Title: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 16, 2008, 05:07:24 AM Down to Mr Moderate
Valid Votes: 66 Quota 12 Round 1 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) (2 second pref.s) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) (16 second pref.s) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) (1 second pref.) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) (12 second pref.s) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) (11 second pref.s) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) (8 second pref.s) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) (6 second pref.s) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) (4 second pref.s) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) (1 second pref.) benconstine 1 (self) (1 second pref.) benconstine eliminated. Round 2 Dwdl 11 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke, benconstine) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) Happy eliminated. Round 3 Dwdl 11 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke, benconstine) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Andy Jackson, Cookies) Sensei 9 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Meeker, Happy, Jedi) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) exhausted 1 (Phil) Andrew eliminated Round 4 Dwdl 11 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke, benconstine) Al 10 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh, Hugh) Sensei 10 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Meeker, Happy, Jedi, Rocky) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Andy Jackson, Cookies) Jas 8 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Polnut, Mr Mod) Colin 8 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS, Andrew, fez) exhausted 1 (Phil) Colin eliminated. No time to do the full count now, nor did I check whether any vote actually travels to Dwdl before. Somebody else do that. I'm going to bed. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 16, 2008, 02:03:07 PM Those are an interesting first two winners.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: The Mikado on August 16, 2008, 02:32:57 PM Those are an interesting first two winners. True, but there are a lot of people who are holding off on voting until they know where their second preferences could best be used. I know that's what I'm doing. Don't get confident yet. (Though I think that you and DWTL will both pick up a seat) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 16, 2008, 02:35:47 PM Those are an interesting first two winners. True, but there are a lot of people who are holding off on voting until they know where their second preferences could best be used. I know that's what I'm doing. Don't get confident yet. (Though I think that you and DWTL will both pick up a seat) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 17, 2008, 04:42:07 AM For amusement value only - same votes, different no.s of seats.
One vacancy, quota 10 Round 1 Sensei 3 Xahar 3 Dwdl 3 Colin 2 Andrew 2 Al 2 Culture King 2 Jas 1 Jas eliminated. Round 2 Sensei 3 Xahar 3 Dwdl 3 Colin 3 Andrew 2 Al 2 Culture King 2 Culture King eliminated. Round 3 Sensei 5 Xahar 3 Colin 3 Dwdl 3 Andrew 2 Al 2 Al eliminated. Round 4 Sensei 5 Xahar 5 Colin 3 Dwdl 3 Andrew 2 Andrew eliminated. Round 5 Sensei 6 Xahar 5 Colin 4 Dwdl 3 Dwdl eliminated. Round 6 Xahar 7 Sensei 6 Colin 5 Colin eliminated. Round 7 Xahar 9 Sensei 9 well... in the old days it'd go to a runoff. Two vacancies, quota 7 Same to Round 6, where Xahar (quota) and Sensei (without a quota) are elected. Three vacancies, quota 5 (...) Round 3 (...) Sensei elected, Al eliminated. (...) Round 4 (...) Xahar elected, Andrew eliminated. Round 5 Sensei 5 Xahar 5 Colin 5 Dwdl 3 Colin elected. Four vacancies, quota 4 as real election to Round 4, where Al eliminated. Round 5 Sensei 4 Xahar 5 (Torie, Evilmex, Hash, Lief, Franzl) Colin 3.6 (self, Bull, Gustaf 1, Bacon, Alcon, CK .2) Dwdl 3 Andrew 2.4 Xahar elected, surplus redistributed. Round 6 Sensei 4 (self, Bacon, GM3, Alcon, CK .8) Xahar 4 (Torie, Evilmex, Hash, Lief, Franzl .8) Colin 3.8 (self, Bull, Gustaf 1, Bacon, Alcon, CK, Hash .2) Dwdl 3.2 (PiT, Inks, Smid 1, Torie .2) Andrew 3 (self, Rocky 1, Sensei, GM3, Evilmex, Franzl, Lief .2) Andrew eliminated, Colin, Dwdl elected. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 17, 2008, 01:01:25 PM Eh, my third choice was DWTL. What happens to surplus votes of a winner again?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 17, 2008, 02:15:20 PM Eh, my third choice was DWTL. What happens to surplus votes of a winner again? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 18, 2008, 08:54:53 AM Updated count to Sensei...
(With bonus tutorial notes!) Total Valid Votes: 12 Quota: 3 Count 1
Notes Evilmexicandictator is included on my list due to his writing-in of himself. On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) Xahar reaches the quota and is deemed elected. With no surplus available to distribute, the lowest placed candidates are eliminated. benconstine, HappyWarrior, Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are all eliminated on 0 votes - changing nothing. Al is therefore eliminated as the next lowest placed remaining candidate and his vote will be redistributed in Count 2. Count 2
Notes Lief's vote for Al flows to his #3 preference (AndrewCT) because his #2 preference (Xahar) is already deemed elected. Andrew reaches the necessary 3 votes and is deemed elected. That leaves 4 candidates for 3 seats, and no surpluses to redistribute, so the highest 3 remainign candidates are deemed elected without reaching the quota. Therefore, on current figures, the 5 Senators-elect would be: #1 Xahar #2 AndrewCT #3 Sensei #4 DWTL #5 Colin Persons confused are encouraged to either (i) ask questions or (ii) remain confused. It's your choose! Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 18, 2008, 09:07:57 AM Soem other ways of looking at things...
(just for fun! ;D) (To Sensei)
Notes Xahar and DWTL benefit slightly because they received no preference whatever from bullmoose. EMD and CultureKing have so far only received a single preference apiece so they are only included for completeness. Mean #1 Jas #2 Colin #3 AndrewCT #4 Xahar #5 Sensei Median #1 Jas #2 Colin =#3 Xahar =#3 AndrewCT #5 Sensei Mode #1 Xahar #2 Colin #3 Jas #4 Sensei #5 Al Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 18, 2008, 12:18:43 PM Updated count to GM3...
Total Valid Votes: 13 Quota: 3 Count 1
Notes Evilmexicandictator is included on my list due to his writing-in of himself. On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) Xahar and Sensei reach the quota and are deemed elected. With no surplus available to distribute, the lowest placed candidates are eliminated. benconstine, HappyWarrior, Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are all eliminated on 0 votes - changing nothing. Al is therefore eliminated as the next lowest placed remaining candidate and his vote will be redistributed in Count 2. Count 2
Notes Lief's vote for Al flows to his #3 preference (AndrewCT) because his #2 preference (Xahar) is already deemed elected. Andrew reaches the necessary 3 votes and is deemed elected. That leaves 4 candidates for 3 seats, and no surpluses to redistribute, so the highest 3 remaining candidates are deemed elected without reaching the quota. Therefore, on current figures, the 5 Senators-elect would be: #1 Xahar #2 Sensei #3 AndrewCT #4 DWTL #5 Colin Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 18, 2008, 09:31:45 PM I'm very pleasantly surprised. At this point, I'm probably voting for Al.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 19, 2008, 03:59:45 AM Dated Up. (Infotainment post as well.)
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 19, 2008, 04:09:54 AM Letter to the editorial collective:
Hey, just a note on the Senate election count. On a completely pedantic point, which is of no relevance (at the minute), Xahar has 3 #2 preferences (PiT, Lief, Franzl) - he's still behind Sensei, but based on 4th preferences. Mr. Jas is correct. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 19, 2008, 02:15:26 PM At the moment, 3 NLC, 2 SDP. Not bad.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 11:02:56 AM Updated count to DWTL...
Total Valid Votes: 19 Quota: 4 Count 1
Notes *Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are included due to writing-in themselves in. All other write-ins are being ignored, lest the persons affected declare they are running. *On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) *DWTL reaches the quota and is deemed elected. *With no surplus available to distribute, the lowest placed candidates are eliminated. benconstine, HappyWarrior, Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are all eliminated on 0 votes - changing nothing. *Jas is therefore eliminated as the next lowest placed remaining candidate and his vote will be redistributed in Count 2. Count 2 (Distribution of Jas's vote)
Notes Gustaf's vote for Jas flows to his #2 preference (Colin) who rises to a total of 3 votes. With no new candidates elected and still no surplus to redistribute, the next lowest ranked candidate (CultureKing) is eliminated. Count 3 (Distribution of CultureKing's votes)
Notes CultureKing's votes (those cast by Alcon and CultureKing) both transfer to their #2 preference, Sensei. Sensei therefore passes the quota and is deemed elected with a surplus of 1. As the surplus can affect the count (i.e. get someone elected and/or save the last placed candidate from elimination) it will be distributed next. Count 4 (Distribution of Sensei's surplus)
Notes Sensei's surplus of 1 (with the quota set at 4) means that each of the 5 votes will be transfered at a value of 1/5, i.e. 0.2 each. Sensei's surplus can only be distributed to either Xahar, Colin, AndrewCT or Al - whichever of them is ranked highest on each of the ballots. Bacon King and Alcon next preferenced Colin, so he gains 0.4 Sensei and GM3 next preferenced AndrewCT, so he also gains 0.4 CultureKing next preferenced Al, so he gains 0.2 Nobody else is elected and no surplus is available to distribute. With only 4 candidates for the 3 remaining seats, the lowest placed candidate (Al) is eliminated and the remaining 3 deemed elected without reaching the quota. Result #1 DWTL #2 Sensei #3 Xahar #4 Colin #5 AndrewCT Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 12:04:29 PM Updated count to SPC...
