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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Oxford School of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts IV on: Today at 11:03:52 pm
Tweed is a literal sociopath, who, if we lived in a decent society, would probably be in jail right now.

Our prison population is decent enough without the wholesale prosecution of thought crimes.
2  General Politics / Economics / Re: Hawaii most expensive state to live, Mississippi cheapest on: August 19, 2014, 11:51:01 pm
Hawaii has a significant homelessness problem and I'm guessing this has something to do with it.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: How would have Hillary's 2008 map differed? on: August 19, 2014, 11:48:10 pm
There was a lot of talk after the crash about the bill signed by Bill Clinton lifting Glass-Steagal as being a cause of the crash.  Hillary vs Obama in terms of there advantage would be one of experience vs. change, and as Obama's campaign showed 2008 was generally more a season for the latter. Competing with Hillary, McCain might have been more able to make a claim upon the mantle of reform.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: RNC Condemns AP Exam's 'Radically Revisionist View' Of U.S. History on: August 19, 2014, 11:12:54 pm

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"Instead of striving to build a 'City upon a Hill,' as generations of students have been taught, the colonists are portrayed as bigots who developed 'a rigid racial hierarchy' that was in turn derived from 'a strong belief in British racial and cultural superiority,'" the letter reads. "The new Framework continues its theme of oppression and conflict by reinterpreting Manifest Destiny from a belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technologies across the continent to something that 'was built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority.'"
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There is a kernel of truth in both interpretations, and yet both are awful oversimplifications.  Any multiple choice test for history that goes beyond dates and places is an exceedingly stupid idea.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: August Senate Election - Tracker and Discussion Thread on: August 19, 2014, 10:57:55 am
The Bicameral Birthing Amendment of 2014 passed the Senate, with seven votes affirmative, two opposed, and one abstention.

Now, these are the numbers from the regions vote:

Pacific - 17% reported - Aye 2 (40%) Nay 3 (60%)
Northeast - 14% reported - Aye 2 (33%) Nay 4 (67%)
Midwest - Polls not open
Mideast - Polls not open
IDS - Polls not open

If I'm not wrong, the Amendment needs to pass in the majority of regions, so 3 regions should voting for the passage of the Amendment.

Unless they changed it when I wasn't looking, it needs to pass in 3/4 of the regions, which is in effect 4/5 of the regions.
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Adoption is an Alternative Act (Debating) on: August 19, 2014, 10:47:51 am
just so people are aware, this also exists:

http://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Infant_Abandonment_Act_%28federal%29
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Democratic-Republican Party Convention, August 2014 on: August 19, 2014, 10:41:28 am
The Ballot:

[X] Northeast Represenative Deus (DR-NY)
[ ] Senator Lumine (Fed-UT)
[ ] Senator Dr. Cynic (Lab-PA)
[ ] Former President Polnut (TPP-MA)
[X] Former Assemblyman JCL (Fed-IN)
[ ] Senator Alfred F. Jones (Lab-RI)
[X] Former SoIA GAworth (P.E.A.C.E-SD)
[ ] Former Senator Clarence (Fed-FL)
[X] Former Legislator Mechaman (Bad Party-IN)
[X] Poirot (Independent-AR)
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: TESCO Analytics: Hypothetical federal law on: August 19, 2014, 01:31:46 am
Neighh!! The anti-pony brigade must be stopped, for the sake of freedom!
In troubled times like these, may we be guided by equinimity.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine playing politics wih Tyrion's nomination for VP on: August 19, 2014, 01:23:45 am
In spite of some humorously melodramatic circle-jerking going on in this thread, I have to say I don't understand the objection against confirming Tyrion either.  He's been an active and competent Senator, and I think he's a fine pick for the job.  Sure it would be nice  to have someone of a right-leaning persuasion as VP, but given whom Atlasia elected President that isn't something anyone can fairly expect.  Having one of the more moderate Laborites fill the position is not a bad deal.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton Vs. Paul on: August 19, 2014, 01:03:07 am
Paul would win 55% to 45%




Crack is bad for you. I would advise against it.
She said she would deport illegals and she is a warmonger. Hilary has zero appeal. Only Castro can save her.

