Talk Elections

Just for kicks.

Sen. John McCain (2009-2013)
Sen. Mark Warner (2013-2021) (narrowly def. Gov. Bobby Jindal)
Fmr. Gov. Bobby Jindal (2021-?)

Certainly not certain or anything close, but I think McCain wins and Warner faces Jindal in 2012

Barack Obama (D-IL, 2009-2017)
Mark Warner (D-VA, 2017-2021)
Bobby Jindal (R-LA, 2021-2025)

These threads are absolutely inane and retarded. Ask this in 1992. How many would say the Governor of Arkansas, the current President's son, and either a Chicago community organizer or Senator just involved in the Keating Five? There's a ton of other similar scenarios.

Of course the sheer stupidity of them and the idea that in the 2020s we'll still be dealing with the same people we have today is probably why they appeal so much to people like Naso, DWTL and constine.

Well, the expert has chimed in

1981:

-the Vice-President
-the former Governor of Arkansas who just lost reelection
-the son of the Vice-President.

1965:

-the former Vice-President
-the new House Minority Leader
-a State Senator from Georgia

etc. etc.

Senator Obama: 2008-2012
Gov. Bobby Jindal: 2013-2020
Senator Mark Warner: 2021-2028

Senator Barack Obama(2009-2013)
Governor Bobby Jindal(2013-2021)
?(2021-)

John McCain, Harold Ford, Bill Richardson

People really think Jindal will run for higher office? Odd....I dont really see it happening.

Barack Obama (2009-17)
Mark Warner (2017-25)
Tate Reeves (2025-29)

Barack Obama, 2009-2017
Obama's VP, 2017-2021
Youngish Non-Southern Republican who is currently a state legislator, 2021-2029

Barack Obama(D): 2009-2017
Jim Web(D): 2017-2021 (Obama VP)
Pat McCrory(R): 2021-?? ( Pat McCrory loses the Governor race, in 2014 he runs for the Senate of NC, betting Kay Hagan. He then runs for President of the USA)

We can hope he doesn't since the consequences would be truly dire if he were to be elected. Like Huckabee, he belongs to the theocon wing of the GOP.

I think we've had this argument before.  You're right that it's crazy to suggest that anyone can predict for sure who it'll be two presidents from now, and especially not three presidents from now, but there are definitely certain people who we'ver heard of who are more likely than others to be the 45th or even 46th president.  Bill Clinton was already a rising star in the Democratic Party in 1988, so it would hardly be crazy to guess him as one potential future president back then.  It would hardly be crazy to guess George Bush as a potential future president in 1980, or even 1976.  It would hardly be crazy to guess Reagan as a potential future president as far back as the Nixon years.

To be honest, a great many of the things people try to predict on this board are "inane and retarded".  (The idea that one can perfectly predict the percentage margins in every state in the 2008 presidential election is crazy, for example.)  But people do it anyway, just for kicks.  It's not like it's a complete shot in the dark.  I mean, the 45th president of the United States is a lot more likely to be, say, Mark Warner than Herb Kohl.

I like that stuff...where Nixon was a well-known politician in the Leave it to Beaver days of the 50s...and yet his term was set to expire nearly in the 1980s. Talk about a politican who covered time.

Same with Reagan...he was on the political scene for Truman in 1948...only to be President of the United States 40 years later.

If McCain becomes President...and serves two terms...I'll say "When I was 11 years old...McCain was on the political scene...now he's leaving office when I am 28 years old".

I like that stuff.

Barack Obama  (2009-2017)
Jim Webb (2017-2025)
Malia Ann Obama (2025-2033)



Yes, I know that's ridicolous before anyone says it. :P

Barack Obama (2009-2012)
State Representative Joy Jamieson (2012-2016)
School Lunch Monitor/Community Organizer Andy Smith (2016-2020)
Maybe someone who is actually qualified for the job? (2020-)

Barack Obama (2009-2013)
Bobby Jindal (2013-2021)
Sarah Palin (2021-2025)

I'd say Huckabee is more plausible than Jindal for that time period. Perhaps Huckabee '13-'21 then Jindal after that.

Jindal will have a bump from running as McCain's veep and/or speaking at the GOP convention a la Obama

The experience issue will doom Jindal though.

Just like it's dooming Obama?

Jindal has significantly less experience than Obama hth.

Uh....barring some unexpected circumstances, by 2012, Jindal will have served at least a full 4 year term as governor of Louisiana, on top of his 3 years in the House of Representatives.  In what universe is that "significantly less" experience than Obama has now?

Weird. I was under the impression Jindal's sole experience was being elected recently to governor. Nevermind then.

Well it was recent, but we're talking about what his experience will be in 2012, as that's when he'd be running for president in this hypothetical.  By that time, he will surely have had more experience than Barack Obama does in 2008.

That presumes a nonwhite can win the GOP primaries. Given the rustbelt and Dixie base of the GOP...

I'm not saying that he can.  The only thing I was taking issue with was "The experience issue will doom Jindal though."

I leave it to Earl to defend the issue of whether Jindal can actually win the GOP nom. in 2012.

If Jindal can keep in office he'd be a possibility for 2016 or 2020.

Funny. I see Jindal as a McGovern-like figure by 2012.

As in loses badly?

Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) 2009-2017
Governor Sarah Palin (R-AK)/Governor Bobby Jindal (R-LA) 2017-

Beyond that I think its impossible to say anything. 

Well, that, and being basically the ultra-radical who is so conservative that people will question if he really believes in democracy.

Is Jindal term-limited?  If so I think 2016 or 2020 is about the latest he could think of being elected.

I find it slightly amusing that almost none of the McCain people here even seem to think he's going to win.

Aside from my original point:

Why do so many think a Jindal presidency is basically inevitable at some point? Jindal is currently the most right wing Governor in America. Also:

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Northern Louisiana didn't change radically in 4 years, neither did Jindal's skin color. Simply the political context of the state. And even then Jindal notably underperformed in the area. I don't see anything that makes Jindal so strong of a candidate that there is no way he can be denied the Presidency.

Its not so much that he's a lock for the presidency, he's a good bet for the nomination.  Plus, I don't think people would care if he said "macaca", its kind of like if Obama just started beltin out the N-word, so he's pretty set there.

