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Title: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 18, 2004, 04:58:09 PM This thread is about great ancestors of forum members, both Americans and others, but particularly Americans.
I have always thought that one of most interesting characteristic of American culture/society is your different origins. I was really enthusiastic when Nym90 and Christopher Michael told me about their Finnish-American backgrounds. So please write in where your ancestors were from. Like "I'm Irish-French-German-Dutch-Bulgarian-Estonian" I have always liked that American tradition to express your origins. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 18, 2004, 04:58:59 PM Half my family is from England (not sure how many generations) the other half is from Poland and Russia (although we are 3rd generation English I think)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on February 18, 2004, 05:00:58 PM Prior to the Flood, or after? :)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 18, 2004, 05:05:17 PM Prior to the Flood, or after? :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: TheWildCard on February 18, 2004, 05:06:00 PM I am part Greek, English, Russian, German, French(Bleh!), Swiss, and Native American.
But all American! Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Dave from Michigan on February 18, 2004, 05:08:31 PM Scottish Irish British French
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:09:12 PM I am part Greek, English, Russian, German, French(Bleh!), Swiss, and Native American. It's OK, WildCard, it's not your fault that you have French ancestry...if you ever feel like you wanna tal about it, I'm there for you, you know that... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Dave from Michigan on February 18, 2004, 05:09:50 PM mostly Scottish Irish British German with a little French
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: elcorazon on February 18, 2004, 05:10:08 PM Russia, Poland, Germany, Romania mostly.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on February 18, 2004, 05:10:11 PM English-German
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:11:19 PM If non-American are allowed to take this poll, I have some Jewish and Austrian ancestry.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: © tweed on February 18, 2004, 05:12:28 PM Germany, Russia, Poland, Britain, and France mainly.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: TheWildCard on February 18, 2004, 05:13:30 PM I am part Greek, English, Russian, German, French(Bleh!), Swiss, and Native American. It's OK, WildCard, it's not your fault that you have French ancestry...if you ever feel like you wanna tal about it, I'm there for you, you know that... ;) LOL! Nah its okay I feel like I can bash the French without feeling bad thats the great thing! Plus my ancestors apprently had enough brains to move away from there.(No offence to anyone who is French intended) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 18, 2004, 05:14:11 PM France isn't that bad
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:14:42 PM I am part Greek, English, Russian, German, French(Bleh!), Swiss, and Native American. It's OK, WildCard, it's not your fault that you have French ancestry...if you ever feel like you wanna tal about it, I'm there for you, you know that... ;) LOL! Nah its okay I feel like I can bash the French without feeling bad thats the great thing! Plus my ancestors apprently had enough brains to move away from there. It's not so bad to live there, I think, the bad thing is to live in a country affected by France...such as Algeria, Vietnam, or Sweden... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: TheWildCard on February 18, 2004, 05:21:01 PM Hey please don't take too much offence to what I said about France and sorry if it offended either of you.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:32:41 PM Hey please don't take too much offence to what I said about France and sorry if it offended either of you. It didn't offend me, I'm a bit of a France-basher myself... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 18, 2004, 05:33:07 PM didn't offend me, I am not French, but I do like France, nice country.....
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:33:35 PM didn't offend me, I am not French, but I do like France, nice country..... ...but horrible politicians! ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 18, 2004, 05:36:59 PM yeah, well, nowhere's perfect ;)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 18, 2004, 05:44:50 PM yeah, well, nowhere's perfect ;) 'be it ever so decadent, there's no, place, like...home' Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: kenhd on February 18, 2004, 05:51:31 PM I'm Canadian French (lots of relatives in Philly area), Danish, Irish, Swiss, Scottish and ? else. You know, a Euro mutt. ;D Born and raised way out west in California, though. Central Coast. Spoiled like Heck by the weather (can definitely put up with occasional quake). Love to visit some of the olde countries, but right now we're in mid winter and all I can think about is surviving all this rain and these 40 something degree nights.
Where are my ancestors from? No place I want to visit this time of year! 8) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Demrepdan on February 18, 2004, 06:09:52 PM A little Irish, a little Scottish, Italian, but primarily German.
And then it's questionable if I have Caribbean and Native American ancestry. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: M on February 18, 2004, 06:12:57 PM Pure Jew. My ancestors are mostly Russian and Habsburg Imperial subjects. From lands that are today Lithuania, Byelorussia, Ukraine, Poland, Hungary, and Austria. I had one great great grandfather who talked about what a great emperor Franz Josef II was (way before my time!) My most recent immigrant ancestor is my mother's father, from a small village in the then Ukraine. Some of my ancestors lived in Quebec City briefly, so I guess I'm part French Canadian...
