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I am asking only for you to judge that statement alone and in itself, not any other statement I have made, or anyone else prone to saying the above has made.

Yes, it is.

It depends on the context of course.

No.  You can definition your way out of Mormons being Christian in a perfectly un-bigoted way.  The motivation behind doing so is wherein the bigotry lies.

'Not that there's anything wrong with that."

"defintion your way out of" sort of implies you have to twist the definition to argue that Mormons aren't Christians. I'd argue the other way around is far more accurate. You could argue Muslims are Christians under any definition that includes Mormons honestly.

How the hell is that bigoted?

The Mormons use a definition of "Christianity" specifically intended to include themselves.  The Protestants/Catholics use a definition specifically intended to limit Christianity.

Plenty of people use "Christian" to mean "a person who worships and believes in the divinity of Christ."  That requires no twisting.

And also includes Muslims.

Since Muslims don't see Jesus as being Christ, it doesn't.

Not this thread again.  For cryin' out loud...

You mean I should've been worshipping 'Isa ibn Maryam this whole time?

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Um, no, Christ, dude.

Edit: John wins.

It depends on how you define Christian.  Under the statement that Mormons believe in the Resurrection, I would say they are.

Who gets to decide who's Christian or not?  I figured I'd leave that up to God.  Only an asshole would tell somebody else what religion they aren't in.

Yeah, pretty much.

Mormons are probably Christians, but that doesn't mean they are not strange or heretical. Then again, most Christians are heretical somehow and all Christians are heretical to at least one other Christian. If someone believes in the divinity of Christ, but you do not believe that they are saved, that person is a "Heretical Christian" in relation to you.

     True, though since God doesn't come down weekly to tell us, people feel the need to tell us. To answer the topic's question though, I don't see anything bigoted about that. Then again, I'm not Christian, so I don't really care who's Christian & who's not.

Its okay, Jim, its okay.  Remember what the book of Hebrews says (I think its Hebrews anyway?  Maybe 2 Peter?), and I paraphrase, "Be prepared to give an account for what you believe."  (Sorry, I am very bad with Scripture Memorization).

In answering the question, I do not believe Mormons are Christians and I also believe the statement above is not a bigoted question.  Its the same context when talking that homosexuality is not a mark of a Christian.  That is not bigoted.

A statement cannot be bigoted if it is true.

I was just browsing and thought I would add my two bits in...
I think there are some faith based differences between Mormons and what I will call mainstream christians - such as Evangelicals and other denominations.  
I also think that there is a distinct difference between the Mormon faith which makes it impossible for them to be labelled as another Christian denomination.
Here are my arguments on what differentiates these groups:

Mormons will argue that:
 - They are Christians because they believe in Jesus.
- They are Christians because the name of their Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."
 - Mormons believe they are Christians because they believe in God.

BUT this is the difference: Claiming to believe in Jesus does not make anyone a Christian according to all other denominations.

Having a certain name for a Church does not make anyone a Christian. There are many religious sects which have Biblical names but they are not Christians. The Jehovah's Witnesses, The Way International, and Oneness Pentecostals have Biblical names but they have a different Jesus and a different Gospel. They are, by Biblical definition, non-Christians. What makes a church Christian is not what name they go by, but what they believe concerning the nature of Jesus Christ and the gospel or biblical message.  
This will forever seperate Mormons from other Christian denominations, Catholics, Baptist, Evangelical etc.

In short:

The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God, Jesus is God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, and Jesus rose from the dead physically, the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the person of Jesus, and His work of salvation.

I had many mormon friends in high school and they used to tell me about how God is only one of countless gods, that he used to be a man on another planet, that he became a god by following the laws of that god on that world, and that he brought one of his wives to this world with whom he produces spirit children who then inhabit human bodies at birth. Um???? Spirit Children??? I rest my case.

Correct Ms Alberta. The reason they are not Christians is because of their belief in "spirit children" and "Xenu". Plus they believe a whole bunch of other space based Godly stuff that sounds like it came right off the Sci-Fi channel.

And welcome to the forum! Glad to see another conservative around here and especially one from outside the US! :)

Wow... a chick!


Sorry, I'll go back to the corner now.

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Easy now Chris.

don't get confused, she ain't your sister or your momma

Thanks for the kind welcome.... I am so glad that I am not the only one that holds these thoughts.  I grew up in Calgary and there are so many Mormons there, it drove me insane having to listen to so-called Christians discuss Jesus being brothers with Satan and their holy underwear!

and yes, there is a girl on this forum now...who would have thought????
But surely I can't be the only one?

     You're not the only one. My ex-girlfriend is here too. She spends most of her time on the Off-Topic Board though.

PiT - I was glad to see she stuck around after everyone had a go at her the other day.

     It's alright. As I said, she's a very kind person who just gets angry a little easily. She didn't mean to offend anyone by calling them nerds.

By the way, welcome to the forum, AlbertaGirl.

I love Calgary... I'm in that area on vacation every year. Beautiful part of the world.

I take offense at that being considered offensive. >:(

     Me too. >:( Considering the stir that it caused though, I don't think a lot of people here liked to be called nerds.

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I love Calgary... I'm in that area on vacation every year. Beautiful part of the world.
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Thanks for that :)  I think so too but I am biased!