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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 30, 2015, 07:21:32 pm
I had a double cheeseburger with about 7 or 8 French Fries.  Not the healthiest especially considering the burger was very greasy and very sloppy, but it tasted good.

Are you even pretending to think about trying to consider eating healthy any more?

Three hund-o has got to be around the corner.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The History of the American Independent Party on: January 27, 2015, 07:18:13 pm
Great stuff, although I was hoping we'd see the harrowing adventures of Gordon Daniel (R-IA) or something. Tongue

How did Wallace get elected?
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Return of the Kennedys: Rise of the Castros on: January 25, 2015, 03:41:17 pm
It is going to be a very very long time befoire the Dems win anything ever again in MO. Also there is no such thing as a "wave" when a party is going for it third straight Presidential victory. See 1988.

If you want to have a debate about terminology (e.g. "wave") then that is acceptable. However, timelines are a work of fiction and going off-topic/debating is trolling. I've scrubbed the offending posts in question.
4  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What Family Guy character is the preceding poster most like? on: January 24, 2015, 10:50:14 pm
Craig Tucker
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The History of the American Independent Party on: January 24, 2015, 10:35:23 pm
6  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Americans Only: Who sould you vote for 2015 on: January 23, 2015, 06:56:52 pm
Lib Dems
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 23, 2015, 01:19:01 am
TIME - Bentsen Falls Short!
June 5th, 1988

Bentsen fails to get a majority

With the final primary being a narrow defeat in the Indiana Primary, President Bentsen officially failed to obtain a majority of delegates in the Democratic Primary. Although he won most state contests, many of those victories were with less than a majority. Due to the Democratic National Committee's rules on delegate allocation, this has lead to his two opponents pinpricking him in many contests, depriving him of the delegates necessary to win the nomination outright. While he is clearly favored by the Democratic establishment and a plurality of the party, attempting to corral the support of either of his primary opponents would be a delicate affair.

The most intuitive approach would be reaching a deal with Jerry Brown. The hawkishness of Jackson's presidency and the triangulation of President Bentsen have both done a lot to alienate core Democratic voters, and throwing a bone to Jerry Brown would be a good way of both securing the nomination and consolidating the Democratic base for the general election. However, that may require repudiating several pieces of legislation that he had signed, or even altering his foreign policy - both are decisions which would be an albatross in the general election.

On the other hand, President Bentsen could turn toward Patton Wyde. While Wyde accrued less delegates than Bentsen, and has a more regional appeal, he has a more fiery personality and would be a useful ally to help secure the South for Bentsen. In addition, he was a staunch ally of President Jackson, and it could prove useful to mend relations with him in the Senate. However, in contrast to Jerry Brown, gaining the support of Patton Wyde might mean reneging on the tariff lift, or doubling down on the War in Iran, both of which would leave Bentsen wounded in a general election, perhaps ceding even more ground to Ho'kee.

There is also the route of ignoring both camps. Although not having a majority of pledged delegates, the Democratic National Convention also has hundreds of "superdelegates" in attendance. Mostly party brass, this is an elite group of unpledged delegates who favor the establishment almost by default. President Bentsen could conceivably attain enough of these superdelegates to get a technical majority and clinch the nomination without exchanging any political favors. However, the optics of such a move could potentially alienate half of his party and leave him on poor-footing for a general election. Two rocks and a hard place for President Bentsen, it seems.

Gene is in!

Regardless of what decision President Bentsen comes to, if any, there is one man willing to offer an alternative to the Left in this country: former Senator Eugene McCarthy. Perhaps most famous for his effort to upend Lyndon Johnson in 1968, Eugene McCarthy announced that he would be seeking the Presidency for a third time - on various ballot lines. Citing frustration with the Democratic process, Eugene McCarthy announced to reporters that he would be running for Presidency "outside of the system."

The last time Eugene McCarthy ran for President was in the hotly contested 1976 Presidential election, where some suspect that his marginal performance may have siphoned off enough votes for Ford to win a plurality in several states; Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, and with those, the election. Consistent with his last foray, McCarthy is likely to be running a shoe-string operation, running under the banner of various state parties. This time, he has opted to select the aging psychologist B.F. Skinner as his vice-presidential nominee. While it is unlikely that McCarthy would perform any better than he did in his last attempt, the level of discontent within the Democratic Party could enable McCarthy to be a potential spoiler in what is already shaping up to be a difficult election for Bentsen.

