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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Sam Spade Memorial Good Post Gallery on: Today at 08:36:50 pm
It's hard to say whether students were bothered by it.  People are complicated.  There's been plenty of times throughout my life where someone did something that hurt me but I just smiled and said "okay."  Doesn't mean I didn't go in my room and cry afterwards.  Who knows?  Some students might even tease each other about it.  Why encourage that?

Even if it was the student's idea, the teacher could have stepped in.  They are the authority figure and need to be able to guide the students about what is acceptable behavior and what isn't.  Obviously it's awkward if they came up with the idea, but they could have just as easily done the project without actually using their classmates as the examples.  Also, it's problematic that only the black children were used as the slaves in this project.  It reinforces social divisions when people need to be coming together.  Students need to be taught about history, including the slave trade, but they don't need to be identifying each other as who would be the slave and who would be the master if this was 1786.

Maybe it wasn't a positive experience for everyone. We have no way of knowing. What is clear is that no student took any kind of action to indicate that the experience had bothered them, and that local and national media alike have chosen to sensationalize the story. That's what they do: Outrage and controversy begets clicks, views, and impressions.

We also don't know what kind of racial attitudes, whether implicit or explicit, were behind the students' actions. When children are given autonomy, they are almost guaranteed to skirt lines that shouldn't be crossed occasionally. To me, this seems like a critical part of learning. Moreover, children aren't necessarily likely to understand why they shouldn't do something just because it could be made to look bad in over-sensationalized television news pieces.

The overriding concern for me is that I don't think we need be so quick to judge what happens in a classroom. I am sure that anyone with a bit of imagination could come up with a series of horrifying headlines describing events from their schooling that were, in fact, innocuous or even valuable. That's in the nature of learning, and in the nature of children. Far more harm was done to my education by paranoid administrators, overzealous school boards, and overprotective and neurotic parents than by any mistakes made by my classmates or teachers.

Moreover, we live in a country in which teachers are constantly demeaned and controlled, regimented and rationalized. Why do you think the profession has become so low status compared to where it stood decades ago? Part of it is because brilliant career-oriented women now have more options, part of it is because the pay is awful, and part of it is because of the absurd certification requirements. But if the aging professionals whom I know are any indication, the loss of autonomy has also done a great deal to chase some of the most energetic, enthusiastic, and intelligent educators out of the field, or at least out of public schools.

(The greatest horror is in realizing that few students have any choice. Unless their parents - who are probably both overworked, very likely divorced, and almost certainly indebted - have the resources to choose how their children are educated, they will spend thirteen years or more in a system that increasingly resembles a prison sentence and that fails to bring even basic numeracy or literacy to a large share of its graduates. But this is a tangential point.)
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kentucky Passes 'Blue Lives Matter' Law making it hate crime to attack cops on: Today at 08:32:38 pm
Do we have a hate crimes statute for attacking people for having 'noble' professions?

Many criminals think it acceptable to attack and even kill people for being prostitutes. Should we have a hate crimes statute for that?

Ethnicity, race, religion, handicap, social class, and gender identity might be cause to have protections against crimes directed at people for what they are. Genocide and genocide-like crimes are the definitive hate crimes, and the path to those crimes begins with smaller-scale hate crimes.

Hate crimes statutes are ordinarily leveled at crimes less egregious than murder.  I can see how "Class of '20" or "Eddie + Susan 4ever" as graffiti are much less troublesome than a swastika or Nazi slogans daubed on 'Temple Beth Shalom'. "Off a Pig Today" on a cop's property? Interesting comparison. 

Isn't the theory behind hate crimes legislation the idea that someone is terrorizing all members of a group through their actions?  In that case I don't see why we wouldn't have those protections for prostitutes.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Cabinet confirmation hearings **live commentary thread** on: March 23, 2017, 04:40:15 pm
Friedman (Israel Ambassador) passes CLOTURE 52-46.


Confirmed 52-46

Manchin and Menendez Aye, Isakson and Paul not voting.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tomi Lahren on: March 22, 2017, 05:14:57 pm
HP (Hot Piece)

You are welcome to go get drowned.