My out of nation relatives live in France, Israel, and Argentina. Most of my European relatives died in the holocaust, or ended up in France (starting from Poland). Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on February 18, 2004, 06:42:55 PM jewish, from Israel. my mother is ftom Romanian orign, my father's ancestor from what is today the ukraine
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: KEmperor on February 18, 2004, 07:19:37 PM I've got a little of everything. Italian, Russian Jew, Irish, English, German, and probably some more that I don't know about.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: 7,052,770 on February 18, 2004, 09:46:41 PM Sweden (dad's) and Britain (mom's)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: migrendel on February 18, 2004, 09:47:53 PM My ancestors were all English, having come over on the Mayflower in 1620.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: PD on February 18, 2004, 10:53:20 PM I'm about 48 percent Irish, 48 percent British,and 4 percent German.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: 12th Doctor on February 19, 2004, 12:03:14 AM Ireland and Germany
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Demrepdan on February 19, 2004, 12:19:51 AM Ireland and Germany So was Tom Hagen.... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: 12th Doctor on February 19, 2004, 12:20:28 AM Ireland and Germany So was Tom Hagen.... Who? Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Demrepdan on February 19, 2004, 12:25:47 AM Ireland and Germany So was Tom Hagen.... Who? lol....oh...in The Godfather there was a lawyer named Tom Hagen...who someone accused of being Italian....and Tom said..."No, I'm German-Irish." And the guy who accused him of being Italian said..."Well listen here my kraut mick friend!" I'm not even sure why I even brought it up...it's stupid....lol Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: 12th Doctor on February 19, 2004, 12:29:41 AM Ireland and Germany So was Tom Hagen.... Who? lol....oh...in The Godfather there was a lawyer named Tom Hagen...who someone accused of being Italian....and Tom said..."No, I'm German-Irish." And the guy who accused him of being Italian said..."Well listen here my kraut mick friend!" I'm not even sure why I even brought it up...it's stupid....lol LOL i should have known that. Yeah, I remember now. You would be suprised. German/Irish is a very popular mix around my area for some odd reason. I think it's the achohol conection :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 19, 2004, 11:48:18 AM Sweden (dad's) and Britain (mom's) Yay, more Swedish ancestry! :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 19, 2004, 12:04:24 PM Part English, Part Welsh.
But the most of the English part came from Norway about 900 years ago ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Nation on February 19, 2004, 12:24:34 PM Almost entirely Irish -- that probably explains my stubborness and fondness of alcohol.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: afleitch on February 19, 2004, 04:13:01 PM Mostly Scottish/Irish/French...just because i'm from the UK doesnt mean i'm a bit of a mongrel! lol. Probably some Viking blood in there too!
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: DarthKosh on February 20, 2004, 07:16:21 PM 40% English
40% Russian 10% German 10% Polish The pride of nothern europe. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 20, 2004, 07:21:46 PM 40% English 40% Russian 10% German 10% Polish The pride of nothern europe. Without Scandinavia it isn't... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: DarthKosh on February 20, 2004, 07:23:52 PM 40% English 40% Russian 10% German 10% Polish The pride of nothern europe. Without Scandinavia it isn't... ;) My family is Norman English so it is there but far back. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 20, 2004, 07:27:50 PM 40% English 40% Russian 10% German 10% Polish The pride of nothern europe. Without Scandinavia it isn't... ;) My family is Norman English so it is there but far back. OK, that 's OK then. :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: DarthKosh on February 20, 2004, 07:42:29 PM 40% English 40% Russian 10% German 10% Polish The pride of nothern europe. Without Scandinavia it isn't... ;) My family is Norman English so it is there but far back. OK, that 's OK then. :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dazzleman on February 21, 2004, 08:36:48 AM German, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, Norwegian.
Pretty much a smorgasbord of northern European nationalities. There may be others that I'm not aware of since some of my ancestors have been here for centuries, and there's no telling who they bred with. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: minionofmidas on February 21, 2004, 09:14:41 AM Different parts of Germany. Oh, and a tiny Dutch drop and possibly a tiny Polish drop as well, but these are way back.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 21, 2004, 10:04:32 AM German, Irish, Scottish, Dutch, Norwegian. Pretty much a smorgasbord of northern European nationalities. There may be others that I'm not aware of since some of my ancestors have been here for centuries, and there's no telling who they bred with. Well...at least you had a Swedish word in there, even though you didn't have any Swedush background... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dazzleman on February 21, 2004, 10:50:07 AM Well...at least you had a Swedish word in there, even though you didn't have any Swedush background... ;) I could have some Swedish ancestry for all I know. I only found out about the Norwegian connection recently, and I'm still a little confused about it. I was told that my Dutch ancestors were actually Norwegians who travelled from Norway to Holland, and then from Holland to the US. This supposedly took place in the 1600s. I guess they came to New Amsterdam, as it was called at the time. My most dominant ancestry is probably Irish and German. My mom was 3/4 Irish and 1/4 German, and my dad has German on his side also as far as I know, among other things. But I really don't feel much connection to my ancestry. I was raised that I am an American. Period. Neither one of my parents put any emphasis on ethnicity. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 21, 2004, 11:02:12 AM Well...at least you had a Swedish word in there, even though you didn't have any Swedush background... ;) I could have some Swedish ancestry for all I know. I only found out about the Norwegian connection recently, and I'm still a little confused about it. I was told that my Dutch ancestors were actually Norwegians who travelled from Norway to Holland, and then from Holland to the US. This supposedly took place in the 1600s. I guess they came to New Amsterdam, as it was called at the time. My most dominant ancestry is probably Irish and German. My mom was 3/4 Irish and 1/4 German, and my dad has German on his side also as far as I know, among other things. But I really don't feel much connection to my ancestry. I was raised that I am an American. Period. Neither one of my parents put any emphasis on ethnicity. Well, that does seem a little strange...America is supposedly a nation of immigrants, so I guess it isnt strange for you to feel American...it's still fun to know about one's ancestry, imo. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dazzleman on February 21, 2004, 11:31:09 PM Well...at least you had a Swedish word in there, even though you didn't have any Swedush background... ;) I could have some Swedish ancestry for all I know. I only found out about the Norwegian connection recently, and I'm still a little confused about it. I was told that my Dutch ancestors were actually Norwegians who travelled from Norway to Holland, and then from Holland to the US. This supposedly took place in the 1600s. I guess they came to New Amsterdam, as it was called at the time. My most dominant ancestry is probably Irish and German. My mom was 3/4 Irish and 1/4 German, and my dad has German on his side also as far as I know, among other things. But I really don't feel much connection to my ancestry. I was raised that I am an American. Period. Neither one of my parents put any emphasis on ethnicity. Well, that does seem a little strange...America is supposedly a nation of immigrants, so I guess it isnt strange for you to feel American...it's still fun to know about one's ancestry, imo. It's true that America is a nation of immigrants, but once you've been here long enough, the connection to the "old country" is lost. That has definitely happened in my case. There are also differences among different ethnic groups in their attitude toward their ethnic backgrounds. Some actively reject their ancestral countries in order to make themselves more American. My dad's ancestors were here so long that there was no connection at all to his ancestral lands. A visit to any of them would be strictly as a tourist. In my mom's case, her ancestors had come to America much more recently, but she rejected the stereotypical behavior associated with her ethnic group. She simply wanted to be a fully assimilated American, not associated with any particular ethnic group. We never lived in an "ethnic" neighborhood or belonged to any ethnically-centered clubs or groups, although my grandparents did. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Platypus on February 22, 2004, 12:22:21 AM English, Welsh, French, Prussian and a little bit of Spanish (although I suspect that it might be Native American, as does my mother)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Nym90 on February 22, 2004, 03:55:54 PM I'm 75% English and 25% Finnish.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 22, 2004, 04:05:50 PM the first foreign president of america ;)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Nym90 on February 22, 2004, 04:10:22 PM Lol. Well I'm 100% American of course. :)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 22, 2004, 04:13:11 PM so you are 75% english, 25% finnish and 100% american, blimey, 200% i am impressed, you are truly a super-human president ;)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: JohnFKennedy on February 22, 2004, 04:13:53 PM btw nym, you finished your term paper or whatever yet then?
