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Title: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: ?????????? on November 12, 2008, 08:41:06 PM
Could anything stop a US president from running for a Congressional or Senate seat winning and then stepping down from POTUS? Outside of sheer unpopularity could anyone stop a president from doing this?


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 12, 2008, 08:42:09 PM
Not that I know of, no.  Vice Presidents can do it; so I assume Presidents can as well.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: ?????????? on November 12, 2008, 08:43:19 PM
Not that I know of, no.  Vice Presidents can do it; so I assume Presidents can as well.

I can only imagine what the sheer uproar would be.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 12, 2008, 08:56:38 PM
Not that I know of, no.  Vice Presidents can do it; so I assume Presidents can as well.

I can only imagine what the sheer uproar would be.

Oh, it would raise hell, but there's nothing to prohibit it.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on November 12, 2008, 10:01:06 PM
I've always wondered what would happen if a President appointed himself CJ.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Erc on November 13, 2008, 12:57:44 PM
I've always wondered what would happen if a President appointed himself CJ.

Tempting if a vacancy came up in the final months of one's administration.

Likely the Senate wouldn't approve of the shenanigans (unless, perhaps, Taft tried to pull that off).


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: dunn on November 13, 2008, 01:08:08 PM
[(unless, perhaps, Taft tried to pull that off).

Taft was appointed mor then 8 years after his presidency. Anad was approved 60-4 in  the Senate


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: J. J. on November 13, 2008, 03:01:44 PM
I've always wondered what would happen if a President appointed himself CJ.

He's never get confirmed.  :)

Serously, depending on the circumstances, I could understand a President running for Congress.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: WillK on November 13, 2008, 03:27:50 PM
Could anything stop a US president from running for a Congressional or Senate seat winning and then stepping down from POTUS? Outside of sheer unpopularity could anyone stop a president from doing this?

There are two presidents who served in congress after having been president.  But both waited until after their term was done before doing so.

But would a sitting president meet the state residency requirements to be a congressperson?

 


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on November 13, 2008, 04:26:10 PM
Could anything stop a US president from running for a Congressional or Senate seat winning and then stepping down from POTUS? Outside of sheer unpopularity could anyone stop a president from doing this?

There are two presidents who served in congress after having been president.  But both waited until after their term was done before doing so.

But would a sitting president meet the state residency requirements to be a congressperson?

Yes. They vote in their home states, for instance.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Erc on November 13, 2008, 06:13:58 PM
[(unless, perhaps, Taft tried to pull that off).

Taft was appointed mor then 8 years after his presidency. Anad was approved 60-4 in  the Senate

Sorry, meant if Taft (being actually qualified for the position) had tried to pull that off in early 1913 with the outgoing Republican (I believe) Senate.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: WillK on November 14, 2008, 09:23:20 AM
Could anything stop a US president from running for a Congressional or Senate seat winning and then stepping down from POTUS? Outside of sheer unpopularity could anyone stop a president from doing this?

There are two presidents who served in congress after having been president.  But both waited until after their term was done before doing so.

But would a sitting president meet the state residency requirements to be a congressperson?

Yes. They vote in their home states, for instance.

True.  I feel like an idiot for forgetting that. 


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: minionofmidas on November 14, 2008, 03:37:21 PM
At the end of their term... why the hell not?

In a midterm though... now that would be fun!


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: © tweed on December 14, 2008, 01:08:59 PM
This is a great question, especially because what the hell is Obama going to do after he is no longer president. He is only 47. Even serving two terms he will be 55. He could go right back to the Senate.

Clinton was younger...

Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on December 14, 2008, 01:48:27 PM
Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.

Hasn't he already done that?


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Purple State on January 02, 2009, 01:32:00 PM
Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.

Hasn't he already done that?

Was going to say that. He has nothing else to do, nowhere to go.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: © tweed on January 02, 2009, 04:03:13 PM
Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.

Hasn't he already done that?

Was going to say that. He has nothing else to do, nowhere to go.

just because he has already written a few books does not mean that he will find no profit in the writing of a post-presidential memoir.  more money is always good.

he could also whore himself out to a bunch of universities and make $1M an appearance.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 02, 2009, 08:44:22 PM
The what to do with an ex-President issue.  Personally, I would favor amending the Constitution so that former elected Presidents would have a lifetime Senate seat once their Presidential term had ended.  Might have made things interesting if both Clintons had been in the Senate.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on January 03, 2009, 02:59:32 PM
The what to do with an ex-President issue.  Personally, I would favor amending the Constitution so that former elected Presidents would have a lifetime Senate seat once their Presidential term had ended.  Might have made things interesting if both Clintons had been in the Senate.

