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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of politicus on: Today at 03:50:24 pm
everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy, just saying

"But remember that this is not some long distance cyberspace enmity with a guy in Australia or Montana, you are well within my reach shovel-face. So be a good little boy and piss off from both forums, otherwise this is about to become personal and switch to RL."

2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 Special Senate Election on: Today at 03:35:15 pm
[1] Talleyrand
3  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Politicus on: October 06, 2015, 06:58:59 pm
She deletes valuable threads she created once in a while she gets upset.

We lost a whole thread about Portugal due to her antics.

Please, Dave, remove her ability to delete her own thread or her abitily to create them, so it won't happen again.

Maybe she just had her period ... during which stuff like this happens.


4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Take Back Atlasia- Talleyrand 2015 on: October 03, 2015, 05:14:36 pm


Seriously, this nation (even the Northeast!) has turned into an inactive reactionary hellhole.

5  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: kalash valley on: October 03, 2015, 04:16:26 pm

6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: October 03, 2015, 04:12:10 pm
I believe it was this timeline that caused me to ask this question, sir.

I haven't fleshed out any statutory policy yet on a ratio of images to letters yet but I messaged him about it.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How powerful would Rubio's Vice President be? on: September 30, 2015, 03:41:34 pm
I guess I'll leave now and Heatmaster will become the smartest poster on here.

8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: September 29, 2015, 01:04:42 pm
I'm not sure where to ask this, but can we have some guidelines on how, if pictures take up more space on your timeline posts than your text does, there's a way of policing or penalizing that? There's something going on in the contemporary what-if? world that's very disturbing.

Can you link me to any specific examples?

I don't want to police content too much here outside of the more grotesque counterfactuals (e.g. assassinations) but if this is something that's eating up our bandwidth then I'll have to step in.

It's subjective. Who's to judge? Me. Smiley
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 23, 2015, 10:18:25 pm
Areus hacks for his bill: 1988

The Return to Normalcy Act was the most ambitious agenda item of Areus' presidency thus far. The former Speaker of the House had been meticulous in threading the needles to secure his speakership and the Republican nomination for President; he certainly wasn't going to fumble his biggest policy initiative.

"Thad, you're still on board with being the Senate sponsor for this proposal, right?" asked Areus. "Of course. I consider it a great honor to carry this torch and make the case before my peers, much like with the filibuster," said Thad. "Good. Glad to see we're on the same page. Obviously, this is going to be an issue that is going to be debated for a long time in the Senate," said Areus.

Thad nodded in acknowledgement. "Which is why I'm going to open this up with a speech to try and set the narrative. While your peers may water this down in the Senate, I figure rolling out with a speech will give this bill good momentum in the public relations department," said Areus. "By the way, do you think you could bring Cynthia along?" he asked.

"What makes you ask that?" inquired Thad. "Well, it'd be nice to have a female Republican around while we were selling our point. Plus she doesn't look so bad in stockings. You'd better wife her up quickly, Thad…" said Areus. "Or else?" asked Thad defensively. "Nothing. Just a joke," said Areus. Several days later, Thad found himself dressing up for a flight to Los Angeles. While he was unable to secure Cynthia's presence, he made sure his own schedule was clear.

The ride was relatively free of turbulence. Thad had sedated himself with champagne during the commute, and was in Los Angeles before he knew it. He rode with Areus Ho'kee to his campaign rally and took his side, hands folded in his lap, as the former took the stage.

"Thank you all for joining me this evening. I'm speaking about a matter of grave importance: our presence in the world in the late 20th century. In our last two scuffles, we've had two losses. Some would argue that we ought to invest more in our presence abroad. However, I would argue that this is a sign we've bitten too much off to chew. Consider the two cases:

In the 1960's, one of our ships supposedly gets sunk in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. We respond by invading a third-world nation that ostensibly was outmatched, and we dropped more ordinance on them than we did on any country in World War Two. Despite this fact, the Vietnamese had the better of us. Why? Because of support from the Chinese and Soviets, a lack of support on our behalf, and overextension.

