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Title: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Psychic Octopus on November 25, 2008, 04:53:52 PM
I say,

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Reagan
5. Eisenhower
6. TR
7. Truman
8. Clinton
9. Wilson
10. Jackson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on November 25, 2008, 05:46:50 PM
LOL at any of these guys approaching the Top 10


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on November 25, 2008, 05:57:04 PM
1.   George Washington (Federalist, 1789-1797)
2.   Abraham Lincoln (Republican, 1861-1865)
3.   Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat, 1933-1945)
4.   Thomas Jefferson (Democratic-Republican, 1801-1809)
5.   Theodore Roosevelt (Republican, 1901-1909)
6.   Woodrow Wilson (Democrat, 1913-1921)
7.   Harry S. Truman (Democrat, 1945-1953)
8.   Andrew Jackson (Democrat, 1829-1837)
9.   James K. Polk (Democrat, 1845-1849)
10.   Dwight D. Eisenhower (Republican, 1953-1961)


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: PBrunsel on November 25, 2008, 06:21:17 PM
1. William McKinley
2. Chester A. Arthur
3. Abraham Lincoln
4. Grover Cleveland
5. Calvin Coolidge
6. James Monroe
7. Herbert Hoover
8. Rutherford Hayes
9. Martin Van Buren
10. Ronald Reagan


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Dr. Cynic on November 25, 2008, 11:18:16 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Thomas Jefferson
6. James K. Polk
7. Harry S Truman
8. Dwight Eisenhower
9. Bill Clinton
10. John Adams


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: WillK on November 26, 2008, 10:06:45 AM
1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. F. Roosevelt
4. T. Roosevelt
5. Eisenhower
6. Monroe
7. McKinley
8. Clinton
9. Grant
10. ___   [Saving a spot for Obama.  LOL]



Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: ?????????? on November 26, 2008, 10:49:00 AM


Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Dr. Cynic on November 26, 2008, 03:45:40 PM


Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though.

Too bad Jefferson Davis didn't get one, too.



Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: SPC on November 26, 2008, 05:50:01 PM
1. Cleveland
2. Van Buren
3. Coolidge
4. Harding
5. Pierce
6. Jackson
7. Jefferson
8. Tyler
9. Buchanan
10. W.H. Harrison


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: The Dowager Mod on November 26, 2008, 05:52:16 PM
Adams
Jefferson
Davis
Cleveland
Roosevelt
Wilson
Roosevelt
Truman
Johnson
Nixon


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Rob on November 26, 2008, 09:08:25 PM
In no particular order:

Abraham Lincoln
Franklin Roosevelt
Lyndon Johnson
Ulysses Grant
William Henry Harrison
John Quincy Adams
John Kennedy
William Howard Taft
Warren Harding
James Madison


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on November 26, 2008, 09:25:05 PM
Ulysses Grant
William Henry Harrison
William Howard Taft
Warren Harding

Interesting picks. Why?


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: dead0man on November 27, 2008, 01:33:42 AM
Teddy
Washington

The rest suck


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on November 27, 2008, 02:59:47 AM
Ulysses Grant
William Henry Harrison
William Howard Taft
Warren Harding

Interesting picks. Why?

Indeed, very interesting selections. Why on earth is William Henry Harrison there? Who knows Harrison might be in Rob's list primarily due to his premature death a month after his inauguration in March of 1841. Just thinking out aloud folks. On a completely different matter, glad to see hardly any lists with Reagan in them ;D


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Fmr President & Senator Polnut on November 27, 2008, 08:10:50 AM
1. Abraham Lincoln (extremely talented... but also very lucky)
2. George Washington (excellent executive)
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Franklin Roosevelt
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Dwight D. Eisenhower
7. James Monroe
8. Woodrow Wilson
9. John Adams (really underappreciated)
10. John F. Kennedy

Could theoretically be on the list - but such extreme positive/negatives
- Lyndon B. Johnson - Great Society v Vietnam
- Richard Nixon - EPA, Detente v PARANOID WIT and abuse of his power
- Harry Truman - I just like him.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: The Populist on November 27, 2008, 11:40:26 AM
1.  George Washington (NP-VA)
2.  Franklin Delano Roosevelt (D-NY)
3.  Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
4.  Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY)
5.  Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
6.  Andrew Jackson (D-TN)
7.  Harry S. Truman (D-MO)
8.  Chester A. Arthur (R-NY)
9.  James K. Polk (D-TN)
10.  Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on November 27, 2008, 02:27:34 PM
Jefferson
Reagan
Harding
Nixon
Jackson
JFK
Truman
Cleveland
Polk
Fillmore


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Rob on November 29, 2008, 04:11:13 PM

Bear in mind this was a very tough list for me, just because there haven't been many "good" presidents. I'd go so far as to say that only two presidents- Lincoln and Roosevelt- had a net positive effect on the country. The rest on this list are the "least bad," if you know what I mean. Anyhoo, in a nutshell...

