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Title: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Ronnie on June 09, 2008, 12:27:14 AM
I mean, Clinton won the state in both '92 and '96 (even though the Republican candidates would have won it if Ross Perot wasn't on the ballot).  He was a senator for the state from 1985 to 1993, and was close with the state.

I just don't understand why Gore would write off his home state.  If he would have campaigned there just a little bit, there would be a good chance that he would be our president of the United States.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 09, 2008, 12:41:57 AM
Wrong board.

EDIT: Fixed.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 09, 2008, 12:43:52 AM
He would've been defeated in 2004 anyway by McCain, so he would've only served one term.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Ebowed on June 09, 2008, 01:06:12 AM
Gore was perceived as too liberal.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: 12th Doctor on June 09, 2008, 02:30:32 AM
And he really wasn't a native of the state in any meaningful way.  He grew up in D.C. and spent only his summers in the state.  When he became a Congressman and then a Senator, he basically only spent campaign season there.  He didn't speak like them.  He didn't act like them.  He wasn't one of them.

Many people called this to happen early in the process, and yet no one in the media really believed it until election night.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: auburntiger on June 09, 2008, 02:44:16 AM
You all pretty much summed it up. I remember Election Day 2000 that was the first election that I really paid any attention. I didn't really pay attention to individual states polls, just national ones, so I would have had no idea that Massachusetts was supposed to be a blue state or Alabama was to be red state. Anything that turned red on the map called for excessive cheering.

I was VERY surprised that Gore lost Tennessee, living in Memphis, I thought the state would vote the way we did. I was happy it didn't nonetheless :)

I do think Gore would have carried TN had he run against McCain that year.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: minionofmidas on June 09, 2008, 05:31:18 AM
even though the Republican candidates would have won it if Ross Perot wasn't on the ballot.
Eh. Where do Republicans get this silly idee from that Perot's 92 voters would have favored them if Perot had somehow disappeared? All the evidence suggests it would have been a wash.

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I just don't understand why Gore would write off his home state.  If he would have campaigned there just a little bit.
I seem to recall that he did.

He would've been defeated in 2004 anyway by McCain, so he would've only served one term.
Possibly... probably not though. If Bush could get reelected thanks to 9-11, anyone could.

And he really wasn't a native of the state in any meaningful way.  He grew up in D.C. and spent only his summers in the state.  When he became a Congressman and then a Senator, he basically only spent campaign season there.  He didn't speak like them.  He didn't act like them.  He wasn't one of them.
Check 2004's biggest swings if you believe Gore didn't get a sizeable home state advantage bump. Unlike John Kerry, by the way. "Gore's not really from Tennessee" was, of course, a major Republican campaign theme/media talking point during 2000. It probably influenced some people... but not nearly enough to swing the state.

Gore was perceived as too liberal.
Bingo. In a nationally close someone-like-Gore vs someone-like-Bush election, Tennessee as it stands now (with far more suburbs than 30 years ago, that is) is safe for the Bush guy.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: TomC on June 09, 2008, 09:24:32 AM
He didn't speak like them.  He didn't act like them.  He wasn't one of them.

He speaks, acts and is like some of us.

He was too liberal in a state that has been growing more conservative. The entire South has been trnding GOP as other parts of the country have been trending Dem.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Joe Republic on June 09, 2008, 10:00:01 AM
He would've been defeated in 2004 anyway by McCain, so he would've only served one term.

That was certainly an excellent answer to the question.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Torie on June 09, 2008, 10:02:25 AM
The conventional wisdom is that Perot took votes from Bush in the South, and from Clinton in the North.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Mr.Phips on June 09, 2008, 12:08:27 PM
The conventional wisdom is that Perot took votes from Bush in the South, and from Clinton in the North.

I am wondering what would have happened without Perot on the ballot in 1992.  I think Clinton would have likely lost Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee in the South, Ohio and Wisconsin in the midwest, and Nevada, Colorado, and Montana in the West.  I think he also would have lost New Jersey.  This would have given Bush a 269-267 EV victory.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Torie on June 09, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
Your statement assumes that Perot pulled votes net in the North from Bush. That is not the conventional wisdom. I am sure that if you did a google on this, something would pop up regarding this north versus south distinction.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: © tweed on June 09, 2008, 02:20:23 PM
From DC Not Tennessee!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: RJ on June 09, 2008, 05:05:56 PM
I think it's worth pointing out that Gore's opponent in 2000 was a southerner. An artificial one at that, but still percieved as a southerner.

