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Title: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: pragmatic liberal on December 05, 2008, 11:11:34 PM
Dig this up in eight years, at which point I'll sound prescient or completely ridiculous.

I'm not betting on this... BUT...IF Caroline Kennedy replaces Hillary Clinton in the Senate and wins reelection in 2010 and 2012, she could be well-placed to run for president herself in 2016 as the daughter of a former president, a U.S. senator, and a close ally of the possible incumbent (Obama, if he wins a second term). Nor would she be too old.

For that matter, if Hillary is replaced by Rep. Kirsten Gilibrand (another reputed short-lister), she too would be a very possible prospect for president or vice president in 2016.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Psychic Octopus on December 05, 2008, 11:21:55 PM
the kennedys won't go away. Eventually, there will be another Kennedy president.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Queen Mum Inks.LWC on December 06, 2008, 02:49:32 AM
Highly unlikely.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 06, 2008, 03:04:25 AM
The really scary thing: this isn't completely ridiculous to me.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: phk on December 06, 2008, 04:31:48 AM
The really scary thing: this isn't completely ridiculous to me.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 06, 2008, 11:05:36 AM


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on December 06, 2008, 11:13:30 AM
I'm getting excited just thinking about it.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on December 06, 2008, 12:36:16 PM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on December 06, 2008, 12:39:44 PM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?

I wouldn't call Ted Kennedy worthless.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 06, 2008, 12:39:52 PM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?

Well now that doesn't matter, Al. We'll still need a big bucket to collect our drool at the very mention of the name.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: paul718 on December 06, 2008, 12:46:07 PM
If Paterson appoints her to replace Hillary, he will have officially lost my vote for 2010.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Nym90 on December 06, 2008, 02:25:37 PM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?

Even RFK Junior?

Or maybe you just meant those who have gone into politics. ;)


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Beet on December 06, 2008, 02:39:31 PM
If Paterson appoints her to replace Hillary, he will have officially lost my vote for 2010.

He might feel pressured into doing so by forces beyond his control, but yeah I would be pretty disappointed.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Barack Hussian YO MAMA!!!! on December 06, 2008, 03:05:04 PM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?

Well now that doesn't matter, Al. We'll still need a big bucket to collect our drool at the very mention of the name.
count me in!!! at least I will never join the cult of Reagan though.
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Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Keystone Phil on December 06, 2008, 06:23:59 PM

count me in!!! at least I will never join the cult of Reagan though.



Reagan doesn't get nearly as much praise/attention as the beloved Kennedy clan does and he actually deserves most of the praise that he gets.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: ChrisFromNJ on December 06, 2008, 07:12:34 PM





Reagan doesn't get nearly as much praise/attention as the beloved Kennedy clan does

Wow.

What a total lie.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on December 07, 2008, 04:14:15 AM


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Lunar on December 07, 2008, 05:00:15 AM
Guys, chill out.

She hasn't shown the kind of passion for ambitious political ascension that would be required for the presidency.  If she wanted a Representative spot, it'd probably be hers.   She's shown interest in the senate, but that's just because it'd be super easy.  She doesn't have the heart for a presidential run.

I mean, she's not the odds-favorite to even be appointed to the senate!  I mean, she could get the slot, but it would be a big, big surprise and would be the NY Gov basically surrendering the choice to Obama. 

I mean, she's a potential rising star, but her personality thus far has shown that this is not THAT likely.  I suspect she would be content with the senate and not seek higher office.  She's also too liberal for mainstream America (and almost too liberal for New York but not quite because of her last name).

Anyway, this is an interesting scenario, but she's probably not going to be chosen and if she is (which is possible) she's probably not going to run for president in 2016.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Nixon in '80 on December 07, 2008, 07:01:50 PM

Anyway, this is an interesting scenario, but she's probably not going to be chosen and if she is (which is possible) she's probably not going to run for president in 2016.


The mere fact that you feel it appropriate to use the qualifier "probably" is what scares me.

I'm not trying to start a "Stop Caroline" movement here, I'm just saying it's amazing that the scenario presented is at all plausible.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: CultureKing on December 07, 2008, 10:15:25 PM

Wow.

