obama's inroad efforts in the Valley. With support from Pete Gallego and other TX Latinos, Obama could break the 35% threshold in heavily Latino areas. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 02:16:05 PM Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California The less acrimonious relationship between these two groups in TX may aid Obama's inroad efforts in the Valley. With support from Pete Gallego and other TX Latinos, Obama could break the 35% threshold in heavily Latino areas. Does Obama have the support of any other politicians in the border area (much less the rest of Texas) other than Gallego? I don't know of one, off the top of my head. That can often make a difference in that "machine-politic" area of the world. I do agree that the acrimoniousness (word?) will be strongest in Houston/Dallas (yes there are Hispanics in Dallas) and less in other areas. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Flying Dog on February 10, 2008, 02:17:14 PM Well, he just got the support of the Texas Mexican-American Association so...maybe that'll help.
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: MarkWarner08 on February 10, 2008, 02:23:26 PM Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California The less acrimonious relationship between these two groups in TX may aid Obama's inroad efforts in the Valley. With support from Pete Gallego and other TX Latinos, Obama could break the 35% threshold in heavily Latino areas. Does Obama have the support of any other politicians in the border area (much less the rest of Texas) other than Gallego? I don't know of one, off the top of my head. That can often make a difference in that "machine-politic" area of the world. I do agree that the acrimoniousness (word?) will be strongest in Houston/Dallas (yes there are Hispanics in Dallas) and less in other areas. Clinton has Reps. Solomon Ortiz, Silvestre Reyes of El Paso, Henry Cuellar of Laredo, and Rubén Hinojosa of Mercedes. Garry Mauro is also backing Hillary. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Stranger in a strange land on February 10, 2008, 02:23:39 PM Texas (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/TX/index.html) is like California in the Dem primary for Obama but maybe worse. Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California, and the Texas Dem primary is largely sans upper middle class Anglos, and probably has more rednecks still voting in it. Unless Hillary collapses, it's all hers. I'll bump up my (still incomplete) analysis on the Texas Senate Districts for your perusal sometime later today. I'll also fill in my anecdotal reports from largely Hispanic (with redneck whites) east Houston that I get second-hand from a strong familial source. In other words, when my father tells me of a Hispanic/redneck white he's met who is supporting Obama, I'll let you know. :P I doubt enough redneck whites are still democrats to have a significant effect on the Dem primary. Well, except maybe a few of the women. Remember also that in Texas, lower-middle class white doesn't necessarily equate to redneck. Lower class white however, probably does. However most rednecks would never vote for Obama (obvious reasons) OR Hillary (they think she's an atheist lesbian communist). Rather they'll turn out in droves to vote for Huckabee. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 02:36:04 PM Texas (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/primaries/pages/epolls/TX/index.html) is like California in the Dem primary for Obama but maybe worse. Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California, and the Texas Dem primary is largely sans upper middle class Anglos, and probably has more rednecks still voting in it. Unless Hillary collapses, it's all hers. I'll bump up my (still incomplete) analysis on the Texas Senate Districts for your perusal sometime later today. I'll also fill in my anecdotal reports from largely Hispanic (with redneck whites) east Houston that I get second-hand from a strong familial source. In other words, when my father tells me of a Hispanic/redneck white he's met who is supporting Obama, I'll let you know. :P I doubt enough redneck whites are still democrats to have a significant effect on the Dem primary. Well, except maybe a few of the women. Remember also that in Texas, lower-middle class white doesn't necessarily equate to redneck. Lower class white however, probably does. However most rednecks would never vote for Obama (obvious reasons) OR Hillary (they think she's an atheist lesbian communist). Rather they'll turn out in droves to vote for Huckabee. lol Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Sam Spade on February 10, 2008, 02:39:36 PM Texas has more blacks, but the Hispanics are probably more conservative/suspicious of blacks than in California The less acrimonious relationship between these two groups in TX may aid Obama's inroad efforts in the Valley. With support from Pete Gallego and other TX Latinos, Obama could break the 35% threshold in heavily Latino areas. Does Obama have the support of any other politicians in the border area (much less the rest of Texas) other than Gallego? I don't know of one, off the top of my head. That can often make a difference in that "machine-politic" area of the world. I do agree that the acrimoniousness (word?) will be strongest in Houston/Dallas (yes there are Hispanics in Dallas) and less in other areas. Clinton has Reps. Solomon Ortiz, Silvestre Reyes of El Paso, Henry Cuellar of Laredo, and Rubén Hinojosa of Mercedes. Garry Mauro is also backing Hillary. Then she should win Delta County (she will anyways). :P So, the two Hispanic Reps still outstanding are Ciro and Charlie Gonzales. I think Tony Sanchez also endorsed Hillary, as memory serves me. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: jimrtex on February 10, 2008, 02:58:36 PM Here (http://www.gopachy.