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Title: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 09, 2008, 02:56:47 PM
Some might say Iran.  Some might say China.  Some might say N. Korea.  Some might even say ourselves.  All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Iran's threat will diminish over time if we just stay out of the country.

China has too many laws against its own people to sustain their threat for 20-30 years, not too mention the pollution and the cigarette smoke is much worse than it is in America and that will eventually kill off a lot of the Chinese.

The North Korean threat is also diminishing.

I'll write more later...


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Bono on July 09, 2008, 02:57:29 PM
Obama.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 09, 2008, 03:03:27 PM
Israel, other ardent support of them is killing us now and will continue to do so


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Albus Dumbledore on July 09, 2008, 03:06:29 PM
Israel, other ardent support of them is killing us now and will continue to do so


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: 2952-0-0 on July 09, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
Tajikistan.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Sbane on July 09, 2008, 03:11:54 PM
Malawi


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 09, 2008, 03:13:11 PM
The FBI


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Flying Dog on July 09, 2008, 03:13:47 PM
Ourselves.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 09, 2008, 03:22:59 PM
Iran.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 09, 2008, 03:24:35 PM
Only if we keep up our helping Israel bullsh**t


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: dead0man on July 09, 2008, 03:49:25 PM
Holy One Track Mind Batman!  Israel?  It's laughable.


Russia will continue to be the answer to the OP.  Everybody else pales in comparison to the threat Russia poses to us.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Jacobtm on July 09, 2008, 07:13:46 PM
I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

That's where you go off track. The worst Italy is capable of is beating up gypsies in the street, they're a shell of their former trouble-starting selves.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 09, 2008, 07:30:00 PM
The nation that spies on us more than any other.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: riceowl on July 09, 2008, 08:22:51 PM
the homosexuals.



Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 09, 2008, 08:35:22 PM
All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Mere words cannot express quite how utterly stupid the above post is.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on July 09, 2008, 08:36:52 PM
All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

LOL.  No.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Albus Dumbledore on July 09, 2008, 08:48:07 PM
All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Mere words cannot express quite how utterly stupid the above post is.

Why not try? I want to see your rant countering his idea?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 09, 2008, 08:59:51 PM
I think the Germans are more concerned with Fußball and Käsekrainer than attacking France and starting WW3.

I would say that the relationship between the U.S. and Russia is eroding and Putin represents the biggest threat to U.S. National Security (and this not only for the cool relations with Russia itself, but the disagreements in how Russia supports Iranian nuclear efforts)


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: 7,052,770 on July 09, 2008, 09:11:31 PM
Russia.

China and the US are too linked economically to ever have major problems.  It just wouldn't make sense financially.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: CultureKing on July 09, 2008, 09:44:50 PM
Internationally: Russia (or perhaps Pakistan if things fall apart there, in the sense that it could cause a global conflict).

Within the US: Libertarians/Limited government proponents. The idea of limiting government and trusting the free market scares the sh#t out of me, especially with the growing class divides that could lead to a dangerous division in America.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Verily on July 09, 2008, 10:15:13 PM
Hard to say.

China has the potential to be an irritant bordering on a threat as long as the current government is in power. If anything ever topples that government, which is entirely possible within a twenty year or so time frame, China has the potential to become a major threat, and certainly such instability in China would cause problems worldwide.

Russia seems devoted to being annoying, but Russia is no threat in any actual sense of the word. It's just full of corruption, incompetence, and leaders with egos the size of Mercury.

The EU has the potential to be an economic rival, but not a threat.

All other nations are either too small, too friendly, or too economically backward or else otherwise unimportant.

I don't really see a major threat, as in a military threat, to the United States in the medium-term (meaning within the next few decades). Then again, I will tell you that the US has not been seriously threatened since the 1980s, so you understand my usage of the word "threat".


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Torie on July 09, 2008, 10:26:33 PM
Unless the US dramatically improves its educational system, India and China will eat the US alive over the longer term, unless the US is able to continue to import the best and the brightest, which might become increasingly difficult as wage levels narrow for such talent. The rest of the planet is a distraction, irritating sometime, but in the end rather irrelevant as to this issue. Europe has decided more of less to commit demographic suicide. It's headed to theme park status.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 09, 2008, 10:48:03 PM
Congratulations, you have made a post that has beaten everything DWTL and WalterMitty have posted for idiotic predictions. I second what Al said.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: jokerman on July 09, 2008, 11:19:11 PM
Internal Decay.  I'll also offer the tangible threat that is China, but if we lose our hegemony, it will only be because of our own degeneracy.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: The Duke on July 09, 2008, 11:32:56 PM
Not China.  China is going to be so occupied managing the rapid changes their society is undergoing to pose a threat to anyone.  Besides, China's economic integration with the west means they would lose far too much if they created another Cold War.