I am wondering what would have happened without Perot on the ballot in 1992.  I think Clinton would have likely lost Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee in the South, Ohio and Wisconsin in the midwest, and Nevada, Colorado, and Montana in the West.  I think he also would have lost New Jersey.  This would have given Bush a 269-267 EV victory.

That sure is a lot of speculation that all of those states would have gone in the Bush column. 269 electoral votes is still not a victory in a presidential election, either. 270 is needed to win.

I still can't quite figure out why people have this mythical belief that Perot cost Bush the election in 1992. I remember it well since it was the first election I voted in. I also remember doing a paper in College about how Perot's presence cut into Clinton's lead at the time. Clinton won by about 5 and a half points in 1992. It would take an unreasonable split of about 65-35 of Perot's votes in Bush's favor just to even things out nationally, and I don't even want to speculate what if scenarios in each individual state to get a different result.

Anywho, there's a whole lot of proof in the facts. The telltale one to me that involves no speculation is that in 1992 when Perot was more of a factor, Clinton won the popular vote by 5.5% as I covered earlier. When he(Perot) had less influence in 1996, Clinton won by a much wider margin(almost 9% nationally.)


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: JSojourner on June 09, 2008, 05:09:08 PM
Didn't you hear?  Democrats were paying homeless drunks to vote for them in Florida.  And Republicans in Arkansas and Tennessee were holding gun raffles for people who agreed to vote for Bush...

Seriously -- Gore lost Tennessee because, as someone has already said, he was perceived as too liberal.  Combine that with Clinton fatigue and The Decider's ability to come off like one of the Dukes of Hazard..."Just a good 'ol boy, never meanin' no harm..." and you have a pretty understandable win for Beelzebush throughout the south.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on June 09, 2008, 05:12:53 PM
Gore took the state for granted.  If he had campaigned more there, and maybe used Bill more as well, he could have pulled out a victory.  Same goes for New Hampshire and Florida.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Ronnie on June 09, 2008, 06:15:25 PM
Huh?  He was a Tennessee senator from 1985 to 1993.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: TomC on June 09, 2008, 08:19:32 PM
Some people wish to claim that the Gore family spent so much of their time representing TN in DC that they are not Tennesseans. Gore went to school some in DC while his father worked there- representing Tennessee. After Vietnam, Gore worked for a Nashville paper covering politics and uncovering corruption. He attended Vanderbilt Divinity School in Nashville, he represented TN from 1977 to 1993, had a home here, and came home to campaign every year. The notion that he lived somewhere else is just as true for any other Washington DC Representative- you've got to go where the work is.

Tennessee became more conservative and more Republican. When he became VP, he- thankfully- abandoned some of his more conservative positions.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: © tweed on June 09, 2008, 09:13:16 PM
Huh?  He was a Tennessee senator from 1985 to 1993.

my quote was a sort-of slogan from some Southerners resentful of Gore during the 2000 election time period.  it was not meant to be taken literally.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Nym90 on June 10, 2008, 01:17:38 AM
And he really wasn't a native of the state in any meaningful way.  He grew up in D.C. and spent only his summers in the state.  When he became a Congressman and then a Senator, he basically only spent campaign season there.  He didn't speak like them.  He didn't act like them.  He wasn't one of them.

Many people called this to happen early in the process, and yet no one in the media really believed it until election night.

In all fairness, John McCain's ties to Arizona are no stronger, perhaps even less so. But yes, I agree that by 2000 Gore had lost touch with Tennessee. He won every county in the state in 1990 in his Senate reelection bid, so the aforementioned problems you mention clearly weren't issues until after he left the state.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: HardRCafé on June 10, 2008, 05:00:38 AM
Because Gore '00 had none of the same positions as Gore '88.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Adlai Stevenson on June 10, 2008, 06:06:11 AM
From The Almanac of American Politics 2006:

