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Title: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two (Complete)
Post by: Platypus on June 05, 2009, 04:49:07 AM
GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: GMantis on June 05, 2009, 04:54:13 AM
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis
Steadily bringing Greece to a failed state status.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Gustaf on June 05, 2009, 05:47:44 AM
Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: big bad fab on June 05, 2009, 05:56:38 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: dead0man on June 05, 2009, 06:01:52 AM
Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Hash on June 05, 2009, 06:58:33 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Nhoj on June 05, 2009, 08:47:54 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: JWHart on June 05, 2009, 09:29:14 AM
Kostas Karamanlis


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 05, 2009, 09:46:44 AM
     Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: minionofmidas on June 05, 2009, 12:29:17 PM
Kostas Karamanlis


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 05, 2009, 01:17:00 PM
Karamanlis.

I didn't want to vote for him, but it's a protest vote against those who try to eliminate Morales. He has exactly the same legitimacy that Karamanlis, and I have nothing against his policies.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 05, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
Karamanlis belongs to the rather wretched New Democracy Party, enough reason to vote him out as well.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 05, 2009, 02:18:07 PM
Karamanlis


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 05, 2009, 02:28:53 PM
Karamanlis


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Edu on June 05, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
Kostas Karamanlis


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round One
Post by: Platypus on June 06, 2009, 07:45:13 AM
GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: big bad fab on June 06, 2009, 07:47:47 AM
Kirchner


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Hash on June 06, 2009, 07:55:55 AM
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 06, 2009, 08:14:01 AM
Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 06, 2009, 08:40:33 AM
Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: minionofmidas on June 06, 2009, 09:23:48 AM
Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Nhoj on June 06, 2009, 10:33:32 AM
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 06, 2009, 11:22:22 AM
Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Edu on June 06, 2009, 02:02:08 PM
Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: JWHart on June 06, 2009, 03:16:40 PM
Kirchner


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 06, 2009, 03:41:25 PM
     Kirchner


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Sensei on June 06, 2009, 05:16:07 PM
Martin Torrijos. He's no longer leading the motherland.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 06, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
Well he still is, but won't be in less than a month.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Sensei on June 06, 2009, 05:54:19 PM
Well he still is, but won't be in less than a month.
I spoke incorrectly, yes, Torrijos will be succeeded by supermarket tycoon Ricardo Martinelli soon enough. Only in Panama can the illegitimate son of a former military junta leader be elected in a landslide. The biggest FF military junta leader, but still.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Gustaf on June 06, 2009, 07:35:19 PM
Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 07, 2009, 03:11:20 AM
Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: dead0man on June 07, 2009, 07:41:14 AM
Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.
Kirchner for me as well, and with the same feeling.

What is everybody's problem with Ansip?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 07:43:30 AM
Kirchner, but I'm not enjoying my vote.
Kirchner for me as well, and with the same feeling.

What is everybody's problem with Ansip?
For me, his rather bad human rights record. I don't know about the others.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: dead0man on June 07, 2009, 07:50:33 AM
cite?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 07:55:25 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Night
Of course, his politics against Russians in general have been disgraceful. Of course, just like his predecessors.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: dead0man on June 07, 2009, 08:04:02 AM
Oh boy.  They moved...MOVED a symbol of Russian OCCUPATION of their country.  I know you have your pro-Russian spin on this, but holy hell man, can't you feel a little sympathy for a people occupied by a foreign invader for half a century?  Especially since they're one of the most free nations in the world since?  cite (http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 08:12:05 AM
Oh boy.  They moved...MOVED a symbol of Russian OCCUPATION of their country.  I know you have your pro-Russian spin on this, but holy hell man, can't you feel a little sympathy for a people occupied by a foreign invader for half a century?  Especially since they're one of the most free nations in the world since?  cite (http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html)
And for most Russians this was a symbol of the liberation from Nazi germany. Grave desecration is never defensible, especially when done for spiteful political reasons. I could sympathize with the Estonians if they hadn't led a systematic anti-Russian campaign since Independence, of which this incident is just one of the more blatant.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: dead0man on June 07, 2009, 08:21:53 AM
Again, they were OCCUPIED by these people for a half of century, how welcoming should they be?  If the moving of a statue and a reburial is the worst thing the govt of Estonia has done to the great Mother Russia she should feel fortunate.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 08:29:52 AM
Again, they were OCCUPIED by these people for a half of century, how welcoming should they be?  If the moving of a statue and a reburial is the worst thing the govt of Estonia has done to the great Mother Russia she should feel fortunate.
The occupiers (the Soviet troops) left after the Soviet Union fell. They're punishing people who have little to do with the crimes against Estonia. Many are just people who moved in Estonia for work or their children. For most Estonia is their home. A significant proportion supported Estonia's secession from the Soviet Union.
And it's not the worst thing they have done - depriving them of citizenship is much worse:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians_in_Estonia#Citizenship


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Edu on June 07, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
What is everybody's problem with Ansip?

No problem, i'm just trying to save Kirchner.

Wasted effort it seems :P


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: Gustaf on June 07, 2009, 11:23:52 AM
Hating Russians is not like hating Turks, of course.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 11:31:19 AM
Hating Russians is not like hating Turks, of course.
I don't hate Turks and I don't think they should be punishef for the crimes of the Ottoman Empire and Turkey.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Seven
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 07, 2009, 12:36:21 PM
I don't think GMantis has ever proposed denying citizenship to Bulgarian Turks.

The statue was a WWII memorial. It's not like it was a statue of Stalin or anything.

Estonia isn't as bad as Latvia in this sense, but still pretty bad, at least Lithuania accomadated its Russian citizens. A post-independence slogan by Latvian nationalists was "Suitcase. Station. Russia." Yeah that sounds fair and unxenophobic, demanding that people who were born there and from three-generation families leave to a place which they were hardly famiiar with, and people who suffered just as much under Soviet occupation as well.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Platypus on June 07, 2009, 01:15:16 PM
GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 07, 2009, 01:55:24 PM
Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 07, 2009, 02:14:23 PM
     Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: minionofmidas on June 07, 2009, 02:22:53 PM
Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: big bad fab on June 07, 2009, 02:48:34 PM
Estonia, come on.... aren't there far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: GMantis on June 07, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Estonia, come on.... aren't they far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.
What's so bad about him.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: big bad fab on June 07, 2009, 04:11:02 PM
Why Patrick Manning ?

He's wasting national resources in big projects that won't be good for his country.

And because it's useless to vote for Morales, as even a democrat in Estonia is worse than him for some posters... So...

You aren't ready to vote for Morales, whereas I voted for Garcia and I'm ready to vote for Taro Aso and even Lee.

I'm forced to pick others than those so-called rightists.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Nhoj on June 07, 2009, 04:47:23 PM
Evo Morales
but i have a low opinion of all the baltics as currently their economies are all in dump badly. which im sure a good portion of that blame lays at the feet of their governments.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: big bad fab on June 07, 2009, 06:12:50 PM
Estonia, come on.... aren't they far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.

No, it's not possible.

I claim immunity for Andrus Ansip.
And so, I don't vote for Manning.

Please go after real horrible conservatives (or converted conservatives), like Taro Aso or Lee Myung-Bak or Alan Garcia.
Or even Juncker, if you want to keep on the series of Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and Andorra. I would agree.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 07, 2009, 10:11:01 PM
Patrick Manning


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Platypus on June 07, 2009, 10:54:21 PM
Estonia, come on.... aren't they far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.

No, it's not possible.

I claim immunity for Andrus Ansip.
And so, I don't vote for Manning.

Please go after real horrible conservatives (or converted conservatives), like Taro Aso or Lee Myung-Bak or Alan Garcia.
Or even Juncker, if you want to keep on the series of Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and Andorra. I would agree.

Claiming immunity is next round, not this one :)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: JWHart on June 07, 2009, 11:29:23 PM
Patrick Manning


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: big bad fab on June 08, 2009, 02:17:36 AM
Estonia, come on.... aren't they far worse leaders to pick....

Patrick Manning.

No, it's not possible.

I claim immunity for Andrus Ansip.
And so, I don't vote for Manning.

Please go after real horrible conservatives (or converted conservatives), like Taro Aso or Lee Myung-Bak or Alan Garcia.
Or even Juncker, if you want to keep on the series of Liechtenstein, San Marino, Monaco and Andorra. I would agree.

Claiming immunity is next round, not this one :)

Holy sh**t, so... farewell Andrus Ansip....
I'm sorry, Hughento, a long election night made me screw up all this...

I keep my vote for Patrick Manning.