Not Russia.  Russia is more corporation than country.  Their goal is to be the world's top resource exporter, not to be America's strategic rival.

Not the EU.  They have no interest in building the military required to challenge US dominance.  Besides, anti-American chic aside, they rather like the United States.

Actually, I think great power conflict is a thing of the past.  Economic integration means there is more to be gained by cooperating that by competing.

The main threat in the future will continue to be the various instabilities in the non-globalized world as they spill over into the west.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Meeker on July 09, 2008, 11:35:29 PM
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She's two people... at once! How will we know who to defend ourselves from?!?!



And them.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on July 11, 2008, 08:14:30 AM
Unless the US dramatically improves its educational system, India and China will eat the US alive over the longer term, unless the US is able to continue to import the best and the brightest, which might become increasingly difficult as wage levels narrow for such talent. The rest of the planet is a distraction, irritating sometime, but in the end rather irrelevant as to this issue. Europe has decided more of less to commit demographic suicide. It's headed to theme park status.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Јas on July 11, 2008, 08:37:01 AM
Vanuatu (normal)


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: CPT MikeyMike on July 11, 2008, 08:38:19 AM
All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Mere words cannot express quite how utterly stupid the above post is.

Spot on.

Jeff - Have you read anything on US/German relations since 1945? The Germans see their past (1914-1945) with shame and have been willing to do anything to forget the past. Their military is actually zilch. They resuse to have any nuclear arsenal and trust the French and Britian to protect them. The EU and NATO have made it so that Europe is united in its cause for security and economic growth throughout Europe. The Germans rely on the Euro, with the rest of Europe, for economic success. If anything, Germany will pass the British as America's biggest ally in the next 20-25 years.

Seriously Jeff, I have high regard for you on this forum, but sometimes you post some threads that absolutely have no logic! And this takes the cake.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: StateBoiler on July 11, 2008, 08:50:35 AM
The Republican and Democratic Parties.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 11, 2008, 09:00:42 AM
I bet TexasDumbAsRocks told BushOK to post this b/c she couldn't bring herself to log in or some sh**t like that


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: opebo on July 11, 2008, 10:07:11 AM
As always the biggest threat to the majority of americans will be the minority of americans - their owners.

As for geopolitically, China is not a 'threat' to the US itself of course, but it certainly threatens america's hegemony.  Russia figures into this only as far as it can cooperate with China.  India will continue to become a closer ally, and Euro-land and Japan will remain so.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: 12th Doctor on July 11, 2008, 10:19:54 AM
The American people.

More specifically, the widening gap between people's attentions spans and how much they "demand to be heard."


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 11, 2008, 10:24:35 AM
I bet TexasDumbAsRocks told BushOK to post this b/c she couldn't bring herself to log in or some sh**t like that

Wow, you might be on to something for once.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 11, 2008, 10:32:35 AM
I bet TexasDumbAsRocks told BushOK to post this b/c she couldn't bring herself to log in or some sh**t like that

Wow, you might be on to something for once.

Would you guys just cool it, please.  Why do you have to insult me and ridicule me for being friends with these nice folks.  Quit acting childish.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 11, 2008, 10:34:06 AM
I bet TexasDumbAsRocks told BushOK to post this b/c she couldn't bring herself to log in or some sh**t like that

Wow, you might be on to something for once.

Would you guys just cool it, please.  Why do you have to insult me and ridicule me for being friends with these nice folks.  Quit acting childish.
Find some new friends, that's the only advice I could give other than get a therapist


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 11, 2008, 10:42:03 AM
All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Mere words cannot express quite how utterly stupid the above post is.

Spot on.

Jeff - Have you read anything on US/German relations since 1945? The Germans see their past (1914-1945) with shame and have been willing to do anything to forget the past. Their military is actually zilch. They resuse to have any nuclear arsenal and trust the French and Britian to protect them. The EU and NATO have made it so that Europe is united in its cause for security and economic growth throughout Europe. The Germans rely on the Euro, with the rest of Europe, for economic success. If anything, Germany will pass the British as America's biggest ally in the next 20-25 years.

