Title: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 25, 2008, 04:53:52 PM I say,
1. Lincoln 2. Washington 3. FDR 4. Reagan 5. Eisenhower 6. TR 7. Truman 8. Clinton 9. Wilson 10. Jackson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: DownWithTheLeft on November 25, 2008, 05:46:50 PM 1. Lincoln 3. FDR 8. Clinton Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 25, 2008, 05:57:04 PM 1. George Washington (Federalist, 1789-1797)
2. Abraham Lincoln (Republican, 1861-1865) 3. Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat, 1933-1945) 4. Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican, 1801-1809) 5. Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, 1901-1909) 6. Woodrow Wilson (Democrat, 1913-1921) 7. Harry S. Truman (Democrat, 1945-1953) 8. Andrew Jackson (Democrat, 1829-1837) 9. James K. Polk (Democrat, 1845-1849) 10. Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican, 1953-1961) Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: PBrunsel on November 25, 2008, 06:21:17 PM 1. William McKinley
2. Chester A. Arthur 3. Abraham Lincoln 4. Grover Cleveland 5. Calvin Coolidge 6. James Monroe 7. Herbert Hoover 8. Rutherford Hayes 9. Martin Van Buren 10. Ronald Reagan Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Dr. Cynic on November 25, 2008, 11:18:16 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Thomas Jefferson 6. James K. Polk 7. Harry S Truman 8. Dwight Eisenhower 9. Bill Clinton 10. John Adams Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: WillK on November 26, 2008, 10:06:45 AM 1. Washington
2. Lincoln 3. F. Roosevelt 4. T. Roosevelt 5. Eisenhower 6. Monroe 7. McKinley 8. Clinton 9. Grant 10. ___ [Saving a spot for Obama. LOL] Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: ?????????? on November 26, 2008, 10:49:00 AM 1. Lincoln 3. FDR 8. Clinton Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Dr. Cynic on November 26, 2008, 03:45:40 PM 1. Lincoln 3. FDR 8. Clinton Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though. Too bad Jefferson Davis didn't get one, too. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: SPC on November 26, 2008, 05:50:01 PM 1. Cleveland
2. Van Buren 3. Coolidge 4. Harding 5. Pierce 6. Jackson 7. Jefferson 8. Tyler 9. Buchanan 10. W.H. Harrison Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: The Dowager Mod on November 26, 2008, 05:52:16 PM Adams
Jefferson Davis Cleveland Roosevelt Wilson Roosevelt Truman Johnson Nixon Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Rob on November 26, 2008, 09:08:25 PM In no particular order:
Abraham Lincoln Franklin Roosevelt Lyndon Johnson Ulysses Grant William Henry Harrison John Quincy Adams John Kennedy William Howard Taft Warren Harding James Madison Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on November 26, 2008, 09:25:05 PM Ulysses Grant William Henry Harrison William Howard Taft Warren Harding Interesting picks. Why? Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: dead0man on November 27, 2008, 01:33:42 AM Teddy
Washington The rest suck Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on November 27, 2008, 02:59:47 AM Ulysses Grant William Henry Harrison William Howard Taft Warren Harding Interesting picks. Why? Indeed, very interesting selections. Why on earth is William Henry Harrison there? Who knows Harrison might be in Rob's list primarily due to his premature death a month after his inauguration in March of 1841. Just thinking out aloud folks. On a completely different matter, glad to see hardly any lists with Reagan in them ;D Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 27, 2008, 08:10:50 AM 1. Abraham Lincoln (extremely talented... but also very lucky)
2. George Washington (excellent executive) 3. Thomas Jefferson 4. Franklin Roosevelt 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Dwight D. Eisenhower 7. James Monroe 8. Woodrow Wilson 9. John Adams (really underappreciated) 10. John F. Kennedy Could theoretically be on the list - but such extreme positive/negatives - Lyndon B. Johnson - Great Society v Vietnam - Richard Nixon - EPA, Detente v PARANOID WIT and abuse of his power - Harry Truman - I just like him. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: The Populist on November 27, 2008, 11:40:26 AM 1. George Washington (NP-VA)
2. Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-NY) 3. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 4. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY) 5. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 7. Harry S. Truman (D-MO) 8. Chester A. Arthur (R-NY) 9. James K. Polk (D-TN) 10. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS) Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: DownWithTheLeft on November 27, 2008, 02:27:34 PM Jefferson
Reagan Harding Nixon Jackson JFK Truman Cleveland Polk Fillmore Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Rob on November 29, 2008, 04:11:13 PM Interesting picks. Why? Bear in mind this was a very tough list for me, just because there haven't been many "good" presidents. I'd go so far as to say that only two presidents- Lincoln and Roosevelt- had a net positive effect on the country. The rest on this list are the "least bad," if you know what I mean. Anyhoo, in a nutshell... Ulysses Grant: Support for civil rights William Henry Harrison: Died before he could screw up (and seemed like a decent fellow) William Howard Taft: Most progressive president between Grant and FDR. Unlike his lunatic predecessor, he actually fought the big trusts Warren Harding: Pardoned scores of political prisoners (including Debs :)), oversaw perhaps the greatest per-capita decimation of the military budget in US history; and I have a soft spot for our first black president ;) Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: WillK on November 30, 2008, 03:24:08 PM Why is Jefferson #1???
