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Election Archive => 2008 Elections => Topic started by: Mr. Morden on August 18, 2008, 08:58:13 PM



Title: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Mr. Morden on August 18, 2008, 08:58:13 PM
Some of this was already leaked by Drudge, but this goes into more detail:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/19/us/politics/19veep.html?_r=2&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

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Senator Barack Obama has all but settled on his choice for a running mate and set an elaborate rollout plan for his decision, beginning with an early morning alert to supporters, perhaps as soon as Wednesday morning, aides said.

Mr. Obama’s deliberations remain remarkably closely held. Aides said perhaps a half-dozen advisers were involved in the final discussions in an effort to enforce a command that Mr. Obama issued to staff members: that his decision not leak out until supporters are notified.

Mr. Obama had not notified his choice — or any of those not selected — of his decision as of late Monday, advisers said. Going into the final days, Mr. Obama was said to be focused mainly on three candidates: Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, Gov. Tim Kaine of Virginia and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware.

Some Democrats said they still hoped that he would choose Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York, or Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, who has been under steady consideration by Mr. Obama’s campaign.

By all indications, Mr. Obama is likely to choose someone relatively safe and avoid taking a chance with a game-changing selection. A similar strategic choice now faces Mr. Obama’s Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, who has been under pressure from some Republicans to make a more daring choice.

Mr. Obama’s advisers said he all but reached his decision while on vacation in Hawaii. They said it was the end of what proved to be an unexpectedly intense process, condensed because he did not want to start actively vetting potential running mates before Mrs. Clinton quit the race in June.

By contrast, Mr. McCain, who had wrapped up the Republican nomination months earlier, began his process in late spring.

That gave Mr. Obama’s team of lawyers less time to review candidates, and several Democrats said it appeared that the list of candidates who were deeply vetted was limited to about a half-dozen people. (Campaigns typically check the background of candidates who are not necessarily in play, as a way of gaining favor with various constituencies or to keep the other party off balance.)

The team of advance workers and aides involved in planning the rollout — timed to galvanize Democratic voters as Mr. Obama heads to Denver next week for the party convention — have not been told who Mr. Obama will be selecting.

If all goes according to plan, the announcement will be made with text and e-mail messages to supporters early in the morning, in time to capture coverage on the morning news shows and take advantage of a full day’s news cycle.

Mr. Obama and his running mate will begin, perhaps that day, a visit to swing states. Plans call for them to be on the trail together for much of the time between the day of the announcement and the day Mr. Obama arrives in Denver, a week from Wednesday, but their most intense campaigning together will come after the convention.

Mr. Obama’s schedule calls for him to awaken on Tuesday in Orlando, Fla., and by the end of the day be in Raleigh, N.C. By Wednesday, he is scheduled to be in Virginia. The Obama campaign has cautioned against reading anything into his schedule, saying it could be changed in an instant to accommodate the plan to introduce the running mate.

Aides said the announcement would come at the earliest on Wednesday morning.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choi
Post by: Beet on August 18, 2008, 09:00:49 PM
Oh jeez. Pick someone safe, go to Hawaii for a week, don't respond to attacks. I thought this Axelrod guy was supposed to be some sort of genius?


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: CultureKing on August 18, 2008, 09:11:01 PM
Please don't pick Biden. The one thing that makes the VP a liability is foot-in-mouth disease which Biden sadly enough seems to be tainted with. Bayh seems like a good choice to me (though I really would have liked Warner or Sebelius).


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choi
Post by: The Man From G.O.P. on August 18, 2008, 09:12:51 PM
Kaine and Bayh are great choices, that being said PLEASE pick Biden




PLEASE


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on August 18, 2008, 09:15:34 PM
Please pick Kaine. We need another inexperienced guy to complement Obama.

Bayh would be the best of the three.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 18, 2008, 09:17:32 PM
It will be Hillary, IMO.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Sam Spade on August 18, 2008, 09:19:05 PM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: JSojourner on August 18, 2008, 09:41:00 PM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 18, 2008, 09:55:26 PM
Biden is the best of these 3. There are some things I don't like about him, for example his support of the credit card industry, but he's not as conservative as Kaine, and Bayh is a flat out conservative. Unscripted speaking from the heart appeals to me more than media crafted sound bites, anyways.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Reaganfan on August 18, 2008, 09:58:22 PM
So we either have:

1. Biden - Gaffe Machine
2. Bayh - Boring and "nice"
3. Kaine - Inexperienced


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: JSojourner on August 18, 2008, 10:12:19 PM
So we either have:

1. Biden - Gaffe Machine
2. Bayh - Boring and "nice"
3. Kaine - Inexperienced

Please list Biden's many gaffes.