A similar case: in the late 1970's some of our ambassadors to Iran were executed. We invaded that nation and were on track to avenge our losses. We managed to dismantle their capital city and establish control of their principal oil cites. Despite such dominance, insurrectionist groups managed to sabotage our operations, turned Tehran into a warzone, and sought to destroy many oil drilling sites rather than simply reclaim them.

By no means am I celebrating our overseas defeats, although I will note that they serve as a cautionary tale. The post-war consensus of fighting the Soviets by proxy and using third-world countries as pliable pawns has largely proven to be a bust for the United States.  Thus, I'm proposing something radically different: a return to normalcy.

Long score ago, President James Monroe proposed his namesake doctrine - the idea that the United States reserved the right to recognize intervention in any Western Hemisphere country by an Eastern Hemisphere country as a direct act of aggression towards the United States. Since this proclamation by President Monroe, we've hypocritically transgressed by intervening in the Middle East and Indo-China and it has been our undoing.

As ambitious of a proposal as it may be, I am advocating for change: a return to this protocol. Yes, this entails withdrawal from Europe, Korea, and Japan, as well as the anticipated withdrawal from Iran. I understand that some of you are concerned that our departure from Germany and Japan would make those countries open season for the Soviets, but that is not the case. Such a proposal would be coupled with a gradual withdrawal, as well as lifting prohibitions on standing armies and allowing said countries to pursue nuclear technology.

The reality is that the allegiances of the 1940's have been cast off. Once upon a time, Germany, Japan, and Korea were bitter enemies of ours who inflicted grave casualties upon the United States. However, these days, all three of these countries have been valuable trading partners. It has long since been time that we beat our swords into plowshares, embrace these countries, and allow them to have their own militaries, which would relieve stress off of us.

I'm aware of the obvious dangers that such a proposal entails: what if the Soviets flood Europe with soldiers? What if European soldiers can't cut the mustard against the Russians? To which I respond: withdrawal from Europe would be a gradual process, which would pay long term dividends. France, Germany, and England would have to spend more of their resources toward training a military.

If fulfilled, a strategic defense initiative would be far superior to protecting Europe than a standing army, and more logistically practical. Missiles do not need to be fed, and cost less. While two hundred thousand soldiers in France might be a fine deterrent against a Soviet invasion, the prospect of Soviet nuclear missiles being intercepted might be even more imposing, no?

With all of that being said, I ask that you register your support for this proposal that would dial down the Cold War."
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Constitutional Convention Delegate Election on: September 22, 2015, 12:17:57 pm
[1] oakvale
[2] bore
[3] Cincinnatus
[4] evergreen
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: September 18, 2015, 04:20:05 pm

So I got drunk this evening, unexpectedly (with only 2 goddamn cups of wine!!!). But the party ended at like 7PM and all my friends left. So now I'm drunk and alone.

Life suxxxx

Have you considered hanging with these guys?

Seems like a good fit.
12  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: September 18, 2015, 04:11:05 pm
Northeast National Party
13  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Please ban "Zen Lunatic". on: September 16, 2015, 07:45:40 am
Generally I don't sign petitions. But this is different.

X- My mark.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Atlas Timeline Index on: September 15, 2015, 08:57:41 am
Thanks for taking up the mantle, Dar, my desire to continue archiving timelines dissipated when I ran into just how many... shall we say ones not worth preserving there were. I'm glad someone was willing to fill my shoes. Smiley I recommend that you reserve many more posts for archives, as this stuff can go back to the mid-2000's.

Is there any way I can increase my word limit for the archives post to >11,000? Contact Dave?

No. But I think I can move posts up or down via mod wizardry.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: September 13, 2015, 05:52:52 pm
I'm running for Vice President on SWE's ticket.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Policy on childboards on: September 13, 2015, 10:21:10 am
OK, speaking up as moderator here.

I'd like to think that it's a given that the rules of the TOS apply here (no graphic images or spam) as well as a code of civility. My own posts tend to have a little vinegar in them when I'm trying to get a point across so I tend to be laissez-faire unless something is really over the line.