Please, moderates from all sides, join our protest vote against the pick of Ansip, which would be a shame.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Gustaf on June 08, 2009, 03:51:08 AM
Manning


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 08, 2009, 06:09:09 AM
Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Eight
Post by: dead0man on June 08, 2009, 06:18:29 AM
Manning


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Platypus on June 08, 2009, 08:24:24 PM
GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip - IMMUNE
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

In this round, the first poster (who hasn't done the same in Group B) to claim immunity for a leader will be granted it, but at the cost of their vote - so only call immunity if you're OK with being disenfranchised :D
Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Hash on June 08, 2009, 08:48:31 PM
immune- Andrus Ansip


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 08, 2009, 09:12:00 PM
Calderon


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Nhoj on June 08, 2009, 09:51:31 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 08, 2009, 10:26:50 PM
     Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: JWHart on June 08, 2009, 11:43:21 PM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: big bad fab on June 09, 2009, 01:54:11 AM
Thanks Hash, you're the best.

Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: GMantis on June 09, 2009, 01:59:01 AM
Felipe Calderon


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: big bad fab on June 09, 2009, 02:43:23 AM
I'm sorry but I can't prevent myself from saying that picking Calderon is only ideological.

As for me, I haven't proposed to pick Christofias, communist head of state of Cyprus.

He's communist (and the first communist head of state in a EU country), but that's fine, since he's the first to really try to put an end to the division of Cyprus.
It's in the other group and I would vote for Garcia or Aso before voting for Christofias.

That's just an example...


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: GMantis on June 09, 2009, 02:47:42 AM
I'm sorry but I can't prevent myself from saying that picking Calderon is only ideological.

As for me, I haven't proposed to pick Christofias, communist head of state of Cyprus.

He's communist (and the first communist head of state in a EU country), but that's fine, since he's the first to really try to put an end to the division of Cyprus.
It's in the other group and I would vote for Garcia or Aso before voting for Christofias.

That's just an example...
Calderon has not been exactly successful at dealing with the drug problem in Mexico and in any case I prefer Morales, the first truly representative Bolivian leader.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: big bad fab on June 09, 2009, 03:08:13 AM
I'm sorry but I can't prevent myself from saying that picking Calderon is only ideological.

As for me, I haven't proposed to pick Christofias, communist head of state of Cyprus.

He's communist (and the first communist head of state in a EU country), but that's fine, since he's the first to really try to put an end to the division of Cyprus.
It's in the other group and I would vote for Garcia or Aso before voting for Christofias.

That's just an example...
Calderon has not been exactly successful at dealing with the drug problem in Mexico and in any case I prefer Morales, the first truly representative Bolivian leader.
Calderon seems to be the first to really try to deal with drug... So, it's a good point.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: dead0man on June 09, 2009, 03:58:52 AM
Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Gustaf on June 09, 2009, 06:13:32 AM
Calderon may not be perfect but Morales is screwing up Bolivia worse. Mexico's drug problems is not really Calderon's fault either, it has to do with the drug trade shifting away from Colombia and suppliers in general, from what I've read.

So Morales it is. It really is time for him to go...


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: GMantis on June 09, 2009, 06:51:35 AM
Calderon may not be perfect but Morales is screwing up Bolivia worse. Mexico's drug problems is not really Calderon's fault either, it has to do with the drug trade shifting away from Colombia and suppliers in general, from what I've read.

So Morales it is. It really is time for him to go...
How is he screwing Bolivia? Is trying to rule Bolivia for the benefit of most of the population instead of just a few screwing up the country?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 09, 2009, 07:27:54 AM
Felipe Calderon


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 09, 2009, 10:48:49 AM
I could never figure out what any big problem with Morales was beyond "OMG LEFT WING LEADER IN SOUTH AMERICA, MUST BE CHAVEZ CLONE!" nonsense.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: big bad fab on June 09, 2009, 11:43:07 AM
I could never figure out what any big problem with Morales was beyond "OMG LEFT WING LEADER IN SOUTH AMERICA, MUST BE CHAVEZ CLONE!" nonsense.
Just the likely future: nationalizing too much (please note I haven't written "at all") may weaken economic development in a land which isn't easy (no sea coast, high mountains and thick forest).
Remember nationalizations aren't only against big "predator" companies, but also against middle companies from Brazil, Argentina or else.

His land reform cannot be contested on principle, but the implementation seems to be a bit harsh.

And Morales has unfortunately begun to take the Chavist path: modify the constitution whenever you wish to...
That's why I have already made a difference between Morales and Correa.
Correa has refused to take this path.

Plus (but that's a minor point), coca may be a traditional local culture, but, when you're a head of state, you aren't an ad-man for drugs. Morales has big views on globalization, developement, democracy: he can't say he isn't aware of the bad effect of doing this (like Mbeki having been... unclear on HIV).



Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Twenty-Nine
Post by: Edu on June 09, 2009, 03:19:03 PM
Felipe Calderon (In protest over the Morales votes, and the Kirchner votes 2 rounds ago :P lol)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Platypus on June 09, 2009, 07:02:43 PM
GROUP A

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Speed of Sound on June 09, 2009, 07:05:20 PM
Samoa, for sure......what a doozy of a name.....o_O


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Hash on June 09, 2009, 07:21:00 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Nhoj on June 09, 2009, 07:41:53 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 09, 2009, 09:01:51 PM
     Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: JWHart on June 09, 2009, 09:25:01 PM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: dead0man on June 09, 2009, 11:16:00 PM
Ernest Bai Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 09, 2009, 11:34:20 PM
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: big bad fab on June 10, 2009, 01:57:27 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 10, 2009, 07:54:06 AM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


And Morales has unfortunately begun to take the Chavist path: modify the constitution whenever you wish to...
That's why I have already made a difference between Morales and Correa.
Correa has refused to take this path.
If I'm not wrong, Sarkozy also modified the French constitution in 2008. Chirac and Jospin also did it as De Gaulle in 1962. Are all this people dangerous chavists ?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: GMantis on June 10, 2009, 08:01:30 AM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: big bad fab on June 10, 2009, 08:12:44 AM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


And Morales has unfortunately begun to take the Chavist path: modify the constitution whenever you wish to...
That's why I have already made a difference between Morales and Correa.
Correa has refused to take this path.
If I'm not wrong, Sarkozy also modified the French constitution in 2008. Chirac and Jospin also did it as De Gaulle in 1962. Are all this people dangerous chavists ?

Constitutional amendments weren't really the same, far from it...!

Read a bit about Chavez, you'll understand that it's an "asymptotic" dictature: never really a complete dictature, but an always deeper authoritarianism, with courts and electoral commission more and more packed with "friends", with governors or mayors elected and then suspended when tehy are not Chavistas, with a presidential mandate longer and longer, with trade unions more and more controlled, with Chavistas brigades which have law powers in some parts of everyday life, with a use of PVDSA and its "benefits" without any transparency and in a more and more bureaucratic way, etc.

What Chavez has created is the fact that his power lies in a continuous process towards dictature, not a real dictature but a dictature in the making, without never reaching it, making him able to say that this is still a democracy, only because there are elections and opposition parties are not completely forbidden.

It's very clever, because you always hope it will improve or go back a little bit, when oil prices will rebound, when Bush will be out, when I don't know what.
But it keeps going down and down.

Unfortunately, Morales seems to take the same path: it's a disappointment.
I wouldn't say the same of Correa, though, who seems to respect democracy.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: minionofmidas on June 10, 2009, 10:44:21 AM
Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 10, 2009, 04:43:50 PM
Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: Edu on June 10, 2009, 05:36:36 PM
Sanjaagiin Bayar


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Platypus on June 11, 2009, 01:45:20 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-One

Section One
Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Section Two
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

In this round, you have a vote in both sections of the group; two leaders will be eliminated
Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty
Post by: big bad fab on June 11, 2009, 01:48:34 AM
Section one: Evo Morales
Section two: Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: GMantis on June 11, 2009, 01:58:47 AM
Section one: Andrus Ansip
Section two: Manny Moni


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 11, 2009, 03:35:34 AM
Ansip
Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: minionofmidas on June 11, 2009, 04:21:54 AM
Ansip
Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: dead0man on June 11, 2009, 05:13:41 AM
1.Rafael Correa
2.Ernest Bai Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Hash on June 11, 2009, 07:02:53 AM
Evo Morales
Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Nhoj on June 11, 2009, 08:57:10 AM
Evo Morales
Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: JWHart on June 11, 2009, 10:55:24 AM
Section 1: David Thompson
Section 2: Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 11, 2009, 11:31:50 AM
     Evo Morales & Ernest Bai Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 11, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
Ansip
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Speed of Sound on June 11, 2009, 01:14:50 PM
Andrus Ansip
Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Gustaf on June 11, 2009, 02:58:44 PM
Morales
Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Edu on June 11, 2009, 03:01:07 PM
Andrus Ansip

Alan Garcia


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: SUSAN CRUSHBONE on June 11, 2009, 07:05:36 PM
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-One
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 11, 2009, 08:20:50 PM
God, keeping Morales alive is getting difficult.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Platypus on June 12, 2009, 02:33:37 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Two

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip-eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 12, 2009, 02:43:57 AM
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: big bad fab on June 12, 2009, 03:01:58 AM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: dead0man on June 12, 2009, 05:37:23 AM
...and the leader of the freest country in the world goes down.  Asshats.