I'll do the next five because I feel like it.
Senator John McCain (R-Arizona) (2009-2013)
does not seek reelection
Governor Bobby Jindal (R-LA) (2013-2021)
Vice President Sarah Palin (R-AK) (2021-2029)
Senate Majority Leader Mark Warner (D-VA) (2029-2033)
loses primary
Governor Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) (2033-2037)
loses reelection

or

Senator Barack Obama (D-Ill) (2009-2017)
Vice President Jim Webb (D-VA) (2017-2025)
Governor Tim Ryan (D-OH) (2025-2029)
loses reelection
Senator Norm Coleman (R-MN) (2029-2037)
Senator Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) (2037-2041)
loses reelection

Webb is unelectable.

McCain: 2008-2012
Warner: 2012-2020
Jindal: 2020-2028

2008:

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Obama: 306
McCain: 232

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From here out I will not do EV totals because they will change.

2012

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Obama wins over Romney.

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2016

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Sarah Palin(AK) vs Mary Landiren(LA), I don't know who wins, because the EV will be different, but it will be using the 2012 EV map, what every that may be. I may add the EV totals.

Palin v. Landrieu?  Do you really the Dems will nominate a moderate who is either out of office or barely winning?  BTW, LOL @ NC, GA, and LA voting Dem

Georgia LOL

LA did in 1992 and 1996. Also by that time, GA and NC will both have around 10 to 11 million people live in them states, Most from up North moving down because the cost of living is lower and the weather is better.

1.) VT has voted Republican more times any state, in fact up until 1992, I don't know the last time they didn't.  Is it going to be a GOP bastion soon?
2.) More people does not equal more Democratic, Georgia is growing a lot and is moving right

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
Gordon Smith (2017-2021)
Hobo living in a box in downtown saginaw (2021-????)

GA isn't moving right or left right now, its holding steady, but I see it being more Democratic at the natonal level, but saying republican at the local level. Also  LA would go Democratic because the Mary is from there, and 99% of the time the candidate wins their home state.

1.) No, you can't argue Georgia is not moving to the right, its a fact not an opinion
2.) Al Gore did incredibly well in TN in 2000

I said 99% of the time. Also Gore was too liberal for TN when he ran.

While at least you admitted Georgia is trending Republican.

Barack H. Obama (2009-2013)
Mark Sanford (2013-2021)
Rand Paul (2021-2029)

Jindal will be unelectable in a few years, if not already. Otherwise that's not an implausible list.

IIRC, he's just like his dad. IIRC, his dad failed to win a single state.

That doesn't mean that Rand Paul couldn't get elected in 12 years, just as Reagan couldn't get elected in 1976 let alone 1968

lol, Jindal has about a 0.0001% chance of ever becoming President.

It isn't anymore. Most of the growth to its suburbs recently hasn't been as Republican, as before and I think it is holding steady now.

Nope because Libertarianism will never be popular enough to allow for it.

Barack Obama(2009-2017)
Sarah Palin(2017-2025)
Pancho Villa from Phoenix, Arizona(2025-2029)

Nice name.

How about this?

OBAMA 2009-2013
JINDAL 2013-2021
WARNER 2021-2029

With the exception of the four years of Obama....this timeline isn't all that bad as Mark Warner isn't all that extreme a Democrat.

Come on Mike, do you really think Americans are going to go for an ultra-conservative Catholic Indian who performs exorcisms?

It makes about as much sense as a just elected Chicago pol Teddy Kennedy was still calling "Osama" just yesterday.

And no, that is not a swipe at Obama.

Just as conservatism was not popular enough in 1964?  Or just as Democracy was not too popular before the revolution?  Can I have a look into your crystal ball that tells you how America will feel in 10 years?

McCain
Ford
Kyanka

Because anti-Semitism and hardcore drug abuse are not that rampant here.

just to be interesting since this is stupid

Obama '09-'14 (assassinated)
Webb '14-17
random hispanic Republican state legislator '17-'25

Webb isn't going to be veep.

Two scenarios:

John McCain 2009-2013
Mark Warner 2013-2021
Bobby Jindal or Sarah Palin 2021-2029


Barack Obama 2009-2013
Bobby Jindal 2013-2021
Who the hell knows 2021- ?

America will not support an utter lunatic; therefore, Paul will never win.

Really?  Then how do you explain Barack Obama's rise to power?  Obviously you do not think he will the election if an "utter lunatic" cannot win

Shut up, I don't care what you think about the man, but 75% of the country thinks that Paul's views are those of a lunatic and at the most 40% of the country thinks Obama's views are those of a lunatic.

Because the majority's always right, right? (Except for the War in Iraq, global cooling, the Holocaust, eugenics, Communism, the Inquisition, etc.)

This is about his chances of winning an election not about whether he is right or not.

John McCain (2009-2013)
Mark Warner (2013-2021)
Sarah Palin or more likely someone not on the national scene (2021-????)

Barack Obama  (2009-2013)
Mitt Romney (2013-2017)
Mark Warner (2017-2025)

My gut tells me that the next POTUS will be a one-termer, whether it's McCain or Obama.  If it's McCain, it'll be another close election in 2012 with Warner winning against either a very visibly aged McCain or against the VP since McCain has decided not to seek re-election.  Warner is easily re-elected in 2016 and Palin wins a very close election in 2020.

If it's Obama, the GOP is energized behind Romney in 2012, who wins a close election but loses to Warner in 2016.

Obama, Santorum, Rahm Emmanuel

Obama (2009-2013)
Brad Ellsworth (2013-2047, when he passes away).
Brad Ellsworth, Jr. (2047-2080)

Maybe I should mention that Brad Ellsworth proclaimed himself benevolent dictator in 2013, and ruled the nation with an iron fist till his death 34 years after he assumed office. Under Ellsworth the Magnificent, the America was renamed U.S.E. (the United States of Evansville), and our greatest export was good 'ol conservative values.

Obama
Romney
Porter

Which Porter? Jon Porter?

Please tell me that isn't Garrison Porter?

On second thought, my money's on this guy.
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Phil, aren't you supposed to be on vacation in Italy?

Yes, that Porter.

If Mark Warner had in any interest in running for President why didn't he this year?

How could he have  competed with the Clinton and Obama fundraising juggernauts?

He's independently wealthy.

He took himself out of running before Obama even entered the race.