Getting that out of the way, here's how I run this show:

Past Election What-Ifs?: Questions about former elections and possible counterfactuals go here. (Ex: John F. Kennedy in 1964?) Posts made in the main board about such possibilities will be moved here.

Alternative Elections: Discussion about possible future elections will go here. (Ex: Carson in 2016?) Posts made in the main board about such possibilities will be moved here. (ibid)

International What-ifs: "Discussion of alternate possibilities in international elections." As it says on the tin.

As long as we conduct ourselves in this manner, this will leave the main board free for timelines and interactive games. Smiley

EDIT: Absurd match-ups: For awhile there was the pervasive problem of some posters making impossible match-ups (Ex: Superman vs Batman.) These will be treated as spam and deleted unless it prompts an intelligent discussion.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Atlas Timeline Index on: September 13, 2015, 10:10:37 am
Thanks darthebear.

I think I'm going to keep Cathcon's stickied because there were a lot of TL's on that one that people might want easier access to, and we don't seem to have a problem with cluttered stickies.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 10, 2015, 07:24:58 pm
While I've been following the more recent updates to this more or less regularly, my holidays allowed me to finally read this from the start. I must say, you truly are the king of Atlas timelines. This timeline is by far the best thing ever written in this subforum.

Thanks man, that means a lot to me. I've been doing this for quite some time and my writing style has changed since I started this (hopefully for the better.) It's encouraging for someone to give it a full-read and not say "this sucked at first" or something. I appreciate it. Smiley

Kudos for keeping this up for so long, I just hope you will not finish this in a long time!

At my current trajectory, I probably won't finish it any time soon haha. Favorite character?
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 09, 2015, 11:52:46 pm
Dude, this is awesome. Love how Ho'kee's fiddling around with wonky, Reagan-era defense projects. Will some of the subjects raised by "Project Socrates" also be discussed? There's a semi-interesting, if very short, Wikipedia article on the topic.

And last page you were saying RIP America! Tongue

There will definitely be some out-of-the-box ideas pursued by Ho'kee. Anything out of Project Socrates is probably unlikely though, based on what I've read, as free-trade and technology have been a bread-and-butter facet of Ho'kee's rhetoric.
20  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which state do you live in? on: September 07, 2015, 10:17:08 pm
gah if only we had pictures next to our posts of where we lived

But there's no way to figure out how many people are from each state unless a poll is done.

Technically speaking, there is.

You may argue, "Yeah but a lot of those people may no longer be active!" or "Who would go through the effort of checking that whole list?"

To which I would argue: Most people who are active enough to vote in this poll are probably prolific enough where most people are aware of their presence/where they lived - which means we already (or should at least) have a cursory idea of where most posters live. And if they aren't, then who cares? What does this all mean? Is it actual content creation, or just content aggregation ala Buzzfeed?
21  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Which state do you live in? on: September 07, 2015, 04:24:46 pm
gah if only we had pictures next to our posts of where we lived
22  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Suspension lifted for Brady on: September 03, 2015, 07:53:34 pm
You guys should try living less than an hour from Gillette. It's worse by orders of magnitude.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 03, 2015, 12:01:03 am
Hangover: 1988:

Although Areus Ho'kee had captured the rights to the White House, most of his political meetings were still conducted in his estate a few miles away. After clearing some Secret Service pat-downs, Thad O'Connor made his way toward Areus' basement. It was as full as it had been in months. There were some familiar figures, such as Ericson Snell, James Garner, Santiago St. Avila, and Lawrence Coventry. "Good to see you, Thad!" yelled Lawrence.

Thad quickly made his way toward Lawrence Coventry, giving him a big hug. "Congratulations on attaining the position of Senate Majority leader," said Thad. "Congratulations on winning reelection!" said Lawrence in response. "Considering our tenuous position and all of the setbacks we endured, it's still hard to believe that we wound up holding the Presidency, Senate, and Speakership," said Thad.