Working Man's Party is anyone's guess

Davis Griffin, former chairman of the Republican Party, formed the Working Man's Party in 1985 in response to a perception of the GOP having gone too far to the left. This movement started with a bang - merely a year later it would elect its own Senator, and several members to the House of Representatives. However, the true threat of the WMP was its potential to spoil races for Republicans, which can do just as much to affect the national dialogue as electing its own members. Republicans fell short of a Senate majority in 1986 due to the WMP, and had to broker a deal with two Democratic Senators (Westman and McGovern) to do so.

Since then, the Working Man's Party has reached a slump. Despite their initial breakout, there were only two men who attempted to seek the party's nomination in earnest: David Duke of Louisiana, and Eldridge Cleaver of California. Neither of these men have been elected to significant office before. There are some who would argue that the Working Man's Party would be better suited to run a place-holder for President, and instead focusing on winning (or merely affecting) pivotal races. However, with these two men, the risk of them becoming well-known by the electorate may actually be a liability.

Eldridge Cleaver, black activist and contender for the WMP nomination, has a checkered past. Unbeknownst to most of the American public, Cleaver had been involved in the founding of the Black Panther Party, whose interests might not be considered to be shared with the Working Man's Party. Cleaver also has an eccentric past, having once followed Islam, and travelling numerous countries to avoid extradition. To make matters worse, Cleaver also has arrests and criminal convictions to his name, although it is dubious as to whether or not that would make him ineligible for the Presidency.

By contrast, there is David Duke. David Duke has the distinction of serving as a State Representative in Louisiana, which obstensibly would make him a safer bet than Eldridge Cleaver. However, upon further scrutiny, reporters found that David Duke had been involved in founding a local chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Louisiana. David Duke has since tried to divorce himself from his past affiliation with that group. However, if he were the nominee of the Working Man's Party, his past associations with the KKK could help Ho'kee and/or Bentsen pigeonhole the WMP as a far-right racist group.

Perhaps the best hope for the Working Man's Party is Senator Paul Laxalt, entering the WMP selection process halfway through the conventional season. Laxalt brings much to the table as a standard-bearer for Movement Conservatism, and as a presidential contender in 1984. While Laxalt initially opted to remain loyal to the Republican Party, Bill Armstrong's dwindling chances at the presidential nomination led Laxalt to take matters into his own hands. Laxalt has great name recognition and a relatively clean resume, in contrast to his opponents for the nomination, which is a godsend for Davis Griffin.

The only impediment for Senator Laxalt is his late entry into the process. In many states, the Working Man's Party delegate-selection process has been lumped in with the Republican and Democratic primaries, and the front-loaded calendar means that many of the contests were already decided before his entry. In addition, due to varying filing deadlines, Laxalt may find himself ineligible for contests after his entry. That being said, several state affiliates have opted to hold "state conventions" for delegate selection, many of which occur after the primaries. Without the filing requirements, Laxalt may walk to victory in states that require little-to-no campaigning.

For a party that purports to share the interests of the working man, the WMP has been cloak-and-dagger about its nomination process. The WMP has declined to release its convention rules to the public, and has done its best to restrict journalist access to their convention in Dallas, Texas. Taking all of that into account, there is the possibility that the Working Man's Party not abide by its own rules in order to secure the nomination of Paul Laxalt.

Working Man's Party's Primaries


June 2nd, 1988


Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Ho'kee vs Bentsen

361 - 145 - 32
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of jmfcst's sock accounts on: January 21, 2015, 12:49:09 am
Dull, just like his original incarnation.
9  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 21, 2015, 12:40:10 am
Let's not forget that this recent lay off was not my fault.  I would happily still be there if the job had been able to continue.  I did absolutely nothing wrong at that job to cause the job to go away.  I rarely ever missed except for a couple of days.  This job is going to really boost my resume because of the name of the company.  Plus, it gave me 3 months invaluable experience.  I now have 5 months experience in CAD which is better than being fresh out-of-the-box.

