Talk Elections

Finalists Round Fifty

Australia - Kevin Rudd
Belize - Dean Barrow
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Angela Merkel

Dean Barrow is basically yet another joke country leader who slipped through the crack, but regardless....

Angela Merkel.

Dean Barrow. We can eliminate Merkel late.

Rasmussen is a joke.

Is that a vote?

Dean Barrow is probably the least deserving leader on the list. So he gets my vote. Though I must say it is saddening to think what this list could have been with Bachelet and Obama on it. And even sadder to think what it will be once Merkel is voted off.

Merkel

     Dean Barrow

Dean Barrow

Dean Barrow

Dean Barrow

Barrow

Tusk

Ok, Dean Barrow

Ja.

Tusk

Finalists Round Fifty-One

Australia - Kevin Rudd
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Angela Merkel

Angela Merkel

Angela Merkel

José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

My motives, with the first 3 really important:

- A braking and "conservative" behaviour inside EU institutions (Gonzalez time is long gone): the major disappointment, I think.

- Bad management of the economics and public finances: Aznar wasn't better, granted, but no one tried to smooth the big housing and financial bubbles and not even the Partido Socialista Obrero Espanol since the mid-2000s. Spain's economy is currently among the worst with Latvia, Ireland, Portugal and Hungary.

- Inconsistency on regional and nationalities issues (Basques, Catalunia): a more surprising disappointment.

- Gesticulation on social and moral issues, which has hidden bad economic management: a bad habit of South European socialists (France, Greece, Portugal, Spain), as they believe they are so able to be viewed as really progressive, even if they let the economy behave as it can.

- After Aznar's harsh policy, Zapatero's one towards immigration wasn't better: just take in whoever wants to come: no problem in big growth times, a big issue now with the creation of a lumpen-proletariate that the government is unable to protect (not an important motive to oust him, though, as no leader and no party have a real and fine solution).

Merkel

Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

More of a vote of protest against the Franco-loving Basque Socialists.

Zapatero.

sigh Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

Angela Merkel

Zapatero

Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

Zapatero

Tusk

I really don't want to do this so early, but to save Zapatero I will:

Merkel

     Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

Zapatero isn't a very good leader and not particularly deserving of going so far.

EDIT: so I vote for him!

José Luis Rodriguez Zapatero

Zapatero

Finalists Round Fifty-Two

Australia - Kevin Rudd
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Zapatero

Well, everyone remaining sucks, so I'll vote off the fascist every round until he's gone:

Kevin Rudd

Funny that even without all those people that don't usually vote here, unless it's to knock off a leftist leader, Zapatero would have still been ousted (or at least it would have been a tie)

Anyway, Angela Merkel

     Kevin Rudd

Kevin Rudd - Commonwealth of Australia

Angela Merkel

Kevin Rudd

I'm not a huge fan of KRudd, so i'll allow your votes to stand - except Winfield's, which proves yet more PM based voting.

Also, to be fair, there are three leaders i'd want out before either Merkel or Rudd.

OMG, Merkel and Rudd are among my top 5...
What to do about it ?

Xanana Gusmao.

Can't we say he is no longer the Saviour ?
He's a bit of a disappointment (bribes, persistant unrest, tricks to take advantage of location near to Australia), even if, granted, Indonesia hasn't helped...

Does my vote for Gusmao please Hughento ?

That is the question !
Key must be one of the 3 but who are the other 2 ? Vasquez ? Cvetkovic ?

I'm not allowed to editorialise too much, and because none of Merkel, Rudd, Gusmao, Key, Cvetkovic or Vasquez would be my hopeful winner I won't :D

Merkel

Lars Lokke Rasmussen

Well, it is with a heavy heart I vote for Merkel this round. I prefer anglo-saxon social democrats over continental Christian Democrats in general and Rudd over Merkel in particular.

Though obviously there are a ton of more deserving leaders in the mix than those two. But I guess I must vote tactically.

Rudd, I suppose.

Angela Merkel

Wrong thread. :)

Again Tusk

I can't vote him out of office right now, but I can try to eliminate him there :D

Help with Merkel, and we might go after him next. >:D

Oh man, i don't think i want any of these guys to win the survivor game :P

Merkel

I don't get why people always seem to pick vendettas against the people I'd like to keep. I mean, Tusk and Merkel of all people. I think the Balkans is overrepresented right now, for instance. Cvetkovic might be good for a Serbian leader, but he's still not good.

Finalists Round Fifty-Three

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Time to get the ball rolling on Cvetkovic. He may be good for a Serb but due to the workings of Serbian politics he is still associated with some pretty bad parties. I don't think he deserves to be on this long.

Tusk

Mirko Cvetkovic.

Rasmussen

Mirko Cvetković. His government may be one of Serbia's sanest and most decent in a long time, miles better than a fascist or a fascist-lite (Koštunica) but I get the feeling he's a technocrat and, well, all Serb politicians except the LDP are rather close-minded on the issue of Kosovo.

And he's also associated with Milošević's left-wing fascist party.

Cvetkovic

At this stage, we eliminate quite good leaders, can't do otherwise.

