Talk Elections

Election Archive => 2012 Elections => Topic started by: Mr. Morden on June 22, 2009, 06:39:55 PM



Title: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 22, 2009, 06:39:55 PM
link:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG3Xqgk_yvHFCxzYZIaivTgoMo0gD98VVLU80

Quote
Where is South Carolina's governor?

The lieutenant governor doesn't know, and neither does a state senator who's a close confidante. Even Gov. Mark Sanford's wife is in the dark.

Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer said he's been told the governor's staff is in contact with the second-term Republican, but Sanford's wife said she hasn't heard from him in several days, including Father's Day.

"He was writing something and wanted some space to get away from the kids," Jenny Sanford told The Associated Press while vacationing with the couple's four sons at their Sullivans Island beach house. She said she didn't know where he was, but wasn't concerned.

Sanford, who's also chairman of the Republican Governors Association, earned a reputation as the nation's most vocal anti-bailout governor by refusing $700 million in federal stimulus money for schools until he lost a court battle earlier this month.

His spokesman Joel Sawyer released a statement saying the governor was taking a break after losing the fight.

"Gov. Sanford is taking some time away from the office this week to recharge after the stimulus battle and the legislative session and to work on a couple of projects that have fallen by the wayside," Sawyer said.

Sawyer wouldn't say where the Sanford was, but said in another release the governor let his staff know where he was going before he left last week and said he would check in.

Weird.  Even his wife doesn't know where he is, but she isn't concerned?



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Daniel Adams on June 22, 2009, 06:45:23 PM
Fret not, he's been found (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24046.html).


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: The Man From G.O.P. on June 22, 2009, 08:07:21 PM
I have a feeling that this will end very very badly, it's being said this was a common thing, but this is so slimy sounding... I fear the worst.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 22, 2009, 08:10:48 PM
Don't worry; he's just writing his book for 2012.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 22, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
SO WAS HE IN IOWA OR WAS IT NEW HAMPSHIRE?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: 12th Doctor on June 22, 2009, 08:31:11 PM
This all sounds very odd.  The explanation just adds to the strangeness.  I mean, who disappears for days at a time without telling their own family where they are going?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Saxwsylvania on June 22, 2009, 09:10:59 PM
Mr. Sanford was found in the company of a young girl.  When asked what he was doing with her, the governor replied that he was helping her on a school assignment.  The governor's office had no comment.

Developing .....


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on June 22, 2009, 10:01:27 PM
This all sounds very odd.  The explanation just adds to the strangeness.  I mean, who disappears for days at a time without telling their own family where they are going?

It is weird. I heard about it on Rachel Maddow. Love her!


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 22, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
This all sounds very odd.  The explanation just adds to the strangeness.  I mean, who disappears for days at a time without telling their own family where they are going?

It is weird. I heard about it on Rachel Maddow. Love her!

Keanu Reeves is a woman?!?!?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 22, 2009, 10:09:26 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG3Xqgk_yvHFCxzYZIaivTgoMo0gD9903OU80


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on June 22, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
This all sounds very odd.  The explanation just adds to the strangeness.  I mean, who disappears for days at a time without telling their own family where they are going?

It is weird. I heard about it on Rachel Maddow. Love her!

Keanu Reeves is a woman?!?!?

Who is he/she?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Joe Republic on June 22, 2009, 10:16:18 PM

A popular actor from before you were born, like Adam Sandler.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: the artist formerly known as catmusic on June 22, 2009, 10:17:35 PM

What did this have to do with Rachel?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 22, 2009, 10:19:02 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jG3Xqgk_yvHFCxzYZIaivTgoMo0gD9903OU80

If that's the case then why did his wife say he was writing?  And why wouldn't he tell his staff he went hiking?   It sounds to me like they're both lying because he has an affair.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 22, 2009, 10:20:00 PM
This all sounds very odd.  The explanation just adds to the strangeness.  I mean, who disappears for days at a time without telling their own family where they are going?

It is weird. I heard about it on Rachel Maddow. Love her!

Keanu Reeves is a woman?!?!?

Who is he/she?

Rachel Maddow is a militant lesbian with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, who occasionally appears on MSNBC to praise Obama and raise awareness about the dangers of capitalism.

How can someone be a militant lesbian?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 22, 2009, 10:24:43 PM
He was probably making plans for the Resistance. And when I say Resistance I mean "sane Republicans".


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: The Mikado on June 22, 2009, 10:25:49 PM

What did this have to do with Rachel?

()

()

I don't see the resemblance, but there you go.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 22, 2009, 10:27:41 PM
I loved her in POINT BREAK!


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 22, 2009, 11:15:03 PM
I like Rachel Maddow.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2009, 01:30:39 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Lunar on June 23, 2009, 02:42:12 AM
Going missing from both your security detail and your wife?  Sounds presidential.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 23, 2009, 07:32:38 AM

Why?

Listen, I know a lot of you new posters want the colors flip flopped but you're really confusing me with that blue avatar.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Holmes on June 23, 2009, 08:23:51 AM
SO WAS HE IN IOWA OR WAS IT NEW HAMPSHIRE?

Now that both states have same-sex marriage, this quote now has a double meaning. :)


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on June 23, 2009, 08:55:34 AM
I didn't even consider the fact that he might be having an affair when I first heard about it. Am I stupid sometimes or what. That sounds very likely. It seems at least he hasn't been kidnapped or something, thank God.

He might just have went to the countryside to work on his book as being suggested, but the more I think about it the more likely an affair seems. I hope not though.

Vander Blubb, it's apperent that you don't watch Maddow. She does not praise Obama, you should see when she talks about Torture or Gay rights. I can assure you that she's more than critical of Obama then.

 


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 23, 2009, 09:20:55 AM

Why?

Listen, I know a lot of you new posters want the colors flip flopped but you're really confusing me with that blue avatar.

paul isn't a new poster . . .


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 23, 2009, 11:04:59 AM

Why?

Listen, I know a lot of you new posters want the colors flip flopped but you're really confusing me with that blue avatar.

Well, whatever, but...

Maddow seems very intelligent, and (from what I've seen of her) she can express her point of view without being an asshole about it.  I caught her on "Race for the White House" one day last year, filling in for David Gregory as moderator, and there was no way of knowing which side of the aisle she came from.  She was able to remain completely objective, and I was really impressed.  I also caught her on Air America a couple of times (where she has almost no reason to be accomodating) and she was still extremely sensible. 




Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese on June 23, 2009, 11:41:38 AM

Why?

Listen, I know a lot of you new posters want the colors flip flopped but you're really confusing me with that blue avatar.

Well, whatever, but...

Maddow seems very intelligent, and (from what I've seen of her) she can express her point of view without being an asshole about it.  I caught her on "Race for the White House" one day last year, filling in for David Gregory as moderator, and there was no way of knowing which side of the aisle she came from.  She was able to remain completely objective, and I was really impressed.  I also caught her on Air America a couple of times (where she has almost no reason to be accomodating) and she was still extremely sensible. 