Total Valid Votes: 20 Quota: 4 Count 1
Notes *Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are included due to writing-in themselves in. All other write-ins are being ignored, lest the persons affected declare they are running. *On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) *DWTL surpasses the quota and is deemed elected with a surplus of 1. As the surplus can 'materially affect the progress of the count' (i.e. get someone elected and/or save the last ranked candidate from elimination) it will be distributed next. Count 2 (Distribution of DWTL's surplus)
Notes Given his surplus of 1 (with the quota at 4), the 5 votes for DWTL are transfered at a value of 0.2 each. PiT, Smid and DWTL all preferenced Xahar as #2, so he gains 0.6 Inks preferenced benconstine #2, so he gains 0.2 SPC did not preference any other candidate, so 0.2 is non-transferable. Following the redistribution, no new candidates were elected and no surpluses are available to distrbibute. Therefore we must start eliminating candidates. EMD and HappyWarrior are eliminated on 0 votes, changing nothing. Therefore next to be eliminated is benconstine. Count 3 (Distribution of benconstine's vote)
Notes ben's 0.2 comes from the vote of Inks, which now flows to his #3 preference, Colin. With nobody elected, Jas is now eliminated. Count 4 (Distribution of Jas's vote)
Notes Gustaf's vote for Jas flows to his #2 preference (Colin). With no new candidates elected and still no surplus to redistribute, the next lowest ranked candidate (CultureKing) is eliminated. Count 5 (Distribution of CultureKing's votes)
Notes CultureKing's votes (those cast by Alcon and CultureKing) both transfer to their #2 preference, Sensei. Sensei therefore passes the quota and is deemed elected with a surplus of 1. As the surplus can affect the count (i.e. get someone elected and/or save the last placed candidate from elimination) it will be distributed next. Count 6 (Distribution of Sensei's surplus)
Notes Sensei's surplus of 1 (with the quota set at 4) means that each of the 5 votes will be transfered at a value of 1/5, i.e. 0.2 each. Sensei's surplus can only be distributed to either Xahar, Colin, AndrewCT or Al - whichever of them is ranked highest on each of the ballots. Bacon King and Alcon next preferenced Colin, so he gains 0.4 Sensei and GM3 next preferenced AndrewCT, so he also gains 0.4 CultureKing next preferenced Al, so he gains 0.2 Nobody else is elected and no surplus is available to distribute. With only 4 candidates for the 3 remaining seats, the lowest placed candidate (Al) is eliminated and the remaining 3 deemed elected without reaching the quota. Result #1 DWTL #2 Sensei #3 Xahar #4 Colin #5 AndrewCT Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 20, 2008, 12:09:21 PM Maybe this system isn't so bad after all, I've still got a decent amount of supporters yet to vote and I'm comfortably ahead for the moment. It's amazing that I am leading right now with I believe 0 2nd prefs, and 1 3rd pref
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 12:13:50 PM Maybe this system isn't so bad after all, I've still got a decent amount of supporters yet to vote and I'm comfortably ahead for the moment. It's amazing that I am leading right now with I believe 0 2nd prefs, and 1 3rd pref I make your distribution to date: 5-0-1-0-0-0-1-4-4-3. Where 5 is your total #1 preferences and 3 your total #10 preferences. It's the most divisive spread of any candidate with almost no middle-ground. At this point, you're only a small number of #1 preferences from a safe seat. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 12:27:16 PM Early Analysis
The top 5 have been fairly stable recently, with DWTL and Xahar consolidating their positions most strongly. DWTL tops the list thanks to a series of #1 preferences from the Atlasian hard right. His preference spread is interesting as he is clearly the most divisive figure on the ballot - he has received 5 #1s, but 11 preferences from #8-10 and hardly anything in between. Despite the very strong negatives, it shouldn't take too many more RPPites to ensure DWTL is there or thereabouts at the final count. Xahar has attracted probably the most politically varied assortment of voters amongst his top preferences, doing particularly well with those who favour DWTL #1, but also creditably with the Atlasian left. With the SDP largely yet to turn out, Xahar's prospects must be seen as strong. Sensei has a mix of strong and moderate support, with very little by way of negatives so far (these negatives correlating strongly with DWTL supporters). So far, it's the NLC left and JCP second preferences which seem to be propping up this campaign. With a lot of competition for the NLC vote and the JCP likely to need all their eggs in CultureKing's basket, Sensei is unlikely to be safe for a seat in this election, but will almost certainly be in with a shout until the end. Colin is arguably the flagship NLC candidate who so far has receievd no strongly negative votes and a relatively even spread of high-medium preferences from across the spectrum. The traditional NLC vote is where Colin's core support lies but if it prooves too thinly spread the general goodwill of the remainder of Atlasia will ensure he is should at least be in strong contention. AndrewCT is, like Colin, living off of the core NLC vote. Just how many people Atlasia's largest party is capable of supporting effectively will be tested in this election. In many ballots, he is preferenced behind Sensei or Colin, and one feels that unless he can muscle his way into contention for these votes, he may not in the end be returned. Al has been lodged in 6th spot for some time now, just shy of the winning post. His highest preferences so far are unsurprisingly from the solid Atlaisan left, though he clearly has goodwill from the centre and soft-right. Al will require SDP support and a good showing from the solid left to gain a seat. CultureKing has lost opportunities having to run via a write-in campaign. Thankfully for him however, his core JCP support (which was all he had on his previous run) probably won't need to see his name on the ballot to give him their thumbs up. With plenty more JCPers out there, CK's slow start camouflages the true potential of the JCP. Following the loss of the Pacifican seat from JCP hands, this election will tell whether or not the JCP remain a force in federal Atlasian politics. Jas though exhibiting minimal negatives (what there is being from some DWTL supporters) seems to lack any base of solid support on which to gather the all important #1 preferences. Jas's votes are clustered between preferences #2-5 scoring highest amongst moderates of both sides. Though sweeping the Swedish vote, it will be an uphill battle if Jas is to be elected. benconstine is challenging DWTL for having received the strongest negatives of all. 11 of the 20 votes cast so far have ranked him at #8 or 9 - coming from voters across the political spectrum. His highest preferences so far being a #2 from Inks and a #3 from AndrewCT. It would be a miraculous recovery for ben to salvage a Senate seat from this position. HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 20, 2008, 12:47:23 PM I think you overestimate the JCPs love for CK, remember his defection is the reason they lost the Pacific senate seat for the first time I can remember.
Xahar and HW's strong support for the RPP should also continue Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 12:54:55 PM I think you overestimate the JCPs love for CK, remember his defection is the reason they lost the Pacific senate seat for the first time I can remember. He's already landed Alcon's vote and the endorsement of the JCP leader: yay cultureking4senate Despite the vote for Torie, and what I would consider a voting record which is probably more centrist than the JCP as a whole; all the indications, so far, are that the JCP will give him their full support. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 20, 2008, 01:17:33 PM Count 3 (Distribution of benconstine's vote) Not that it matters in this case, but it theoretically might if a party's bullet voters make up considerably more than a quota... Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 20, 2008, 01:28:30 PM I think you overestimate the JCPs love for CK, remember his defection is the reason they lost the Pacific senate seat for the first time I can remember. He's already landed Alcon's vote and the endorsement of the JCP leader: yay cultureking4senate Despite the vote for Torie, and what I would consider a voting record which is probably more centrist than the JCP as a whole; all the indications, so far, are that the JCP will give him their full support. CultureKing will do just fine with the JCP. If they shaft him, they'll have nobody in the Senate. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 20, 2008, 05:38:50 PM Count 3 (Distribution of benconstine's vote) Yeah, I think so. (Though obviously, it's a weird scenario which I should imagine has never been tested in actual RL PR-STV situations.) Under my reading of the PR Act, eliminations are only allowed where no surplus exists which could materially affect the progress of the count. Such a surplus technically existed, so no elimination could be carried out. Given that he wasn't eliminated, he was a candidate for election and therefore eligible to receive votes. I never countenanced the scenario really arising, obviously, but I don't think it should be a problem. Just a quirk.. Not that it matters in this case, but it theoretically might if a party's bullet voters make up considerably more than a quota... Yeah. I suppose so...that'd be interesting :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 20, 2008, 06:08:46 PM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 20, 2008, 08:15:02 PM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Unlikely. The coattails aren't strong enough. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 20, 2008, 08:25:38 PM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Unlikely. The coattails aren't strong enough. The way PR-STV is set up, you're not going to have anyone be pulled up by coattails unless the margin for them to reach the quota is razor-thin or the person they get coattails from wins first preferences by a vast margin. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 20, 2008, 08:26:51 PM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Unlikely. The coattails aren't strong enough. The way PR-STV is set up, you're not going to have anyone be pulled up by coattails unless the margin for them to reach the quota is razor-thin or the person they get coattails from wins first preferences by a vast margin. True, but they do nevertheless exist. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 20, 2008, 09:04:35 PM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Unlikely. The coattails aren't strong enough. The way PR-STV is set up, you're not going to have anyone be pulled up by coattails unless the margin for them to reach the quota is razor-thin or the person they get coattails from wins first preferences by a vast margin. True, but they do nevertheless exist. I never said they didn't. I said that they are not really significant, barring extraordinary circumstances. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 21, 2008, 03:51:14 AM HappyWarrior seems neither hated nor loved by the Atlasian electorate. He has received no #1 or #2 votes, but similarly has received few strongly negative preferences. A majority of his highest preferences have so far come from DWTL supporters, are are unlikely to have the coattails to help HW get anywhere this time out. If the results hold and Xahar and myself are the first two elected, with HappyWarrior garnering 5 3rd prefs so far (and presumably more given the amount of RPPs left to vote) can that push him over the top? Hugely unlikely, unless I'm greatly underestimating the total votes yourself and Xahar will receive; or underestimating the number of #1 preferences HappyWarrior will end up with. You can't transfer any more than your surplus. So far in this election, nobody has had a surplus greater than 1 vote. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 21, 2008, 04:16:25 AM Updated count to Verily...
[This count contains just about anything that a PR-STV election count can throw at you. It should be a useful guide for anyone seeking to get to grips with the system. As is usual, any questions are welcome.] Total Valid Votes: 21 Quota: 4 Count 1
Notes *Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are included due to writing-in themselves in. All other write-ins are being ignored, lest the persons affected declare they are running. *On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) *DWTL surpasses the quota and is deemed elected with a surplus of 1. As the surplus can 'materially affect the progress of the count' (i.e. get someone elected and/or save the last ranked candidate from elimination) it will be distributed next. Count 2 (Distribution of DWTL's surplus)
Notes Given his surplus of 1 (with the quota at 4), the 5 votes for DWTL are transfered at a value of 1/5 each. PiT, Smid and DWTL all preferenced Xahar as #2, so he gains 0.6 Inks preferenced benconstine #2, so he gains 0.2 SPC did not preference any other candidate, so 0.2 is non-transferable. Following the redistribution, no new candidates were elected and no surpluses are available to distrbibute. Therefore we must start eliminating candidates. EMD and HappyWarrior are eliminated on 0 votes, changing nothing. Therefore next to be eliminated is benconstine. Count 3 (Distribution of benconstine's vote)
Notes ben's 0.2 comes from the vote of Inks, which now flows to his #3 preference, Colin. With nobody elected, Jas is now eliminated. Count 4 (Distribution of Jas's vote)
Notes Gustaf's vote for Jas flows to his #2 preference (Colin) who is deemed elected with a surplus of 0.2 As the surplus is enough to save the bottom ranked candidate from elimination, it will be distributed. Count 5 (Suppy fun happy distribution of Colin's surplus)
Notes Fractional surpluses are probably the most difficult aspect of PR-STV counting. As before, surpluses are transfered at a reduced value (Surplus/Candidate's Total Vote). Therefore each of Colin's 4 full votes is transfered at a value of 1/21 of a vote. The 0.2 of a vote (that of Inks) is transfered at 1/105 of a vote. Taking each vote individually: bullmoose: Flows to #2 preference AndrewCT Colin: Skips #2 preference, Jas (already eliminated); Flows to #3 preference, Al Verily: Flows to #2 preference AndrewCT Gustaf: Flows to #3 preference, Al Inks: Skips #4 preference, Jas (eliminated); flows to #5 preference, Xahar Therefore, AndrewCT and Al both gain 2/21 of a vote each, and Xahar gains 1/105 of a vote. As allowed in the Act, I've used decimals in the count above and rounded off for presentation. Nobody is elected, so CultureKing is eliminated. Count 7 (Distribution of CultureKing's votes)
Notes CultureKing's votes (those cast by Alcon and CultureKing) both transfer to their #2 preference, Sensei. Sensei therefore passes the quota and is deemed elected with a surplus of 1. As the surplus can affect the count (i.e. get someone elected and/or save the last placed candidate from elimination) it will be distributed next. Count 8 (Distribution of Sensei's surplus)
Notes Sensei's surplus of 1 (with the quota set at 4) means that each of the 5 votes will be transfered at a value of 1/5, i.e. 0.2 each. Sensei's surplus can only be distributed to either Xahar, Colin, AndrewCT or Al - whichever of them is ranked highest on each of the ballots. Bacon King's vote skips Colin and Jas, flowing to AndrewCT Alcon's vote skips Colin and Jas, flowing to Al Sensei's vote flows to AndrewCT CultureKing's vote flows to Al GM3's vote flows to AndrewCT Therefore, AndrewCT gains 0.6, and Al gains 0.4 Nobody else is elected and no surplus is available to distribute. With only 4 candidates for the 3 remaining seats, the lowest placed candidate (Al) is eliminated and the remaining 3 candidates deemed elected without reaching the quota. Result #1 DWTL #2 Colin #3 Sensei #4 Xahar #5 AndrewCT Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on August 21, 2008, 05:00:15 AM Jas, thanks for covering this Election, much appreciated, when I still do not know how the PR system of electing Senators works. Not to mention, I like your analysis on the candidates and which sort of Atlasian voter is voting for them, I didn't expect that. I do hope if you decide to cover the next batch of elections, that you will do just that. Keep up the good work Jas :).