How the hell does Ellsworth get elected in 2012?

That's least credible part of my satrical historical narrative? Of course, Ellsworth the Magnifcent defeated Obama in the 2012 primaries.

Btw rumor has it tha Hillary blackmailed him out of the race.

Whose rumor?

A good website for finding potential GOP hopefuls. (http://tinyurl.com/veepfinder)
Why not try that website for potential veeps/'12 hopefuls??

From where, and with what?

Barack Obama (2009 - 2017)
Bill Richardson (2017 - 2019)

Richardson proves to be an ineffectual Commander-in-Chief and allows the country to be overtaken by his arch-nemesis in 2019 - Lord Desk.

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If only he'd finished the job when he had the chance...

Santorum? ewwww...

Well once Obama is elected and proves to be as wonderful as the Obama fanatics suggest, won't he be President for life ? <smirk>

2008 Obama/Biden Defeats McCain/Palin
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2012 Obama/Biden Defeats Romney/Jindal
-note I know EV change
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2016 Rossi/DeMint defeats Giffords/Tester

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2020 Warner/Sanchez Defeats Rossi/DeMint
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I think I will stop here

2009 - 2013: Obama/Biden
2013 - 2021: Huckabee/Jindal
2021 - ?: Unsure

This thread is funny.

I would just like to say that Bobby Jindal will never be elected President. Never.

 


Dear God no!

2009-2013: Obama/Biden         McCain-Palin
2013-2017: Obama/Bayh          Romney/Crist
2017-2020: Warner/Herseth     Jindal/Petraeus   (Warner dies from a heart attack)
2020-2021: Herseth/Richardson
2021-2025: Jindal/Thune           Herseth/Richardson
2025- ? :     Clinton/Schweitzer  Jindal/Thune
(yep, Chelsea.... the Clintons avenged, at last...)

2009 - 2017: Senator Barack Obama/Senator Joe Biden
2017 - 2021: Governor Dino Rossi/Senator John Thune
2021 - 2025: Governor Stephanie Herseth/Senator Jared Polis

Sam Spade's.  Apparently, it's "obvious" that someone has some dirt on Warner, and that this was apparent "from the first time Sam saw the guy", or some such thing.

LOL @ the map with every state going to Warner.

There is something weird about him, I must say.

The Mark Warner love on this forum almost rivals that of Barack Obama.

Yeah, and at least Warner deserves it.

LOL.

What?  Warner is more capable, and would make a better President, than Barack Obama.

I have a hunch that Obama will win, have a mediocre term, and be vulnerable in 2012. The GOP will respond to this heaven sent opportunity by nominating the one person who could actually lose to an unpopular President: Sarah Palin. Palin runs a nasty and negative campaign, and ends up losing badly.

On the bright side it will open the way for Crist in 2016.

LOL.

A Warner v. Crist matchup would be great.

Barack Obama, Olympia Snowe, Evan Bayh

Or not :p

Barack Obama (2009-2013)
Mitt Romney (2013-2021)
Mike Pence (2021-2029)

or in my dreams, at least.


I would consider voting for Mark Warner against say, a populist social-conservative, but I'm not 100% sure where Warner stands economically.  I'm sure that will be fleshed out in his coming Senate term.

May Heaven have mercy on us all if that awful man ever becomes President.

Fixed

nice work! haha

Though Huckabee might have me with the Fair Tax.  I plan on reading Boortz's book in the near future to get a better understanding.

Put it this way...if Warner ran against Sarah Palin and Palin claimed the solution to our economic ills to be more regulation and "putting a stop to the corruption and greed on Wall Street"...then I'd consider voting for Warner

I really have no idea how Huck will give us a fair tax. Does he raise taxes on the rest of us or does he give tax cuts to the fat asses (However, many fat asses don't appear fat because they can afford daily liposuction).  In Wyoming, Cynthia Lummis wants a flat tax by the former. The dawn of the tax-and-spend compassionate conservative, anyone? More solvent but even more statist than their unevolved form, the borrow-and-spend compassionate conservative.

From what I understand, the Fair Tax involves an elimination of ALL federal income tax, with the federal government financed by a consumption tax instead.  I could be wrong on this, I haven't really read into it. 

I forgot what I said before but I'm going with this:

John McCain (2009-2013)
Hillary Clinton (2013-2017)
Christopher Christie (2017-2025)

He's moderately pro-business, and is basically a Blue Dog Democrat on economics.

Then he wouldn't get my support.

updated:

Barack H. Obama (2009-2013)
Sarah L. Palin (2013-2021)
William Lawson (2021-2029)

My Update:

Barack Obama/Joseph Biden (2009 - 2013)
Michael Huckabee/ John Thune (2013 - 2021)
John Thune/Mike Pence (2021 - 2025)

I'll do a wishful-thinking McCain one if he somehow wins the election.

Obama/Biden (2009-2013)
Thune/Romney (2013-2017)
Warner/McCaskill (2017-2025)

Guess I was wrong about Rossi :)

2009-2017: Barack Obama (D-IL)
2017-2021: Mark R. Warner (D-VA)
2021-2025: Mike Pence (R-IN)

Barack Obama       2009 -2017
Kathleen Sebelius 2017-2021
Some yet unheard of Moderate Republican from the Northeast 2021-2029

How come only one term for Warner?

44th: Barack Hussien Obama (D) 2009-2017
45th: Brian David Schweitzer (D) 2017-2021
46th: George Prescott Bush (R) 2021-??

Bobby Jindal (2013-2021)
Some little known/unknown Midwestern Dem (2021-2029)
Virtually unknown Southern Republican (2029-2033)

Ok yea sure keep dreaming.

LOL
Keep dreaming?  I didn't even name a person following Jindal

I just don't see Jindal winning in 2012; I think he'd do better in 2016, with 2 terms as Governor under his belt.

I just don't see Obama winning in 2008; I think he'd do better in 2012 or 2016 with as many as 2 terms as Senator under his belt.

1. Barack Obama (he's not president yet)
2. Someone elected as a big-state governor in 2010 or a senator this year (Kay Hagan, Mark Warner maybe?)
3. Someone who isn't even in politics right now.

Barack Obama 2009-2017
Hillary Clinton 20017-2025
Chelsea Clinton 2025-2033

So he's a Republican, more or less.

No; he can govern well.

Well played.