I couldn't agree more about the other two.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on August 18, 2008, 10:13:07 PM
I'm still holding out hope on Mike Easley.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Sam Spade on August 18, 2008, 10:17:58 PM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 

Bush had been Governor for twice as long as Kaine, but I get your point.

You rate Bayh too high.  Trust me on this one.  Both Bayh and Kaine are below average, Biden is above average.  :)


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Firefly on August 18, 2008, 10:23:48 PM
I think this is a feint.  The article even says that the information was leaked by Obama aides.  The article goes on and on about how great a job Obama has done keeping the whole process a secret, such as working with potential choices on the campaign trail instead of inviting them for meetings and using the internet to research candidates without anyone else knowing.  Then they go and release the top three names right before the final choice?  To me, this is a good indication that the choice is NOT Biden, Bayh, or Kaine.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: JSojourner on August 18, 2008, 10:28:10 PM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 

Bush had been Governor for twice as long as Kaine, but I get your point.

You rate Bayh too high.  Trust me on this one.  Both Bayh and Kaine are below average, Biden is above average.  :)

Sam, Bayh may well be a below average choice and/or candidate.  But in terms of how he has done his job(s) over the years -- he's above average.  Now, will that necessarily translate into being a good Vice President?  Maybe not.  But he was an outstanding Governor.

As to Kaine, if he could serve two terms, he might just have "the stuff".  He's done some good things and some not-so-good things but he simply hasn't put in enough time in the minor leagues.  No need for a call-up this early.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choi
Post by: Beet on August 18, 2008, 10:30:23 PM
Kaine only fits with the other two if he wants to double down on the youth thing.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Sam Spade on August 18, 2008, 10:33:29 PM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 

Bush had been Governor for twice as long as Kaine, but I get your point.

You rate Bayh too high.  Trust me on this one.  Both Bayh and Kaine are below average, Biden is above average.  :)

Sam, Bayh may well be a below average choice and/or candidate.  But in terms of how he has done his job(s) over the years -- he's above average.  Now, will that necessarily translate into being a good Vice President?  Maybe not.  But he was an outstanding Governor.

I don't disagree with any of your comments - but for VP, no - he's far from the best choice.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on August 18, 2008, 10:33:54 PM

Sam, Bayh may well be a below average choice and/or candidate.  But in terms of how he has done his job(s) over the years -- he's above average.  Now, will that necessarily translate into being a good Vice President?  Maybe not.  But he was an outstanding Governor.

As to Kaine, if he could serve two terms, he might just have "the stuff".  He's done some good things and some not-so-good things but he simply hasn't put in enough time in the minor leagues.  No need for a call-up this early.

He has done a much more job than his daddy. As Senator, he pushed hard for the Iraq war resolution so that Bush could warmonger. He served as chair of the DLC during perhaps their 4 worst years. I think Bayh is only mentioned to try to make some other horrible choices look good in comparison. Obama needs someone reasonable to liberals; he's thrown us under a bus already enough for the next 8 years.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Aizen on August 18, 2008, 10:35:58 PM
Biden...That's who I've wanted and predicted since the beginning. I'd be very happy with him. Bayh... hell no. Kaine... I'd be neutral.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Reluctant Republican on August 18, 2008, 10:48:48 PM
I disagree with him on almost everything, but Biden would be my choice out of these three. I may be in the minority on this, but I think he carries this likeability about him that most other politicians lack. He also seems more authentic to me then either Bayh Or Kaine. I heard today on Hannity though (Consider the source) That Obama was leaning towards Biden but Michelle objected and told him to go with someone he was more comfortable with. I doubt it, but who knows?


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Franzl on August 19, 2008, 01:10:47 AM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 

^^^^^^^^^^^^


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: skoods on August 19, 2008, 01:20:40 AM
I want Hillary or Bayh...Biden would be okay. PLEASE NO KAINE!