Ulysses Grant: Support for civil rights
William Henry Harrison: Died before he could screw up (and seemed like a decent fellow)
William Howard Taft: Most progressive president between Grant and FDR. Unlike his lunatic predecessor, he actually fought the big trusts
Warren Harding: Pardoned scores of political prisoners (including Debs :)), oversaw perhaps the greatest per-capita decimation of the military budget in US history; and I have a soft spot for our first black president ;)


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: WillK on November 30, 2008, 03:24:08 PM
Why is Jefferson #1???

1. Thomas Jefferson (D-R)
2. George Washington
3. Abraham Lincoln (R)
4. Calvin Coolidge (R)
5. Grover Cleveland (D)
6. Richard Nixon (R)
7. James Monroe (D-R)
8. Andrew Jackson (D)
9. Martin Van Buren (D)
10. Ronald Reagan (R)

Something like that.  Honorable mentions to T. Roosevelt, Polk, and Ford.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: WillK on December 01, 2008, 01:08:23 AM
Warren Harding: Pardoned scores of political prisoners (including Debs :)), oversaw perhaps the greatest per-capita decimation of the military budget in US history; and I have a soft spot for our first black president ;)

Harding doesn't make my top 10 (death & scandals hold him back), but he be in my top 20.

He brought peace, freedom & prosperity after the war, repression, recession & riots of Wilson.
He ended Wilson's segregation of federal offices & supporting anti-lynching legislation
He reduced taxes and reducing the government control of businesses instituted in the Wilson years
He appointed Taft, and others, to the SC
He pushed through the Budget & Accounting Act which created the more systematic federal budgeting system we are accustomed to today.
He brought about the Washington Naval Agreement which was an impressive naval arms control agreement
He signed peace treaties with Germany and Austria, which replaced Wlson's failed Treaty of Versailles.
He dealt successfully with Labor and Business regarding strikes and work conditions in the steel industry
He established the VA
Some strong Cabinet choices -- Hughes, Hoover, Mellon, Wallace, Davis, Weeks --  But also some bad ones -- Denby, Fall, Daugherty


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:06:54 PM


Yeah, his #1 got a great going away present though.

I think we're all glad Andrew Johnson got to be President. Good plan, "the South"!

Anyway, my list goes:

1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Truman
6. T. Roosevelt
7. Monroe
8. Eisenhower
9. Reagan
10. Nixon


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: ?????????? on December 06, 2008, 08:10:30 PM
A fiscal conservative with FDR at #3 ? lol


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"...

FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: ?????????? on December 06, 2008, 08:20:11 PM
Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"...

FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy.

So effective the court had to step in and stop him.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 08:22:16 PM
Well, this isn't "Presidents I am most in line with ideologically"...

FDR was an incredibly effective executive in both domestic and foreign policy.

So effective the court had to step in and stop him.

And he almost got around that, too.

You haven't addressed my Andrew Johnson statement.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: frihetsivrare on December 10, 2008, 02:34:50 AM
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Calvin Coolige
Andrew Jackson
Dwight Eisenhower
John Kennedy
James Madison
John Adams
Franklin Pierce
Millard Filmore

For 9 and 10 I simply thought of some random presidents.  I don't like any of the 20th Century presidents except the ones I mentioned.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 10, 2008, 11:32:06 AM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
Large Gap
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. Dwight Eisenhower
6. George Washington
7. James K. Polk
8. James Monroe
9. Chester A. Arthur
10. Harry Truman

Honorable mentions to Presidents that did great things but were undone by horrible sins: Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Frozen Sky Ever Why on December 13, 2008, 11:34:10 AM
#1-Roosevelt (#2)
#2-Nixon
#3-Clinton
#4-Jefferson
#5-Lincoln
#6-Grant
#7-Washington
#8-Johnson (#1)
#9-Roosevelt (#2)
#10-Taft


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Neinrein on December 18, 2008, 09:49:20 PM
1. Washington
2. Jefferson
3. Jackson
4. F. Roosevelt
5. Monroe
6. Wilson
7. Reagan
8. Eisenhower
9. Truman
10. Cleveland

Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Neinrein on December 19, 2008, 02:03:45 AM
1. Washington
2. Jefferson
3. Jackson
4. F. Roosevelt
5. Monroe
6. Wilson
7. Reagan
8. Eisenhower
9. Truman
10. Cleveland

Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson

??? Now I'm confused.  I thought you would only have voted for him out of partisan loyalty.  Are you aware of his record and status as The Bourbon Democrat?

He appointed Southerners to his cabinet, and he managed the economy fairly well. Main thing I judge a president by is how well the country does and in the case of Cleveland, Cleveland has to be there because he served as a counterweight to the "wave the bloody shirt" tactics of the party of Lincoln, because in those days, every Republican campaign consisted of demonizing the South, continued that way until the Dunning school took precedence


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Scam of God on December 19, 2008, 02:37:57 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
6. Lyndon Baines Johnson
7. Harry Truman
9. William McKinley
10. Andrew Jackson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: WillK on December 19, 2008, 08:47:43 AM
Id enjoy hearing why so many people rank Jefferson so high.
 What criteria do yo apply that leads to that result?