Anyway, just for fun:

1. Barack Obama (2009-2011)
2. Joe Biden (2011-2013)
3. Mark Warner (2013-??)

I'm not implying an Obama assassination to stir up the pot, or based on any animosity I hold towards him, I'm just making my best guess based on the historical drama. Now, poke holes in it.

If Biden becomes President, he runs for reelection.

Biden probably is the most likely person to become the 45th president at this point. Not saying that Obama dying in office or resigning is *likely*, but if he does, then of course Biden automatically becomes president.  Whereas, anyone else becoming the 45th president depends on difficult-to-predict election outcomes.  And even if Obama serves a full two terms, I'd say the chances of Biden then running in 2016 at age 73 (same age as Dole in 1996) is not completely negligible.

I agree that there is a good chance Biden could run in 2016. That doesn't necessarily mean he will win the nomination, but he certainly seems to have the ambition to try.

I don't think he could win his party's nomination, even as a sitting President. True, Warner doesn't seem the type to challenge him, but I couldn't think of anyone better.

Why?

The only reason he is likely to be Senator is because Stevens is a crook on levels much bigger than Nixon.

Maybe in 10 years but I think the lower 48 are getting tired of Alaska, especially Democrats, haha. Gravel/Palin/Stevens

Raising taxes and all was cool, but anyone can break a campaign promise when they're termed out.

From what I've seen of him, he has the charisma of strained peas.

I honestly haven't seen much of him, though.

Begich was just lucky enough to be the generic Democrat running at the time Stevens finally got busted for his sh**t.

He didn't win.  Stevens lost.

I don't think Obama's going to pick Biden again.  He won't need him.  And he'll (along with the rest of his party) want to pick someone seen as a lock to win the office when he leaves.  So, if Obama's got high exit numbers, #45 will be whoever his next VP is. 

If Obama's a one-termer, it'll be any one of the current GOP Governers.  Except Palin.

After that, my local dog catcher might rise up, for all I know.

Updated post election

2012:
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Obama/Biden defeat Romney/Jindal

2016
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Huntsman/Putnam defeat Biden/Herseth

2020
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Warner/Giffords defeat Huntsman/Putnam

2024
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Warner/Giffords defeat Putnam/Gov AL

2028
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Giffords/NC Sen defeat Shock/KS Gov

To Sum up
Obama 2009-2017
Huntsman 2017-2021
Warner 2021-2029
Giffords 2029-?

Bobby Jindal (2013-2017)
Joe Biden (2017-2021)
Bobby Jindal (2021-2025)

Uh...I guess this is playing into the Indian joke. Anyway, Biden isn't going to be nominated at the age of 74 to run for President, Naso.

And these things make him someone who could win at the national level?

A random guess.  I think he could serve 2 terms, but I dunno.

Aw, what the hell:

1) Barack Obama (D-IL) 2009-2013
2) Mark Sanford (R-SC) 2013-2017
3) Jay Nixon (D-MO) 2017-?

And so on

Barak Obama: 2009-2013
Gary Johnson: 2013-2021
BJ Lawson: 2021-2029

Barack Obama 2009-2013
Gary Johnson 2013-2021
Steve Westly 2021-2025

Westly?

Barack Obama (2009-13)
Mike Huckabee (2013-21)
Whoever is Huckabee's VP (2021-25 or 29??)

Gary Johnson sounds like a pretty....interesting guy. Do you think he would have a chance? He seems like Ron Paul 2.0.

Very interesting. He has appeal but he's not the Big League type.

Yes, pretty much what I was going to say-

This is what I think will happen-

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
Stephane Herseth-Sandlin (2017-2021)
Charlie Crist (2021-2029)

I refuse to vote for anyone with a hyphenated last name.

My scenario involves Johnson positioning himself as a centrist. Exit polls in NH show that if every anti-war Republican how voted for the only anti-war Republican running, Ron Paul would have won the primary 35-23 over Mitt Romney. Had Paul had enough money to get his name out in New Hampshire early, that demographic probably would have voted for him instead of voting for the hawk McCain. However, Johnson has 3 years to prepare, whereas Paul only had 1. With a conservative split between Romney, Huckabee, and Palin, Johnson would have a good chance at winning New Hampshire.

You aren't going to vote for her, anyway.

What about a post-Rounds era? Sandlin could do very well in the Gubatorials in 2010 and perhaps get tapped by Obama in 2012 (Palin, but with real experience) or run in 2016.

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
John Ellis Bush (2017-2025)
Unknown Democrat (2025-2033)

Obama: 2009-2011
Biden: 2011-2017
Warner: 2017-2021

What happens to Barry?

Barack Obama 2009 - 2017
Boris Johnson 2017 - 2021
Al Franken 2021 - 2021

Boris Johnson? Britain's mayor? Possible Conservative Prime Minister? What are we, absorbed by the UK for 4 Years?

Britain doesn't have a mayor, they have a Queen and a Prime Minister.

I just found out that Boris Johnson was born in the United States, which automatically makes him a US citizen.

Boris Johnson is a buffoon who only became London mayor because everybody thought it'd be a laugh.

He was born in New York. You lot can have him.

Romney (2012-2014)-dies of a heart attack after 2 years making VP Pawlenty the new president
Pawlenty (2014-2020)-wins re-election in 2016 over Hilary Clinton/Bill Richardson
Bayh (2020-2028)-with running mate Bill Richardson beats re-election from Pawlenty/Palin

Joe Biden (2010-2011)
Hillary Clinton (2011-2013)
Newt Gingrich (2013-2021)

Eight monthts after Barack Obama is assassinated (and neither by white supremacists nor by al-Qaeda, I might add), President Biden dies of a heart attack. His VP Hillary Clinton serves out the remainder of Obama/Biden's term. In the 2012 election, Newt Gingrich ushers in a new Republican REVOLUTION.

I think if Boris Johnson ran for US president (an utterly absurd scenario, of course), he would of course run as a democrat.
Of course, he wouldn't meet the 14 years residency requirement in 2017.

Joe Biden 2009-2013
Gary Johnson 2013-2021
Beau Biden 2021-2029

Obama 09-13
Palin 13-21
Jindal 21-29

Never let that happen. Ever.

You know for someone who self-identifies as a Democrat, DCDonut seems disturbingly hackish towards Republican Party candidates...

