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Title: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 28, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
Let's vote ! :D
Next month, I will organize the 2nd Round with the two front-runners.
Those who want can keep their vote secret, as in real life. The results will be discovered only when the poll will be closed, as in real life. ;)
Last thing : If you don't know candidates' political affiliations and ideas, you can ask informations to me or another french user. Thanks.

Personally, I would vote for Bayrou.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: You kip if you want to... on March 28, 2009, 03:09:21 PM
Royal


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Franzl on March 28, 2009, 03:11:13 PM
Sarkozy


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 28, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
First poll

Sample : 3
Bayrou : 33%
Sarkozy : 33%
Undecided : 33%

I will do a poll with users who declare their votes on the thread, every saturday and wednesday at about 21h (CET).

Please, continue to vote ! :)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on March 28, 2009, 06:19:46 PM
Frédéric Nihous. Chasse, pêche, nature, pinard et traditions!


Gah.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 30, 2009, 11:41:06 AM
Quote
Frédéric Nihous. Chasse, pêche, nature, pinard et traditions!
Oh my god ! :o It would be despering to see this ridiculous party getting 33% of the votes...
We need more votes !


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Thomas216 on March 30, 2009, 12:46:17 PM
I'd actually like to know what's the difference between Sarkozy's and Bayrou's views.
Do they differ in their economic views? their views regarding the relations between France and the US?
Anyway, I'll probably would have voted for Sarkozy as the main right-wing candidate (who happans not to be a racist), his Hungarian roots are also a bonus.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on March 30, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
I'd actually like to know what's the difference between Sarkozy's and Bayrou's views.
Do they differ in their economic views? their views regarding the relations between France and the US?
Anyway, I'll probably would have voted for Sarkozy as the main right-wing candidate (who happans not to be a racist), his Hungarian roots are also a bonus.

Bayrou is againts the return of France in the NATO, but I certainly don't think he's anti-american. About economics, he's at the right-wing but criticized many governmental economical policies like the "bouclier fiscal". In synthesis, I think he's a real centrist, and for many issue he's near the PS's position. Personnally, i'd give this score in political matrix : E +1, S -3


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on March 30, 2009, 03:33:52 PM
Bayrou is againts the return of France in the NATO, but I certainly don't think he's anti-american. About economics, he's at the right-wing but criticized many governmental economical policies like the "bouclier fiscal". In synthesis, I think he's a real centrist, and for many issue he's near the PS's position. Personnally, i'd give this score in political matrix : E +1, S -3

Bayrou is against NATO just because he's the opposition. Look at what the then-opposition's response to leaving NATO was in 1966.

Bayrou is not anti-American, but he's more skeptic of the United States than Sarkozy.

The French centre is historically economically moderate, although Bayrou has criticized government policies. But then, the opposition criticizes everything.

He is becoming more and more socially liberal, but he is opposed to gay marriage for example. Not that social-ethical issues are all that important in France.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Thomas216 on March 30, 2009, 04:23:17 PM
Bayrou is againts the return of France in the NATO, but I certainly don't think he's anti-american. About economics, he's at the right-wing but criticized many governmental economical policies like the "bouclier fiscal". In synthesis, I think he's a real centrist, and for many issue he's near the PS's position. Personnally, i'd give this score in political matrix : E +1, S -3

Thank you, voted for Sarkozy.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on March 30, 2009, 04:57:16 PM
     Nihous.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on March 30, 2009, 06:34:04 PM

La ruralité d'abord! Chasse, pêche, nature, pinard et traditions!


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: big bad fab on April 01, 2009, 04:18:31 AM
Sarkozy.

And it's Schivardi, not Scivardi.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 02, 2009, 02:45:05 AM
Second Poll

Sample : 7

Sarkozy : 43%
Nihous : 29%
Bayrou : 14%
Royal : 14%

I can't believe it : we're going to have a Nihous-Sarkozy second round... :(
The existence of CPNT is an insult to french politics.

Anyways : 7 votes is a very poor result. We need more turnout !!!


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Math on April 02, 2009, 05:19:59 AM
Second Poll

Sample : 7

Sarkozy : 43%
Nihous : 29%
Bayrou : 14%
Royal : 14%

I can't believe it : we're going to have a Nihous-Sarkozy second round... :(
The existence of CPNT is an insult to french politics.

Anyways : 7 votes is a very poor result. We need more turnout !!!