Seriously Jeff, I have high regard for you on this forum, but sometimes you post some threads that absolutely have no logic! And this takes the cake.

I know that sometimes I post things that are illogical to the members on the forum, and frankly, I post them because I have somewhat of a different view than mainstream America or mainstream Atlas as the case may be.  Now, I will grant you that pinning 21st century Germany as a threat is a weird stretch, but I'm not going to back down on the things I post.  I know Down and BRTD would like me to leave the forum totally, but that will not happen.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 11, 2008, 10:43:11 AM
I bet TexasDumbAsRocks told BushOK to post this b/c she couldn't bring herself to log in or some sh**t like that

Wow, you might be on to something for once.

Would you guys just cool it, please.  Why do you have to insult me and ridicule me for being friends with these nice folks.  Quit acting childish.
Find some new friends, that's the only advice I could give other than get a therapist

I do find new friends, but I will not let go of these two friends, no matter what may be the "popular opinion" of those two.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 11, 2008, 10:43:46 AM
BushOK, no one wants to see you leave the forum.

() Personal attack - inappropriate language


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: JSojourner on July 11, 2008, 01:00:49 PM
Unless the US dramatically improves its educational system, India and China will eat the US alive over the longer term, unless the US is able to continue to import the best and the brightest, which might become increasingly difficult as wage levels narrow for such talent. The rest of the planet is a distraction, irritating sometime, but in the end rather irrelevant as to this issue. Europe has decided more of less to commit demographic suicide. It's headed to theme park status.

Yet another reason I consider Torie one of the smartest people here.  Though props to Dead for naming Russia first.  There is much merit in what he says.  But yeah -- the China/India economic surge should worry us.

Of course, we ignore ANY other country at our peril.  Brazil, Venezuela, any of the major players in Africa -- all of them have some bearing on our future.  But the OP asked for the greatest potential threat.  And Torie knocked it outta the park.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: opebo on July 11, 2008, 02:59:08 PM
Unless the US dramatically improves its educational system, India and China will eat the US alive over the longer term, unless the US is able to continue to import the best and the brightest, which might become increasingly difficult as wage levels narrow for such talent. The rest of the planet is a distraction, irritating sometime, but in the end rather irrelevant as to this issue. Europe has decided more of less to commit demographic suicide. It's headed to theme park status.

Yet another reason I consider Torie one of the smartest people here.

I like Torie, and do consider him smart, though based on his wittier posts (particularly the more personal ones), not on his regurgitation of conventional prognostication in the above post.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Jake on July 11, 2008, 03:29:16 PM

Basically. Many blame those in power for preserving their power, but if people would wake the fuck up they could end it.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: opebo on July 11, 2008, 03:47:59 PM

Basically. Many blame those in power for preserving their power, but if people would wake the fuck up they could end it.

How?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Albus Dumbledore on July 11, 2008, 04:53:21 PM
Hey BushOklahoma what are your views of the coming nonwhite majority in the US and of the very soon ending of the protestant majority(a few years ago some study showed the US as 52% protestant and with immigration/all the scandals..)?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Jake on July 11, 2008, 11:29:58 PM

If people really realized how they were getting screwed over there would be a violent revolution. Or at least massive reform that prevented career politicians, stripped industry of a lot of their ownership powers, and allowed for more redistribution. It's irrelevant to talk about o/c.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: MarkWarner08 on July 11, 2008, 11:41:24 PM
Our own hubris. Be that in foreign and domestic policy. I'll leave it at that.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 12, 2008, 07:40:50 PM
Hey BushOklahoma what are your views of the coming nonwhite majority in the US and of the very soon ending of the protestant majority(a few years ago some study showed the US as 52% protestant and with immigration/all the scandals..)?

I welcome the nonwhite majority in the USA, as I look beyond race and ethnicity, though I am very saddened by the lack of Christian fundamentals and values in this nation.  (not fundamentalists, but fundamentals), and that is aimed at protestants, catholics, and non-believers.  That is aimed at myself, too.

I believe in the SOCAS (separation of church and state), but that shouldn't stop our leaders from consulting their God in how best to govern this nation.  They don't have to, and should not, wear their religion on their sleeve and force it down everyone's throat, but they do need to PRIVATELY consult their God in the governing of this nation.  That goes for ALL nations and ALL leaders, not just the United States and her President.  There is nothing wrong with our President or members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, privately praying and asking his God what to do next.