This work contract is going very well and things are looking pretty decently for it to be extended.  My boss so far is pleased with my work, and things are pointing in that direction.  There are no guarantees, of course, but things are looking as if I may be employed well into the Spring, maybe even Summer.
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Super Bowl XLIX Predictions on: January 19, 2015, 03:23:07 pm

I'll go with the Patriots since they have a better track record at the SuperBowl, and the Patriots QB is a lot cuter. Tongue

You are aware he has a slight bit of a beard, no?

"Russell Wilson is.. Undecided"
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 16, 2015, 10:47:19 pm

President Bentsen became President on May 18th, 1986 in accordance with the Twenty Fifth Amendment, joining an exclusive club of Presidents who had attained the office without standing for election. Nobody could have expected, however, that he would receive an unprecedented level of opposition for renomination, the likes of which makes Gerald Ford's primary campaign in 1976 look like a cakewalk. A series of inevitable setbacks, coupled with his own political missteps, made Lloyd Bentsen's road to the Democratic nomination the most difficult for a sitting President in American history.

Although he received a strong "sympathy bump" upon assuming office, the reality is that Bentsen was beset with a difficult set of circumstances upon assuming office: an increasingly unpopular war, a high unemployment rate, and an untenable budgetary situation. In addition, the political circumstances of the year had meant that the Democratic majority of Congress was living on borrowed time, forcing Bentsen to work with the Republicans. On the budgetary front, this led to a compromise of increased payroll taxes on the middle class, coupled with means-testing and reductions in the top-marginal tax rate. Although these reforms only affected a small amount of people, the political implications were much larger, and the Tax Reform Act of 1987 was used as a political cudgel by Bentsen's adversaries.

Despite being a seasoned political veteran between his years in Congress and as Vice President, he made some political errors. Perhaps the most damaging was his executive order that lifted existing tariffs on Japanese manufacturing: insiders claim that this was to increase the amount of Japanese cars on the market to ameliorate high gas prices, while also incentivizing American automobile manufacturers to increase the fuel economies of their cars. Paradoxically, Bentsen spearheaded an initiative to expand offshore drilling in the United States, thus undercutting his narrative in regards to fuel prices and alienating the environmentalist wing of his party.

President Bentsen's first serious challenger was Jerry Brown, former Governor of California. Brown was a committed liberal on many issues, and the crux of his campaign was opposition to the Administration's aggressive foreign policy. In addition, Brown would levy a charge on the prior and current administrations' overall conservative streak, the need for campaign finance reform, and a lack of environmental oversight. Brown had been averse to budget-deficits while Governor of California, but did not make the looming federal budget a significant issue during the course of his campaign.

Suprisingly, Bentsen would be challenged from the conservative wing of the Democratic Party, manifesting itself in the form of Senator Patton Wyde. Patton Wyde had been a loyal ally for President Jackson during his Presidency, but Bentsen's subsequent moderation on several issues had alienated Wyde. Uncharacteristically for a southern Democrat, Wyde struck out at Bentsen on the issues of labor and free trade, accusing him of "selling America out to the Japanese." An integral part of the Wyde campaign was catering toward the remaining supporters of the War in Iran, which were still a sizeable part of the electorate.

Despite having challengers on both flanks, President Bentsen still held on to a comfortable lead, and was lackadaisical in response to his main challengers. Bentsen scraped by with plurality victories in Iowa and New Hampshire, which was unprecedented for a sitting President since the implementation of the primary system, and lost the Kansas Democratic Caucus in an upset. Things would improve for Bentsen, as he beat Patton Wyde in the hotly contested Tennessee primary, before going on to run the table in Super Tuesday and winning every single contest except New Jersey, Hawaii, and Brown's own California.