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=7899&page=1#Comment_43004) is an article to throw into your pile for contemplation with my comment appended. In Texas you have rural and urban Hispanics, and some rubbing shoulders with blacks, and some not. You have the Rio Grande (rural no blacks), San Antonio (urban very few blacks), and Houston (urban with blacks). Will Obama run the worst with Hispanics in Houston, and the best in San Antonio? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: jimrtex on February 10, 2008, 03:11:32 PM Maybe Ciro will endorse Obama? Clinton has Reps. Solomon Ortiz, Silvestre Reyes of El Paso, Henry Cuellar of Laredo, and Rubén Hinojosa of Mercedes. Garry Mauro is also backing Hillary. Do you think anyone in Texas knows who Garry Mauro is (maybe if he is married or has children or his parents are still living)? He ran 17% behind the Democratic candidate for Lt. Governor, 13% AG, 17% Controller, 8% Land Commissioner, 11% Ag Commissioner, or 9% RR Commissioner. There is no straight ticket voting in primaries. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Alcon on February 11, 2008, 08:31:05 PM I am very happy to report that the Douglas County results have been corrected, and Obama actually carried the county with 64% of the delegates. In other words, 39/39 county statewide sweep.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004177136_webcount11m.html Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 11, 2008, 08:43:21 PM I am very happy to report that the Douglas County results have been corrected, and Obama actually carried the county with 64% of the delegates. In other words, 39/39 county statewide weep. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2004177136_webcount11m.html WASHINGTON WINS AGAIN Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2008, 09:08:57 PM WASHINGTON IS OFFICIALLY THE MOST PRO-OBAMA STATE IN THE NATION
Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Verily on February 11, 2008, 09:10:17 PM WASHINGTON IS OFFICIALLY THE MOST PRO-OBAMA STATE IN THE NATION Kansas probably had no counties for Clinton, too. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2008, 09:11:15 PM Maybe Alaska and/or North Dakota as well.
But Washington has more people, so they break the tie. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Mr. Morden on February 11, 2008, 09:18:32 PM Hilarious Clinton spin on her losses this past weekend:
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses/ Quote "These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand." She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November. "It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma." Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 11, 2008, 09:21:53 PM Pretty good diary from Markos on the subject.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/11/121758/950/294/454307 Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gabu on February 11, 2008, 09:42:39 PM Hilarious Clinton spin on her losses this past weekend: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses/ Quote "These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand." She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November. "It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma." Oh, well isn't that convenient, every single state that the Democrats will never win is also a state that Obama won, and every single state that the Democrats must focus in is also a state that Clinton won. :P EDIT: Oh, besides Missouri. Is Clinton still clinging to the belief that she won Missouri? Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: M on February 11, 2008, 10:17:55 PM Maybe Alaska and/or North Dakota as well. But Washington has more people, so they break the tie. Alaska does not have counties. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: The Mikado on February 11, 2008, 10:29:44 PM Maybe Ciro will endorse Obama? Clinton has Reps. Solomon Ortiz, Silvestre Reyes of El Paso, Henry Cuellar of Laredo, and Rubén Hinojosa of Mercedes. Garry Mauro is also backing Hillary. Do you think anyone in Texas knows who Garry Mauro is (maybe if he is married or has children or his parents are still living)? He ran 17% behind the Democratic candidate for Lt. Governor, 13% AG, 17% Controller, 8% Land Commissioner, 11% Ag Commissioner, or 9% RR Commissioner. There is no straight ticket voting in primaries. The guy who got his ass kicked by George Bush in 1998? Yeah, I remember him...and that election. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: minionofmidas on February 12, 2008, 04:52:12 AM Maybe Alaska and/or North Dakota as well. But Washington has more people, so they break the tie. Alaska does not have counties. Title: Re: Feb. 9th primaries & caucuses--Dem. results thread Post by: Gustaf on February 12, 2008, 08:36:35 AM Hilarious Clinton spin on her losses this past weekend: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/11/clinton-dismisses-weekend-losses/ Quote "These are caucus states by and large, or in the case of Louisiana, you know, a very strong and very proud African-American electorate, which I totally respect and understand." She also downplayed many of Obama's Super Tuesday victories, describing them as states that Democrats should not expect to win in November. "It is highly unlikely we will win Alaska or North Dakota or Idaho or Nebraska," she said, naming several of Obama's red state wins. "But we have to win Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, Michigan … And we've got to be competitive in places like Texas, Missouri and Oklahoma." Oh, well isn't that convenient, every single state that the Democrats will never win is also a state that Obama won, and every single state that the Democrats must focus in is also a state that Clinton won. :P EDIT: Oh, besides Missouri. Is Clinton still clinging to the belief that she won Missouri? Yes, Texas sure is a must-win for a Democratic presidential nominee. But it's a clever spin. One would expect people to go the other way, saying that Obama's strength in GOP areas is a sign of strength for the general (it isn't, of course, but that's irrelevant) and yet she manages to make it the other way around. |