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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Name one bad thing about Hillary Clinton. on: February 02, 2016, 05:13:49 pm
I can name many, but I'm just going to go with her corruption/ties to Wall Street.

What corruption?

Anyone?

Flippantly mishandling classified emails and then lying about it and blaming the Republicans for "selective leaking".  Carly Fiorina is right, she is more qualified for the Big House than the White House.  Still, though, she would be a far better president than the horrible socialist.  The last thing this country needs is socialism.

Mishandling emails (allegedly) isn't "corrupt", Bushie.

It sounds corrupt to me.

Considering Pedro Tevez and Ashfat Bridal sounded totally legitimate to you, perhaps you're not the best judge.

2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Moderator Job Approval Ratings: Jan 2016 on: January 31, 2016, 04:02:04 pm
Hmm... Ernest, Torie and Tender all among the worst ratings; under 50% approval?  How very shocking.  Or not, if any of you had spent any time in the Mod Cave to witness the first two's insufferable lawyering.  And Tender's trolling just seems to be getting worse (see above).

If you were still a Mod, what do you guess your approval rating might be?

Low enough that my voluntary resignation would still make sense, I'm sure.  I have the self-awareness to know when it was time to step down, because the community no longer had confidence in my authority, you see.  Just like, what, 57% of voters in this poll seem to think about you?

Oh, one other thing. Can you remind me that last time you said something positive about another poster? Just curious.

On some other, better fora, there is a mechanism by which you can effectively say something positive about somebody by simply clicking 'like' on one of their posts.  I use it frequently.  It's much easier than typing "nice guy FF" all the time or whatever it is you're suggesting I do.

nice guy FF

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Your favorite NFL team on: January 31, 2016, 03:52:38 pm
13 Time World Champions

This!

I just started watching a few years ago but I've really gotten into it, and my dad started liking the Packers around '93 when Favre had started playing, so I figured I'd root for them. And then I started watching shows about the Lombardi Packers and what not and figured I made the right decision.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Libertarians who do you support for President? on: January 30, 2016, 08:21:23 pm
Johnson

5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 29, 2016, 02:06:32 am
TIME - Areus sets a tempo
November 13th, 1989

Senate finds consensus on RTNA

Several weeks ago the Senate rejected President Ho'kee's brain-child: the Return to Normalcy Act. The ambitious proposal called for rapid withdrawal from all of Western Europe and the Eastern Hemisphere, while cutting defense spending across the board and reallocating some dollars toward a missile defense program that would guard against nuclear warheads.

President Ho'kee seemed undaunted by this defeat. He reshuffled his deck and hedged his bets, sending Senator Thad O'Connor to offer a more amicable deal to the Senate chamber. While still ambitious, the revamped proposal offered some capitulation to hardline conservatives: it postponed the final troop withdrawal from Europe to 1997, re-structured the Panama Canal deal, and was packaged with tax cuts to boot. Such concessions were enough to secure passage of the Return to Normalcy Act.

The President finds his stride

Whether he was overwhelmed with his success or simply out of his depth upon assuming the office, President Ho'kee seemed to lose his stride after swearing in. Other than a handful of executive orders, the President did little with the bully pulpit that comes in hand with the Presidency, and seldom spoke to the media or advocated for legislation. In response, his approval ratings were in decline as congressional Democrats sought to define him as a do-nothing President.

That began to change when President Areus helped craft the Return to Normalcy Act. While the Senate rejected the initial proposal, he quickly worked on a re-draft and the Senate passed the new version by a comfortable margin. President Ho'kee seems to have a renewed sense of vigor, and vowing that "more reform packages are inbound, and my desk is the final destination."

The public reacted well to Areus' initiative. Polls show that a majority agree with the spirit of the Return to Normalcy Act, with 54% of people in approval. Additionally, his presidential approval ratings saw a 10% increase after a middling result a month ago. Perhaps the President should take this as encouragement to continue with this rhythm.