*Gasp*

People can like talk-show hosts they don't agree with. I can't believe it. This is outragous[/SARCASM]

I like Shep Smith, even though I think he's wrong about most things. 

That's not what this thread is about though, now back on topic...


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Vepres on June 23, 2009, 11:42:04 AM

Why?

Listen, I know a lot of you new posters want the colors flip flopped but you're really confusing me with that blue avatar.

Well, whatever, but...

Maddow seems very intelligent, and (from what I've seen of her) she can express her point of view without being an asshole about it.  I caught her on "Race for the White House" one day last year, filling in for David Gregory as moderator, and there was no way of knowing which side of the aisle she came from.  She was able to remain completely objective, and I was really impressed.  I also caught her on Air America a couple of times (where she has almost no reason to be accomodating) and she was still extremely sensible. 




I've heard her on Air America a few times, and she came off as arrogant and holier than thou, especially when talking about Republicans. Her tv show is better though.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 23, 2009, 11:47:15 AM

I've heard her on Air America a few times, and she came off as arrogant and holier than thou, especially when talking about Republicans. Her tv show is better though.

Well, like I said, I only heard her once or twice.  And only a couple of minutes at a clip.  So I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 23, 2009, 01:57:37 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Sanford's hike apparently coincided with a naked hike on Sunday. CNN just reported that.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Vepres on June 23, 2009, 02:01:54 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Sanford's hike apparently coincided with a naked hike on Sunday. CNN just reported that.

:o


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Tender Branson on June 23, 2009, 02:03:53 PM
Not sure if this has been mentioned but Sanford's hike apparently coincided with a naked hike on Sunday. CNN just reported that.

:o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midlife_crisis

!!!


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 23, 2009, 05:01:37 PM
Sanford apparently hasn't talked to his wife yet after leaving his home.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/23/first-on-the-cnn-ticker-sanford-wife-still-havent-spoken/

Yep, it's an affair.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 23, 2009, 06:42:06 PM
I really don't see any reason to believe this is an affair.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 23, 2009, 06:50:02 PM
I really don't see any reason to believe this is an affair.

Could it be that certain people want it to be an affair? No, people aren't that nasty in politics...


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 23, 2009, 06:52:29 PM
This is certainly strange..... I think he's just beefing up his libertarian credentials for his Presidential run by governing our state by leaving it entirely.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Frodo on June 23, 2009, 06:58:51 PM
If Mark Sanford ever indicated he never had any ambition for higher office beyond being governor of South Carolina, apparently he meant it....  :P


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 23, 2009, 07:29:16 PM
I really don't see any reason to believe this is an affair.

Could it be that certain people want it to be an affair? No, people aren't that nasty in politics...
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care.  The latest development in the story is that his car was found at an Atlanta airport


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 23, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: The Mikado on June 23, 2009, 08:27:50 PM
I see no reason to believe that the governor wasn't telling us the truth when he claims that he spent the last five days hiking the Appalachian Trail with no apparent hiking companion without telling his family or staff or even apparent means of communication.  That's obviously the most logical and sensible answer to this whole mess.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 23, 2009, 08:40:19 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?
you're still an ass I see.  Oh well


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Hash on June 23, 2009, 08:55:41 PM
Aliens.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Lunar on June 23, 2009, 09:45:21 PM
I didn't even consider the fact that he might be having an affair when I first heard about it. Am I stupid sometimes or what. That sounds very likely. It seems at least he hasn't been kidnapped or something, thank God.

He might just have went to the countryside to work on his book as being suggested, but the more I think about it the more likely an affair seems. I hope not though.


 

I think while Sanford may be boneheaded, he might be a little better at conducting an affair.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 23, 2009, 11:53:59 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?
you're still an ass I see.  Oh well

Convincing counter.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: pbrower2a on June 24, 2009, 01:07:52 AM
I see no reason to believe that the governor wasn't telling us the truth when he claims that he spent the last five days hiking the Appalachian Trail with no apparent hiking companion without telling his family or staff or even apparent means of communication.  That's obviously the most logical and sensible answer to this whole mess.

You would think that he would go with at the least a camera/cell phone.

I couldn't imagine going hiking without one, and I'm not much of a fan of cell phones.

 


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 24, 2009, 02:00:36 AM
I don't think Sanford is having an affair.  I think he's just a weird, eccentric guy.  Remember, this is someone who tears up over fiscal discipline.



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 24, 2009, 04:14:31 AM
So now there's a federal agent who claims he saw Sanford at the Atlanta airport, which doesn't mesh with his story:

http://www.wyff4.com/news/19837234/detail.html

Also, Politico has a story out about Sanford's eccentricities, and how they might not play so well on the national stage:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/24109.html

Quote
As a member of Congress in the 1990s, he slept in his office to save money. Political insiders recount tales of his walking around barefoot in meetings in the state Capitol and even doing sit-ups at odd times. During his State of the State speech in 2006, he lost his train of thought and admitted he was daydreaming about a fishing trip with a pal.

Katon Dawson, the former state GOP chairman, recalled when Sanford disappeared from the Republican National Convention last year in St. Paul, Minn.

“He called me and said he was in back in South Carolina,” Dawson said. “He didn’t tell anybody.”



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: SPQR on June 24, 2009, 05:50:55 AM
Wow,this guy is definitely...interesting.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 07:47:35 AM
Wow,this guy is definitely...interesting.

Good for him, really I mean it. It shows that he's not a typical stuck up politician. I don't see anything wrong with getting away from things a while to clear your head. People react differently to stressful situations.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
Just found this on the Tampa Trib.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SC_GOVERNOR_WHERE?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US

Quote
Associated Press
June 24, 2009
Report: SC gov was in Argentina, not hiking trail

South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford is telling a newspaper that he was in Argentina during his unexplained 5-day absence, not hiking along the Appalachian Trail as his office previously said.

The Republican told The State newspaper in South Carolina that he arrived at the Atlanta airport Wednesday.

Sanford says he decided at the last minute to go to the South American country. The governor says he had considered hiking on the Appalachian Trail but wanted to do something "exotic."

Sanford says he returned after a five-day absence because the trip turned into more of a fuss than he ever expected.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford was expected back at work Wednesday after a five-day absence for what aides said was a hiking trip that turned into more of a fuss than he ever expected.

They said Sanford cut short his vacation on the Appalachian Trail when news broke he'd been out of touch for four days, raising questions of just who was running the state.

The governor's spokesman, Joel Sawyer, said Sanford wanted to get away to clear his head after the legislative session, during which he lost a key battle.

But no one could accuse him of taking his work with him: Sanford left Thursday and his staff didn't hear from until Tuesday morning.

First lady Jenny Sanford told reporters she had no idea where the father of her four children went during Father's Day weekend. And one state legislator was ready to rewrite state law to make sure governors pass their power on when they go incommunicado.

The Democratic National Committee rushed out an Internet video, "Where's Sanford?" It featured news clips questioning the judgment of a Republican governor whose national notoriety has been boosted by his unsuccessful fight to refuse federal stimulus dollars for anything other than paying down debt.

Sawyer said Sanford was stunned by the attention.

