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1  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Should emoji be banned? on: November 27, 2015, 08:50:19 pm

2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of Bacon King as Justice (Debating) on: November 07, 2015, 11:26:15 am
What a truly ignominious spectacle this has been!

The Senate has seen fit to prevent one of the most qualified legal minds in the history of Atlasia from taking a seat on the Supreme Court at a time of record inactivity and inability to fill government positions.  Now, the President has stated that he is in no hurry to fill this seat, and so the Senate, by its actions here today, has neutered the highest court in the land and destroyed the career of one of our most respected statesmen. 

I haven't been paying too much attention but it seems like Atlasia is just three people talking to each other these days. At least BK won't have to waste his time with this game
3  Forum Community / Mock Parliment / Re: 2nd General Election of South America on: November 06, 2015, 09:46:43 pm
Social Liberals
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Confirmation of Bacon King as Justice (Debating) on: November 06, 2015, 04:19:47 pm
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 02, 2015, 02:07:45 am
Conference: 1988

Two days after the defeat of the Return to Normalcy Act, Thad O'Connor was invited to the White House for a meeting with the President. Thad approached the White House gates, only to encounter the Secret Service. "Who are you?" asked two burly agents. "I'm Thad O'Connor, the Senator from Maine." said Thad. "You don't look like a congressman," said one agent. After several moments of looking over Thad's license, as well as correspondence with White House security, Thad was granted entrance to the White House.

Thad was quickly guided down a corridor and into the first room on his left. He bade little attention towards his surroundings, more captivated by the surreal experience of being in the White House. Suddenly, he was in the same room as Areus Ho'kee, Lawrence Coventry, and Ericson Snell. "Welcome Thad! Please sit down," greeted Areus Ho'kee, before pouring him a glass of wine. "I wanted to confer with my inner circle on how we've been doing so far, and what our next plan of action ought to be," said Ho'kee.

"Well, as you know, your Return to Normalcy Act narrowly failed in Congress. You haven't pushed much of an agenda so far, so you're going to have to salvage this legislation somehow," said Snell. "Of course. I had the terms of the Return to Normalcy Act written to the furthest extent of plausibility possible, and I'm not entirely sure that I would've signed the original text into law," said Ho'kee.

"Are you kidding me? What's the point of grinding it out over this legislation?" asked Snell. "Consider the Cold War mentality of the Republican Party and the Jacksonian Democrats. This was less about passing a bill and more about drawing distinctions and moving goalposts necessary to pass a future legislative item," said Ho'kee. "So, you proposed a bill without actual intentions of it passing, but just to run down the calendar and change the narrative?

When I supported you for President and yielded my Speaker position, you promised that there would be fiscal conservatism and debt awareness. Now, however, you've spent most of the Presidency in leisure, and the only proposal you've advocated for was to withdraw the United States from the rest of the World; without any hopes that it would even pass," said Ericson Snell.

Areus Ho'kee pinched his chin. "What was one of our key avenues toward reducing America's financial commitment, Eric? Reducing our spending on overseas bases. The reality is the Return to Normalcy Act has much more to do with missiles than it does soldiers, and that pruning our overseas presence would only be a boon toward our nation's finances. The Return to Normalcy Act is fiscal conservatism, because it relieves pressure on the United States to be in other countries.

"Fair enough. But even if we can get this plan to pass, what would be next on the agenda? Passing one bill in four years isn't much of an accomplishment," said Snell. "There are some obvious things, like immigration and tax reform. I'd like to tackle things like Social Security, urban renewal, and the highway, but that may be more side-bar stuff. I think that the biggest blow to the jaw of the Democratic Party would be healthcare reform, and if we could find a way to work that issue then we could rob them of a campaign issue," said Ho'kee.

"How do you plan on doing that?" asked Snell with a degree of cynicism. "I'm not 100% sure yet," said Ho'kee.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: November 02, 2015, 02:06:49 am
October 17th, 1989

Areus' initiative stalls
The election of 1988 was a political snake pit: an unpopular incumbent Democratic President faced a crowded Republican field. After a divisive primary campaign, Speaker Areus Ho'kee clinched the Republican nomination, only to have to contend with an additional right-wing splinter party in the form of the Working Man's Party. Areus Ho'kee remained undaunted, and promised to revitalize America's economy and normalize our foreign relations, if elected President.

