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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Multiple Sources: IN Republicans Propose Bill Making It Legal for Police to Kill on: Today at 03:37:34 am
Deadly force is not a solution for blocked roads. If you want to murder someone for blocking the road, then you are a scary individual.

Where in this bill is there any authorization to use deadly force?  If anything, having dead bodies in the roadway is going to increase the blockage, not decrease it.  You'd have to be an idiot to think "by any means necessary" means "Break out the machine gun, boys. It's protestor season and there's no bag limit."  Granted, the bill could be better written to assuage panicky people.

At best, this doesn't mean anything at all as written.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prescription drug prices and generic drug law on: Today at 03:01:54 am
That's really weird how the generic isn't any less expensive than that.   

Not really.  Some drugs are going to be expensive to make, no matter who makes them, if the quality control is good.  I have a family member who is on several medicines, all generic, and the cost of them without insurance would range anywhere from $15 to $600.

The small difference between brand name and generic is what I meant. but I guess once the generic is available the brand name medicines tend to go down a lot in price.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anyone else excited for 'Mad Dog' Mattis being Secretary of Defense? on: Today at 02:58:45 am
He might be Trump's sanest pick. But I'd be a lot happier about him if someone, including Trump, would bother at least trying, even once, to explain why the rule should be thrown out for him. There doesn't seem to have even been an actual debate over the waiver in congress. They just attached it as a rider to an appropriations bill or some such nonsense.

Anyone willing to try?

There was a debate about it in the Senate.  The argument was that Mattis was very well respected and the kind of person who would add much needed stability and thoughtfulness to the Trump administration.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Multiple Sources: IN Republicans Propose Bill Making It Legal for Police to Kill on: January 20, 2017, 06:49:29 pm
Here's a more informative article

the current state of things:
During the meeting, numerous ideas for amendments were proposed to limit the bill. These included rewording the phrase “any means necessary” and including wording to differentiate spontaneous protests that do not have the proper permits and paperwork and permitted ones with the proper notification and paperwork. As there was no vote on the bill, its future still hangs in the balance, but Sen. Jim Buck. R-Kokomo, at the beginning of the meeting mentioned that amendments were likely to be made in the future, before the bill made it out of the committee.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Prescription drug prices and generic drug law on: January 20, 2017, 06:00:15 pm
So today I was diagnosed with type 2 bipolar, and prescribed Abilify. Something interesting happened when I went to fill the prescription. Name-brand Abilify without insurance is $1,070 for a 30-day supply, versus $966 for generic. With my insurance, I could have paid $332 for the generic, or used the "Abilify savings card" to pay $5 a month for name-brand Abilify, versus around $580 a month with insurance.

I have a feeling this is a game they're playing to get around the generic drug laws enacted in the 1980s. They're billing your insurance for $490 for a medication that probably costs a few cents per pill to make, and with that markup, they can afford to take a bath on the rest by eating the rest, less the $5 you pay each month.

That's really weird how the generic isn't any less expensive than that.   

But yes, if it were up to makers of brand name drugs, the insurance would cover everything and there'd be no copays. They're willing to give out cards and coupons a lot of the time to cover the copay, if it means people are taking the drug.

Also, your insurance only pays for half the cost of the medication?  Ugh.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The TRUMP inauguration thread on: January 20, 2017, 05:38:54 pm
Our excellent police are squashing violent leftist riots.


And old women, the disabled and little kids get pepper sprayed!  What a great day to be an American!
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Fremont Voting Booth: January 2017 Special Election on: January 20, 2017, 04:10:28 pm
1. Republitarian
2. Siren
8  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to add Russian avatars on: January 19, 2017, 06:52:56 pm

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't all the other avatars use the Mercator projection (or at least one with non-converging longitude lines)? This one looks more globular.

I think it's appropriate for a country with a long arctic coastline.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is the most powerful politician you have slept with? on: January 19, 2017, 02:57:07 pm
my cat. She is member of cabinet.