Meanwhile, the leader of 109th freest country in the world is still there.

Ernest Bai Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hash on June 12, 2009, 06:48:17 AM
Thanks, lefties.

Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Nhoj on June 12, 2009, 09:28:51 AM
estonia is the freest country in the world? if so that list is flawed, not that that excuses voting him off so early.

Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: dead0man on June 12, 2009, 09:42:08 AM
estonia is the freest country in the world? if so that list is flawed, not that that excuses voting him off so early.
link (http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/report/rankings.html)

Not that having the overall freest nation in the world makes their leader the best, but it certainly has to be considered.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hash on June 12, 2009, 09:43:27 AM
Estonia certainly is a great country, but it can't be the freest in the world solely because of the way they treat ethnic Russians in Estonia.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Gustaf on June 12, 2009, 12:03:05 PM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: JWHart on June 12, 2009, 01:32:06 PM
Tuilaepa Lupesoliai Sailele Malielegaoi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: minionofmidas on June 12, 2009, 02:57:15 PM
The Samoan.

Taro Aso next round, please.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 12, 2009, 03:13:35 PM
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi

(not sure which of those is his last name...)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: GMantis on June 12, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
Tuilaepa Lupesoliai Sailele Malielegaoi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: big bad fab on June 12, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
I look forward to the final Obama-Morales: I will be so happy to vote to oust Obama ;)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 12, 2009, 10:35:13 PM
     Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: minionofmidas on June 13, 2009, 03:36:28 AM
I look forward to the final Obama-Morales: I will be so happy to vote to oust Obama ;)
No, I intend to fall off the bandwagon as soon as we get to the final round. ;D


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: minionofmidas on June 13, 2009, 04:07:13 AM
Immunity Morales.

Damn. Too early. Need to look more closely what I'm doing.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Three
Post by: Platypus on June 13, 2009, 04:07:39 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Three

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales -IMMUNE
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip-eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Moni
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

This is an immunity round. The first voter to claim immunity will be able to grant it to a leader of their choice, as long as they haven't claimed immunity in Group B. There are no other restrictions.
Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: minionofmidas on June 13, 2009, 04:08:01 AM
Immunity Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: GMantis on June 13, 2009, 04:08:13 AM
Manny Moni


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Platypus on June 13, 2009, 04:08:38 AM

You can also vote :)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: GMantis on June 13, 2009, 04:10:33 AM
That's what I was planing to do if you weren't 5 seconds faster :)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: minionofmidas on June 13, 2009, 04:12:02 AM

Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hash on June 13, 2009, 06:19:22 AM
Urgh, the Morales love-fest continues.

Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: dead0man on June 13, 2009, 06:34:14 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hash on June 13, 2009, 06:42:30 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)

... still using the ranking which put Estonia as freest?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: GMantis on June 13, 2009, 07:01:12 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)

... still using the ranking which put Estonia as freest?
He used it because it was made by a libertarian think tank.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: dead0man on June 13, 2009, 07:31:22 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)

... still using the ranking which put Estonia as freest?
He used it because it was made by a libertarian think tank.
Actually Google had a lot more to do with it than being "libertarian" but nice try!

Do either of you have a better one?  Remember, libertarians are lazy too (just like everybody else).


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Hash on June 13, 2009, 08:00:14 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)

... still using the ranking which put Estonia as freest?
He used it because it was made by a libertarian think tank.

And Estonia's senior ruling party is none other than the Reform Party, a very right-wing liberal party. What a coincidence!



Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: big bad fab on June 13, 2009, 08:39:43 AM
It's so stupid about Morales.
And I wanted to vote for Aso again.

So Correa as a protest vote.



Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Nhoj on June 13, 2009, 09:49:17 AM
Ernest Bai Koroma (still the 109th freest country in the world...next closest left in either group? India at 78)
your baseing your entire voting off that list? thats very may i say stupid. because you arent going going on how good the leaders are but rather how far their country ranks on some hack list.

anyways. Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: dead0man on June 13, 2009, 09:54:02 AM
No, not entirely (feel free to go back and check).  It's just a cheat sheet for the first 2/3rds of the list.  I don't know very many of these dudes, how would I know who to look at?  Wait for other posters?  How is that any different than a "hack" list?

(and sometimes I'm just lazy)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 13, 2009, 10:48:01 AM
That list is so stupid, it actually uses crap like taxe rates in determining how free a country is. Is Russia more free than Norway? Anyway that ranking is hardly Koroma's fault, who is basically the single best leader that country has ever had.

Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Nhoj on June 13, 2009, 10:51:56 AM
No, not entirely (feel free to go back and check).  It's just a cheat sheet for the first 2/3rds of the list.  I don't know very many of these dudes, how would I know who to look at?  Wait for other posters?  How is that any different than a "hack" list?

(and sometimes I'm just lazy)
no i can understand being lazy i can be too on this. but for singh in india i mean seriously if your useing that list as your reason to vote for him that is terrible reason.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: JWHart on June 13, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
Manny Mori


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 13, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
     Koroma


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Two
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 14, 2009, 04:35:14 AM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Platypus on June 15, 2009, 03:18:27 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Four

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip-eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: GMantis on June 15, 2009, 03:19:33 AM
Manny Moni


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: big bad fab on June 15, 2009, 03:22:27 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 15, 2009, 03:50:08 AM
Manny Mori


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Hash on June 15, 2009, 06:25:12 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: JWHart on June 15, 2009, 11:27:53 AM
Manny Mori


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: minionofmidas on June 15, 2009, 12:24:29 PM
Manny Mori. Not a real country, after all.

Though one of my favorite non-real countries. :)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Sbane on June 15, 2009, 12:42:20 PM

No, not entirely (feel free to go back and check).  It's just a cheat sheet for the first 2/3rds of the list.  I don't know very many of these dudes, how would I know who to look at?  Wait for other posters?  How is that any different than a "hack" list?

(and sometimes I'm just lazy)
no i can understand being lazy i can be too on this. but for singh in india i mean seriously if your useing that list as your reason to vote for him that is terrible reason.

Exactly. I would think Deadoman would like Singh since he has been one of the people on the forefront trying to liberalize India's economy. But he has to stick to his silly little list. I am not surprised that a libertarian list would say India isn't free. After all India is a populist country through and through. 


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: dead0man on June 15, 2009, 01:16:49 PM

No, not entirely (feel free to go back and check).  It's just a cheat sheet for the first 2/3rds of the list.  I don't know very many of these dudes, how would I know who to look at?  Wait for other posters?  How is that any different than a "hack" list?

(and sometimes I'm just lazy)
no i can understand being lazy i can be too on this. but for singh in india i mean seriously if your useing that list as your reason to vote for him that is terrible reason.

Exactly. I would think Deadoman would like Singh since he has been one of the people on the forefront trying to liberalize India's economy. But he has to stick to his silly little list. I am not surprised that a libertarian list would say India isn't free. After all India is a populist country through and through. 
That was an ignorant vote on my part.  I realize that now.  Thank you guys for fighting my ignorance.  I will bury "the list".  For now on I will just vote against GMantis.

Mori is my vote this round.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 15, 2009, 02:44:27 PM
     Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 15, 2009, 03:16:22 PM
Manny Mori


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Four
Post by: Gustaf on June 16, 2009, 03:22:30 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Platypus on June 16, 2009, 07:53:42 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Five

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

In this round, you can either vote to save OR to eliminate. The leader with the highest total AFTER 'save' votes are counted will be eliminated.
Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: big bad fab on June 16, 2009, 08:08:36 AM
To eliminate: Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: JWHart on June 16, 2009, 09:07:44 AM
To eliminate: David Thompson

Spencer actually sounds pretty cool, minor country notwithstanding


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 16, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
save: Evo morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Nhoj on June 16, 2009, 10:32:18 AM
To eliminate: David Thompson


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: big bad fab on June 16, 2009, 10:34:16 AM
To eliminate: David Thompson

Spencer actually sounds pretty cool, minor country notwithstanding

? And Thompson doesn't sound cool ?
It seems Barbados is better managed than Antigua, that's what I see...