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 21, 2008, 06:05:42 AM Jas, thanks for covering this Election, much appreciated, when I still do not know how the PR system of electing Senators works. No problem. The best way to understand PR-STV is by example. Hopefully these electoral snapshots should prove useful in that regard for all those interested. At the first PR-STV election, there was some confusion as to the counting method. Lewis was spot-on each time then, so I've decided to jump onto his bandwagon here and hopefully keep everyone prioperly informed of the standings. Not to mention, I like your analysis on the candidates and which sort of Atlasian voter is voting for them, I didn't expect that. It's a fascinating election. Now about 21 votes in, we're between a third and half way to the final vote totals, with still 7 (or 8, if you count myself) candidates in with a reasonable shot of getting elected. Having 10 candidates to preference gives us a lot of information about voter preferences, that we don't get very often in Atlasia where it's usually a 2 or 3 man race. Some of the choices are very interesting, just thought I'd comment a bit about it. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 21, 2008, 01:51:39 PM I need to focus on getting more non right-wing preferences.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 21, 2008, 02:05:39 PM I need to focus on getting more non right-wing preferences. What's wrong with the right-wing? :( Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 21, 2008, 02:08:35 PM I need to focus on getting more non right-wing preferences. What's wrong with the right-wing? :( You're not big enough. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 21, 2008, 04:16:43 PM Oh Xahar, why didn't you ever challenge Ebowed's bill... :P
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 21, 2008, 04:16:48 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode"
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 21, 2008, 04:20:55 PM I need to focus on getting more non right-wing preferences. What's wrong with the right-wing? :( You're not big enough. You have plenty of SDP supporters in addition to the RPP second preferences. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 21, 2008, 04:21:43 PM Oh Xahar, why didn't you ever challenge Ebowed's bill... :P I never got around to it, and I'm not even sure it'd be illegal. I need to focus on getting more non right-wing preferences. What's wrong with the right-wing? :( You're not big enough. You have plenty of SDP supporters in addition to the RPP second preferences. I hope so. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 21, 2008, 04:55:14 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 21, 2008, 04:56:15 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Although this one I must say is quite humorous. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 21, 2008, 04:59:10 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Although this one I must say is quite humorous. What's the law? Anyone who dares to challenge Governor bgwah shall be listed as "Chode" on the ballot? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 21, 2008, 05:02:08 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Although this one I must say is quite humorous. What's the law? Anyone who dares to challenge Governor bgwah shall be listed as "Chode" on the ballot? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 21, 2008, 05:23:26 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Although this one I must say is quite humorous. What's the law? Anyone who dares to challenge Governor bgwah shall be listed as "Chode" on the ballot? Nice. :) I noticed that DWTL continues to be extremely divisive. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 21, 2008, 05:24:07 PM I noticed that DWTL continues to be extremely divisive. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 21, 2008, 05:44:08 PM Wow, Jesus has listed Xahar on the Pacific ballot as "Chode" Although this one I must say is quite humorous. What's the law? Anyone who dares to challenge Governor bgwah shall be listed as "Chode" on the ballot? https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Accuracy_in_Balloting_Act Ebowed and Friz voted for it, and Xahar voted against. lol Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 21, 2008, 05:46:13 PM What do "chode" mean?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 21, 2008, 05:50:19 PM What do "chode" mean? I suggest using urban dictionary, but let's just say it has to do with anatomy Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 21, 2008, 09:04:10 PM I felt kind of bad writing the ballot, but the law is the law...
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 21, 2008, 09:18:02 PM I felt kind of bad writing the ballot, but the law is the law... You could've vetoed it. ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 21, 2008, 10:50:43 PM I felt kind of bad writing the ballot, but the law is the law... You could've vetoed it. ;) No, I can't veto things with two thirds approval. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: MaxQue on August 21, 2008, 11:20:35 PM The next Pacific Legislature law should be the True Accuracy in Balloting Act.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: dead0man on August 22, 2008, 12:48:10 AM What do "chode" mean? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 22, 2008, 01:20:58 AM Bgwah, you are a mayor Daley machine boss type, with arguably some questionable ethics, but you make the trains run on time, in your little fiefdom, more than some other ones, and I would have voted for you anyway. :P The Pacific region is quite the political snake pit. Cheers.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 22, 2008, 01:27:31 AM Bgwah, you are a mayor Daley machine boss type, with arguably some questionable ethics, but you make the trains run on time, in your little fiefdom, more than some other ones, and I would have voted for you anyway. :P The Pacific region is quite the political snake pit. Cheers. Welcome to the one-party state. This is what the Southeast hopefully will be in a few months. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 22, 2008, 04:04:31 AM The next Pacific Legislature law should be the True Accuracy in Balloting Act. "All candidates shall be listed on the ballot as "Chode". They shall be identified on the ballot only by their state and party affiliation. Should there be two candidates from the same state with the same party affiliation, they shall be additionally identified by their forum number code". (If you click on view profile and check the address, that's the digits at the end. Not sure what it's officially called - somebody better check that before passing the law). Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 22, 2008, 04:20:43 AM Count updated.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 09:02:06 AM Still liking my chances, I've actually started to rack up a few 2nd and 3rd prefs. My campaign is currently predicting a voter turnout between 50-60 and a quota between 10-12
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 22, 2008, 10:23:34 AM Hey! While I was updating, two more votes came in! Not fair! :D
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 10:28:19 AM Why do you have Benconstine's vote flowing to Andrew once he's eliminated?? I'm his 2nd pref, I am confusing the rules again :P
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 22, 2008, 10:49:56 AM Why do you have Benconstine's vote flowing to Andrew once he's eliminated?? I'm his 2nd pref, I am confusing the rules again :P Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 22, 2008, 01:31:32 PM It is fascinating to see how the votes spill all over the place. There are wheels within wheels going on here. Jas did a yeoman's job try to make some sense of it all, but it is an uphill battle I think to do that. :)
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: dead0man on August 22, 2008, 03:02:01 PM Yeah, I really like this system as it's probably the most fair to the most political groups and would like to see it in the US. Sadly it's VERY confusing.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 22, 2008, 03:40:40 PM Yeah, I really like this system as it's probably the most fair to the most political groups and would like to see it in the US. Sadly it's VERY confusing. Well, it's worked fine in Australia. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: The Mikado on August 22, 2008, 05:28:27 PM How is a vote without a first preference counted?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 22, 2008, 05:33:58 PM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. (per the Consolidated Electoral Reform Act). Also see Akno21 v Fritz: "For any vote to be valid, there must be no doubt as to the intent of the voter." Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 22, 2008, 05:37:16 PM It is fascinating to see how the votes spill all over the place. There are wheels within wheels going on here. Jas did a yeoman's job try to make some sense of it all, but it is an uphill battle I think to do that. :) Still open for questions! ;D Like most things, with a bit of experience it should become clearer and more understandable. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 06:23:37 PM Alright I have a question:
What do you with DCUnited's vote? I looked it over a few times and it looks like she does not have a 1st preference, a 2nd-9th are there, but no first. Does 2nd automatically become first and so on? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 22, 2008, 06:28:08 PM Alright I have a question: What do you with DCUnited's vote? I looked it over a few times and it looks like she does not have a 1st preference, a 2nd-9th are there, but no first. Does 2nd automatically become first and so on? I presume that's why Mikado asked his question, and I really don't have much to say beyond what I said above. It is a judgment call for the SoFA. If I were SoFA, I wouldn't count it because I don't know what she intended. But that's hypotethical and there's no point second guessing the SoFA. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 22, 2008, 06:30:36 PM Alright I have a question: What do you with DCUnited's vote? I looked it over a few times and it looks like she does not have a 1st preference, a 2nd-9th are there, but no first. Does 2nd automatically become first and so on? I presume that's why Mikado asked his question, and I really don't have much to say beyond what I said above. It is a judgment call for the SoFA. If I were SoFA, I wouldn't count it because I don't know what she intended. But that's hypotethical and there's no point second guessing the SoFA. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 22, 2008, 07:04:33 PM I'd like an update. Even if the update isn't totally up-to-date, it would be nice to see figures for where the election stands. ;)
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 22, 2008, 07:18:01 PM I'd like an update. Even if the update isn't totally up-to-date, it would be nice to see figures for where the election stands. ;) Unfortunately my spreadsheet is on another computer - so I won't be able to give a proper update until tomorrow morning. Lewis's first post in this thread is updated to PBrunsel. Since then 4 new votes, 2 for Xahar, 1 for Al, 1 for DWTL. The quota is now 8. I'd say DWTL's seat is now probably safe. Colin, CultureKing, Xahar and Al are favourites to take the other 4, though Sensei is still in the running and HappyWarrior has come from nowhere to being a dark horse. Andrew and myself are rank outsiders at this point. If benconstine takes a seat then we will have proof that miracles do happen. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 22, 2008, 09:29:30 PM Bgwah, you are a mayor Daley machine boss type, with arguably some questionable ethics, but you make the trains run on time, in your little fiefdom, more than some other ones, and I would have voted for you anyway. :P The Pacific region is quite the political snake pit. Cheers. Not to mention running for two offices at the same time is kind of lame. But thanks, I guess. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 03:46:14 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 03:48:35 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. I assume Earl's decision would be upheld anyway, given the precedent of Akno21 v. Fritz. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 04:02:04 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. I assume Earl's decision would be upheld anyway, given the precedent of Akno21 v. Fritz. Anyways, *currently* counting her vote as a vote for Al would make no difference to the progress of the count, but all the difference for the final list of electees, putting Al ahead of Culture King. Treat this as the promised "count". Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 04:06:12 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. I assume Earl's decision would be upheld anyway, given the precedent of Akno21 v. Fritz. Anyways, *currently* counting her vote as a vote for Al would make no difference to the progress of the count, but all the difference for the final list of electees, putting Al ahead of Culture King. Treat this as the promised "count". You're right. Her intent would be much more discernible than Mike Assad's was. It might make an interesting case. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 04:17:20 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. I assume Earl's decision would be upheld anyway, given the precedent of Akno21 v. Fritz. Anyways, *currently* counting her vote as a vote for Al would make no difference to the progress of the count, but all the difference for the final list of electees, putting Al ahead of Culture King. Treat this as the promised "count". You're right. Her intent would be much more discernible than Mike Assad's was. It might make an interesting case. EDIT: While it jerks around the order of elimination (Andrew goes before Jas), her vote still travels to Al and all votes still travel just as they do right now. (Atm - a situation is conceivable where that's not the case), so right now both most logical interpretations lead to the same result, while throwing the ballot out leads to another. Interesting complication there... At least noone can accuse the SoFA of a partisan ruling here. After all, he voted for Al. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 04:35:14 AM How is a vote without a first preference counted? It's a judgment call for the SoFA. If he can make a 'reasonable determination' of the intent of the voter, then he should count the vote in that manner. He has ruled the ballot invalid. I will publish, both right after the next regular update, and after the polls close (but not at any additional update points in between) a count that includes her vote, treating her second pref. as first etc. This is just for informational value, and should not be read as disapproval or approval of the SoFA's decision. I assume Earl's decision would be upheld anyway, given the precedent of Akno21 v. Fritz. Anyways, *currently* counting her vote as a vote for Al would make no difference to the progress of the count, but all the difference for the final list of electees, putting Al ahead of Culture King. Treat this as the promised "count". You're right. Her intent would be much more discernible than Mike Assad's was. It might make an interesting case. EDIT: While it jerks around the order of elimination (Andrew goes before Jas), her vote still travels to Al and all votes still travel just as they do right now. (Atm - a situation is conceivable where that's not the case), so right now both most logical interpretations lead to the same result, while throwing the ballot out leads to another. Interesting complication there... At least noone can accuse the SoFA of a partisan ruling here. After all, he voted for Al. Yeah, I saw the Assad quote in Peter's sig. :) When I initially cited the precedent of the case, I was referring to Earl saying it probably would not be legal for him to ask her what her intent was, since Assad's vote was thrown out, even though he testified to his intent. The cases for alternate interpretations of her intent are interesting as well, though. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 05:37:31 AM We have received communications from Pedant's Corner. We believe the amendations to our count offered from there to be correct. The count has been amended accordingly.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 05:40:50 AM We have received communications from Pedant's Corner. We believe the amendations to our count offered from there to be correct. The count has been amended accordingly. You mean they will count her vote? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 05:43:38 AM We have received communications from Pedant's Corner. We believe the amendations to our count offered from there to be correct. The count has been amended accordingly. You mean they will count her vote? Jas pointed out to me that MAS has two third pref.s on his ballot, and that I gave Al a second pref. too few. The DoFA has ruled, and I do not expect them to change their ruling. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 05:45:54 AM We have received communications from Pedant's Corner. We believe the amendations to our count offered from there to be correct. The count has been amended accordingly. You mean they will count her vote? Jas pointed out to me that MAS has two third pref.s, and that I gave Al a second pref. too few. The DoFA has ruled, and I do not expect them to change their ruling. I would sue, except as I mentioned earlier, I strongly doubt anything would change. The precedent of the Mike Assad quote is too powerful. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 23, 2008, 10:49:37 AM I'd say DWTL's seat is now probably safe. I wish I could feel confident about that, I just hope Al gets to join me in the senate ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 01:14:07 PM Just went over the remaining voter list...
AHDuke 99 - Another Dwdl vote I suppose. AltWorlder - who? applemanmat - who? Bob - unlikely to turn up Bono - unlikely to turn up Boris - possible JCP bullet vote, possible non-show Cookies and Milk - doesn't he usually vote for Sensei, gets thrown out for lack of activity? So this time he's active enough? dubya2004 - not seen much of Jake recently. Suppose he'll show up though. Could see him vote for Colin, Al, or even Dwdl. Ernest - will vote. will vote late. Unpredictable who for. gporter - haven't seen him in a while. hughento - NLC or Jas. If he turns up, which is likely but not certain jfern - JCP voter josh4bush - no clue who he'll vote for Lewis Trondheim - Yes, I will vote. Tomorrow. -_- LiberalPA - Hardly been around recently. :( Mark Warner 08 - Hardly ever involved in Atlasia business. Reachable by GOTV efforts MATCHU[D] - ditto Miamiu1027 - possible JCP bullet vote, more likely not to show up Mr. Moderate - Pretty much pledged to Jas. Probably pondering tactical vote options, though, and likely to vote quite late. Old Europe - Usually dependable voter, even if otherwise uninvolved. No idea what's keeping him phknrocket1k - possible JCP bullet vote Polnut - is he still around? Reaganfan - suppose he'll show up. NLC or Happy. Realpolitik - Probably waiting for tactical reasons supersoulty - likely Colin/Andrew vote TCash101 - Waiting for tactical reasons? theking2004 - no clue TJN2024 - Another Dwdl vote? true democrat - likely Colin/Andrew vote YoungRepub - same, if he shows up Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 23, 2008, 01:25:51 PM Cookies and Milk - doesn't he usually vote for Sensei, gets thrown out for lack of activity? So this time he's active enough? No, he's not a Sensei voter. I know him IRL. Since he's been active enough (what with the run for Governor), he'll almost certainly vote for me if he bothers to vote. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 23, 2008, 01:28:12 PM Cookies and Milk - doesn't he usually vote for Sensei, gets thrown out for lack of activity? So this time he's active enough? No, he's not a Sensei voter. I know him IRL. Since he's been active enough (what with the run for Governor), he'll almost certainly vote for me if he bothers to vote. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 23, 2008, 01:30:28 PM Cookies and Milk - doesn't he usually vote for Sensei, gets thrown out for lack of activity? So this time he's active enough? No, he's not a Sensei voter. I know him IRL. Since he's been active enough (what with the run for Governor), he'll almost certainly vote for me if he bothers to vote. He first registered back when you two were allies, anyhow. Suppose my mistake stems from there. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 23, 2008, 02:01:41 PM Cookies and Milk - doesn't he usually vote for Sensei, gets thrown out for lack of activity? So this time he's active enough? No, he's not a Sensei voter. I know him IRL. Since he's been active enough (what with the run for Governor), he'll almost certainly vote for me if he bothers to vote. He first registered back when you two were allies, anyhow. Suppose my mistake stems from there. Yup, he did vote Sensei last time. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 23, 2008, 03:15:17 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 05:36:54 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 23, 2008, 05:43:09 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: ilikeverin on August 23, 2008, 09:51:46 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 10:22:22 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sam Spade on August 23, 2008, 10:39:53 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 23, 2008, 10:48:18 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 10:50:48 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. We're still intensely grateful. A vote is a vote after all. :) I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Yeah, I just felt like being facetious. That aside, would you rather have had me run under the RPP banner? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 23, 2008, 10:55:36 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. We're still intensely grateful. A vote is a vote after all. :) I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Yeah, I just felt like being facetious. That aside, would you rather have had me run under the RPP banner? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 11:05:40 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. We're still intensely grateful. A vote is a vote after all. :) I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Yeah, I just felt like being facetious. That aside, would you rather have had me run under the RPP banner? Flee to Canada. If that's not an option, don't vote/write-in George Washington/turn in unmarked ballot. ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 23, 2008, 11:13:19 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. We're still intensely grateful. A vote is a vote after all. :) I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Yeah, I just felt like being facetious. That aside, would you rather have had me run under the RPP banner? Flee to Canada. If that's not an option, don't vote/write-in George Washington/turn in unmarked ballot. ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 23, 2008, 11:33:02 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P My ticket is primarily an anti-NLC ticket, with picking DWTL as #1 just to annoy people. We're still intensely grateful. A vote is a vote after all. :) I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. There's also the 2nd preference from Ben. You shouldn't have too much trouble getting elected. Because Paul, SPC, Inks, & Sam are such neophytes. :P Yeah, I just felt like being facetious. That aside, would you rather have had me run under the RPP banner? Flee to Canada. If that's not an option, don't vote/write-in George Washington/turn in unmarked ballot. ;) I'll keep that in mind when I run for office in the future. ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on August 24, 2008, 02:06:00 AM I must admit, I am surprised that DWTL is poised to be Senator-elect in this election cycle. Here I was thinking that he was going to run a failed campaign once more, similar to Xahar, but in this election cycle, the former Senator and Northeast Lieutenant Governor has shocked many Atlasian political pundits, inclusive of myself. Reminds me of my "campaign" for the Senate back in April.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 05:14:38 AM This seems to be the tactically correct ordering my top 3 preferences, and the tactically correct ordering of the next three (although 5th and 6th is exceedingly likely to be irrelevant tactically).
Of course, I may very easily be proven wrong yet. We *might* yet salvage the Jas campaign. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 06:15:52 AM How long 'till polls close now [question mark]
Must remember to vote later. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 06:22:32 AM How long 'till polls close now [question mark] Must remember to vote later. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 06:23:22 AM How long 'till polls close now [question mark] Must remember to vote later. Ah, good. Was getting worried that it might be very late or something. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 08:20:32 AM Just a few comments...
First of all, turnout has been exceptional! It's been rare in recent times for Senate elections to get 60+ votes cast - so that's great to see. I have little doubt that that is at least partially down to STV ensuring that we have another down to the wire election where every vote matters. We have a 10 candidate election running and even at this late stage 9 of them are still in with a shout. Before any votes were cast, claims were made that the STV system would cement the dominance of the NLC and of Northeasterners within the legistaure. These claims have been blown away with this election. Though 2 NLC seats looks very likely, the RRP, the SDP and the JCP are all likely to be in the next Senate. And when it comes down to it, it's likely only 1 Northeasterner will be elected today - indeed, 4 regions look set to have their citizens chosen. Finally, on a personal note, many many thanks to the Jas voters out there. This past day has seen a surprising turnaround for my fortunes and I'm very grateful for your support. The post-election Jas HQ party was looking like it was going to be a lonely drab affair yesterday morning! My 'campaign' has not been a vigorous one, indeed, when I put my name down for the ballot I did so just for a bit of electoral fun and to pad out the ballot with another choice for voters. It looks likely at this stage that I shall fall just short this time, but I am heartened by the support nonetheless and will, of course, be delighted to return to the Senate to debate and argue and legislate as best I can for you all - should the votes shake out that way. In the meantime, I'm enjoying the election and the counting and I hope you all are too. Now, back to your regular programming... Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 08:39:08 AM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 09:41:55 AM I actually think at this point I have a 50/50 chance of having the most 1st preferences and most last preferences. :)
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 10:43:02 AM Really shows just how proportional this system is when someone is controversial as I am is leading the voting while a well-respected, liked by everyone Atlasia like Jas or AndrewCT may fall short
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: The Mikado on August 24, 2008, 10:45:01 AM If my counts are right, and Lewis' results are accurate, the next Senate will be:
NLC 4 (-1) SDP 3 (+2) RPP 2 (+1) Independent 1 (UNCH) JCP 0 (-1) This will be a very different Senate. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 10:53:15 AM If my counts are right, and Lewis' results are accurate, the next Senate will be: NLC 4 (-1) SDP 3 (+2) RPP 2 (+1) Independent 1 (UNCH) JCP 0 (-1) This will be a very different Senate. DWTL, Sensei, Colin, Al, Xahar, Torie, Meeker, BaconKing, Verily, Lewis Trondheim This is going to be fun, I wouldn't want to go to the senate without my favorite stalker :) More importantly there are some solid regional rights supporters in there, probably enough to block any attempts to eliminate regional senate seats Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 12:16:08 PM I regret not preferencing Sensei higher, I forgot about his vehement support of regional senate seats. Any RPP members yet to vote (idk if there are any) vote him high
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 01:13:02 PM Well, it looks like the JCP will finally be out for good.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 02:09:02 PM What, no new votes during the past hours?
