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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of that Bernie Sanders is a draft dodger on: Today at 11:32:01 am
I don't judge him for this, but a veteran might understandably feel differently.

I'd have done the same and dodged if I could, but I would feel some guilt over it and definitely a special obligation to make a positive difference in the world, given someone else was likely to go instead.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bill kristol announces that someone will run third party on: Today at 12:52:12 am
I really don't understand why Bill Kristol et al don't just get behind Johnson/Weld. I mean...they were good enough as Governors for the party, weren't they? Their views really haven't changed all that much. Ballot access in 49 states (and they may have it in OK this year, too).

I could see Kristol thinking something like "but the standard-bearer needs to be chosen by the elite establishment types like us for it to mean anything", but most of the types that'd be likely to vote for an independent conservative are in lock-step with Libertarian economy policy broadly speaking (worried about their personal incomes and levels of taxation, as opposed to those favoring subsidies for their industries and so forth, the latter of which makes up an insignificant sum of voters). They don't care about social issues one way or another for the most part.

Is Kristol still of the persuasion that they're going to be able to throw it to the House? Furthermore, does he believe that the GOP House would screw Trump in such a way when they haven't been willing to man up and attack him throughout this whole ordeal (perpetually until it was too late) or stay the course and try to pull the rug out from under him at the convention?

What makes you think people who would vote for an independent conservative against Trump mostly don't care about abortion or other social controversies?  If someone isn't willing to support Trump, that's likely the sort of issue they are passionate enough about that it would keep them from supporting Hillary either.  There are plenty who fall into this category, especially more educated religious conservatives.

And Kristol is a hawk, he wants someone more willing to be interventionist than Johnson.

With regard to abortion in particular:

1) Because the people who are likely being targeted by such an effort are largely going to be of that persuasion (or at the very least, issues like abortion aren't going to be the main reason they're not supporting Trump).

2) I fully expect the vast majority of single-issue voters regarding abortion - as other assorted evangelicals - to get lock, stock and barrel behind Trump; his history on the subject is no different than Romney's and their history of abandoning key tenets of their religion in pursuit of their partisan and personal worldviews is well-established.

3) The ones who actually would rebel over this/are consistent/aren't hypocrites likely did so in 2012 as well and/or are people who vote third-party fairly often, or who did in the past election at minimum. Therefore and in reality, they are not necessarily the targets of such a campaign that will only serve any meaningful purpose if its goal is to drain votes from Trump (aka Romney 2012 voters, or at least the ones who are rather mainline, moderate, well-off, etc). If they're consistent on the issue, then they were third-party voters 4 years ago as well.

The difference is that Romney's personal life and general behavior was not directly contradictory to their moral views.  Pro-lifers are not generally single issue voters in the sense that you suggest, i.e. that they literally don't care about any other aspect of a candidate's positions or character, but there are many for whom support for abortion rights is still a deal-breaker, meaning a candidate being pro-life on abortion is necessary but not sufficient. 
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cruz fiorina resurected on: May 30, 2016, 10:30:06 am
What?! Really?  LoL  ...Oh, nvm

I wish hypotheticals would be described as such in the thread titles.   
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bill kristol announces that someone will run third party on: May 30, 2016, 10:28:09 am
I really don't understand why Bill Kristol et al don't just get behind Johnson/Weld. I mean...they were good enough as Governors for the party, weren't they? Their views really haven't changed all that much. Ballot access in 49 states (and they may have it in OK this year, too).

I could see Kristol thinking something like "but the standard-bearer needs to be chosen by the elite establishment types like us for it to mean anything", but most of the types that'd be likely to vote for an independent conservative are in lock-step with Libertarian economy policy broadly speaking (worried about their personal incomes and levels of taxation, as opposed to those favoring subsidies for their industries and so forth, the latter of which makes up an insignificant sum of voters). They don't care about social issues one way or another for the most part.

Is Kristol still of the persuasion that they're going to be able to throw it to the House? Furthermore, does he believe that the GOP House would screw Trump in such a way when they haven't been willing to man up and attack him throughout this whole ordeal (perpetually until it was too late) or stay the course and try to pull the rug out from under him at the convention?

What makes you think people who would vote for an independent conservative against Trump mostly don't care about abortion or other social controversies?  If someone isn't willing to support Trump, that's likely the sort of issue they are passionate enough about that it would keep them from supporting Hillary either.  There are plenty who fall into this category, especially more educated religious conservatives.

And Kristol is a hawk, he wants someone more willing to be interventionist than Johnson.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarian National Convention thread on: May 29, 2016, 10:27:29 pm
The thing that bugs me about Johnson this time is he has shown doesn't have a commitment to religious liberty, whether it was him flirting with a burka ban and talking about the dangers of Sharia in America, or opposing the idea that a person's conscience should allow them to limit what they perform in the market.  Add to that Bill Weld, who has supported broad use of eminent domain and just today called opponents of abortion "anti-choice,"  and I'm not sure who I'm supporting this time.  I'm somewhat less libertarian in my views than I was 4 yrs ago anyway, but I'm not supporting either Trump or Hillary, so I should be a part of their audience.  But they aren't making it easy for me. 
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What State do you think Johnson/Weld has the best chance of winning? on: May 29, 2016, 10:13:59 pm
my guess is WY, but the chance of it happening is very low.