1. Thomas Jefferson (D-R) 2. George Washington 3. Abraham Lincoln (R) 4. Calvin Coolidge (R) 5. Grover Cleveland (D) 6. Richard Nixon (R) 7. James Monroe (D-R) 8. Andrew Jackson (D) 9. Martin Van Buren (D) 10. Ronald Reagan (R) Something like that. Honorable mentions to T. Roosevelt, Polk, and Ford. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: WillK on December 01, 2008, 01:08:23 AM Interesting picks. Why? Harding doesn't make my top 10 (death & scandals hold him back), but he be in my top 20. He brought peace, freedom & prosperity after the war, repression, recession & riots of Wilson. He ended Wilson's segregation of federal offices & supporting anti-lynching legislation He reduced taxes and reducing the government control of businesses instituted in the Wilson years He appointed Taft, and others, to the SC He pushed through the Budget & Accounting Act which created the more systematic federal budgeting system we are accustomed to today. He brought about the Washington Naval Agreement which was an impressive naval arms control agreement He signed peace treaties with Germany and Austria, which replaced Wlson's failed Treaty of Versailles. He dealt successfully with Labor and Business regarding strikes and work conditions in the steel industry He established the VA Some strong Cabinet choices -- Hughes, Hoover, Mellon, Wallace, Davis, Weeks -- But also some bad ones -- Denby, Fall, Daugherty Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:06:54 PM 1. Lincoln 3. FDR 8. Clinton Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though. I think we're all glad Andrew Johnson got to be President. Good plan, "the South"! Anyway, my list goes: 1. Lincoln 2. Washington 3. FDR 4. Jefferson 5. Truman 6. T. Roosevelt 7. Monroe 8. Eisenhower 9. Reagan 10. Nixon Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: ?????????? on December 06, 2008, 08:10:30 PM A fiscal conservative with FDR at #3 ? lol
Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:18:59 PM Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"...
FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: ?????????? on December 06, 2008, 08:20:11 PM Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"... FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy. So effective the court had to step in and stop him. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:22:16 PM Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"... FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy. So effective the court had to step in and stop him. And he almost got around that, too. You haven't addressed my Andrew Johnson statement. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: frihetsivrare on December 10, 2008, 02:34:50 AM George Washington
Thomas Jefferson Calvin Coolige Andrew Jackson Dwight Eisenhower John Kennedy James Madison John Adams Franklin Pierce Millard Filmore For 9 and 10 I simply thought of some random presidents. I don't like any of the 20th Century presidents except the ones I mentioned. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 10, 2008, 11:32:06 AM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Large Gap 2. Theodore Roosevelt 3. Thomas Jefferson 4. Abraham Lincoln 5. Dwight Eisenhower 6. George Washington 7. James K. Polk 8. James Monroe 9. Chester A. Arthur 10. Harry Truman Honorable mentions to Presidents that did great things but were undone by horrible sins: Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 13, 2008, 11:34:10 AM #1-Roosevelt (#2)
#2-Nixon #3-Clinton #4-Jefferson #5-Lincoln #6-Grant #7-Washington #8-Johnson (#1) #9-Roosevelt (#2) #10-Taft Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Neinrein on December 18, 2008, 09:49:20 PM 1. Washington
2. Jefferson 3. Jackson 4. F. Roosevelt 5. Monroe 6. Wilson 7. Reagan 8. Eisenhower 9. Truman 10. Cleveland Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Neinrein on December 19, 2008, 02:03:45 AM 1. Washington 2. Jefferson 3. Jackson 4. F. Roosevelt 5. Monroe 6. Wilson 7. Reagan 8. Eisenhower 9. Truman 10. Cleveland Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson ??? Now I'm confused. I thought you would only have voted for him out of partisan loyalty. Are you aware of his record and status as The Bourbon Democrat? He appointed Southerners to his cabinet, and he managed the economy fairly well. Main thing I judge a president by is how well the country does and in the case of Cleveland, Cleveland has to be there because he served as a counterweight to the "wave the bloody shirt" tactics of the party of Lincoln, because in those days, every Republican campaign consisted of demonizing the South, continued that way until the Dunning school took precedence Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Scam of God on December 19, 2008, 02:37:57 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt 6. Lyndon Baines Johnson 7. Harry Truman 9. William McKinley 10. Andrew Jackson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: WillK on December 19, 2008, 08:47:43 AM Id enjoy hearing why so many people rank Jefferson so high.
