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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's wrong with the Rand Paul campaign? on: Today at 10:52:35 am
He's unfocused, a different theme every week.  He's responding to the news cycle, not making it like he did with his filibusters.  He needs to let himself stick out from the rest of the pack.
2  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political Quiz List. Are you a Quiz Whiz? on: Today at 10:46:19 am
Neo Liberal:  100%


Liberal: 61%

Neocons don't support war for oil, they support war to remake the world's politics.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Have you already felt that the electoral maps did not fit to personal experience on: Today at 10:42:27 am
I spent a summer south of Asheville, NC near the SC border. I got the impression it was more liberal than what I saw on the map.
4  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Moderated post point system in process of being removed. on: Today at 10:38:03 am
Thanks Dave, this has the potential at least to improve things.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: MA: Family Farming Regulatory Relief Act (Debating) on: July 27, 2015, 11:56:33 pm

I strongly support this.
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Don Bluth Films on: July 27, 2015, 11:32:57 pm
I want to say freedom films, but TBH the number of bad films on there outweigh the good.

Yes but I'd say the greatness of the few great films outweigh the shortcomings of the others.

American Tail is such a classic. 
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Boston selected as the 2024 U.S. Olympic Nominee. on: July 27, 2015, 11:25:11 pm
I personally would've went with SF, but Boston's cool too.

If Boston were to host the Olympics, financial issues would be a huge pain though. Ugh.

A big enough pain that Boston has withdrawn its bid.  The city was unwilling to be placed on the hook for potential cost overruns.


A Boston Olympics would have been neat, but for the sake of the city I'm glad sanity prevailed on this.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: La Guardia Airport to Be Rebuilt by 2021, Cuomo and Biden Say on: July 27, 2015, 11:05:26 pm
Rebuilt?  Was it destroyed?
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Boy Scouts Lifts Ban on Gay Scout Leaders on: July 27, 2015, 09:35:30 pm
God, wonder if my church will still charter my troop. Hope so???

The policy the BSA adopted allows for religious groups chartering troops to consider whether the adult leadership meets their own religious standards. They pretty much had to if they were going to keep some of the troops sponsored by conservative churches.
Ok, my troops sponsored by my personal church the Catholic Church, so we will be safe now. Thank God.

The Catholic Church's Scouting Committee supports the policy that was adopted.   

This is very good news, though I wish it had not been made under the cloud of litigation.  Still I am hopeful that troops will be welcoming, as many are already in spite of the official policy.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gilmore to announce candidacy "later this week" on: July 27, 2015, 01:41:52 pm

Later this week, the folksy governor known in Virginia for slashing taxes (especially the hated car tax) and nationally for tackling terrorism will announce his candidacy, becoming the 17th Republican in a crowded field.

He believes the large field will help him. "This race is running differently than previous presidential races, that's one reason why I'm encouraged to get in. The difference is with many, many candidates in there, there is room to have your voice heard," he told the Washington Examiner.

what the ...lol
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support gay marriages? on: July 27, 2015, 11:58:11 am

you build your theology around me... I'm flattered.

seriously though Hagrid, it's sad to see you so having so much hate that hell is the one piece of religion you still want to hang onto.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you support gay marriages? on: July 26, 2015, 11:56:20 pm
I hope Hell exists.

Who are you hoping to hang out with?
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is there such a thing as "positive metal"? on: July 26, 2015, 11:23:37 pm
I'd guess this is a fairly common type of ion.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Huckabee: Obama Marching Israelis "To the Door of the Oven" on: July 26, 2015, 11:13:00 pm
A Democrat would be skewered for saying something like this. Remember how long the blue avatars here cried over "They'll put you back in chains!" ?


Yes, why is no one here criticizing Mike Huckabee for this statement?!
15  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Leip, one of your mods is encouraging people to kill themselves. on: July 25, 2015, 09:19:50 am
So you ban Adam first and ask questions later, but Joe... Joe is different. We just need to calm down and process all of this. Joe can wait. We need to have a proper discussion, after all!

Definitely sounds like the rules don't apply to you guys to me.

I have already explained this several times, dude.  Adam was banned as a restraint measure because, at that time, there was a massive, unexplained information leak that appeared to potentially be related to systematic account hacking (the password resets).  While we were untangling the information -- which I believe Adam was dishonest about, by the way -- we put in bans as stopgap measures.  You're asking us for a permanent decision on Joe, when I've made it clear that we're still processing urgent stuff.  That's why we haven't even finalized a decision on the bans yet...so your instant demand that we move on to a less-imminent concern is totally incoherent to anyone who thinks about it for more than fifteen seconds.

I'm a bit confused about what the banning of Adam was supposed to restrain him from doing.
16  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Are there any terms that when you read them you stop reading the article? on: July 24, 2015, 03:33:43 pm
I just came across a new one: "white fragility" 
17  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 23, 2015, 11:03:18 pm
"I do want to say also that I really think having a 'like' and 'dislike' button is a bad idea on a political forum and would lead to more of a school cafeteria-like atmosphere."

I totally agree with this. It is a way to attack posters personally really, and make them feel bad, and stifle debate.

One good thing about 'likes' is that could provide some positive feedback in what can be a negative place.  For example sometimes here a post people really don't like can get more responses than a map or something quality.   I don't really think the 'dislike' button stifles debate more than a lot of the responses we usually see here now, and it could cut down on people posting more explicit attacks or things like "Roll Eyes"   but at least the like button could be a good thing even if the dislike button is not there.
18  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 23, 2015, 07:24:37 pm
By which I don't mean trolling (which can be funny) but, to name one example, responding to a poll simply with "FF" and no extra detail.

