Title: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 08:16:53 PM Let me enjoy the final hours that I have left to float these rumors, guys. ;)
Santorum matches Biden in every way - http://townhall.com/Columnists/RichardOlivastro/2008/08/27/selecting_rick_santorum_checkmates_biden (http://townhall.com/Columnists/RichardOlivastro/2008/08/27/selecting_rick_santorum_checkmates_biden) Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 28, 2008, 08:17:50 PM Please choose Santorum, McCain!
Pretty please! Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Ban my account ffs! on August 28, 2008, 08:18:38 PM OMG McCain would so carry PA
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Lunar on August 28, 2008, 08:26:15 PM Rick Santorum vs. Daffy Duck
Decisions.... Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: exopolitician on August 28, 2008, 08:26:45 PM Rick Santorum vs. Daffy Duck Decisions.... DAFFY! :D I just might switch my vote then. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on August 28, 2008, 08:27:26 PM Yeah... pick a guy who gets booted out by 20pts - that'll swing PA. LOL.
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 08:29:36 PM Yes please....pretty please.
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: WalterMitty on August 28, 2008, 08:32:48 PM phil, i thought you were a mccain supporter?
why do you want him to lose? Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: angus on August 28, 2008, 08:33:24 PM Let me enjoy the final hours that I have left to float these rumors, guys. ;) Santorum matches Biden in every way - http://townhall.com/Columnists/RichardOlivastro/2008/08/27/selecting_rick_santorum_checkmates_biden (http://townhall.com/Columnists/RichardOlivastro/2008/08/27/selecting_rick_santorum_checkmates_biden) some great ads at that website you linked. I'll have to check in there more often. () pretty cool. You'll get no argument against that from me, phil. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 08:46:05 PM phil, i thought you were a mccain supporter? why do you want him to lose? Haha, the dislike for this guy is really overstated. By the way, for all the geniuses that make the jokes about him swinging PA, I've never argued that Santorum would even help him here, let alone be the deciding factor in McCain's favor. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 28, 2008, 08:50:21 PM phil, i thought you were a mccain supporter? why do you want him to lose? Haha, the dislike for this guy is really overstated. By the way, for all the geniuses that make the jokes about him swinging PA, I've never argued that Santorum would even help him here, let alone be the deciding factor in McCain's favor. What does Santorum add to the ticket? He's a loony far-right conservative who got booted out by his home state, as an incumbent, by double digits. Were you also a fierce advocate of Daschle being Obama's VP? Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 08:53:48 PM What does Santorum add to the ticket? He'd totally satisfy any wary conservatives. He's young. He's a tough, talented debater. Quote He's a loony far-right conservative who got booted out by his home state, as an incumbent, by double digits. Well, his ideology is also misunderstood. He got booted in a bad year by a man with a legendary name. I don't doubt that he was personally unpopular that year regardless of national politics and whoever was running against him. Is he as unpopular as people think? No, I don't believe so. Quote Were you also a fierce advocate of Daschle being Obama's VP? No because Daschle added hardly anything to the ticket. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: WalterMitty on August 28, 2008, 08:56:41 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs.
mccain doesnt want to go there. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 09:00:13 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 09:05:11 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: ChrisFromNJ on August 28, 2008, 09:05:55 PM LOL, look at all the people standing up in front of the screen.
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 09:06:46 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 09:08:54 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol Uh, what? I'm talking about white, blue collar, Catholic voters. And since when are older women "Pro Abortion rights?" You really do fail to understand so many simple concepts. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 09:10:17 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol And since when are older women "Pro Abortion rights?" Trust me Hillary voters are pro-abortion/women's rights. Those who aren't already vote republican. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 09:19:53 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol And since when are older women "Pro Abortion rights?" Trust me Hillary voters are pro-abortion/women's rights. Those who aren't already vote republican. Yay for simplistic thinking! I'm sure every Hillary supporter especially in states like Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. are 100% Pro Choice/"Women's rights." Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: TeePee4Prez on August 28, 2008, 10:03:54 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol And since when are older women "Pro Abortion rights?" Trust me Hillary voters are pro-abortion/women's rights. Those who aren't already vote republican. Yay for simplistic thinking! I'm sure every Hillary supporter especially in states like Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. are 100% Pro Choice/"Women's rights." I have to agree with Phil SOMEWHAT. True, there are a lot of older secular white Catholic and Jewish women who voted for Hillary and will likely vote Obama. But there were also the "rosary a day" types who were energized by a woman as a major presidential candidate who are definitely pro-life and in many cases aren't big on a black candidate because they remember the days of race riots and being forced out of their old neighborhood. I also think Obama will pickup some people who weren't crazy about Kerry and while they didn't ideologically agree with Bush, they voted for the devil they knew. The "Reagan Democrat" is not entriely dead and won't be as much of a factor as it once was in the 1980s, but elements still exist. If anything a lot of white Catholics, mostly younger, share my views and have some strands of Reagan Democratism on issues such as the death penalty, affirmative action, "FRY MUMIA", etc, but are liberal on the bedroom issues such as birth control, abortion, gay marriage, TV content, etc. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: RJ on August 28, 2008, 10:37:26 PM Uh, what? I'm talking about white, blue collar, Catholic voters. You said it, not me. Exactly how did Ricky doo do amongst these voters in 06'? Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 10:43:34 PM Uh, what? I'm talking about white, blue collar, Catholic voters. You said it, not me. Exactly how did Ricky doo do amongst these voters in 06'? Just because he didn't win them (again, consider his opponent) doesn't mean he doesn't have sway with them. McCain-Santorum vs. Obama-Biden would be nothing like Santorum vs. Casey. Obama-Biden doesn't have the type of appeal that the Casey name has with white, blue collar, Catholic voters. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: 12th Doctor on August 28, 2008, 10:45:05 PM I agree, if there is anyone who can come off as a big an asshole as Biden, its Rick... and I say that in a loving way.