What criteria do yo apply that leads to that result? Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 19, 2008, 01:52:34 PM 1. Washington 2. Jefferson 3. Jackson 4. F. Roosevelt 5. Monroe 6. Wilson 7. Reagan 8. Eisenhower 9. Truman 10. Cleveland Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson ??? Now I'm confused. I thought you would only have voted for him out of partisan loyalty. Are you aware of his record and status as The Bourbon Democrat? He appointed Southerners to his cabinet, and he managed the economy fairly well. Main thing I judge a president by is how well the country does and in the case of Cleveland, Cleveland has to be there because he served as a counterweight to the "wave the bloody shirt" tactics of the party of Lincoln, because in those days, every Republican campaign consisted of demonizing the South, continued that way until the Dunning school took precedence Is that really an issue for you? My god. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Beet on December 19, 2008, 02:12:42 PM Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia.
Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Scam of God on December 19, 2008, 02:28:26 PM Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia. No, you're just a whining Clintonista. Thank God that Obama's transition has gone far more smoothly than Bill's insistence on appointing posts based on token demographies. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: DownWithTheLeft on December 19, 2008, 09:45:57 PM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Scam of God on December 21, 2008, 01:29:47 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: SPC on December 21, 2008, 02:01:50 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists. capitalism =/ corporatism Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Scam of God on December 21, 2008, 02:19:55 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists. capitalism =/ corporatism For the past fifty years, it has. And Jefferson was fond of the Levelers and Diggers and other such groups from Britain's past. He was no friend to modern libertarians. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: WillK on December 21, 2008, 08:29:23 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists. capitalism =/ corporatism For the past fifty years, it has. And Jefferson was fond of the Levelers and Diggers and other such groups from Britain's past. He was no friend to modern libertarians. As Historian Forrest Macdonald put it, "Jefferson conducted a fifteen-month reign of oppression and repression that was unprecedented in American history." Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Cylon Candidate on December 21, 2008, 03:05:26 PM 1. Truman
2. Lincoln 3. Washington 4. FDR 5. TR 6. Polk 7. JFK 8. Jefferson 9. John Adams 10. Eisenhower Honorable mentions: Clinton, McKinley, and H.W. Bush (in that order). Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Beet on December 21, 2008, 03:12:09 PM Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia. No, you're just a whining Clintonista. Thank God that Obama's transition has gone far more smoothly than Bill's insistence on appointing posts based on token demographies. Edit: Obama did not say this! That actually makes me feel better about him. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Jacobtm on December 22, 2008, 08:34:53 PM I feel like if you value the USA, more or less in it's current incarnation, you have to have Washington, Lincoln and FDR as the top 3, because they actually held the country together at its 3 most vulnerable times in its history. Without these men, the USA as it is now may not exist.
Of course, there are some who wish that the USA was dramatically different than it currently is... () Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: vanguard96 on June 19, 2017, 04:31:27 PM 1. Jefferson
2. Washington 3. Madison 4. Coolidge 5. Cleveland 6. Taft 7. Taylor 8. Tyler 9. Hayes 10. Reagan Hon Mention if not for the Trail of Tears: M Van Buren Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 19, 2017, 05:50:15 PM 1. Lincoln 3. FDR 8. Clinton After all, all Lincoln did was save the union and end the abomination that is slavery. After all, all FDR did was lead the nation out of the great depression and lead the nation to victory through the war. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: OSR stands with Israel on June 19, 2017, 06:09:34 PM 1. Washington
2. Lincoln 3. FDR 4. Jefferson 5. Teddy Roosevelt 6.Truman 7. Eisenhower 8. Reagan 9. Monroe 10. Madison Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: sruchira on June 19, 2017, 06:30:18 PM This is a hard list to make.
1. Teddy Roosevelt 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. Franklin Roosevelt 4. Harry Truman 5. Dwight Eisenhower 6. Thomas Jefferson 7. George Washington 8. Lyndon Johnson 9. James Monroe 10. James Polk Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: RINO Tom on June 19, 2017, 07:02:04 PM Sure, nice bump, LOL. Anywho, I will try to keep this list as truly "the greatest," as in who performed the best in the office to advance the nation and world, even if I might disagree with some of their views.