'This movement was still strong enough for the Clinton-Gore ticket to carry Tennessee 47%-42% in 1992.  But the narrowness of the margin was a warning of what was ahead.  In 1994 Tennessee turned against the Clinton administration and produced a kind of political revolution.  Republican Fred Thompson, famous as a Watergate investigator and movie actor, won the remainder of Gore's Senate term by a landslide, surgeon Bill Frist beat (Jim) Sasser, and Republican Don Sundquist was elected Governor.  Republicans won a majority of the vote for the U.S. House, gaining two seats and coming close in a third.  The Republican trend was strong enough in 1996 that only after extraordinary efforts - Gore made 16 appearances here and the campaign pumped money in for late ads - was the Clinton-Gore ticket able to win by a narrow 48%-46% margin.
    In 2000 the tide was even stronger.  George W. Bush targeted the state early and worked it energetically; the Gore campaign, though headquartered in Nashville, seemed to assume it would come round in the end, and only campaigned hard here in the last few days.  Bush carried the state 51%-47%...In his gracious concession speech, Gore noted that he had some fence-mending to do in Tennessee, but the problem was not that he was personally unpopular; the problem was that the issue positions and cultural tone of the Clinton-Gore administration was alien and grating in rural Tennessee and in the suburban subdivisions expanding from Nashville and other cities out into the countryside...In 2004 Bush carried Tennessee by a solid 57%-43% (technically 56%-42%) margin and Republicans won the popular vote for the House and, for the first time since Reconstruction, elected a majority of state senators.'


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: dead0man on June 10, 2008, 07:48:47 AM
I love the "Gore was perceived as a liberal" comments.  Sure, he twists in the wind as much as any politico seeking more power, but the guy certainly leans pretty far to the left for an American mainstream politician.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: J. J. on June 10, 2008, 09:14:59 AM
The conventional wisdom is that Perot took votes from Bush in the South, and from Clinton in the North.

I am wondering what would have happened without Perot on the ballot in 1992.  I think Clinton would have likely lost Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, and Tennessee in the South, Ohio and Wisconsin in the midwest, and Nevada, Colorado, and Montana in the West.  I think he also would have lost New Jersey.  This would have given Bush a 269-267 EV victory.

In looking at 1992, I'm convinced that Perot did not change the outcome.  I would have been closer, Bush would had more EV's, but below 270.

That said, TN would have been a tossup in 1992.  By 2000, Gore had moved substantially to the left of where he was 1992.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: RJ on June 10, 2008, 06:43:11 PM
In looking at 1992, I'm convinced that Perot did not change the outcome.  I would have been closer, Bush would had more EV's, but below 270.

That said, TN would have been a tossup in 1992.  By 2000, Gore had moved substantially to the left of where he was 1992.

I'll at least agree that someone(namely a Republican) has accepted that Perot would not have changed the outcome of that election and leave it at that.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: minionofmidas on June 11, 2008, 10:53:49 AM
Re Adlai: In other words:

2000:

https://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/GENERAL/TREND/pe2000tnd.png

2004:

https://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/GENERAL/TREND/pe2004tnd.png

Thank you.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Nym90 on July 29, 2008, 10:20:46 PM
My prediction of the 1992 map without Perot...

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Perot makes all the difference for George Bush. It has often been suggested that when polled, 2/3 of the Perot voters said that they would have voted for Bush and the other 1/3 would have voted for Clinton.


That wasn't true based on the exit polls for 1992, which show they would've split evenly....so I'm not sure who is "often suggesting" it, but they aren't basing it off of any empirical evidence.

Also, don't forget that a lot of Perot's voters simply would've stayed home in 1992 if he hadn't run....and that they were pretty universally dissatisfied with the state of affairs in the nation, thus making them quite disinclined to vote to reelect the incumbent.

I think Perot did help Clinton, but no more than 1-2 percent nationally, and may have actually helped Bush in some areas, such as the Northeast (though Clinton won all of it anyway).


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: NDN on July 30, 2008, 12:39:50 AM
I love the "Gore was perceived as a liberal" comments.  Sure, he twists in the wind as much as any politico seeking more power, but the guy certainly leans pretty far to the left for an American mainstream politician.
Maybe now but certainly not then.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: WillK on November 25, 2008, 02:02:50 PM
I mean, Clinton won the state in both '92 and '96 (even though the Republican candidates would have won it if Ross Perot wasn't on the ballot).  He was a senator for the state from 1985 to 1993, and was close with the state.   ...

You were doing ok until the last part of your comment. 
During the Clinton years TN was moving in a conservative direction and Gore was moving in a liberal direction. 