Obama doesn't look that competent. I favor democrat policies but fear a conservative backlash.

2016-2024: Rebecca Otto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Otto)
2024-2032: Mike Fleck (http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/house_bio.cfm?id=1097)
2032-2036: Michael Naso, Jr. (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66/Floydbuster/mike1.jpg)

I clicked each picture and was surprised at the last one. LOL IDK but thanks ;)

Oh wow!

Very funny that Fleck was mentioned. We'll see...  ;)

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
Claire McCaskill (2017-2021)
Robert Jindal (2021-2025)
Lisa Madigan (2025-2033)

"Bobby" is usually a nickname for Robert, but in this case his real name is Piyush, not Robert. So yes, I think that he means governor of LA Bobby Jindal.

2013-2021 Palin
2021-2029 Jindal
2029-2037 Stark

Tim Pawlenty (2017-2025)
Patrick Kennedy (2025-2029)
Philip Innamorato (2029-2037)

Knock it off, Naso.

(2009-2013) Barry Obama
(2013-2017) Mike Huckabee
(2017-2021) Brian Schweitzer

This one actually seems a bit realistic to me...

Huckabee won't win.  He's a Baptist minister.

So what?? Stop trying to silence Christians. You are simply trying to bash Huckabee.

In Reaganfan's defense, I agree that his list is good.

Haha that would be awesome. Me standing there as Ben takes the oath to succeed me. HAHA!

How about this?

(2009-2013) Sen. Barack Obama
(2013-2017) Gov. Mitt Romney
(2017-2021) Pres. Barack Obama
(2021-2025) Pres. Mitt Romney

Huckabee
Palin
Jindal

44. Barack Obama 2009-2013
45. Robert McDonnell 2013-2021
46. John Thune 2021-2025
47. Kirsten Gillibrand 2025-2033

That would be awesome ;D  I can only imagine how the forum vote would be split :)

B. Hussein Obama 2009-2017
H. Rodham Clinton 2017-2021
Piyush Jindal 2021-2029

Barack Obama 2009-2017
Hillary Clinton 2017-2021
Jeb Bush 2021-2025

Barack Obama (2009-2013)
Tim Pawlenty (2013-2021)
Val Kilmer (2021-2025)

Ummm...so what? You see, that's basically the way it is in politics....both parties try to bash each other...get it?

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
John Thune (2017-2021)
Mark Warner (2021-2029)

Barack Obama (2009-2011)
Joe Biden (2011-2017)
Hillary Clinton (2017-2025)

(D) Barack Obama (2009-2013)
(R) Sarah Palin (2013-2021)
(R) John Thune (2021-2029)

Good Obama Presidency
Barack Obama 2009-2017
Joe Biden 2017-2021
Jon Huntsman 2021-2029
Kirsten Gillibrand 2029-2037

Mediocre Obama Presidency
Barack Obama 2009-2017
John Thune 2017-2025
Gabrielle Giffords 2025-2029
Aaron Schock 2029-2037

Bad Obama Presidency
Barack Obama 2009-2013
Mitt Romney 2013-2021
Bobby Jindal 2021-2025
Luke Ravenstahl 2025-2032

Yawn. So we're still going from 2012, even thiygh this thread precludes it?

Barack Obama: 2009-2013
Bobby Jindal:2013-2017
Brad Henry:2016-2024

I haven't seen mention of Brad Henry as a presidential candidate in years, even on this site. It's good to see that again.

Ha. Interesting. I notice how he doesn't serve the full two terms. What's up there?

Al Gore -> John Kerry -> Barack Obama -> Brad Henry?

Please explain the primary voter's major shift in ideology.

That seems impossible to imagine, for a simple reason : if Obama stays in office for 2 terms, and so do his successors, that will mean 2037. The potential candidates in 2037 are today 20 or 30 years old ! Nobody could know them today...

Barack Obama 2009-2011
Joseph Biden 2011-2013
Mitt Romney 2013-2017
John Thune 2017-2025

Ok, I will imagine...

Barack Obama : 2009-2017
John Edwards : 2017-2025
*a moderate republican* : 2025-...

I'm highly doubtful of Edwards; he ran for and lost the nomination twice and is not terribly popular in his home state of North Carolina. I think that Sebelius, Henry, or Napolitano would be more realistic; heck, Newsom would be more realistic as well. Also, its not likely that either party will have two 2-term presidents in a row.

Here's my prediction - very loose, as predictions this far in advance should be:
(Obama - current)
Huntsman,  Jindal, or Sanford (in 2012 or 2016)
Sebelius, Napolitano, or Henry (in 2020)
Jindal, Flake, Drolet, or Haridopolis (in 2024 or 2028)

Why not Edwards ? Lot of things can happen in 8 years... If it's not Edwards, it will be Clinton or Biden, but I'm sure that we'll have at least 12 years of democratic government.

Edwards dug himself one of the deepest political graves by cheating on his wife (who happens to be suffering from cancer) and there are rumors that he fathered his mistress' child.

I thought he was caught in TWO affairs...

Yes, I see... Rumors are very ( too ) importants in politics. But with a good communication, everyone can make people forget them ( Nixon and Clinton are best examples ). I don't want to assume that he will become president, I just wanted to immagine this.

Yeah are you sure Rick didn't have a mistress?

2009-2017 Barack Obama
2017-2021 Tim Pawlenty
2021-2025 Jeff Flake

2009-2013: Barack Obama(D-IL)/Joe Biden(D-DE)
2013-2021: Jon Huntsman, Jr(R-UT)/Charlie Crist(R-FL)
2021-2025:Charlie Crist(R-FL)/Susan M. Collins(R-ME)
2025-: Mary Landrieu(D-LA)/Deval Patrick(D-MA)

Mitt Romney (2013-2017)
Barack Obama (2017-2021)
George Bush (2021-2029)

Barack Obama 2009-2017
Russ Feingold 2017-2021
Bobby Jindal 2021-2029

Why only one term for Pawlenty... does Flake primary him, or does he retire?

2017-2025: John Thune
2025-2029: Mark Warner
2029-2037: George P. Bush

Flake is Pawlenty's running mate in 2016. Pawlenty declines to run in 2020 for whatever reason. I wanted to make things interesting.