I talk with her about running for president, but she no seem interested.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: January 19, 2017, 02:46:56 pm
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Re: I have a theory about the Patriot slogan Liberty Or Death
« on: January 19, 1783 at 12:43:59 am »

I have a theory about the Patriot slogan

Liberty or Death

It occurs to me that many of these Yankee traitors are now dead.


11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: This is our last day under Obama. on: January 19, 2017, 02:42:11 pm
Take down a bunch of statistics of your life right now, so that when you're asked if you're better off than you were four years ago, it isn't guess work.

height: 5'10''
weight: 150 lbs.
eyes: 2
fingers: 10
teeth: 27 Huh
cats: 1
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Jill Stein? on: January 19, 2017, 02:34:36 pm
Simply a lunatic.

I'd love explanations more then accusations.
Her running mate thinks Bernie Sanders is a "white supremacist" and thinks his supporters are ignorant. Stein also took corporate donations even though she ran as an anti-corporate candidate. Look at her donations here: http://docquery.fec.gov/pres/2015/Q3/C00581199/A_EMPLOYER_C00581199.html

"corporate donations" = donations by people who are employed by corporations.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: World's eight richest people have same wealth as poorest 50% on: January 19, 2017, 02:08:04 pm
Of Course, but the third-world has been the "third world" because of exploitation from foreign countries, and support for such exploitation by the aristocratic/capitalistic elite of such a country. To fix such a situation one needs to critique the nature of capitalism (not only reform it), get power away from the burgoise and the elite (get rid of the anti-social natures of capitalism), and reform the country, to have a socialist aspect with still some sense of capitalism and markets under strong social(ist) provisions, equality in terms of economic and social power between it's citizens, a strung public sector to help it's citizens, coming with with regulated private business, that still allows for the development of small business, but does not alow the capitalistic and economic elite to reign free.
Ok, I'm really sorry to re-hash that, but this is a simplification. Was there colonial exploitation? Yes, of course. But what was the main form of wealth in the countries of Asia and Africa back then? Spices and precious metals. The main harm the Europeans did was to confiscate a lot of the wealth storage of the countries they conquered.

But I would argue that industrialization is the main advancement of society since 1800.

You're making some great points in this thread, but you're fundamentally wrong about colonialism. Vast disruptions in populations, agriculture, trade networks, social and political structures, etc. in the various regions in order to remake these regions according to the economic, political and ideological designs of various actors in colonial projects. It's hard to know where to begin. Maybe the transportation of crops, animals, and (often forcibly) of people, across continents and oceans?
That does not mean at all that the blame for world poverty in anything remotely like a general sense can be put at the foot of colonialism, but it did have real and lasting effects, for good and certainly in a great many cases for ill.  The impact has to be measured in specific historical-geographic terms.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: World's eight richest people have same wealth as poorest 50% on: January 18, 2017, 07:15:41 pm
Poorer countries suffer from a lack of property rights, protectionism, corruption, and bad leadership. While numbers like this are eye popping, it's also worth noting much of the US falls in the global 5% for wealth.

We know what works: Investment, free trade, building infrastructure, moving past resource extraction, investing in education initiatives, and cutting down on communicable diseases. Slowly, we're seeing a lot of progress.

Which is relevant for headlines like this. How is "wealth" counted?  In wealthy liberal democracies, if you have a house and a farm, that is counted as a financial asset, and can be used as collateral for getting a loan. That's not necessarily the case elsewhere.
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Cory Booker on: January 18, 2017, 01:20:45 am
What are your thoughts on the corporate pig who voted to deny sick people access to drugs they need to survive?

11 other Democrats voted against increasing drug prices for Americans who don't buy their drugs through sketchy foreign websites, but sure, pick on the black guy.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: VA-SEN 2018: Laura Ingraham planning a run on: January 17, 2017, 05:37:01 pm
^^ Lot of flaws in your logic. First of all, she's not more popular with the VA GOP than Barbara Comstock is.