"You are welcome to go drown." makes more sense, mon ami.

Being drowned is different than drowning.

My knowledge of the intricacies of the English language is not acute enough to know which turn of phrase is more appropriate to describe female genital secretions, but point taken. Tongue
Huh !
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Kalwejt Foundation for the Promotion of Atlas Hilarity on: March 22, 2017, 01:31:38 am
Statistically, the correct answer is Detroit. But Florida's larger cities aren't exactly safe - especially Miami and Orlando. Where I live in Florida has a relatively high crime rate, but it's not too dangerous. In most places you'd feel safe leaving your door unlocked at night. Although in Jacksonville, just a few miles away, I certainly wouldn't advise that.

People do that?

Yes, in fact, the same people who say we should close the border because they love the people inside



I'll go with the LGBT Death Star.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 11:32:46 pm
What's really idiotic is that doing this is likely to end up costing the government as a whole more money. Of course, those added costs will end up being paid mainly by State and local governments, so it might save the Federal government a little money.

But the states will be the ones deciding whether or not to require mental health coverage, correct?
i don't think so. but either way this is horrendous.

My point is that if states could be convinced that mental health coverage is a cost-saving measure for them, then they could still keep coverage.  That isn't to say that they will be easy to convince.

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For Medicaid, AHCA removes the essential health benefit categories for the expansion population, allowing states to create plans that cover fewer services, Kevin Malone, associate with Epstein Becker Green, tells Behavioral Healthcare Executive. In theory, states could choose to stop covering behavioral health for about 14 million Medicaid expansion enrollees.
http://www.behavioral.net/article/policy/behavioral-health-benefits-shift-gop-plan
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare eliminates mental health coverage from Medicaid on: March 21, 2017, 06:20:12 pm
What's really idiotic is that doing this is likely to end up costing the government as a whole more money. Of course, those added costs will end up being paid mainly by State and local governments, so it might save the Federal government a little money.

But the states will be the ones deciding whether or not to require mental health coverage, correct?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Texas Senate Passes Bill Allowing OBs To Keep Info From Pregnant Women on: March 21, 2017, 03:17:24 pm
https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB25/id/1548615

Good. Wrongful birth is a disgusting concept that completely negates the value of those with disabilities or imperfections of one kind or another.  If someone wants to sue on another basis for information improperly withheld, they still can.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who should be added to Mt. Rushmore? on: March 21, 2017, 03:03:29 pm
"No one" only has 3 votes?  You people are sick.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Tomi Lahren on: March 20, 2017, 05:34:40 pm
I can't help but feel embarrassed for her.  She gets some vile hate but the positive attention itself feels unseemly, like some combination of patronizing indulgence and exploitation.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of the Budget Blueprint to Make America Great Again on: March 18, 2017, 11:07:09 pm
It cuts a lot of important programs along with cuts to programs of more questionable usefulness, but the criticism of it have tended toward the absurd, like focusing on the 3% less going to Meals on Wheels as a result of getting rid of a grant distribution program.
12  General Discussion / History / Re: What happened to the West Virginia legislature in 1910? on: March 13, 2017, 12:43:52 am
Infighting left the party in a dysfunctional state in 1910, especially since party boss Sen. Stephen Elkins was in declining health. The tie in the state Senate as a result of that election resulted in a compromise that gave Democrats the appointment of the state's US senators that year, while otherwise leaving control of the WV Senate to the Republicans.  The US House delegation went from 0 to 4 out of 5 Democrat.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Post your ideology on: March 12, 2017, 09:23:45 pm
Libertarian socialism; small-"c" conservatism; deep ecology; archeofuturism.

I tried looking this up and got very confused.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone V: Born Under A Bad Sign on: March 12, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
First motorbike drive this year Smiley Of course I had to first put it together, which was annoying, but I feel great Smiley

was it an IKEA?
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Disgraced mods on: March 12, 2017, 01:41:01 pm
Kal, for this thread.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the Republican health plan designed to fail? on: March 12, 2017, 03:00:13 am
They've just made too many promises. They've made it their goal to have something that provides everything Obamacare does but better, while cutting the revenue it relies on.  So they're having trouble.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Comprehensive Marist Poll on Abortion on: March 12, 2017, 01:45:27 am
Good find, lots in here.