Democratic Party in Shambles

Nine years and two terms can make a difference. The presidential and congressional elections of 1980 were a Democratic rally, as Senator Scoop Jackson won forty states and his Democratic Party achieved a supermajority in the Senate, setting up a narrative of generational Democratic dominance similar to that of the 1930's and 1940's.

Some would argue that Scoop's victory had been even more impressive than Roosevelt's: Scoop had managed to sweep The South (and by extension a small majority of southern whites) despite carrying the fresh legacy of the Civil Rights Act. Scoop Jackson also clobbered Republicans in rural parts of the Midwest in both of his election attempts.

All of that was cast to the wayside in the midterm election of 1986 and last year's presidential election. In just four years, the Democratic Party was on the bad end of a reversal of fortune, and the Republican Party now controls both the legislative and executive branch. President Lloyd Bentsen cobbled 172 electoral votes, after being projected to only accrue 75 in one October poll.

President Ho'kee took a lethargic approach towards the office for the first few months, but his latest bill is a major legislative accomplishment that could be a nightmare for liberal Democrats and those of the Jackson wing to discuss. Much like Scoop Jackson's alliance of traditional Democrats, minorities, and the Religious Right, Areus Ho'kee's coalition could prove to be a confounding mismatch for the Democratic Party.

While still early, we conducted some polling with prospective Democratic nominees.

How they match up:

Mondale: Walter Mondale was the Vice Presidential nominee on a ticket with Jimmy Carter that may have made the future better for the Democratic Party. While young in age, he was an understudy of Hubert Humphrey and other Minnesota Democrats of a previous era, and has strong support amongst traditional Democrats. When polled amongst a generic third party WMP nominee, he wins several Southern states with a plurality, and makes the Midwest competitive. Walter Mondale has no known scandals and would make for a serviceable nominee against President Ho'kee.

Brown: Jerry Brown is exactly the sort of liberal hero that the new Democratic base was clamoring for in the Sixties and Seventies. That being said, the same sort of modern left sentiment has been coopted by the Maverick Republicans to an extent, and alienated by the influx of Democrats during the Jackson Administration. Even when polled with a generic WMP nominee, Brown gets swept nationwide, in part due to his whimsical personality and unpopular record as Governor of California.

Wyde: The fiery Senator from Mississippi has established a reputation for being the leading voice of Democratic opposition to just about any Republican proposal. Patton Wyde spoke out against the Tax Reform Act of 1986, the Return to Normalcy Act, and (others) Patton Wyde presents a unique threat to Areus Ho'kee in that he could capitalize on past WMP voters. The downside toward a prospective Wyde nomination is that he sheds more liberal Democratic voters, but those might come back into the fold by November.

Moynihan: This former Senator may create the biggest mismatch for the incumbent President. Daniel Moynihan established a voting record tilted towards more traditional Democratic interests when bills such as the Tax Reform Act of 1986 came up. However, Moynihan has several fraternizations with the Right, most of which serve to his advantage. While he voted against the Wyde amendment, he favors extensive restrictions on abortion. He's a fastidious Cold Warrior, and has even penned articles for National Review. Furthermore, polls have him leading in the Midwest, which may be President Ho'kee's electoral underbelly.

Presidential Approval Ratings
November 10th, 1989


HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCHUPS

November 10th, 1989

Key:

Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Ho'kee vs Mondale

299 - 117 - 122

Ho'kee vs Brown vs WMP

342 - 18 - 178

Ho'kee vs Moynihan

236 - 212 - 90

Ho'kee vs Wyde

275 - 211 - 52
6  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NFC, AFC Championship games on: January 19, 2016, 08:18:34 pm
Ugh, my worst fear is a Patriots-Panthers Super Bowl. Would probably spend those hours doing something non-football related.

Blocking you.

A Cowboys fan talking trash after how this season went...