Critics of the two-term Republican — and there are many — wondered why it took nine hours after reporters started asking questions for the governor's staff to say what the state's chief executive was doing.

Sanford's aides stopped answering questions about his trip, including where he was on the 2,175-mile trail, whether he was with security and if anyone else could confirm his whereabouts.

Republican state Sen. Jake Knotts started asking questions Monday about a rumor that Sanford had disappeared in a state law enforcement vehicle.

His wife, Jenny, told The Associated Press on Monday that he needed time away from his four sons to write. For hours, his staff would only say he was vacationing.

Jenny Sanford said at the family's beach house Tuesday: "Leave us to our privacy."

Sanford, a trim, 49-year-old former real estate investor and Air Force reservist, is typically drained at the end of a legislative session, former aides said. State Sen. Tom Davis, a Beaufort Republican and Sanford's former chief of staff, said he visited with Sanford last Wednesday and could tell the governor was ready for a break.

"It's not unusual to take off and kind of be by himself," Davis said. "It's part of what makes him him."

The governor has long been known as a loner — bucking GOP leadership during three U.S. House terms and casting the only dissenting vote on Medicaid coverage for some breast and cervical cancer treatment. He clashes often with the Republicans who control both chambers of his state Legislature, once famously carrying two piglets to the door of the House in opposition to what he said was pork-barrel spending.

But past vacations never left Sanford completely out of touch, said Chris Drummond, Sanford's former spokesman. At worst, Sanford would call in daily or would respond to voice mails.

Who was in charge became the political and practical question.

Essentially, Sanford's staffers said they'd decide who to call if an emergency popped up and the governor couldn't be reached. The state's constitution says a temporary absence would give the lieutenant governor full authority in the state. But the temporary absence has never been defined.

Senate President Pro Tem Glenn McConnell, a Charleston Republican, said the state's law needs to be clarified. He said state residents want important decisions to be made by elected leaders.

"In an emergency," he said, "it should be those people who consult with staff to make a decision and not the other way around."

Good for him!


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 08:00:18 AM

Good for him what? That he left his wife and kids for a week so he could have an "exotic" vacation without them in a cosmopolitan city where he wouldn't be recognized? His political ambitions just went out the door... hope the "fun" was worth it.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 08:03:23 AM

Good for him what? That he left his wife and kids for a week so he could have an "exotic" vacation without them in a cosmopolitan city where he wouldn't be recognized? His political ambitions just went out the door... hope the "fun" was worth it.


Are the partisan glasses glued to your head or something?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 08:56:57 AM
Are the partisan glasses glued to your head or something?

You don't have to be a partisan to know what's going on when a guy leaves his wife and kids to vacation alone in a foreign party town and his wife agreed in advance to cover for him. That's just human nature. The British call it a "dirty weekend." What do you suppose he was doing in Buenos Aires, alone? Going to the Opera? What do you think guys do when they go to New Orleans, Amsterdam, or Las Vegas without their wives? 

Honestly, if we have to have a Republican President, I prefer Sanford to some of the alternatives. Preferred.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: JSojourner on June 24, 2009, 09:15:37 AM
Are the partisan glasses glued to your head or something?

You don't have to be a partisan to know what's going on when a guy leaves his wife and kids to vacation alone in a foreign party town and his wife agreed in advance to cover for him. That's just human nature. The British call it a "dirty weekend." What do you suppose he was doing in Buenos Aires, alone? Going to the Opera? What do you think guys do when they go to New Orleans, Amsterdam, or Las Vegas without their wives? 

Honestly, if we have to have a Republican President, I prefer Sanford to some of the alternatives. Preferred.


I really am baffled by the whole thing.  At this point, I am only curious.  If nothing illegal happened, more power to him. 

When I first heard the Appalachian Trail trip was a ruse, and that he had gone to a foreign country, I thought for sure it was a case of a Governor working on a very secretive deal to bring a company or business to his state.  Sometimes those trips cannot be telegraphed because the companies involved get too skittish.

But since his staff didn't know and his family didn't know...well..."baffled" is my only reaction.  I sure hope, though, that this doesn't prompt another round of "South Carolina is so gay" advertising.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 09:23:22 AM
But since his staff didn't know and his family didn't know...well..."baffled" is my only reaction.  I sure hope, though, that this doesn't prompt another round of "South Carolina is so gay" advertising.

That's where there is potential for weirdness.

A vacation in Buenos Aires is similar to a vacation in London, Berlin, Montreal... a cosmopolitan city where you can have a good time and, as a second-tier American politico, not be recognized.

It's not a major competitor with Amsterdam, New Orleans, or Las Vegas for bachelor parties because it is so far and relatively expensive to get to and because they speak Spanish.

However, in the last couple of years, it has emerged as a massive destination for international gay travel. I can't tell you how many men I know who've been there for the combination of nightlife, food, and culture. I am very, very far from making any conclusions about Sanford's sexuality. But... it raises my eyebrow. 


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 09:28:58 AM
However, in the last couple of years, it has emerged as a massive destination for international gay travel. I can't tell you how many men I know who've been there for the combination of nightlife, food, and culture. I am very, very far from making any conclusions about Sanford's sexuality. But... it raises my eyebrow. 

Maybe Sanford was having a gay orgy while being hooked on heroin. Just a thought. Think of the headlines.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Kevin on June 24, 2009, 09:29:48 AM
Are the partisan glasses glued to your head or something?

You don't have to be a partisan to know what's going on when a guy leaves his wife and kids to vacation alone in a foreign party town and his wife agreed in advance to cover for him. That's just human nature. The British call it a "dirty weekend." What do you suppose he was doing in Buenos Aires, alone? Going to the Opera? What do you think guys do when they go to New Orleans, Amsterdam, or Las Vegas without their wives? 

Honestly, if we have to have a Republican President, I prefer Sanford to some of the alternatives. Preferred.


Actually there is alot of clean things one can do in Buenos Aires, the city I hear is not like Tijuana, Rio, or Amsterdam.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 09:39:14 AM
Actually there is alot of clean things one can do in Buenos Aires, the city I hear is not like Tijuana, Rio, or Amsterdam.

It's like London, Berlin, or Paris. You can do a lot of clean things, or you can do other things. Most of the clean things are more enjoyable with a spouse or at least someone else you know. Considering he said he went on his own to do something "exotic," (his words) well, I guess whether you think he was touring museums and watching tango performances or to try to do something else depends on what perspective you bring to the table and what kind of marriage he has.

"Separate vacations" has a certain meaning in our culture.

I also question why, if his vacation was innocent, he instructed his staff to lie and say he was "hiking the Appalachian trail."


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 09:42:07 AM
I think we're still missing the point here. I don't give a rats ass if my governor goes to Argentina... but he should farking tell someone in state government where he is. What happens if there was a hurricane hitting charleston... could he fly back... who would activate the national guard? who would coordinate state responses? This joker told his family, his staff, and his state that he didn't give a damn about them, because he needed to recharge. At least when Bush went to Crawford, he took his staff with him and the country functioned.