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: minionofmidas on June 16, 2009, 12:17:05 PM
to eliminate: Dean Barrow


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 16, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
To eliminate: Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 16, 2009, 03:11:20 PM
     To eliminate: David Thompson


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Hash on June 16, 2009, 04:07:05 PM
Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: GMantis on June 17, 2009, 02:54:15 AM
To eliminate: David Thompson


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - Round Thirty-Five
Post by: Gustaf on June 17, 2009, 05:18:25 AM
Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Platypus on June 17, 2009, 09:44:54 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Six

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip-eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Nhoj on June 17, 2009, 09:45:54 AM
Martin Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: JWHart on June 17, 2009, 09:49:31 AM
Martin Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: big bad fab on June 17, 2009, 10:33:13 AM
OMG, would everybody be OK for the 1st time ?

Fortunately, I wasn't the first to vote for Torrijos....

So, with great pleasure, Martin Torrijos.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: big bad fab on June 17, 2009, 10:37:41 AM
Just a question:
Was Torrijos a worse leader than Morales ?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: GMantis on June 17, 2009, 10:50:19 AM
Martin Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 17, 2009, 11:16:46 AM
Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Hash on June 17, 2009, 11:42:06 AM
Since Torrijos is dead anyways, Evo Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 17, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
     Martin Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: big bad fab on June 18, 2009, 02:14:50 AM
Boys and girls (not many around here, sigh),

Maybe you can see on the left of this message that I'm about to post my 1000th little silliness, so, can't you all agree to make me a little present, a big surprise, by ousting Morales next round ? ;D

At least, I try to laugh a bit, for fear to have to cry, with Ansip, Dombrovskis, David Thompson,  or others out and Morales still there... ;)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Gustaf on June 18, 2009, 04:30:32 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: dead0man on June 18, 2009, 07:46:36 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SIX
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 18, 2009, 10:11:57 AM
Martin Torrijos


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Platypus on June 18, 2009, 11:07:14 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Seven

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip-eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: JWHart on June 18, 2009, 11:10:40 AM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on June 18, 2009, 11:31:03 AM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 18, 2009, 11:32:48 AM
Tara Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: GMantis on June 18, 2009, 01:29:34 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 18, 2009, 01:36:48 PM
     Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Nhoj on June 18, 2009, 01:54:30 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on June 18, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Aso over Morales? No way is that not ridiculous...

I vote Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: GMantis on June 18, 2009, 03:43:03 PM
Aso over Morales? No way is that not ridiculous...

I vote Morales.
Again, one must look at what a leader has done for his country. Japan is not the way it is today because of Taro Aso.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on June 18, 2009, 04:48:27 PM
Evo Morales.

Don't try to explain why you vote Aso over Morales: some of you are ready to vote whatever is still alive just not to oust Morales...
Sure, Aso is an horrible Japanese PM and I was ready to oust him.
But this Morales situation is so stupid (even Torrijos is out before him !!! and with leftists' votes !!!), that I will keep voting in protest.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on June 19, 2009, 03:14:20 AM
Aso over Morales? No way is that not ridiculous...

I vote Morales.
Again, one must look at what a leader has done for his country. Japan is not the way it is today because of Taro Aso.

You think Morales is making his country a better place? Then I guess you are entitled to your opinion. However, we have already been over this discussion and I noted that no one actually adressed the glaring inconsistencies in the standard you are defending.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: dead0man on June 19, 2009, 07:45:40 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: ?????????? on June 19, 2009, 09:13:00 AM
Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 19, 2009, 09:30:20 AM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on June 19, 2009, 09:47:55 AM
I have been defending him, but now it's a good time to kick him out.

Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 19, 2009, 09:50:51 AM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Zarn on June 19, 2009, 10:05:30 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Erc on June 19, 2009, 10:36:00 AM
Morales.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 19, 2009, 10:54:58 AM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 19, 2009, 04:31:35 PM
Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 19, 2009, 05:09:53 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 19, 2009, 07:27:35 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on June 19, 2009, 08:17:04 PM
I get the impression that more people than usual are voting today :P


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Nhoj on June 19, 2009, 08:21:32 PM
I get the impression that more people than usual are voting today :P

yeah i get that impression too, im thinking somebody must have pmed a few people.
also i kinda wonder where hugento is hes rather late today.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 19, 2009, 08:44:35 PM
Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-SEVEN
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 20, 2009, 12:09:29 PM
Evo Morales


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Platypus on June 20, 2009, 12:31:03 PM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Eight

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: GMantis on June 20, 2009, 12:55:34 PM
So now that the Right has been satisfied, can we go back to throwing out incompetent leaders - even if they lead rich countries?
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: big bad fab on June 20, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
OK for incompetent leaders.
Again, I was OK for Aso, many rounds ago. But this Morales stupidity has been too long.
And Ansip is out... OMG: probably an incompetent leader from a rich country.

So, for now, I vote:
Baldwin Spencer.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: big bad fab on June 20, 2009, 01:54:43 PM
OK for incompetent leaders.
Again, I was OK for Aso, many rounds ago. But this Morales stupidity has been too long. And Ansip is out... OMG
So, for now, I vote:

Baldwin Spencer.

But if Aso is stil here on next round, I promise to vote for him. And that's not irony.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: big bad fab on June 20, 2009, 01:58:01 PM
OK for incompetent leaders.
Again, I was OK for Aso, many rounds ago. But this Morales stupidity has been too long.
And Ansip is out... OMG: probably an incompetent leader from a rich country.

So, for now, I vote:
Baldwin Spencer.

My edit was only to add "probably an incompetent leader from a riche country" after Ansip.
Make no mistake, dear organizer-in-chief! ;)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 20, 2009, 03:05:57 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 20, 2009, 05:14:01 PM
     YES!

     Taro Aso.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 20, 2009, 05:15:36 PM
Baldwin Spencer.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Edu on June 20, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 20, 2009, 06:30:23 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Nhoj on June 20, 2009, 11:57:06 PM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: JWHart on June 21, 2009, 12:52:09 AM
Taro Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Gustaf on June 21, 2009, 04:06:38 AM
Aso may not be good but I am not going to go at him just yet. Spencer for now.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: minionofmidas on June 21, 2009, 04:21:58 AM
Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-EIGHT
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 21, 2009, 10:04:57 AM
Aso


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Platypus on June 21, 2009, 11:44:59 AM
GROUP A Round Thirty-Nine

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

In this round, you can only vote for non-eliminated leaders who received votes in the last round. They are highlighted above.
Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Nhoj on June 21, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: minionofmidas on June 21, 2009, 12:11:41 PM
Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

In Round 39, every leader who doesn't receive any votes in round 38 will be immune.

Oughtn't this to have been reposted here - the list of valid vote options is Spencer and Balkenende only.

And I vote to eliminate Balkenende.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Hash on June 21, 2009, 12:30:15 PM
Spencer.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: GMantis on June 21, 2009, 12:54:25 PM
Jan Peter Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 21, 2009, 12:59:14 PM


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 21, 2009, 01:08:48 PM
Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 21, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: jeron on June 21, 2009, 02:27:12 PM
Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: big bad fab on June 21, 2009, 02:54:50 PM
Baldwin Spencer.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 21, 2009, 03:01:23 PM
     Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Edu on June 21, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: JWHart on June 22, 2009, 12:02:08 AM
Balkenende


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 22, 2009, 12:25:27 AM
Baldwin Spencer is a Freedom Fighter. He is one of the world's top defenders of online gambling.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Gustaf on June 22, 2009, 02:34:15 AM
And the ridiculousness continues...pray tell, what did Balknende do to destroy the Netherlands...

Anyway, I vote Spencer.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: minionofmidas on June 22, 2009, 05:51:30 AM
And the ridiculousness continues...pray tell, what did Balknende do to destroy the Netherlands...

Anyway, I vote Spencer.
What has he done that didn't aim in that direction?

Honestly, I can't think of anything.

The Spencer admin has done a good job cleaning up what used to be the shittiest and most corrupt place among the tiny ex-British countries in the Caribbean under Bird's semidemocratic rule.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: big bad fab on June 22, 2009, 06:20:00 AM
And the ridiculousness continues...pray tell, what did Balknende do to destroy the Netherlands...

Anyway, I vote Spencer.
What has he done that didn't aim in that direction?

Honestly, I can't think of anything.

The Spencer admin has done a good job cleaning up what used to be the shittiest and most corrupt place among the tiny ex-British countries in the Caribbean under Bird's semidemocratic rule.
Ah yes, Balkenende isn't Gandhi+Helmut Schmidt in one person. So he must be voted out...

If you want to have Balkenende out, I hope you will vote for Jose Socrates next round, who wasted UE money and recent Portuguese growth by doing nothing that didn't aim in a good direction for Portugal.
No ? What a surprise...