Angela Merkel

Cvetkovic isn't close-mided on Kosovo, he is 100% correct. Kosovo should not be allowed independence under any circumstances whatsoever. It is Serb land.

I know a bit about Serbian politics, considering my ex is Serbian. Apparently Cvetkovic is the least of the evils of Serbia, and her family supported him. I would always tease her that his party was in the same international organization as the NDP, which she hated. As for Kosovo, I now recognize it, since it is no longer in my benefit to do the contrary ;)

Angela Merkel
How many good leaders will be sacrificied in order to save Merkel?
And the Serbophobia of some here is really astounding! The most pro-European leader possible in Serbia is derided because as 90% of the population he is against the independence of Kosovo (if he actually supported Kosovo's independence he would be removed within a week). And I find it ironic that the two stating this come from a country which held a grudge for 47 years for a territory with a non native population.

i didnt vote for him cause of kosovo as i could care less about that wortless chunk of land. i voted for him because i dont feel hes deserving of winning. hes made it this far for which you i think would be happy.
and in a way you are also the one sacrificing good leaders in a failed attempts to get rid of merkel, and its not like rudd was better then her anyways.

I didn't mean you - I meant the hypocritical French posters. Yes, I agree that there are reasons for his removal, but his support of Kosovo is not one of them.
The analogy doesn't work. In order to save Merkel, you have to vote for someone else, while my vote for Merkel actually helps other leaders.

Merkel.

This is what happens when you silly right-wingers get rid of Lula and Obama and Bachelet. :(

I happen to support the independence of Kosovo, and I know you don't. But I don't want to see you get all worked up about it, so we'll leave it at that. He's a good leader, and he isn't a fascist. I think I wrote this in my post, but no, wait, I hate the Serbs. He still doesn't deserve to get the title of best leader in the world. But yes, just because I say that, I hate the Serbs. ::)

As to your last statement, you might find it interesting to know that just because I come from a country in particular doesn't mean I actively support the policies of the government at all times and that I always fully support what some hotheads say. You're not one to make stupid inane statements, but that was one.

I felt that you were just fishing around for a reason to vote for him, and his position on Kosovo was just the first thing you thought to make yet another scapegoat to save Merkel.
I don't think he should win, just pointing out that it's a particular poor reason to vote for him. After all, he couldn't be a Serbian leader if he was against Kosovo's independence.
I didn't say that you supported everyting your country did, just noting the irony.

Oh, you're another one those people who think they can read my mind. Great. I love those people.

Haha, yes, it's ironic that I come from a country which did this and that. So what?

Serbophobia is voting for the Serb leader in round... 53 ??

I wouldn't say Francophobia consists in ousting Sarkozy and/or ousting him very early :) , but maybe I'm wrong :D !

     Mirko Cvetkovic

Oh, in case it was unclear my post was a vote for Cvetkovic as well.

And this slavic nationalism is getting old (and decidedly weird from BRTD - "this is Serb land"? What kind of militant, nationalistic old-fashioned fascist mind do you have? It is amusing how obviously easy it would have been to made you a fervent supporter of a fascist government with just the tiniest bit of propaganda).

Even if he's the least fascist of the leading Serb politicians the fascist nature of Serb politics still makes him uncomfortably close to it. He certainly does not deserve to be on the list anymore.

Oh, you're another one those people who think they can read my mind. Great. I love those people.

Haha, yes, it's ironic that I come from a country which did this and that. So what?
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It was just a guess. Sorry if it was incorrect.

Voting for him only because he's against your favourite political project as are 90% of Serbs and practically all politicians seems rather unfair (even if serbophobe was perhaps too strong a word).


How is Cvetcovic or Serb politics fascist? You know, fascist has a definition. It isn't just what you don't like.

Finalists Round Fifty-Four

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Angela Merkel

Merkel

Rasmussen

Lars Lokke Rasmussen

Angela Merkel

Rasmussen

Merkel

Angela Merkel

Lars Lokke Rasmussen

Rasmussen

     Lars Lokke Rasmussen

Lars Lokke Rasmussen

Jens Stoltenberg.

Merkel

Stoltenberg

It was just a guess. Sorry if it was incorrect.

Voting for him only because he's against your favourite political project as are 90% of Serbs and practically all politicians seems rather unfair (even if serbophobe was perhaps too strong a word).


How is Cvetcovic or Serb politics fascist? You know, fascist has a definition. It isn't just what you don't like.
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The idea that your country has an inherent right to geographical areas for historical reasons and the readiness to back that idea by going to war. Serbia certainly seems to have a quite aggressive stance towards the rest of the world. Their attitude to their nation, its history, their neighbours and their minority populations seems closer to fascist than anything else. If you want to call it conservative, nationalist backwards militarism I guess I'm cool with that too. Note also that in the context of this thread, where Rudd, Harper and Sarkozy all have been labelled as fascists, I believe Serb politics cuts it closer. Or do you disagree?

I don't think anyone but a radical fringe is ready to go to war in Serbia.

That's untrue. They have bad relations with countries with which they have had territorial disputes and those that have bombed them. Do you find this surprising?