That he was trying hide something, or having a gay affair with a coyote, thats comes second to me in offensiveness.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 10:18:02 AM
That he was trying hide something, or having a gay affair with a coyote, thats comes second to me in offensiveness.

I'm sorry, that's just a very funny image.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on June 24, 2009, 10:21:52 AM
Seriously, this story is so WTF cares?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 10:39:24 AM

It's the bizarre details that make it the story. Prominent governor disappears, "where is he?" "On the Appalachian Trail." "No, he isn't", turns out he was in Buenos Aires over Father's Day weekend and his wife claims not to have known. You don't think it's at least interesting?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 24, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
Damn! I will be extremely dissapointed if Sanford doesn't run for president.
He sure has the potential to light up a contest expected to be full of old, white guys.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 10:41:52 AM

Exactly, I just like screwing with these people.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 10:58:08 AM

Exhibit A: the timeline of their stories.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/the_missing_governor_a_timeline.php?ref=fpblg

As with Palin and Blagojevich, the amateur hour cover-up and the craziness of the details are what make this so compelling as entertainment. I don't think Sanford is the worst person on Earth not do I really care about his family life. How can you not appreciate on an aesthetic level the maneuverings of his press team to try to pretend they knew what was going on?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on June 24, 2009, 11:09:09 AM

It's the bizarre details that make it the story. Prominent governor disappears, "where is he?" "On the Appalachian Trail." "No, he isn't", turns out he was in Buenos Aires over Father's Day weekend and his wife claims not to have known. You don't think it's at least interesting?

I guess i'm blown away by the constant coverage.  Like Obama I don't live on a 24 hour news cycle ;)   What should be scary is how the geniuses at SLED let him disappear so easily.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 11:13:48 AM
On a personal level, I think it's horrible that a man wouldn't let his family know where the hell he's going. He disappeared to South America (not even in the country, let alone the continent). You don't just do that without letting them know.

What makes this such an issue to me politically is that he didn't let anyone in the government know. The man runs a state. What if there was some emergency? Yeah, I know, he just wanted to get away and go somewhere where he wouldn't be recognized. That's great and all but you have responsibilities, Mark. We all do but being a Governor means a little more.

I'm disappointed.

By the way, what happened to the "hiking" excuse?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ilikeverin on June 24, 2009, 11:20:12 AM
I also question why, if his vacation was innocent, he instructed his staff to lie and say he was "hiking the Appalachian trail."

I wouldn't say that the fact his staff said he was hiking on the Appalachian trail is any evidence of a cover-up.  In fact, I'd say the timing of the announcement seems to indicate that it wasn't a cover-up; if he had instructed his staff to say so, they would've told people as soon as it was clear this was a political story, and people would've in general shrugged their shoulders and said "oh, that crazy Sanford!" and went about their business.  Rather, I think some staffer recalled Sanford saying something about wanting to hike the Appalachian Trail (as he said he was considering doing before he decided last minute to go to Buenos Aires ???), told his superiors, and they decided that the info was credible enough that that was the story they were going to roll with.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Brittain33 on June 24, 2009, 11:22:17 AM

I guess i'm blown away by the constant coverage.  Like Obama I don't live on a 24 hour news cycle ;)   What should be scary is how the geniuses at SLED let him disappear so easily.

Aha. I don't watch tv news so I didn't realize this had penetrated too far into the mainstream.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 12:49:14 PM
Sounds like Marky Mark wasn't alone.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/source_there_is_some_evidence_sanford_was_not_alon.php#more


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: exopolitician on June 24, 2009, 12:52:16 PM
Sounds like Marky Mark wasn't alone.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/source_there_is_some_evidence_sanford_was_not_alon.php#more

Well he did say he wanted to "do" something exotic. :P


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: SPQR on June 24, 2009, 12:58:34 PM
Wow,this guy is definitely...interesting.

Good for him, really I mean it. It shows that he's not a typical stuck up politician. I don't see anything wrong with getting away from things a while to clear your head. People react differently to stressful situations.
You might wanna inform your family of your whereabouts though...you know,something called being responsible...something a President kinda needs.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 01:12:25 PM
Wow,this guy is definitely...interesting.

Good for him, really I mean it. It shows that he's not a typical stuck up politician. I don't see anything wrong with getting away from things a while to clear your head. People react differently to stressful situations.
You might wanna inform your family of your whereabouts though...you know,something called being responsible...something a President kinda needs.

We don't know for sure if he did or didn't tell he wife. All we have to go on is conjecture.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 01:38:32 PM
So how hard are Obama and Axelrod laughing right now?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: exopolitician on June 24, 2009, 01:42:57 PM
He just admitted to it. He had an affair. They are dropping like flies now.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 01:45:41 PM
He just admitted to it. He had an affair. They are dropping like flies now.

Even more importantly, he started crying, essentially admitted to lying about where he was and gave one of the most bizarre rants I've ever seen.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 01:46:48 PM
"This is Gold Jerry... GOLD!"


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 01:49:50 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Edu on June 24, 2009, 01:51:03 PM
Yep, a trip to Buenos Aires, Really "exotic" LOL

It was all a bit suspicious, didn't the wife said that Sanford wanted time alone to write or something? then he's hiking in the Appalachians and then he's here in Buenos Aires doing "exotic" tourisim?

I feel really sorry for his family though


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 01:51:24 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 01:52:48 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 01:53:42 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Who broke that family up? He did... Now he's weeping on national TV cause he got caught...

Freaking hilarious.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: © tweed on June 24, 2009, 01:56:01 PM
lol


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ilikeverin on June 24, 2009, 01:57:13 PM
Take out the whole "it was an affair" thing and it seems like a decent romantic comedy could be made out of this entire situation.

"What started as innocent emails between a southern gentleman and an exotic Argentinian tango dancer... soon become the love of a lifetime.  The Appalachian Trail.  Coming to theaters Fall 2010."


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 24, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
Wow.

Two GOP sex scandals in two weeks.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: © tweed on June 24, 2009, 01:58:28 PM
I don't have a problem with the affair, really, just that he is so horrible at it


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon on June 24, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
*facepalm*



At least they were with women this time.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 02:00:03 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Who broke that family up? He did... Now he's weeping on national TV cause he got caught...

Freaking hilarious.

Hey, lets hope it happens to you. That way I can laugh at your ignorant ass. Quit attacking like a dumb twat.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Holmes on June 24, 2009, 02:03:25 PM
At least it wasn't on taxpayer dollars.

3...2...1...


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 02:09:27 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Who broke that family up? He did... Now he's weeping on national TV cause he got caught...

Freaking hilarious.

Hey, lets hope it happens to you. That way I can laugh at your ignorant ass. Quit attacking like a dumb twat.

If I run for Governor of Wisconsin on a Family Values Christian platform, travel to Chile and have an affair... then States, you can laugh all you want... and you should.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 02:10:30 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:12:00 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 02:16:42 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

I'm not laughing or cheering, you clown.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:17:30 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

I'm not laughing or cheering, you clown.