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on December 19, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
1. Washington
2. Jefferson
3. Jackson
4. F. Roosevelt
5. Monroe
6. Wilson
7. Reagan
8. Eisenhower
9. Truman
10. Cleveland

Honorable Mention to Clinton and A. Johnson

??? Now I'm confused.  I thought you would only have voted for him out of partisan loyalty.  Are you aware of his record and status as The Bourbon Democrat?

He appointed Southerners to his cabinet, and he managed the economy fairly well. Main thing I judge a president by is how well the country does and in the case of Cleveland, Cleveland has to be there because he served as a counterweight to the "wave the bloody shirt" tactics of the party of Lincoln, because in those days, every Republican campaign consisted of demonizing the South, continued that way until the Dunning school took precedence

Is that really an issue for you? My god.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Beet on December 19, 2008, 02:12:42 PM
Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Scam of God on December 19, 2008, 02:28:26 PM
Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia.

No, you're just a whining Clintonista. Thank God that Obama's transition has gone far more smoothly than Bill's insistence on appointing posts based on token demographies.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: DownWithTheLeft on December 19, 2008, 09:45:57 PM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
What a conflicting list, the biggest lover of freedom at the top but the two biggest haters of it almost in the Top 5


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Scam of God on December 21, 2008, 01:29:47 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
What a conflicting list, the biggest lover of freedom at the top but the two biggest haters of it almost in the Top 5

Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: SPC on December 21, 2008, 02:01:50 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
What a conflicting list, the biggest lover of freedom at the top but the two biggest haters of it almost in the Top 5

Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists.

capitalism =/ corporatism


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Scam of God on December 21, 2008, 02:19:55 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
What a conflicting list, the biggest lover of freedom at the top but the two biggest haters of it almost in the Top 5

Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists.

capitalism =/ corporatism

For the past fifty years, it has. And Jefferson was fond of the Levelers and Diggers and other such groups from Britain's past. He was no friend to modern libertarians.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: WillK on December 21, 2008, 08:29:23 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
What a conflicting list, the biggest lover of freedom at the top but the two biggest haters of it almost in the Top 5

Jefferson was an agrarian and would have loathed American capitalism as it today exists.

capitalism =/ corporatism

For the past fifty years, it has. And Jefferson was fond of the Levelers and Diggers and other such groups from Britain's past. He was no friend to modern libertarians.

As Historian Forrest Macdonald put it, "Jefferson conducted a fifteen-month reign of oppression
and repression that was unprecedented in American history." 


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Cylon Candidate on December 21, 2008, 03:05:26 PM
1. Truman
2. Lincoln
3. Washington
4. FDR
5. TR
6. Polk
7. JFK
8. Jefferson
9. John Adams
10. Eisenhower

Honorable mentions: Clinton, McKinley, and H.W. Bush (in that order).


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Beet on December 21, 2008, 03:12:09 PM
Obama's obsession with comparing himself to Lincoln, "Team of Rivals", Springfield Illinois, the lack of Southerners in his cabinet, all taken together may come off as distasteful (not to mention arrogant). On the other hand he did campaign hard in Virginia and North Carolina, and tried to campaign in Georgia.

No, you're just a whining Clintonista. Thank God that Obama's transition has gone far more smoothly than Bill's insistence on appointing posts based on token demographies.

Obama is the one who said his cabinet would "look like America". One of the reasons Obama's transition has gone smoothly is that he has been advised by so many experienced people who cut their teeth under Clinton.

Edit: Obama did not say this! That actually makes me feel better about him.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Jacobtm on December 22, 2008, 08:34:53 PM
I feel like if you value the USA, more or less in it's current incarnation, you have to have Washington, Lincoln and FDR as the top 3, because they actually held the country together at its 3 most vulnerable times in its history. Without these men, the USA as it is now may not exist.

Of course, there are some who wish that the USA was dramatically different than it currently is...

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Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: vanguard96 on June 19, 2017, 04:31:27 PM
1. Jefferson
2. Washington
3. Madison
4. Coolidge
5. Cleveland
6. Taft
7. Taylor
8. Tyler
9. Hayes
10. Reagan
Hon Mention if not for the Trail of Tears: M Van Buren


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 19, 2017, 05:50:15 PM

After all, all Lincoln did was save the union and end the abomination that is slavery.

After all, all FDR did was lead the nation out of the great depression and lead the nation to victory through the war.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: OSR stands with Israel on June 19, 2017, 06:09:34 PM
1. Washington
2. Lincoln
3. FDR
4. Jefferson
5. Teddy Roosevelt
6.Truman
7. Eisenhower
8. Reagan
9. Monroe
10. Madison


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: sruchira on June 19, 2017, 06:30:18 PM
This is a hard list to make.

