Talk Elections

I'll have to recuse myself from voting.

Please, please, please stop lumping in my dislike for The Netherlands with my dislike for France. I dislike the latter more.

Write In: Me vs Venezuela.

GM has the most legitimate reason out of the three choices.

The hatred that pjmalone1980 shows towards Namibia is astounding.

India outshines Porkistan

I probably should've included DWTL and Israel.

I'm not going to vote but generally, I try to disassociate my hatred of the Turkish government from my attitude of the Turkish people, of whom I have mostly positive experiences. I don't think that the other two differentiate their attitude towards the country from their attitude towards the inhabitants. And yes, as States said, I do have more justification. Unless Phil's hatred of France is based on them taking Italian territory.

And I think others should have been included - like Hughento and Japan or dead0man and Russia.

I'm going to say KP against France as it is the most unreasonable.  Ireland does suck, and while Turkey is pretty astoundingly good for a muslim nation, it is overall a suck.

Me, Uzbekistan

Lunar and Opie hate America maybe more than others hate other countries.

Lunar? Are you serious?

Our version of the Daily Kos, Lunar, yes.

Surprised me vs. Great Britain wasn't an option.  Well, it's probably not as bad as the listed options and it's not an oozing hatred.

I voted for the final option, even though I am unfamiliar with it, as it is likely to be the most honest.

That certainly doesn't help matters.

LMAO.

Phil, obviously.

That's certainly true of me.

Happy I got it right for ya. ;)

Write-in: Stark vs. everywhere else.

Lol why are you bragging about hating

you confuse me.  I'm not sure when we've ever interacted or when I've indicated my distaste for America...

funnier response, now that I think of it:

CARL, is that you??

I'm sad that Supersoulty/The Serbs was not included.

Keystone Phil with France, by far.

I refuse to accept the results of this poll unless Francia is properly renamed "Pig farm."

Well, to be fair to Russia, I hate all the slavs (except Czechs and Ukrainans).

Even their women? :(

Why? Not that this is rare here - Phil is also like that. (No, actually he doesn't hate them - he's scared of them.)

Well, "hate" isn't really the word I would have used if it wasn't in the thread title.  "A natural distrust" probably works better.  It's probably the same feeling a lot of Euros have about Americans or Jews and only slightly less rational.


(and I'm 3/4s taking the piss here.  It's not like I squeeze my wallet a little tighter if a Polish guy walks by me at the store.....like I could even tell.)

Could your distrust of Eastern Europe be a leftover of the Cold War mentality of the West?

Of course and I've admitted as much to GMantis before.  I grew up in the days of hiding under our desks at school because the Soviets were godless heathens.  Russia hasn't done a lot since then to remove that mental stain and done a few things to make the stain darker.

Of course, school pupils in my country (and presumably in other Eastern European countries) were often told how the evil Americans were just waiting for a good opportunity to throw their bombs. Of course, people didn't generaly believe in propaganda - seeing as they lied about internal events, there was no reason to believe them about external events. It's not surprising that genuine anti-Americanism appeared in Russia only after the propaganda ceased and the media became free.
While this explains your attitude towards Russia, it's strange that it extends to other Slavs; it's not as if Communism was embraced voluntarily in any of those countries.

Ah ha! I was on the right track. :P

My parents are like that too. They lived through events such as the Cuban Missile Crisis, so I can see where they're coming from. I used to be like that Russia as well. That was back in the day when I took my parents' opinion, and made it my own.

But, as simply as I can put it, I'm a child of the 90s. So when I began to think for myself and form my own opinions, my 90s roots took hold. What I think of Russia is quite different than what I thought 5-6 years ago. Now I want closer cooperation, and for us to stop treating them like second-class citizens.

Those two things the old me would have never gone for in a million years. :o :P

A lot of them are pro-Russian and anti-West, which I find weird considering what Russians have been doing to them for the last several generations.  Humans are often distrustful of things they find weird.

(and again, it's not like this is something I think about...at all, outside this forum and the rare (for me at least) real life discussions of the region.  I acknowledge that I have a stereotype, understand that I probably shouldn't and would never let it reflect my relationship with any real life Slavs I may run into on a day to day basis....again, as if I could tell by looking at them.)

I liked Russia a lot more 5 or 6 years ago than I do now.

Actually, the only Slavs which like Russia nowadays are the Bulgarians (and there is an extremely Russophobic minority), the Belorussians, the Serbs and the Macedonians. Of these, only the Serbs hate the West (and this is a very recent phenomena (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_wars)). The Ukrainians (ironically) are split on this almost exactly equally. The other have attitudes that range from dislike to maniacal hatred (Poland, which makes your example about the Pole rather funny. They're also the nation that likes the West more than any other Eastern European country.).
Those who do like Russia have perfectly good reasons to do so.
Bulgaria, for example has received from Russia this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Turkish_War_(1877–1878)) and from the West this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Berlin_(1878)), this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Neuilly-sur-Seine) and this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Sofia_in_World_War_II). (Something which I find weird is that Russia and the US are about as popular in Bulgaria.)

Good for you. That's generally my attitude towards Turks (not as if I could usually tell them apart).

How does "country of savages" sound?

I wouldn't even say the Serbs hate the west considering Tadic's victory.

No, no. That's for the scary Eastern European nations.

It also applies very well to Southern Italy.

Original  ;)

Except Southern Italy, while sometimes seeming like a different country, is still part of a sophisticated nation unlike many nations just a little further east that are still living about four hundred years in the past.

You mean Turkey?
By the way, Southern Italy struggled quite a bit against inclusion in the "sophisticated nation". Obviously they didn't like being sophisticated ;)

It was because we were more sophisticated...in our own, special ways.  :)

That is certainly true. For example, the Northern Italians were so unsophisticated that they didn't manage to create even one organized crime group, while the Southern Italians created three ;)

I hate the entire middle east, including Israel. With the exceptions of the West Bank and Turkey (if you say that is middle eastern).

You're finally getting it!


:P

I'm a little in the dark here. I've known Keystone Phil hates the Netherlands, but... why?

It stems from Soccer (from their obnoxious fans to their players...) but the culture bothers me, too. That caveman language that they speak in The Swamp is quite irritating as well.

lol, okay. But you should at least pay homage to Dutch-Americans for being the craziest right-wingers outside of the FLDS :P

It just goes to show Phil is actually a Germany fan. He just doesn't know it yet.

Oh, and appropriate insults are "cheeseheads" or "polder Belgians". And any high visibility work clothing in safety orange (as, for example, German dustmen wear) is a "Dutch jersey".

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

-Nigel Powers

Well, right, but I don't like crazy right wingers.  ;)  I do feel for Dutch Americans. They're clearly trying to distance themselves as much as possible from The Cesspool.



Excellent, excellent quote.

It sometimes happens that the better team loses in the final. Interestingly, this happened twice in favour of Germany - in 1954 and in 1974. I wonder if the German-Netherlands rivalry, on the German side, isn't caused by a subconscious desire to prove that this victory wasn't the fluke it was ;)?

[insert people saying, "Why isn't me v. [insert country] on here?"]