I never said you were.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 24, 2009, 02:18:25 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

This is really not the point. As I mentioned in the other Sanford thread when Spitzer got caught the NY Republicans vowed to impeach him if he didn't resign.

Now that Sanford says that he will stay put, what will be the reaction of their SC counterparts?
Let's not forget, we aren't talking here about Rockefeller Republicans/Northeastern RINOs here.
We are talking about the heart of the Bible Belt and the Family Values crowd.

P.S.

Hilarious.

()


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Eraserhead on June 24, 2009, 02:22:04 PM
Wow, Fox really just doesn't give a damn at this point.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:22:31 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

This is really not the point. As I mentioned in the other Sanford thread when Spitzer got caught the NY Republicans vowed to impeach him if he didn't resign.

I think Sanford ought to resign as well but not because of an affair. I didn't think Clinton should have been impeached because of an affair either. Sanford ought to resign because he (or his office) lied about where he was and he left the state and the damn country without letting anyone know.



Quote
Now that Sanford says that he will stay put, what will be the reaction of their SC counterparts?
Let's not forget, we aren't talking here about Rockefeller Republicans/Northeastern RINOs here.
We are talking about the heart of the Bible Belt and the Family Values crowd.

And as a social conservative, I don't believe people should have to resign because they make a mistake. I might not like the affair but that's not an impeachable offense. Spitzer should have been impeached (if he didn't resign) because he was frequenting a prostitute (just as I believe Vitter should have resigned and really ought to receive a primary challenge in 2010). Sanford should resign or be impeached because he lied and had total disregard for his duties as Governor.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on June 24, 2009, 02:33:44 PM
Why do I see the Capitol Steps singing about this to the tune of Don't Cry for Me Argentina in the near future?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Reaganfan on June 24, 2009, 02:34:38 PM
Huckabee
Romney
Palin
Pawlenty
Ensign
Gingrich*
Barbour
Sanford

*Past peccadilloes, been known for decades


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 24, 2009, 02:43:33 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?

This was Phil's response when I said he had an affair.  Will this a-hole shut the FU once and for all?  I've had enough of his crap and I'm sure I'm not the only one.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on June 24, 2009, 02:45:17 PM
Is it okay to laugh at him while feeling terrible for his wife and children? The poor woman must have been worried sick when her husband took off without telling her where he was going, and I can't even imagine what it must have been like for her to find out that he was in Argentina banging another woman.

On the other hand, I feel his actions are worthy of ridicule and scorn.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:48:46 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?

This was Phil's response when I said he had an affair.  Will this a-hole shut the FU once and for all?  I've had enough of his crap and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Uh...what the hell does that prove? Wow. What a way to totally spin what was said!

I never said it wasn't an affair. I never took objection with your prediction of an affair. I said I had a problem with you taking pleasure in that potential fact and saying it was an affair because they want it to be true. Let's post the entire quote for everyone...


I really don't see any reason to believe this is an affair.

Could it be that certain people want it to be an affair? No, people aren't that nasty in politics...

That's not me denying it is an affair; that's me saying some people would hope for it because it would damage him in 2012 and people like Eraserhead (who said "How hard are Obama and Axelrod laughing right now?") proved it.

So will you shut the fuck up for once?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 02:50:07 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

I'm not laughing or cheering, you clown.

I never said you were.

I am... I am cheering and laughing. I think that its hilarious the double standard that exists among most Republicans (though not most on this board) that saying something and doing the opposite is not disqualifying for public office. If Sanford actually believed the dreck he was spewing about Christian values, he would not have abandoned his family (over father's day), his staff and his state to "break off" and affair with an Argentinian. Even if I credit him with infidelity as a human flaw, he could have ended the affair with a phone call or e-mail. No, he only cared about himself. He couldn't have given two spits less about his four boys, his wife, his devoted staff, and his responsibilites to the 601,868 South Carolinians who voted for him.

Now he's mournful, now he invokes Jesus' name. Bull. He is no Christian, he knew he was violating his vows, his role as a father, and his oath of office.

So I laugh. I laugh in the faces of those who wanted Clinton's head, but now shed a tear for this man's marriage. Clinton never went around preening about his family values. He might have been a cheat, but he was no hippocrite. This clown is both.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: GLPman on June 24, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
Huckabee
Romney
Palin
Pawlenty
Ensign
Gingrich*
Barbour
Sanford

*Past peccadilloes, been known for decades



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Joe Republic on June 24, 2009, 02:52:17 PM
Hey, this is progress for the Republicans.  Two or three years ago we'd have been expecting the next Republican sex scandal to have involved a boy.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on June 24, 2009, 02:52:58 PM
you're being ridiculous... His political career will be over in 2010 anyway so why would I care. 

Well, you're also the type to think that any Republican will go down to Obama in 2012 so why not really dirty them up in the process?

This was Phil's response when I said he had an affair.  Will this a-hole shut the FU once and for all?  I've had enough of his crap and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Uh...what the hell does that prove?

I never said it wasn't an affair. I never took objection with your prediction of an affair. I said I had a problem with you taking pleasure in that potential fact and saying it was an affair because they want it to be true. Let's post the entire quote for everyone...


I really don't see any reason to believe this is an affair.

Could it be that certain people want it to be an affair? No, people aren't that nasty in politics...


My problem with you is that you implied something about me that isn't true.  So I'm glad you posted that quote just so that everyone can see why you're worthy of contempt.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:55:50 PM

Yeah, real classy to cheer for a mans family being broken up. Jerkoff.

Hmm, why do I feel like you'd probably have a different reaction if this happened to a liberal?

Um, no fool.

Yeah, I'm sure you were real distressed over Clinton's family, jackass.

He didn't have to be distressed but that doesn't mean he was cheering and laughing about it, jackass.

I'm not laughing or cheering, you clown.

I never said you were.

I am... I am cheering and laughing. I think that its hilarious the double standard that exists among most Republicans (though not most on this board) that saying something and doing the opposite is not disqualifying for public office. If Sanford actually believed the dreck he was spewing about Christian values, he would not have abandoned his family (over father's day), his staff and his state to "break off" and affair with an Argentinian. Even if I credit him with infidelity as a human flaw, he could have ended the affair with a phone call or e-mail. No, he only cared about himself. He couldn't have given two spits less about his four boys, his wife, his devoted staff, and his responsibilites to the 601,868 South Carolinians who voted for him.

When did Sanford ever get preachy about this stuff? As I said elsewhere, he was always seen as more libertarian.

I'm not defending him at all. He's a fool. I don't like what he did. However, there's no double standard on my part. I want him to resign not because of the affair but because of the lie and neglecting his duties.

Quote
Now he's mournful, now he invokes Jesus' name. Bull. He is no Christian, he knew he was violating his vows, his role as a father, and his oath of office.

Christians don't make mistakes?

Quote
So I laugh. I laugh in the faces of those who wanted Clinton's head, but now shed a tear for this man's marriage. Clinton never went around preening about his family values. He might have been a cheat, but he was no hippocrite. This clown is both.

Clinton lied under oath. I don't take joy in what happened to his family just as I don't take joy in this but I feel that both should have been removed from office for their lies (and for neglecting duties as Sanford has).