So, to better answer your question, I welcome with exceeding joy the multiple ethnicities and cultures, but I loathe and am deeply saddened by the lack of Christian ideals in this country, not necessarily protestant ideals.

Thank you for the question!!!


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: ottermax on July 12, 2008, 07:49:10 PM
Ourselves.
Hey BushOklahoma what are your views of the coming nonwhite majority in the US and of the very soon ending of the protestant majority(a few years ago some study showed the US as 52% protestant and with immigration/all the scandals..)?

I welcome the nonwhite majority in the USA, as I look beyond race and ethnicity, though I am very saddened by the lack of Christian fundamentals and values in this nation.  (not fundamentalists, but fundamentals), and that is aimed at protestants, catholics, and non-believers.  That is aimed at myself, too.

I believe in the SOCAS (separation of church and state), but that shouldn't stop our leaders from consulting their God in how best to govern this nation.  They don't have to, and should not, wear their religion on their sleeve and force it down everyone's throat, but they do need to PRIVATELY consult their God in the governing of this nation.  That goes for ALL nations and ALL leaders, not just the United States and her President.  There is nothing wrong with our President or members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, privately praying and asking his God what to do next.

So, to better answer your question, I welcome with exceeding joy the multiple ethnicities and cultures, but I loathe and am deeply saddened by the lack of Christian ideals in this country, not necessarily protestant ideals.

Thank you for the question!!!

What do you think about Jews and Muslims in this country who have virtually similar values as Christians, but a different religion in name?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on July 12, 2008, 07:56:07 PM
Ourselves.
Hey BushOklahoma what are your views of the coming nonwhite majority in the US and of the very soon ending of the protestant majority(a few years ago some study showed the US as 52% protestant and with immigration/all the scandals..)?

I welcome the nonwhite majority in the USA, as I look beyond race and ethnicity, though I am very saddened by the lack of Christian fundamentals and values in this nation.  (not fundamentalists, but fundamentals), and that is aimed at protestants, catholics, and non-believers.  That is aimed at myself, too.

I believe in the SOCAS (separation of church and state), but that shouldn't stop our leaders from consulting their God in how best to govern this nation.  They don't have to, and should not, wear their religion on their sleeve and force it down everyone's throat, but they do need to PRIVATELY consult their God in the governing of this nation.  That goes for ALL nations and ALL leaders, not just the United States and her President.  There is nothing wrong with our President or members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, privately praying and asking his God what to do next.

So, to better answer your question, I welcome with exceeding joy the multiple ethnicities and cultures, but I loathe and am deeply saddened by the lack of Christian ideals in this country, not necessarily protestant ideals.

Thank you for the question!!!

What do you think about Jews and Muslims in this country who have virtually similar values as Christians, but a different religion in name?

I accept them as well!!  I prefer Christianity and will try to proclaim Christ's name insofar as possible, but I do like most of the values of Judaism and Islam for they are very similar to Christian ideals.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: MasterJedi on July 12, 2008, 09:26:47 PM
Russia will be a big part of it.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Ban my account ffs! on July 12, 2008, 09:36:56 PM
As I stated earlier, I think Russia is our biggest threat, if not directly, but indirectly by supporting our enemies and arming them under the table.

I agree with BushOklahoma in that I welcome different cultures and religions.  My first theology professor at school (a priest at a monastery) believed wholeheartedly that all the faithful would go to heaven.  The idea is that none are denied heaven if they choose to seek it... even after death... which is the point of praying for those that have recently died.

He believed that you were in the darkness upon death, and if you were a faithful believer in life, God's light would be apparent and you would immediately go towards it, but that for those that were not faithful and evil in life, the light would be very dim and far away... and that you would spend eternity seeking the light and never finding it.. which is hell. 

It is the main purpose of All Saints Day.. to pray for all souls that they might find God.

Then again, I also sat through mass with a priest that told me I could take communion even though I'm not Catholic and he basically blessed a bottle of wine he got at the grocery store and split up a kaiser roll...

So, yeah.. it was a liberal Monastery.  (but one of hte largest in the world, with 180 monks)



Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: King on July 12, 2008, 09:55:45 PM
The budget deficit.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Applezz on July 13, 2008, 07:19:13 PM
the biggest threat is Iran. China has no problem with us. The North Korean threat has ended. Iran just tested their missiles. Israel will attack them within the next year, and the US will help them in World War 3.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: AkSaber on July 13, 2008, 07:27:14 PM
Russia will, if we keep antagonizing them, they'll push back.