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: MAS117 on February 22, 2004, 04:23:08 PM Poland,Russia,Romaina, etc
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Platypus on February 23, 2004, 12:38:07 AM I oncehas this disgusting Swedish fermented fish...something "spfisk". It was foul :p
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Nym90 on February 23, 2004, 01:19:42 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm!
Lol, I'm kidding there.... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:43:29 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:45:29 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) So true, my Great Aunt used to make it, and boy did that stink! 'used too'...are you picking your customs? :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:49:48 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) So true, my Great Aunt used to make it, and boy did that stink! 'used too'...are you picking your customs? :) Well she kinda died.... Oh, sorry. :( Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:51:39 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) So true, my Great Aunt used to make it, and boy did that stink! 'used too'...are you picking your customs? :) Well she kinda died.... Oh, sorry. :( It's alright. :) Good. :) I thought you quit eating it b/c it tasted awful...I have managed to avoid it. :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:53:16 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) So true, my Great Aunt used to make it, and boy did that stink! 'used too'...are you picking your customs? :) Well she kinda died.... Oh, sorry. :( It's alright. :) Good. :) I thought you quit eating it b/c it tasted awful...I have managed to avoid it. :) I was curious enough for a first bite, not dumb enough to take a second. ;) Curiosity can be dangerous some times... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 23, 2004, 10:55:13 AM Ah yes, lutefisk...mmmm! Lol, I'm kidding there.... Even I won't be as nationalistic at to pretend that I like 'lutfisk'... ;) So true, my Great Aunt used to make it, and boy did that stink! 'used too'...are you picking your customs? :) Well she kinda died.... Oh, sorry. :( It's alright. :) Good. :) I thought you quit eating it b/c it tasted awful...I have managed to avoid it. :) I was curious enough for a first bite, not dumb enough to take a second. ;) Curiosity can be dangerous some times... It killed the cat.... Lol... :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 24, 2004, 06:02:31 PM All interesting. It would be cool to have such diverse origin. All my ancestors were Finnish. And they who went across ocean (to New York) moved back.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Huckleberry Finn on February 25, 2004, 09:15:01 AM All interesting. It would be cool to have such diverse origin. All my ancestors were Finnish. And they who went across ocean (to New York) moved back. Really?? I don't think I've heard that happen very much, what years did this happen? Btw. My grandmama’s mam was housemaid in oil magnate John Rockefeller’s palace. In Finland she and her husband bought mill. Their American money helped them much in that business. I think that it was their “Finnish-American dream” Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on February 29, 2004, 01:20:03 PM All interesting. It would be cool to have such diverse origin. All my ancestors were Finnish. And they who went across ocean (to New York) moved back. Really?? I don't think I've heard that happen very much, what years did this happen? Btw. My grandmama’s mam was housemaid in oil magnate John Rockefeller’s palace. In Finland she and her husband bought mill. Their American money helped them much in that business. I think that it was their “Finnish-American dream” It isn't that uncommon for people to live briefly in the US and then move back home again. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: opebo on February 29, 2004, 01:48:06 PM Mostly English, a little French.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: minionofmidas on March 01, 2004, 08:14:35 AM It isn't even that uncommon for people to make that move more than once.
By the 1910s, there were people (mostly Italians) who came to the US as seasonal laborers every year and returned home every year. One of the Haymarket defendants, I've forgotten the name, was born in America. His parents moved back to Germany as soon as his brother was old enough to go to school (the German schools were better). Then, when they were old enough, both sons returned to the US for good - they had retained their American citizenship throughout. There are no exact statistics, but millions of emigrants returned. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Wakie on March 01, 2004, 12:52:21 PM I'm Polish-Slovak-English-Irish-Scottish.
But you can call me American. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 01, 2004, 01:19:24 PM I'm Polish-Slovak-English-Irish-Scottish. But you can call me American. No we can't, since you're a Democrat and thus un-American by definition! :D ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ncjake on March 01, 2004, 05:09:55 PM CUBA!!!
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 01, 2004, 08:05:40 PM Austria, Ireland, Native American, Palestinian mostly.