And it's "hypocrite," my friend. And, again, I don't know that Sanford was ever the preachy type so stop beating that drum.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: © tweed on June 24, 2009, 02:56:23 PM
Hey, this is progress for the Republicans.  Two or three years ago we'd have been expecting the next Republican sex scandal to have involved a boy.

from what I can gather he never explicitly stated that the affair was with a woman.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 02:57:55 PM


My problem with you is that you implied something about me that isn't true.  So I'm glad you posted that quote just so that everyone can see why you're worthy of contempt.

LOL

Why I'm worthy of contempt? Your posts here still don't prove that you weren't hoping for it to be a scandal so shut the fuck up. All I said was that some people might say it was an affair and hope it was true to damage him politically. You said you didn't care because he wouldn't win. I said some people might still want to see him as damaged as possible and the posts of some in this thread prove that.


You bumped those posts to make it seem like I said it wasn't an affair. Wrong. You bumped my posts and took them totally out of context. Don't lecture me about shutting up and how I'm worthy of contempt.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 24, 2009, 02:58:43 PM
Hey, this is progress for the Republicans.  Two or three years ago we'd have been expecting the next Republican sex scandal to have involved a boy.

from what I can gather he never explicitly stated that the affair was with a woman.

Now that you mention it, that perma-tan is pretty suspicious.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Nhoj on June 24, 2009, 03:02:51 PM
Is it okay to laugh at him while feeling terrible for his wife and children? The poor woman must have been worried sick when her husband took off without telling her where he was going, and I can't even imagine what it must have been like for her to find out that he was in Argentina banging another woman.

On the other hand, I feel his actions are worthy of ridicule and scorn.
it sounds like he told his wife actually from the article im reading.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/25/us/25sanford.html?_r=1
"Only later did the governor reveal that he had told his wife and her parents several months earlier. He said that “in a formal sense,” he and his wife were not separated."


also im calling barbour having a gay sex affair with rush just to give everybody a nice image to think of.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Rob on June 24, 2009, 03:03:30 PM
Scratch an evangelical Republican politician, find a lying pervert. Such is life.

I think while Sanford may be boneheaded, he might be a little better at conducting an affair.

Guess not.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Saxwsylvania on June 24, 2009, 03:05:35 PM
Scratch an evangelical Republican politician, find a lying pervert. Such is life.


How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
Scratch an evangelical Republican politician, find a lying pervert. Such is life.


I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 03:09:54 PM
I don't have a problem with the affair, really, just that he is so horrible at it


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 03:14:42 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 03:16:14 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.


Quote
Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.

:P


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Rob on June 24, 2009, 03:18:09 PM
How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Sam Spade on June 24, 2009, 03:18:41 PM
Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.

I'm sure this is not the first time you've apologized to your cats before.  Not to mention your wife.  And I'm sure the two are related.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 24, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.

I don't think any politician in South Carolina, much more a Republican, can go very far without pandering the James Dobson crowd.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 03:19:58 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.


Quote
Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.

:P

Oh Phil, you have been, and always will be, my favorite (R) on this board.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 03:21:27 PM
Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.

I'm sure this is not the first time you've apologized to your cats before.  Not to mention your wife.  And I'm sure the two are related.

I apologize to the cats fairly regularly... I have a habit of stepping on them. Plus, they are relentless grammar nazis.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Sam Spade on June 24, 2009, 03:25:05 PM
Also, I misspelled hypocrite a moment ago. I apologize to my wife, my cats, and the state of Wisconsin for my hasty typing and my mishandling of the English language, to which I owe so much.

I'm sure this is not the first time you've apologized to your cats before.  Not to mention your wife.  And I'm sure the two are related.

I apologize to the cats fairly regularly... I have a habit of stepping on them. Plus, they are relentless grammar nazis.

I wouldn't worry about them being grammar nazis because they're just pussies when it comes to enforcement.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 03:25:31 PM
How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

Quote
"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions
lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Hash on June 24, 2009, 03:29:16 PM
Is his mistress Cristina Fernández de Kirchner?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 03:30:44 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.

I don't think any politician in South Carolina, much more a Republican, can go very far without pandering the James Dobson crowd.

That doesn't prove anything.


How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

Quote
"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions
lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

I didn't say he's not a hypocrite.  What I'm saying is that he focused more on fiscal issues than social issues.  And since when did libertarianism become about abortion and gay marriage?

Bingo

Also, Mechaman, you posted one quote from him about faith. I can find quotes from liberal Democrats about faith.

He wasn't focused on a "Jesus Platform" as Governor or even as a candidate.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Aizen on June 24, 2009, 03:34:18 PM
This is quite funny.


Another one bites the dust.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 03:35:23 PM

()

Yep.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 03:37:39 PM
Are you kidding... He might not have been an evangelical? Half of his opening remarks were about faith and the lords laws, blah blah blah. Even if he didn't run on family values per se, he certainly was Jesusing it up today.

Then that means he's just a phoney. He never really focused on that stuff before.

I don't think any politician in South Carolina, much more a Republican, can go very far without pandering the James Dobson crowd.

That doesn't prove anything.


How in any way was Sanford an evangelical?

I'll say again that Sanford was known as a more libertarian Republican (he didn't emphasis social issues), not an evangelical type politician.

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

Quote
"It is my personal view that the largest proclamation of one's faith ought to be in how one lives his life." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Sanford#Political_actions
lol

Even if Mark Sanford didn't campaign on Jesus stuff it doesn't void his hypocripsy.
Sanford libertarian? His voting record says differently: http://www.ontheissues.org/Mark_Sanford.htm
I'm sick and tired of Republicans thinking they can get away with labeling anybody libertarian.

I didn't say he's not a hypocrite.  What I'm saying is that he focused more on fiscal issues than social issues.  And since when did libertarianism become about abortion and gay marriage?

Bingo

Also, Mechaman, you posted one quote from him about faith. I can find quotes from liberal Democrats about faith.

He wasn't focused on a "Jesus Platform" as Governor or even as a candidate.

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

And Vanderblubb, when the hell did libertarianism become what Republicans say it is?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Grumpier Than Uncle Joe on June 24, 2009, 03:38:49 PM
Sanford should resign or be impeached because he lied and had total disregard for his duties as Governor.

This


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 03:41:48 PM

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

Clinton never said anything about faith in his life? John Edwards? Come on, dude.

Sanford is a phoney because he's suddenly playing the faith card. He wasn't known for emphasizing it before. That's all I'm saying.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 03:49:47 PM

Okay Keystone Phil, give me a quote from a liberal Democrat about living out his faith in his daily life and then having an affair. If you find me one who said something like Sanford said and who also had an affair, give me their name and I'll write hypocrite next to it.

Clinton never said anything about faith in his life? John Edwards? Come on, dude.

Sanford is a phoney because he's suddenly playing the faith card. He wasn't known for emphasizing it before. That's all I'm saying.