But I agree, the biggest thing that will destroy us is ourselves. I wonder how different we'd be if many more cared about the Constitution.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 13, 2008, 08:35:54 PM
the biggest threat is Iran. China has no problem with us. The North Korean threat has ended. Iran just tested their missiles. Israel will attack them within the next year, and the US will help them in World War 3.

So you see an October Surprise?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Albus Dumbledore on July 13, 2008, 08:44:31 PM
Why not? Given Governor Bush's taste for arab blood and his militarism combined with his spineless lackeys in congress such is entirely plausible.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: jokerman on July 14, 2008, 01:18:09 PM
The only context Russia merits being listed here is as a "swing state" of diplomacy.  If they're pushed over to the Islamo-Chinese camp then we lose a great deal of influence and standing in Asia and the world.  Conversely they could stand as a great bulwark against Islamo-Chinese power.

But the notion they are the greatest direct threat is preposterous.  Their population is spiraling down, and thus will follow their military and (once the oil runs out or is no longer relevant) economic might.  Unless they're sucessful in rekindling Pan-Slavic feelings and rebuilding the old empire they won't be able to stand against us alone.  As far as their nukes go, it's much more likely that one of theirs gets stolen by a terrorist agency and used against us rather than them beaming them up via one of their own missiles.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 14, 2008, 01:20:05 PM
the biggest threat is Iran. China has no problem with us. The North Korean threat has ended. Iran just tested their missiles. Israel will attack them within the next year, and the US will help them in World War 3.

So you see an October Surprise?

So Bush wants Obama to win with over 400 EVs?

Why not? Given Governor Bush's taste for arab blood and his militarism combined with his spineless lackeys in congress such is entirely plausible.

Iranians != Arab.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 14, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
the biggest threat is Iran. China has no problem with us. The North Korean threat has ended. Iran just tested their missiles. Israel will attack them within the next year, and the US will help them in World War 3.

So you see an October Surprise?

So Bush wants Obama to win with over 400 EVs?

Just like the way Kerry won with over 400 EVs?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on July 14, 2008, 01:26:18 PM
the biggest threat is Iran. China has no problem with us. The North Korean threat has ended. Iran just tested their missiles. Israel will attack them within the next year, and the US will help them in World War 3.

So you see an October Surprise?

So Bush wants Obama to win with over 400 EVs?

Just like the way Kerry won with over 400 EVs?

Not even remotely comparable.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Person Man on July 14, 2008, 08:05:33 PM
I think our own country is our own threat. There are simply too many cultural and economic rivalries for the U.S. to sustain domestic tranquility. I also don't see a single country being a threat, but rather a collective of countries that could go against us because of some phuck up that has to do with emerging social and economic issues. In reality, Iraq might be the wave of the future, with battlefields being drawn by religious, social, political and economic lines, rather than by national lines.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: ottermax on July 14, 2008, 11:05:30 PM
Ourselves.
Hey BushOklahoma what are your views of the coming nonwhite majority in the US and of the very soon ending of the protestant majority(a few years ago some study showed the US as 52% protestant and with immigration/all the scandals..)?

I welcome the nonwhite majority in the USA, as I look beyond race and ethnicity, though I am very saddened by the lack of Christian fundamentals and values in this nation.  (not fundamentalists, but fundamentals), and that is aimed at protestants, catholics, and non-believers.  That is aimed at myself, too.

I believe in the SOCAS (separation of church and state), but that shouldn't stop our leaders from consulting their God in how best to govern this nation.  They don't have to, and should not, wear their religion on their sleeve and force it down everyone's throat, but they do need to PRIVATELY consult their God in the governing of this nation.  That goes for ALL nations and ALL leaders, not just the United States and her President.  There is nothing wrong with our President or members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, privately praying and asking his God what to do next.

So, to better answer your question, I welcome with exceeding joy the multiple ethnicities and cultures, but I loathe and am deeply saddened by the lack of Christian ideals in this country, not necessarily protestant ideals.

Thank you for the question!!!

What do you think about Jews and Muslims in this country who have virtually similar values as Christians, but a different religion in name?

I accept them as well!!  I prefer Christianity and will try to proclaim Christ's name insofar as possible, but I do like most of the values of Judaism and Islam for they are very similar to Christian ideals.