We've got to do something to cope with the stillborn season that was the 2015 Dallas Cowboys.  Tongue

Romo needs to get himself out of Dallas. Tongue
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: NFC, AFC Championship games on: January 19, 2016, 03:03:37 pm
Ugh, my worst fear is a Patriots-Panthers Super Bowl. Would probably spend those hours doing something non-football related.

Blocking you.

A Cowboys fan talking trash after how this season went...

8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Quick question. on: January 18, 2016, 12:09:56 pm
As I said via PM, this is the proper board for that, assuming no illegal/NSFW content.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 08, 2016, 12:48:38 am
Repetition: 1989

Despite Thad's best efforts, the Return to Normalcy Act had been defeated in the Senate. Areus Ho'kee had cast the aforementioned bill to insiders as a shot in the arm for his administration's agenda. He spent months working with policy advisers on this legislation, but never reached out towards congressional leaders. Areus had expected that a slim majority would be enough to intimidate Congress, but he was wrong, and Thad O'Connor fought a losing battle. Areus Ho'kee was undaunted by this defeat, and after months of retooling, sent the sophomore Senator out to advocate for a new bill.

Thad O'Connor chose an opportune time to walk down the Senate aisles to propose this bill: it was only two weeks before Thanksgiving Day, and each Congressman had shown up in anticipation of next week's holiday. Thad shuffled his papers on the podium, before asking the Senate President: "Mr. President, may I have five minutes of your time?" asked Thad.

The designated President was Senator Hamilton Fish. "The Senator is granted five minutes of the body's time," said Senator Fish. "Thank you, Mr. President. Several weeks ago, this body discussed a game-changing proposal for this country's foreign policy: the idea that we ought to reconsider our role in the world, and relinquish some of our usurped responsibilities. As evinced by the roll call from last time, this proposal met a narrow failure.

I supported the last proposal with full gusto, but understand why it was met with defeat in the Senate. That being said, this bill would leave us with a more subdued withdrawal from Europe: some American boots will be on European soil until 1997. If both the Soviet Union upholds itself and Europe is incapable of mustering a military in that duration of time, then the continent is already lost.

One thing for fiscal conservatives to consider in this bill is the dividends: we would be withdrawing our military bases from over a third of the world. This proposal includes minor tax cuts in anticipation of the dividend from withdrawal.  If we were to pass this bill, we could reduce taxes on the biggest entrepreneurs in this country and also reduce our budget deficit, by not financing the military defenses of European countries and vicariously subsidizing their social programs.

This bill is also more proactive with regard to the transfer of the Panama Canal. The old deal negotiated by President Bentsen has us retaining control until the fall of the Soviet Union, and then simply giving it to Panama. This new proposal outlines a long-term payment plan where the Panamanian government reimburses us for the value of the Canal. To those of you concerned about the security implications, we would still be responsible for security of the Canal.

I would ask this body to take a step back and reconsider the past forty years of American foreign policy before casting a vote on this bill. We have seen the outcome of foolhardy attempts to micromanage other nations, whether it be Cuba, Vietnam, or Iran. Even going as far back as the Korean War, we've not had an excursion where we've sent in manpower and been better off for doing so.

If adopted, this legislation would be a change of pace. We could direct our resources toward shooting atomic weapons out of the sky instead of having to prepare for fallout. We could lower taxes and spend less money on defense instead of having to fortify western Europe. Furthermore, we could turn our relationship with Panama from one of slave and master to one of a mutually beneficial partnership. The Soviets have looked toward South America as fertile ground, and improving our image in that continent would do well to neutralize that initiative."

Thad concluded his speech and yielded the floor to the Senate President. As if on cue, a ruddy-faced Patton Wyde rushed to the opposing podium to issue a polemic against Thad's proposal. "I ask for five minutes to rebuke these claims," said Senator Wyde. "The Gentleman from Mississippi is recognized," said Hamilton Fish in acquiescence. "Thank you. I'd thought that the Senate had thoroughly discussed this proposal last time and why it'd be such a catastrophe, but  I guess once isn't enough.

