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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW on: April 29, 2017, 05:53:22 pm
I am not a conservative, I am leftist, so, I didn't vote.

But I am neither a Hard Core Socialist nor SJW, so, I can talk about these two.

Many leftists, who are not Hard Core, consider that we need to fight for equality, but not remove individual liberties. Hard Core Socialists don't care about individual liberties. Of course, SJW are not like Stalin, Mao and Kim Family, but they don't care too much about individual liberties.

Many leftists like me, who are neither Hard Core nor SJW, think that prostitution should be legal and considered a job like any other, as we can see in Germany and Netherlands. SJW consider that buying sex should be a criminal offense, like in Sweden. SJW are anti-pornography too.
SJW consider that men can not have opinion of feminism and that whites can not have opinion of black movement. SJW think that white people can not have jamaican hair because this is cultural appropriation.

I guess you haven't come across "sex positive" SJWs.
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: AMA Oregon Progressive/ NoVA Green on: April 29, 2017, 04:40:38 pm
Can one be both an Oregon Progressive and a NoVA Green?
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives only, what the bigger evil: Hard Core Socialists or SJW on: April 28, 2017, 04:17:45 pm
In the US, as an ideology, SJWism - Not making judgements against individuals here, but against the threat that the ideological tendency represents in terms of limiting the parameters of acceptable discussion and belief, both institutionally and in interpersonal relations.  Hard Core Socialists hold little cultural or political influence in the US in comparison.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obama surpasses Hillary on the Wall Street Speaking Circuit on: April 28, 2017, 12:20:40 am
When Obama does it, it's okay because he has a penis, you see.

That's the wrong take. It's not a problem for Obama or Hillary or anyone else to do this.

Um, yes, there is? The leaders of the Democratic Party should not be cozying up to the ruling class.

Does that mean they have to sleep on the couch?
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Should private organizations be allowed to limit free speech? on: April 26, 2017, 04:45:40 pm
Legally allowed to?  Yes.

Should we be indifferent to it and never complain about it?  No.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: who would you vote for in each hypothetical french runoff on: April 25, 2017, 10:12:29 pm
Le Pen vs Mélenchon: null vote
Mélenchon vs Macron: Macron
Mélenchon vs Fillon: Fillon
Le Pen vs Macron: null vote
Le Pen vs Fillon: Fillon
Macron vs Fillon: Fillon

Le Pen, Melenchon and Macron are all fundamentally unacceptable, but would vote for Macron over Melenchon since Melenchon is bad on the same things that Macron is and then some.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: President dfwlibertylover/ Vice President Goldwater for Re-election! on: April 25, 2017, 09:42:40 pm
endorsed.
8  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: ATTN DAVE: 11,000 character limit on: April 24, 2017, 01:13:37 pm
I applaud the patience and attentiveness of anyone who gets all the way through reading a post with 11,000 characters.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: France 2017: Results Thread on: April 24, 2017, 12:31:51 am
Is there an idea of how certain minority groups voted? French Muslims, French Jews, French Black people, etc?

Jews - usually a strong constituency for the right. They probably voted for Fillon in big numbers. The FN were doing well with Jews, although Le Pen probably lost support over the Vel d'Hiv comments. Macron probably lost support with Jews, who are largely of North African/pied noir descent, with his comments on Algeria being a "war crime", and the left are probably perceived as being too close to Muslims.

Muslims and blacks - overwhelmingly for Mélenchon and Macron (basically see the results in Seine-Saint-Denis, and places like Vénissieux in the Rhône to get an idea.

Note that, in France, collecting data on ethnicity is illegal, so reliable figures are very hard to come by.

No one can collect it at all?
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the presidential runners-up: Final round on: April 23, 2017, 10:10:46 pm
McGovern wins!

Congrats George!

What was that campaign slogan again, "Go home America, you're drunk"?   Tongue
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mulvaney offers Democrats $1 for Obamacare funds for every $1 for wall funds on: April 23, 2017, 04:32:13 pm
?

If Congress has not appropriated an amount, then either Trump can't offer to spend it, or else they have given the administration a blank check.

The Obama administration had argued that due to the way PPACA was written, they didn't need a separate appropriation for those funds, and continued to fund it as such. The House sued them, and the lawsuit hasn't fully concluded, and I believe Republicans either scuttled it or attempted to scuttle it because they didn't want the exchanges to implode due to their own lawsuit, on their watch, because they know they would get blamed for it. They wanted the exchanges to collapse under Obama's watch. The lawsuit actually succeeded but the ruling was suspended pending appeal.

So Trump is merely working with the same logic Obama was using, and Republicans are indifferent for obvious reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/10/us/politics/affordable-care-act-trump-subsidies.html

Yeah, that seems pretty clearly illegal.  If Congress had any sense at all they would go ahead and just appropriate money for it while they figured out the other stuff.  Doesn't look like the Republicans attempted to scuttle the lawsuit against cost-sharing subsidies though - what happened was the elimination of them was part of the Ryan healthcare bill that got drowneded. 
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Explain this Virginia 1968 Map on: April 23, 2017, 04:17:15 pm
Check out this map of Slave population in 1860:
https://www.loc.gov/item/2010586922/