Bentsen's momentum would be blunted by the release of reports from an ethics probe that had been investigating campaign finance reports from Scoop Jackson's reelection bid, of which Bentsen was a part of. While not complete, the report had uncovered millions of dollars of donations from various defense contractors to Jackson's campaign, many of which had been given contracts in his Fortify America Act and for armaments in the War in Iran. Bentsen would go on to lose the Michigan and Vermont primaries days after the news broke, but stopped the freefall by narrowly beating Brown in the hotly contested New York primary.

However, any attempt at damage control would be undone by events out of Bentsen's control. Days after his victory in New York, blood would spill in the streets of Detroit. A regional movement of auto-workers striking outside of plants had been burgeoning for some time, originally citing lay-offs, cuts in wages, and an overall decline of the industry. However, over time a political bent had been incorporated, in which many strikers cited Bentsen's executive order lifting tariffs on Japanese imports and an increase in payroll taxes. When replacements were attempting to cross the pickett lines at one Detroit plant, violence broke out between the strikers and some of the scabs, leading the Michigan State Guard to fire shots and attempt to break up the dispute. In the ensuing melee, over a dozen workers would be killed, with several more wounded.

Seen as the catalyst of this by many in the Democratic Party, President Bentsen's numbers would go into a freefall, and he posted up losses in Georgia, Ohio, Louisiana, Delaware, and Indiana, while also underperforming in states that he expected to win handily, thus reducing his delegate total. While Bentsen remained the overall favorite in national Democratic Primary polls, his level of support was underwhelming for a sitting President. Due to the Democratic Party's rules on delegate allocation, Bentsen narrowly fell short of the majority needed on the first ballot, making the Democratic National Convention a potential snakepit.

12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: January 16, 2015, 10:46:03 pm

The 1984 Republican nomination was not very sought after, given Jackson's blowout win in 1980 and incumbency had made him a prohibitive favorite for the general election. Thus Mark Hatfield was able to capture it, despite being an outsider with regards to the Republican mainstream and being underfunded. However, with President Bentsen's popularity slipping, the 1988 Republican Primaries would have a considerably higher participation rate.

The initial favorite was none other than Representative Gingrich of Georgia. Newt Gingrich had previously made a bid to become Republican National Chairman, but conceded in favor of Charles Mathias. As the lone Republican Representative from heavily Democratic Georgia, Gingrich was highly supported by the Republican power-players for his unique ability to win in a Southern state and his perceived moderate stances. Gingrich started with a comfortable fundraising advantage and led in many national primary polls for much of the campaign.

However, Gingrich's national advantage and narcissism led him to take his lead for granted, and he invested little in actual campaigning and turnout operations, hoping that the weight of his lead would translate itself into inevitability. However, that was not the case, as other competitors made plays for early states on the Republican Primary calendar: Armstrong betting it all on Iowa, Weicker putting his resources in New Hampshire, and Speaker Ho'kee boldly making the claim that he would win both states. While Armstrong won in Iowa with less than thirty percent of the vote, Areus managed to eke out a win in New Hampshire, thus salvaging half of his initial claim.

Newt Gingrich would not score his first victories until February 9th. In what had replaced South Carolina, Newt campaigned against Armstrong in a hard-fought battle for Tennessee. While Armstrong did his best to turn out rural Tennesseeans, Newt Gingrich's status as a Republican from a southern metropolis area helped him in Knoxville, which delivered a crucial margin of victory. In addition, Gingrich won Wisconsin with a little over a quarter of the vote. Ho'kee won an unimpressive victory in South Dakota and Armstrong managed to eke out a win in Missouri.

February 23rd, dubbed "Super Tuesday" by the media, would prove to be more interesting. The biggest winner may have been Areus Ho'kee, who managed to shut Weicker out of Massachusetts, while also winning Alaska, Montana, and Washington. Senator Armstrong performed respectably, by seizing obvious states such as Idaho and Utah, while also upending Gingrich in Mississippi and Minnesota. The only win that Gingrich would have to walk away with was Alabama, and Weicker would soon drop out and endorse Ho'kee for the nomination, having failed to win any states.

In response to the revelation of millions of dollars of potentially unethical campaign donations from the defense industry to former President Jackson's campaign, Gingrich announced that he would "work toward disengagement in Iran." Many speculated that Gingrich was merely using this as an out to distance himself away from his pro-war position, as support for the War in Iran continued to dwindle. However, this would do little to abate his declining poll numbers. Gingrich went for broke against Armstrong in Florida in hopes of recovering momentum, but would narrowly lose.