I don't think that Rudd, Harper and Sarkozy are fascist and Serb politics also isn't fascist. You still haven't given any evidence that they are fascist. Again, you don't like their foreign policy but that doesn't make them fascist.

Eh...did you miss the fact that they actually did? Like, only a decade ago...

And they have had territorial disputes or wars with every country in their continent except Russia (slight exaggeration). That merely underpins my point. This is an imperialistic country which tried to gain control of most of the Balkans during the last century. Despite them resorting even to attempts at genocide to uphold this empire it finally fell and now they spend a lot of their political energy lamenting this fact and scheming to get it back. I don't think fascist is that far off. But we shouldn't clutter the thread.

Don't you support Israel?

I don't support Israel's claim to the West Bank or Gaza. See, I try to follow principles rather than blind emotion based on bigotry or prejudice against certain groups.

But the very existence of the state of Israel and Zionism is based upon what you said above.

That is true. However, they are past this stage now. They are trying to get into the EU and have reformed to a graet degree. I would say that relations with their minorities are among the better ones in the Balkans.
But I suppose that when the evil Serbs are involved nothing and no time can remove their fascist nature.

hey, b/c of the conference i'm running, my days start at 8 and end nowish - 2:30. WLS is on the backburner for a bit.

You make it sound like they weren't gunning down thousands of civilians and throwing them into massgraves in my life-time. About 15 years ago. I'm not talking about "no time." It's not ancient history. I know things are better now and I hope it will get even more towards the right direction. But given what I see in Serbian politics today it does not appear to me that they have shrugged off the past. The decent political bloc, which Cvetkovic belongs to, seems to have a hard time in Serb politics (yes I know they're in power now, but they always seem to be on the defensive to me, similar to the Swedish right or the American Democrats during the 90s).

No, it's not. In fact, it is the exact opposite. You seem to think that if people happen to live on a land they have a rightful claim to it for all eternity regardless of what happens. The Jews moving into Israel is completely in-line with my reasoning. The Arabs wanting to throw them out is not.

Israel didn't even exist as a state before the Jews moved there so it isn't a parallell at all.

The Zionists claimed the land of current Israel and threw out many Arabs, like some of StatesRights' ancestors. Also they engaged in terrorism against the current rulers (the British) on the basis of that ancient claim.

Also the Croats, Bosniaks and Kosovar Albanians were also mass-murdering people 15 years ago as well, yet you have defended them as non-fascist. Plus how would you respond to someone in 1960 referring to Germany and Japan as murderous fascist countries?

I don't think I used the term murderous. And had Germany given the Nazis 40-50% of the vote in the elections around 1960, celebrated their military victories and protested the Nuremberg trials as conspiracies, etc. I may have referred to them as fascist, yes. That didn't happen. They moved on. They didn't try to murder all the Jews a second time or reconquer the Rhineland in the 50s, for instance.

The Serbs did most of the mass-murdering in the Balkans war. I understand that it doesn't sit well with your prejudices, but the Muslims were mostly victims in that war. The Albanians were hardly at the centre of it at all. The Croats, sure. They have a long history of fascism. It just seems to me that they moved on after the war a lot better than the Serbs did. You also seem to forget that the Serbs were the imperialists here. They were forcing all the others to live under their rule against their will.

You seem to think that my defence of Israel necessarily means that I support Zionism. It doesn't. I don't want to turn this into a debate thread on Israel and Palestine, so I think you should move it somewhere else. My view is simply that telling people who live somewhere that they don't have a right because they don't belong there is wrong. Saying that Israelis have a right to live where they live now in the state of Israel, that Palestinians have a right to the West Bank and Gaza where they live now and that Albanians have a right to Kosovo where they live now is all in analogy with this. You are claiming that people can forever claim land which is theirs by ancient history, as in Kosovo. This should logically make you support Israel's claim not just to Gaza or the West Bank but to all of Jordan. Of course, lots of people could then claim different lands and everything gets pretty confused.

It's too bad I won't be continue this debate much longer. Mods feel free to move it too to a different thread. But anyway:


So if the Nazis still did strong the SPD would be fascist? I'm sure many in Serbia were upset at ICFY trials, but who was it who ousted Milosevic and handed him over? And who arrested Karadazic and handed him over? And when has Serbia recently tried ethnic cleansing or invading any other lands? Hell they even let Montenegro go.


Look at the ICFY indictments list. There are Muslims on it. Muslim soldiers were notorious for murdering Orthodox priests and destroying centuries-old churches when they invaded Serb villages. There were plenty of instances of Muslim atrocities against Serb civilians.


No, but they were the ones who started the Kosovo campaign and attacking Serb villages, extorting other Albanians, bombing bars and cafes in attempt to target Serb leaders, etc. The Kosovo Liberation Army was proscribed as a terrorist organization prior to 1998.


That must be why Franjo Tudman's party is still in power. Or why there were riots in Zagreb when Ante Gotovina was arrested (Converse to the Serbs who arrested Milosevic and Karadazic themselves.) Or why there have been instances of Croat fans forming swastikas in the stands at football matches. Or why it's a well known fact that any discussion of the Ustashe on Croat radio gets tons of calls in support of them. Etc.