Even though "pro-choice" outnumbers "pro-life," strong support is evenly matched.  Over a quarter of those polled can identify as either at different times or are unsure how they would describe themselves.

"pro-life": 42%.  "strongly" (.42 x .61) = 25%  "somewhat" (.42 x .17) = 7%  "sometimes think of self as pro-choice" (.42 x .22) = 9%

"pro-choice": 52%. "strongly" (.52 x .52) =  27% "somewhat" (.52 x .23) = 11% "sometimes think of self as pro-life" (.52 x .24) = 12%

"unsure": 6%

So an abortion ban except in cases of rape, incest, and when a mother's life is threatened seems to be the median position in this country.

correct...just not the majority position.

Support for abortion being legal only under these conditions, or or only to save the mother, or never, add up to half. 
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress preparing bill to legalize genetic/health discrimination on: March 12, 2017, 01:05:06 am
It's not eugenics, though it does involve an obsession with a "healthy workforce."  It wouldn't legalize health discrimination - though it very well could facilitate it.

The proposal seems to be on the theory is that having access to genetic and health information would make these "Wellness programs" companies conduct more effective and personalized to the health needs of the individual employee.  And they're right in a sense.   If a company is saying "You have to do these wellness activities to get health insurance from us" then it could be counterproductive, or even unfair, based on that person's particular health needs, to expect them to follow a program that isn't tailored to them.  But if a company needs this information to conduct these programs properly, that just shows how extremely intrusive and controlling they are in the first place. 
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: German Federal Election 2017 on: March 10, 2017, 03:25:04 am
any new-rightie culturalist supporting the AfD should be wary of the strong, austrian-like, "old-school-racist-right" elements in the east.

austrian-like?
You have something against austrians? Tongue
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1860: Abraham Lincoln vs. Horatio Seymour vs. John Bell on: March 10, 2017, 02:36:58 am


Horatio Seymour (D-NY) / Joseph Lane (D-OR)      44%   71
Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) / Hannibal Hamlin (R-ME)  40% 169
John Bell (CU-TN) / Edward Everett (CU-MA)         16%   63

Seymour record as governor isn't good enough to keep the Republican message from winning the day in New York. Thanks to Lincoln taking a majority in almost every Northern state, the Republicans take the Electoral College in spite of losing the popular vote to the Democrats, who contest with the Bell in the South and Lincoln in the North.
21  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: German Federal Election 2017 on: March 09, 2017, 06:08:30 pm
LKR most likely.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 10:42:02 pm
Being obtuse is Shua's main schtick.

Perhaps I have too much faith in the willingness of people to examine their assumptions.

And maybe someone would if you seemed more motivated by curiosity and less by outrage and misguided pedantry.

So this is why you accused me of saying something and then started belittling me when I tried to engage with you to clear it up? The distinction between what I said and what I didn't is "pedantry"?

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A frequent thread in slave and prison narratives is that living in an atmosphere of total control with limited agency tends to narrow a person's moral circle, shorten their time horizon, and forces them approach life "one day at a time." This is not an assumption; it is a claim grounded in the experience of Douglass, Kuznetsov, Solzhenitsyn, and countless others.

There can be that tendency. But it wasn't ultimately able to erase the possibility of building strong emotional attachments, developing a hope-sustaining religion, long-term thought in the planting and growing of food for their families, creative expressions in music and art, and symbolically meaningful funerary practices. The hope for freedom and finding resiliency in systems of meaning are also common threads in slave and prison narratives.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who would be a better moderator? on: March 08, 2017, 02:09:15 am
both are probably the same person.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 01:33:58 am
Being obtuse is Shua's main schtick.

Perhaps I have too much faith in the willingness of people to examine their assumptions.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Zany Ben calls slaves 'immigrants' who worked harder 'for less' on: March 08, 2017, 12:52:02 am


Good grief.

You want to defend the idea that's been presented that it's wrong to say slaves had dreams for their children, just do it.
I'm eager to have a discussion about this that is grounded in history and not cynical memes.
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