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Title: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on October 29, 2008, 03:45:24 PM The most hated minority in America is under fire.
Quote Sen. Elizabeth Dole’s latest advertisement suggests her Democratic opponent, Kay Hagan, is a godless heathen. “A leader of the Godless Americans PAC recently held a secret fundraiser for Kay Hagan,” the 30-second spot says, showing footage of the group’s members talking about their atheist beliefs on cable news. “Godless Americans and Kay Hagan. She hid from cameras. Took godless money,” the ad concludes. “What did Kay Hagan promise in return?” At the very end of the ad, a voice sounding like Hagan's says: "There is no God." The ad is airing across North Carolina. The ad bases the charge on Hagan’s attendance at a netroots fundraiser on her behalf that was hosted by two advisers of the Godless Americans’ political action committee. According to its website, the group advocates for atheists' rights. Hagan is holding a press conference with her pastor and family this afternoon to rebut the charges. Hagan is an member (and elder) at the First Presbyterian Church in Greensboro. UPDATE: Hagan just held a conference call, where she said she was "appalled by Elizabeth Dole's vile tactics" with the ad, and threatened a lawsuit against the Dole campaign to force them to take the ad down. “This is politics of the worst kind. It is so unbecoming of a woman like Elizabeth Dole," Hagan said. "This is a fabricated, pathetic ad... Is Elizabeth Dole that desperate to keep this Senate seat?” Hagan added that the voice saying "there is no God" at the end of the ad was not hers, and was a voice impersonator. UPDATE 2: At a pen-and-pad briefing this afternoon, DSCC Chairman Chuck Schumer called Dole's campaign "desperate" for airing the ads. "Liddy Dole is getting a little desperate, if you've seen the ad she put out yesterday," Schumer said. Schumer added that Hagan still holds a comfortable lead in the committe's internal polling, even though several public polls show Dole gaining a little momentum. http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1008/Dole_still_keeping_the_faith.html Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: perdedor on October 29, 2008, 03:50:47 PM What can you really expect from such wretched filth as Elizabeth Dole?
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Small Business Owner of Any Repute on October 29, 2008, 03:53:19 PM Pretty desperate sounding.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on October 29, 2008, 04:00:27 PM lol
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Likely Voter on October 29, 2008, 04:01:36 PM I am an agnostic, and this kind of thing is pretty annoying. That being said, 'the godless americans PAC'...couldn't they come up with a better name? Secular Americans? anything sounds better.
as for the ad itself, to actually create a fake audio quote saying 'there is no god' and put it into a candidates mouth, in the south. Nice. It is amazing that this isn't illegal...or if it is, lets hope they get it off the air. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Eraserhead on October 29, 2008, 04:15:10 PM I'm really not going to miss this man-woman.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Torie on October 29, 2008, 04:28:44 PM Well the lawsuit won't work. The ad beyond that is accurate - vile but accurate. ♠
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on October 29, 2008, 10:35:06 PM This is nothing new.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Associate Justice PiT on October 29, 2008, 10:40:48 PM Disgusting, though not surprising.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Хahar 🤔 on October 30, 2008, 12:02:43 AM Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on October 30, 2008, 07:08:03 AM They had Hagan's Pastor on the news this morning, saying Hagan is a woman of faith and comes to church alot. Hagan is asking Dole to take the lies off the air. I can't wait until Hagan kicks her ass on Tues.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Hash on October 30, 2008, 07:12:50 AM I hope this human trash loses.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on October 30, 2008, 10:10:16 AM It's amazing how someone can be demoted from "incompetent Republican senator" to "human trash" in a mere week. That said, I am encouraged that Dole is fighting back, and I am going to vote for her enthusiastically now. You make me sick. You would vote for someone who puts out this crap? You want this type of senator. You are a sick person. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Brittain33 on October 30, 2008, 10:22:53 AM Well the lawsuit won't work. The ad beyond that is accurate - vile but accurate. ♠ She used a voice impersonator to fake a voice-over from Hagan saying "There is no God." At the very least, the lawsuit will be enough to make tv stations consider banning the ad. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on October 30, 2008, 11:25:48 AM Kay has a newad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76tRXq0ZC0) that will start running on the air today about this.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 30, 2008, 11:43:23 AM I don't know if the event was planned beforehand, but if so, releasing this right before Hagan attends the General Baptist State Convention in Fayetteville (top event listed on her web site) is a really dumb move.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 30, 2008, 12:05:19 PM Here's Hagan's response ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76tRXq0ZC0