1. Lincoln (R-IL) 2. Washington (NP-VA) 3. Roosevelt (D-NY) 4. Eisenhower (R-KS) 5. Roosevelt (R-NY) 6. Reagan (R-CA) 7. Jefferson (DR-VA) 8. Truman (D-MO) 9. McKinley (R-OH) 10. Cleveland (D-NY) My favorite, however, would probably be: 1. Lincoln (R-IL) 2. Eisenhower (R-KS) 3. Washington (NP-VA) 4. Madison (DR-VA) 5. Coolidge (R-MA) 6. Reagan (R-CA) 7. Grant (R-IL) 8. McKinley (R-OH) 9. Bush 41 (R-TX) 10. Roosevelt (R-NY) Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: TDAS04 on June 19, 2017, 07:21:58 PM Objectively the Greatest
1. Lincoln (IL) 2. FDR (NY) 3. Washington (VA) 4. Truman (MO) 5. TR (NY) 6. Eisenhower (NY) 7. Obama (IL) 8. Grant (IL) 9. Clinton (AR) 10. Arthur (NY) My personal favorites 1. Lincoln (IL) 2. Grant (IL) 3. Obama (IL) 4. FDR (NY) 5. Washington (VA) 6. Garfield (OH) 7. JQA (MA) 8. Arthur (NY) 9. Carter (GA) 10. Harding (OH) Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: vanguard96 on June 20, 2017, 08:13:06 AM George Washington Thomas Jefferson Calvin Coolige Andrew Jackson Dwight Eisenhower John Kennedy James Madison John Adams Franklin Pierce Millard Filmore For 9 and 10 I simply thought of some random presidents. I don't like any of the 20th Century presidents except the ones I mentioned. Why do you like Andrew Jackson? If you like Coolidge so much (I do too) why not Grover Cleveland? Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Plankton5165 on June 21, 2017, 03:54:45 PM Nobody said either Bush.
Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Wikipedia delenda est on June 21, 2017, 04:36:05 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Lyndon Johnson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Barack Obama 7. Bill Clinton 8. Harry S. Truman 9. John F. Kennedy 10. John Adams Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Kingpoleon on June 21, 2017, 04:54:24 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington 3. James Madison 4. Chester A. Arthur 5. Ulysses Grant 6. Gerald Ford 7. Theodore Roosevelt 8. Bill Clinton 9. Dwight Eisenhower 10. John F. Kennedy 11. Ronald Reagan 12. Franklin D. Roosevelt 13. Harry S. Truman 14. George H. W. Bush 15. Zachary Taylor 16. Martin Van Buren 17. John Quincy Adams 18. John Adams 19. William Howard Taft 20. Grover Cleveland Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 23, 2017, 09:42:39 PM Eisenhower
FDR Lincoln Teddy Roosevelt Lyndon Johnson Obama Truman Clinton Kennedy These are the only presidents I consider great. I like Carter personally but he was a terrible president. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on June 24, 2017, 04:13:51 PM cc-IL Abe Lincoln
S-NY FDR S-MO Truman S-MA JFK P-TX LBJ cc-KS Eisenhower cc-NY Teddy Roosevelt S-IL Obama P-AR Clinton P-VA Wilson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on June 26, 2017, 01:57:43 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Lyndon Johnson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Barack Obama 7. Bill Clinton 8. Harry S. Truman 9. John F. Kennedy 10. John Adams Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: President Johnson on June 27, 2017, 05:44:11 AM Chronological order (the best 10):
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Barack Obama. The most decent presidents as a person: Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Chester A. Arthur, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Yank2133 on July 02, 2017, 12:16:29 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Lyndon Johnson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Barack Obama 7. Bill Clinton 8. Harry S. Truman 9. John F. Kennedy 10. John Adams Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10. Obama is already ranked 12th by historians, after this disaster of the current administration, I wouldn't be shocked if he is top 10. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Higgins on July 18, 2017, 11:55:31 AM 1. Lincoln
2. TR 3. FDR 4. Washington 5. Eisenhower 6. McKinley 7. Grant 8. Clinton 9. Wilson 10. Jackson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: dw93 on July 18, 2017, 12:36:27 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Lyndon Johnson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Barack Obama 7. Bill Clinton 8. Harry S. Truman 9. John F. Kennedy 10. John Adams Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10. Obama is already ranked 12th by historians, after this disaster of the current administration, I wouldn't be shocked if he is top 10. A President's stock can fall overtime. With that said, I do agree that a President's image can be helped if their successor ends up being worse. Bush 43's term playing out the way it did certainly helped Bill Clinton's standing with the public and historians, Nixon and Watergate arguably helped LBJ, and Carter's term arguably helped Ford's standing. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Bismarck on July 18, 2017, 05:38:44 PM 1. Lincoln
2. Washington 3. Teddy Roosevelt 4. Franklin Roosevelt 5. Eisenhower 6. Reagan 7. Truman 8. Jefferson (even though his second term was pretty bad) 9. HW Bush 10. McKinley Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Spamage on July 18, 2017, 08:31:06 PM 1. Lincoln