You mean because she'd be more hawkish against Cuba?  Sure, but what can Castro do at this point?  Perhaps the memory of him is enough.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary is an unrestrained warmonger on: August 19, 2014, 12:53:45 am
I don't see how wanting to protect our country (and other countries) from terrorism makes one an "unrestrained warmonger." The thing that most of the so-called "True Progressives" on this forum can't seem to understand is that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. When you second-guess a terrorist, that's how innocent lives are lost. Hillary understands this, having watched her constituents attacked on September 11, 2001. Hillary knows that diplomacy is the best policy for negotiating in foreign affairs and understands that war should always be the last option. She has the knowledge and experience to truly understand how the world works having visited over 150 countries during her tenure at Secretary of State. I would trust her more on foreign policy than I would any alleged "dove."

what?

What did he say that wasn't clear? He clearly separated terrorists vs routine foreign affairs. 



It's not clear for one thing what it means that dipolmacy is the best policy for negotiating.  Is there a kind of negotiation in foreign affairs that doesn't involve diplomacy?  More substantially, dealing with terrorism is routine at this point.  The possibility of a war that is not a response to terrorism or the perceived threat of terrorism has for a while now been the exception rather than the rule when it comes to U.S. foreign policy.  If we can't negotiate with terrorists (a very broad category) that constrains policy a great deal and does not in any way make war a matter of last resort.
12  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: When did you first hear of.... on: August 19, 2014, 12:41:50 am
Barack Obama: 2004 Senate campaign against Alan Keyes

Hillary Clinton: 1992

Joe Biden: 2000 or maybe before... I'm not sure

George W. Bush: 1997 or so

Dick Cheney: I think I was vaguely aware of him during the Gulf War.

Mitt Romney: 2006

John McCain: mid 1990s, from some glowing profile on him on 60 minutes

Rudy Giuliani: 1998 or so

Ron Paul: late 2002, noticed him on C-SPAN as one of the few politicians critical of the War in Afghanistan

Sarah Palin: 2007, when she was being put forth as an example of a reformer in the party by Ross Douthat and other people who can't stand her now

Michelle Bachmann: I think she spoke at the 2008 convention

Newt Gingrich: 1994

Rick Santorum: 1994, after the election, TIME magazine had a picture of him and Arlen Spector, noting the contrast
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do non-Human transgender animals exist? on: August 17, 2014, 09:28:01 pm
Thinking about this some more, I suspect some animals do have a concept of male and female.  They are social creatures, and complex male and female roles are often part of animal social patterns.  It's hard to say where instinct ends and learning begins, or if they can be disentangled at all, but the idea that an animal might model themselves after or otherwise follow a pattern different from their physiological sex isn't out of the question . . . so perhaps that would qualify. 
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: 1912 Presidential Election on: August 17, 2014, 09:15:56 pm
likely Taft, though w/o hindsight I'd consider a vote for Wilson, especially as being preferable to TR.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gay Teen Commits Suicide due to bullying; his donated eyes are rejected. on: August 17, 2014, 09:08:56 pm
As everybody knows, gay men are the only people capable of contracting HIV/AIDS.  What's more, it's just far too expensive and time consuming to test blood and organs for any diseases.

how long can an organ be kept functional outside a living body?
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which would you rather do for one whole week? on: August 17, 2014, 09:05:32 pm
Depends on the scenario under which either of these occur.  Neither of these would be a bad thing under the right conditions.  If it is a matter of having to actively avoid either one of these that can be a pain. Avoiding politics would be more of a task with my usual habits, but if I'm working at camp or on vacation or something I don't mind doing so at all.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hillary is an unrestrained warmonger on: August 17, 2014, 01:56:48 pm
I don't see how wanting to protect our country (and other countries) from terrorism makes one an "unrestrained warmonger." The thing that most of the so-called "True Progressives" on this forum can't seem to understand is that you cannot negotiate with terrorists. When you second-guess a terrorist, that's how innocent lives are lost. Hillary understands this, having watched her constituents attacked on September 11, 2001. Hillary knows that diplomacy is the best policy for negotiating in foreign affairs and understands that war should always be the last option. She has the knowledge and experience to truly understand how the world works having visited over 150 countries during her tenure at Secretary of State. I would trust her more on foreign policy than I would any alleged "dove."

what?
18  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Ross Perot on: August 16, 2014, 02:05:38 am
you're cherrypicking. 