Since his victory and inauguration, President Ho'kee had been surprisingly inconspicuous and had developed a languor aura. Republicans had control of the White House and both chambers of Congress for the first time in many voters' lifetimes, yet he was inert when it came to pushing an agenda. Some Democrats may have been licking their chops, thinking that Ho'kee was more interested with the idea of being President than actually being President.

However, that changed when Ho'kee fielded his proposal for a change in the United States' foreign policy. Senator Thad O'Connor, a close ally of President Ho'kee, submitted a bill on behalf of the administration arguing for gradual withdrawal from Europe. President Ho'kee, not wanting to be seen as a summer soldier, personally took to the field in Los Angeles and advocated for this proposal. It was the most proactive performance he had put on as President.

Despite this gritty advocacy, the Return to Normalcy Act narrowly failed in the Republican-controlled Congress. President Areus Ho'kee seemed undaunted, merely saying, "We'll move the goalposts if we have to. My biggest priority is maintaining stability in Europe; if waiting an extra five years to withdraw from that continent is necessary, then so be it."

Aye: Jefferson Dent (R-AL), Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Pete McCloskey (R-CA), Ed Zschau (R-CA), Gary Hart (D-CO), Lowell Weicker (R-CT), Christopher Shays (R-CT), Joe Biden (D-DE),  Spark Matsunaga (D-HI), Orval Smylie (R-ID), Frederic Reid (R-IA), Jim Leach (R-IA), Thad O'Connor (R-ME), Ralph Stevenson (R-ME), Wayne Gilchrest (R-MD), Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Bill Weld (R-MA), Mic Ceriel (R-MI), William Milliken (R-MI), Scott Westman (D-MT), Helen Brisco (R-MT), Chic Hect (R-NV), Malcolm McLane (R-NH), Maurice Murphy (R-NH), Thomas Kean (R-NJ), Millicent Fenwick (R-NJ),  David F. Cargo (R-NM), Hamilton Fish (R-NY), Al Green (R-NY), Mark Andrews (R-ND), Warren Ford (R-ND), Victor Atiyeh (R-OR), Mark Hatfield (R-OR), John Chafee (R-RI), George McGovern (D-SD), James Garner (R-TX), Lawrence Coventry (R-VT), Margaret Garland (R-VT), Marshall Coleman (R-VA), Santiago St. Avila (R-WA), Jasper Morrill (R-WA), Steve Gunderson (R-WI), Herb Kohl (R-WI), Alan Simpson (R-WY), Malcolm Wallop (R-WI) (45)

Nay: Ted Stevens (R-AK), Clark Gruening (D-AK), Howell Heflin (D-AL), Bob Stump (D-AZ), Dale Bumpers (D-AR), Bill Armstrong (R-CO), Lawton Chiles (D-FL), Richard McPherson (D-FL), Sam Nunn (D-GA), John D. Russell (D-GA), George Hansen (WMP-ID), Alex Seith (D-IL), Jim Edgar (R-IL), Floyd Fithian (D-IN), Bob Dole (R-KS), Joan Finney (D-KS), Walter Huddleston (D-KY), Wendell Ford (D-KY), Mike Foster (D-LA), Clarence Long (D-MD), David Durenburger (D-MN), Gillespie Montgomery (D-MS), Patton Wyde (D-MS), Thomas Eagleton (D-MO), John Danforth (R-MO), James Exon (D-NE), Paul Laxalt (WMP-NV), Bruce King (D-NM), Robert Morgan (D-NC), John Ingram (D-NC), James Traficant (D-OH), David Boren (D-OK), Wes Watkins (D-OK), John Heinz (R-PA), John Murtha (D-PA), Strom Thurmond (R-SC), Ernest Hollings (D-SC), Larry Pressler (R-SD), Marilyn Lloyd (D-TN), Jim Sasser (D-TN), Bill Archer (WMP-TX), Jake Garn (R-UT), Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Andrew Miller (D-VA), Jennings Randolph (D-WV), Robert Byrd (D-WV) (46)

Abstain: David Pryor (D-AR), William Roth (R-DE), Daniel Inouye (D-HI), Richard Lugar (R-IN), Bennett Johnston Jr. (D-LA), Walter Mondale (D-MN), Charles Thone (R-NE), John Glenn (D-OH), Claiborne Pell (D-RI), (9)
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale for NE Senator - Thank You! on: October 31, 2015, 08:42:17 pm

Wow, so much energy! Congratulations!
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The CrabCake Bureau of Funny Post Archival on: October 27, 2015, 07:41:16 am
How about you don't be a finksing narc and you go off to your Zumba class and listen to Jimmy Buffet or something, mom.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 General Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: October 23, 2015, 11:25:29 pm