1. Teddy Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Franklin Roosevelt
4. Harry Truman
5. Dwight Eisenhower
6. Thomas Jefferson
7. George Washington
8. Lyndon Johnson
9. James Monroe
10. James Polk


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: RINO Tom on June 19, 2017, 07:02:04 PM
Sure, nice bump, LOL.  Anywho, I will try to keep this list as truly "the greatest," as in who performed the best in the office to advance the nation and world, even if I might disagree with some of their views.

1. Lincoln (R-IL)
2. Washington (NP-VA)
3. Roosevelt (D-NY)
4. Eisenhower (R-KS)
5. Roosevelt (R-NY)
6. Reagan (R-CA)
7. Jefferson (DR-VA)
8. Truman (D-MO)
9. McKinley (R-OH)
10. Cleveland (D-NY)

My favorite, however, would probably be:

1. Lincoln (R-IL)
2. Eisenhower (R-KS)
3. Washington (NP-VA)
4. Madison (DR-VA)
5. Coolidge (R-MA)
6. Reagan (R-CA)
7. Grant (R-IL)
8. McKinley (R-OH)
9. Bush 41 (R-TX)
10. Roosevelt (R-NY)


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: TDAS04 on June 19, 2017, 07:21:58 PM
Objectively the Greatest
1. Lincoln (IL)
2. FDR (NY)
3. Washington (VA)
4. Truman (MO)
5. TR (NY)
6. Eisenhower (NY)
7. Obama (IL)
8. Grant (IL)
9. Clinton (AR)
10. Arthur (NY)

My personal favorites
1. Lincoln (IL)
2. Grant (IL)
3. Obama (IL)
4. FDR (NY)
5. Washington (VA)
6. Garfield (OH)
7. JQA (MA)
8. Arthur (NY)
9. Carter (GA)
10. Harding (OH)


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: vanguard96 on June 20, 2017, 08:13:06 AM
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Calvin Coolige
Andrew Jackson
Dwight Eisenhower
John Kennedy
James Madison
John Adams
Franklin Pierce
Millard Filmore

For 9 and 10 I simply thought of some random presidents.  I don't like any of the 20th Century presidents except the ones I mentioned.

Why do you like Andrew Jackson?

If you like Coolidge so much (I do too) why not Grover Cleveland?


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Plankton5165 on June 21, 2017, 03:54:45 PM
Nobody said either Bush.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Wikipedia delenda est on June 21, 2017, 04:36:05 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Barack Obama
7. Bill Clinton
8. Harry S. Truman
9. John F. Kennedy
10. John Adams


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Kingpoleon on June 21, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. James Madison
4. Chester A. Arthur
5. Ulysses Grant
6. Gerald Ford
7. Theodore Roosevelt
8. Bill Clinton
9. Dwight Eisenhower
10. John F. Kennedy

11. Ronald Reagan
12. Franklin D. Roosevelt
13. Harry S. Truman
14. George H. W. Bush
15. Zachary Taylor
16. Martin Van Buren
17. John Quincy Adams
18. John Adams
19. William Howard Taft
20. Grover Cleveland


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Rookie Yinzer on June 23, 2017, 09:42:39 PM
Eisenhower
FDR
Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelt
Lyndon Johnson
Obama
Truman
Clinton
Kennedy

These are the only presidents I consider great. I like Carter personally but he was a terrible president.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers on June 24, 2017, 04:13:51 PM
cc-IL Abe Lincoln
S-NY FDR
S-MO Truman
S-MA JFK
P-TX LBJ

cc-KS Eisenhower
cc-NY Teddy Roosevelt

S-IL Obama
P-AR Clinton
P-VA Wilson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Alabama_Indy10 on June 26, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Barack Obama
7. Bill Clinton
8. Harry S. Truman
9. John F. Kennedy
10. John Adams

Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: President Johnson on June 27, 2017, 05:44:11 AM
Chronological order (the best 10):

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, Dwight D. Eisenhower, John F. Kennedy, Lyndon B. Johnson, Barack Obama.

The most decent presidents as a person: Abraham Lincoln, Rutherford B. Hayes, Chester A. Arthur, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Barack Obama


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Yank2133 on July 02, 2017, 12:16:29 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Barack Obama
7. Bill Clinton
8. Harry S. Truman
9. John F. Kennedy
10. John Adams

Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10.


Obama is already ranked 12th by historians, after this disaster of the current administration, I wouldn't be shocked if he is top 10.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Higgins on July 18, 2017, 11:55:31 AM
1. Lincoln
2. TR
3. FDR
4. Washington
5. Eisenhower
6. McKinley
7. Grant
8. Clinton
9. Wilson
10. Jackson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: dw93 on July 18, 2017, 12:36:27 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Lyndon Johnson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Barack Obama
7. Bill Clinton
8. Harry S. Truman
9. John F. Kennedy
10. John Adams

Obama in the top 10?? Come on now. He wasn't terrible but by no means is he in the top 10.


Obama is already ranked 12th by historians, after this disaster of the current administration, I wouldn't be shocked if he is top 10.