He, I voted for Voynet but it seems my vote doesn't appear...


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 02, 2009, 06:09:41 AM
Second Poll

Sample : 7

Sarkozy : 43%
Nihous : 29%
Bayrou : 14%
Royal : 14%

I can't believe it : we're going to have a Nihous-Sarkozy second round... :(
The existence of CPNT is an insult to french politics.

Anyways : 7 votes is a very poor result. We need more turnout !!!

He, I voted for Voynet but it seems my vote doesn't appear...

The results are hidden until the closure of the poll. ;)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Math on April 02, 2009, 07:43:43 PM
My bad, I didn't read the whole topic. Let's hope a sane guy will be ahead, but since there is no sane candidates in French politics...


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on April 03, 2009, 12:28:58 AM
Let's hope a sane guy will be ahead,

     I don't know how many Nihous supporters there are on Atlas.... ;)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 03, 2009, 07:05:23 AM
The last time I did this thing, I got these results

François Bayrou (UDF) 33.3%
Frédéric Nihous (CPNT) 16.7%
Nicolas Sarkozy (UMP) 8.3%
Ségolène Royal (PS) 8.3%
Olivier Besancenot (LCR) 8.3%
Marie-George Buffet (PCF) 8.3%
Dominique Voynet (Greens) 8.3%
Viscount Squeaky Voice (MPF) 8.3%

Bayrou 80/20 in the runoff.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 03, 2009, 02:46:50 PM
My bad, I didn't read the whole topic. Let's hope a sane guy will be ahead, but since there is no sane candidates in French politics...
That's going to be difficult...


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 03, 2009, 04:40:26 PM
My bad, I didn't read the whole topic. Let's hope a sane guy will be ahead, but since there is no sane candidates in French politics...

None of the candidates in 2007 were sane, or anywhere close to being so.



Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Math on April 03, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
My bad, I didn't read the whole topic. Let's hope a sane guy will be ahead, but since there is no sane candidates in French politics...

None of the candidates in 2007 were sane, or anywhere close to being so.



So sad Cindy Lee didn't run.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 05, 2009, 07:12:48 AM
Third poll

Sample : 8

Sarkozy : 37%
Nihous : 25%
Bayrou : 12%
Royal : 12%
Voynet : 12%


We have only one more vote... :(


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Lief 🗽 on April 06, 2009, 06:31:21 PM
Bayrou, I suppose. Sego is kind of an idiot, the rest of the lefties are nutjobs, and Sarko is cool, but I wouldn't first preference him.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 07, 2009, 06:07:00 AM
Bayrou, I suppose. Sego is kind of an idiot, the rest of the lefties are nutjobs, and Sarko is cool, but I wouldn't first preference him.

You say that because you don't live in the country he's destroying.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Mint on April 07, 2009, 06:10:36 AM
Bayrou, I suppose. Sego is kind of an idiot, the rest of the lefties are nutjobs, and Sarko is cool, but I wouldn't first preference him.

You say that because you don't live in the country he's destroying.

He says that because he would be a liberal Democrat here.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 07, 2009, 06:28:17 AM
Bayrou, I suppose. Sego is kind of an idiot, the rest of the lefties are nutjobs, and Sarko is cool, but I wouldn't first preference him.

You say that because you don't live in the country he's destroying.

He says that because he would be a liberal Democrat here.

Definitely not. Frenchs have the impression that american left is the same that french right, as Americans have the impression that french right is the same that american left ; but it isn't true. There is certainly a lot of cultural differences between american and french political factions, but Sarko remains at best a blue dog, at worst a liberal republican. Nothing, I say absolutely nothing to do with the progressive side of the Democratic Party.
I remark that I did the political matrix test, getting 7 in economic and 5 in social. So I'm less leftist than you and Lief ; and even I consider Sarkozy, not as a bad politician, but as a dagerous stupid megalomaniac ultraconservative clown.

The only reason you say that Sarkozy is a liberal democrat is that You don't know him at all.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 13, 2009, 11:33:08 AM
Nobody else wants to vote ? :(


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 21, 2009, 10:21:14 AM
It remains only one week before the closure of the poll. Please vote !


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it] on April 23, 2009, 06:22:06 AM
Just voted for the one I had put a paper in the box in 2007, Bayrou.