7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarian National Convention thread on: May 29, 2016, 05:40:48 pm
That makes me positive that I will not support a Libertarian this year. Vote Trump!!!!
Ugh. I'm backing Trump too, but the Libertarian ticket actually is decent this year. Weld is more conservative and more libertarian (the two are not exclusive) than Peterson, Cruz, and co.

how is Weld a conservative?
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters in 7500 BC on: May 29, 2016, 07:53:55 am
Look, you know Og doesn't have a problem with you plastering your grandpa's skull.  Og's problem with it is when shua uses bones of sacred tree rat to do it.  Why not shua use ground bird, or cave monster bones like regular man?

watch out it's a T-Rex!!

   Tongue
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Death Penalty is sought for Charleston killer on: May 29, 2016, 07:47:06 am
Why is this "good?" The victims families have sought not to execute him and many of you identify as pro-life.

I'd much prefer to see this terrorist spend the remainder of his days being sodomized in his cell until he hangs himself with his sheets or dies in a prison hospital.

The families who do not seek to execute him are not wishing what you suggest either.  Wishing for someone else to kill him rather than the state is not any more pro-life.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Is Hollywood media racist? on: May 28, 2016, 11:45:19 pm
only when it sells.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarian National Convention thread on: May 28, 2016, 11:37:09 pm
I'd love to see more of Feldman.  maybe he should be VP.
12  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Posters in 7500 BC on: May 28, 2016, 10:15:01 am
Everyone has a right to plaster the skulls of their ancestors.   I'm sick of these big government bull-worshippers interfering with our beliefs.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Big government liberal scientists: cell phones cause cancer; nation panics on: May 28, 2016, 10:09:04 am
Thankfully, rodents typically use landlines.
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of FreePhoenix on: May 27, 2016, 02:25:14 pm
I support freeing Phoenix, so ff. 
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Conservatives of atlas, are you aware that it is, in fact, 2016? on: May 27, 2016, 02:18:02 pm
I just got an email advertising breast implants, so yes, I am afraid I am.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump in Utah (general election) on: May 27, 2016, 01:17:47 pm
Why is winning with less than 50% not an option in this poll?  That's probably the most likely result at this point.
17  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Why doesn't the GOP ditch the religious right and culture warriors? on: May 27, 2016, 04:00:35 am
Do they really make up that substantial of a voting block?

do you live in Utah Huh
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: May 2016 House of Representatives Elections on: May 27, 2016, 03:18:18 am
1. Goldwater
2. rpryor3
3. JCL
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The SteveMcQueen Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V on: May 27, 2016, 01:24:40 am
Had great family trip to Warmia-Masuria. Now, being exhausted and having by eyes bleeding, I'm off to bed.
is that considered part of  Eastern Poland?
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of MK? on: May 27, 2016, 01:23:06 am
I haven't really noticed him so he can't be all that bad.  ff
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Classic Conservative on: May 25, 2016, 12:48:12 am
This disgusting hatemonger is one truly messed up kid.

and creating threads like these is not a healthy response.

he's what, 14?   At that age I believed in confiscatory 100% tax rates for people over median income, and in universal mandatory sterilization in order to prevent child abuse.   Adolescence is weird,  for some of us more than others.   But, I learned from smart people who showed me the error of my ways, and he may as well.  But berating him isn't going to help.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Breaking: Ryan expected to end standoff with Trump on: May 25, 2016, 12:10:10 am
this is a story is a big nothing at this point.   Some unnamed source says Ryan is uncomfortable with the current situation, as if we couldn't guess that already.  Doesn't mean he is going to be endorsing him.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If you could break a law... on: May 24, 2016, 11:54:15 pm
what, no vandalism option?
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: May 24, 2016, 11:47:33 pm
I was wondering when someone would post that here. I'm thinking it was a regular user who created an account just to post that, which, if true, makes me think it might have a whiff of legitimacy to it since they wanted to post it anonymously.
  nah socks are a pretty standard satire vehicle too though.   whoever it is, I hope they stick around.
25  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Icespear deciding to act like a racist WV republican on: May 24, 2016, 11:44:22 pm
I still don't see all of these offended people you guys are talking about...

Here is the thread I was referring to. Apparently, the incident was extremely offensive and traumatizing to many posters.

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=231503.0

People are playing it a lot more cool in this thread. But the fact that a) it exists and b) has so much whinging in it means it is still stirring beneath the surface.


You need to either stay in character or drop the act.
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