What a total lie.
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Truthfully Reagan was at best a mediocre president, he can't compare to the likes of Teddy, FDR, Lincoln, Jefferson or Washington. I think that just because we have had a run of not so great presidents has made him stand out as one of the ones who screwed up the least. If Clinton had just minded his own personal business he would definately have been seen in a better light by the American people than Ronald Reagan.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Ogre Mage on December 07, 2008, 11:26:11 PM
Saying that Kennedy would be a viable Presidential candidate when she isn't even in office yet is stretching it.  However, I do think there is a fairly good chance she will be chosen to fill Hillary's seat.  Let's look at her performance in office before we jump to conclusions.  Even if she does well, we have no idea if she has the relentless fire in the belly and bone-grinding dedication necessary to run for President.  Very few people do and given how private she has been it seems unlikely. 


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: RosettaStoned on December 11, 2008, 04:57:44 PM
Mark Warner has a better shot.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Lief 🗽 on December 11, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
Er... no thank you. Let's not reward people for their names. It's already pretty gross that she's going to get a Senate seat without having done anything to earn it.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Beet on December 11, 2008, 11:01:48 PM
Er... no thank you. Let's not reward people for their names. It's already pretty gross that she's going to get a Senate seat without having done anything to earn it.

^^^^^

If Kennedy is appointed, I will be endorsing Republicans for statewide races in NY in 2010.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Governor PiT on December 12, 2008, 03:03:40 AM
And if she turns out to be as worthless as every other Kennedy after the '60's?

I wouldn't call Ted Kennedy worthless.

Is amnesty and the treasonous act of 1965 worthless to you?


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: they don't love you like i love you on December 12, 2008, 04:09:32 AM
Er... no thank you. Let's not reward people for their names. It's already pretty gross that she's going to get a Senate seat without having done anything to earn it.

^^^^^

If Kennedy is appointed, I will be endorsing Republicans for statewide races in NY in 2010.

From a guy who wanted Hillary Clinton to be President?


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Four49 on December 12, 2008, 02:20:51 PM
If she gets Hillary's seat and if Obama's a great (not just good) POTUS, it could happen.  I really believe that presidential politics is all about identity and making people feel all warm and fuzzy inside.  She's got the name, she's fairly charasmatic, she'd be running to make history, and hey, with Neil Diamond on your side, how could you lose?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzsUOmqpaeg


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Beet on December 12, 2008, 02:38:04 PM
Er... no thank you. Let's not reward people for their names. It's already pretty gross that she's going to get a Senate seat without having done anything to earn it.

^^^^^

If Kennedy is appointed, I will be endorsing Republicans for statewide races in NY in 2010.

From a guy who wanted Hillary Clinton to be President?

Um, no comparison. I am not bigoted against people with big names. I just don't like it when they rely solely on that to become catapulted into a high position. Hillary Clinton was far more than her name. Also, the Clintons are in no way a dynasty like the Kennedys or Bushes are. It's amazing how some people are continually unable to grasp that fact.


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: crazy jimmie on December 12, 2008, 02:43:47 PM
Er... no thank you. Let's not reward people for their names. It's already pretty gross that she's going to get a Senate seat without having done anything to earn it.

^^^^^

If Kennedy is appointed, I will be endorsing Republicans for statewide races in NY in 2010.

From a guy who wanted Hillary Clinton to be President?

Um, no comparison. I am not bigoted against people with big names. I just don't like it when they rely solely on that to become catapulted into a high position. Hillary Clinton was far more than her name. Also, the Clintons are in no way a dynasty like the Kennedys or Bushes are. It's amazing how some people are continually unable to grasp that fact.


^^^^ Strongy agree with beet!


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Lunar on December 12, 2008, 02:56:25 PM
I'm becoming more confident it won't be Kennedy.  There's been a pushback from angry Clintonistas and some state legislators.  Appointing her because Ted and Obama offer to be your allies might be a mistake after the Blago affair


Title: Re: Caroline Kennedy in 2016?
Post by: Barack Hussian YO MAMA!!!! on December 12, 2008, 03:03:28 PM

count me in!!! at least I will never join the cult of Reagan though.



Reagan doesn't get nearly as much praise/attention as the beloved Kennedy clan does and he actually deserves most of the praise that he gets.

your probably right, I wonder why black people like the Kennedy's?  so much it must have something to do with blues music.
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