A President's stock can fall overtime. With that said, I do agree that a President's image can be helped if their successor ends up being worse. Bush 43's term playing out the way it did certainly helped Bill Clinton's standing with the public and historians, Nixon and Watergate arguably helped LBJ, and Carter's term arguably helped Ford's standing.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Bismarck on July 18, 2017, 05:38:44 PM
1. Lincoln
2. Washington
3. Teddy Roosevelt
4. Franklin Roosevelt
5. Eisenhower
6. Reagan
7. Truman
8. Jefferson (even though his second term was pretty bad)
9. HW Bush
10. McKinley


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Spamage on July 18, 2017, 08:31:06 PM
1. Lincoln
2. F Roosevelt
3. Washington
4. Jefferson
5. T Roosevelt
6. Eisenhower
7. Wilson
8. Truman
9. Madison
10. Polk


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Senator-elect Spark on July 22, 2017, 08:51:01 PM
1. Lincoln
2. Reagan
3. Washington
4. Jefferson
5. FDR
6. T. Roosevelt
7. JFK
8. Truman
9. Eisenhower
10. McKinley


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Earthling on July 30, 2017, 09:42:11 AM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Lyndon B. Johnson
7. Harry S. Truman
8. Dwight D. Eisenhower
9. Woodrow Wilson
10. James Polk

11. John Adams
12. Andrew Jackson
13. James Madison
14. John F. Kennedy
15. Barack Obama
16. James McKinley
17. Ronald Reagan
18. Bill Clinton
19. Ulysses S. Grant
20. George H. W. Bush

21. Willam Howard Taft
22. Grover Cleveland
23. Zachary Taylor
24. John Quincy Adams
25. James Monroe
26. Jimmy Carter
27. Gerald Ford
28. Chester A. Arthur
29. Rutherford B. Hayes
30. Richard Nixon

31. Martin van Buren
32. Calvin Coolidge
33. Benjamin Harrison
34. Herbert Hoover
35. George W. Bush
36. John Tyler
37. Millard Fillmore
38. Franklin Pierce
39. Donald Trump
40. Warren Harding

41. James Buchanan
42. Andrew Johnson


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: jmsstnyng on August 02, 2017, 08:42:59 PM
Listed in chronological order instead of ranking them:

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James K. Polk
Abraham Lincoln
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
John F. Kennedy


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: AppleJackass on August 04, 2017, 09:19:03 AM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Ronald Reagan
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. George Washington
5. James K Polk
6. Dwight D Eisenhower
7. George HW Bush
8. Ulysses S Grant
9. Andrew Jackson
10. George W Bush


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Sir Mohamed on August 04, 2017, 10:01:23 AM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (best prez ever)
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Lyndon B. Johnson
4. Barack Obama
5. Harry S. Truman
6. George Washington
7. Theodore Roosevelt
8. Thomas Jefferson
9. John F. Kennedy
10. Dwight D. Eisenhower


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: HisGrace on August 09, 2017, 07:18:19 PM
1. Madison
2. Monroe
3. Jefferson (top three could be in any order)
4. Reagan
5. Eisenhower
6. Hayes
7. Jackson
8. Grant
9. Bush 41
10.Arthur


Fixed.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: MillennialModerate on August 12, 2017, 08:33:34 AM
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All-Time greats
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1. ‪Abe Lincoln - He saved the country. He held it together. There might not still be a United States south of the Mason-Dixon had it not been for him.‬


2. ‪Franklin Delanor Roosevelt - Led the nation to victory in WW2, introduced policies that got us out of the Great Depression. New Deal a resounding success. Hard to argue.‬


3. ‪John F Kennedy - The fact he's even on this list after being in office for (roughly) 3 years is a testament to him. Made Americans feel young again, inspired generations of Americans to give back. The notion of asking what you can do for your country is the most honorable idea a President can convey - His vision created the Peace Core, his vision to put a man on the moon within a decade (thought to be crazy at that time) was incredible and it was accurate. It was JFK who told Americans in the South that Civil rights is a moral issue and Americans in the North to not look down on Southerners and he also said we are not the nation we thought we were until we achieved full equality.... Then there's the Cuban Missile Crisis where his patience and his instinct led him to make the right moves in leading the world back from the brink of a Nuclear war..... at home he had the vision to institute an across the border tax cut, a policy not favored by many in his own party but one he thought in the best interest of the nation, putting country first.... ‬JFK was young, charismatic, attractive, intelligent, vibrant, well spoken and had the overwhelming popularity of a rock star - that's what made an event (that would be tragic in any respect; a presidential assassination) be a flat out catastrophic blow to the nation. But despite his time being cut so short he's still one of the great political figures we've ever had and he‪ accomplished a lot and for that he gets #3 - If he had a full 8 years then he'd be even higher.‬

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The rest of the best
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4. ‪‬Thomas Jefferson  ‪‬ - First and foremost was a major contributor to the Declaration of Independence. TJ was a master of foreign policy and of course vastly increased the size of the nation.