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Torie on October 30, 2008, 03:29:03 PM Here's Hagan's response ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76tRXq0ZC0 Man, that is a show stopper. I think that will finish Liddy off. No big loss there. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 30, 2008, 11:29:58 PM I think Dole pulled sort of a Haily Mary gamble (no religion pun intended.) Her internals showed her unable to make it up in the last few days, so pull something big. If it works, it works, if it backlashes, well you would've lost anyway. Right now it's looking like backlash.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Bob Dole '96 on October 31, 2008, 12:04:20 AM It's amazing how someone can be demoted from "incompetent Republican senator" to "human trash" in a mere week. That said, I am encouraged that Dole is fighting back, and I am going to vote for her enthusiastically now. Amen. It was Hagan that brought it on. People here are ignoring that there is a "godless americans pac". That's the real issue, not Dole's ad, which was a home run. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Ronnie on October 31, 2008, 12:08:14 AM Here's Hagan's response ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76tRXq0ZC0 Man, is that gonna hurt. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 31, 2008, 12:10:52 AM It's amazing how someone can be demoted from "incompetent Republican senator" to "human trash" in a mere week. That said, I am encouraged that Dole is fighting back, and I am going to vote for her enthusiastically now. Amen. It was Hagan that brought it on. People here are ignoring that there is a "godless americans pac". That's the real issue, not Dole's ad, which was a home run. Yes, and their leader was one of 40 co-hosters for a fundraiser Hagan attended not even being aware of the "Godless Americans" PAC. Misleading and dishonest doesn't even begin to describe it. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Torie on October 31, 2008, 12:11:41 AM It's amazing how someone can be demoted from "incompetent Republican senator" to "human trash" in a mere week. That said, I am encouraged that Dole is fighting back, and I am going to vote for her enthusiastically now. Amen. It was Hagan that brought it on. People here are ignoring that there is a "godless americans pac". That's the real issue, not Dole's ad, which was a home run. Liddy's mistake was that voice at the end implying it was Hagan who shared Torie's views about religion. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on October 31, 2008, 12:13:02 AM Quote To: nickcarraway Birds of a feather... Just being a Democrat is reason enough to believe she is not a true Christian. I bet she is really a member of the Muslim conspiracy to take over American and impolse Shaira law on Christian and Jewish Americans. Could Hagan be a crypto-Muslim, like Obama, the leader of her party? 11 posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:35:19 PM by FFranco [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies] http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2118805/posts Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Хahar 🤔 on October 31, 2008, 12:17:23 AM Quote To: nickcarraway Birds of a feather... Just being a Democrat is reason enough to believe she is not a true Christian. I bet she is really a member of the Muslim conspiracy to take over American and impolse Shaira law on Christian and Jewish Americans. Could Hagan be a crypto-Muslim, like Obama, the leader of her party? 11 posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:35:19 PM by FFranco [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies] http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2118805/posts :D Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 01, 2008, 03:46:09 AM I just watched the ads. Is Hagan originally from North Carolina? She has a bizarre accent.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on November 01, 2008, 09:31:43 PM I just watched the ads. Is Hagan originally from North Carolina? She has a bizarre accent. Yes she is, but I think somepoint in her life she move to FL then back to NC. But Hagan's voices was never on that ad. It was a fake voice. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 01, 2008, 10:56:54 PM The bizarre accent was from the press conference where she addressed the ads and said she was really religious.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on November 01, 2008, 11:38:56 PM The bizarre accent was from the press conference where she addressed the ads and said she was really religious. Ah ok. I don't know where she got it from. I know she was born in NC and at some point in her childhood they moved to FL. Then she moved back her and married and raised her 3 kids in Greensboro, NC. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Sensei on November 01, 2008, 11:45:57 PM I'm disgusted by the fact that non-religious people are looked upon unfavorably by so many people...