Last time, the Senator from Maine had outlined an impractical vision for our foreign policy: simply stick our head in the sand, put more sand bags around our neck, and hope that it holds up. The last time the Senator fielded this bill, the proposal was simple: surrender. This time, he's set a more interesting gambit: wait a decade to surrender. President Ho'kee has been revered for his legislative trickery, and I have to say he's outdone himself here," said Patton Wyde with a sardonic grin.

"Taking that into account, I still don't agree with this legislation. This bill expedites the surrender of the Panama Canal! The deal that President Bentsen hammered out was bad enough; this bill is further capitulation to the government of Panama! The United States constructed the Panama Canal at a time when it was considered impossible, and has been responsible for its security for decades. The Panama Canal is an important location, and this bill would simply surrender that at a time when we're reeling from defeat in Iran.

I don't understand the rest of the Senator's appeal. He tells us that we can become more safe by investing in a fanciful notion of shooting missiles in space and gain an advantage against the Soviets by withdrawing from places. He tells us we can use that money to cut taxes even though we've had a budget deficit and have had to gut Social Security a few years ago.," concluded Wyde.

Thad O'Connor seemed irked at his colleague's rebuttal, and spared nothing in his response. "Given the constituency that you represent and how it has voted in past presidential elections, it's unsurprising to me that you are too dense to understand the nuance behind proposals such as improving missile defense and staggered withdrawals from Europe. Perhaps you are the best delegate of such people?

It's true that the Panama Canal is an important location, but when you consider how rich our country is, there is no reason why we ought to be dependent on revenue from it. I will concede that there is the principle of the fact that 'we built it!' however, our meddling in that part of the hemisphere has caused great instability. As much as some members of this chamber bemoan Communism, the reality is that our intervention in South America has led to Communist governments.

As for the rest of Senator Wyde's objections, I've addressed them before and don't have an interest in doing so again," said Thad.
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: January 06, 2016, 08:16:42 pm
Dallasfan65
Deregistered



There's no one here to take you off the voter rolls, so what's the point?

I was unaware of the current state of affairs.

Seriously, though?

11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What's your excuse for not being in a relationship? on: January 06, 2016, 07:12:42 pm
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: January 06, 2016, 07:02:00 pm
Dallasfan65
Deregistered

13  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Tom Brady on: January 06, 2016, 06:36:22 pm
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: December 2015 At-large Senate Election on: December 11, 2015, 06:13:14 pm
Maxwell
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Northeast Voting Booth: December 2015 Election on: December 11, 2015, 06:12:21 pm
[1] Write-in: Legalize polygamy
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Sports thread on: December 09, 2015, 03:58:32 pm
Packers.
17  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should emoji be banned? on: November 27, 2015, 08:50:19 pm




18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of Bacon King as Justice (Debating) on: November 07, 2015, 11:26:15 am
What a truly ignominious spectacle this has been!

The Senate has seen fit to prevent one of the most qualified legal minds in the history of Atlasia from taking a seat on the Supreme Court at a time of record inactivity and inability to fill government positions.  Now, the President has stated that he is in no hurry to fill this seat, and so the Senate, by its actions here today, has neutered the highest court in the land and destroyed the career of one of our most respected statesmen. 

I haven't been paying too much attention but it seems like Atlasia is just three people talking to each other these days. At least BK won't have to waste his time with this game
19  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 2nd General Election of South America on: November 06, 2015, 09:46:43 pm
Social Liberals
20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of Bacon King as Justice (Debating) on: November 06, 2015, 04:19:47 pm
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 02, 2015, 02:07:45 am
Conference: 1988

Two days after the defeat of the Return to Normalcy Act, Thad O'Connor was invited to the White House for a meeting with the President. Thad approached the White House gates, only to encounter the Secret Service. "Who are you?" asked two burly agents. "I'm Thad O'Connor, the Senator from Maine." said Thad. "You don't look like a congressman," said one agent. After several moments of looking over Thad's license, as well as correspondence with White House security, Thad was granted entrance to the White House.