But that has its own problems, since the Senate is a fairly small body and a few extra Senators could make a huge difference.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: minionofmidas on January 03, 2009, 03:56:55 PM
The what to do with an ex-President issue.  Personally, I would favor amending the Constitution so that former elected Presidents would have a lifetime Senate seat once their Presidential term had ended.  Might have made things interesting if both Clintons had been in the Senate.

But that has its own problems, since the Senate is a fairly small body and a few extra Senators could make a huge difference.
Make them take their state's junior senator's seat. ;D
Although lifetime is a very bad idea, as viz. Ronald Reagan's retirement. Up to age 70 or something would do.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 04, 2009, 11:40:52 AM
The what to do with an ex-President issue.  Personally, I would favor amending the Constitution so that former elected Presidents would have a lifetime Senate seat once their Presidential term had ended.  Might have made things interesting if both Clintons had been in the Senate.

But that has its own problems, since the Senate is a fairly small body and a few extra Senators could make a huge difference.
Make them take their state's junior senator's seat. ;D
Although lifetime is a very bad idea, as viz. Ronald Reagan's retirement. Up to age 70 or something would do.

I dare say that Reagan would not have been either the first or last senile Senator we had.  Besides, a mandatory age 70 retirement provision would gut about one-fifth of the Senate.  I'm certain that the GOP wouldn't mind an age 80 retirement provision, as that would currently mean 4 Democrats would have to go  (Byrd, Lautenberg, Inouye, and Akaka).


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: minionofmidas on January 04, 2009, 12:19:05 PM
The what to do with an ex-President issue.  Personally, I would favor amending the Constitution so that former elected Presidents would have a lifetime Senate seat once their Presidential term had ended.  Might have made things interesting if both Clintons had been in the Senate.

But that has its own problems, since the Senate is a fairly small body and a few extra Senators could make a huge difference.
Make them take their state's junior senator's seat. ;D
Although lifetime is a very bad idea, as viz. Ronald Reagan's retirement. Up to age 70 or something would do.

I dare say that Reagan would not have been either the first or last senile Senator we had.  Besides, a mandatory age 70 retirement provision would gut about one-fifth of the Senate.  I'm certain that the GOP wouldn't mind an age 80 retirement provision, as that would currently mean 4 Democrats would have to go  (Byrd, Lautenberg, Inouye, and Akaka).
No, I meant only for the ex-Presidents. Who, unlike the Senators, do not need to face reelection.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 04, 2009, 09:31:58 PM
Something I thought of for when a Vice President wins: the day after the election, the President should resign, so the Vice President can take office a few months early.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on January 04, 2009, 10:10:42 PM
Supposedly in 1916 Wilson gave some thought to appointing Hughes as Secretary of State if Hughes won and then having himself and and VP Marshall resign so as to avoid having a lengthy lame duck period while the Great War was raging in Europe.  (Under the Presidential succession law then in place, the Speaker and the PPT of the Senate were not in succession.)  Might have made an interesting precedent.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 02, 2009, 07:02:41 AM
Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.

Hasn't he already done that?

Was going to say that. He has nothing else to do, nowhere to go.

I think he would be interested to serve at the Supreme Court. He was after all a constitutional law proffesor.
Wouldn't he become the first one to serve at the highest level of all three branches of government?
(President, U.S. Senator, Supreme Court Justice)


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on February 02, 2009, 08:36:15 AM
Obama will probably do what they all do; make millions on a lecture tour and write a bad book or two.

Hasn't he already done that?

Was going to say that. He has nothing else to do, nowhere to go.

I think he would be interested to serve at the Supreme Court. He was after all a constitutional law proffesor.
Wouldn't he become the first one to serve at the highest level of all three branches of government?
(President, U.S. Senator, Supreme Court Justice)

He would be, and he would be an interesting counterpoint to Justice Thomas.  One Justice who could speak eloquently from the bench, and another who doesn't speak.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: pragmatic liberal on April 13, 2009, 09:08:02 PM
I'm sure Obama would do the teach/lecture/write thing for several years after his presidency. Then he would likely get involved in humanitarian and development work, like Clinton and Carter.

