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Yes, it is 100% bullsh!t. I don't like it when people get PC and are like 'Well, it might be right about some things." It's garbage, period. The only horoscopes of any value at all is The Onion's.

Astrology is completely worthless.

Astrology has entertainment value even if it is false, so no, it is not worthless.

What sign are you BRTD?
My guess would be LEO.

Horoscopes are not astrology.

Almost 90% of the people I know actually do match their astrological profile.  I'm not saying it happens for the reasons that "you Venus was in Cancer" but... I find it oddly convincing.

     Yes.


     I'm curious then, so what do you think my sign is?

Yep. It is also as boring as hell, which is its main "fail."

Has anyone asked someone what their sign is as a pick-up line?  Does that joke have any reality out there?  :)

Can't say that that's happened, but I do remember once being asked my birthdate and her first reaction being, "Oh, you're a ______."

Ummm... I honestly don't know enough about you, dude.

     Fair enough. It occurred to me after asking that it might be hard to tell details about someone's personality over the internet.

I can tell you that air signs, or people with a strong presence of air signs in their chart generally have the strongest leanings toward libertarianism.  So, Aquarius, Gemini and Libra, then, although Libras are usually the most conservative of that group.  Also, fire signs tend to be quite libertarian, if given the proper configuration in the rest of their chart, that would be Aries, Leo and Sagittarius, but Aries tends to be extremely selfish, and all of them are egotistical.  Aries, in particular can be extremely dictatorial, given the right conditions... and I am not just saying that because Hitler was one.  Aries and Taurus are the ultimate "my way of the highway" signs but Aries tends to be far more arrogant about it, where as Taurus is just stubborn.

The other signs all tend towards authoritarianism, generally in the form of "rules and structure."

I'm a Sagittarius, so so much for the libertarian theory.

What is your birthday?  I mean year and everything.

     I'm a member of one of the six more authoritarian signs, so that's a slight problem. ;)

December 18, 1983

Well, it provides an excellent example of the Barnum effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forer_effect), and early astronomers got paid to watch the stars and were allowed to do science on the side...

But for the most part, useless or worse (if people actually use such misinformation to make decisions).

Well that proves astrology is 100% true. BRTD fits that sign perfectly.

I find that people who deny that astrology is true are extremely closed minded.
Before saying it is worthless you should check it out and have your chart done.
(I am very Scorpio by the way, you could say it is all a coincidence, however, I suppose)

To get your profile done:

http://www.astro.com/

It is amusing when religious people criticize astrology, since religion is something for which there is no empirical evidence.

Do they ridicule it or believe it is some creation of the devil?

I don't believe in astrology anymore, but I don't think it's worthless.

Actually, BRTD, you sound alot like a Sagittarius, and I say that taking no account for personal bias.  When I said "Libertarian" I should have noted that I didn't necessarily mean political libertarian, simply that personally, fire and air signs tend to thrive more off of personal freedom to do want they want, where as water and earth signs are much more "rules, methods, and traditions oriented."

Coincidentally, you actually have the exact same birthday as a girl I used to date, and I didn't get along so well with her either, alot of the time.  Our relationship was helped by the fact that we could settle our differences face to face, and well, she had a vagina, and you don't.

http://www.astrology-online.com/sagittar.htm

I like the basic Sun sign profiles this site has, in that they are detailed, and the profiles don't all sound like variations of the same themes.

This is just sun sign astrology, though, which doesn't tell the who story... in fact, any good astrologer would tell you that astrology itself cannot really tell the whole story.

I have had my full chart done, and its what really convinced me that there might be something to astrology... though I could certainly never qualify it, scientifically, which bothers me.  But my chart was extremely accurate in really odd, random, and precise ways, right down to the fact that I would gain a significant inheritance from a great aunt on my mother's side.  But more in terms of personality, preferences, etc.

In terms of planet placement, BRTD, your chart looks like this:

Moon in Gemini
Mercury in Capricorn
Venus in Scorpio
Mars in Libra
Jupiter in Sagittarius
Saturn in Scorpio

I would tell you what all that means, but I am not an "expert" and would be bound to make mistakes.

By comparison, mine look like this:

Sun in Aquarius
Moon in Taurus
Mercury in Capricorn
Venus in Capricorn
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Sagittarius
Saturn in Scorpio

I actually don't find any Biblical basis for opposition to astrology.  In fact, if anything, the Christian scripture would seem to argue against the notion that there is anything inherently wrong with it.

The Magi were astrologers, in fact, "astrologer" and "Magi" meant pretty much the same thing.  The "star" they followed was a planetary alignment, whose significance they likely understood because of their knowledge of astrology.  They were probably Zoroastrians, but they were almost definitely not Jews.

In the OT, no one is ever punished for divination, which was everywhere in the ancient world, but what they were punished for, such as the case with Saul, was not trusting God, and consulting divination above God.