2. F Roosevelt 3. Washington 4. Jefferson 5. T Roosevelt 6. Eisenhower 7. Wilson 8. Truman 9. Madison 10. Polk Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Senator-elect Spark on July 22, 2017, 08:51:01 PM 1. Lincoln
2. Reagan 3. Washington 4. Jefferson 5. FDR 6. T. Roosevelt 7. JFK 8. Truman 9. Eisenhower 10. McKinley Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Earthling on July 30, 2017, 09:42:11 AM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Lyndon B. Johnson 7. Harry S. Truman 8. Dwight D. Eisenhower 9. Woodrow Wilson 10. James Polk 11. John Adams 12. Andrew Jackson 13. James Madison 14. John F. Kennedy 15. Barack Obama 16. James McKinley 17. Ronald Reagan 18. Bill Clinton 19. Ulysses S. Grant 20. George H. W. Bush 21. Willam Howard Taft 22. Grover Cleveland 23. Zachary Taylor 24. John Quincy Adams 25. James Monroe 26. Jimmy Carter 27. Gerald Ford 28. Chester A. Arthur 29. Rutherford B. Hayes 30. Richard Nixon 31. Martin van Buren 32. Calvin Coolidge 33. Benjamin Harrison 34. Herbert Hoover 35. George W. Bush 36. John Tyler 37. Millard Fillmore 38. Franklin Pierce 39. Donald Trump 40. Warren Harding 41. James Buchanan 42. Andrew Johnson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: jmsstnyng on August 02, 2017, 08:42:59 PM Listed in chronological order instead of ranking them:
George Washington Thomas Jefferson James K. Polk Abraham Lincoln William McKinley Theodore Roosevelt Franklin D. Roosevelt Harry Truman Dwight Eisenhower John F. Kennedy Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: AppleJackass on August 04, 2017, 09:19:03 AM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Ronald Reagan 3. Theodore Roosevelt 4. George Washington 5. James K Polk 6. Dwight D Eisenhower 7. George HW Bush 8. Ulysses S Grant 9. Andrew Jackson 10. George W Bush Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Sir Mohamed on August 04, 2017, 10:01:23 AM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (best prez ever)
2. Abraham Lincoln 3. Lyndon B. Johnson 4. Barack Obama 5. Harry S. Truman 6. George Washington 7. Theodore Roosevelt 8. Thomas Jefferson 9. John F. Kennedy 10. Dwight D. Eisenhower Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: HisGrace on August 09, 2017, 07:18:19 PM 1. Madison
2. Monroe 3. Jefferson (top three could be in any order) 4. Reagan 5. Eisenhower 6. Hayes 7. Jackson 8. Grant 9. Bush 41 10.Arthur Nobody said either Bush. Fixed. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: MillennialModerate on August 12, 2017, 08:33:34 AM ----------
All-Time greats --------- 1. Abe Lincoln - He saved the country. He held it together. There might not still be a United States south of the Mason-Dixon had it not been for him. 2. Franklin Delanor Roosevelt - Led the nation to victory in WW2, introduced policies that got us out of the Great Depression. New Deal a resounding success. Hard to argue. 3. John F Kennedy - The fact he's even on this list after being in office for (roughly) 3 years is a testament to him. Made Americans feel young again, inspired generations of Americans to give back. The notion of asking what you can do for your country is the most honorable idea a President can convey - His vision created the Peace Core, his vision to put a man on the moon within a decade (thought to be crazy at that time) was incredible and it was accurate. It was JFK who told Americans in the South that Civil rights is a moral issue and Americans in the North to not look down on Southerners and he also said we are not the nation we thought we were until we achieved full equality.... Then there's the Cuban Missile Crisis where his patience and his instinct led him to make the right moves in leading the world back from the brink of a Nuclear war..... at home he had the vision to institute an across the border tax cut, a policy not favored by many in his own party but one he thought in the best interest of the nation, putting country first.... JFK was young, charismatic, attractive, intelligent, vibrant, well spoken and had the overwhelming popularity of a rock star - that's what made an event (that would be tragic in any respect; a presidential assassination) be a flat out catastrophic blow to the nation. But despite his time being cut so short he's still one of the great political figures we've ever had and he accomplished a lot and for that he gets #3 - If he had a full 8 years then he'd be even higher. ------- The rest of the best -------- 4. Thomas Jefferson - First and foremost was a major contributor to the Declaration of Independence. TJ was a master of foreign policy and of course vastly increased the size of the nation. 5. George Washington - Country before self. This man was given the honor of our first Presidency for a reason - he led our military to its ultimate victory and didn't cherish power, as he was wise enough to have the foresight to insist the Presidency be held for two terms at most. 6. Ronald Reagan - Restored faith in America. Staunchly defended freedom around the globe while leading a resurgence of an economy that was in awful shape when he took office. 