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Bacon King on August 19, 2008, 01:23:16 AM
I bet it won't be any of the three. In fact, I wouldn't be suprised if it was someone we haven't heard about at all.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choi
Post by: ShadowRocket on August 19, 2008, 01:29:34 AM
Out of three, I think Bayh is the best choice and whom I would place my money on. Biden suffers from foot-in-mouth disease and contradicts the 'change' message, and Kaine is simply too inexperienced. Bayh may not be much of a Washington outsider, but at 52, still allow Obama to make the generational argument while bringing experience to the ticket.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: JSojourner on August 19, 2008, 11:22:56 AM
Biden is obviously the best.  Bayh and Kaine not so good, in that order.

Biden would be tremendous.  Bayh would be above average, but why settle?  Kaine adds nothing but more inexperience to the ticket.  I don't mean that as a slam against Kaine.  But a one term governor?  That's what Dubya was...

I am still crossing my fingers and hoping for either Biden or a smashingly successful surprise pick. 

Bush had been Governor for twice as long as Kaine, but I get your point.

You rate Bayh too high.  Trust me on this one.  Both Bayh and Kaine are below average, Biden is above average.  :)

Sam, Bayh may well be a below average choice and/or candidate.  But in terms of how he has done his job(s) over the years -- he's above average.  Now, will that necessarily translate into being a good Vice President?  Maybe not.  But he was an outstanding Governor.

I don't disagree with any of your comments - but for VP, no - he's far from the best choice.

I totally agree.  Basically, if Obama wins...it's a lost Senate seat and a competent, but unspectacular number two.  If Obama loses, it's particularly safe, unimaginative pick.  Biden is substantially better.  And I still think Sam Nunn is, too.  But no one thinks that will go anywhere.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: JSojourner on August 19, 2008, 11:26:30 AM

Sam, Bayh may well be a below average choice and/or candidate.  But in terms of how he has done his job(s) over the years -- he's above average.  Now, will that necessarily translate into being a good Vice President?  Maybe not.  But he was an outstanding Governor.

As to Kaine, if he could serve two terms, he might just have "the stuff".  He's done some good things and some not-so-good things but he simply hasn't put in enough time in the minor leagues.  No need for a call-up this early.

He has done a much more job than his daddy. As Senator, he pushed hard for the Iraq war resolution so that Bush could warmonger. He served as chair of the DLC during perhaps their 4 worst years. I think Bayh is only mentioned to try to make some other horrible choices look good in comparison. Obama needs someone reasonable to liberals; he's thrown us under a bus already enough for the next 8 years.

Preaching to the choir, with me.  I like Bayh personally.  And he was an effective Governor.  But he's far, far too conservative for me.  And frankly, Indiana's other Senator has been more critical (though still supportive) of the Iraq debacle.  And Lugar is a conservative Republican.

Bayh's problem, like so many other pols, is that they are in states where re-election would be impossible without a substantially conservative voting record. Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Mary Landrieu and a number of house members might well have more moderate voting records...but they know that would spell defeat.

Yeah, Birch was great.  Those were the days.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Suburbia on August 01, 2014, 01:10:42 PM
Six years later, I wonder what would happen if Obama picked then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: MATTROSE94 on September 04, 2014, 09:07:44 AM
Six years later, I wonder what would happen if Obama picked then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.
Maybe Obama would have done a point or two better in Virginia, but that's about it.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Mr. Morden on October 15, 2014, 01:37:23 AM
I think had Obama been a more gutsy politician he should have taken Mark Warner.

Warner (like Webb and Strickland) refused to be vetted.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Paul Kemp on October 19, 2014, 01:17:20 PM
I think had Obama been a more gutsy politician he should have taken Mark Warner.

What exactly would be more "gutsy" about picking Warner? He's an inoffensive white guy from Virginia - a state he won anyway.


Title: Re: NYT details Obama VP rollout plans; names Bayh, Biden, and Kaine as top choices
Post by: Libertarian Socialist Dem on December 31, 2014, 12:10:29 AM
Six years later, I wonder what would happen if Obama picked then-Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.
Maybe Obama would have done a point or two better in Virginia, but that's about it.

One big difference right now, is that Kaine as the incumbent VP considerably younger then Biden would probably be laying the groundwork for a presidential bid in 2016. If Hillary was still appointed Secretary of State i'm sure that she'd be talked about also but the party would be divided more between the two of them and she'd be less of a clear frontrunner.