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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of dead0man on: Today at 02:39:11 am
I probably would've voted FF a week ago, but his post in that shooting thread was disgusting and the obsession with Bushie is getting old (particularly when placed in context with the former). He should go back to being an FF on Israel.

It would seem dead0man is much less obsessed with Bushie than are the people he is criticizing.  Saying "it's not bullying because you can be insensitive too" isn't a good argument.     
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1976:Carter/Mondale vs. Reagan/Schweiker on: November 23, 2014, 11:58:25 pm
Would Conservatism be the big deal it is today? Or would they find another standard bearer for 1980...or even 84 or 88?

If the Right is able to get Reagan the nomination in 76, I think they'd be able to do it again in 80, when the environment is more friendly to him, and movement conservatism has more institutional strength.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: These Morons are back! on: November 23, 2014, 11:51:51 pm
The guy is a Dixiecrat

That's a curious use of the term
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1976:Carter/Mondale vs. Reagan/Schweiker on: November 23, 2014, 09:36:04 pm


Carter/Mondale      51%  321
Reagan/Schweiker  47% 217
5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is IceSpear going too far with the Hillary hackism? on: November 23, 2014, 06:41:48 pm
For the record, I went "no." It is annoying, but it's his right

No it's not justified or no it's not going too far? 
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: The New Governors: #1 on: November 23, 2014, 06:08:14 pm
probably Baker and Hutchinson, with honorable mentions to Raimondo and Walker.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Incoming Nevada Speaker is a real piece of work on: November 23, 2014, 05:58:34 pm
http://politicalwire.com/2014/11/20/incoming-nevada-speaker-left-a-paper-trail/

The Reno News and Review dug up the past writings of Nevada Assembly speaker-designate Ira Hansen (R) which would make him “one of the most controversial speakers in Nevada history.”

“While members of the GOP caucus talked about a united front, they selected as speaker a legislator who is one of the most contentious public officials in the state. Hansen doesn’t like blacks, gays, Israel, many Republicans, and most Nevadans—he once wrote that newcomers to the state, who constitute four of every five Nevadans, should accept Nevada as it is or leave.”

Here are a couple choice quotes:

On race: “The relationship of Negroes and Democrats is truly a master-slave relationship, with the benevolent master knowing what’s best for his simple minded darkies. For American blacks, being denied choice and forced to attend the failing and inferior government school system is a form of involuntary servitude. Let’s call it what it truly is—educational slavery.”

On women: “Today, when Army men look at women in the ranks with ’longing in their eyes’ it very well may constitute ’sexual harassment.’ The truth is, women do not belong in the Army or Navy or Marine Corps, except in certain limited fields.

Sounds like a mainstream Republican.  What's the issue here?
Mainstream republicans don't support slavery. Heck, I don't think Jim Risch (most conservative member of the senate) supports slavery.

He wasn't supporting slavery.  He was saying Democrats keep blacks in slavery. 

You act as if that's somehow better.

You seriously think that advocating slavery is no worse than comparing something to slavery?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NSA reform bill goes down in flames on: November 23, 2014, 03:26:30 pm
Bill Nelson didn't vote with his party and Rand Paul was a coward. These are the reasons this bill failed today.

You could argue that he is a fool, making the perfect the enemy of the good, but there's nothing here to suggest he is being cowardly on this issue.  It's not only cynical to suggest Paul voted the way he did to sell out for his political future, it's also a misreading of the political landscape.  A more accurate cynicism is to note that Republicans generally had little problem with an intrusive security apparatus so long as there was a Republican president, but that with a Democrat in the WH a Republican seeking to get support from the base risks next to nothing opposing the NSA.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Incoming Nevada Speaker is a real piece of work on: November 23, 2014, 03:14:20 pm
http://politicalwire.com/2014/11/20/incoming-nevada-speaker-left-a-paper-trail/

The Reno News and Review dug up the past writings of Nevada Assembly speaker-designate Ira Hansen (R) which would make him “one of the most controversial speakers in Nevada history.”