Bad Obama presidency:
2012-2016 Mark Sanford/Tim Pawlenty
2016-2024 Hilary Clinton/Mark Warner
2024-2028 Bobby Jindal/Eric Cantor

Good Obama Presidency:
2016-2024 Clinton/Warner
2024-2032 Jindal/Palin
2032- unknown

Ron Paul or Mark Sanford or Gary Johnson 2013-2021

Don't know about the rest.

Are you serious?

He's a Paul supporter. They're all serious when they say that.

Barack Obama (2009-2013)
Newt Gingrich (2013-2017)
Barack Obama (2017-2021)
John Thune (2021-2029)

45. Olympia Snowe (2017-2021) ... as a Democrat!

46, 47... you tell me how the Democratic Party splits.

45. some southern republican (2017-2021)
46. some western democrat (2021-2029)
47. the preceding president's VP (2029-2033)

After Barack Obama 2009-2013

Mitt Romney 2013-2021
Jeb Bush 2021-2025
Mark Pryor 2025-2033

Obama is 44...and 46. :P

:)

Also, LOL at Romney and Jeb Bush.

Yep.

How about this?

Barack Obama (2009-2013)
Mike Huckabee (2013-2017)
Brian Schweitzer (2017-2025)
Aaron Schock (2025-2033)

Barack Obama/Joe Biden 2009-2017
Hillary Clinton/Evan Byah 2017-2021
Bobby Jindal/Sarah Palin 2021-2029
Tony Reyes/Alex Kostal 2029-2037

Obama/Biden 2009 - 2017
Clinton/Sebelius 2017 - 2025
Jindal/Bush 2025 -

George P. Bush Jeb Bush's Son is selected for vice presidency

I just noticed how many Palin predictions there were in the early posts of this thread (summer 2008).  Now hardly anyone seems to want to show an inkling of support for her.

Obama : 2009-2017
Biden or Clinton or someone else : 2017-2025
A moderate western republican : 2025-2033
A radical progressive democrat : 2033-2037

Obama 2009-2017
A current Democratic governor or senator (probably Mark Warner) 2017-2023
A mid-western, moderate Republican 2023-2031
A southern Democrat 2031-2039

(2017-2021) John Thune
(2021-2025) Brian Schweitzer
(2025-2031) Kelsey Grammer

Barrack Obama 2009-2017
Jon Huntsman   2017-2025
Unknown GOP VP 2025-2029

Mitt Romney - 2013-2021
Mark Warner - 2021-2025
Bobby Jindal - 2025-2029

^ same as that

Barack Obama (2009-2010)
Joe Biden (2010-2013)
Unknown Republican (2013-)

My suspicion is that the economy will collapse entirely sometime between now and 2010. We'll be racked by high crime and civil unrest culminating in Obama being assassinated. Hope I'm wrong.

Now now, don't be too optimistic here. ::)

As for my predictions:

Mitt Romney (2013-2021)
Moderate Western Democrat (2021-2029)
Moderate libertarian Republican (2029-2033/2027)

Give me a reason to and I will be.

The odds that a Republican would win in that scenario in 2012 are not high, though if there were an ugly Hillary-Biden Primary, possible. Given the current verbal climate, too many people would associate an assassination with elements in the Conservative movement.

I think that would be a factor, but when you have close to 1/4th or 1/3rd of the population out of work after about four years of promises people will be tired of the Democrats (and possibly the Republicans too). Anyway I'd give Obama about 50/50 chance of making it out of his term but I'm completely convinced now that we're heading towards something which dwarfs the Great Depression. I honestly wish I could share the optimism of 90% of this board but when China and co are moving away from the currency at the same time we're spending record amounts I really don't see this ending well.

I doubt we will get that bad. If the US imploded to that degree it causes such critical problems for China and India that they need us. Plus the US is insulated far better than Europe. You see there are two places for money in the world: US treasuries and stocks. When stocks go down, the dollar goes up. For all this talk about inflation, the dollar has been the strongest its been in a decade during the height of the financial crisis. It is still trading 20% above where it was a year ago.

The people who are in real trouble is Europe, especially the UK which is engaging in our spending without any of the safeguards we have.

Barack Obama - 2009-2017
Sarah Palin 2017-2025
John Thune 2025-current

Barack Obama 2009-2017
Jon Huntsman 2017-2021
Hilda Solis/Kirsten Gilibrand 2021-2028

There's no point to this! But what the hell…

No. 44: Barack Obama (D-Illinois)
No. 45: Claire McCaskill (D-Missouri)
No. 46: Aaron Schock (R-Illinois)

(2017-2025) Bob McDonnell
(2025-2029) Harold Ford
(2029-2037) Meghan McCain

Romney beats Obama over the economy, picks Charlie Christ
Crist loses to Mark Warner
Warner's VP, Clinton, wins over  Jindal

Haley Barbour (2013-2017)
Hillary Clinton (2017-2021)
Jeb Bush (2021-2029)

Mitt Romney (2013-2021)
John Thune (2021-2029)
Unknown Western Democrat (2029-2037)

Palin (2013-2021)
Herseth-Sandlin (2021-2029)
Thune (2029-??)

Gov. Romney/Gov. Hutchison- 2013-2021
Sen. Warner/Gov. Herseth-Sandlin- 2021-2025
Gov. Becky Skillman/Sen. Tagg Romney- 2025-???

Barack Obama, Thune, and Cuomo.

Naso, why do you keep doing this?

hi everyone !  im new here...

This is a tough one, but...

Barack Obama (2009-2017)
Sarah Palin (2017-2021)
Patrick Murphy (2021-2029)

Barack Obama (2009- 2017)
John Thune (2017- 2025)
Who the Hell Knows? (2025- ????)

Mitt Romney(2013-2021)
Charlie Crist(2021-2025)
Some Unknown Democrat(2025-2033)

Pigs will fly before McCain run agains

This tread make absolutelly no sense other than just for fun

First of all, It's too earlty to predict anything

Second of all, save well-know names. They getting older and older and by 2016 (assuming Obama winning reelection) we'll rather see new names and faces, someone you'd not consider right now

Seriously, who would say in 2005 that Obama will be Bush successor. All right, many people thought aldready he may be President someday: someday, certainly not so quick.