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: JWHart on June 22, 2009, 11:10:41 AM
And the ridiculousness continues...pray tell, what did Balknende do to destroy the Netherlands...

Anyway, I vote Spencer.

What did Spencer do, aside from lead a "joke county"?

If not for rules for this round I'd probably have chosen Gruevski.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND THIRTY-NINE
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 22, 2009, 11:35:29 AM
Balkenende


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Post by: Platypus on June 22, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
GROUP A Round Forty

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leaders you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: big bad fab on June 22, 2009, 12:51:49 PM
Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: Nhoj on June 22, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: minionofmidas on June 22, 2009, 01:36:29 PM
I was going to vote for Dean Barrow because I had this view of Belize as a joke country, but I 've just read up on him and now I don't feel like doing so.
What is Socrates supposed to have done that's so horrible? Give me a good argument and I might vote for him. Otherwise, I have a few more people on here beyond Balkenende that I don't like - Lee, Johnson-Sirleaf, Gruevski.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: JWHart on June 22, 2009, 02:03:07 PM
Nikola Gruevski


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Post by: Hash on June 22, 2009, 02:25:44 PM
Rafael Correa


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Post by: Nhoj on June 22, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
I was going to vote for Dean Barrow because I had this view of Belize as a joke country, but I 've just read up on him and now I don't feel like doing so.
What is Socrates supposed to have done that's so horrible? Give me a good argument and I might vote for him. Otherwise, I have a few more people on here beyond Balkenende that I don't like - Lee, Johnson-Sirleaf, Gruevski.
what do you have against Johnson-Sirleaf? shes got to be one of the best leaders Liberia has had in some time. but i dont know all that much about her.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: minionofmidas on June 22, 2009, 02:29:22 PM
I'm very suspicious of worldbank etc people getting into third world politics. Especially if they're very much the North's anointed candidates. These institutions are basically the heart of darkness as far as "development" corruption goes. Besides, I liked George Weah as a player. :D


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: Erc on June 22, 2009, 02:36:45 PM
Rafael Correa.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: big bad fab on June 22, 2009, 02:44:08 PM
I was going to vote for Dean Barrow because I had this view of Belize as a joke country, but I 've just read up on him and now I don't feel like doing so.
What is Socrates supposed to have done that's so horrible? Give me a good argument and I might vote for him. Otherwise, I have a few more people on here beyond Balkenende that I don't like - Lee, Johnson-Sirleaf, Gruevski.
Portugal's economy is stalled for some years now, despite huge EU funds: contrary to Spain or even Greece, Portugal hasn't been able to come closer to EU average in living standards.
His government wastes EU money, doesn't reform and spends too much.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: dead0man on June 22, 2009, 03:13:37 PM
Correa


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Post by: tmthforu94 on June 22, 2009, 03:25:47 PM


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 22, 2009, 03:27:45 PM
Correa....


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Post by: Keystone Phil on June 22, 2009, 03:57:14 PM
Correa


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Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 22, 2009, 04:00:20 PM
Rafael Correa


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Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 22, 2009, 04:38:28 PM
Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: pogo stick on June 22, 2009, 04:53:57 PM


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 22, 2009, 06:44:42 PM
     Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: ?????????? on June 22, 2009, 09:21:08 PM
Rafael Correa


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Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 22, 2009, 09:41:05 PM
Gruevski


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Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 22, 2009, 11:09:11 PM
Rafael Correa


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 23, 2009, 05:50:13 AM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY
Post by: GMantis on June 23, 2009, 10:03:03 AM
Lee Myung-Bak


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Platypus on June 23, 2009, 03:17:58 PM
GROUP A Round Forty-One

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

In this round, you can vote either one full vote for one leader, or two half votes for two leaders.
Vote for the leader/s you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: minionofmidas on June 23, 2009, 03:18:41 PM
Half votes for Lee and Johnson-Sirleaf.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: big bad fab on June 23, 2009, 03:26:28 PM
One full vote for

Socrates.

He has wasted Portuguese growth and European money.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Hash on June 23, 2009, 03:29:22 PM
Lee Myung-Bak / Lula
 


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Nhoj on June 23, 2009, 04:11:09 PM
half votes for Jose Socrates and Lee Myung-Bak


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 23, 2009, 04:44:10 PM
Socrate


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 23, 2009, 04:58:02 PM
     Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 23, 2009, 09:10:10 PM
Lee Myung-Bak


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: JWHart on June 23, 2009, 10:40:18 PM
Half votes for:
Lee Myung-Bak
Nikola Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 23, 2009, 11:22:04 PM
Gruevski and Lee


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Gustaf on June 24, 2009, 06:08:13 AM
Juncker
Spencer


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Post by: GMantis on June 24, 2009, 10:01:37 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


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Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 24, 2009, 12:04:15 PM
Lee/Spencer


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Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 24, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
Lee


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-ONE
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 24, 2009, 06:19:17 PM
Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Platypus on June 24, 2009, 11:50:41 PM
GROUP A Round Forty-Two

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 25, 2009, 12:41:59 AM
     Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: big bad fab on June 25, 2009, 01:45:13 AM
Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Edu on June 25, 2009, 02:39:02 AM
Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 25, 2009, 08:21:14 AM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: JWHart on June 25, 2009, 09:32:21 AM
Gruevski


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Post by: Hash on June 25, 2009, 10:00:36 AM
The Saviour of the World and the 8th Wonder of the World, Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Nhoj on June 25, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
Jose Socrates


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: minionofmidas on June 25, 2009, 11:07:35 AM
Nikola Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 25, 2009, 11:21:11 AM
Nikola Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-TWO
Post by: GMantis on June 25, 2009, 03:05:10 PM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Platypus on June 26, 2009, 12:20:24 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Three

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 4 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 26, 2009, 12:29:21 AM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 26, 2009, 12:33:00 AM
Jean-Claude Juncker


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 26, 2009, 12:35:04 AM
     Zapatero


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Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 26, 2009, 01:19:51 AM
Jean-Claude Juncker


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: big bad fab on June 26, 2009, 01:44:52 AM
Juncker

Luxemburg is just a big and more hypocritical Liechtenstein and Juncker its big defender.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Edu on June 26, 2009, 03:14:16 AM
Jean-Claude Juncker


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Hash on June 26, 2009, 06:38:39 AM
Fine, Juncker.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: JWHart on June 26, 2009, 11:36:36 AM
Nikola Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Nhoj on June 26, 2009, 11:38:00 AM
ean-Claude Juncker


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Post by: minionofmidas on June 26, 2009, 12:30:45 PM
Gruevski


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Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 26, 2009, 01:09:27 PM
Gruevski


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Post by: dead0man on June 27, 2009, 02:05:16 AM
Junker


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Post by: tmthforu94 on June 27, 2009, 10:00:39 AM
Junker


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Post by: Gustaf on June 27, 2009, 11:15:52 AM
Gruevski, to be contrarian. I hate Juncker.


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Post by: GMantis on June 27, 2009, 03:18:45 PM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-THREE
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 28, 2009, 01:23:01 PM
Lula


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Platypus on June 29, 2009, 02:19:34 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Four

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: big bad fab on June 29, 2009, 02:21:11 AM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: GMantis on June 29, 2009, 03:10:43 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Gustaf on June 29, 2009, 03:15:09 AM
Lula. Why not a corrupt mediocre left-winged leader for a change?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 29, 2009, 05:18:00 AM
Gruevski


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Post by: Rowan on June 29, 2009, 05:55:20 AM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: minionofmidas on June 29, 2009, 07:44:25 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


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Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 29, 2009, 08:11:21 AM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: tmthforu94 on June 29, 2009, 09:56:46 AM

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: dead0man on June 29, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
Lula


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 29, 2009, 12:22:58 PM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


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Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on June 29, 2009, 12:44:39 PM
Lula


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 29, 2009, 01:09:23 PM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: JWHart on June 29, 2009, 02:36:51 PM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Hash on June 29, 2009, 02:44:04 PM
Lula


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 29, 2009, 03:43:45 PM
Gruevski


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Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 29, 2009, 05:01:07 PM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 29, 2009, 05:03:06 PM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Gustaf on June 29, 2009, 05:11:52 PM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Democratic Hawk on June 29, 2009, 05:54:47 PM
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva


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Post by: Lincoln Republican on June 29, 2009, 11:20:03 PM
Lula


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: GMantis on June 30, 2009, 01:40:56 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.
To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Platypus on June 30, 2009, 03:48:38 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Five

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Gustaf on June 30, 2009, 03:54:53 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.
To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.


I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: GMantis on June 30, 2009, 03:55:11 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: big bad fab on June 30, 2009, 03:58:49 AM
Baldwin Spencer

(for the same reasons as Tillman Thomas in the other group)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: GMantis on June 30, 2009, 04:28:07 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.
To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.