Thad was quickly guided down a corridor and into the first room on his left. He bade little attention towards his surroundings, more captivated by the surreal experience of being in the White House. Suddenly, he was in the same room as Areus Ho'kee, Lawrence Coventry, and Ericson Snell. "Welcome Thad! Please sit down," greeted Areus Ho'kee, before pouring him a glass of wine. "I wanted to confer with my inner circle on how we've been doing so far, and what our next plan of action ought to be," said Ho'kee.

"Well, as you know, your Return to Normalcy Act narrowly failed in Congress. You haven't pushed much of an agenda so far, so you're going to have to salvage this legislation somehow," said Snell. "Of course. I had the terms of the Return to Normalcy Act written to the furthest extent of plausibility possible, and I'm not entirely sure that I would've signed the original text into law," said Ho'kee.

"Are you kidding me? What's the point of grinding it out over this legislation?" asked Snell. "Consider the Cold War mentality of the Republican Party and the Jacksonian Democrats. This was less about passing a bill and more about drawing distinctions and moving goalposts necessary to pass a future legislative item," said Ho'kee. "So, you proposed a bill without actual intentions of it passing, but just to run down the calendar and change the narrative?

When I supported you for President and yielded my Speaker position, you promised that there would be fiscal conservatism and debt awareness. Now, however, you've spent most of the Presidency in leisure, and the only proposal you've advocated for was to withdraw the United States from the rest of the World; without any hopes that it would even pass," said Ericson Snell.

Areus Ho'kee pinched his chin. "What was one of our key avenues toward reducing America's financial commitment, Eric? Reducing our spending on overseas bases. The reality is the Return to Normalcy Act has much more to do with missiles than it does soldiers, and that pruning our overseas presence would only be a boon toward our nation's finances. The Return to Normalcy Act is fiscal conservatism, because it relieves pressure on the United States to be in other countries.

"Fair enough. But even if we can get this plan to pass, what would be next on the agenda? Passing one bill in four years isn't much of an accomplishment," said Snell. "There are some obvious things, like immigration and tax reform. I'd like to tackle things like Social Security, urban renewal, and the highway, but that may be more side-bar stuff. I think that the biggest blow to the jaw of the Democratic Party would be healthcare reform, and if we could find a way to work that issue then we could rob them of a campaign issue," said Ho'kee.

"How do you plan on doing that?" asked Snell with a degree of cynicism. "I'm not 100% sure yet," said Ho'kee.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 02, 2015, 02:06:49 am
TIME - NORMALCY DENIED
October 17th, 1989

Areus' initiative stalls
The election of 1988 was a political snake pit: an unpopular incumbent Democratic President faced a crowded Republican field. After a divisive primary campaign, Speaker Areus Ho'kee clinched the Republican nomination, only to have to contend with an additional right-wing splinter party in the form of the Working Man's Party. Areus Ho'kee remained undaunted, and promised to revitalize America's economy and normalize our foreign relations, if elected President.

Since his victory and inauguration, President Ho'kee had been surprisingly inconspicuous and had developed a languor aura. Republicans had control of the White House and both chambers of Congress for the first time in many voters' lifetimes, yet he was inert when it came to pushing an agenda. Some Democrats may have been licking their chops, thinking that Ho'kee was more interested with the idea of being President than actually being President.

However, that changed when Ho'kee fielded his proposal for a change in the United States' foreign policy. Senator Thad O'Connor, a close ally of President Ho'kee, submitted a bill on behalf of the administration arguing for gradual withdrawal from Europe. President Ho'kee, not wanting to be seen as a summer soldier, personally took to the field in Los Angeles and advocated for this proposal. It was the most proactive performance he had put on as President.