I'm very glad you are not close minded. I really appreciate when Americans are actually following the true meaning of this country: understanding rather than drawing false assumptions.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 16, 2008, 03:37:57 PM
     Creationists. They already want us to start teaching their irrational beliefs as an alternative to Darwin's Theory of Evolution. What if they got what they wanted? The idea makes me shudder.

     Next, they would demand that we teach divine intervention as an alternative explanation to Newton's Theory of Gravity. The United States would be dragged into dead last in the world in Science, as Creationists block the teaching of scientific theory after scientific theory.

     With the United States out of the way, Europe/India/Japan would lead the world into a new golden age. By the year 3000, Americans will live in mud huts, rediscovering innovations such as fire that they lost in their great race to destroy all technology. Meanwhile, everyone else will live in cities in the clouds, enjoying total peace & Dinosaur-like lifespans.

     What? It's just as likely as the original post saying that Germany would cause World War III (& I hope just as tounge-in-cheek). :P


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on July 19, 2008, 08:13:35 AM
BushOK, no one wants to see you leave the forum.

() Personal attack - inappropriate language
It's amazing that Dave can't find the time to re-ban Jamespol but he has the time to pull this stunt


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Franzl on February 19, 2010, 11:02:34 AM
Some might say Iran.  Some might say China.  Some might say N. Korea.  Some might even say ourselves.  All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Iran's threat will diminish over time if we just stay out of the country.

China has too many laws against its own people to sustain their threat for 20-30 years, not too mention the pollution and the cigarette smoke is much worse than it is in America and that will eventually kill off a lot of the Chinese.

The North Korean threat is also diminishing.

I'll write more later...

Were you on drugs when you posted this?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on February 19, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Were you on drugs when you posted this?

That much obvious. Or playing too much Command & Conquer or something like that.


1) Germany attacks France.

2) France nukes Germany.

3) France wins World War III within two hours (although technically it wasn't much of a world war).


And YAY... Xahar and me indirectly managed to get this thread bumped after more than a year (see "Should NATO be disbanded?" thread for more).


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Franzl on February 19, 2010, 11:12:08 AM
Were you on drugs when you posted this?

That much obvious. Or playing too much Command & Conquer or something like that.


1) Germany attacks France.

2) France nukes Germany.

3) France wins World War III within two hours (although technically it wasn't much of a world war).


And YAY... Xahar and me indirectly managed to get this thread bumped after more than a year (see "Should NATO be disbanded?" thread for more).

You don't seriously think the original poster knows which countries have nuclear weapons, do you?


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: MK on February 19, 2010, 12:12:42 PM
I would say China.


Better answer would be the American people and corporations.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: KeeptheChange on February 19, 2010, 02:25:00 PM
Ourselves.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Joe Biden 2020 on February 19, 2010, 07:02:51 PM
Some might say Iran.  Some might say China.  Some might say N. Korea.  Some might even say ourselves.  All of those are big threats, no doubt, but I've got my eye on a country we've had trouble with before--GERMANY.

The reason I say Germany is our biggest threat is due to the Euro.  France and Germany were in cahoots in creating the Euro.  They created the Euro to force all the European nations to come under one currency so the Germans and the French could "currency-gouge" the rest of Europe and force them to break loose of the grip of the Euro.  Plus, in my opinion, Germany did not learn its lesson from World War II and the United States failed to completely stabilize the country mainly because stupidly got ourselves into a Pacific theater with Japan. (Japan wasn't our biggest enemy in WW2, we made them our biggest enemy.)  If America had done things right like befriend Japan (they wanted to be our friend in the late 1930s), we may have been able to avoid Pearl Harbor.  Since Pearl Harbor happened our focus had to mainly shift out to the Pacific and thus the European theater ended a good 5 months before the Pacific theater.  We didn't treat the Germans with a whole lot of respect coming out WW2 and during the Cold War.  That's part of the reason they decided to initiate the Euro some 50 years after the suicide of Hitler.  I can very easily see another German attack on France in the coming years and I can see them linking arms with Italy again and plunge the world back into World War 3 in the next 10-15 years.

Iran's threat will diminish over time if we just stay out of the country.

China has too many laws against its own people to sustain their threat for 20-30 years, not too mention the pollution and the cigarette smoke is much worse than it is in America and that will eventually kill off a lot of the Chinese.

The North Korean threat is also diminishing.

I'll write more later...