5. ‪‬George Washington‪‬ - Country before self. This man was given the honor of our first Presidency for a reason - he led our military to its ultimate victory and didn't cherish power, as he was wise enough to have the foresight to insist the Presidency be held for two terms at most.


6. ‪‬Ronald Reagan‪‬ - Restored faith in America. Staunchly defended freedom around the globe while leading a resurgence of an economy that was in awful shape when he took office.


7. ‪‬Dwight D. Eisenhower ‪‬ - Very underrated. Strong and stable leadership at home, genuinely acted in the best interest of the nation and not of his party or person interests (for instance, the military industrial complex speech). Introduced infrastructure programs that were pivotal (interstate highway)


8. ‪‬Woodrow Wilson‪‬ - In foreign policy he led the nation to victory in World War 1 and domestically he instituted the 8 hour work day, establishing a fair working arrangement for the middle class. Wilson created the Federal Reserve, centralizing national banking.


9. ‪‬Theodore Roosevelt    ‪‬ - TR showed tremendous leadership as President - First leading the country through the assassination of McKinley and in other instances such as coming up with a win win solution to a major coal mining strike. Instituted popular and useful agencies such as the FDA and National Parks Service. One of the biggest accomplishments was his "Square Deal" - balancing an environment that lets business prosper while instituting protections for the middle class.


10. ‪‬Bill Clinton‪‬ - Very underrated due to modern political climate, his connections to his unlivable wife and the Lewinsky scandal. But the nation stayed out of major military conflict and the economy BOOMED. In fact, he left behind a SURPLUS (unheard of nowadays). At the same time he instituted reform of welfare, a measure popular with the other side of the aisle.

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The best of the rest
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11. John Adams

12. Harry Truman - Most of Truman's domestic policy would be considered so-so, as congress got involved the way of a lot of his programs; but all that is overshadowed by his decision to drop the bomb and save countless American lives that would've been lost in an invasion of Japan, it was a brave and courageous decision and one of the more critical ones made by a commander in chief.

13. Andrew Jackson

14. James Madison

15. Barack Obama - His election itself was a stirring moment for the nation. Once in office he improved our standing in the world and passed a landmark health care bill at home. But truthfully his full potential was stifled due to a congress that simply refused to work with him at any point.

16. George H. W. Bush - underrated in my opinion. Done in by GOP fatigue and a struggling economy but he handled Iraq far better than his son did and strategic approach to not provoking Russia by gloating over collapse of USSR is a vastly underrated move.

17. James McKinley

18. John Quincy Adams - Underarated in my opinion, his clout while in office was probably done in by the controversial manner in which the election was decided.

19. James Polk - A strong pre-civil war leader who did what he said he'd do - accomplishing every major goal set out during his campaign. Polk was a strong President, leading the nation to victory in the Mexican-American war. Polk presided over a vast expansion of the nation including of Texas and California. He only ran & served one term as he promised he would. Of everyone on this list he is most underrated with his accomplishments understated. In fact of all the successful Presidents, he's least known.

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Middle of the pack
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20. Grover Cleveland

21. William Taft

22. Lyndon Johnson - LBJ is mostly done in by Vietnam because domestically he was a brilliant President. LBJ's Great society was a success in so many ways including Civil Rights, Medicare, Medicaid and many federal education intitiatives. By the exaggeration of the gulf of Tonkin and the subsequent Vietnam war were as bad as it gets as far as foreign policy disasters go, substantially weakening LBJ's place on the list but frankly he should have never been President.

23. James Monroe

24. Gerald Ford - felt more like an interim President. Nothing stood out either positive or negative.

25. Chester A. Arthur

26. Rutherford B. Hayes

27. Richard Nixon - He's this low because of Watergate for the most part - not that it happened persay but that it took over two years of his Presidency where he got little done. For the first 4 years however he was a good President, most notably taking that trip to open up China.

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Mediocre... at best
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28. Martin van Buren

29. George W. Bush - History will remember him better than he is looked at currently. That's not to say there wasn't a lot left to be desired: Going into Iraq was a total disaster, one that cost way too much American blood. and treasure and hasn't resulted in much of anything aside from Sadamm's removal. Then on the economy, it was stagnant for all 8 years , when he had inherited a booming economy initially - and worst of all was presiding over the economic crisis toward the end of his term - Now at the same time I don't think he gets enough credit for his brilliant leadership in the days following 9/11.

30. Ulysses S. Grant

31. Calvin Coolidge

32. Benjamin Harrison

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"Bad, really bad. Like not good"
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33. Zachary Taylor

34. Jimmy Carter - A really terrific person with honest intentions.. but to be honest he was miserable as a President. The economy constantly sputtered under his tenure and America was made to look weak on the international stage numerous times including most notably the Iran hostage crisis. He was consistently at odds with his own party in congress as well as the opposition party. Worst of all Americans confidence in America was shaky during his term.