I agree and disagree for American left and French right. They tend to be more or less the same in economics, it is just that the 1st ones try to put more some left in their economy which is clearly on the right when the second ones try to put more some right in their economy which is clearly on the left. Just for socio-economical issues, for the rest comparisons are today irrelevant.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 26, 2009, 10:22:58 AM
Fourth poll

Sample : 9

Sarkozy : 33%
Bayrou : 22%
Nihous : 22%
Royal : 11%
Voynet : 11%


I hope we're not going to have a tie...


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 26, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 26, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.

In real life, I think it's the older candidate who wins, isn't it ? Bayrou is born in 1951, Nihous in 1967. Bayrou wins ! :D


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 26, 2009, 02:12:31 PM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.

In real life, I think it's the older candidate who wins, isn't it ? Bayrou is born in 1951, Nihous in 1967. Bayrou wins ! :D

Yes, if there's a tie in any election, direct or indirect, the older candidate wins. A few General Council Presidents got elected due to that clause last year, IIRC.

Of course, it's actually fairer and more democratic to flip a coin (!)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 26, 2009, 02:25:57 PM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.

In real life, I think it's the older candidate who wins, isn't it ? Bayrou is born in 1951, Nihous in 1967. Bayrou wins ! :D

Yes, if there's a tie in any election, direct or indirect, the older candidate wins. A few General Council Presidents got elected due to that clause last year, IIRC.

Of course, it's actually fairer and more democratic to flip a coin (!)

You're right, but who can control if I really flip a coin or if I invent the result ? That's not a safe method. And anyways, rules are rules !


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 26, 2009, 02:33:01 PM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.

In real life, I think it's the older candidate who wins, isn't it ? Bayrou is born in 1951, Nihous in 1967. Bayrou wins ! :D

Yes, if there's a tie in any election, direct or indirect, the older candidate wins. A few General Council Presidents got elected due to that clause last year, IIRC.

Of course, it's actually fairer and more democratic to flip a coin (!)

You're right, but who can control if I really flip a coin or if I invent the result ? That's not a safe method. And anyways, rules are rules !

We trust you to be honest ;D Though maybe not since you don't like Nihous and like Bayrou ;)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 26, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
I hope we're not going to have a tie...

Flip a coin. That's what I did when I did this series of polls.

In real life, I think it's the older candidate who wins, isn't it ? Bayrou is born in 1951, Nihous in 1967. Bayrou wins ! :D

Yes, if there's a tie in any election, direct or indirect, the older candidate wins. A few General Council Presidents got elected due to that clause last year, IIRC.

Of course, it's actually fairer and more democratic to flip a coin (!)

You're right, but who can control if I really flip a coin or if I invent the result ? That's not a safe method. And anyways, rules are rules !

We trust you to be honest ;D Though maybe not since you don't like Nihous and like Bayrou ;)

I personally would be, but I don't like a methods who force you to trust in somebody's honesty. ;)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 28, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
The poll will be closed today in few hours...


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 29, 2009, 12:50:25 AM
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT ? ??? ??? ??? ??? How could it happen ?
We just discovered the Royal effect !

Anyways...


Official results

Ségolène Royal : 8 ( 38% )
François Bayrou : 4 ( 19% )
Nicolas Sarkozy : 4 ( 19% )
Frédéric Nihous : 2 ( 10% )
Dominique Voynet : 1 ( 5% )
Marie-George Buffet : 1 ( 5% )
Jean-Marie Le Pen : 1 ( 5% )

Bayrou is born in 1951, whereas Sarko is born in 1955. Ségolène Royal and François Bayrou are therefore qualified for the Second turn of the French Presidential Mock Election. Coming soon ! ;)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Hash on April 29, 2009, 06:35:48 AM
I refuse to vote. Blanc bonnet et bonnet blanc.


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on April 29, 2009, 08:47:32 AM
I refuse to vote. Blanc bonnet et bonnet blanc.

You can at least vote Blank here : https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=95425.0 (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=95425.0)


Title: Re: French mock presidential election, 2007 - 1st round
Post by: Bunwahaha [still dunno why, but well, so be it] on April 29, 2009, 10:16:31 AM
Damn... Frédéric Nihous... 2 votes...??

Well, not that I would tell you what to do, but I would find it still more interesting by making a difference between French votes, and non-French votes, to see differences between both. For example by proposing:

candidate1 (French voters)
candidate1 (Other voters)

etc...