This is what the site says about Virgos (my birthday is late August)

They are usually observant, shrewd, critically inclined, judicious, patient, practical supporters of the status quo, and tend toward conservatism in all departments of life. On the surface they are emotionally cold, and sometimes this goes deeper, for their habit of suppressing their natural kindness may in the end cause it to atrophy, with the result that they shrink from committing themselves to friendship, make few relationships, and those they do make they are careful to keep superficial.

Some of this is undeniably true, especially what the Astrologer considers negatives, like the tendancy to encourage friendships to wither away. But it is an observed fact that astrologers make claims so broad that, in certain instances, they must be true, if the querant has normal human emotions that express themselves naturally.

On the whole, astrology is less garbagy than other New Age mysticism, if only for its insight into the broad general types of human psychology. But I would argue that that insight arose only after psychology became an established academic pursuit that identified the types in the first place.

Pure crapola.

Not as nutty as Nostradamus' 'predictions' and the person who said I was 'in them' :/

I disagree

Supersoulty,

The bible does state that the lights in the heaven are for marking TIME and for SIGNS:

Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.

But, that does NOT mean those SIGNS are meant to be predictive, for nowhere does any godly person in the bible use the lights to predict events on earth.  When the Magi saw the star, it was a SIGN that Jesus was ALREADY born:

Matthew 2:1-2
Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.

( Which was a fulfillment of the following verse, therefore the Magi were well aware of Scripture: Numbers 24:17  "There shall come a Star out of Jacob, and a Sceptre shall rise out of Israel")


Likewise, during the endtimes, the events in the heavens are NOT predictive, but rather COINCIDE with the coming of Christ:

 Mat 24
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
   " 'the sun will be darkened,
      and the moon will not give its light;
   the stars will fall from the sky,
      and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'
 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Rev 6
 12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"


For scriptures condemning the use of the starts to foretell events on earth, which is the purpose of astrology, see the following verses:

Deuteronomy 4:19
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Leviticus 19:26
2 Chronicles 33:5-6
Isaiah 47:13-14
Jeremiah 10:2
Zephaniah 1:4-5

I have to agree with J. 

If anything, astrology is a form of divination...which is forbidden by Scripture.

Modern astrology would be much more likely to be associated with "coincide", not "divine".  One of my biggest astrology bffs back in the day used to say that astrology was an example of synchronicity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity).

from wiki:

Astrology (from Greek ἄστρον, astron, "constellation, star"; and -λογία, -logia, "the study of") is a group of systems, traditions, and beliefs which hold that the relative positions of celestial bodies and related details can provide useful information about personality, human affairs, and other terrestrial matters.

Divination (from Latin divinare "to be inspired by a god", related to divine, diva and deus) is the attempt to gain insight into a question or situation by way of a standardized process or ritual.

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The fact that astrology is attempting to be predictive on a personal level is given by the fact horoscopes attempt to give you advice in advance for the rest of your day.  Basically, it seeks personal advice for conducting future activities from the stars.

It is no different in that regard than palm readers.

So if astrology is real, or close to real, everyone born on November 14, 1986, will have the same personality as me?

I think a cracker-personality is a function of location, not time.  ;)

What about twins with different personalities? My dad is a twin and he's not really that similar to his sister.

Did your grandmother deliver them on different sides of the state line?

From here:

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That seems rather difficult.

Astrology is utter crap with no redeeming value whatsoever. Religion in disguise without even any claims on morality.

No, because:

1) Time and location of birth are also factors.

2) Because of different personal influences, including sex of the individual.

Astrology and horoscopes aren't the same thing.  Most people who are serious about astrology disdain horoscopes for their supposed predictive power.  An astrologer would tell you that they are more about gaining insight, and through that, you can note tendencies, but that is it.

So then what about twins who are not alike?

Even more: as with biorhythms one could cast a horoscope for Elvis Presley (imitators notwithstanding, he is dead)  and not get any indication that he is dead.

... In any event, astrology acts very differently from our understanding of physical phenomena -- most significantly, electromagnetism, the weak and strong atomic forces, and gravitation.  At the distances of the stars other than the sun and the aside from the sun and only one other heavenly body (the moon) the only physical force that could act upon people as could any astrological influences as they operate in astrology is gravitation.  (Tidal forces could be a reality in theory). The coins in a nearby  orderly's pocket have more gravitational influence upon a newborn child than any celestial body. Because mothers typically give birth to children inside buildings, any physical effect of electromagnetic radiation from the stars is muted -- and whether one is born at night under the stars or by day under the artificial light within a hospital ward would make a huge difference. Astrological effects would be just the same whether one is born in a subway tunnel or in an aircraft, which suggests that such things as  air, rock, soil, plants, water, and metal can't stop astrological effects.

Astrology is pseudo-scientific bunkum.