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Title: Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Hegemon on August 26, 2004, 05:10:09 PM The Los Angeles Times has released 3 new battleground state polls of Wisconsin, Ohio, and Missouri. Bush leads Kerry 49%-44% in Missouri and Wisconsin, and 48%-44% in Ohio.
The polls were conducted August 21-24. The polls' samples consisted of: 507 registered voters in Ohio; 580 registered voters in Missouri; and 512 registered voters in Wisconsin. http://www.latimes.com/news/custom/timespoll/la-082604poll_lat,1,357938,print.story?coll=la-home-headlines (registration required) Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: ilikeverin on August 26, 2004, 05:25:15 PM LA Times: joke.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: AuH2O on August 26, 2004, 05:26:35 PM ilikeverin: would not have posted if the results were reversed...
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: The Vorlon on August 26, 2004, 05:27:03 PM True... but they actually farm their state polls out to "whomever" so while usually a joke.. at least the punch line varries from poll to poll :) Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Giant Saguaro on August 26, 2004, 05:50:31 PM Well this is either getting better literally by the hour, or minute, or we're seeing a string of highly suspect or inflated polls. If these are close to being right on - oh boy, the dance floor is sure set for the RNC next week.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: A18 on August 26, 2004, 05:52:16 PM LA Times may be a joke...but a pro-Bush joke?
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: The Vorlon on August 26, 2004, 06:02:40 PM LA Times may be a joke...but a pro-Bush joke? The LA Times essentially subcontracts out their state polling. Depending who did it, it might be ok, it might be useless. Till I get details, I have no comment one way or the other. Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Bandit3 the Worker on August 26, 2004, 06:26:52 PM More polls for the trash can.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: MODU on August 26, 2004, 07:41:49 PM Though I like the results, I question the source. :) I'd put these ones aside until more info comes forward. Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Rococo4 on August 26, 2004, 09:02:08 PM More polls for the trash can. First time we have ever agreed. I blasted these state polls last time when some showed bad results for Bush, so I wont put any stock into ones I like from them. Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: The Vorlon on August 27, 2004, 10:11:58 AM I found the internals of the LA Times state polls.
As some of you may recall I have had the odd bad thing to say about the LA Times polling unit, which some of you disregarded as pro-bush bias. Here are 3 pro-bush polls... The internals of these are comically bad... these things are Zogby levels of insanity.. Use then to wrap fish, or line your bird cage... Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: FireFighterForBush on August 27, 2004, 10:21:27 AM polls mean nothing! ask dewey! despite me being a republican i just have to show that polls mean nothing!
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: ill ind on August 27, 2004, 11:16:05 AM The internals of these are comically bad... these things are Zogby levels of insanity.. Use then to wrap fish, or line your bird cage... Just out of curiosity, what are the internals that make these polls os bad. Do they overstate the number of Republicans?? Understate independents etc.? I believe Wis would be pretty tough to estimate as it has same day registration and I belive no statewide list of voters. Only precinct level lists. Perhaps that's why polls of that state are all over the place. Ill Ind Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: The Vorlon on August 27, 2004, 11:26:52 AM The internals of these are comically bad... these things are Zogby levels of insanity.. Use then to wrap fish, or line your bird cage... Just out of curiosity, what are the internals that make these polls os bad. Do they overstate the number of Republicans?? Understate independents etc.? I believe Wis would be pretty tough to estimate as it has same day registration and I belive no statewide list of voters. Only precinct level lists. Perhaps that's why polls of that state are all over the place. Ill Ind The ration of men to women is off. In wisconsin when you add Nader to the ballot Bush's lead drops by 3% The ration of young to old is way off. Populations education levels are way out Party ID is all screwed up in Missouri, Party breakout in Ohio is all wrong... This thing is a disaster... :) Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Light Touch on August 27, 2004, 12:19:41 PM Actually, Bush's numbers have been falling when Nader is added in a few polls this year. Not sure what the connection is, but I'm not sure it's a clear flaw.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: 12th Doctor on August 27, 2004, 01:32:24 PM More polls for the trash can. Any poll that shows Bush leading in Wyoming is trash to you. Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Gustaf on August 27, 2004, 04:47:26 PM On Nader, I believe I have read somewhere that Nades actually hurts Bush in Wisconsin, as opposed to everywhere else.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: The Vorlon on August 27, 2004, 04:50:51 PM On Nader, I believe I have read somewhere that Nades actually hurts Bush in Wisconsin, as opposed to everywhere else. Bush by 4 head to head in Wisconsis, but up only 1 with Nader... so says the LA Times. The internals of these state polls were hilarious... Made me long for a nice 'reliable' pollster... like Zogby.... ;) Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: Gustaf on August 27, 2004, 04:58:42 PM On Nader, I believe I have read somewhere that Nades actually hurts Bush in Wisconsin, as opposed to everywhere else. Bush by 4 head to head in Wisconsis, but up only 1 with Nader... so says the LA Times. The internals of these state polls were hilarious... Made me long for a nice 'reliable' pollster... like Zogby.... ;) Well, believe it or not, but I read this in a reliable source somewhere. Something to do with Republican-leaning indepents liking to go crazy and vote for an independent candidate...something like that. Only in Wisconsin. Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: PrisonerOfHope on August 27, 2004, 09:50:47 PM LA Time had Bush up by 11 two months ago (6/5) when everyone else showed a dead heat, so the DECLINE for Bush should be considered. They showed a similar skew for Bush in WI at same time and also a DECLINE from their prior prediction. I couldn't get info. on whether it was a follow-up survey or a new sampling. Either way, I wouldn't put a lot of faith in their numbers.
Title: Re:Bush Leads in WI, MO, & OH, According to L.A. Times Post by: MODU on August 27, 2004, 11:40:13 PM It's an LA time poll. Not worth much except for entertainment. |