Riding high from his victories in Florida, Virginia, and Arizona, Armstrong shocked many in the Republican Party by dropping out days later. Citing insufficient campaign funds and a need for party unity, Armstrong announced that he would be exiting the race, and declined to give an endorsement. While Gingrich had expected to be the main benefactor of this, his vascillating on issues and the attacks that had been made on his personal life made him too volatile for many movement conservatives, who instead either dispersed or resolved to help Laxalt in his late bid to obtain the Working Man's Party nomination.

In the face of low campaign funds and declining poll numbers, Gingrich continued his now errant bid for the nomination, winning easy victories against Ho'kee in states like Georgia and Kentucky. However, in states that played more to Ho'kee's strengths such as New York and New Mexico he was easily rebuffed, and would drop out after a surprisingly poor showing in Ohio, which he'd expected to win. Ho'kee would go on to lose the Louisiana Republican Convention to the out-of-the-running Gingrich, but would sweep the remaining states left outstanding and narrowly attained a majority of delegates.

13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New Irony Ore Mine on: January 16, 2015, 07:37:35 pm
19:35   Snowstalker   the language of bourgeois democracy is simply so trite and vapid
14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XX: A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation on: January 15, 2015, 09:43:27 pm
Talking of which, what have you been eating lately? Still doing the turkey wraps/carrots etc? Have there been any Big Mac Attacks?
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Petition to Recall Representative Winfield on: January 15, 2015, 12:04:42 am

Quote from: Winfield
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Petition to Recall Representative Winfield on: January 14, 2015, 11:08:41 pm
17  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update Season XX: Vote for the title here. on: January 13, 2015, 04:09:46 pm
A Darn Good Judge of My Financial Situation
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: X on: January 13, 2015, 04:00:45 pm
19  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Are you surprised by the lack of ideology/support of opebo correlation? on: January 11, 2015, 10:30:50 pm
omg who cares, spammer
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: January 10, 2015, 01:15:17 pm
I know my finances better than you and I am a darn good judge of my financial situation.

cue FC thread: "is Bushie a 'darn good' judge of his financial situation?"
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update XIX: Melancholy and the Infinite Napping on: January 08, 2015, 08:45:01 pm
if the goal is to get out of your parent's checkbook, why are you renting an apartment you arent living in?  why do you have a super duper cable package in that apartment?
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Valentine's Day merchandise on shelves already?! on: January 08, 2015, 07:45:00 pm
23  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of the Euthanasia Coaster on: January 06, 2015, 03:29:31 pm
Jesus man, it's like you type with a keyboard that has nightmares instead of letters.
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Petition for Adam LeBron FitzGerald to start his own Update-equivalent thread on: January 05, 2015, 08:48:41 pm
#YouCan'tCMe! Tongue

My homage to John Cena. Last week on Raw he made the greatest decision ever by bringing back The Authority! Cheesy

25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Repeal of The Return to Normalcy Act (Debating) on: January 04, 2015, 11:00:40 pm
Typical remarks from an individual who evidently has absolutely no concern for the thousands of people who are injured and killed every year as a result of distracted driving.

This is why you have no leg to stand on with regards to your bellyaching about "personal insults." You really expect to impugn my motives in such a manner and then throw your hands up and go "You're being mean! Sad" ?

Heaven help you if you encounter any real world problems, pal.

These are proven statistics, not numbers I have made up.

I'll grant you that. They are indeed statistics, and for the time being I'll cede that they're proven.

However, I offered contrary evidence that suggested that the measures you've proposed actually lead to people being more distracted than they otherwise would be. There's a difference between knowing your material and understanding your material. In a sense, it's actually you that isn't concerned about the thousands of traffic fatalities that occur, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in that you don't fully comprehend what you've been reading.

And Mr. Dallasfan, if you have nothing of consequence to add to this debate

Glass houses. You've voluntarily tabled about half of your own bills so far because you know that they would go nowhere.
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