“While members of the GOP caucus talked about a united front, they selected as speaker a legislator who is one of the most contentious public officials in the state. Hansen doesn’t like blacks, gays, Israel, many Republicans, and most Nevadans—he once wrote that newcomers to the state, who constitute four of every five Nevadans, should accept Nevada as it is or leave.”

Here are a couple choice quotes:

On race: “The relationship of Negroes and Democrats is truly a master-slave relationship, with the benevolent master knowing what’s best for his simple minded darkies. For American blacks, being denied choice and forced to attend the failing and inferior government school system is a form of involuntary servitude. Let’s call it what it truly is—educational slavery.”

On women: “Today, when Army men look at women in the ranks with ’longing in their eyes’ it very well may constitute ’sexual harassment.’ The truth is, women do not belong in the Army or Navy or Marine Corps, except in certain limited fields.

Sounds like a mainstream Republican.  What's the issue here?
Mainstream republicans don't support slavery. Heck, I don't think Jim Risch (most conservative member of the senate) supports slavery.

He wasn't supporting slavery.  He was saying Democrats keep blacks in slavery. 
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is "the American people" a dog whistle term to refer to white conservatives? on: November 23, 2014, 02:11:13 pm
Dog Whistles 101

No, Dog Whistles 101 is this: If you can hear a dog whistle, what does that make you?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is "Is" a dog whistle? on: November 23, 2014, 04:08:01 am


"Is" = dog whistle
"Is" = not dog whistle
tossup
cat whistle
12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Which Song is Better? on: November 23, 2014, 03:32:46 am
Man, that was a hard one, uh.

But option 1.

Quite.  I like this performance better though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs_CNnCqYvU
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA: Puckett's Senate exit undid T-Mac's plan for Medexpansion on: November 23, 2014, 12:36:14 am
Even with Puckett, it would have been a long shot.  Why would the heavily Republican House have assented to the budget McAuliffe was hoping would pass if the narrowly Republican Senate didn't?
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1968: Johnson vs. Nixon vs. Wallace. on: November 22, 2014, 09:18:24 pm
Nixon does significantly better than IRL as a vote for LBJ is more clearly a vote for the status quo.  Wallace does slightly better among Northern Democrats and slightly worse among Southern Democrats than against HHH. The Left stays home or votes for minor/protest candidates.




Nixon/Agnew  47%  383

LBJ/HHH         38%  110   
Wallace/LeMay 14%   45
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Last round of negotiations on Iran nuclear program on: November 22, 2014, 08:19:20 pm
I think the idea at this point is to make an agreement to make an agreement.

Hopefully there's still a chance Barack can finally earn his Peace Prize.
16  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: 2014 a GOP R+6 election on: November 22, 2014, 08:10:03 pm
They didn't include write-in votes in these totals.

Why are some of the FL results blank?  I noticed this was the case in the spreadsheet Lief linked to also.
17  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Racism Powered Republican Triumph on: November 22, 2014, 05:39:39 pm
I'm sure had it been a white Democrat against a black Republican, many current Republicans wouldn't have hesitated for a second to split their tickets.

The results of the 2013 Virginia lieutenant gubernatorial election suggest otherwise...

While there were more than a few Cuccinelli/Northam counties throughout the state; Southwest Virginia, the whitest and most conservative part of the state, had no problem voting for Jackson over Northam.

Many of those who voted for Jackson, it's true, surely knew nothing about his race or anything else about him apart from his party. It is interesting however that SW Virginia is the one region with several counties that voted for both Wilder in 1989 and Jackson in 2013.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is "the American people" a dog whistle term to refer to white conservatives? on: November 22, 2014, 05:19:47 pm
No, but "hardworking Americans" and "the taxpayers" are examples of terms that are better dog whistle candidates.

Both of those are also too vague and over-used by all sides to be dog whistles.

Liberals/Democrats rarely make reference to taxpayers. The implication is (1) that some people pay tax and some don't (everyone has to pay SS/FICA taxes and even if you get your entire income tax withholding refunded back to you, you essentially gave the government a one-year interest-free loan) and (2) that somehow your worth as a citizen or your right to determine policy is determined by how much tax you pay.