Clinton (hypocrite) John Edwards (hypocrite)

I will admit Sanford doesn't seem like the kind to campaign on social issues, but I think any Christian or anybody who claims that cheating on your wife is wrong or follows that philosophy and then cheats on their wife, is a hypocrite. If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 24, 2009, 03:56:09 PM

He wanted to have the (national) reputation of being focused on economic issues, but you better believe he ran on the typical Jesus Platform back in South Carolina.

Source?



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: memphis on June 24, 2009, 04:00:11 PM
I completely don't understand all the fascination with random politicians' sexual exploits. Especially considering how many times we've played this game in the last decade. Outside of his family, who gives a crap?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 04:02:25 PM
If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Wiz in Wis on June 24, 2009, 04:08:13 PM
If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.



As an atheist ^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 24, 2009, 04:10:28 PM

I will admit Sanford doesn't seem like the kind to campaign on social issues, but I think any Christian or anybody who claims that cheating on your wife is wrong or follows that philosophy and then cheats on their wife, is a hypocrite. If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

So, a Christian who sins is a hypocrite?  Catholics have a sacrament called "confession"...are all Catholics hypocrites?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 24, 2009, 04:11:33 PM
So, a Christian who sins is a hypocrite?

Please don't even try to engage someone on this. I tried earlier.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mechaman on June 24, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.



But they don't have an invisible daddy to ask forgiveness from!

Oh hell, there goes my atheist bias.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Iosif on June 24, 2009, 04:42:10 PM
s off for days to Argentina without telling anyone to  some tramp.

Love it. My hero.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 24, 2009, 04:44:12 PM
s off for days to Argentina without telling anyone to  some tramp.

...during Father's Day.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Aizen on June 24, 2009, 05:06:23 PM
To be fair, Argentina is known for beautiful women.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Iosif on June 24, 2009, 05:09:38 PM
The balls. It's just so brazen.

What a guy. I think I'm in love.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: JSojourner on June 24, 2009, 05:18:35 PM
If an atheist politician did it, I wouldn't say anything. But these guys supposedly believe that it's immoral to cheat on their wives but they did anyway, therefore they're hypocrites even if they differ politically.

Uh, just for the record, atheists can think that adultery is immoral.



But they don't have an invisible daddy to ask forgiveness from!


Close.  They (we) have a friend, advocate and mediator who has said -- "if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness".

The problem is not with the idea of forgiveness and confession.  It's with the idea advanced by some that certain sinners are more "forgiven" than others. 

I speak, of course, of those of us who live and move in a Christian milieu.  I recognize my Atheist and many of my non-Christian friends approach issues of guilt and sin quite differently and I respect their right to do so.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Citizen James on June 24, 2009, 05:59:01 PM
His old quotes (http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/06/24/mark-sanford-back-in-the-clinton-era/) may come back to haunt him.

“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything. (http://“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.)




Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ilikeverin on June 24, 2009, 06:22:09 PM
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403062_2.html?sid=ST2009062403065

Quote
This evening, The State newspaper in Columbia released some of the e-mails between Sanford and the woman that it said it had been holding since December. The paper reported that a McClatchy correspondent in Buenos Aires today found the woman, whom it identified only by her first name, Maria, and that she declined to comment.

In an e-mail July 10, Sanford sent Maria an update about his world travels, before mentioning speculation about his being picked as  John McCain's running mate and then praising about her beauty and telling her how much he missed her.

"You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty," he wrote. "I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips . . . but hey, that would be going into sexual details," he wrote. "How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure."

He added, "I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before -- so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know. . . . In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."

Overall decent prose, though the "hey, that's getting into sexual details" obviously completely breaks the mood.  Uses most "SAT-level-words" appropriately though his "digression" isn't really a digression, per se; a couple typos but since the medium is email those can be excused somewhat.  However, he does a good job of trodding over familiar ground ("You're hot, girl.") while still avoiding some of the worst cliches, and making sure to compliment her personality as much as her looks (and her looks without being crass or juvenile).

Full story: http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

Too lazy to critique it all atm, but goodness it gets a bit worse when read verbatim rather than just extracts.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: YRABNNRM on June 24, 2009, 06:24:12 PM
Releasing personal e-mails is quite unnecessary.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: exopolitician on June 24, 2009, 06:26:14 PM
From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/24/AR2009062403062_2.html?sid=ST2009062403065

Quote
This evening, The State newspaper in Columbia released some of the e-mails between Sanford and the woman that it said it had been holding since December. The paper reported that a McClatchy correspondent in Buenos Aires today found the woman, whom it identified only by her first name, Maria, and that she declined to comment.

In an e-mail July 10, Sanford sent Maria an update about his world travels, before mentioning speculation about his being picked as  John McCain's running mate and then praising about her beauty and telling her how much he missed her.

"You have a particular grace and calm that I adore. You have a level of sophistication that so fitting with your beauty," he wrote. "I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips . . . but hey, that would be going into sexual details," he wrote. "How in the world this lightening strike snuck up on us I am still not quite sure."

He added, "I feel a little vulnerable because this is ground I have never certainly never covered before -- so if you have pearls of wisdom on how we figure all this out please let me know. . . . In the meantime please sleep soundly knowing that despite the best efforts of my head my heart cries out for you, your voice, your body, the touch of your lips, the touch of your finger tips and an even deeper connection to your soul."

Overall decent prose, though the "hey, that's getting into sexual details" obviously completely breaks the mood.  Uses most "SAT-level-words" appropriately though his "digression" isn't really a digression, per se; a couple typos but since the medium is email those can be excused somewhat.  However, he does a good job of trodding over familiar ground ("You're hot, girl.") while still avoiding some of the worst cliches, and making sure to compliment her personality as much as her looks (and her looks without being crass or juvenile).

Full story: http://www.thestate.com/sanford/story/839350.html

Too lazy to critique it all atm.

Too bad hes a a slimy cheat. He sounds kinda sweet hah.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Lief 🗽 on June 24, 2009, 06:29:03 PM
Quote
I could digress and say that you have the ability to give magnificent gentle kisses, or that I love your tan lines or that I love the curve of your hips, the erotic beauty of you holding yourself (or two magnificent parts of yourself) in the faded glow of the night’s light - but hey, that would be going into sexual details ...

hot


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 24, 2009, 06:47:33 PM
This has been known around here for 5 months. His wife has been living in Sullivan's Island with the kids and he's been in Columbia. They hardly see each other.

In fact, it has been reported that the local media had this story but kept it on ice since last year. It was Sanford's own stupidity that forced it out.

Who goes to Argentina on Father's Day weekend and doesn't tell his kids or wife? Doesn't call? He didn't know that anyone would notice? I rarely care about extramarital affairs, because I think most politicians do it, but he was a complete fool for doing what he did this past weekend. All he had to do was fly her into Columbia. It's almost like he wanted to be caught.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: © tweed on June 24, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
Releasing personal e-mails is quite unnecessary.

yeah, I feel for him on that aspect of it


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: The Man From G.O.P. on June 24, 2009, 07:37:27 PM
Wow


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Boris on June 24, 2009, 08:08:58 PM
so is Governor Nimrata Haley a real possibility?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on June 24, 2009, 08:54:23 PM
so is Governor Nimrata Haley a real possibility?