7. Dwight D. Eisenhower - Very underrated. Strong and stable leadership at home, genuinely acted in the best interest of the nation and not of his party or person interests (for instance, the military industrial complex speech). Introduced infrastructure programs that were pivotal (interstate highway) 8. Woodrow Wilson - In foreign policy he led the nation to victory in World War 1 and domestically he instituted the 8 hour work day, establishing a fair working arrangement for the middle class. Wilson created the Federal Reserve, centralizing national banking. 9. Theodore Roosevelt - TR showed tremendous leadership as President - First leading the country through the assassination of McKinley and in other instances such as coming up with a win win solution to a major coal mining strike. Instituted popular and useful agencies such as the FDA and National Parks Service. One of the biggest accomplishments was his "Square Deal" - balancing an environment that lets business prosper while instituting protections for the middle class. 10. Bill Clinton - Very underrated due to modern political climate, his connections to his unlivable wife and the Lewinsky scandal. But the nation stayed out of major military conflict and the economy BOOMED. In fact, he left behind a SURPLUS (unheard of nowadays). At the same time he instituted reform of welfare, a measure popular with the other side of the aisle. ------------- The best of the rest ----------- 11. John Adams 12. Harry Truman - Most of Truman's domestic policy would be considered so-so, as congress got involved the way of a lot of his programs; but all that is overshadowed by his decision to drop the bomb and save countless American lives that would've been lost in an invasion of Japan, it was a brave and courageous decision and one of the more critical ones made by a commander in chief. 13. Andrew Jackson 14. James Madison 15. Barack Obama - His election itself was a stirring moment for the nation. Once in office he improved our standing in the world and passed a landmark health care bill at home. But truthfully his full potential was stifled due to a congress that simply refused to work with him at any point. 16. George H. W. Bush - underrated in my opinion. Done in by GOP fatigue and a struggling economy but he handled Iraq far better than his son did and strategic approach to not provoking Russia by gloating over collapse of USSR is a vastly underrated move. 17. James McKinley 18. John Quincy Adams - Underarated in my opinion, his clout while in office was probably done in by the controversial manner in which the election was decided. 19. James Polk - A strong pre-civil war leader who did what he said he'd do - accomplishing every major goal set out during his campaign. Polk was a strong President, leading the nation to victory in the Mexican-American war. Polk presided over a vast expansion of the nation including of Texas and California. He only ran & served one term as he promised he would. Of everyone on this list he is most underrated with his accomplishments understated. In fact of all the successful Presidents, he's least known. -------- Middle of the pack -------- 20. Grover Cleveland 21. William Taft 22. Lyndon Johnson - LBJ is mostly done in by Vietnam because domestically he was a brilliant President. LBJ's Great society was a success in so many ways including Civil Rights, Medicare, Medicaid and many federal education intitiatives. By the exaggeration of the gulf of Tonkin and the subsequent Vietnam war were as bad as it gets as far as foreign policy disasters go, substantially weakening LBJ's place on the list but frankly he should have never been President. 23. James Monroe 24. Gerald Ford - felt more like an interim President. Nothing stood out either positive or negative. 25. Chester A. Arthur 26. Rutherford B. Hayes 27. Richard Nixon - He's this low because of Watergate for the most part - not that it happened persay but that it took over two years of his Presidency where he got little done. For the first 4 years however he was a good President, most notably taking that trip to open up China. ------- Mediocre... at best ------- 28. Martin van Buren 29. George W. Bush - History will remember him better than he is looked at currently. That's not to say there wasn't a lot left to be desired: Going into Iraq was a total disaster, one that cost way too much American blood. and treasure and hasn't resulted in much of anything aside from Sadamm's removal. Then on the economy, it was stagnant for all 8 years , when he had inherited a booming economy initially - and worst of all was presiding over the economic crisis toward the end of his term - Now at the same time I don't think he gets enough credit for his brilliant leadership in the days following 9/11. 30. Ulysses S. Grant 31. Calvin Coolidge 32. Benjamin Harrison ------- "Bad, really bad. Like not good" ------- 33. Zachary Taylor 34. Jimmy Carter - A really terrific person with honest intentions.. but to be honest he was miserable as a President. The economy constantly sputtered under his tenure and America was made to look weak on the international stage numerous times including most notably the Iran hostage crisis. He was consistently at odds with his own party in congress as well as the opposition party. Worst of all Americans confidence in America was shaky during his term. 35. John Tyler 36. Millard Fillmore 37. Franklin Pierce 38. Warren Harding ------- "Total disasters" ------ 39. Herbert Hoover - His wretched economic policies in the face of the Great Depression were inexcusable 40. Donald Trump - NOT a reactionary opinion in anyway. Policies are bad, his working relationship with a congress (which is controlled by his party) is dreadful. He literally has embarrassed us as a nation and has lowered the dignity of the office. DJT has intentionally sought to divide people while appealing to their lowest common denominator. He shamelessly thrusts his personal interests into the spotlight at the expense of the national interest. And all this is without even factoring in theres a real chance he colluded with our biggest international foe. He reminds everyone of the symbol of his party, the circus elephant. 