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: 12th Doctor on August 28, 2008, 10:48:08 PM The difference is that Biden is more of an arrogant asshole, where as Rick is more like the guy who hits you in the back with a chair during a bar fight and then kicks you in the nuts before going after your best friend. Gotta even the odds.
Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: RJ on August 28, 2008, 10:54:58 PM Just because he didn't win them (again, consider his opponent) doesn't mean he doesn't have sway with them. McCain-Santorum vs. Obama-Biden would be nothing like Santorum vs. Casey. Obama-Biden doesn't have the type of appeal that the Casey name has with white, blue collar, Catholic voters. While I disagree that this voting block we've argued over is as organized as you've made them out to be, when you lose an election by 17+ points, it stands to reason you've alienated just about every voting block there is. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't have expected Rick to beat Casey but I would've figured he'd come closer than 17+points. I think Santorum would be disaster for McCain amongst these voters. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 10:55:29 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. In addition Santorum would by default unify the democratic and liberal base. Santorum doesn't irritate the Democratic voters that McCain still has a chance with. Really????? The only democratic voters Mccain has a chance with are older women and they are pro-abortion rights. Also Mccain has a chance to do relatively well with gays but yeah with Santorum..lololol And since when are older women "Pro Abortion rights?" Trust me Hillary voters are pro-abortion/women's rights. Those who aren't already vote republican. Yay for simplistic thinking! I'm sure every Hillary supporter especially in states like Kentucky, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc. are 100% Pro Choice/"Women's rights." I never said they were 100% pro choice dumbass. But guess what a lot of them are. That is their issue, women's rights. Many of these Hillary supporters who are hesitant to go over to Obama's side are basically democrat on most issues, but for some reason felt Obama was given preferential treatment. They feel as if Hillary was not chosen because she was a woman. Democrats can win without winning blue collar catholics by decent margins, but they certainly cannot win when women don't vote with their usual high margins for democrats. There is a chance Mccain can pull away a lot of these moderate women voters, but he will not do it with Santorum. Anyways as I have said I would absolutely love for Santorum to be the pick. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Keystone Phil on August 28, 2008, 10:59:43 PM While I disagree that this voting block we've argued over is as organized as you've made them out to be, when you lose an election by 17+ points, it stands to reason you've alienated just about every voting block there is. Don't get me wrong; I wouldn't have expected Rick to beat Casey but I would've figured he'd come closer than 17+points. I think Santorum would be disaster for McCain amongst these voters. I really have no idea how you can believe that "white, blue collar, Catholic voters" aren't a major, organized group especially in a state like PA. I really don't understand that. But, hey, whatever. I never said they were 100% pro choice dumbass. Oh, ok! So the comment about them being Pro Choice or actually voting Republican meant what exactly? Quote But guess what a lot of them are. That is their issue, women's rights. Many of these Hillary supporters who are hesitant to go over to Obama's side are basically democrat on most issues, but for some reason felt Obama was given preferential treatment. They feel as if Hillary was not chosen because she was a woman. Democrats can win without winning blue collar catholics by decent margins, but they certainly cannot win when women don't vote with their usual high margins for democrats. I'm not expecting to win Hillary's original base (her personal fan club). However, plenty of blue collar, populist types that would have been huge for Edwards ended up going for her over Obama. They might not be the Hillary fanatics but they consider themselves more loyal to Hillary than Obama. Right now, a lot of them don't have a candidate to back. Let's see what happens. Quote Anyways as I have said I would absolutely love for Santorum to be the pick. Ok, great! ::) Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home. on August 28, 2008, 11:00:21 PM Santorum would end McCain chances...
next Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 11:12:56 PM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: 12th Doctor on August 28, 2008, 11:16:43 PM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 28, 2008, 11:17:47 PM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. Well I just had to say that because he thinks Palin will be Mccain's VP so he's not totally full of common sense. :) Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: 12th Doctor on August 28, 2008, 11:18:26 PM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. Hell, back when he posted more often, jmf was one of the forums most profound posters... not to say he isn't now, but he doesn't post enough. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: JSojourner on August 28, 2008, 11:23:27 PM phil, santorum compared homosexuality to having sex with dogs. mccain doesnt want to go there. I think Santorum didn't compare the two. I think he said one led to the other. I'm not completely sure what he meant. But I suspect it follows along the lines of some preachers... "Adam and Steve get tired of the buttsex and need something more titilating to get off...so they go after Rover and Fido." I'm not sure which idea is crazier. But at least Santorum has never said gays should be put to death. I gotta give him props for that. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: angus on August 29, 2008, 10:30:57 AM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. jmfcst is one of the most well-informed posters. He's a regular listener of NPR and stays abreast of current events better than most folks. Myself included. He can be intimidating, though. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: JSojourner on August 29, 2008, 10:51:20 AM Santorum would end McCain chances... next Some common sense from an unlikely source. jmfcst is one of the most well-informed posters. He's a regular listener of NPR and stays abreast of current events better than most folks. Myself included. He can be intimidating, though. I agree he is well-informed. And he and I have our serious tussles. But intimidating? Nah, he's a pretty nice fellow. Title: Re: Selection: Santorum? Post by: Sbane on August 29, 2008, 01:08:21 PM Well congratulations are certainly on the order for jmfct. Not only did he have the common sense to understand Santorum would be a bad pick but he also guessed right that it would be Palin. Well done sir.
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