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Beet on November 25, 2008, 02:14:12 PM
^^^^^^

This. Gore had been in D.C. for 8 years, and he wasn't really associated with Tennessee anymore. Even when he was a "Tennessee guy", that was the pre-1994 Tennessee as you note, and the politics of the state changed completely right after he left. Had he remained a Senator there it's not even certain he would have been re-elected. But by 2000 he was certainly a D.C. guy. Early in the season his campaign HQ was based on D.C., and he then moved it to Tennessee in what was widely praised as the correct decision but also seen as a crass political move.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: bhouston79 on February 07, 2009, 11:03:43 AM
Gore lost Tennessee because he choose not to campaign there at all.  Gore could have won his home state with just a little bit of effort.  He only lost the state by 4 percentage points, and that was without any campaigning in the state.  Gore carrying Tennessee would have made the difference too, as the Volunteer state's 11 electoral votes would have put him over the top.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on April 27, 2010, 07:09:22 PM
Because he flip-flopped on abortion and gay rights once he became VP. Also, his lack of charisma and Bush Jr.'s Southern heritage helped Gore lose TN as well.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on April 27, 2010, 07:58:58 PM
He really hadn't lived there for 8 years and even before that he was in the senate and not living there. The democrats changed noticeably throughout the 90's in terms of public image and notion of the southern democrat had by 2000 been gone.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 07:04:59 PM
Gore never even made an attempt there he lost by 40,000 votes, if he puts his efforts there instead of florida he wins.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on May 15, 2010, 08:53:16 PM
Gore did a number of things wrong.

1. his home state
2. pulling out of Ohio
3. not being able to win Arkansas or long time West Virginia
4. gun control cost him AR, TN, WV, and OH
5. being boring
6. I'm considering adding him to my list of worst candidates with Mondale and Dukakis.
7. couldn't capitalize on Clinton's approval ratings


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 09:54:25 PM
Lol George Bush's souther heritage? REALLY, REALLY REALLY? lololololol He was born in New Haven, Conneticut, and educated in ivy leauge schools. He was nothing more than an ivy leauge northeastern elitist with a souther drawl. Southern herigate get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on May 15, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
Lol George Bush's souther heritage? REALLY, REALLY REALLY? lololololol He was born in New Haven, Conneticut, and educated in ivy leauge schools. He was nothing more than an ivy leauge northeastern elitist with a souther drawl. Southern herigate get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He lived in Texas almost his entire life (he moved there as a kid) and he was governor there for six years. If that isn't SOuthern heritage, I don't know what is.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on May 15, 2010, 10:08:18 PM
While it's true that he wasn't born in Texas, he's the textbook Texan as I myself hope to be someday. I wasn't born in Texas, but I got there as fast as I could. That's the way to put it. Let the Lone Star rise again.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 10:09:05 PM
Born in conneticut to a northeastern elitist family, no sir i am sorry he was carpetbagger, he was not a southerner. I am from the south just because you get transplanted here and can talk a good game it doesnt make you a southerner.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on May 15, 2010, 10:41:07 PM
Born in conneticut to a northeastern elitist family, no sir i am sorry he was carpetbagger, he was not a southerner. I am from the south just because you get transplanted here and can talk a good game it doesnt make you a southerner.

I'm sure most Southererns did not view Bush Jr. as a carpetbagger. I mean, even Lincoln was born in Kentucky, yet Illinoisians treated and still treat him as one of their own.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 10:49:32 PM
Most educated southerners do, but Bush is good at appealing to the common man so he could play off act like a southerner.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on May 15, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
Most educated southerners do, but Bush is good at appealing to the common man so he could play off act like a southerner.

I agree with you about the second part. Many ordinary Southerners thought Bush Jr. was one of them, despite the fact that he was rich. Do you think Obama is a carpetbagger? Because by your reasoning, he is--he was born in Hawaii, and then moved to Illinois later.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 10:57:58 PM
LOL. A carpet bagger is a yankee who moved south to get rich. So no i wouldnt classify Obama as a carpet bagger.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on May 15, 2010, 11:02:58 PM
Most educated southerners do, but Bush is good at appealing to the common man so he could play off act like a southerner.

That ranch he used as a prop probably helped.

June 12 1999: Bush declares his candidacy
June 22 1999: Word leaks out that Bush is looking to buy a ranch
Dec. 10 2008: Bush prepares to sell ranch
Jan. 20 2009: Bush leaves office

Bush didn't even try to hide his phoniness here. The lapdog media was never going to call him out on it.



Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on May 15, 2010, 11:05:32 PM
Most educated southerners do, but Bush is good at appealing to the common man so he could play off act like a southerner.

That ranch he used as a prop probably helped.