Thad felt a finger pinch his collar and a nail ruffle his chest. "Yeah. In the end, the best man wins, right?" a sensuous voice whispered in his ear. Alarmed, Thad looked to his back left, only to see a buxom blue-eyed blonde over his shoulder. It was Alice Luce, who he hadn't seen in months. Although Thad was emotionally committed to Cynthia Lancaster, he felt some of his old longing toward Alice while in her embrace.

After some hesitation, Thad shook her off. "How have you been, Alice?" he asked. "Quite well Thad, don't you know? I've been Governor for about two years." Thad could feel her nails still raking his shoulders as she spoke, and struggled to extricate himself from the situation. "Are you still seeing Scott?" he asked. "No. Scott's a prick," she responded. Before further inquiry could be made, Thad heard his summons from across the room.

"Thad! Get your ass over here!" said Areus. Thad rushed to meet the party of Areus Ho'kee, Ericson Snell, and Santiago St. Avila. "So what's going on?" asked Thad. "Well, we've been brainstorming on what we should tackle as the first initiative of our administration," said Areus. Ericson interjected, saying, "That’s not quite the issue at hand. The issue at hand is the fact that you've been President for two-hundred days and have yet to embark on a legislative achievement," said Ericson Snell.

"Sure, there's some truth to that. I think a big part of the problem is that I've just been having too much fun," said Areus. "Yes, but it's a big middle finger to those that invested themselves in your political victory and the issues that you claimed to advocate for," said Snell. "You're right, Eric, which is why I've gotten you all here," said Areus. "Executive orders and appointments aside, I haven't done much so far. That's all going to change, with the Return to Normalcy Act," he declared.

"What is the Return to Normalcy Act?" asked Thad. "Our military spends too much money. We've been investing in bases in just about every Cold War hot spot, whether it be Britain, France, West Germany, Japan, or Berlin. Those countries are certainly wealthy enough to defend themselves, and our large military presence in those countries is a strain on our budget." said Ho'kee.

Ericson Snell was perplexed. "Completely withdrawing from Europe? This sounds like a Democratic attack ad," he said. "How do you figure? Consider how West Germany has benefited from trade with the United States. There is no reason why France and the United Kingdom shouldn't be responsible for their own defense. In the event that those countries are invaded, we should support them, but I don't think military presence should be the default."

"Whatever. Even disregarding all of that, there's still the matter of protecting Japan. Days before Japan surrendered, the Soviets nabbed a few islands. If we're going to ensure that the Soviets don't gain a foothold in Japan, how do we withdraw our troops?" asked Snell. Ho'kee looked down at him with disdain. "Simple: we renegotiate our the previous dealings with Japan and allow for them to have their own military," he said.

"That sounds practical, but what if the armies of France and Germany aren't enough to resist an attempt to drape the Iron Curtain over western Europe? How do we guard against the Soviets?" asked Snell. "It's funny you ask, Eric. Despite the public perception that we're surrendering Europe to the Russians, I think that an ambitious missile defense program could work in our favor. What would be a better way of neutralizing Russia's nuclear threat than a missile defense system that could shut down Russia's nukes?" said Ho'kee.

Eric remained silent. "For most of our lifetimes, the biggest factor preventing a bloodbath in Central Europe was the threat of mutually assured destruction. If we can develop the technology to nullify Soviet nuclear strikes, then we would have the edge over the Russians. The USSR's million man army would fold like paper soldiers against the threat of nuclear destruction with no rebuttal," said Ho'kee.

Snell was breathless for a moment. "Are you sure all of this would work?" he asked. "During my tenure, the science seems to support this missile defense program having a strong chance of neutering Soviet strikes," said Ho'kee. "Fair enough. Still, as burned as Americans are feeling over the Iran War, how confident are you setting this up as your opening initiative?" Snell asked.

"I wouldn't trust just any Senator to advocate this legislation. We made big gains in the Senate, but there's only one person that I think has the skills to argue for this. He just won reelection, he's articulate, and he proved crucial in the Iran filibuster in 1986. I'm talking about Thad O'Connor," said Areus, who grabbed Thad's shoulder and stared into his eyes. "One person who's proven himself eloquent on a few issues in the Senate, and just dispatched a popular Governor in his bid to earn his first real mandate. This bill is your opportunity to shine," said Areus, as he brushed his fingers through Thad's bangs.