I think we can pretty safely predict a group of candidates who could plausibly win the 2012 GOP nomination:

Sarah Palin
Mike Huckabee
Mit Romney
Newt Gingrich
John Thune
Bobby Jindal
Charlie Crist
Haley Barbour

Now odds are that they will loose, if only because the GOP is in such dire straits and I think Obama's worst case scenario is something like Bush in 2004. So then the key is who gives the keynote address or who REALLY makes a scene, like if Rubio was to beat Crist for the GOP nomination in FLA. My bet would be Thune for the GOP in 2016, and lets say he faces Biden, well then he probably wins. If he faces Hillary, then its a tossup, and if he faces a popular moderate (Warner, Schweitzer, Kaine) then he prolly looses. Anyway, just for fun here is my guess

Barack Obama-D 2009-2017
John Thune-R 2017-2021
Western or Hispanic Democrat-D 2021?

I personally see Hispanics becoming the next Irish Catholics in the Dem Party, as in running the party machinery within the next 20 years.

Pawlenty should be on that list.  Way more likely than, say, Charlie Crist, who is almost certainly not running in 2012.

With respect, such an exercise doesn't really work unless you were following politics closely all those decades ago.  You write for example that it would be crazy to pick Reagan as a future president in the mid-70s because of his age.  But Dole was widely viewed as a potential 1996 candidate as early as 1992, despite the fact that no one over 70 had ever won the nomination of either major party.  So it's possible that Reagan was widely viewed as a likely challenger in 1980 years in advance.  I don't know, because I'm not old enough to have been following politics back then.

Likewise, Bush was a darkhorse possibility for Ford's VP in 1976.  It's possible that he was being discussed as a possible future presidential candidate as far back as the first year of Carter's term.  Though I don't know if he was or not, because I wasn't around then.  And people were apparently talking about Clinton as a future presidential candidate in the 1980s (though again, I'm too young to have been following politics back then, so I'm just repeating what I've read).

You're right that we are very unlikely to guess the exact circumstances under which someone becomes president in the future, but there's a very good chance that one or more of the names mentioned in this thread will someday be president.  Most recent presidents were known at least to political junkies at least 8 years in advance of them being elected.  Not GW Bush or Obama, true, they both came on the scene less than 8 years before being president.  But it's too early to say whether that's an aberration or the new normal.

That's pretty much how 2008 was. Obama really was just a freshman state legislator when W. was first sworn in. Then again, John McCain was almost nominated instead of W. and appear on the ballot for his party in 2008. So. You can ask yourself this question- at the start of his forerunner's presidency, how many times was the next president actually known to the American People? In 1994, Bush took the nation by storm in the Contract On America by becoming Governor of Texas. In 1980, Herbert Walker was already the VEEP. In 1976, Reagan had been floating around forever. In 1968, very few people knew who Carter was and I am not sure that he was even a Governor yet. In 1960, Nixon was already Vice President. In 1953, JFK was in his 30s and had just gotten out of the Navy. In 1945, people already saw Eisenhower as one of the greatest statemen that America had or would ever have...both parties sought for him to join as he made the likes of Snowe or Schuler look radical....before 1945, I wonder whether people thought that FDR would ever leave..

You know they'll be old, don't you?

Obama's rise still astounds me. That'd be like me retiring from the U.S. Air Force at 41, running for the State Senate, two years later the U.S. Senate, then four years later being elected President.

Whose got money on me :D

Sarah Palin : 2013-2021
Jim Webb : 2021-2025
Trey Grayson : 2025-????

I don't think Palin could even be nominee in 2012 after her suspicious resignation. Well, she's still "young" and may want until 2016 or 2020.

You realize Webb would be 74 in 2021?

to 2017       Barack Hussein (D, IL)
2017-2021  Jon Huntsman    (D, UT)
2021-??     

I don't have the Party identification wrong on Huntsman; he will have left or been purged from the Republican Party.  By 2018 the Republican Party will have gone the way of the Federalists and Whigs (or States' Rights at the absolute worst; in 1968 one of its few card-carrying members was James Earl Ray). By 2020 the Democratic Party is so unwieldy that it splits into a Social Democratic Party and a Christian Democratic Party as American politics become more ... European.

in your dreams Democrat.

No, in your nightmares -- if you have any wisdom.

The GOP needs to develop a different coalition if it is to have any continuing relevance as a political entity. Show me the formation of a new coalition (because current young voters are not going GOP) and you just might have a revived Republican Party.

That's a good point. In most of European countries such people as Brownback, Bush, Coburn of Inhofe would be nothing more than a bunch of fringe politicians without any significance and probably out of any parliament. But in U.S. they are, scary to say, in some way mainstream.

Well, even in Poland in worst case guys like Bush, Coburn or DeMint woule be members of some very fringe, minor party as present League of Polish Families :P

The same applies to people like Bernie Sanders, Dennis Kucinich or Barbara Boxer. According to U.S. standarts they are "far-left", but in Europe they'd regular social democrats.

Hmmm... and the US is the most economically successful country at the moment and, if trends continue, will recover from this recession faster than many European countries.

Anyway, the Republicans aren't going anywhere. There's a reason they've survived 150 years.

Not really...

Welcome.  Where from?

I met Pat before, but that's wishful thinking.

I'm from Pennsylvania and I can tell you are too.

Yes, let's think about that - in 2001, the next President of the United States LOST a congressional primary, if you go back to 1993, the second next President was a 31-year-old law professor.

I don't think ANYONE knows who the President in 2012, 2016, 2020 will be.  It could be someone that doesn't even land on the political radar right now...

I just have this gut feeling though about Al Franken.  I think he might be the nominee in 2016.  Yes, I know, President Franken?  First Lady Franni Franken?  It sounds so odd...but yet, if you told someone eight years ago in my home state of Pennsylvania that a man by the name of Barack Hussein Obama would be the President in 2008, they'd say "What the **** are you smoking?".

Wouldn't write him off.  Pat Murphy does have potential, but I don't think it's likely.  I'm thinking he's gonna be asked to keep that Congressional seat for sometime because the GOP bench in Bucks is too deep and the Dems don't really have much of one.  I would like to see Russ Feingold.