Were you on drugs when you posted this?

I wasn't on drugs, although at the time, i was posting from my dorm room at the computer camp in Atlanta and sick of junior high boys being well...  boys.  So, I wasn't thinking too clearly when this was posted, and I certainly don't believe it now.  I still don't think China is our biggest threat, though.  I agree with KeeptheChange that we are our own worst enemy.  If we keep borrowing money from China, they could eventually call us to account and we're in trouble.  Of course, it's weird now, but I've heard that Japan is becoming our biggest lender.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Bo on February 19, 2010, 08:54:14 PM
Economic conservatives and the debt.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Frodo on February 19, 2010, 10:59:01 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This, although he and I might have slightly different reasons for saying so...  :P

As imperfect as it is, we live in a representative democracy in which the government is designed to match the dispositions of its citizens, and the more the electorate becomes polarized, so in turn would the federal government.  The American people like to complain about how dysfunctional their government is, and how little faith they have in their own institutions.  What they fail to realize (or choose to ignore) is that the government is dysfunctional because they themselves are dysfunctional.  If -for instance- the people cannot pluck up the will and courage to make sacrifices (i.e. tax increases and/or entitlement program spending cuts) on behalf of future generations by fighting to reduce the long-term national debt, then what in God's name can make anyone think that Congress is going to do so?  It takes adults to tackle an issue with the potential to sink the United States, and so far as I have seen there are precious few of them around -and every day there are less of them.  

We are the world's pre-eminent power -there are no external threats  (either individually or in combination) with enough potential and strength to bring down the United States.  This is a fact.  There is only one force in this world that has that kind of power -and it is us.  


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: nhmagic on February 20, 2010, 12:55:00 AM
Obama - His policies are the single greatest threat to our nation.  He needs to be defeated immediately.  That snowstorm was the best thing to happen to Washington DC.  It delayed him from doing his daily damage.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Franzl on February 20, 2010, 06:24:11 AM
Obama - His policies are the single greatest threat to our nation.  He needs to be defeated immediately.  That snowstorm was the best thing to happen to Washington DC.  It delayed him from doing his daily damage.

Yeah, before you know it we'll be a communist hellhole like France.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 20, 2010, 10:15:59 AM
Having just spent the last 15/20 minutes reading through a load of crap on the forum community board, I can safely assure you that the general consensus seems to be that JSojourner is the biggest threat to America.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: k-onmmunist on February 20, 2010, 10:17:52 AM
After the past few weeks, I've been lead to believe political correctness is the biggest threat to the Western world.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Bo on February 20, 2010, 12:13:18 PM
Obama - His policies are the single greatest threat to our nation.  He needs to be defeated immediately.  That snowstorm was the best thing to happen to Washington DC.  It delayed him from doing his daily damage.

Yeah, before you know it we'll be a communist hellhole like France.

Yes, and everyone will be so sad because they have universal healthcare and economic safety nets. Oh, what a horrible day will that be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Psychic Octopus on February 20, 2010, 03:08:47 PM


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on February 20, 2010, 03:13:16 PM
Increasing corporate control of the government.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on February 20, 2010, 11:21:23 PM
After the past few weeks, I've been lead to believe political correctness is the biggest threat to the Western world.

What.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Sewer on February 21, 2010, 09:03:31 AM
Greed, especially corporate greed.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Mos Definite on February 21, 2010, 09:18:59 AM
China. They're like the Soviet Union, except they have a capitalist economy.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: k-onmmunist on February 21, 2010, 09:27:55 AM
China. They're like the Soviet Union, except they have a capitalist corporatist economy.

Fixed.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on February 21, 2010, 11:08:22 AM
Obesity. :P


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Јas on February 22, 2010, 09:14:54 AM
The rencumbent bicycle (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=17e5b2fe-9105-486d-985f-d71255a562cb)


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Zarn on February 23, 2010, 12:42:56 AM
Laziness, ignorance, and the self-glorification of the American people


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: Eraserhead on February 23, 2010, 01:21:26 AM
BushOklahoma and his trolling.


Title: Re: Who do you see as America's biggest threat in the years and decades to come?
Post by: dead0man on February 23, 2010, 01:28:42 AM
China. They're like the Soviet Union, except they have a capitalist economy.
You must lean left, they tend to be the only ones that buy this lie.  Or at least the only ones that like to repeat it.  If I find out who started this myth (the China=capitalist part) I'm going to piss in their tea.