The Left prefers the term "working families" even when the families in question do not actually work.

The Left (as opposed to moderate Democrats) doesn't use the term "taxpayers" because it has no rhetorical value for someone advocating increased spending and wealth redistribution. Unless they are going after spending abuses in the Pentagon, or other spending the Left doesn't like, in which case the term makes sense. 
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1984: Reagan vs Glenn on: November 22, 2014, 02:55:35 pm


Reagan/Bush   56%
Glenn/Cuomo    43%
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1968: Kennedy/Hearnes vs. Reagan/Case on: November 22, 2014, 02:20:13 pm
Both candidates run against LBJ in different ways. RFK calls for a quick negotiated settlement in Vietnam, and calls for reform in the War on Poverty.  Reagan calls for a more muscular approach both to war and crime, and a more radical critique of the welfare state - while avoiding many of the pitfalls Goldwater had run into four years earlier.  Reagan is well to the right of the electorate, but his campaign skills and the dissatisfaction in the country allow him a win.



Reagan/Case 51% 342
Kennedy/Hearnes 48% 196
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NSA reform bill goes down in flames on: November 22, 2014, 03:01:37 am
I highly doubt Rand voted against this because of cowardice. Ted Cruz voted in favor so it's not like he would be attacked for it.

Rand voted against it supposedly because it didn't go far enough.
Which is of course a load of bull. He did that because he doesn't want to get attacked in the Republican primary as being "soft on terrorism".
Except that, a) Ted Cruz voted in favor of the bill (did you even read my post?), and b) as I've already pointed out, this bill would extend the Patriot Act's expiration date by several years but would supposedly protect civil liberties by "hiring privacy advocates." That clearly isn't a worthwhile trade-off to anyone who cares more about civil liberties than making it seem like Democrats actually give a sh**t about the government spying on people.

Also, this disingenuous bill was opposed in the House by Justin Amash, so unless you think him and Rand Paul are part of a libertarian conspiracy to support government surveillance, there are clearly principled anti-surveillance reasons for opposing this.

I believe the bill was actually put forward by Amash to begin with, before it got amended to death and he turned against it.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: House approves Keystone Pipeline....onto the Senate on: November 22, 2014, 02:09:51 am
Justin Amash voted "Present." 

He makes an interesting point about the propriety of this legislation.  On a previous version of this bill:
Quote
I voted present on H R 3, Northern Route Approval Act. The Keystone XL pipeline is a private project owned by TransCanada Corporation. This bill improperly exempts TransCanada Corporation—and no other company—from laws that require pipeline owners and operators to obtain certain government permits and approvals.

I support construction of the Keystone XL pipeline, and holding it up for over four years (with no end in sight) for political reasons is wrong. It's improper, however, for Congress to write a bill that names and benefits one private project, while doing nothing to address the underlying problems that allowed such delays to occur. The Constitution gives Congress the power "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations," but the Rule of Law requires that legislation be of general, not specific, applicability. A proper bill would address the circumstances that allow *any* such project to be held up for political reasons, not just Keystone XL.
https://www.facebook.com/repjustinamash/posts/557041991001878
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Obamacare Silver Plans prices falling, on average, 0.2% in 48 cities on: November 22, 2014, 01:55:09 am
It looks more like the plans are stabilizing. The increases appear to be counties had really low rates last year moving to the state average whilec decreases are high rate counties moving down to average.  Every county in Georgia for example seems to be around 300 for 2015 after ranging 250-350 2014.

In Ohio, it seems almost like the opposite, as high prices in Southeast climb even higher, while other parts of the state have either a more modest increase or a decrease.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Mideast Voting Booth: November 2014 Elections on: November 22, 2014, 01:43:16 am
Legislative Election:
[2] Spiral
[1] Shua
[4] TDAS04
[3] Bmotley
[5] New Canadaland
[   ] Write-In: ____________
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Discuss with maps: Bush/Portman vs Webb/Warren on: November 22, 2014, 12:57:36 am
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