I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.
No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Hash on June 30, 2009, 08:08:36 AM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on June 30, 2009, 08:29:28 AM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Gustaf on June 30, 2009, 09:02:19 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.
To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.


I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.
No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.

Don't get mad, I don't really mind. But Yuschenko and Saakashvili are both against slavic unification. Croatia is of course an arch-enemy of any slavic supremacist with self-respect. Greece is a lot more western than most other East European countries (they hardly even count as such).

On the other hand you defended leaders like Lukaschenko and Putin and implied support for Serbian nationalism as well. You also didn't seem like you'd mind a Russian re-conquering of Estonia very much. And you admitted to hating the Turks. All in all, it certainly paints the picture of someone with a decided miltant bent for the slavic cause (I never seriously thought it had much to do with religion, apart from in a negative sense, perhaps).

It's not that I mind, really. Most people have some such feelings. I just thought it amusing that the two of you united behind Gruevski. In BRTD's case it is clearly anti-muslim bigotry behind it.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: GMantis on June 30, 2009, 09:34:52 AM
Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
By the way, I don't really understand why Gruevski is so unpopular. He hasn't even had time to do something bad, as he's been in power for only a short time.

I don't either. I don't understand Sirleaf either though, who is easily the best President Liberia has ever had.

See, we must measure leaders relative to their own country. Oh, wait....

Anyway, I guess you both share the muslim-hating orthodox christian-loving attitude to those leaders. I have more understanding for voting off Gruevski than Gordon Brown or Stephen Harper, that's for sure.
To a large extent I share Lewis' sentiment about leaders with connections with the world bank - they usually have terrible consequences in the long term.
And frankly, I hate my motives being guessed. You're not such a good mind reader. I have nothing against Muslim leaders and have no qualms about voting against orthodox christian leaders - check out who suggested that Bulgaria's prime minister be removed.


I didn't really comment on your motives. But apart from your own leader (which one often tends to dislike) you've defended every orthodox Christian (or perhaps Slavic, given how over-lapping these are) leader being voted off or criticized. And you have attacked most muslim leaders. Maybe it's just coincidences, but it does make for a clear pattern.

Anyway, Gruevski.
No, I voted for Karamanlis, Saakashvilli and Yushchenko as well. This makes it 4 out of 11 and since almost no one has voted for two of those, there isn't really a pattern of me defending Orthodox Christians leaders. About Slavic (rather stupid to say they are the same) leaders, in addition of Yushchenko and Stanishev, I've also supported the removal of the Croatian and Bosnian leaders (the later is also Orthodox). This makes it 4 out of 13 and considering that almost no one has voted for four of those, it makes seeing a pattern rather dubious.
Most of the Muslim leaders I've voted for are either dictators, corrupt monarchs and/or fundamentalists, which you know perfectly well since you voted for most of them as well. And I supported Nasheed, one of the few democratic Muslim leaders.

Don't get mad, I don't really mind. But Yuschenko and Saakashvili are both against slavic unification. Croatia is of course an arch-enemy of any slavic supremacist with self-respect. Greece is a lot more western than most other East European countries (they hardly even count as such).

On the other hand you defended leaders like Lukaschenko and Putin and implied support for Serbian nationalism as well. You also didn't seem like you'd mind a Russian re-conquering of Estonia very much. And you admitted to hating the Turks. All in all, it certainly paints the picture of someone with a decided miltant bent for the slavic cause (I never seriously thought it had much to do with religion, apart from in a negative sense, perhaps).

It's not that I mind, really. Most people have some such feelings. I just thought it amusing that the two of you united behind Gruevski. In BRTD's case it is clearly anti-muslim bigotry behind it.
Frankly, when you try to guess someone else's political positions, it usually doesn't turn out well. I don't support Slavic unification in any form or Panslavism in general, I haven't defended Lukashenko, I don't support Serbian nationalism (unless Serbian nationalism means Serbians not being expelled from their homes), I don't want Estonia to be reabsorbed into Russia (unless not treating their Russians as second class citizens means re-absorption into Russia), and there is a difference between hating Turkey and the Turks.
I am slightly pro-Slavic, but only to the extent that I like people who like people speaking languages similar to my own. My attitude towards Russia is quite a separate matter.
By the way, Gruevski formed a coalition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonian_parliamentary_election,_2006) with an Albanian party. Does this look like an Islamophobe?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on June 30, 2009, 09:49:35 AM
Gruevski

Wow, great turnout in the last round... It seems like the right finally got what it wanted. Strange things happen, isn't it ? ;)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: JWHart on June 30, 2009, 10:44:27 AM
Gruevski


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 30, 2009, 11:28:44 AM
What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Gustaf on June 30, 2009, 12:22:00 PM
What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow

Yes, just like George Bush's greatness explained his record approval rating a couple of years back. Have you ever constructed an argument that makes sense?

Anyway, GMantis, I never said you were a panslavist. As I said, we all have our preferences. It just sounded funny when you and BRTD both were so surprised at people disliking Gruevski, since you both have such pet peeves going in his favour, that's all.

I think you're getting a little too upset and not really seeing my point. It is certainly not that Gruevski is an islamophobe. I know BRTD will never understand a logical train of thought so I should probably stop now before the thread gets ruined. I didn't really think you would take such offense to be honest.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: GMantis on June 30, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
What has Gruevski done to any Muslims anyway? Nothing I've heard of, not that I know much about him in general. Fuad Sinoira is a Muslim btw if anyone remembers my dispute with Gustaf over him.

Oh and is Gustaf calling Gordon Brown some great leader? That's must explain why is so rabidly popular in the the UK after all, hahahaha.

Vote: Dean Barrow

Yes, just like George Bush's greatness explained his record approval rating a couple of years back. Have you ever constructed an argument that makes sense?

Anyway, GMantis, I never said you were a panslavist. As I said, we all have our preferences. It just sounded funny when you and BRTD both were so surprised at people disliking Gruevski, since you both have such pet peeves going in his favour, that's all.

I think you're getting a little too upset and not really seeing my point. It is certainly not that Gruevski is an islamophobe. I know BRTD will never understand a logical train of thought so I should probably stop now before the thread gets ruined. I didn't really think you would take such offense to be honest.
I wasn't upset. Just setting some things right.
Of course we have our own preferences. Sometimes they're not based on some overarching principle :)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: minionofmidas on June 30, 2009, 01:23:03 PM
Gruevski.

My reason is not actually anything he's done - I just don't have a high opinion of Macedonia's level of sovereignty.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FOUR
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on June 30, 2009, 04:32:59 PM
Rasmussen


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on June 30, 2009, 08:11:37 PM
     Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-FIVE
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 30, 2009, 09:28:14 PM
For the record I likely would've voted for Gruevski if not for Gustaf getting on my case, all I can see about him is that he's from the more conservative party in Macedonia, a valid reason. But I'm stubborn like that. The counter-analogy on Gordon Brown though is comically bad since the reason for Bush's approval ratings at the time is obvious. It's not like Brown is even right-wing or anything, he's just clearly a horrible leader. It is possible for a rich country to have a crappy leader after all. If Brown is so much better than Lula and the like, it would be nice to have some actual reasoning behind it, Lula easily was reelected in democratic elections after all, yet everyone knows what's going to happen when Brown has to stand for election...

Also if he's saying that my "support" of Gruevski is based on Islamophobia yet also admits Gruevski is not an Islamophobe, I have no clue what the point is.

P.S. I had never even heard of Gruevski before this game.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Platypus on July 01, 2009, 05:05:39 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Six

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: minionofmidas on July 01, 2009, 05:35:42 AM
Quote from: wikipedia
Executions are known to have been carried out in the following countries in 2007:

    Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, China, Egypt, Equatorial Guinea, Ethiopia, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, USA, Vietnam, Yemen.

Time to get rid of the last one of these disgusting hellholes.

Barack Obama.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Gustaf on July 01, 2009, 06:55:05 AM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Hash on July 01, 2009, 07:02:41 AM
Lawrence Gonzi

His Minister of Immigration or whatever is a real racist scumbag.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: GMantis on July 01, 2009, 07:56:30 AM
Baldwin Spencer
It seems everyone is in love with Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, so I'll try someone less popular.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Platypus on July 01, 2009, 08:02:16 AM
Baldwin Spencer
It seems everyone is in love with Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, so I'll try someone less popular.

Personally, i'd like to see at least one African make the last round,l and considering there are only three left, that's not gauranteed, especially when at least one in only still alive because they've been largely ignored.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 01, 2009, 10:59:13 AM
Dean Barrow.