I think a good way to solve this without a more harsh moderating approach would be changing the software to set a minimum number of characters (~5?) that a post can contain.


Fair point. The number wouldn't have to be exactly 5 (probably higher), but I'm not sure how else you would cut down on sh**tposts without being very subjective.
How about a minimum on how many words are in a post. 

How about every post has to contain at least four vowels and seven consonants. That would be fun.
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Estimate the racial makeup of your high school when you attended it on: July 23, 2015, 02:42:44 pm
1/12 black
1/12 hispanic white
10/12 whitey white
20  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 23, 2015, 02:34:47 pm
I'd like to see the "Alternative Elections" subboard of What-ifs merged with What-ifs itself

Please no. In fact, it might be a good idea to create an additional subboard for the timelines.

How about changing the Alternative Elections subboard to a timeline subboard?

I think it might make sense to have the main board be for asking and discussing hypothetical questions, and just have one child board for timelines.

yeah, makes sense.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich announces presidential candidacy on: July 23, 2015, 02:33:42 pm
Part of me thinks that Kasich/Rubio would be practically invincible, barring a black swan scandal.
that would be a relatively strong ticket at least, of the possible options.
22  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 23, 2015, 02:13:19 pm
I'd like to see the "Alternative Elections" subboard of What-ifs merged with What-ifs itself

Please no. In fact, it might be a good idea to create an additional subboard for the timelines.

How about changing the Alternative Elections subboard to a timeline subboard?
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: July 23, 2015, 02:10:30 pm
I call the internal medicine clinic at a hospital I go to for psych care because I need a primary care physician.
I say I have "point of service" coverage.  The person has never heard this term before.
They say before they can put me into the system (at the same hospital) they need to make sure they are part of the insurance network.  The fact that my insurance covers care in a different department at the same hospital is apparently not enough, and that I need to call my insurance to make sure.

I call my insurance, eventually navigate to an actual person. This person can't find the hospital in their list, and so asks for the number.  I give him the number I just called, he calls there, and then tells me the hospital said they accept the insurance.

lol wtf? 

thankfully the person I spoke to when I called the hospital back was reasonably competent and quickly found my info on the system.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: POST HERE IF YOU WANT TO BE CONSIDERED AS A MOD on: July 23, 2015, 11:41:41 am
i'd be happy to help out as well. i don't really have any specific qualifications that other people haven't listed (a long and active posting history, a non-american timezone, the ability to be impartial when necessary, ...) but i have no life and therefore plenty of time to devote to moderatorly duties.

of the previous applicants i think crabcake, türkisblau and cathcon are the best choices. preferably crabcake, as the mod team in its current state is significantly to the right of the forum as a whole

The current mod team is significantly more British than the forum as a whole also.

Afleitch and Peter (who is inactive)?

I sometimes forget Al is no longer a mod.   

anyway, point is that such quotas are irrelevant as long as there is no threat of bias in moderation.  And I don't see any threat against left-wing posters expressing their views more than against right-wing views; if anything it is the opposite. 

The mod team is generally conservative.

Ernest is a conservative leaning independent
Dallasfan is a conservative leaning independent
Andrew CT is a Republican
Torie is Republican
Badger is Republican (sort of)
MasterJedi is a Republican (but has gone)
Muon is an elected Republican

That leaves Mr Morden who’s a-political, Joe who’s a-political, Alcon who’s generally a-political as is The Mikado, Hashemite who’s more concerned about international politics, Gustaf who’s Swedish, Tender who’s Austrian, myself Scottish (and even I could be considered conservative), Beet who’s mute and Peter who’s English and gone.

Mr Moderate is probably the only one who argues from the Democratic position at the present time

lol, so Joe is not a Democrat but AndrewCT is a Republican?  anyway, why are you randomly limiting this to US politics?   The relevant question is how moderators treat posters according to the ideologies of those posters.  Left-wing posts are treated more harshly than right-wing posts by no moderator (not even Ernest I don't think) while compare the numerous posts on here calling for death to capitalists that no one has any interest to infract, to your wars against CCSF or jmfsct.  Longtime right-wingers on this site are on average slightly better at tolerating the presence of views that they strongly disagree with; given that we are a minority here, we have to be.
25  Questions and Answers / The Atlas / Re: Atlas Forum Feedback on: July 22, 2015, 11:52:50 pm
Thanks for doing this Dave.

"Moderation interaction is too confrontational"  - yes, this is a big issue. obviously not all moderators, but just a few being like this can make it an unpleasant place.

"Moderation stifles debate with censorship" - yes, treating things as "trolling" etc for having viewpoints that are considered extreme, always very inconsistently.   

On the other hand, the one area where I do think maybe there is too much inappropriate is in the area of the personal attack.  I enjoy attempts to spar in debate with wit and sarcasm, and I wouldn't want to take that away, but the culture has drifted in the way of celebrating the insult to the detriment of actual discussion.   It's very easy to go too far in moderating against this to totally sterilize discussion, which I absolutely do not want to see, but I think at least the moderators should lead by example.  And if they can't, those moderators should go.   The retiring of the "Deluge of Absurdity" and the  "Sulfur" and "Irony" mines would be a good step too.  And threads that on the Atlas sub-board that say "ban so and so" need to be deleted on sight; allowing the impression that if enough people sign a petition an unpopular poster will be banned does not inspire confidence in the forum's moderation.
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