41. Andrew Johnson - His racial intolerant policies which protested every inherent rights of African Americans were simply disgusting. The ways in which he advocated for Southern States to skirt the rules of racial equality that had just been victorious in the war, were not only unbecoming of a President but risked reverting the nation back into battle. 42. James Buchanan - A complete indifference to the approaching civil war is mind blowing. He literally could have been the President who lost the country, don't get much worse than that ***Harrison and Garfield not on list due to extremely short term in office Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Don Vito Corleone on August 12, 2017, 07:47:34 PM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. John F. Kennedy 5. Harry Truman 6. Lyndon Johnson 7. Theodore Roosevelt 8. Dwight Eisenhower 9. Gerald Ford 10. Bill Clinton Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: ScottieF on August 13, 2017, 11:09:53 PM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Lyndon B. Johnson 6. Harry S. Truman 7. Dwight D. Eisenhower 8. Barack Obama 9. Thomas Jefferson 10. John F. Kennedy Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Kleine Scheiße on August 14, 2017, 11:35:05 AM Greatest (effective, moral, "presidential", and consequential in historical context)
1. Abraham Lincoln 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. Dwight Eisenhower 4. Lyndon B. Johnson 5. Harry Truman 6. George Washington 7. John F. Kennedy 8. Calvin Coolidge 9. Theodore Roosevelt 10. Gerald Ford Personal favorites (subjective, not necessarily based on politics) 1. Dwight Eisenhower 2. Jimmy Carter 3. Chester A. Arthur 4. Harry Truman 5. Grover Cleveland 6. John Quincy Adams 7. William Howard Taft 8. Lyndon B. Johnson 9. John F. Kennedy 10. Warren G. Harding Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: smoltchanov on August 16, 2017, 05:05:19 AM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (best prez ever) 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. Lyndon B. Johnson 4. Barack Obama 5. Harry S. Truman 6. George Washington 7. Theodore Roosevelt 8. Thomas Jefferson 9. John F. Kennedy 10. Dwight D. Eisenhower Minus Obama and it could be my list.. Though Jefferson would be 3rd or 4th... Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Jon698 on January 27, 2018, 11:20:05 PM 1. James K. Polk
2. Chester A. Arthur 3. Theodore Roosevelt 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. John Q. Adams 6. Andrew Jackson 7. Franklin D. Roosevelt 8. George H. W. Bush 9. Lyndon B. Johnson 10. Ronald Reagan Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Orser67 on January 28, 2018, 12:03:06 AM Great: Washington, Lincoln, FDR
Very good: T. Roosevelt, Wilson, LBJ Good: Adams I, Monroe, Truman, Obama Ok/mixed: Jefferson, Polk, Taylor, Grant, Harrison II, McKinley, Eisenhower, JFK, Ford, Bush I, Clinton Mediocre: Madison, Adams II, Fillmore, Hayes, Arthur, Taft, Hoover Harmful: Jackson, Van Buren, Cleveland, Harding, Coolidge, Carter, Reagan, Bush II Very harmful: Tyler, Pierce, Buchanan, A. Johnson, Nixon Not rated: Harrison I, Garfield, Trump Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: hokey398 on March 14, 2018, 04:13:53 PM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. FDR 3. George Washington 4. Thomas Jefferson 5. Ronald Reagan 6. JFK 7. Dwight Eisenhower 8. Bill Clinton 9. Theodore Roosevelt 10. Andrew Jackson Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Del Tachi on March 14, 2018, 06:18:17 PM 1) Lincoln
2) Washington 3) Jefferson 4) FDR 5) Jackson 6) Madison 7) LBJ 8) Eisenhower 9) Roosevelt 10) Monroe Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: LastMcGovernite on March 15, 2018, 03:02:03 AM I'll take a stab at it:
1. Abraham Lincoln 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt 3. George Washington 4. Theodore Roosevelt 5. Harry Truman 6. Barack Obama 7. Lyndon B. Johnson 8. John Adams 9. George H. W. Bush 10. James Monroe Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: America Needs R'hllor on March 15, 2018, 04:01:38 AM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Dwight D. Eisenhower 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Harry Truman 7. Woodrow Wilson 8. James Monroe 9. Thomas Jefferson 10. Barack Obama Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: RINO Tom on March 15, 2018, 09:52:17 AM Just for fun, here were the results of a 2017 C-SPAN Presidential historian survey, per Wikipedia:
1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 2. George Washington (I-VA) 3. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 4. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 5. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS) 6. Harry Truman (D-MO) 7. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 8. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 9. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 10. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) Other than a few hot takes here and there, it is pretty similar to a lot of lists here. Here was the same list from 2000: 1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 3. George Washington (I-VA) 4. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 5. Harry Truman (D-MO) 6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) 7. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 8. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) 9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS) 10. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) And 1990 from Siena: 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 2. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 4. George Washington (I-VA) 5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) 7. Harry Truman (D-MO) 8. James Madison (DR-VA) 9. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 10. John F. Kennedy (D-MA) And one more! This one is old (1982), but it broke it down by liberal and conservative historians, which is interesting: Liberals 1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 2. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 3. George Washington (I-VA) 4. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) 7. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 8. Harry Truman (D-MO) 9. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX) 19. John Adams (F-MA) Conservatives 1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) 2. George Washington (I-VA) 3. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) 4. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA) 5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY) 6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN) 7. Harry Truman (D-MO) 8. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ) 9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS) 10. John Adams (F-MA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States#Siena_College_Research_Institute,_Presidential_Expert_Poll_of_2010 Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗 on March 15, 2018, 11:34:34 AM 1. Franklin D. Roosevelt 2. Abraham Lincoln 3. George Washington 4. Dwight D. Eisenhower 5. Theodore Roosevelt 6. Harry Truman 7. Woodrow Wilson 8. James Monroe 9. Thomas Jefferson 10. Barack Obama Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: SWE on March 19, 2018, 05:35:30 PM Lincoln
Grant FDR JQA Washington Taylor Arthur Jefferson Taft Truman Harding Ford Carter Adams Roosevelt Cleveland Harrison Coolidge HW Bush Obama Hoover Clinton LBJ MVB Monroe JFK Tyler Eisenhower Trump Madison Fillmore McKinley Pierce Wilson Jackson Hayes Reagan Buchanan Bush Johnson Polk Nixon Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: Fuzzy Bear on March 21, 2018, 10:20:03 PM George Washington
Abraham Lincoln Franklin D. Roosevelt Theodore Roosevelt Harry S. Truman Dwight D. Eisenhower Thomas Jefferson Andrew Jackson Ronald Reagan Lyndon B. Johnson Had LBJ not plunged us into Vietnam, I'd have rated him higher. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: MassTerp94 on April 02, 2018, 10:32:01 AM 1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington 3. Theodore Roosevelt 4. John Fitzgerald Kennedy 5. Harry S Truman 6. Franklin Delano Roosevelt 7. Thomas Jefferson 8. James Knox Polk 9. Dwight David Eisenhower 10. James Monroe Honorable Mentions: Thomas Woodrow Wilson Lyndon Baines Johnson Barack Hussein Obama Top 10 Worst: 10. Martin Van Buren 9. Ulysses Simpson Grant 8. George W. Bush 7. John Tyler 6. Millard Fillmore 5. Calvin Coolidge 4. Herbert Clark Hoover 3. Warren Gamaliel Harding 2. Franklin Pierce 1. James Buchanan "Honorable" Mentions: Andrew Jackson Stephen Grover Cleveland James Earl Carter, Jr. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: HillGoose on April 02, 2018, 11:46:37 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Herbert Hoover 3. George W Bush 4. George HW Bush 5. Ronald Reagan 6. James Polk 7. James Madison 8. George Washington 9. Richard Nixon 10. Dwight Eisenhower Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: MassTerp94 on April 02, 2018, 11:52:06 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Herbert Hoover 3. George W Bush 4. George HW Bush 5. Ronald Reagan 6. James Polk 7. James Madison 8. George Washington 9. Richard Nixon 10. Dwight Eisenhower Herbert Hoover? You've got to be kidding me. Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: HillGoose on April 02, 2018, 11:58:58 AM 1. Thomas Jefferson 2. Herbert Hoover 3. George W Bush 4. George HW Bush 5. Ronald Reagan 6. James Polk 7. James Madison 8. George Washington 9. Richard Nixon 10. Dwight Eisenhower Herbert Hoover? You've got to be kidding me. he's been done wrong by history, i feel for him Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents Post by: °Leprechaun on April 02, 2018, 02:08:01 PM A lot of you voted for slave owners. :(
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