Baldwin Spencer is awesome for basically trying to force other countries to legalize internet gambling. His strong support of that makes him a Freedom Fighter.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: JWHart on July 01, 2009, 12:21:19 PM
All over the board this time....

Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: big bad fab on July 01, 2009, 01:02:59 PM
Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 02, 2009, 01:28:58 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 02, 2009, 02:10:05 AM
     Barack Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: Nhoj on July 02, 2009, 02:52:24 AM
im back! Baldwin Spencer


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SIX
Post by: big bad fab on July 02, 2009, 05:15:58 AM
Are these the first votes to oust Obama ?

I'm relieved not to be the first to vote "for" him !
And Lewis Trondheim isn't especially a rightist... ;)
So, it's fine.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Platypus on July 02, 2009, 06:13:55 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Seven

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer -eliminated round 46
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -IMMUNE
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

This is an immunity round. The first person to claim immunity for a leader will be granted it; they will not, however, be able to vote to eliminate
Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 02, 2009, 06:18:31 AM
I vote for Werner Faymann

For some years now, SPö and öVP have only been able to give more votes to the extreme-right.
Their leaders aren't bright ones. Faymann makes no exception.

(no claim for immunity, even for Obama !)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Hash on July 02, 2009, 07:14:58 AM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 02, 2009, 08:09:41 AM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Sensei on July 02, 2009, 08:11:03 AM
Gusmao


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 02, 2009, 08:42:47 AM
Nice move. I regret not to be the first to vote for him !
Gusmao is a disappointment. Sure, it's not easy to create a new state, with such a help from the Inodnesian neighbour...
But some corruption, divisions, bad decisions, it's too much for the Great Freedom Hero of the last decade.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on July 02, 2009, 08:46:11 AM
Several good candidates for the boot here. I will give Gusmao the benefit of the doubt though (talk about tough situation) and cast my vote for Faymann.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 02, 2009, 09:29:20 AM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: JWHart on July 02, 2009, 10:25:38 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 02, 2009, 12:11:03 PM
Seeing that the immunity has not been used yet, I grant Gusmao immunity.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on July 02, 2009, 12:23:17 PM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 02, 2009, 01:37:35 PM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 02, 2009, 02:59:20 PM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Nhoj on July 02, 2009, 05:15:12 PM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Хahar 🤔 on July 02, 2009, 06:11:56 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 02, 2009, 09:25:35 PM
     Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: GMantis on July 03, 2009, 06:48:07 AM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on July 03, 2009, 04:45:54 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: RIP Robert H Bork on July 03, 2009, 05:02:35 PM
Obama!


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: MasterJedi on July 03, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 03, 2009, 05:41:28 PM
Oh, my God ! Another extraordinary tunout of rightists... :(
Maybe someone should say something to Platypus...


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Rowan on July 03, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: pogo stick on July 03, 2009, 06:15:49 PM
President Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Lincoln Republican on July 03, 2009, 06:55:27 PM
Barack Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Zarn on July 03, 2009, 07:27:28 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Lincoln Republican on July 03, 2009, 07:44:14 PM
Oh, my God ! Another extraordinary tunout of rightists... :(
Maybe someone should say something to Platypus...

I would hardly use the term rightists.

Realists is more accurate.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 03, 2009, 08:20:07 PM
lol


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 03, 2009, 08:46:10 PM
I wonder if Gustaf is going to whine 1/10 as much about this rather blatant example of blind bloc voting as he did about the defeat of Harper.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on July 03, 2009, 09:23:41 PM
Oh my, and i thought the Bachelet one was bad lol


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on July 03, 2009, 10:32:15 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: phk on July 03, 2009, 11:10:50 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Keystone Phil on July 03, 2009, 11:54:46 PM
Obama


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: dead0man on July 03, 2009, 11:59:20 PM
Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Sensei on July 04, 2009, 12:04:45 AM
It's sorta ridiculous that anyone thinks Obama is the worst one left on this list.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: dead0man on July 04, 2009, 12:28:29 AM
It's sorta ridiculous that anyone thinks Obama is the worst one left on this list.
That's kind of what I was thinking and I'm not exactly on the DailyKos mailing list.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 04, 2009, 02:21:46 AM
I wonder if Gustaf is going to whine 1/10 as much about this rather blatant example of blind bloc voting as he did about the defeat of Harper.
He hasn't voted for Obama. Xahar was the first in this round and Lewi Trondheim in the previous one ! ;)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 04, 2009, 02:22:50 AM
Wow, a lot of votes from people who don't care about anything outside of the US.

Anyways, I vote Gonzi off.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 04, 2009, 02:25:25 AM
It's sorta ridiculous that anyone thinks Obama is the worst one left on this list.
Eliminations weren't very fair to this point.
Morales may have been still there without a specific effort, Balkenende has been booted out long ago, etc.
So, tactics may sometimes prevail in a Survivor !


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on July 04, 2009, 02:26:33 AM
It's sorta ridiculous that anyone thinks Obama is the worst one left on this list.
That's kind of what I was thinking and I'm not exactly on the DailyKos mailing list.

I guess they want payback for Harper, Sarkozy and Uribe, but it's pretty sad that they have to call for external help from people who basically never voted in these threads and who obviously waited to vote "en masse" for Obama and Bachelet with a couple of hours difference and after every regular voter here had already voted lol :P

Not that i have a problem with it, this is still a game and everyone can vote and if that strategy works so good for them.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 04, 2009, 03:01:15 AM
I vote for Werner Faymann

For some years now, SPö and öVP have only been able to give more votes to the extreme-right.
Their leaders aren't bright ones. Faymann makes no exception.

Pray tell me, why are you defending Balkenende again? ???


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 04, 2009, 03:29:45 AM
If Obama gets eliminated I will immediately leave this pityful hackish thread.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 04, 2009, 05:38:54 AM
I vote for Werner Faymann

For some years now, SPö and öVP have only been able to give more votes to the extreme-right.
Their leaders aren't bright ones. Faymann makes no exception.

Pray tell me, why are you defending Balkenende again? ???
Pray tell me; why did he deserve to leave so early ?
Against Baldwin Spencer, remember ?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 04, 2009, 05:44:23 AM
I vote for Werner Faymann

For some years now, SPö and öVP have only been able to give more votes to the extreme-right.
Their leaders aren't bright ones. Faymann makes no exception.

Pray tell me, why are you defending Balkenende again? ???
Pray tell me; why did he deserve to leave so early ?
Against Baldwin Spencer, remember ?
For one thing there's his deceitful and disgraceful conduct over Iraq (eventually backing the wrong side is one thing; lying about it for months on account of an election campaign is quite another). And if you hold helping create a major-party far right against a whole succession of Austrian politicians who're just reaping what the generation before them sowed, well Balkenende is that previous generation in the Netherlands.

And it wasn't "early". It was far too late. The guy lasted to within a couple of rounds of Correa. That's just plain obscene.

Spencer's the best the Caribbean has to offer right now.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on July 04, 2009, 06:34:51 AM
I wonder if Gustaf is going to whine 1/10 as much about this rather blatant example of blind bloc voting as he did about the defeat of Harper.

You should really try to use your brain every once in a while. As opposed to you, or those Republicans voting now, I'm not a hack, see. I have no alignment to a "side" and I have no interest in seeing my "side" "win." I want to get the best leaders to emerge from the voting.

I'm certainly whining less than those people who were part of the previous hackish bloc voting and now want to leave the whole vote because they're getting the same treatment.

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 04, 2009, 12:43:57 PM

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.

Will you stop calling the Big Bad Fab an "idiot like BRTD". You've done it twice now. >:( (Or if that's not what you meant, then basically you're just not making any sense at all.)


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Edu on July 04, 2009, 01:32:07 PM
I'm certainly whining less than those people who were part of the previous hackish bloc voting and now want to leave the whole vote because they're getting the same treatment.

I only saw 1 person saying that he'll leave the thread and he only posted about it twice :P


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on July 04, 2009, 03:14:10 PM

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.

Will you stop calling the Big Bad Fab an "idiot like BRTD". You've done it twice now. >:( (Or if that's not what you meant, then basically you're just not making any sense at all.)

I don't think you're making sense in that post. I'm not calling anyone an idiot like BRTD and I'm not even calling BRTD an idiot like anyone else. I'm only calling BRTD an idiot, which I think he is.

Maybe you're implying that big bad fab masterminded the Obama and Bachelet votes, even though that still wouldn't make your accusation true. And I'm not aware of that in that case. He's contacted me several times as one of many in tactical votes and he hasn't in these cases so I'm inclined to think that he isn't behind this. He has seemed more level-headed.

You sort-of called him obscene in your last post, which is worse, no?


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 04, 2009, 03:17:50 PM

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.