Thad's heart raced, as this was the most physical Areus had gotten with him. "Do you think you could do it, Thad?" asked Eric. "Such legislation would be a watershed moment in American history. For the first time since the Thirties, we would be considering withdrawing from the world and restoring our military budget to a more sane one. Of course I will assent to sponsoring this," said Thad.
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Determining regulations of Constitutional Convention. (Debating) on: September 01, 2015, 03:46:47 pm
Please get out Blair, you aren't a citizen anymore of Atlasia

Are you trying to say he should NeverAgain comment here?
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: August 18, 2015, 09:00:59 pm
TIME - Ho'kee at the helm
April 30th, 1989

President Ho'kee's cabinet:
Vice President: Lee Dreyfus (R-WI)
Chief of Staff: Colin V. Goates (R-NY)
Secretary of State: Lawrence Eagleburger (R-WI)
Secretary of Defense: Eugene McCarthy (D-MN)
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare: Stewart McKinney (R-CT)
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development: Shepherd Slater (R-MA)
Secretary of Interior: Frederic Reid (R-IA)
Secretary of Commerce: Barber Conable (R-NY)
Secretary of Treasury: Milton Friedman (R-CA)
Secretary of Agriculture: George S. Mickelson (R-SD)
Secretary of Labor: Paul Tsongas (D-MA)
Secretary of Transportation: Don Aitken (R-NH)
Postmaster General: Richard Knauss (I-NV)
Attorney General: Howard Baker (R-TN)
UN Ambassador: John McClaughry (R-VT)

100 days in review
Areus Ho'kee was campaigning against a beleaguered President, and offered big promises: he would drain the swamp of political corruption in Washington, end the United States' long term engagements world wide, and fix the economy. While those are big promises and hard to act on, President Ho'kee has not shown much initiative in his first one-hundred days in office.

The budget and pork barrel spending was one of Ho'kee's chief talking points during the campaign. However, Ho'kee is working off of a budget freshly signed by the exiting Bentsen, so it's difficult to fault him for the excesses of the departing Bentsen's budget. President Ho'kee has promised an unprecedented line-item veto on potential waste of the next budget.

Despite the fact that he ran as the #1 anti-war candidate last year, Ho'kee has been uncharacteristically sluggish in withdrawing the United States' military from select countries. Some of his critics, like Patton Wyde, attributed this to "getting in the chair and seeing what it actually means," while Richard McPherson suggested that "Ho'kee was wearing a white flag as a lapel." Ho'kee's front office had little to say but mentioned they would have a response in weeks to come.

Lastly, Ho'kee has taken heat on the environmental front. Over two dozen nuclear power plants exist in the West that could be killed by the President's pen. The law allowing drilling in the Gulf coast lays at mercy of the President's penmanship. Ho'kee campaigned as critical of both, but has done nothing to take action since assuming the office.

"When running for President, I was critical of both industries, because I was worried about the environmental threats that they might pose. So far, the Gulf coast drilling operations have achieved the standard expected by the EPA, and the nuclear power plants have had no incidents.

I consider myself to be an environmentalist, but I think part of that activist package means that we need to be proactive and adventurous in exploring alternative energy and drilling methods. The American-made car continues to be a staple not only of our way of life, but also of our domestic industry. It's in both of our interests that these cars have good fuel economies."

There was some action on Ho'kee's part directly from the executive desk. As is custom with new Presidents, Ho'kee immediately rescinded most of Bentsen's executive orders. He also issued a statement that the Attorney General would be continuing the investigation of state Democratic Party affiliates, and reassured the press that he would be coming out with a policy initiative with regards to the Iran War.

Despite Ho'kee's lax approach to governance, he has maintained a positive approval rating. Perhaps some of this is relief for not being subjected to the drama and controversies of the Bentsen administration. Ho'kee has yet to champion legislative initiatives, but his departments have made some moves, such as the Treasury's decision to raise interest rates and tighten monetary printing.

Presidential Approval Ratings
April 25th, 1989

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