Austria (Fathers Side)- Related to the Hapsburg family. Notables members include : Frederick the Great. List goes on and on to long for this forum lol I trace my lineage back to 1497. My last name was granted from the King of Austria also called Oesterreich (EasterEmpire), for valor in battle against the Turks in the defence of Vienna. Irish(Mothers side) - Stock poor working Irish, Colonists to the US, fought in the War of Northern Aggression against the tyrannical Lincoln. Native American(Mothers Side) - Apache of a Northern tribe, dont know to much about it. Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 04:12:27 AM Austria, Ireland, Native American, Palestinian mostly. Austria (Fathers Side)- Related to the Hapsburg family. Notables members include : Frederick the Great. List goes on and on to long for this forum lol I trace my lineage back to 1497. My last name was granted from the King of Austria also called Oesterreich (EasterEmpire), for valor in battle against the Turks in the defence of Vienna. Irish(Mothers side) - Stock poor working Irish, Colonists to the US, fought in the War of Northern Aggression against the tyrannical Lincoln. Native American(Mothers Side) - Apache of a Northern tribe, dont know to much about it. Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. StatesRights Yoy have a name that speaks for itself. I guess you are for independence for all people unless they are jewish. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ncjake on March 02, 2004, 06:55:28 AM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 02, 2004, 10:04:27 AM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab Actually Palestinians are Semetic and more closely related to Jews then to Iraqis. And my people weren't Muslim. We were Coptic Christians. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 02, 2004, 10:06:05 AM StatesRights Yoy have a name that speaks for itself. I guess you are for independence for all people unless they are jewish. Did I say Jewish people dont have the right to independence? Dont judge before you know the facts. Thanks. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 10:50:05 AM StatesRights Yoy have a name that speaks for itself. I guess you are for independence for all people unless they are jewish. Did I say Jewish people dont have the right to independence? Dont judge before you know the facts. Thanks. so why "state" and not just state Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 10:56:36 AM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab ncjake there was never a palestine nation or state. the british rulled palestine/land of Israel 1918-1948. the country had jews and arabs. BTW there was a small jewish presrnce in this country in a few placees since 2000 bc till our time. Hebron had jewih population since king David untill 1929 when the Arab masscered most of them Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on March 02, 2004, 11:02:15 AM I always find it ironic (though not in a good way) the the whole Arab-Israeli conflict was probably started when a few morons hurled rocks a Kibbutz... :(
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 02, 2004, 01:02:50 PM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab It's kind if hard to tell who drove out who... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 06:58:48 PM It's not if you know the history
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ncjake on March 02, 2004, 08:08:32 PM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab Actually Palestinians are Semetic and more closely related to Jews then to Iraqis. And my people weren't Muslim. We were Coptic Christians. Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are semetic. Arabs are related to Jews. Arab doesnt equal Muslim. There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs as well. Palestinians are no differant in racial makeup from Saudi Arabians or Kuwaitis. You should seriously learn more about your heritage Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 08:18:26 PM "There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs "
there is no such thing as a jewish arab.... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ncjake on March 02, 2004, 08:19:57 PM "There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs " there is no such thing as a jewish arab.... sephardics, my friend is one Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 02, 2004, 08:31:51 PM "There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs " there is no such thing as a jewish arab.... sephardics, my friend is one I am jewish and an Israeli. sephardics are not arabs it's like saying a latino is an Indian. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: MarkDel on March 02, 2004, 08:53:07 PM I just read this thread for the first time. Some very interesting responses. As for me, my ehtnic background is as follows:
1/2 Italian 1/4 Irish 1/8 English 1/8 Cherokee Indian So technically, I qualify as a Native-American minority, though I have never once used that status in any way shape or forum. The fact that I could be considered a minority illustrates just how ludicrous affirmative action is in light of the fact that I have blond hair, blue eyes and look nothing remotely like a Native American. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 03, 2004, 01:54:56 AM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab Actually Palestinians are Semetic and more closely related to Jews then to Iraqis. And my people weren't Muslim. We were Coptic Christians. Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are semetic. Arabs are related to Jews. Arab doesnt equal Muslim. There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs as well. Palestinians are no differant in racial makeup from Saudi Arabians or Kuwaitis. You should seriously learn more about your heritage Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Iranians are Persian because their nation was formely known as Persia. And actually Palestinians have quite a interesting mix: Arab, Greek, Roman, Jewish. Its been more in recent history where the Arab/Muslims have been taking over the region, but believe me their are quite a few Blue Eyed lighter olive skinned Palestinians running around. Believe me I've seen them first hand. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 03, 2004, 04:28:42 AM Palestinian(Fathers Side) - My grandmother was born there (Ramallah). Family was mostly run out due to the creation of the "state" of Israel. Nobody was run out due to the creation of Israel. The Jews had lived in Palestine since the 1800's alongside the Arabs. It was the Arabs who tried to drive out the Jews. Also, You cant be Palestinian since it isnt a race, or a nation thats developed its own traits and culture. Hell, Palestine only existed as a nation from 1918 to 1948. You are Arab Actually Palestinians are Semetic and more closely related to Jews then to Iraqis. And my people weren't Muslim. We were Coptic Christians. Palestinians are Arabs. Arabs are semetic. Arabs are related to Jews. Arab doesnt equal Muslim. There are Christian Arabs and Jewish Arabs as well. Palestinians are no differant in racial makeup from Saudi Arabians or Kuwaitis. You should seriously learn more about your heritage Arabs are from Saudi Arabia. Iranians are Persian because their nation was formely known as Persia. And actually Palestinians have quite a interesting mix: Arab, Greek, Roman, Jewish. Its been more in recent history where the Arab/Muslims have been taking over the region, but believe me their are quite a few Blue Eyed lighter olive skinned Palestinians running around. Believe me I've seen them first hand. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 03, 2004, 10:36:20 AM It's not if you know the history It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history. ;) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 03, 2004, 11:10:47 AM It's not if you know the history It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history. ;) I know you do; didn't mean it like that...it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights? no c**ntry in the world but Pakistan accapted jordan anexation of this part of Eretz Israel/Palestine. yet then it not 'occupied'. When Israel was attacked yet again and won (sorry for that), coming back to the places the holiest to the jews and where the jews started as a nation it became 'occupied'. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 03, 2004, 02:34:17 PM It's not if you know the history It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history. ;) I know you do; didn't mean it like that... OK. :) it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights? I was actually referring to the Arab occupation in my post and have asked that exact question many times...I am generally pro-Israel so there's need to get defensive. On the matter of it being 2 societies I think it's reasonable to call it a civil war b/c of its character and the fact that people were mixed up a lot. Just like the Yugoslavian war was a civil war. Also, my dad had a Jewish friend who was an officer in the Israeli army. He lived in Sweden but went home to fight in the wars. He always refused to talk of the 1948 war, in which he participated as a young man, b/c it had been such a horrible civil war-like experience. He was proud of his service in the Six Days War in a very different way. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 03, 2004, 05:21:31 PM It's not if you know the history It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history. ;) I know you do; didn't mean it like that... OK. :) it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights? I was actually referring to the Arab occupation in my post and have asked that exact question many times...I am generally pro-Israel so there's need to get defensive. On the matter of it being 2 societies I think it's reasonable to call it a civil war b/c of its character and the fact that people were mixed up a lot. Just like the Yugoslavian war was a civil war. Also, my dad had a Jewish friend who was an officer in the Israeli army. He lived in Sweden but went home to fight in the wars. He always refused to talk of the 1948 war, in which he participated as a young man, b/c it had been such a horrible civil war-like experience. He was proud of his service in the Six Days War in a very different way. ok king Gustaf.. :) I see your point. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 03, 2004, 06:02:46 PM It's not if you know the history It was a bloody Civil War, prompted by the Arab's refusal to accept the UN plan for dividing Palestine/Israel and the subsequent creation of the state of Israel. That was resulted in a lot of people on both sides getting driven out, making the Israeli area mostly inhabited by Jews and the occupied territories mostly inhabited by Arabs. And I do know a little history. ;) I know you do; didn't mean it like that... OK. :) it's not civil war b/c it's two societies not one divided. what you call the occupied territories was under jordan and Egypt in 1948-1967. how come these arab countries did not gave their brothers state or political rights? I was actually referring to the Arab occupation in my post and have asked that exact question many times...I am generally pro-Israel so there's need to get defensive. On the matter of it being 2 societies I think it's reasonable to call it a civil war b/c of its character and the fact that people were mixed up a lot. Just like the Yugoslavian war was a civil war. Also, my dad had a Jewish friend who was an officer in the Israeli army. He lived in Sweden but went home to fight in the wars. He always refused to talk of the 1948 war, in which he participated as a young man, b/c it had been such a horrible civil war-like experience. He was proud of his service in the Six Days War in a very different way. ok king Gustaf.. :) I see your point. Lol, here comes the king title again... ;) I see my attempt at smart quoting did not work out at all...I sed to know how to do it, but I obviously messed up... :( Good to see that you managed to see my point anyway... :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 03, 2004, 06:07:02 PM :)
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: nclib on March 05, 2004, 09:06:16 PM This is an interesting thread. My heritage is 3/4 Jewish-European and 1/4 Italian.
Specifically, Russian-Polish-Latvian-Italian (Sicilian). Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 01:50:56 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 04:46:03 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 04:49:05 AM This is an interesting thread. My heritage is 3/4 Jewish-European and 1/4 Italian. Specifically, Russian-Polish-Latvian-Italian (Sicilian). Do you see yourself as jewish? Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 06, 2004, 07:55:59 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her. Yeah, she's the Palestinians only real hope, isn't she? Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: jaichind on March 06, 2004, 09:17:00 AM I and my parents are from the Chinese province of Taiwan. If we go back about one hunderd years I can trace my father's family back to Hunan Province. The Tangs can be traced to Hubei Province about two thousands ago. On my mother's side one can trace it to Henan province a hundred years ago. The Heilians are a rare Chinese surname and can be traced to Hsiung-Nu Barbarians of the Hsia Empire based in Shanxi Province about one thousand five hunderd years ago.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 10:33:38 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her. Yeah, she's the Palestinians only real hope, isn't she? The only Palestinians real hope is to get Sharon out of office. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 06, 2004, 10:35:27 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her. Yeah, she's the Palestinians only real hope, isn't she? The only Palestinians real hope is to get Sharon out of office. It depends on your definition of hope...it would be better for them, I'd certainly say that. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 11:00:12 AM Oh I forgot to mention my Great Aunt is Hannan Ashwari. Some of you may have heard of her. Yeah, she's the Palestinians only real hope, isn't she? The only Palestinians real hope is to get Sharon out of office. Sharon is willing to give your guys a state, but they use terror , they did it with Barak, Rabin, Peres and Netanyahoo. the problem is Arafat that do not want peace Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 11:01:42 AM I dont want to start a flame war, but the Israelies have done their fair share of "terrorism". I also remember the U.S.S. Liberty. A intentional attack on a US Navy ship. And we still send them 3 billion a year.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 11:04:45 AM I dont want to start a flame war, but the Israelies have done their fair share of "terrorism". I also remember the U.S.S. Liberty. A intentional attack on a US Navy ship. And we still send them 3 billion a year. C'mon That was a mistake in 1967, and do you support the tyrany of Arafat? I thougt you are a pro-democracy guy. but you are right about one thing, let's not start a flame war Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 11:07:21 AM The crew of the USS Liberty would disagree with that. Check out www.ussliberty.org (http://www.ussliberty.org). I just think if the military tension of the area was removed the Palestinians would have more peace with themselves and with the Israelies. Both sides are guilty and both sides need to sit down and say enoughs enough.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 11:11:00 AM The crew of the USS Liberty would disagree with that. Check out [link]www.ussliberty.org[/link]. I just think if the military tension of the area was removed the Palestinians would have more peace with themselves and with the Israelies. Both sides are guilty and both sides need to sit down and say enoughs enough. well what's reason there was to attack a friendly ship? and yeah both sides are to blame its just that 'yours' is waaay bigger Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 11:15:17 AM Thats the million dollar coverup. The crew members have testified that the first wave of attack aircraft were unmarked. The crew believe that it was a plot to blame Egypt and get US Intervention. But Johnson didnt want to get involved because of his war in Vietnam. Over 800 hits and a torpedo hit is not an accident, especially when the crew took down the small US Flag and put up the Holiday US Flag at the beginning of the attack.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 11:24:30 AM Thats the million dollar coverup. The crew members have testified that the first wave of attack aircraft were unmarked. The crew believe that it was a plot to blame Egypt and get US Intervention. But Johnson didnt want to get involved because of his war in Vietnam. Over 800 hits and a torpedo hit is not an accident, especially when the crew took down the small US Flag and put up the Holiday US Flag at the beginning of the attack. if I start with conspearcy theories we can go for ever. go blame Arafat and his people for the situation of the arabs you call palestinians Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 06, 2004, 11:48:45 AM No conspircay. Eyewitness testimony of the crew.