Will you stop calling the Big Bad Fab an "idiot like BRTD". You've done it twice now. >:( (Or if that's not what you meant, then basically you're just not making any sense at all.)

I don't think you're making sense in that post. I'm not calling anyone an idiot like BRTD and I'm not even calling BRTD an idiot like anyone else. I'm only calling BRTD an idiot, which I think he is.
You said "idiots like you started it". But it wasn't BRTD or anybody on the left who started or even so far has done the things you're referring to.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Sbane on July 04, 2009, 04:00:14 PM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: big bad fab on July 04, 2009, 05:03:22 PM
Guys, please calm down and just stop attacks on Gustaf who is a clever and moderate guy. Cleverer than me !
If you want to **** someone, please do it on me.

Because Gustaf hasn’t done anything in this. So why attacking him ? Another evidence of your absolute objectivity, moderation, human kindness, sense of humour ? :D

Gustaf just said rightly that the hacking began far earlier than yesterday... And, as for me, I PMed only after Hughento talked about bringing more people in this Survivor and not minding ballot stuffing.

But I'm going to create a topic on all this, so that you can discuss on this... without posting too much in this topic.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Platypus on July 04, 2009, 09:58:24 PM

Disqualified vote


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Platypus on July 04, 2009, 11:21:52 PM
GROUP A Round Forty-Eight

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer -eliminated round 46
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama -eliminated round 47
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Nhoj on July 05, 2009, 12:08:54 AM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 05, 2009, 01:51:54 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 05, 2009, 02:28:16 AM
Talk about some embarassing hackishness.

Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 05, 2009, 02:44:06 AM
     Zapatero


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on July 05, 2009, 02:49:46 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Sensei on July 05, 2009, 03:54:59 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 05, 2009, 04:24:07 AM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: big bad fab on July 05, 2009, 04:59:21 AM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: Gustaf on July 05, 2009, 05:29:04 AM

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.

Will you stop calling the Big Bad Fab an "idiot like BRTD". You've done it twice now. >:( (Or if that's not what you meant, then basically you're just not making any sense at all.)

I don't think you're making sense in that post. I'm not calling anyone an idiot like BRTD and I'm not even calling BRTD an idiot like anyone else. I'm only calling BRTD an idiot, which I think he is.
You said "idiots like you started it". But it wasn't BRTD or anybody on the left who started or even so far has done the things you're referring to.

You seem unusually irritated. I think we're talking about different things. If you're talking organized bloc-voting, yeah, the right started that. But hack-voting was started by the left.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Gustaf on July 05, 2009, 05:30:37 AM
Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-SEVEN
Post by: minionofmidas on July 05, 2009, 06:02:47 AM

And, while this is extremely stupid partisan hack voting for Obama, I can't help wondering if it would have happened if idiots like you wouldn't have started it.

Will you stop calling the Big Bad Fab an "idiot like BRTD". You've done it twice now. >:( (Or if that's not what you meant, then basically you're just not making any sense at all.)

I don't think you're making sense in that post. I'm not calling anyone an idiot like BRTD and I'm not even calling BRTD an idiot like anyone else. I'm only calling BRTD an idiot, which I think he is.
You said "idiots like you started it". But it wasn't BRTD or anybody on the left who started or even so far has done the things you're referring to.

You seem unusually irritated. I think we're talking about different things. If you're talking organized bloc-voting, yeah, the right started that. But hack-voting was started by the left.
If you wish. Okay. (Since when is Hashemite "left" though? He started the ridiculously early Harper attacks IIRC... Though I think the ridiculously early Morales votes might have begun even before that. :P )

Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Hash on July 05, 2009, 07:12:46 AM
It's disgusting that Obama goes out before the racist Maltan scumbag.

Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Antonio the Sixth on July 05, 2009, 07:35:48 AM

Goodbye, bunch of pathetic blithering idiots.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: minionofmidas on July 05, 2009, 07:38:48 AM
He was the last death penalty enabler to go. See it in that light.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: GMantis on July 05, 2009, 08:35:46 AM
Werner Faymann


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: Edu on July 05, 2009, 10:33:18 AM
Lawrence Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: JWHart on July 05, 2009, 01:36:36 PM
Gonzi


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 05, 2009, 02:00:26 PM
He was the last death penalty enabler to go. See it in that light.

No federal executions have taken place under Obama.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: GMantis on July 05, 2009, 02:09:07 PM
He was the last death penalty enabler to go. See it in that light.
I expected better from you. Obama can do little to stop state executions, which are 99%.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 05, 2009, 02:12:23 PM
He was the last death penalty enabler to go. See it in that light.
I expected better from you. Obama can do little to stop state executions, which are 99%.

More than that. There have been 1168 executions in the US since 1976, three of which have been federal. That makes 99.74% state executions. And of course as stated before none of the federal executions have been under Obama.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: minionofmidas on July 05, 2009, 03:42:13 PM
He was the last death penalty enabler to go. See it in that light.
I expected better from you. Obama can do little to stop state executions, which are 99%.
I know.

But hey, we've been voting off whole reams of people on account of their country instead of how they're dealing with it. Don't see why we shouldn't hold the US to the same standards as Nauru. :P


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-EIGHT
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 05, 2009, 05:08:36 PM
Zapatero


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Platypus on July 06, 2009, 02:11:25 AM
GROUP A Round Forty-Nine

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer -eliminated round 46
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi -eliminated round 48
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama -eliminated round 47
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

This is the final round in stage two. In this round, you have two votes: one to eliminate, and one to save. The leader receiving the most net votes to eliminate will be eliminated.
Voting will last for 24 hours.


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: big bad fab on July 06, 2009, 02:20:33 AM
eliminate: Gusmao
save: Stoltenberg


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: GMantis on July 06, 2009, 02:23:43 AM
eliminate: Werner Faymann
save: Xanana Gusmao


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Lief 🗽 on July 06, 2009, 02:26:59 AM
Eliminate: Gusmao
Save: Zapatero


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Associate Justice PiT on July 06, 2009, 02:35:33 AM
Eliminate: Gusmao
Save: Stoltenberg


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Gustaf on July 06, 2009, 02:36:41 AM
Eliminate Faymann
Save Rasmussen


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Edu on July 06, 2009, 02:38:46 AM
Eliminate: Faymann
Save: Zapatero


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on July 06, 2009, 04:28:15 AM
Eliminate Rasmussen
Save Gusmao


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: minionofmidas on July 06, 2009, 05:02:06 AM
eliminate: Johnson-Sirleaf
save: Gusmao


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Hash on July 06, 2009, 06:43:41 AM
Xanana Gusmao

save Stoltenberg


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Hatman 🍁 on July 06, 2009, 07:49:05 AM
eliminate Rasmussen
Save Gusmao


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: Nhoj on July 06, 2009, 09:47:59 AM
eliminate: Werner Faymann
save: Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: tmthforu94 on July 06, 2009, 09:55:32 AM
Eliminate: Gusmao

Save: Stoltenberg


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two - ROUND FORTY-NINE
Post by: JWHart on July 06, 2009, 10:12:05 AM
Save: Gusmao

Eliminate: Vasquez


Title: Re: Group A - World Leaders Survivor - Stage Two (Complete)
Post by: Platypus on July 07, 2009, 03:47:07 AM
GROUP A final results

Antigua and Barbuda - Baldwin Spencer -eliminated round 46
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner -eliminated round 27
Austria - Werner Faymann -eliminated round 49
Barbados - David Thompson -eliminated round 35
Bolivia - Evo Morales -eliminated round 37
Belize - Dean Barrow
Brazil - Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva -eliminated round 44
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Ecuador - Rafael Correa -eliminated round 40
Estonia - Andrus Ansip -eliminated round 31(i)
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Greece - Kostas Karamanlis -eliminated round 26
Japan - Taro Aso -eliminated round 38
Korea, South - Lee Myung-Bak -eliminated round 41
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Luxembourg - Jean-Claude Juncker -eliminated round 43
Macedonia - Nikola Gruevski -eliminated round 45
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
Malta - Lawrence Gonzi -eliminated round 48
Mexico - Felipe Calderon -eliminated round 29
Micronesia - Manny Mori -eliminated round 34
Mongolia - Sanjaagiin Bayar -eliminated round 30
Netherlands - Jan Peter Balkenende -eliminated round 39
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Panama - Martin Torrijos -eliminated round 36
Peru - Alan Garcia -eliminated round 31 (ii)
Portugal - Jose Socrates -eliminated round 42
Samoa - Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi -eliminated round 32
Sierra Leone - Ernest Bai Koroma -eliminated round 33
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Trinidad and Tobago - Patrick Manning -eliminated round 28
United States - Barack Obama -eliminated round 47
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

There is no further voting in this thread.