Oh really?

Secessionist Serb areas in Croatia:
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Serb population at the time of Yugoslavia's breakup:
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First of all, might I note a logical contradiction here. You claim my previous positions are due to alleged anti-Muslim bigotry, yet if that were the case I would support Israeli claims to the West Bank and Gaza.

And I'm referring to Israel's foundation. What claim did they have to the land of modern-day Israel in 1931? None except that they lived there thousands of years ago. And then they engaged in terrorism to seize the land.

I don't really think you are getting my point. Telling the Israelis in 1931 that they had no right to move to Israel because it is Arab land would be opposed to my position. Telling the Arabs that they should get out because it was once Jewish land would also be opposed to my position. It isn't really a very difficult position to comprehend. I also consider it more logical, since you end up in a contradiction otherwise, given that several peoples' have inhabited any given piece of land over the centuries. I mean, why don't you get the hell out of the Indians' land? (or Native American if you prefer that term).

Now, not much of what you are saying in your post actually contradicts what I said. You seem to assume that I am as single-minded and obsessive in my opinions as you are, but such is not the case. I never claimed Muslims and Croatians did not commit atrocities. They certainly did, especially the Croatians. And, as I said, Croatia clearly has a quite fascist past. Repeating those things, which I already stated myself, does not contradict my point that the Muslims largely were victims in the war and that the Serbs were generally worse. Of course, this was largely due to superior resources. The Muslims were caught in the middle and didn't much in terms of regular troops, etc when the war started. You claimed that the Muslims were "also mass-murdering" and I think that is at the best a misleading statement.

I'm aware Croatia is not entirely out of it. But the anecdotes you're telling (what sources do those come from?) do not really impress me that much. I'm pretty certain similar ones could be dug up on Serbia.

Serbia's biggest party is led by a man who was on trial for war-crimes. The party's official policy is to create a Great Serbia encompassing areas lost in the Balkans war. Their leader has defined the idology of the party as "Serbian nationalism, antiglobalism and Russophilia"

Let's compare this to HDZ, the largest party in Croatia. Granted, this party was just as bad during the 90s under the leadership of Franco Tudjman. But after they lost power in 2000  they have ousted the hard-liners and moved to the centre. They now advocate membership in the EU and are, among other things, working to improve minority rights in order to fulfill the criteria for joining.

It just appears to me that Croatia is a lot more on the right track than Serbia is, basically. There does not seem to be a huge movement in Croatia to go to war or massacre minorities anymore, whereas in Serbia it seems to do.

Also, look at the number of high-ranking politicians who have been murdered in Serbia. That also is a sign of a country not really comfortable with democracy yet.

P.S. Your cute little map is a little misguided. I said the Serbs were the imperialists, and I was clearly referring to the pre-war era. The fact that some Serbs ended up in Croatian or Bosnian territory in the aftermath of the war is another issue, really. The Serbs have acted imperialist for at least a century on the Balkans.

Also, since Hughento has paused the competition I figure this might be bumped by these posts as well as antyhing else. But I won't complain if it is moved and I will cease posting here once the vote resumes.

Merkel

Tusk - you're next on my list :D

Rasmussen.

Finalists Round Fifty-Five

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Angela Merkel

Tabare Vasquez

Vasquez.

Why did he make it this far? He's allright for a Latin American leader, but the arms-smuggling, Castro-loving, anti-abortionist protectionist deserves to go now. 

Tusk

Merkel

Merkel

Vasquez

Merkel

Yes, the only good Latin American leaders are the slavishly pro-American ones.

I suppose someone who thinks Milosevic, Putin and Lukashenko are unfairly criticized would think it is a good idea to act with open hostility towards other countries in the world. The funny thing is that there is no mention of America in my criticism of Vasquez, nor do I believe I have emphasized that very much in general when discussing foreign leaders. But, yeah, I don't think a dictatorship like Cuba is the best role-model in the world. Do you?

You seem to be making BRTD's classic mistake - assuming that other people are as one-sided as yourself. I like Arias quite a bit and I intended to keep Silva and Kirchner alive for some time until too many rightists were voted off. And I was very upset when Bachelet, one of my favourites for the overall win, was voted off earlier.

Vasquez

Merkel

     Vasquez

Vasquez

Jens Stoltenberg

Merkel

Finalists Round Fifty-Six

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Merkel already.

Merkel

Jens Stoltenberg

Xanana Gusmao

Tusk

Merkel

     Gusmao

Tusk

Stoltenberg

Tusk

Xanana Gusmao

Wow, 3 votes apiece now for all four leaders. Pretty cool...

Merkel

Merkel

Xanana Gusmao

Finalists Round Fifty-Seven

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Tusk. He's far from the worst possible leader of Poland (though he's also not really the leader either.) but he doesn't belong this far out.

Yeah, Tusk.

Tusk!