www.ussliberty.org (http://www.ussliberty.org) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 06, 2004, 12:11:27 PM what about witnesses and documents of Arafat stilling billions from his people?
but we said no more ... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Siege40 on March 11, 2004, 06:42:37 PM I'm of general Western European decent. 200-300 years ago my French Grandfather left Brest France and head for Arcadia, I have a great grandmother that is directly related from him. After a while he ended up in Newfoundland, he may of been deported, then we have English members of my family, the Lees, that come from Eastern England. A smattering of Irish, Scottish, and Germanic is likely in there. My grandparents came to Ontario to leave behind Newfoundland and now I'm here.
Siege40 Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Brambila on March 11, 2004, 08:26:30 PM On my mom's side, my family supposedly left Brock, Germany in the late 1700's to England, and then moved to Ohio in the 1800's. There is some Irish there, along with Cherokee Indian.
My dad's side is Mexican. It's mostly Italian with some Spanish and Irish (yes, there are Irish in Mexico). No Aztec or Indian. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: zachman on March 11, 2004, 08:42:07 PM I'm 1/4 Lithuanian Jewish, 1/4 Polish Jewish, and 1/2 wasp.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Brambila on March 11, 2004, 08:59:52 PM How can you be half Jewish? You're either Jewish or you're not. If your mother's a Jew, you're a Jew. If [only] your father's a Jew, you're not.
HAVN'T YOU READ LEVITICUS?? :P Sorry, I'm just a jerk. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: zachman on March 11, 2004, 09:14:00 PM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious.
Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Brambila on March 11, 2004, 09:21:26 PM Yeah, I'm Catholic... if I would ever convert to Judaism I'd probably go Orthodox. So much culture ;)
It's too bad you don't care about your religion! You should research it a bit more, it's quite fascinating... Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: zachman on March 11, 2004, 09:26:01 PM Why should I? I have all I need. I can tell people I celebrate different holidays, and that I go to a Hebrew School that Adam Sandler got kicked out of. Jewish food is pretty fun though.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Brambila on March 11, 2004, 10:01:20 PM It's always good to be open minded about these things...
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 04:01:48 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 12, 2004, 11:22:50 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 11:24:09 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 12, 2004, 11:25:06 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 11:26:00 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 12, 2004, 11:31:09 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'. Well, have any sort of connection to the Jewish community, religion, habits, etc. But I see that it depends on how you view the defintion. I always thought of Jews as a people, and my people are the Swedes. But I was primarily thinking of becoming an Israeli citizen, which would be an official step. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 11:43:02 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'. Well, have any sort of connection to the Jewish community, religion, habits, etc. But I see that it depends on how you view the defintion. I always thought of Jews as a people, and my people are the Swedes. But I was primarily thinking of becoming an Israeli citizen, which would be an official step. you kidding me Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 12, 2004, 11:57:37 AM I thought it was the opposite. Oh well I'm Jewish, reform Judiasm to be specific, which is like the unitarian or presybyterian branch of Judiasm. In other words we are not bound to any beliefs or responsibility, so most of us are non-religious. Did I mention Adam Sandler belongs to our synagogue, and stops by on a semi-annual basis? it is by the mother's Yep, which means I could be a Jew if I wanted to. :) if your mother is jewish you ARE jewish Yeah, but I don't act like one, I mean I could be Jewish 'officially'. Well, have any sort of connection to the Jewish community, religion, habits, etc. But I see that it depends on how you view the defintion. I always thought of Jews as a people, and my people are the Swedes. But I was primarily thinking of becoming an Israeli citizen, which would be an official step. you kidding me No, I'm not. I suppose you're defining Jewish as an ethnic label? But it's a little confused. Still, like I said I was thinking more about the issue of Israeli citizenship, since I heard once that I could apply for that due to heritage. For clarification, I should probably mention that my mother isn't really Jewish, you would ahve to go back to my grand grand-mother to find someone who was from a Jewish family. After that it's just the Mother's rule all the way. That's part of my reasoning. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 12, 2004, 01:02:37 PM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Brambila on March 12, 2004, 02:16:03 PM Quote Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. Hebrews are different. You arn't fully Hebrew if your mother is Hebrew- you're half hebrew. Most European Jews arn't Hebrew. By becoming a Jew, you're part of the Jewish Race, the non-gentile race. There really arn't any Hebrews around anymore. Nobody needs to "Act" Jewish to be Jewish. Many people are Jewish but don't act Jewish. I may be Jewish (we have yet to find out if my adopted Grandmother is Jewish or not), but I don't act Jewish at all. I'm Catholic. The only Yiddish phrase I'll ever say is "oy vey". Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 03:17:47 PM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. 1. there are more Sefaradic (oriental-middle eatren) jews then Ashknazi (eastern europ) jews in Israel today. 2. Jewish is religion AND race. 3. there are about 20% non jewish in Israel itself (mostly muslims, but also christians, druz, etc) Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Gustaf on March 12, 2004, 05:41:01 PM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. I know plenty of atheists who are very Jewish. I have always viewed them as a people, a combination of ethnic and cultural traits, but that's me. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 12, 2004, 05:43:01 PM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. I know plenty of atheists who are very Jewish. I have always viewed them as a people, a combination of ethnic and cultural traits, but that's me. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: zachman on March 12, 2004, 07:56:02 PM Jews are very afraid of religion. For me it is just the cultural and social element that will keep me in the religion. I don't really have a religious agreement with other Jews, and I radically believe they are wrong if they have any eccestential beliefs.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 13, 2004, 01:56:36 AM Jews are very afraid of religion not more or less then any other Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 13, 2004, 02:06:58 AM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. 1. there are more Sefaradic (oriental-middle eatren) jews then Ashknazi (eastern europ) jews in Israel today. 2. Jewish is religion AND race. 3. there are about 20% non jewish in Israel itself (mostly muslims, but also christians, druz, etc) Can any modern Jew trace their heritage back to any of the twelve tribes? Can they even trace back to the times of Jesus? Just curious. Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 13, 2004, 02:09:38 AM Jewish is a religion, not a race. The people of Israel now are Jewish in religion, but most are not true HEBREWS that originally lived there at the time of Jesus. Most Israelies are Russian or Eastern European. 1. there are more Sefaradic (oriental-middle eatren) jews then Ashknazi (eastern europ) jews in Israel today. 2. Jewish is religion AND race. 3. there are about 20% non jewish in Israel itself (mostly muslims, but also christians, druz, etc) Can any modern Jew trace their heritage back to any of the twelve tribes? Can they even trace back to the times of Jesus? Just curious. 1. yes 2. it's only 2+ tribes, the ones from kingdom of Judea, thr other 10 vanish in 7th century bc Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 13, 2004, 02:18:55 AM Can you name or show me any group that has? And do they have a site where I can see the lineage? The Jews were "scattered to the wind". I dont believe any Jewish person alive can trace their lineage back to the tribes.
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 13, 2004, 02:26:26 AM Can you name or show me any group that has? And do they have a site where I can see the lineage? The Jews were "scattered to the wind". I dont believe any Jewish person alive can trace their lineage back to the tribes. If you do not belive why ask? you are so sure that you are right about anything. thare are jews that never left Hebron from King David to thr massacer of 1929 Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: ?????????? on March 13, 2004, 10:05:47 AM I'm just saying the bible says the Jews were "scattered to the wind".
Title: Re:Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dunn on March 13, 2004, 12:49:31 PM I'm just saying the bible says the Jews were "scattered to the wind". no you are not. you says much worst stuff and i am surprize that an inteligent man like you is falling to that hole Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 09, 2014, 02:14:25 PM Europe.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 09, 2014, 07:18:55 PM Did you bump this to bring back StatesRights to the forefront of our veteran posters minds?
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 09, 2014, 08:33:35 PM Did you bump this to bring back StatesRights to the forefront of our veteran posters minds? No, I think people are genuinely interested in my European ancestry. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 09, 2014, 09:27:52 PM 7/16 Irish (Protestant of course)
1/4 German 1/4 English 1/16 Scottish My paternal line is United Empire Loyalist with a possible branch going to the Mayflower. My last name is much more common in the US than here. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Flake on July 09, 2014, 09:43:23 PM Mainly Germany and Ireland.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Cranberry on July 10, 2014, 04:39:09 AM Three different valleys in the mountains of Tirol, no one more than 40 Kilometres away from my home.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Tender Branson on July 10, 2014, 07:09:52 AM Since records began, all from Austria.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Spamage on July 10, 2014, 08:59:38 AM Dutch, German, Scottish, and Irish.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on July 10, 2014, 09:04:39 AM Greece & Serbia
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 10, 2014, 09:43:46 AM My maternal Grandmother's mother came from an English family descended from the Earls of Northampton, while her father's family came from Scotland and Ireland. My maternal grandfather's family is of Cherokee, Irish and German background. Somewhere way, way back up the line we might have a black ancestor as well, according to my great-Aunt.
My paternal Grandfather's father was an immigrant from Sicily, while my late paternal grandmother's mother was of German (mostly Bavarian) descent, though her birth father (who ran off when she was three) may have been Jewish, which would add a bit more diversity to my largely Anglo-Scots-Irish-German background. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 10, 2014, 10:34:12 AM Italy
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: afleitch on July 10, 2014, 10:53:18 AM All Scottish. Small Irish contingent.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 10, 2014, 12:25:15 PM My father's father's family is from Karimganj and my mother's mother's family is from Feni. I don't know the others but obviously everyone was from eastern Bengal.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Oldiesfreak1854 on July 10, 2014, 07:54:56 PM I only know half my ancestry, but that's what I generally go by. My great-great grandfather's family were mostly Irish immigrants who settled in Canada to escape the potato famine. He came to America (from Canada) alone with his brother when he was seven years old. My great-great grandmother's family was Scottish; they came to America from Orkney, where her father had been a sea captain. My great grandfather was one of their sons.
