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Title: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: bgwah on February 20, 2009, 01:47:09 AM
Past results:

4) Serbia
1) 17.6% - Massachusetts
2) 11.8% - South Carolina
3) 12-way tie for third


3) Norway
1) 28.1% - Minnesota
2) 25.0% - Alaska
3) 21.9% - Maine
4) 9.4% - North Dakota
5) 6.3% - Vermont

2) Belgium
1) 21.7% - Maryland
2) 17.4% - Louisiana
3) 13.0% - Maine
3) 13.0% - Vermont
5) 8.7% - New Jersey

1) Germany
1) 33.3% - Pennsylvania
2) 26.7% - California
3) 13.3% - Wisconsin
4) 6.7% - Illinois
4) 6.7% - Minnesota


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: bgwah on February 20, 2009, 01:56:08 AM
People clearly had a hard time picking a state for Serbia. Considering how it has been in the news quite a bit since the 90s, I thought maybe more people could form an opinion. I went with an easier country this time, though I suspect MA or RI will win due to their large Irish-American populations making it not terribly interesting, but w/e. :)


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: dead0man on February 20, 2009, 01:58:11 AM
Population in the CO,AL,SC,LA,KY area.  Land size in the SC,ME,WV area.  Closest to AL,CN,LA in total GDP.  Since Alabama is full of Irish, it's got to be Alabama.  But that's kind of mean to Ireland.  So....Georgia it is.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: bgwah on February 20, 2009, 02:30:53 AM
It kind of reminds me of New Mexico in a way... The Catholic area is conquered by it's big Anglo Protestant neighbor. The southern areas of Mexico are left to the Mexicans, but America keeps the northern part. Many white people move in etc.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Јas on February 20, 2009, 04:58:10 AM
Closest to AL,CN,LA in total GDP.  

Ireland GDP (2007)
IMF: $261 billion
World Bank: $255 billion

According to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)), which seems to be sourcing the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, the figures for the states you cite are:
Connecticut: $216 billion
Louisiana: $216 billion
Alabama: $166 billion

But Minnesota ($255 billion) and Maryland ($269 billion) are much closer to the Irish figures.

On a per capita basis, only Delaware seems to be a reasonable comparison.

Since Alabama is full of Irish, it's got to be Alabama.  

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Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: dead0man on February 20, 2009, 05:16:51 AM
Closest to AL,CN,LA in total GDP.  

Ireland GDP (2007)
IMF: $261 billion
World Bank: $255 billion

According to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)), which seems to be sourcing the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, the figures for the states you cite are:
Connecticut: $216 billion
Louisiana: $216 billion
Alabama: $166 billion

But Minnesota ($255 billion) and Maryland ($269 billion) are much closer to the Irish figures.
Wiki gave me $188 billion for Ireland.  link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland#cite_note-autogenerated1-3)
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Since Alabama is full of Irish, it's got to be Alabama.  

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My apologies.  I've always heard the south is full of Scots-Irish and just went with that assumption.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: jokerman on February 20, 2009, 01:26:25 PM
Big difference between Irish and Scots-Irish, deadman.  The latter really aren't even "Irish" at all, merely Scottish lowlanders transplanted to Northern Ireland.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: dead0man on February 20, 2009, 01:34:40 PM
I've changed my vote to Conn.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: GMantis on February 20, 2009, 04:00:45 PM
Though it's too obvious, Massachusetts.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: opebo on February 20, 2009, 04:11:17 PM
Does any US state match the Irish standard of living?  I strongly doubt it.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Verily on February 20, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
Closest to AL,CN,LA in total GDP.  

Ireland GDP (2007)
IMF: $261 billion
World Bank: $255 billion

According to wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)), which seems to be sourcing the US Bureau of Economic Analysis, the figures for the states you cite are:
Connecticut: $216 billion
Louisiana: $216 billion
Alabama: $166 billion

But Minnesota ($255 billion) and Maryland ($269 billion) are much closer to the Irish figures.
Wiki gave me $188 billion for Ireland.  link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland#cite_note-autogenerated1-3)
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Since Alabama is full of Irish, it's got to be Alabama.  

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My apologies.  I've always heard the south is full of Scots-Irish and just went with that assumption.

The South (or, rather, southern Appalachia) is full of Scots-Irish. But Scots-Irish are from Northern Ireland, not Ireland, and aren't included in Irish under most definitions.

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Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Peter on February 20, 2009, 04:31:08 PM
Kansas.

Ireland's stereotypical image is one of being a nation of potato growers. Kansas is about as agrarian as it comes.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 20, 2009, 04:53:31 PM
Does any US state match the Irish standard of living?  I strongly doubt it.

Ignorance.

Kansas.

Ireland's stereotypical image is one of being a nation of potato growers. Kansas is about as agrarian as it comes.

Peter I like you, but epic fail.

Mass, NY, etc are too "Irish" (inverted commas important) to be truly Irish, no-one truly Irish - that is living in Ireland - could ever be that "Irish" (or "Oirish"), of course I'm completely depending on a stereotype much replayed in the media (or meeja) here for my argument. The South doesn't make much sense, neither does New England - other than perhaps Rhode Island, saying that out loud I'll go with Rhode Island.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: bullmoose88 on February 20, 2009, 05:50:36 PM
Oh yeah, I was the first to vote, and I voted Rhode Island


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on February 20, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
I voted Indiana, based on landscape and population distribution.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Lunar on February 21, 2009, 06:38:26 AM
Kansas.

Ireland's stereotypical image is one of being a nation of potato growers. Kansas is about as agrarian as it comes.

Idaho = potato


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 21, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
     Since Massachusetts/Rhode Island will win regardless of what I do, I just went ahead & voted Idaho. They're both known for potatoes after all.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: jokerman on February 21, 2009, 04:25:28 PM
Kansas.

Ireland's stereotypical image is one of being a nation of potato growers. Kansas is about as agrarian as it comes.

Idaho = potato
The reason Idaho is known for potatoes is because that's one of the only vegetables profitable on its barren soil.  It's more of a comparative advantage-type situation than anything.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Psychic Octopus on February 21, 2009, 04:41:23 PM
A More Capitalist Rhode Island.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: minionofmidas on February 21, 2009, 04:50:38 PM
Virginia, with West Virginia representing the Province? ;)


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Tetro Kornbluth on February 21, 2009, 05:07:38 PM
Virginia, with West Virginia representing the Province? ;)

Huh? Virginia, ehhhmm.. No.

P.S: Epic Fail for those who mentioned Potatoes.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on February 21, 2009, 07:41:06 PM
Virginia, with West Virginia representing the Province? ;)

Huh? Virginia, ehhhmm.. No.

P.S: Epic Fail for those who mentioned Potatoes.

     I practically said that I was mentioning it in jest.


Title: Re: US/European state comparison #5: Ireland is most like what U.S. state?
Post by: Lunar on February 21, 2009, 10:32:29 PM
Virginia, with West Virginia representing the Province? ;)

Huh? Virginia, ehhhmm.. No.

P.S: Epic Fail for those who mentioned Potatoes.

Hey I love potaters - and I have Irish citizenship so I can declare my love