Governor Nikki Haley was never a possibility.  At most she'd have gained some name recognition and backing for a run for State Senator in 2012.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ?????????? on June 24, 2009, 09:20:32 PM
His old quotes (http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/06/24/mark-sanford-back-in-the-clinton-era/) may come back to haunt him.

“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything. (http://“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.)




He gave the very reason why I feel he should resign from office.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on June 24, 2009, 09:22:41 PM
This is so amusing. It's not just that he had an affair but that he was so bad at it. Hahahaha.

Amusing how yet another GOP savior bite the dust.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 25, 2009, 12:14:07 AM
His old quotes (http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/06/24/mark-sanford-back-in-the-clinton-era/) may come back to haunt him.

“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything. (http://“The issue of lying is probably the biggest harm, if you will, to the system of Democratic government, representatives government, because it undermines trust,” he told CNN. “And if you undermine trust in our system, you undermine everything.)




He gave the very reason why I feel he should resign from office.

Please don't. If he resigns, then Lt. Governor Andre Bauer becomes our governor. He's been caught with cocaine and two DUIs, I believe. We can do without him. I won't lose sleep at night knowing Sanford had an affair, but I might if Bauer becomes out Governor.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on June 25, 2009, 12:19:02 AM
This joke voted for 3 of the 4 articles of impeachment.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: SPQR on June 25, 2009, 03:52:18 AM

Yeah, that's the explanation that makes the most sense.

Sanford, fed up with politics we can imagine, was being called on by Paulites to run a primary he wouldn't win to earn the chance at a general election he wouldn't win so he could fight legislative battles he wouldn't win.  Must have sounded fun.  He sees Ensign get crossed off the 2012 list by admitting an affair, then immediately goes on a trip that has no plausible outcome other than an Ensign-like admission and the end of 2012 talk about him.
Either this...or he is a complete idiot.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Middle-aged Europe on June 25, 2009, 03:57:39 AM
Either this...or he is a complete idiot.

Probably.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Lunar on June 25, 2009, 04:06:59 AM

Yeah, that's the explanation that makes the most sense.

Sanford, fed up with politics we can imagine, was being called on by Paulites to run a primary he wouldn't win to earn the chance at a general election he wouldn't win so he could fight legislative battles he wouldn't win.  Must have sounded fun.  He sees Ensign get crossed off the 2012 list by admitting an affair, then immediately goes on a trip that has no plausible outcome other than an Ensign-like admission and the end of 2012 talk about him.
Either this...or he is a complete idiot.

I think the third option is most likely: he had an emotional breakdown


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 25, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
This joke voted for 3 of the 4 articles of impeachment.

Wait and see if he resigns.  I think he will.






Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Scam of God on June 25, 2009, 01:12:22 PM
Utterly unsurprising. Once again the holy-rolling hypocrites and moralistic monsters of the nation prove to the world how utterly bankrupt they are morally, and how fragile their ideology is when it's used as a Band-Aid to cover up their own failings. Let Sanford, Ensign, Gingrich, etc. rot in the holy hell they've called down upon us authentic, self-admitted immoralists.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Mr. Morden on June 27, 2009, 07:16:20 AM
Btw, here is an additional 2012 angle: CQ Politics notes that Sanford's Lt. gov, Andre Bauer, endorsed Huckabee for president in 2008:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/in_the_right/2009/06/sanfords-implosion-an-opportun.html

If Sanford does resign before his term is up (as many now think is likely), Bauer becomes the incumbent governor in 2010, and will have a leg up on reelection.  Since Bauer has endorsed Huckabee before, there's a good chance he'd do it again.  Having the governor's endorsement would give Huck a leg up in the always closely watched SC primary.

Then again, past endorsement is no guarantee of future endorsement.  Sanford himself went from backing McCain in 2000 to remaining neutral in 2008.



Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Fmr. Pres. Duke on June 27, 2009, 11:28:08 AM
I do not want Bauer to be the governor of this state, period. For that reason alone, I hope Sanford does not resign. If he does run for governor in 2010, I'll most likely vote Democrat.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Keystone Phil on June 27, 2009, 11:50:09 AM
Michael Jackson being back in the news has helped Sanford quite a bit. I hear he's now asking critics, "What's wrong with sharing your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone...You're making this sexual. It's not sexual."


Do you get any more family values than that?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on June 27, 2009, 12:22:07 PM
Michael Jackson being back in the news has helped Sanford quite a bit. I hear he's now asking critics, "What's wrong with sharing your bed? The most loving thing to do is to share your bed with someone...You're making this sexual. It's not sexual."


Do you get any more family values than that?

That woman must have been reeeeeally good. Look what else Mr. Fiscal Conservative did just to get near her:

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/27/747471/-Argentina-added-to-trade-mission-at-Sanfords-request (http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/27/747471/-Argentina-added-to-trade-mission-at-Sanfords-request)


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: paul718 on June 27, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
Utterly unsurprising. Once again the holy-rolling hypocrites and moralistic monsters of the nation prove to the world how utterly bankrupt they are morally, and how fragile their ideology is when it's used as a Band-Aid to cover up their own failings. Let Sanford, Ensign, Gingrich, etc. rot in the holy hell they've called down upon us authentic, self-admitted immoralists.

I never perceived him as a "holy roller" or a moralist.  In fact, I assumed Sanford was your type of Republican, Einzige. 
Btw, here is an additional 2012 angle: CQ Politics notes that Sanford's Lt. gov, Andre Bauer, endorsed Huckabee for president in 2008:

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/in_the_right/2009/06/sanfords-implosion-an-opportun.html

If Sanford does resign before his term is up (as many now think is likely), Bauer becomes the incumbent governor in 2010, and will have a leg up on reelection.  Since Bauer has endorsed Huckabee before, there's a good chance he'd do it again.  Having the governor's endorsement would give Huck a leg up in the always closely watched SC primary.

Very interesting.

Even if he doesn't resign, might Bauer's endorsement hold more weight than Sanford's at this point?


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자) on June 27, 2009, 08:51:05 PM
Even if he doesn't resign, might Bauer's endorsement hold more weight than Sanford's at this point?

At this point endorsements don't matter at all; neither does Sanford.  Depends entirely on whether Bauer manages to win the Governor's race against McMaster and Barrett.  If Bauer loses, which I devoutly hope, he's toast and his endorsement is unlikely to sway anybody in 2012.  While he and Sanford have not gotten along well, both have used the same fresh young blood theme to their advantage, a theme I expect will not play well in 2010.

Bauer might be able to garner enough votes to make the runoff, but I don't think he'll win it, though he does possess the advantage that voters can be confident he won't cheat on his wife, since he doesn't have one while both McMaster and Barrett do.


Title: Re: Mark Sanford goes missing
Post by: RI on June 28, 2009, 10:55:15 PM
Maria Chapur Acknowledges Affair With Sanford (w/ image)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/maria-chapur-speaks-argen_n_222049.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/28/maria-chapur-speaks-argen_n_222049.html)