Tusk

You vote Tusk... Really, I don't regret any longer to have ousted Obama and Bachelet...
Tusk has made it possible for Poland to get rid of one Kaczynski. And he is the more decent leader for a very long time.
You vote Tusk and John Key is still here... OMG, back to stupid thing !

I vote for Amadou Toumani Toure.

He may be the so-called "soldier of democracy", but, well, Mali hasn't really made big way forward, even with him.

Nothing iritate me more than "Kaczyński or Tusk" and "Tusk or Kaczyński".

Sure, the twins were much more harmful, but I'm not pleased with Tusk either, who's not decens, just less controversial.

TUSK!

Er, no. He has profitted from being the alternative to the Kaczynskis. If you're looking for who made it inevitable for Poland to get rid of one Kaczynski, "Kaczynski" is the name you search. Since Jerzy Buzek. At best. Tusk is not an evil man but a rather dense ideologue. (He's a close cousin of Merkel, actually.)

Tusk.

     Gusmao

Amadou Toumani Toure

Gusmao

Jens Stoltenberg

It looks like the left is back in charge and is using it to vote off the best remaining leaders. Oh, well.

Gusmao gets my vote this round.

Gusmao

I don't see how Tusk is any better than those you voted for in the recent rounds.
Donald Tusk

That's just that we vote for World Leaders, so, from an international viewpoint, Tusk is a good thing.

But, anyway, many leftists will be glad to know that, with Rudd, Merkel and Tusk out, my top 3 is about to be eliminated. :(
The One is avenged.
So, some of you can relax know: the job is done. You can turn back to less "systematic" picks :)

Tusk

Mmmm...
Should I PM again ? :D

not really its more of a broken right who are splitting votes, not that i consider myself right or particularly care about tusk.

Buzek is good MEP, even if he's not from my party or group ;), but was really weak and ineffective PM. I have not good memories from his premiership

Just for that, Tusk.

(Would've voted Key otherwise :P )

That was a joke: I've promised not to do it again.
But it was to show that I haven't been the only one to PM, as we've got non-usual voters.
And to show how votes can be in protest against someone, not against other votes ;)
No problem with all that. Just a game.

On another subject, I would be interested in knowing what the problem is with Stoltenberg, apart from the fact that the end is close now and we have to eliminate even good guys.
Thnaks in advance !

Who do you refer to? Vazquez, Cvetkovic, Gusmao, Stoltenberg, Zapatero, Merkel and Barrow are my most recent votes, I think. Merkel is better than Tusk, but that was a tactical vote. Norway is better than Poland, of course, but I thought you were all for juding leaders in relation to their country and Stoltenberg is one of my least favourite Norwegian politicians.

Oh, and speaking of Stoltenberg, he just strikes me as one of those slimy Social Democrats, in the mould of Gerhard Schröder (or Tony Blair if you're of one of those people).

Finalists Round Fifty-Eight

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Ugh, I just noticed that that World Bank plant is still on.

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf.

Xanana Gusmao

John Key

Good, I hope the lefties are happy now they kicked off Tusk.

Xanana Gusmao

Xanana Gusmao

Gusmao

Xanana Gusmao

John Key

What's it with righties being supporters of brutal Indonesian imperialism?

John Key

Manmohan Singh

Key

Gusmao again.

     Gusmao.

John Key

Key

Just a small advertisement (Hughento will excuse me for it, I'm sure...or not ? ;) ) for the Survivor I start in the History board, on Soviet and Central and East European Leaders of the Cold War:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=99726.0

At least, there won't be problems of right and left in here !
Oh wait, maybe... :)

Key

Finalists Round Fifty-Nine

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Well, this is pretty much destroyed by now.

Anyway, I guess I vote Stoltenberg again. Time to get rid of him.

Amadou Toumani Toure

Johnson-Sirleaf goddamit.

Johnson-Sirleaf

Stupidity really does prevail.

Amadou Toumani Toure

Amadou Toumani Toure

sigh...

Reinfeldt

Jens Stoltenberg

Amadou Toumani Toure as the best means of protecting Stoltenberg.

Amadou Toumani Toure

Toure

     Jens Stoltenberg

Angela Merkel

She's out.

New round?

Ok:  Xanana Gusmao

No, no, no, we are still in round 59 and you've voted Amadou Toumani Touré.
Let's wait for some hours and we'll be able to go after Xanana Gusmao if you want :D


BTW, vote is open in my Cold War Survivor on Soviet and East European Leaders (History board). Come & vote !

That's what I call "twisting the knife in the wound" ! ;)

Toure

Johnson-Sirleaf

Gusmao

Ups, sorry :)

Finalists Round Sixty

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Johnson Sirleaf

Xanana Gusmao

We've got someone from the Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia in the final 10 - someone from Oceania almost, too. There are three women, out of less than 10 worldwide, and no dictators. The final ten are not what any of us would have predicted, but they're not a horrible bunch at all.

Xanana Gusmao

Johnson Sirleaf

Xanana Gusmao

Xanana Gusmao

Xanana Gusmao

Manmohan Singh

And I would like to add that removing Toure, one of the best African leaders to save Stoltenberg, a rather doubtful leader, is pretty low.