I suppose Supreme Court Justice would be plausible, but I don't know that he'd be willing to become a junior associate Justice.

Maybe he could go back to Chicago and run for Mayor of Chicago to succeed Daley. He'd basically have it as a lifetime job, although going from leader of the free world to dealing with sewage plants and roads might not be that enticing to him.

Given his global profile, some high-profile leadership of a major international institution might be plausible - but I can't quite think of what - NATO? Don't they usually go for a non-American?

I couldn't imagine him going back to the Senate - he left partly because he was frustrated with its pace.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on April 13, 2009, 09:14:18 PM
He would be, and he would be an interesting counterpoint to Justice Thomas.  One Justice who could speak eloquently from the bench, and another who doesn't speak.

He's also a fair deal smarter than Justice Thomas.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Fine...I Made This More Civil on May 20, 2009, 06:25:51 PM
If Mrs. Clinton had won, then Bush and Cheaney should have resigned before the end of their term as to make Pelosi the firs female President, just to annoy the Democrats.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on May 20, 2009, 08:18:17 PM
If Mrs. Clinton had won, then Bush and Cheaney should have resigned before the end of their term as to make Pelosi the firs female President, just to annoy the Democrats.

Since she'd have to give up her seat in the House, I can't see Pelosi accepting the Presidency for just a few weeks.  If that had happened, we'd have ended up with either President Byrd or President Rice.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Nym90 on May 27, 2009, 01:46:55 AM
At the end of their term... why the hell not?

In a midterm though... now that would be fun!

Well, if they lost, they'd just stay on as President of course. Yeah, it'd be amusing having the guy who just beat the President in the Senate race trying to defeat his economic program.

Come to think of it, would be an interesting list....Presidents who lost Congressional races to a member of Congress who was still in office while they were President. Bush 41 was President while Bentsen was in the Senate. That's the only one I can think of off the top of my head.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: jimrtex on June 05, 2009, 02:19:52 PM
If Mrs. Clinton had won, then Bush and Cheaney should have resigned before the end of their term as to make Pelosi the firs female President, just to annoy the Democrats.

Since she'd have to give up her seat in the House, I can't see Pelosi accepting the Presidency for just a few weeks.  If that had happened, we'd have ended up with either President Byrd or President Rice.
If Bush and Cheney had resigned before Jan 3, she could simply have waited to take her oath of office for her new term after January 20.  Or if after January 3, she could have run in the special election.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on June 05, 2009, 05:29:55 PM
If Mrs. Clinton had won, then Bush and Cheaney should have resigned before the end of their term as to make Pelosi the firs female President, just to annoy the Democrats.

Since she'd have to give up her seat in the House, I can't see Pelosi accepting the Presidency for just a few weeks.  If that had happened, we'd have ended up with either President Byrd or President Rice.
If Bush and Cheney had resigned before Jan 3, she could simply have waited to take her oath of office for her new term after January 20.  Or if after January 3, she could have run in the special election.

While Pelosi would likely be able to get her House seat back, I'd be less sanguine about her getting the Speakership back.  She might have done so if Bush and Cheney had left office legitimately, but not under what would be a political stunt.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Fine...I Made This More Civil on June 17, 2009, 01:46:50 AM
If Mrs. Clinton had won, then Bush and Cheaney should have resigned before the end of their term as to make Pelosi the firs female President, just to annoy the Democrats.

I repeat this.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Barnes on July 04, 2009, 01:34:13 PM
Assume that in 2000 Bill Clinton run for Congress while being President. Had he won, should he resigned the Presidency while new Congress convenced (January 3, 2001), or can he wait until end of his term (January 20)?

As I remember Jay Rockefeller, elected to the Senate in 1985, took his seat later than other freshmen.

He would have to resign by Jan. 3 of before.  It is illegal for anyone to work in two branches of governemnt at the same time.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 05, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
Yes I know. Thats, for example, why Speaker of the House or Senate pro tem would need to resign in order to become Acting President.

But Clinton can postpone his inuguration as Senator?


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 07, 2009, 02:02:43 PM
Yes I know. Thats, for example, why Speaker of the House or Senate pro tem would need to resign in order to become Acting President.

But Clinton can postpone his inuguration as Senator?

Yes.


Title: Re: Presidential Resignation?
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 11, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
Yes, there were regulary elected Senators inaugurated later, for example Mark Hatfield, David B. Hill or mentioned Jay Rockefeller