Well. Still about three hours to go. The election is desperately close, people. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 02:27:46 PM I regret not preferencing Sensei higher, I forgot about his vehement support of regional senate seats. Any RPP members yet to vote (idk if there are any) vote him high Wish I had known about that. I would have preferenced him much higher. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 02:28:35 PM I regret not preferencing Sensei higher, I forgot about his vehement support of regional senate seats. Any RPP members yet to vote (idk if there are any) vote him high Wish I had known about that. I would have preferenced him much higher. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 03:33:11 PM Updated count to King...
Total Valid Votes: 61 Quota: 11 Count 1
Notes *Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are included due to writing-in themselves in. All other write-ins are being ignored, lest the persons affected declare they are running. *On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) *No candidate reaches the quota so EMD and benconstine are eliminated and the vote redistributed. Count 2 (Distribution of benconstine's vote)
Notes benconstine's vote for himself was transfered to his #2 preference: DWTL. SWTL reaches the quota and is deemed elected. With no surplus available to redistribute, HappyWarrior is eliminated. Count 3 (Distribution of HappyWarrior's vote)
Notes HW's votes transfered as follows: HappyWarrior, Sensei and Meeker's votes went to Sensei. Andy Jackson's vote went to Xahar. Keystone Phil only preferenced HW, so his vote is non-transferable. AndrewCT is eliminated. Count 4 (Distribution of AndrewCT's vote)
Notes Andrew's votes transfered as follows: Conor Flynn's vote went to Sensei hughento's vote went to Al Andrew's and fezzy's vote went to Colin PolNut's vote went to Jas Jas is eliminated. Count 5 (Distribution of Jas's vote)
Notes Jas's votes transferred as follows: PolNut's vote went to Sensei - getting him to the quota Gustaf's, afleitch's and TCash's votes went to Colin - getting him to the quota Jas's and ilikeverin's votes went to Al Lewis's vote went to Xahar Sensei and Colin are deemed elected by reaching the quota, but have no surpluses to distribute. With only 3 candidates for 2 seats, and no votes available to distribute further, the bottom candidate (CultureKing) is eliminated and Al and Xahar are deemed elected without reaching the quota. Result #1 DWTL #2 Sensei #3 Colin #4 Al #5 Xahar Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 03:36:36 PM I see now that Lewis beat me to this update (by quite a distance) *waves fist* - thus reducing my chances of winning the Speed Election Counting event in London 2012!
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 03:37:30 PM Not hard to add a single vote that changes virtually nothing.
Is my count correct so far? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 03:40:20 PM Not hard to add a single vote that changes virtually nothing. Is my count correct so far? We are in quite absolute agreement :) I haven't checked through the full 61 to see if everyone is truly eligible but I imagine someone would have raised something about such by now if that was the case. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 03:42:43 PM Not hard to add a single vote that changes virtually nothing. Is my count correct so far? We are in quite absolute agreement :) I haven't checked through the full 61 to see if everyone is truly eligible but I imagine someone would have raised something about such by now if that was the case. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 04:04:04 PM I guess that it's almost time to go out and vote...
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:09:46 PM A vote for Jas would have quite dramatic effect atm.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 04:11:06 PM A vote for Jas would have quite dramatic effect atm. What sort of effect [question mark] Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:13:24 PM A vote for Jas would have quite dramatic effect atm. What sort of effect [question mark] Of course, there's a reason why I said "atm". Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 24, 2008, 04:20:15 PM Looks like not being on the ballot doomed CK! oh well
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:23:42 PM Looks like not being on the ballot doomed CK! oh well Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 04:25:41 PM It's quite interesting that the SDP is able to elect 2 Senators, but only barely.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: MaxQue on August 24, 2008, 04:27:54 PM It's quite interesting that the SDP is able to elect 2 Senators, but only barely. Wait, Al hasn't voted yet. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:29:50 PM It's quite interesting that the SDP is able to elect 2 Senators, but only barely. Wait, Al hasn't voted yet. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:40:26 PM Just went over the remaining voter list... AltWorlder - who? applemanmat - who? Bob - unlikely to turn up Bono - unlikely to turn up dubya2004 - not seen much of Jake recently. Suppose he'll show up though. Could see him vote for Colin, Al, or even Dwdl. Ernest - will vote. will vote late. Unpredictable who for. gporter - haven't seen him in a while. LiberalPA - Hardly been around recently. :( Mark Warner 08 - Hardly ever involved in Atlasia business. Reachable by GOTV efforts MATCHU[D] - ditto Miamiu1027 - possible JCP bullet vote, more likely not to show up Mr. Moderate - Pretty much pledged to Jas. Probably pondering tactical vote options, though, and likely to vote quite late. phknrocket1k - possible JCP bullet vote Reaganfan - suppose he'll show up. NLC or Happy. Realpolitik - Probably waiting for tactical reasons supersoulty - likely Colin/Andrew vote TJN2024 - Another Dwdl vote? true democrat - likely Colin/Andrew vote YoungRepub - same, if he shows up Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 04:42:09 PM I wonder if Al's vote will end up killing me.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 04:49:34 PM pknrocket is on line. I don't see any of the others on line. Oh Mr. Moderate just showed up online.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 04:49:58 PM Jake was here three hours ago, but didn't vote.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 04:53:29 PM Lewis called Rocket's vote right
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 04:53:35 PM PKN, voted for CK.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 04:54:25 PM Lewis called Rocket's vote right It was my most eloquent endorsement no doubt. :) Pity my second choice for Jas appears not to count. Xahar you should have worked harder! Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: MaxQue on August 24, 2008, 04:54:43 PM Lewis called Rocket's vote right Al, go vote, please. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 24, 2008, 04:56:26 PM I wonder if Al's vote will end up killing me. Why would it? Aren't you in the same party? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 04:56:35 PM Mr Moderate, you too!
Soulty's online too, so in case you're reading this, you too. No sign of Ernest anywhere. ??? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 04:59:27 PM Oh ѕhit.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 24, 2008, 05:00:12 PM ^ Ehh, I think you probably won. Maybe.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on August 24, 2008, 05:00:37 PM And that's it.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:02:43 PM Mr Moderate, you too! Soulty's online too, so in case you're reading this, you too. No sign of Ernest anywhere. ??? You seem to have been worried that I wouldn't show up in the last minute (or second to last minute, as the case may be)! Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 24, 2008, 05:03:03 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 05:05:20 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:06:18 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:07:55 PM Wow, I must say I am 100% in favor of this system after experiencing it firsthand. We didn't know who the winners were until the last second, and I'm still not certain if I have won a seat or not. Congrats to everyone, although I must agree this is a big blow to the NLC, JCP, and those whose the power of the regions
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 05:08:41 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Nice to see though that Mr. Moderate was glad to throw his PPT under the bus. ;) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:09:40 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. my heaaaad is exploooooooding Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:10:09 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Nice to see though that Mr. Moderate was glad to throw his PPT under the bus. ;) Well, I don't suppose you remember the Jas/Moderate ticket. Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. my heaaaad is exploooooooding As it well should be. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 05:10:29 PM I think Lewis made an error in his tally - I'm double checking but *I think* it works out as:
#1 DWTL #2 Jas #3 Al #4 Sensei #5 CultureKing Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:10:37 PM They like me! They really like me!