Despite this gritty advocacy, the Return to Normalcy Act narrowly failed in the Republican-controlled Congress. President Areus Ho'kee seemed undaunted, merely saying, "We'll move the goalposts if we have to. My biggest priority is maintaining stability in Europe; if waiting an extra five years to withdraw from that continent is necessary, then so be it."


Aye: Jefferson Dent (R-AL), Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Pete McCloskey (R-CA), Ed Zschau (R-CA), Gary Hart (D-CO), Lowell Weicker (R-CT), Christopher Shays (R-CT), Joe Biden (D-DE),  Spark Matsunaga (D-HI), Orval Smylie (R-ID), Frederic Reid (R-IA), Jim Leach (R-IA), Thad O'Connor (R-ME), Ralph Stevenson (R-ME), Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Bill Weld (R-MA), Mic Ceriel (R-MI), William Milliken (R-MI), Scott Westman (D-MT), Helen Brisco (R-MT), Chic Hect (R-NV), Malcolm McLane (R-NH), Maurice Murphy (R-NH), Thomas Kean (R-NJ), Millicent Fenwick (R-NJ),  David F. Cargo (R-NM), Hamilton Fish (R-NY), Al Green (R-NY), Mark Andrews (R-ND), Warren Ford (R-ND), Victor Atiyeh (R-OR), Mark Hatfield (R-OR), John Chafee (R-RI), George McGovern (D-SD), James Garner (R-TX), Lawrence Coventry (R-VT), Margaret Garland (R-VT), Marshall Coleman (R-VA), Santiago St. Avila (R-WA), Jasper Morrill (R-WA), Steve Gunderson (R-WI), Herb Kohl (R-WI), Alan Simpson (R-WY), Malcolm Wallop (R-WI) (45)

Nay: Ted Stevens (R-AK), Clark Gruening (D-AK), Howell Heflin (D-AL), Bob Stump (D-AZ), Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Bill Armstrong (R-CO), Lawton Chiles (D-FL), Richard McPherson (D-FL), Sam Nunn (D-GA), John D. Russell (D-GA), George Hansen (WMP-ID), Alex Seith (D-IL), Jim Edgar (R-IL), Floyd Fithian (D-IN), Bob Dole (R-KS), Joan Finney (D-KS), Walter Huddleston (D-KY), Wendell Ford (D-KY), Mike Foster (D-LA), Clarence Long (D-MD), David Durenburger (D-MN), Gillespie Montgomery (D-MS), Patton Wyde (D-MS), Thomas Eagleton (D-MO), John Danforth (R-MO), James Exon (D-NE), Paul Laxalt (WMP-NV), Bruce King (D-NM), Robert Morgan (D-NC), John Ingram (D-NC), James Traficant (D-OH), David Boren (D-OK), Wes Watkins (D-OK), John Heinz (R-PA), John Murtha (D-PA), Strom Thurmond (R-SC), Ernest Hollings (D-SC), Larry Pressler (R-SD), Marilyn Lloyd (D-TN), Jim Sasser (D-TN), Bill Archer (WMP-TX), Jake Garn (R-UT), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Andrew Miller (D-VA), Jennings Randolph (D-WV), Robert Byrd (D-WV) (46)

Abstain: David Pryor (D-AR), William Roth (R-DE), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Richard Lugar (R-IN), Bennett Johnston Jr. (D-LA), Walter Mondale (D-MN), Charles Thone (R-NE), John Glenn (D-OH), Claiborne Pell (D-RI), (9)
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale for NE Senator - Thank You! on: October 31, 2015, 08:42:17 pm


Wow, so much energy! Congratulations!
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: October 27, 2015, 07:41:16 am
How about you don't be a finksing narc and you go off to your Zumba class and listen to Jimmy Buffet or something, mom.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 General Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: October 23, 2015, 11:25:29 pm
President:

[1] SWE/Dallasfan

Senator:

[1] Oakvale
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