Here's my picks:

Barack Obama (D, 2009-2017)
Russ Feingold (D, 2017-2021)
George P. Bush or some moderate Republican because me think the GOP will get their heads out of their asses by then (R, 2021-2029) 

I still think Chris Christie has huge potential though I admit my bias

....and the U.S. is one of the fattest countries. I think our greed is a double-edged sword. If you are greedy, but  your life up, you will just be another fat ass. If you are greedy and succeed, you can hire someone to put you on a diet, or "just have the surger(ies)" and be rich AND hot. Very nice.

...back to the topic at hand. The Democrats and Republicans have about a 60% chance to survive as long as the United States Constitution isn't been overturned. That could be 50 years or even a few years. That could be 2000 years or even more. I would say that in the other 40%, it would probably be that one wing of one party that cannot be dislodged even when their leadership has caused ruin. If this happens, one party will probably start to splinter into a bunch of third parties and a new 2nd party will eventually come back, with the help of moderates from the dominant party. The wheels could have been set in motion if the Democrats lost in 2006 or lost in 2008 and let McCain have his way (or if both happened- 2006 to start the process and 2008 to reenforce it). I would give it a 5% that any party would become totally dominant for more than 10 years. You could say that the dems did this between 1930 and 1950 or the pubs did between 1896 and 1912, but the party was only the "best" party in America because there was an anti-administration coalition between moderates and the minority party. There was the "Progressive/Bull-Moose Coalition" or the "Southern/Conservative Coalition", for example. However, in these times, its unlikely that a "Coalition" would actually form outside of getting the public option dropped for a co-op plan. There are just too many angry rednecks and angry hippies. So, if anger is allowed to stew for more than say 3 or 4 elections of one-party dominance, the other party will start to break up. So, a second party forming straight from the moderates of another party doesn't make much sense.

And a name change. I wouldn't vote for Bill Billie, George Georgie, or Barack Barackie. I'm definitely not voting for a Chris Christie.

See. This is why I have so much contempt for Ron Paul. He has two first names. And I will be damned if I ever trust a dude, or chick for that matter, that has two first names.

Great. :D

Barack H. Obama 2009 - 2017 (massive takeover of congress by Republicans, aka Clinton 2)
R - Sarah H. Palin 2017 - 2025 (Next Reagan)
R - Whoever Palin picks as VP 2026 - 2031 (who will be defeated in a landslide election by democrats)

oh god.

LOL, no. The two-party system survived the Democrats' screwing over their pivotal white Southern demographic; it'll survive anything.

D: Barack Obama 2009-17
R: Charlie Crist  2017-21
D: Andrew Cuomo 2021-

Mitt Romney loses to Obama
Charlie Crist beats Russ Feingold
Andrew Cuomo beats Crist.

I just can't see Crist. Jeb Bush is more likely.

If Crist ever gets put on a national ticket, I would consider going independent.  What a terrible man...

I only disagree with his participation with the stimulus. Why is he thought of as a RINO? Remind me.

people think he's gay, so he won't be a good national contender. I don't think he's really a RINO.

Endorsing Obama's package (the stimulus package)

He only endorsed it because the economy in FL is really bad, and no other options were presented to him. It's not like he could say "screw helping FL" for money that would be spent frivolously anyways.

That kind of just makes him a weasel then.  He could have cut spending massively like my state did and even CA, for all the crap that went on with budget reconciliation - though the IOUs are psychotic - did.  Crist is a big spender.

Doesn't make him a RINO. Look at 2000-2006.

This is how I see it.

I will take a look at that and form a more educated opinion of him.  Though, my liberal buddies just love him to death and that's a warning sign...

Do you support Crist or Rubio?

Liberals loved McCain, too, until he actually ran against one. then they hated him.

And that's exactly how you tell which candidates not to run in a general election campaign.  Whenever media or anyone in the Democrat party heap lavish praise upon a republican, you know... Even George Soros helped McCain with financial donations during the primary season.

And turncoat Colin Powell did too.

Exactly.  Now Powell is out giving speeches about how the American people WANT to pay more taxes, want more government control.  McCain was exactly the model republican that types like Powell wanted to have in government.  Years from now, both John McCain and Powell will be irrelevant.  They will never have presented a choice, or changed the country for the better and will wash away with all of the moderates of civilization.

I think McCain did a good job as a Senator, but Powell I lost respect for.

McCain can be a fairly good senator when he wants to be and is running for reelection.  Don't kid yourself - the only reason he has been so anti Obama as of late is 1) because he's a bit bitter as senator and 2) because he's up in 2010 for reelection - hence the no on Sotomayor vote

McCain is safe anyways. No primary or Democrat will stop him. He is free to vote as he wishes.

Only retirement - even then, we will likely still have the senate seat.  It is very difficult for a democrat to win statewide here.  They have to be incredibly well funded, incredibly talented at faking moderate or truly being moderate to win.  Napolitano faked moderate and was talented at doing so.  Now as DHS secretary she can let her freak flag fly and show her true inner liberal.

napolitano and sebelius seem very similar to me. But Jon Kyl as Senator is basically proof that AZ is more Republican than people seem to think.

Yep, and so is John Shadegg.  Harry Mitchell has had to vote against several of Obama's bills and he's a democrat.  Kyl could actually be president one day - I doubt it though.

He is a hardline conservative with a voice of reason, not a Jim DeMint or Tom Coburn. I have respect for Jon Kyl.

1. Obama (2009 - 2013)
2. Jon Kyl (2013 - 2021)
3. Robert Byrd aka Kleagle (2021 - 2022)

Wtf?

A decision is made by the democratic party to freeze Robert Byrd cryogenically in his former KKK duds and bring him out on the campaign trail.  The slogan is "Kleagle Kan!".  After winning election, telepaths communicate with his cryotube over a year until one of them accidentally spills their cup of coffee on the plug outlet and short circuits the tube.  The nation mourns.

LOL! I remember him saying there are "white n-words too" and right after the interview his office put out an apology ahahaha.

Yes, wouldn't it be hilarious if that happened.  I can even see the democrats being like: "How are you demeaning a man in a cryotube?" There would be a new protest movement that arises called "The Tubers" who will say that Kleagle is in an entirely different cryotube and that democrats placed Rosie O'Donnell within in order to keep her from harming any other poor koosh balls.

I have nothing to add.  I just wanted to make the quotebox even larger.  IIRC, if you nest enough quotes, it eventually breaks.

O Rly?

Lets find out.

That's not true. It doesn't.

First red avatar, woohoo!