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:11:47 PM That really wouldn't at all surprise me. Damn it, it was Al's vote.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 05:12:01 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Nice to see though that Mr. Moderate was glad to throw his PPT under the bus. ;) Well, I don't suppose you remember the Jas/Moderate ticket. That makes a lot of sense in that case. Though I wonder who the new PPT will be now. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:13:30 PM That makes a lot of sense in that case. Though I wonder who the new PPT will be now. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:13:42 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Nice to see though that Mr. Moderate was glad to throw his PPT under the bus. ;) Well, I don't suppose you remember the Jas/Moderate ticket. That makes a lot of sense in that case. Though I wonder who the new PPT will be now. Jas, I suppose. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:14:02 PM Near-certain that means Dwdl, Sensei, Al, Xahar and Jas. If so, this is a huge comeback for Jas, a big victory for the RPP & SDP, & a big defeat for the JCP & NLC. Yup. I'll definitely welcome Jas's return to the Senate. Nice to see though that Mr. Moderate was glad to throw his PPT under the bus. ;) Well, I don't suppose you remember the Jas/Moderate ticket. That makes a lot of sense in that case. Though I wonder who the new PPT will be now. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 05:17:37 PM If Jas is elected, and I am not sure that he has been, he has the most experience to be PPT, if he commits to spend the time doing it. Being an effective PPT is all about being around often, and knowing the rules. Lewis would be great too, if he is willing to spend the time. Lewis seems to know all the back alleys, and then some.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:19:21 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:20:36 PM also, how in the hell did I get elected? Were there butterfly ballots or something?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 05:22:08 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I assume that his spreadsheet suggested it all. Al might not want to dump the Class A seats, and CK does not either. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 05:22:53 PM also, how in the hell did I get elected? Were there butterfly ballots or something? Nobody hates you. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:23:50 PM also, how in the hell did I get elected? Were there butterfly ballots or something? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:24:24 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I assume that his spreadsheet suggested it all. Al might not want to dump the Class A seats, and CK does not either. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:24:31 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I think it's fair to say that Lewis likes me more than Al does. As for Moderate, he's been beholden to the JCP for some time now. also, how in the hell did I get elected? Were there butterfly ballots or something? Nobody hates you. :) Except me. ;D Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 05:26:12 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I assume that his spreadsheet suggested it all. Al might not want to dump the Class A seats, and CK does not either. I'll turn him around. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:27:24 PM I must say if that result is held, that is nowhere near what I was expecting. I still am in disbelief that Colin lost
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:28:33 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I had pledged to vote for Jas as my first preference, and so I was bound by honor or whatnot to cast that vote. My second preference may or may not have come into play based on how other last-minute voters went, so it was up to me to figure out which of the "on the bubble" candidates I'd rather see elected: Xahar or Culture King. Of the bubble candidates, Culture King was the only person who actually asked for my vote. Besides, I owed him for his last minute Friz to Torie switch. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Јas on August 24, 2008, 05:29:45 PM Jas's Provisional Tally
Total Valid Votes: 66 Quota: 12 Count 1
Notes Evilmexicandictator and CultureKing are included due to writing-in themselves in. All other write-ins are being ignored, lest the persons affected declare they are running. On the first count, candidates are ordered by the number of #1 preferences they receive. Where this is tied, they are ordered by the #2 preferences, and so on. (From Count 2 onwards, where candidates are tied on vote totals, they are ordered by their rank on the previous count.) No candidate reaches the quota so EMD and benconstine are eliminated and the vote redistributed. Count 2 (Distribution of benconstine's vote)
Notes benconstine's own vote transfers to his #2 preference, DWTL. No candidate is elected, so the next elimination is HappyWarrior. Count 3 (Distribution of HappyWarrior's vote)
Notes NB: This is where I believe Lewis's count is in error (specifically, the vote of Meeker). HW's votes transfer as follows: Meeker's vote goes to his #2 preference, DWTL - bringing him to the quota and so election. Andy Jackson's vote goes to Xahar HappyWarrior's and MasterJedi's votes both go to Sensei Keystone Phil only cast a preference for HW, so his vote is non-transferable DWTL is elected, but has no surplus, so we proceed to the next elimination. Count 4 (Distribution of AndrewCT's vote)
Notes Andrew's votes tarnsfered as follows: hughento's vote transferred to Al Conor Flynn's vote transfered to Sensei Polnut's vote transferred to Jas AndrewCT's and fezzy's votes transferred to Colin Nobody else elected, we proceed to the next elimination. Count 5 (Distribution of Colin's vote)
Notes Colin's votes transfer as follows: bullmoose's, Verily's, Colin's and Frodo's votes transfer to Jas - reaching him the quota and election. Dibble's vote transferred to Al AndrewCT's and fezzy's vote transfer to Sensei MAS's vote is untransferable. With no surpluses to distribute and only 4 candidates for 3 remaining seats, the bottom ranked candidate (Xahar) is eliminated and the remainder deemed elected according to their rank. Result #1 DWTL #2 Jas #3 Al #4 Sensei #5 CultureKing Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:29:52 PM Of the bubble candidates, Culture King was the only person who actually asked for my vote. Besides, I owed him for his last minute Friz to Torie switch. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:31:08 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I had pledged to vote for Jas as my first preference, and so I was bound by honor or whatnot to cast that vote. My second preference may or may not have come into play based on how other last-minute voters went, so it was up to me to figure out which of the "on the bubble" candidates I'd rather see elected: Xahar or Culture King. Of the bubble candidates, Culture King was the only person who actually asked for my vote. Besides, I owed him for his last minute Friz to Torie switch. :) Whoa, whoa, hey! He got Friz elected in the first place, eh? I don't need to advertise my credentials on that front, methinks. Of the bubble candidates, Culture King was the only person who actually asked for my vote. Besides, I owed him for his last minute Friz to Torie switch. :) Come on. I could've been better. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:32:33 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I think it's fair to say that Lewis likes me more than Al does. As for Moderate, he's been beholden to the JCP for some time now. Yes, clearly, my squeaker of a general election victory and teetering 80%+ approval ratings make me completely and totally beholden to Massa Bgwah. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:33:00 PM Q: Probably just my own stupidity on this system, but why if CultureKing and Xahar tied is CK elected?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:33:34 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I think it's fair to say that Lewis likes me more than Al does. As for Moderate, he's been beholden to the JCP for some time now. Yes, clearly, my squeaker of a general election victory and teetering 80%+ approval ratings make me completely and totally beholden to Massa Bgwah. I didn't say it made sense, now did I? Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:34:09 PM Q: Probably just my own stupidity on this system, but why if CultureKing and Xahar tied is CK elected? CK got to 9 votes before Xahar did. That's the tie breaker. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Torie on August 24, 2008, 05:36:01 PM Sorry if you lost Xahar. You would have been a great senator. I owed you, but that is not the main reason I voted for you, frankly. :(
But I am also proud to serve my region with CK. He is not a bot to any faction, I don't think. I like and prefer free and independent spirits. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:36:54 PM Q: Probably just my own stupidity on this system, but why if CultureKing and Xahar tied is CK elected? CK got to 9 votes before Xahar did. That's the tie breaker. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:37:32 PM I am perplexed as to why Al threw Xahar under the bus, and even more perplexed that Moderate preferenced CultureKing second I think it's fair to say that Lewis likes me more than Al does. As for Moderate, he's been beholden to the JCP for some time now. also, how in the hell did I get elected? Were there butterfly ballots or something? Nobody hates you. :) Except me. ;D Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 05:37:40 PM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners):
NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:41:09 PM Also conservatives showed they still matter! (at least for one seat :) )
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:42:29 PM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:43:46 PM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:44:28 PM It looks like the NLC is getting squeezed.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:45:03 PM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. And, based on last election's ideological breakdown: (Old: EarlAW, ColinW, Afleitch, Culture King, and Rocky) Conservatives: 1 (+1) Moderates: 3 (–1) Liberals: 1 (nc) By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Despite his indy registration, I've always considered Jas an honorary NLCer since he won the NLC endorsement for President in the Feb 08 Presidential election. Culture King may be a JCPer, but he was moderate enough to be one of the only people to uphold my DP veto. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:46:05 PM Conservatives: 1 (+1) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on August 24, 2008, 05:47:46 PM It looks like the NLC is getting squeezed. Well, there was a massive influx of new voters since the June 08 election, and most of them were RPPers. When conservatives fail to band behind a candidate, their votes almost always default to the NLC. DWTL successfully consolidated their votes this time. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:49:19 PM It looks like the NLC is getting squeezed. Well, there was a massive influx of new voters since the June 08 election, and most of them were RPPers. When conservatives fail to band behind a candidate, their votes almost always default to the NLC. DWTL successfully consolidated their votes this time. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Sensei on August 24, 2008, 05:51:11 PM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. And, based on last election's ideological breakdown: (Old: EarlAW, ColinW, Afleitch, Culture King, and Rocky) Conservatives: 1 (+1) Moderates: 3 (–1) Liberals: 1 (nc) By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Despite his indy registration, I've always considered Jas an honorary NLCer since he won the NLC endorsement for President in the Feb 08 Presidential election. Culture King may be a JCPer, but he was moderate enough to be one of the only people to uphold my DP veto. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:51:21 PM I think that one candidate was probably your ceiling, but you wouldn't have had a problem running two, considering your discipline in giving me preferences.
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 24, 2008, 05:55:12 PM I think that one candidate was probably your ceiling, but you wouldn't have had a problem running two, considering your discipline in giving me preferences. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 05:56:44 PM I think that one candidate was probably your ceiling, but you wouldn't have had a problem running two, considering your discipline in giving me preferences. Yeah, it probably would've been useless. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: ilikeverin on August 24, 2008, 05:58:31 PM Congrats to 4 of the winners!
My Ballot - Senate (according to Jas) #1 Jas - DWTL #2 Al - Jas #3 DWTL - Al #4 Sensei - Sensei #5 Xahar - CultureKing I feel like I should be getting a prize for this :D I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Yes; that was rather like a socialist party overreacting to the creation of a communist party because it does not wish to be lumped in with it :P Our views on federalism are almost entirely the same, except that you supported succession. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 06:03:55 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Yes; that was rather like a socialist party overreacting to the creation of a communist party because it does not wish to be lumped in with it :P Our views on federalism are almost entirely the same, except that you supported succession. That's alright. You're welcome to affiliate with the RPP so we can pool our resources to achieve our common goal. :D Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: ilikeverin on August 24, 2008, 06:05:12 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Yes; that was rather like a socialist party overreacting to the creation of a communist party because it does not wish to be lumped in with it :P Our views on federalism are almost entirely the same, except that you supported succession. That's alright. You're welcome to affiliate with the RPP so we can pool our resources to achieve our common goal. :D No, as there seems to be constant agitation within the party to add conservative elements to the platform, which I naturally oppose ;) I'll probably end up disbanding my own party and forming an interest group, though, which I hope to use to work closely with you in the future. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 06:09:48 PM Why has the Antifederalist Coalition becaome a hotbed of federalism?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Associate Justice PiT on August 24, 2008, 06:11:45 PM I picked up a surprise 1st preference for Spade and a surprisingly high 3rd from MAS and ILV. I don't see many more votes for me (Duke is really the only sure thing), but I think I can squeak this out anyway. "Surprisingly"? Did you read the post creating my current political party at all? :P Yes; that was rather like a socialist party overreacting to the creation of a communist party because it does not wish to be lumped in with it :P Our views on federalism are almost entirely the same, except that you supported succession. That's alright. You're welcome to affiliate with the RPP so we can pool our resources to achieve our common goal. :D No, as there seems to be constant agitation within the party to add conservative elements to the platform, which I naturally oppose ;) I'll probably end up disbanding my own party and forming an interest group, though, which I hope to use to work closely with you in the future. If you help us hold down the Midwest for regionalist causes, then we will be eternally grateful. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: ilikeverin on August 24, 2008, 06:12:36 PM Why has the Antifederalist Coalition becaome a hotbed of federalism? Because right now the only member is a part of the "Abolish the national government" faction and thus rabidly opposes any attempts to impinge upon the holy sanctity of the regions!!!!!111~!`11~!~11!!!~1~1~!11!1 Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: bgwah on August 24, 2008, 07:09:12 PM Is Cookies & Milk your friend, Xahar?
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 24, 2008, 11:09:59 PM Is Cookies & Milk your friend, Xahar? This question is a bit odd, but the answer is yes. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: CultureKing on August 25, 2008, 01:03:39 AM By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. And, based on last election's ideological breakdown: (Old: EarlAW, ColinW, Afleitch, Culture King, and Rocky) Conservatives: 1 (+1) Moderates: 3 (–1) Liberals: 1 (nc) By my count, here's the new partisan breakdown (going off of Jas's list of winners): NLC 3 (-2) RPP 2 (+1) SDP 2 (+1) Indies 2 (+1) JCP 1 (0) Huge loss for the NLC in this election. Despite his indy registration, I've always considered Jas an honorary NLCer since he won the NLC endorsement for President in the Feb 08 Presidential election. Culture King may be a JCPer, but he was moderate enough to be one of the only people to uphold my DP veto. Agreed. With the exception of two or three issues I feel like I am pretty liberal as a whole. I am just not afraid to admit that I don't completely fit into a certain mold. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: HappyWarrior on August 25, 2008, 06:58:20 AM I am of course very disappointed that I failed to make a senate seat but I nonetheless wish to congratulate all the new and/or reelected senators this cycle. I'll be back again before too long don't worry ;-D. I am however quite proud of the coalition of voters I had going for me(True it was only five but still....) we were a broad coalition with various ideological backgrounds and I hope that signifies things to come in the future for me.