"Barbara Who?" - most VA Republicans.

but yes, Comstock would do better than her in the general.
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Post something to cheer the previous poster up on: January 16, 2017, 11:08:32 pm
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WH considering ending press briefings, and not allowing media on WH grounds on: January 16, 2017, 07:33:46 pm
Another nice trolling thread title by Blue3!  Really enjoyed this one! I think it's your best work.
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: The last movie you've seen thread 2016 on: January 16, 2017, 04:03:06 pm
Of Mice and Men with Gary Sinise and John Malkovich. Never read the book, but I've heard it's a very faithful adaptation of it, and I believe it.  I can't fauly it at all in terms of its literary  or cinematographic character. At the end of the movie my thought was "dang, that's depressing, and maybe a little messed up."  Overnight and the next day thinking about it I appreciated it more though. It does have its aspects of beauty and tenderness, and is thought provoking about how to protect the things and people that matter in our lives.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of MY version of ProLife on: January 16, 2017, 03:40:33 pm
There's a clear trajectory of something with its own set of genes etc. proceeding through different developmental stages between conception and birth that manifestly isn't the case with cells that have to fuse with cells from an entirely different person first. This has never struck me as a good-faith argument. Just say that brain activity has to be present for something to be a person, or that the soul enters the body at birth along with the breath, or something.

That is implied when one's rebuttal to a pro-life argument is "sea slugs are more sentient then embryos".

I know, but why go beyond that and start piling on arguments that are much worse to boot?

The other argument was a rebuttal to a counterargument. Frankly, its pretty dumb to seperate embryos from gametes. "Gamates are okay to kill because their just a cell containing the genetic information of one person. But embryos have genetic info from 2 people. And it takes slightly fewer reactions to turn one  into a conciousness. They must be fully human!

It's a new life and a unique individual organism, biologically and genetically human. It's not dumb to see value in that. Your view of what imparts value to human life just happens to be more limited.
But until they implant, they won't necessarily grow and are in the same boat of any cell whose nucleus could be transplamted into an egg.

A rat, a sailor, and a treasure map may all be in the same boat, doesn't mean there's no difference between them.  but it's not the same boat anyway, not even the same ocean.

You took a metaphoric phrase way too literally.

Perhaps I took it too metaphorically?  Being in the same boat generally means to be in a similar position. I'm saying it isn't really a similar position, and even if it were, the question is not one of position but of substance and identity.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Party Focus Question on: January 16, 2017, 03:37:31 pm
Here's a good description.

If I had to take one issue with it, I'd say I wish he gave more importance to the moral tenets that underscore neoliberalism (namely the idea that the value of anything - including human beings - is determined by "the market", ie by how much people are willing to pay for it). This is why you end up with beliefs that the rich and successful ought to be admired, and that the poor are undeserving moochers. It's the ultimate conflation of might and right.

I think using "neoliberalism" to describe all of this has the danger of conflating a cluster of economic theories, particular policies and institutions, and these moral tenets you are describing.  These things don't necessarily run together, and in fact may diverge quite considerably.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Atlanta's Precinct Map and surrounding area on: January 16, 2017, 03:26:01 am
Dem Atlanta metro looks like a heart.
23  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Better alternative journalism program: The Young Turks or One America News? on: January 16, 2017, 03:11:38 am
OAN is actually on cable.

Is it?  I've never heard of it.

There's some channel, Fusion I think it's called? that has YT on it.
24  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should Minneapolis' Museum of Russian Art be closed? on: January 16, 2017, 03:06:06 am
We're also not in a world war with Russia and God willing will continue to not be in a world war with Russia. You seem uninterested in continuing to not be in a world war with Russia.

In every single act of conflict involving Russia, Russia has been the aggressor.

Mongols, Napoleon and Hitler were just minding their own business.
25  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of the new FX show "Taboo" on: January 16, 2017, 02:40:30 am
I'm interested, but I'm a little scared of it. Seems intense.
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