Gusmao

Johnson Sirleaf


The reason I like Stoltenberg so much is mostly Scandinavian pride. I'd want Reinfeldt to win if he wasn't from the more conservative party just like I was for Persson last time (I am to Sweden what Phil is to Italy), so Stoltenberg is now my favorite of the remaining leaders.

Xanana Gusmao

Johnson-Sirleaf

Gusmao

     Xanana Gusmao

First time in a long while where we seem to agree.

Gusmao

Johnson-Sirleaf

Finalists Round Sixty-One

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Jens Stoltenberg

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

I do feel kind of bad for helping vote off Toure, as he was a more deserving one to have the honor of the final African leader remaining rather than her.

That's silly.

Stoltenberg

There are really only four leaders left that I think deserve to win.

I'm going to vote for Tarja Halonen this round. She doesn't have any actual power, since the presidential position in Finland is really just a figurehead position. She is popular but she hasn't really done anything that I'm aware of to deserve it.

     Jens Stoltenberg

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Tarja Halonen
Leaders who don't have power should have been removed long ago.

Johnson Sirleaf

Tarja Halonen

Stoltenberg

OK for Tarja next round, as she's powerless and kind of a Kekkonen, minus the "grand old dad" kindness...

But Johnson-Sirleaf is also tempting....
So, for the round after the next one :)
Or vice-versa ;)

Finalists Round Sixty-Two

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Boo! I have to root for Sigursdardottir now.

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

     Tarja Halonen

Tarja Halonen.

Tarja Halonen

Johnson-Sirleaf

Halonen

Tarja Halonen

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Halonen

Tarja Halonen

Yeah, Halonen

Halonen

Halonen

Halonen.

Halonen

I like her, but she's not an effective leader and should not stay here :(

Finalists Round Sixty-Three

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Borut Pahor.

Manmohan Singh
I don't see why he should win again.

Johnson-Sirleaf

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

Johnson-Sirleaf

Johnson-Sirleaf

Johnson-Sirleaf

     Manmohan Singh

Singh

Singh

Johnson-Sirleaf

Pahor. What the hell is he doing there?

The same could be said about Sigursdardottir. But unlike Pahor, she isn't Slavic, but Scandinavian, whcih probably explains your preference.

Johnson-Sirleaf

Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf

I suppose you missed when I led the charge against Halonen and Stoltenberg.

I want Sigursdardottir off, but I think I know why she is there: world's only lesbian leader. Pahor doesn't seem bad, but random. I don't see anything distinct about him.

Sorry, I forgot that.
To be fair, both of them here because everybody had more important targets and they were overlooked.

Yeah, that's what makes the targetting so unexplicably stupid. You're left with nobodies that no one heard of.

I like both Pahor and Sigursdardottir, but I prefer Sigursdardottir, not because of lesbianism (Which I wasn't even aware of), but Scandinavianism, same reason I liked Stoltenberg so much. Of course I'd prefer the Swedish leader if the Social Democrats were still in power.

Johnson-Sirleaf

Finalists Round Sixty-Four

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

For the last time, vote for the leader you want to eliminate. Most votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Borut Pahor -- Probably a nice enough guy, but unremarkable.

Borut Pahor

Borut Pahor

Manmohan Singh. Good guy but he's already won.

Borut Pahor

Borut Pahor.

Once he and Sigurdottir are gone the final winner won't be an embarassment.

Manmohan Singh

Pahor

Pahor

Sigursdardottir

Oh, and don't forget to vote in Kalwejt's Brazilian presidential survivor: the current round may be surprising ! ;)

And, of course, my Soviet and "sister" party leaders survivor is always on (in History board) :)

Renfeldt

Bohut Pahor

     Borut Pahor

Manmohan Singh
But I have a feeling that he'll win again, because he's inoffensive and leads an important country.

Singh

Finalists Round Sixty-Five

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Borut Pahor -eliminated round 64
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to keep. Least votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Frederik Reinfeldt

Reinfeldt

Mohamed Nasheed

Reinfeldt.

Mohamed Nasheed

Amadou Toumani Toure.

Learn to read, dumbass.

Singh

Oscar Arias

Frederik Reinfeldt

Sigursardottir

Johanna Sigursdardottir

     Reinfeldt

Manmohan Singh

Sigursdardottir.

I like how the right is voting the only remaining right-winged leader...

Mohamed Nasheed

Oscar Arias

That's just that I know BRTD, Lief, Earl, etc, won't vote for him... :)

And we are in "World Leaders Survivor" and between Reinfeldt, Singh, Arias in one hand, and Nasheed and Sigursdardottir and, unfortunately for him, Nasheed in the other, well there's just a not-so-small difference of degree:
Singh has a "massive" and difficult country to run; Reinfeldt is the current president of the EU and is a good leader of a middle but important country in the world; Arias has proved he's able to manage international problems (I don't know if he'll succeed in the current Honduran crisis).