I just hope that this loss has'nt damaged my ability to win elections here in Atlasia and that I still have the respect of the other Atlasians within the nation. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: DownWithTheLeft on August 25, 2008, 07:59:01 AM I just hope that this loss has'nt damaged my ability to win elections here in Atlasia and that I still have the respect of the other Atlasians within the nation. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 25, 2008, 11:36:26 AM Jas's Provisional Tally NB: This is where I believe Lewis's count is in error (specifically, the vote of Meeker). Quote With no surpluses to distribute and only 4 candidates for 3 remaining seats, the bottom ranked candidate (Xahar) is eliminated and the remainder deemed elected according to their rank. And of course, my bigger error - not guessing that with these eliminations, Xahar doesn't pick up a single vote or even vote fraction (I thought there might be some small surplus to redistribute as a result, possibly for Sensei.) Meh. I was tired, it was midnight and I had to get up early (Work. I haz it.) I didn't do a proper count. I should have - should have done so as I was waiting for midnight, actually, but there might have been a late Colin vote too and then that would have been for nowt. Wow. Culture King has now slipped into (in this case, back into) the electee list on the last vote for the second time running. And this time, we even had two switches on the last vote. As to Colin, sorry man, but getting Jas in was worth it ;D - and I knew for twelve hours before polls closed that for Jas to get in would mean losing either Al or you. Wasn't any other way. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 25, 2008, 11:39:13 AM Conservatives: 1 (+1) Moderates: 3 (–1) Liberals: 1 (nc) How about Right: 1 (+1) Center Right: 0 (-3) Center Left: 3 (+2) Left: 1 (0) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 25, 2008, 12:46:12 PM The promised "DC Cutie counts" count! Also with extra complication of "MAS counts too"!
In the case of DC Cutie, if she meant to vote for Al than that changes nothing, except he's officially to the goalpost second rather than third. If she meant to vote for Jas, that produces a surplus. In the case of MAS, because one of his two third pref.s is eliminated by the time the vote proceeds there, it could be argued that there is no ambiguity (although it's slightly specious as there still is ambiguity over general voter intent - just not over intent in the case of the specific situation arising. Of course, all this assumes that the lower preferences were not spoiled on purpose, as some people did two months ago. But that seems unlikely in his case. Same goes for DC Cutie, of course.) which would mean that his vote transfers to Jas, producing a surplus. A Jas surplus splits as follows... Scenario 1 - DC Cutie counted as vote for Jas, MAS not counted beyond second pref.(Admittedly not exactly what I'd call a rational ruling, lol. Unless there were outside evidence that this was voter intent, of course. But there is none.) Al + 6/13 (Jas, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Colin, Cutie) Sensei +4/13 (Polnut, bull, Verily, Frodo) CK + 2/13 (Cash, Mr Mod) Xahar + 1/13 (Lewis) Scenario 2 - DC Cutie counted as vote for Jas, MAS lower preferences counted (this means a Jas surplus of two, not one) Al + 1 (Jas, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Colin, Cutie, MAS) Sensei + 4/7 (as above) CK + 2/7 (as above) Xahar + 1/7 (as above) Either of these scenarios still leads to the election of Culture King. Scenario 3 - DC Cutie counted as vote for Al, MAS lower preferences not counted (see above on the rationality of this) As noted in sentence one, this changes nothing. Scenario 4 - DC Cutie counted a vote for Al, MAS lower preferences counted. Because Al now has a quota of his own, he cannot receive anything from the Jas surplus. As a result, Sensei + 9/13 (Jas, Afleitch, Verin, Polnut, bull, Verily, Colin, Frodo, MAS) CK +2/13 (as above) Xahar +2/13 (Lewis, Gustaf) ...and Culture King still wins. Scenario 5 - DC Cutie not counted, MAS lower preferences not counted. This is what we currently have. Scenario 6 - DC Cutie not counted, MAS lower preferences counted Same as Scenario 1, except you need to replace "Cutie" with "MAS" in the list of surpluses Al picks up. So in other words... and contrary to my expectations when I started these calculations... the invalid votes could not have saved Xahar. Now... if someone could contrive of another reading of the votes that creates an Al or Dwdl surplus... :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 25, 2008, 02:42:51 PM Counts for fewer seats!
Note that nothing can possibly change in the first three counts. 4 seater. Quota 14. Count 4 (Distribution of AndrewCT's vote) Dwdl 12 (0) Al 10 (+1) CultureKing 9 Xahar 9 Sensei 9 (+1) Jas 8 (+1) Colin 8 (+2) AndrewCT 0 (-5) Non transferable 1 (0) Still unchanged - will remain unchanged with even fewer seats, too. Count 5 (Distribution of Colin's vote) Dwdl 13 (+1) Jas 12 (+4) Al 11 (+1) Sensei 10 (+1) CultureKing 9 Xahar 9 Colin 0 (-8) Non-Transferable 2 (+1) Notes Fezzy's vote transfers to Dwdl instead of Sensei. Also goes for even fewer seats. Count 6 (this is new) - Xahar eliminated Al 16 (+5) Jas 14 (+2) Dwdl 13 Sensei 12 (+2) CultureKing 9 Xahar 0 (-9) Non-Transferable 2 Xahar's, Opebo's, Evilmex', MaxQue's and Cookies' votes transfer to Al. Torie's and Hash's votes transfer to Jas. Andy Jackson's and sbane's votes transfer to Sensei. This count, too, remains unchanged with even fewer seats. Al and Jas elected. Al surplus cannot materially affect the count (close the gap between CultureKing and Sensei), therefore CK eliminated, Dwdl and Sensei elected without a quota. 3 seater. Quota 17. Count 6 as above, but nobody elected yet. Count 7 - Culture King eliminated. Al 22 (+6) Jas 14 Sensei 14 (+2) Dwdl 13 CultureKing 0 (-9) Non-Transferable 3 (+1) Ebowed's, Jesus', Everett's, BRTD's, Boris' and jfern's votes transfer to Al. CK's and Alcon's votes transfer to Sensei. rocket's vote is non-transferable. This much is the same with two or one seat. Al elected, surplus redistributed. Count 8 Al 17 (-5) value of all votes reduced to .773 (17/22) Sensei 16.5 (+2.5) (11*5/22) Jas 16.273 (+2.273) (10*5/22) Dwdl 13.227 (+.227) Non-Transferable 3 Sensei picks up parts of Earl's, Josh's, Hugh's, Dibble's, Evilmex', MaxQue's, Cookies', Jesus', BRTD's, Boris' and jfern's votes. Jas picks up parts of Al's, Lief's, Franzl's, Pete's, Preston's, Hawk's, King's, Opebo's, Ebowed's and Everett's votes. Dwdl picks up part of Xahar's vote. Dwdl eliminated, and Sensei and Jas elected without a quota. 2-seater. Quota 23 To recap: Count 7 Al 22 (+6) Jas 14 Sensei 14 (+2) Dwdl 13 CultureKing 0 (-9) Non-Transferable 3 (+1) Dwdl eliminated. Count 8 Al 25 (+3) Jas 19 (+5) Sensei 18 (+4) Dwdl 0 (-13) Non-Transferable 4 (+1) Jas picks up Inks', Smid's, Winfield's, Brandon's and Duke's vote. Sensei picks up Dwdl's, benconstine's, Meeker's and Fezzy's vote. Al picks up PiT's, PBrunsel's and Sam Spade's vote. SPC's vote is non-transferable. This much the same in a single seater. Al elected, surplus redistributed. Count 9 Al 23 (-2) votes reduced to .92 value Jas 20.12 (+1.12) or 14*2/25 Sensei 18.88 (+.88) or 11*2/25 Non-Transferable 4 Jas picks up parts of Al's, Lief's, Franzl's, Pete's, Preston's, Hawk's, King's, Opebo's, Ebowed's , Everett's, Xahar's, PiT's, PBrunsel's and Sam Spade's votes. Sensei picks up parts of Earl's, Josh's, Hugh's, Dibble's, Evilmex', MaxQue's, Cookies', Jesus', BRTD's, Boris' and jfern's votes. Sensei eliminated, and Jas elected without a quota. Single seater - Battaille Royale of the Celtic Champions! Quota: 34 To recap: Count 8 Al 25 (+3) Jas 19 (+5) Sensei 18 (+4) Dwdl 0 (-13) Non-Transferable 4 (+1) Sensei eliminated. Count 9 Al 32 (+7) Jas 29 (+10) Sensei 0 (-18) Non-Transferable 5 (+1) Jas picks up Sensei's, Bacon King's, Mikado's, Old Europe's, Jedi's, Rocky's, Andrew's, Dwdl's, benconstine's and Fezzy's votes. Al picks up GM3's, Smash's, Happy's, sbane's, Culture King's, Alcon's and Meeker's votes. Andy Jackson's vote is non-transferable. And it's over, kids. Gwynnedd - 1. Ulaidh - 0. Jas is eliminated, and Al is elected without a quota. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 25, 2008, 09:12:31 PM And it's over, kids. Gwynnedd - 1. Ulaidh - 0. ;D Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2008, 04:32:13 AM Coming up shortly: Counts for six, seven, eight, and nine members.