But I guess we can turn the lights off on this one, there's nothing to see here. Congratulations Hagan. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 02, 2008, 01:56:38 AM I'm disgusted by the fact that non-religious people are looked upon unfavorably by so many people... I've never been religious, but I don't want a Senator elected by big money from people who want to outlaw nativity scenes at Christmas. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Associate Justice PiT on November 02, 2008, 02:11:11 AM I'm disgusted by the fact that non-religious people are looked upon unfavorably by so many people... I've never been religious, but I don't want a Senator elected by big money from people who want to outlaw nativity scenes at Christmas. They do? Great, just what we need. People persecuting the religious only hurts the non-religious. Of course, I was once one of the persecutors. :( Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 02, 2008, 07:30:49 PM Godless Americans promote a secular society and don't want government associated with religion at all. It opposes Christmas being a federal holiday and any mention of in the Pledge of Allegiance or on U.S. currency. Hagan said she doesn't support the group's agenda. (http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1278603.html)
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Associate Justice PiT on November 03, 2008, 01:31:04 AM Huh. While I'm not a fan of Christmas being a federal holiday, I'm fine with it for the time we get off, though I wish people would just say Merry Christmas FFS. As an Atheist, I find it offensive that we celebrate a Christian holiday & don't acknowledge that it's one so as to not offend people like me.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 03, 2008, 01:43:16 AM And I'd be fine with Hagan either standing up for her donor base or returning the money, but not trying to have it both ways.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: JSojourner on November 03, 2008, 11:08:14 AM It's amazing how someone can be demoted from "incompetent Republican senator" to "human trash" in a mere week. That said, I am encouraged that Dole is fighting back, and I am going to vote for her enthusiastically now. Amen. It was Hagan that brought it on. People here are ignoring that there is a "godless americans pac". That's the real issue, not Dole's ad, which was a home run. Absolutely, Arthur. Those Atheists disguised as Presbyterian Sunday School teachers who pray to Jesus are everywhere. Just like Muslims disguised as Christians. But I'll take a page out of General Powell's playbook here. What's the problem if Hagan IS an Atheist? Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: JSojourner on November 03, 2008, 11:10:12 AM I'm disgusted by the fact that non-religious people are looked upon unfavorably by so many people... I've never been religious, but I don't want a Senator elected by big money from people who want to outlaw nativity scenes at Christmas. Nobody wants to outlaw Nativity scenes. Many people, including some Christians, want to see Nativity scenes off government property...for a number of reasons. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 03, 2008, 12:13:44 PM But I'll take a page out of General Powell's playbook here. What's the problem if Hagan IS an Atheist? Absolutely nothing. Hagan should hold a press conference today and say she is proud to be an atheist. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on November 03, 2008, 12:16:09 PM But I'll take a page out of General Powell's playbook here. What's the problem if Hagan IS an Atheist? Absolutely nothing. Hagan should hold a press conference today and say she is proud to be an atheist. First off Hagan was born and raise in NC you stupid loser. Also she isn't an atheist go troll some other site because we don't want you here. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 03, 2008, 12:19:49 PM I was born and raised in North Carolina, and I am not Vander Blubb. Please read more carefully next time.
Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Brittain33 on November 03, 2008, 12:20:13 PM And I'd be fine with Hagan either standing up for her donor base "her donor base"? It was one person who was one of 40 co-chairs of a fundraiser who belongs to this PAC, and who I suspect knows exactly what he was getting when contributing to a candidate running for Senate from North Carolina. Good luck conjuring up a wedge issue among Democrats here. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Josh/Devilman88 on November 03, 2008, 12:23:38 PM I was born and raised in North Carolina, and I am not Vander Blubb. Please read more carefully next time. I'm Sooo sorry, take all of what I said and put it toward Vander Blubb. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: JSojourner on November 03, 2008, 12:48:39 PM But I'll take a page out of General Powell's playbook here. What's the problem if Hagan IS an Atheist? Absolutely nothing. Hagan should hold a press conference today and say she is proud to be an atheist. Proud to be an Atheist Presbyterian elder and Sunday School teacher. Let's be accurate. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: HardRCafé on November 03, 2008, 01:14:16 PM I think what's more disturbing about this situation is not that Dole put out the ad, but that in order for Hagan to keep herself alive, she felt she had to denounce the group. That's the interesting part. Title: Re: Senator Dole is attacking atheists Post by: Brittain33 on November 03, 2008, 01:23:17 PM I think what's more disturbing about this situation is not that Dole put out the ad, but that in order for Hagan to keep herself alive, she felt she had to denounce the group. That's pitiful and neither of these women deserve this Senate seat. That's American politics. Anyone running for Senate in certain states who didn't do that, is too incompetent to serve in office. |