I would have preferred to have Pahor than Sigursdardottir, that's all :)

Nasheed

Finalists Round Sixty-Six

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias -eliminated round 65
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor -eliminated round 64
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to keep. Least votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Sigursdardottir

Mohamed Nasheed

Johanna Sigurdardottir

Mohamed Nasheed

Singh

Singh

Nasheed

Mohamed Nasheed

Reinfeldt

A new rule for the last rounds could be to count only votes without typos (or real mistakes)...
Sigursdardottir would be ousted immediately ! ;)

Reinfeldt.

That would be unfair as she's misspelled in Hugh's list. :P

Jóhanna Sigurðardóttir

Reinfeldt

Ah, fine to see you again, especially when 2 forumers have made a mistake that would have been bad for Reinfeldt in this round !
With Arias already out, that would have been a pity...

Reinfeldt

With Arias out, i don't really care who wins the survivor out of the 4 leaders left :P

Anyway, Mohamed Nasheed

Frederik Reinfeldt

Mohamed Nasheed

Finalists Round Sixty-Seven

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias -eliminated round 65
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir
India - Manmohan Singh -eliminated round 66
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor -eliminated round 64
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to keep. Least votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 24 hours.

Mohamed Nasheed

Mohamed Nasheed

Fredrik Reinfeldt.

If Sigursdardottir wins this I'll be a bit embarassed. The woman has been in power less than a year and leads a teeny, tiny country that tried to get rich fast by reckless financial transactions and connections with the Russian mafia.

She isn't bad or anything but she hasn't done anything and is like half the leader of any of the last 10 or so.

Mohamed Nasheed

Sigursdardottir

Mohamed Nasheed

The time to not be at least 'a bit' embarassed passed a while ago.* The Maldives aren't exactly larger than Iceland... and what has Reinfeldt done? (Apart from leading one of the least offensive major conservative parties to a rare electoral victory? Mind you, with First World Conservative leaders, never hearing their name again after they win is the best thing you can reasonably ask for.) But, say, what, other than double the population, distinguished him from John Key?
But hey, that happens with compromise choices. All of these three reflect a reasonablish compromise. (Though the levels of reasonableness might vary. But quite frankly, after all the sh!t that went down, I begrudge you the pleasure of "victory". A little bit. But enough to motivate my vote. :P )

*India is a democracy, or sort of. But dead0man was on to something with that early vote against them based on Freedom House or whatever he used. It's hardly a very free and fair place to live in. And the INC must bear the lion's share of the blame. Last times' victory was understandable due to the surprise ouster of the BJP government, but defending the title would have been quite undeserved. My last two votes were actually tactical votes to get Manmohan Singh out.

     Reinfeldt

Frederik Reinfeldt

It doesn't matter who I vote for this round.

La dee da.

Sigurthardottir. Until Hugh learns to spell.

I disagree. I've been annoyed for quite a while true, but I wouldn't be embarassed by either Reinfeldt or Nasheed. Or Singh.

And I liked Key so that doesn't sway me. :P

Sigurthardottir

Believe it or not, we don't have that crossed d on Aussie keyboards, and there is no commonly accepted substitute, so I went with the one that at least had a d of some kind :)

You could say the same thing about Nasheed. Yeah he ousted a long-standing dictator and that's awesome, but there were other leaders voted off who also fought for democracy in countries more important than one with less population than my city that has virtually no economy beyond tourism, much like those Carribean and Oceania leaders who got voted for leading "joke countries". He also has been in office for less than a year in an even smaller country than Iceland.

I'm not anti-Nasheed and wouldn't be too bothered by him winning (and I think he will actually), but he's not really any more important than Sigursdardottir.

Nasheed

This final three is terrible. Sigursdardottir, I guess?

Nasheed, from what I recall has been an important political figure for a long time. Mandela would have deserved to win after a year in office, even if it had only been a year. Sigurdardottir just got in because everyone else was so tainted by Iceland's collapse. She hasn't, as far as I know, done anything to get there the way Nasheed did. I'm not saying Nasheed should be the winner either (I'm rooting for Reinfeldt out of the remaining ones) and I wouldn't have picked any of the remaining 3 for the win. My sole point is that Sigurdardottir is less deserving than the other 2 and less deserving than most of the finalists.

Frederik Reinfeldt

Yeah, but what's the s for?

About half as long as Sigurdardottir...

Mohamed Nasheed

To soften the hard d, is my understanding.

FINAL ROUND (68)

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias -eliminated round 65
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir -eliminated round 67
India - Manmohan Singh -eliminated round 66
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Borut Pahor -eliminated round 64
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

Vote for the leader you want to keep. Least votes=eliminated. Voting will last for 72 hours.

Surprising final, but not so bad, far from it.

Frederik Reinfeldt.

     FINALLY! Frederik Reinfeldt.

I vote in this round just to bother fab and the others. :P

Mohammed Nasheed.

Reinfeldt.

Though I suspect Hugh meant to lock this for a little while.

Reinfeldt

Mohamed Nasheed

I don't like Reinfeldt too much. Mohamed Nasheed is after all the first Democraticly elected leader of his contry in history.

ELIMINATE REINFELDT!