Individual countback for each candidate (ie, who would fill which vacancy if we used countback). Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2008, 06:12:56 AM Six seats, Quota 10
Round 1 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) (2 second pref.s) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) (16 second pref.s) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) (1 second pref.) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) (12 second pref.s) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) (11 second pref.s) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) (8 second pref.s) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) (6 second pref.s) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) (4 second pref.s) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) (1 second pref.) benconstine 1 (self) (1 second pref.) Dwdl elected, benconstine eliminated. Round 2 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) Andrew 6 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) Happy eliminated. Round 3 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson) Sensei 9 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Meeker, Jedi) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) Andrew 6 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine) exhausted 1 (Phil) Andrew eliminated. Round 4 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) Sensei 11 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Meeker, Jedi, Rocky, benconstine) Al 10 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh, Hugh) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson) Jas 8 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod, Polnut) Colin 8 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS, Andrew, fez) Sensei, Al elected. Sensei surplus redistributed. Round 5 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke 1) Sensei 10 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Meeker, Jedi, Rocky, benconstine .909) Al 10 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh, Hugh 1) Xahar 9.182 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson 1, Smash, Happy .091) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Jas 8.455 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod, Polnut 1, Sensei, Mikado, Old Europe, Meeker, Rocky .091) Colin 8.364 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS, Andrew, fez 1, Bacon, GM3, Jedi, benconstine .091) Colin eliminated, and Xahar, Culture King and Jas elected without a quota. Seven seats, quota 9 Round 1 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) (2 second pref.s) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) (16 second pref.s) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) (1 second pref.) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) (12 second pref.s) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) (11 second pref.s) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) (8 second pref.s) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) (6 second pref.s) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) (4 second pref.s) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) (1 second pref.) benconstine 1 (self) (1 second pref.) Dwdl, Al, Culture King elected. Dwdl surplus redistributed (can affect the count, as it could theoretically elect Xahar.) Round 2 Dwdl 9 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .9) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 8.6 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .1) Jas 7.2 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Sam Spade .1) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1) benconstine 1.1 (self 1, Inks .1) exhausted .1 (SPC .1) benconstine eliminated. Round 3 Dwdl 9 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .9) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 8.6 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .1) Jas 7.2 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Sam Spade .1) Colin 6.1 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Inks .1) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1) Andrew 6 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine 1) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1) Happy eliminated Round 4 Dwdl 9 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .9) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 9.6 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .1) Sensei 9 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Meeker, Jedi 1) Jas 7.2 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Sam Spade .1) Colin 6.1 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Inks .1) Andrew 6 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine 1) exhausted 1.1 (Phil 1, SPC .1) Xahar, Sensei elected. Xahar surplus redistributed. Round 5 Dwdl 9 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .9) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson .938, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .094) Sensei 9 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Meeker, Jedi 1) Jas 7.456 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Sam Spade .1, Xahar, Torie, Hash, Cookie .063, Smid .006) Colin 6.313 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Inks .1, Opebo, sbane, MaxQue .063, Dwdl, PiT, brandon, Duke .006) Andrew 6.069 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine 1, Evilmex .063, PBrunsel .006) exhausted 1.163 (Phil 1, SPC .1, Andy Jackson .063) Andrew eliminated, and Jas and Colin elected. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2008, 06:13:39 AM Eight seats, quota 8
Round 1 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) (2 second pref.s) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) (16 second pref.s) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) (1 second pref.) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) (12 second pref.s) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) (11 second pref.s) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) (8 second pref.s) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) (6 second pref.s) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) (4 second pref.s) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) (1 second pref.) benconstine 1 (self) (1 second pref.) Dwdl, Al, Culture King, Xahar elected. Surpluses distributed in order of magnitude. Round 2 Dwdl 8 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .8) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1) Jas 7.4 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Spade .2) Happy 6.2 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .2) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1) benconstine 1.2 (self 1, Inks .2) exhausted .2 (SPC .2) Round 3 Dwdl 8 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .8) Al 8 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .889) Culture King 8 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .889) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1) Jas 7.844 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Spade .2, Al, Pete, Hawk, King .111) Colin 6.556 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Preston, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .111) Happy 6.533 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .2, Franzl, Earl, Josh .111) Sensei 6.444 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1, CK, Alcon, Brtd, jfern .111) Andrew 5.111 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1, Lief .111) benconstine 1.2 (self 1, Inks .2) exhausted .311 (SPC .2, rocket .111) benconstine eliminated. Note: It is not entirely clear from the text of the act whether Al and CK (whose surpluses are of the same magnitude) should be redistributed separately or together. This would presumably be up to SoFAic interpretation, should a situation where it affects the result ever arise (if the higher ranking candidate's surplus leads to a further election) - it does not in this case. Further note: The redistribution of benconstine's vote can technically "materially affect the count" under the terms of the act, as although it cannot close Andrew's gap, it can elect Jas. Of course, Jas' potential surplus then couldn't close the gap either, so it's entirely academic. Andrew's elimination is unavoidable, and Jas, Colin, Happy and Sensei are effectively elected without a quota at this point. Round 4 Dwdl 8 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .8) Al 8 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .889) Culture King 8 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .889) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1) Jas 7.844 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1, Winfield, Spade .2, Al, Pete, Hawk, King .111) Colin 6.756 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Inks .2, Preston, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .111) Happy 6.533 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke .2, Franzl, Earl, Josh .111) Sensei 6.444 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1, CK, Alcon, Brtd, jfern .111) Andrew 6.111 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut, benconstine 1, Lief .111) Andrew eliminated, and Jas, Colin, Happy and Sensei elected without a quota. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2008, 06:14:14 AM Nine seats - quota 7
Round 1 Dwdl 10 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke) (2 second pref.s) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh) (16 second pref.s) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) (1 second pref.) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) (12 second pref.s) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod) (11 second pref.s) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS) (8 second pref.s) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe) (6 second pref.s) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut) (4 second pref.s) Happy 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi) (1 second pref.) benconstine 1 (self) (1 second pref.) Dwdl, Al, Culture King, Xahar and Jas elected. Surpluses redistributed in order of magnitude. Round 2 Dwdl 7 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .7) Al 9 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh 1) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket 1) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1) Happy 7.1 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam, Duke .3) Colin 6 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1) Sensei 6 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1) Andrew 5 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1) benconstine 1.3 (self 1, Inks .3) exhausted .6 (SPC, Winfield .3) Happy elected. Round 3 Dwdl 7 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .7) Al 7 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .778) Culture King 7 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .778) Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies 1) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1) Happy 7.1 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam, Duke .3) Colin 7.778 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Al, Pete, Preston, Hawk, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .222) Sensei 7.556 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1, Earl, King, Josh, CK, Alcon, BRTD, jfern .222) Andrew 5.444 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1, Lief, Franzl .222) benconstine 1.3 (self 1, Inks .3) exhausted .822 (SPC, Winfield .3, rocket .222) Colin, Sensei elected. As further surpluses cannot materially affect the count, benconstine eliminated, and Andrew elected without a quota. See above on issue of joint Al/Culture King surplus distribution. Also, from here on (or even from Al on, if the two surpluses are redistributed separately), the thing becomes academic and all about whether Andrew makes quota rather than about whether he is elected. Round 4 Dwdl 7 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .7) Al 7 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .778) Culture King 7 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .778) Xahar 7 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies .875) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1) Happy 7.1 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam, Duke .3) Colin 7.778 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS 1, Al, Pete, Preston, Hawk, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .222) Sensei 7.556 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1, Earl, King, Josh, CK, Alcon, BRTD, jfern .222) Andrew 6.319 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1, Lief, Franzl .222, Xahar, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, Cookie .125) benconstine 1.425 (self 1, Inks .3, MaxQue .125) Round 5 Dwdl 7 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .7) Al 7 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .778) Culture King 7 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .778) Xahar 7 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies .875) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1) Happy 7.1 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam, Duke .3) Colin 7 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS .9, Al, Pete, Preston, Hawk, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .2) Sensei 7.556 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe 1, Earl, King, Josh, CK, Alcon, BRTD, jfern .222) Andrew 6.953 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1, Lief, Franzl .222, Xahar, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, Cookie .125, Colin, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo .1, Al, Pete, Preston, Ebowed, Jesus, Boris .022) benconstine 1.467 (self 1, Inks .3, MaxQue .125, Hawk .022) exhausted .944 (SPC, Winfield .3, rocket .222, MAS .1, Everett .022) Round 6 Dwdl 7 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke .7) Al 7 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh .778) Culture King 7 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket .778) Xahar 7 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies .875) Jas 7 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod 1) Happy 7.1 (self, Andy Jackson, Meeker, Phil, Jedi 1, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam, Duke .3) Colin 7 (self, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo, MAS .9, Al, Pete, Preston, Hawk, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, Boris .2) Sensei 7 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe .926, Earl, King, Josh, CK, Alcon, BRTD, jfern .206) Andrew 7.312 (self, Rocky, fez, Hugh, Polnut 1, Lief, Franzl .222, Xahar, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, Cookie .125, Colin, Bull, Verily, Dibble, Frodo .1, Sensei, Bacon, GM3, Mikado .074, Al, Pete, Preston, Ebowed, Jesus, Boris .022, King, CK, Alcon, BRTD .016) benconstine 1.627 (self 1, Inks .3, MaxQue .125, Smash, Old Europe .074, Hawk .022, Earl, Josh .016) exhausted .961 (SPC, Winfield .3, rocket .222, MAS .1, Everett .022, jfern .016) Andrew elected. All seats filled, benconstine eliminated. Fuck the character limit by the by. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 30, 2008, 07:05:35 AM Deh countbackz.
Final count of actual election... Dwdl 12 (self, Inks, PiT, Smid, SPC, Winfield, PBrunsel, Brandon, Sam Spade, Duke, benconstine, Meeker) Jas 12 (self, Gustaf, Afleitch, Verin, Cash, Lewis, Mr Mod, Polnut, bull, Verily, Colin, Frodo) Al 11 (self, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Pete, Preston, Dave Hawk, King, Josh, Hugh, Dibble) Sensei 11 (self, Bacon, GM3, Mikado, Smash, Old Europe, Happy, Jedi, Rocky, Andrew, fez) Culture King 9 (self, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, jfern, rocket) Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson) exhausted 2 (Keystone Phil, MAS) For each countback, the vote pool consists of Xahar's vote, the two exhausted votes, and the votes of the candidate in question. The candidate pool consists of Xahar, Colin, Happy, Andrew, and benconstine (and evilmex). Dwdl Xahar 14 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Dwdl, PiT, Smid, PBrunsel, Brandon, Duke) Happy Warrior 4 (Andy Jackson, Phil, Meeker, Sam Spade) benconstine 2 (self, Inks) Colin 1 (MAS) exhausted 2 (SPC, Winfield) Xahar elected. Jas Round 1 Xahar 10 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Verin, Lewis) Colin 10 (self, MAS, Bull, Verily, Frodo, Jas, Gustaf, Afleitch, Cash, Mr Mod) Happy Warrior 2 (Andy Jackson, Phil) Andrew 1 (Polnut) Round 2 Xahar 12 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Verin, Lewis, Andy Jackson, Polnut) Colin 10 (self, MAS, Bull, Verily, Frodo, Jas, Gustaf, Afleitch, Cash, Mr Mod) exhausted 1 (Phil) Xahar elected. Al Xahar 13 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Lief, Franzl, Earl, Josh, Al) Colin 6 (MAS, Dibble, Pete, Preston, Hawk, King) Happy Warrior 2 (Andy Jackson, Phil) Andrew 1 (Hugh) Xahar elected. Sensei Round 1 Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Smash) Andrew 6 (self, Rocky, fez, GM3, Sensei, Mikado) Happy Warrior 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Phil, Jedi, Old Europe) Colin 2 (MAS, Bacon) Round 2 Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Smash) Andrew 7 (self, Rocky, fez, GM3, Sensei, Mikado, Bacon) Happy Warrior 5 (self, Andy Jackson, Phil, Jedi, Old Europe) exhausted 1 (MAS) Round 3 Xahar 11 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Smash, Happy, Andy Jackson) Andrew 9 (self, Rocky, fez, GM3, Sensei, Mikado, Bacon, Jedi, Old Europe) exhausted 2 (MAS, Phil) Xahar elected without a quota. Culture King Round 1 Xahar 8 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies) Colin 7 (MAS, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris) Happy Warrior 3 (Andy Jackson, Phil, CK) exhausted 2 (jfern, rocket) Round 2 Xahar 9 (self, Opebo, Torie, Evilmex, Hash, sbane, MaxQue, Cookies, Andy Jackson) Colin 8 (MAS, Alcon, Ebowed, Jesus, Everett, BRTD, Boris, CK) exhausted 3 (jfern, rocket, Phil) Xahar elected without a quota. Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 30, 2008, 10:54:09 AM I support the countback method. :)
Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: minionofmidas on August 31, 2008, 03:39:14 AM I support the countback method. :) Title: Re: Like-a-Fishhook Election Tracking Post by: Хahar 🤔 on August 31, 2008, 12:08:17 PM I support the countback method. :) Yes, I did propose it. ;) |