My great grandmother's family also came from a mostly Scottish and Irish background (as I understand), but they also had some Pennsylvania Dutch in them as well. I understand that one of her ancestors was a Mennonite deacon (I don't know if any of them were Amish specifically, but I know there were some Mennonites among them.) She also claimed to have some Native American ancestry somewhere, but if she did, it was probably only as much as Elizabeth Warren's. :) They mostly settled in western Ohio (around Lima), and many of them still live there. I'm actually distantly related to Neil Armstrong through them. My grandpa (whom I never knew) was also originally Canadian; his mother was of Irish ancestry and his father of Scottish descent (that seems to be a pattern in my family.) He worked as a boxing promoter in Detroit for many years and trained the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 10, 2014, 08:20:29 PM To be more precise: I'm half-Polack on my mother's side. On my dad's side I'm primarily Norwegian, with some mix of Scottish, Dutch, and other European nationalities I don't remember. My dad's family has been in this country for a very long time and my ancestry can be traced back to the first Christian European woman born in what would later become New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Rapelje) and one of the earliest settlers of New Amsterdam. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hansen_Bergen) As a side, I believe I might be related to some Revolutionary War veterans, but I'm not sure which ones.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Atlas Has Shrugged on July 10, 2014, 08:40:12 PM To be more precise: I'm half-Polack on my mother's side. On my dad's side I'm primarily Norwegian, with some mix of Scottish, Dutch, and other European nationalities I don't remember. My dad's family has been in this country for a very long time and my ancestry can be traced back to the first Christian European woman born in what would later become New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Rapelje) and one of the earliest settlers of New Amsterdam. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hansen_Bergen) As a side, I believe I might be related to some Revolutionary War veterans, but I'm not sure which ones. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Dr. Cynic on July 10, 2014, 11:54:53 PM I can go pretty damn far back, but in the gist of keeping it short, my ancestors within the past 200 years yielded from West Country England, specifically Veryan/Truro in Cornwall and Plymouth as well as in around Hampshire.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Mr. Morden on July 11, 2014, 12:53:48 AM Father's father's side is German. Father's mother's side is Norwegian/Swedish.
My mother's side is a mix of everything from the British Isles: English/Scottish/Irish/Welsh, but pretty sure English is the largest component of that. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on July 11, 2014, 05:41:33 AM I thought we had a standing policy against thread necromancy? Particularly when it is a generic topic of discussion?
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 11, 2014, 12:53:08 PM Mother's Side: India. Specifically from Calcutta (New Alipur suburb) in West Bengal. However, go back a bit over 100 years, and they were actually affluent farmers from Chittagong, now part of Bangladesh. They left because of economic opportunity for colonial administrative jobs in Calcutta, and the fact that they were Brahims (Brahmos?) in a very Muslim city. Brahmins and adherents of the Brahmo Samaj are different things, although obviously many of the latter were also the former. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Clarko95 📚💰📈 on July 11, 2014, 10:41:16 PM Mother's Side: India. Specifically from Calcutta (New Alipur suburb) in West Bengal. However, go back a bit over 100 years, and they were actually affluent farmers from Chittagong, now part of Bangladesh. They left because of economic opportunity for colonial administrative jobs in Calcutta, and the fact that they were Brahims (Brahmos?) in a very Muslim city. Brahmins and adherents of the Brahmo Samaj are different things, although obviously many of the latter were also the former. Asked her, the answer is Brahmo Samaj. Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Miles on July 12, 2014, 12:53:26 AM Sicilian on mom's side, Irish on dad's side. There's some English and Cherokee mixed in on my dad's side, but I identify as Sicilian/Irish overall.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: dead0man on July 12, 2014, 01:00:15 AM Dad's side is all German. Mom's side is English/mutt.
Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: Horus on July 12, 2014, 01:15:29 AM Maternal Grandfather - Romanian Jewish
Maternal Grandmother - Hungarian Jewish Paternal Grandfather - German, English, Lebanese Paternal Grandmother - English, Scottish, French Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: The world will shine with light in our nightmare on July 13, 2014, 12:54:26 AM This is just a tad bit irrelevant to the thread, but my mom and I did some research on my ancestors on my father's side, and we came across this little factoid...
Quote in. George B., b. Nov. 8, 1843, at Pennington; m. Aug. 5, 1867, Ella H., b. Sept. 7, 1845, dau. of the late Rev. Isaac Winner, D.D., and Mary A. Winner. Received a limited education. In the late southern rebellion, enlisted in 1862 as a private in a New Jersey company, was appointed lieutenant by Gov. Parker of said state, in which capacity he served to the end of the war, being engaged among other battles in that of Antietam. At one time a prisoner confined for three months in a rebel prison, and liberated through the instrumentality of Judge Bond of Baltimore. At the close of the war, studied law, and was admitted to the bar in Philadelphia, in 1867. Removed to East Tennessee in 1869, following his profession. Took command of a regiment of state troops for the purpose of suppressing Ku-Klux Klans in North Carolina, in which capacity as Col. Bergen he acquired at the time newspaper notoriety, and in the melee was arrested in North Carolina, released on a writ of Habeas Corpus, and also arrested in Danville, Virginia, and again released. Subsequendy nominated by Gen. Grant, as U. S. consul at Pernambuco, South America, but his name at his own request was withdrawn from the senate before confirmation. Traveled through the western states and territories in 1872 and 1873, taking an active part in the political campaign on the stump as a republican speaker. I didn't even know we had family members that fought in the Civil War! Title: Re: Where your ancestors were from? Post by: H. Ross Peron on July 13, 2014, 12:55:22 AM Korean
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