Another spelling problem, I guess: it's not Eliminate Reinfeldt, but Fredrik (or Frederik) Reinfeldt.
;D

Yeah, that's something I keep forgetting: his name is misspelled: he's not a German, it's spelled Fredrik without a second "e".

He deserves to win just for that!

Mohamed Nasheed

Mohamed Nasheed

Muhammad Nasheed. (Let's enter some spelling error of my own.)

"Frederik" is not German, Gustaf. Fréderic is French, and Frederick is English, and both are occasionally borne by Germans as well, but the German version of the name is of course Friedrich.

Nasheed

Reinfeldt.

Reinfeldt

Nasheed

Just of formality: Fredrik Reinfeldt, or whatever his name is ;P

Warning : for the last round, you vote to choose a leader and not to eliminate. I don't want your vote to be highjacked by the right. :P

You should therefore change your vote into Mohammed Naheed.

Oh, no, I'm not hijacking anything or anyone, just kiddin'. I wanted to give the impression of hijacking with some humor. But it seems as it has failed...
::)
Don't worry, even the horrible right (;)) has understood that Kalwejt want Nasheed to win.
His vote is clear and won't be disputed.
All the more that the final result is quite clear for everybody.

Of course. Someone mentioned it looking over my shoulder and I didn't reflect on it. I know Friedrich is a common German name, but I didn't make the connection.

I guess it is how English people think of German rather... :P

Not that I would want to win that way, *cough* but editing your vote, even due to misinterpretation was not allowed in the previous rounds. I know because I missed the change of rules.

And this was an humouristic answer to you humouristic post. Didn't you notice the smiley ? :P :P :P



Disagreed. The last word is not said.

Let me see: Reinfeldt 7, Nasheed 8...
And Nasheed may still receive votes from Nhoj, GMantis, Earl, Xahar, maybe sbane, even jfern.
But Reinfeldt may still receive votes from Jarl, maybe North Carolina Yankee, and... errr... and... errr...
:'(
(No, I'm not trying to get off the Nasheed vote by being voluntarily underconfident: just trying to put some life in the final round ;). After that, this BIG survivor will be over, remember ? :'()

Oh, wait, the leader of a country which will soon disappear deserves to be first at least once ;) !
And, what is even more important, I think Hughento will prefer Nasheed than Reinfeldt to win.
And that, eventually, he'll find a Maldivian victory as quite 8) for his own Survivor !

The big suspense now is: what would have Hughento wanted as his winner, his top 5 or his  top 10 ?

Oups, no, sorry.
I'm a bit relieved, I thought you were serious.

Nasheed

I wanted Bachelet ;)

Mohamed Nasheed

If there's a round to chose, not eliminate, I change my vote:

I vote for Mohamed Nasheed as survivor!

Mohamed Nasheed
And some people think I hate Muslims...

Amusing I know. Some have said that I hate Muslims too.

If you ask, I shall provide.

Nasheed.

All the usual voters have now casted their vote !
See, Antonio, no real surprise ;)

Since that is the last round, we could have some more voters. And still yet the results appear quite close.

Nasheed

Reinfeldt

Reinfeldt 
 

Final Result

Australia - Kevin Rudd -eliminated round 52
Belize - Dean Barrow -eliminated round 50
Costa Rica - Oscar Arias -eliminated round 65
Denmark - Lars Lokke Rasmussen -eliminated round 54
Finland - Tarja Halonen -eliminated round 62
Germany - Angela Merkel -eliminated round 56
Iceland - Johanna Sigursdardottir -eliminated round 67
India - Manmohan Singh -eliminated round 66
Liberia - Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf -eliminated round 63
Maldives - Mohamed Nasheed -winner
Mali - Amadou Toumani Toure -eliminated round 59
New Zealand - John Key -eliminated round 58
Norway - Jens Stoltenberg -eliminated round 61
Poland - Donald Tusk -eliminated round 57
Serbia - Mirko Cvetkovic -eliminated round 53
Slovenia - Bohut Pahor -eliminated round 64
Spain - Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero -eliminated round 51
Sweden - Frederik Reinfeldt -eliminated round 68
Timor-Leste - Xanana Gusmao -eliminated round 60
Uruguay - Tabare Vasquez -eliminated round 55

The World Leaders Survivor Winner is Mohamed Nasheed, of Maldives.

Well, I'm not too surprised and I'm not too disappointed either.

Heh? And I really hope you aren't blaming Indira and Sanjay's antics on Manmohan Singh. :P
I would have like him to win if only because I wasn't here when he won the first time.

Of course not. That'd be frigging daft, now would it? :)
But as long as deputy commissioners in rural districts are basically little dictators for theduration of their posting in the particular location, and even in a big city like Bangalore the municipal corporation is utterly irrelevant politically and the state cm might as well be doubling as lord mayor officially, I have trouble counting India a "real" democracy.

Plus, I've been reading too much Adiga recently. :)

Don't you dare insult India's bureaucracy. It's been their only competitive advantage for the last 60 years. :P

You actually once called the "World's greatest democracy" at one point.

It's a figure of speech. Largely related to the county's very size.