The Piedmont area of Virginia was defined historically by slavery and race, the mountains much less so.  Wallace did well in the Southern Piedmont of Virginia, winning those counties were enough blacks to scare the whites but not enough black voters to give Humphrey a win.   Shenandoah Valley & the Blue Ridge were generally the most Republican part of Virginia ever since the 1902 Constitution that disenfranchised blacks. These areas were German and 'Scots-Irish' in ancestry, as opposed to the more English whites of the Piedmont and Tidewater who had been traditionally been part of a society defined by greater hierarchy in terms of race and class.  In the 1920s-30s, coal country went in a different direction and trended more Democratic with the rise of labor unions.  The Nixon areas in the Northern Piedmont, in the Richmond area, and along the Bay - a lot of these historically Democratic counties went for Hoover in 1928, and then these areas went for Eisenhower and remained friendly to Republicans after that.  The expansion of the middle class has to do with some of this certainly as Rino Tom alluded to, though for some parts in the Bay at least I think that does not quite fit.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mulvaney offers Democrats $1 for Obamacare funds for every $1 for wall funds on: April 23, 2017, 02:48:23 pm
So it is up to the White House whether or how much to spend on CSR payments?  Congress has not appropriated a specific amount for this?

Congress hasn't, but they can choose to do so at anytime.

?

If Congress has not appropriated an amount, then either Trump can't offer to spend it, or else they have given the administration a blank check.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mulvaney offers Democrats $1 for Obamacare funds for every $1 for wall funds on: April 22, 2017, 09:33:39 pm
So it is up to the White House whether or how much to spend on CSR payments?  Congress has not appropriated a specific amount for this?
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Fremont Voting Booth: April 2017 Elections on: April 22, 2017, 04:40:39 pm
FOR SENATE (CLASS II)
ONE (1) to be elected.
[2] LongLiveRock of Colorado
Liberal Democracy Party - Labor Party
[1] TedBessell of California
Free Soil Party - Federalist Party
[   ] Write-in:
FOR HOUSE OF COMMONS
FIVE (5) to be elected.
[3] Anthony1691 of California
Unaffiliated - Labor Party
[6] Dr_Novella of California
Ecosocialist Party - Labor Party
[7] evergreen of Washington
Ecosocialist Party - Uncultured Marxist Party of Atlasia
[1] RFayette of California
Unaffiliated - Atlas Conservative Party
[4] Roy Barnes 2010 of Washington
Democratic Alliance - Labor Party
[5] Tirnam of California
Liberal Democracy Party - Labor Party
[ 2  ] Write-in: Simfan34
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How will Donald Trump be remembered in 2066? on: April 22, 2017, 03:29:52 am
Ivanka's father.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Unpleasant Kuckdom general election 2017: your vote? on: April 22, 2017, 01:18:25 am
Whichever one is promising to cancel Brexit

Lib Dem, then, but also ayy lmao for thinking there's a chance in hell of that.

I thought Labour was overwhelmingly in favor of Remain?

On paper, at least, they are, but they're not "~promising to cancel Brexit~".

Well that's dumb. Brexit only barely won and the losing side was horrified. Making a single issue "This is your second chance to stay in the EU!!!" seems like it would be a great way to galvanize voters and get them to the polls.

Brexit wouldn't have won without some support from Labour voters.
18  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you vote for in the French Presidential Election (First Round) on: April 21, 2017, 07:33:41 pm
this Lasalle guy seems interesting.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sanctuary Cities Face Aid Cuts as Justice Dept. Tightens Screws on: April 21, 2017, 06:58:54 pm
So officials will still be able to withhold information from the feds, but the local authorities can't force them to?

The statute cited by the Justice Department has very little to do with how most so-called sanctuary city policies actually operate. If the local Sheriff's Department doesn't know the immigration status of every inmate in the County Jail, then they aren't withholding "information regarding the citizenship or immigration status, lawful or unlawful, of any individual." 

Does that mean the Justice Dept probably won't be able to do anything that would hold up in Court based on this law?
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sanctuary Cities Face Aid Cuts as Justice Dept. Tightens Screws on: April 21, 2017, 06:42:29 pm
So officials will still be able to withhold information from the feds, but the local authorities can't force them to?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Dianne Feinstein booed for refusing to support single-payer health care on: April 21, 2017, 06:32:26 pm
A bit of an update: Dianne Feinstein outright said she won't sponsor Bernie Sanders's Medicare-for-All bill at her most recent town hall, saying she doesn't want "a takeover of all medicine in the United States." She got booed again, and some people cried "sellout!".

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2017/04/20/sen-feinstein-holds-heated-town-hall-in-south-la/

Sellout?  Did she used to support it?
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Florida State Sen. calls collegues "asshole", "bitch", and "n**gers" on: April 21, 2017, 06:22:28 pm
he said he called them "-ahs" not "-ers." Supposedly this is a crucial distinction and these are two separate words.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: anyone agree that conservative and liberal are contextual? on: April 21, 2017, 06:00:34 pm
They are words, so yes.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Maxine Waters? on: April 21, 2017, 05:58:30 pm
No one named 'Maxine' is going to be elected president.   Ever.
25  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Battle of the presidential runners-up: Final round on: April 21, 2017, 07:24:02 am
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In a couple of April 1972 speeches, he seemed to second Barry Goldwater’s 1968 remark to aide Karl Hess that “When the histories are written, I’ll bet that the Old Right and the New Left are put down as having a lot in common and that the people in the middle will be the enemy.”

“[M]ost Americans see the establishment center as an empty, decaying void that commands neither their confidence nor their love,” McGovern asserted in one of the great unknown campaign speeches in American history. “It is the establishment center that has led us into the stupidest and cruelest war in all history. . .’”
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/come-home-america-2/

Two good choices, as presidential candidates go.. but I'll go with AuH2O.
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