Ross Perot also said repeatedly that "Government is a business, and therefore it should be run like a business."  His dress code, hair code, and fraternization code at his Addison-based company, EDS, was so strict that many candidates were turned off enough not to accept employment there, even with a generous salary.  Many articles were written about this.  He was also a power projectionist and a Bush Doctrinaire even before Bush.  In the campaign of 1992 he often talked about greater US commitments abroad.  He also campaigned on reducing government, both in terms of offices and employees.  Specifically he targeted the education and welfare bureaucracies.  He was also a fan of partial privatization of Social Security, and basing the indexing on a lower rate of inflation. 

I don't think we would regard him so much as a liberal as a Third Wayer.  With the exception of his positions on international trade and the ideal size of government, he's pretty much aligned with Obama.  I'm certain he'd also approve of increased surveillance and weapons-equipped drones trained to kill both US citizens and foreigners.  Nothing particularly liberal about that, I'd imagine.

At the time, though, many of his supporters called him "liberal."  I do remember conversations with several of his supporters in particular.  To be fair, Bill Clinton was dragging his own party rightward throughout the 90s, and George Bush had been so coddled and pampered that he didn't even recognize a supermarket scanner, so there wasn't really a good basis for comparison.  By the standards of the two major candidates at the time, it isn't surprising that so many called him a "liberal."



Bush Doctrine?   How so?  I know he was pretty critical of the Gulf War.  I think aside from being big into U.S. sovereignty he was hard to classify on foreign policy.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: GOP is making fake news sites to fool low-information voters on: August 16, 2014, 02:01:49 am
Meanwhile respected news sites, in order to get ad revenue, link to fake news stories that attempt to fool low-information consumers.  A larger trend where so much is being passed for journalism that isn't makes this possible.
20  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do non-Human transgender animals exist? on: August 16, 2014, 01:24:21 am
I don't think animals worry much about what gender they are.  They may have behaviors and relationships normally associated more with the other sex of their species, but I'd think a transgender identity requires highly abstract and probably even linguistic categories.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Allen West: Obama is an "Islamist" on: August 16, 2014, 01:15:59 am
Why are all black Republicans all radical right wing birther Tea Party nuts? Christ, can't they wheel out a moderate token black Republican ?

My guess is that since most Republicans are uncomfortable and downright hostile to blacks at times, is that they need to show that they are true believers.

The only recent moderate black Republicans I can think of are Michael Steele, Gary Franks (US Rep from CT in the '80s/'90s) and perhaps Rod Paige (GWB's education secretary).

There were also those two Secretaries of State.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Church cancels gay man's funeral on: August 16, 2014, 01:05:10 am
I don't normally ask about such things, but I'm too curious.  What does your signature represent?  It looks like a bit of marginalia from a medieval manuscript.  Those were some pretty detailed and whimsical images.  A rabbit riding a dog with a snail of prey on his arm fits the bill.  Intriguing image, but what statement are you making with it?  Was it penned by the Church's first openly gay archbishop and we're all meant to recognize it?  Is it a metaphor for some political statement?  Or is it one of those, "well, if you have to ask, then you probably wouldn't understand it anyway" sort of devices?


The only statement I'm making with my signature is to point out the awesome imagination of medieval illustrators. Smiley
23  General Politics / Economics / Re: Job Openings in U.S. Increase to Highest Level Since 2001 on: August 14, 2014, 04:46:54 pm
Companies are going to have to lower their expectations with experience. The workforce is getting younger and transitional.

I'm sure there's plenty of young educated people capable of filling a lot of these jobs with a good month of training, despite their lack of 5-7 years experience.

I blame a lot of our weak labor force participation problems on employers and, more specifically, accounting driven business school mentalities. Efforts to streamline have put unreasonable expectations on HR to find people who don't need to be trained and work for below market value.

I think there's a lot of truth to that.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Sexual Morality Poll on: August 13, 2014, 08:03:44 pm
I seem to be in the minority on number five, but why should we let social mores play such a big role here? The question did not say "without permission." If both of you agree to an open relationship or want to go to a key party, who am I to say that's wrong? You're not hurting anyone by having sex with a person other than your spouse if your spouse is supportive and enthusiastic about it.

Social mores exist for a reason. There is risk involved. There may be cases where both partners are genuinely enthusiastic about the other person having sex with someone else, but that doesn't guarantee it won't affect the emotional (including sexual) quality of the relationship, or indeed the emotions of the other people each partner is having sex with. 
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Attention Regional Executives: Amendment has passed the Senate on: August 13, 2014, 01:40:18 pm
why is "held legally" is bold? 
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