35. John Tyler

36. Millard Fillmore

37. Franklin Pierce

38. Warren Harding

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"Total disasters"
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39. Herbert Hoover - His wretched economic policies in the face of the Great Depression were inexcusable

40. Donald Trump - NOT a reactionary opinion in anyway. Policies are bad, his working relationship with a congress (which is controlled by his party) is dreadful. He literally has embarrassed us as a nation and has lowered the dignity of the office. DJT has intentionally sought to divide people while appealing to their lowest common denominator. He shamelessly thrusts his personal interests into the spotlight at the expense of the national interest. And all this is without even factoring in theres a real chance he colluded with our biggest international foe. He reminds everyone of the symbol of his party, the circus elephant.

41. Andrew Johnson - His racial intolerant policies which protested every inherent rights of African Americans were simply disgusting. The ways in which he advocated for Southern States to skirt the rules of racial equality that had just been victorious in the war, were not only unbecoming of a President but risked reverting the nation back into battle.

42. James Buchanan - A complete indifference to the approaching civil war is mind blowing. He literally could have been the President who lost the country, don't get much worse than that

***Harrison and Garfield not on list due to extremely short term in office


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Don Vito Corleone on August 12, 2017, 07:47:34 PM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. John F. Kennedy
5. Harry Truman
6. Lyndon Johnson
7. Theodore Roosevelt
8. Dwight Eisenhower
9. Gerald Ford
10. Bill Clinton


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: ScottieF on August 13, 2017, 11:09:53 PM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Lyndon B. Johnson
6. Harry S. Truman
7. Dwight D. Eisenhower
8. Barack Obama
9. Thomas Jefferson
10. John F. Kennedy


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Kleine Scheiße on August 14, 2017, 11:35:05 AM
Greatest (effective, moral, "presidential", and consequential in historical context)
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. Dwight Eisenhower
4. Lyndon B. Johnson
5. Harry Truman
6. George Washington
7. John F. Kennedy
8. Calvin Coolidge
9. Theodore Roosevelt
10. Gerald Ford

Personal favorites (subjective, not necessarily based on politics)
1. Dwight Eisenhower
2. Jimmy Carter
3. Chester A. Arthur
4. Harry Truman
5. Grover Cleveland
6. John Quincy Adams
7. William Howard Taft
8. Lyndon B. Johnson
9. John F. Kennedy
10. Warren G. Harding


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: smoltchanov on August 16, 2017, 05:05:19 AM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (best prez ever)
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. Lyndon B. Johnson
4. Barack Obama
5. Harry S. Truman
6. George Washington
7. Theodore Roosevelt
8. Thomas Jefferson
9. John F. Kennedy
10. Dwight D. Eisenhower

Minus Obama and it could be my list.. Though Jefferson would be 3rd or 4th...


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Jon698 on January 27, 2018, 11:20:05 PM
1. James K. Polk
2. Chester A. Arthur
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. John Q. Adams
6. Andrew Jackson
7. Franklin D. Roosevelt
8. George H. W. Bush
9. Lyndon B. Johnson
10. Ronald Reagan


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Orser67 on January 28, 2018, 12:03:06 AM
Great: Washington, Lincoln, FDR

Very good: T. Roosevelt, Wilson, LBJ

Good: Adams I, Monroe, Truman, Obama

Ok/mixed: Jefferson, Polk, Taylor, Grant, Harrison II, McKinley, Eisenhower, JFK, Ford, Bush I, Clinton

Mediocre: Madison, Adams II, Fillmore, Hayes, Arthur, Taft, Hoover

Harmful: Jackson, Van Buren, Cleveland, Harding, Coolidge, Carter, Reagan, Bush II

Very harmful: Tyler, Pierce, Buchanan, A. Johnson, Nixon

Not rated: Harrison I, Garfield, Trump


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: hokey398 on March 14, 2018, 04:13:53 PM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. FDR
3. George Washington
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Ronald Reagan
6. JFK
7. Dwight Eisenhower
8. Bill Clinton
9. Theodore Roosevelt
10. Andrew Jackson



Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Del Tachi on March 14, 2018, 06:18:17 PM
1) Lincoln
2) Washington
3) Jefferson
4) FDR
5) Jackson
6) Madison
7) LBJ
8) Eisenhower
9) Roosevelt
10) Monroe


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: LastMcGovernite on March 15, 2018, 03:02:03 AM
I'll take a stab at it:

1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Theodore Roosevelt
5. Harry Truman
6. Barack Obama
7. Lyndon B. Johnson
8. John Adams
9. George H. W. Bush
10. James Monroe


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: America Needs R'hllor on March 15, 2018, 04:01:38 AM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Dwight D. Eisenhower
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Harry Truman
7. Woodrow Wilson
8. James Monroe
9. Thomas Jefferson
10. Barack Obama


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: RINO Tom on March 15, 2018, 09:52:17 AM
Just for fun, here were the results of a 2017 C-SPAN Presidential historian survey, per Wikipedia:

  1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
  2. George Washington (I-VA)
  3. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
  4. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY)
  5. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)
  6. Harry Truman (D-MO)
  7. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
  8. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
  9. Ronald Reagan (R-CA)
10. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)

Other than a few hot takes here and there, it is pretty similar to a lot of lists here.  Here was the same list from 2000:

  1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
  2. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
  3. George Washington (I-VA)
  4. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY)
  5. Harry Truman (D-MO)
  6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)
  7. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
  8. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)
  9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)
10. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)

And 1990 from Siena:

  1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
  2. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
  3. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
  4. George Washington (I-VA)
  5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY)
  6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)
  7. Harry Truman (D-MO)
  8. James Madison (DR-VA)
  9. Andrew Jackson (D-TN)
10. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)

And one more!  This one is old (1982), but it broke it down by liberal and conservative historians, which is interesting:

Liberals
  1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
  2. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
  3. George Washington (I-VA)
  4. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
  5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY)
  6. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)
  7. Andrew Jackson (D-TN)
  8. Harry Truman (D-MO)
  9. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX)
19. John Adams (F-MA)

Conservatives
  1. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL)
  2. George Washington (I-VA)
  3. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY)
  4. Thomas Jefferson (DR-VA)
  5. Teddy Roosevelt (R-NY)
  6. Andrew Jackson (D-TN)
  7. Harry Truman (D-MO)
  8. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ)
  9. Dwight D. Eisenhower (R-KS)
10. John Adams (F-MA)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States#Siena_College_Research_Institute,_Presidential_Expert_Poll_of_2010


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: America's Sweetheart ❤/𝕿𝖍𝖊 𝕭𝖔𝖔𝖙𝖞 𝖂𝖆𝖗𝖗𝖎𝖔𝖗 on March 15, 2018, 11:34:34 AM
1. Franklin D. Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Dwight D. Eisenhower
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Harry Truman
7. Woodrow Wilson
8. James Monroe
9. Thomas Jefferson
10. Barack Obama
This, except replace Obama with Thomas Jefferson and Wilson with JFK.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: SWE on March 19, 2018, 05:35:30 PM
Lincoln
Grant
FDR
JQA
Washington
Taylor
Arthur
Jefferson
Taft
Truman
Harding
Ford
Carter
Adams
Roosevelt
Cleveland
Harrison
Coolidge
HW Bush
Obama
Hoover
Clinton
LBJ
MVB
Monroe
JFK
Tyler
Eisenhower
Trump
Madison
Fillmore
McKinley
Pierce
Wilson
Jackson
Hayes
Reagan
Buchanan
Bush
Johnson
Polk
Nixon


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: Fuzzy Bear on March 21, 2018, 10:20:03 PM
George Washington
Abraham Lincoln
Franklin D. Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Thomas Jefferson
Andrew Jackson
Ronald Reagan
Lyndon B. Johnson

Had LBJ not plunged us into Vietnam, I'd have rated him higher.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: MassTerp94 on April 02, 2018, 10:32:01 AM
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. George Washington
3. Theodore Roosevelt
4. John Fitzgerald Kennedy
5. Harry S Truman
6. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
7. Thomas Jefferson
8. James Knox Polk
9. Dwight David Eisenhower
10. James Monroe

Honorable Mentions:

Thomas Woodrow Wilson
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Barack Hussein Obama

Top 10 Worst:

10. Martin Van Buren
9. Ulysses Simpson Grant
8. George W. Bush
7. John Tyler
6. Millard Fillmore
5. Calvin Coolidge
4. Herbert Clark Hoover
3. Warren Gamaliel Harding
2. Franklin Pierce
1. James Buchanan

"Honorable" Mentions:

Andrew Jackson
Stephen Grover Cleveland
James Earl Carter, Jr.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: HillGoose on April 02, 2018, 11:46:37 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Herbert Hoover
3. George W Bush
4. George HW Bush
5. Ronald Reagan
6. James Polk
7. James Madison
8. George Washington
9. Richard Nixon
10. Dwight Eisenhower


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: MassTerp94 on April 02, 2018, 11:52:06 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Herbert Hoover
3. George W Bush
4. George HW Bush
5. Ronald Reagan
6. James Polk
7. James Madison
8. George Washington
9. Richard Nixon
10. Dwight Eisenhower


Herbert Hoover? You've got to be kidding me.


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: HillGoose on April 02, 2018, 11:58:58 AM
1. Thomas Jefferson
2. Herbert Hoover
3. George W Bush
4. George HW Bush
5. Ronald Reagan
6. James Polk
7. James Madison
8. George Washington
9. Richard Nixon
10. Dwight Eisenhower


Herbert Hoover? You've got to be kidding me.

he's been done wrong by history, i feel for him


Title: Re: 10 Greatest Presidents
Post by: °Leprechaun on April 02, 2018, 02:08:01 PM
A lot of you voted for slave owners. :(