June 12 1999: Bush declares his candidacy
June 22 1999: Word leaks out that Bush is looking to buy a ranch
Dec. 10 2008: Bush prepares to sell ranch
Jan. 20 2009: Bush leaves office

Bush didn't even try to hide his phoniness here. The lapdog media was never going to call him out on it.



I didn't know Bush sold his ranch. I thought he would just visit it on vacations instead of living there all the time. What source did you get that info from?


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bo on May 15, 2010, 11:07:04 PM
LOL. A carpet bagger is a yankee who moved south to get rich. So no i wouldnt classify Obama as a carpet bagger.

That's the traditional definition. The more modern definition is someone who moves from any one state to another (typically to further one's career or political ambitions). For isntance, many people called Hillary Clinton a carpetbagger when she moved from the South up north to New York in order to get elected to the Senate.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 15, 2010, 11:20:36 PM
I meant it in the traditional sense, thats why the Bush family moved to Texas, and he is correct thats why Bush bought the ranch so he could pretend to be  texan.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: nclib on May 16, 2010, 11:04:11 AM
While I agree that moving to a different state/region, doesn't automatically make you a Southerner/Northerner/etc., but Bush clearly has a lifestyle/values/personal qualities far more similar to the stereotypical Southerner than the stereotypical Northeasterner.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 16, 2010, 05:22:52 PM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: memphis on May 17, 2010, 07:45:02 AM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?
The only thing Bush values:

()


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on May 17, 2010, 11:17:18 AM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?

pro-life (protect sanctity of life)
pro-guns (protect your family)
work your way through life (affirmative action)
abstinence programs (wait for marriage)
Iraq (stopping mass graves)
school choice- parents involvement in their child's education
child tax credit- helping working moms
national security- keeping families safe and sound in their own homes

Yes not everyone agrees with all of these stances but the man had conviction and compassion. He did what he thought was right for the country and did so honestly.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on May 17, 2010, 11:17:58 AM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?
The only thing Bush values:

()

Kerry married Teresa Heinze for her money and they have hundreds of millions more than the Bushes ever will.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: memphis on May 17, 2010, 01:01:53 PM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?
The only thing Bush values:

()

Kerry married Teresa Heinze for her money and they have hundreds of millions more than the Bushes ever will.
Both are incredibly wealthy. The main difference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heinz_Endowments


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 17, 2010, 01:13:24 PM
Toppeling Saddam was the worse thing he did.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: minionofmidas on May 17, 2010, 01:24:39 PM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?
The only thing Bush values:

I don't think George Bush (or John Kerry for that matter) san appreciate the value of any but the largest denominations in that picture...


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on May 17, 2010, 01:47:18 PM
Toppeling Saddam was the worse thing he did.

And that cost Gore Tennessee how?


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: cpeeks on May 17, 2010, 02:30:55 PM
What? it didnt.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: hcallega on May 18, 2010, 05:39:33 PM
Gore lost Tennessee because the state changed, and he moved i the opposite direction. It's one of those situations where voters in TN may have been harsher on him because they knew he flip-flopped, and knew the old Gore. A voter in Maryland would know far less about Gore pre-1992.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Derek on June 03, 2010, 08:07:09 AM
It did move in the opposite direction but not by much. The south of the mid 20th century wouldn't vote for the democrats of today.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Suburbia on November 02, 2014, 05:37:47 PM
Gore lost Tennessee because of the NRA gun ads, the turning of the Republican tide, and that he didn't run a good campaign. He should have won Tennessee and Missouri, and he won't have needed Florida. He ran a foolish campaign.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: Bojack Horseman on November 02, 2014, 06:02:42 PM
Tennessee is in the South, all states in the South were solid red states, Al Gore is a Democrat. That's why.


Title: Re: Please don't get mad at me, but why did Gore lose Tennessee?
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on November 26, 2014, 11:08:14 PM
Explain to me please what values Bush possessed?

pro-life (protect sanctity of life)
pro-guns (protect your family)
work your way through life (affirmative action)
abstinence programs (wait for marriage)
Iraq (stopping mass graves)
school choice- parents involvement in their child's education
child tax credit- helping working moms
national security- keeping families safe and sound in their own homes

Yes not everyone agrees with all of these stances but the man had conviction and compassion. He did what he thought was right for the country and did so honestly.

Is this guy for real?  I have to say, the forum has gotten a lot better since 2008.