[1] SWE/Dallasfan


[1] Oakvale
10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: October 16, 2015, 07:08:18 pm
Make Atlasia Great Again! Party
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Bacon King Memorial Good Post Gallery on: October 12, 2015, 11:34:10 am
I think DeadPrez, haven't you got that assways?  A Trump supporter?  Figures!...playing fast & lose with the facts, no back up to statements or claims made....you are learning well from that blow-hard.  Trump is by far the biggest fraud that there is. He says or does anything to main viability.  I will tell you this, America is in deep trouble if it thinks that shylock will be an improvement over that nincampoop currently occupying the Oval Office. I mean people actually want a phony baloney misogynist egomaniac in the Oval Office?  Give me a break. Trump is a hack with a trophy wife bimbo. Look at that face and his dress sense is worse. Doesn't have a coherent idea on anything and thinks going bankrupt 4 times and indulging in name calling are qualities that qualify him to sit in the White House? 😁😂😃😑😂😂😂....that's hysterical if you think that DeadPrez😂😁. ...TRUMP IS A LOW-RENT FRAUD! it's all about him....you actually think he gives a fig about America or you for that matter. If so, maybe if you are that addled and stupid,  you shouldn't have the vote. Support someone who can lead and is not a Johnny come lately. Do yourself that favor!

get outta here with that crap
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: October 11, 2015, 08:08:22 pm
Pushing forward: 1988

A mere week after Areus had unveiled his grand plan to withdraw the United States from the Eastern hemisphere, Thad O'Connor found himself approaching the Senate chamber, with a stack of paper in hand. As he walked down the aisle, he observed that about thirty of his peers were in attendance; chiefly amongst them, Senator Patton Wyde. Wyde had a reputation for being bombastic and steadfast on the Senate floor, but Thad's confidence remained undaunted.

"Mr. President, I would ask five minutes of your time," asked Thad O'Connor. Hamilton Fish, the freshman Senator, merely nodded in acknowledgement. "Thank you Mr. President. I bring this bill before the Senate because I believe we ought to re-examine the role of our troops in Western Europe, and our presence in the rest of the world.

The ideology of Communism and the reach of the Soviet Union is an intimidating premise, and rightfully so. This is a philosophy that has dominated the Eastern Hemisphere; whether it be by brute force in Hungary, bargaining with China, or by proxy in Vietnam. By any measure, the Soviets are dominant around most of the globe. Since the Fifties, our Presidents and State Departments have tried to keep pace with the Soviet Union, namely in Indo-China and the Middle East.

There is an actuary table to suggest what might actually happen when we intervene in global events: Vietnam and Iran. Both have ended in defeat. Some might argue that we were 'not hard enough' on the Vietnamese, but the reality is that we dropped more ordinance on Vietnam than we did on the Axis in World War Two and were still unable to defeat them. Similarly speaking, in Iran, we acted out of vengeance and blind rage but had limited success.

The Return to Normalcy Act proposes that we adopt a more realistic approach to foreign policy. Considering the wealth of European nations, there is no need for us to provide for their security. Is there any reason why we ought to have bases in countries like France and the United Kingdom? Both of these countries are economic powerhouses and there is no reason why they can't provide for their own defense.

This legislation proposes that we re-organize our foreign policy to be more in sync with the Monroe Doctrine. Both instances of our military intervening in long distance conflicts have resulted in eventual failure. I understand that current treaties forbid Japan and West Germany from having a military, but these are antiquations that we must overcome:  the chains that have been levied on Japan and Germany do not serve the purposes of NATO, and those countries should be allowed to pursue their own militaries.

The Return to Normalcy Act also addresses a modern component of geopolitics: nuclear armaments. Four decades ago, our military dropped two atomic bombs in a horrific display of manslaughter. Since then, we've been involved in several global conflicts, but our casualties have been decreased by orders of magnitude. While horrific in display, the threat of nuclear warfare has been an equalizer.

On that front, this bill not only keeps our current missile count intact, but also appropriates money towards the research of anti-missile technology. The Soviets may devote their best efforts to outpacing us with nuclear armaments, but what happens when we can shoot theirs out of the sky? Peace. I ask that the Senate pass this bill, in pursuit of a more rational foreign policy.

Senator Patton Wyde rushed toward the opposing podium. "Mr. President, representing the Democratic caucus, I ask for five minutes of the floor," said Patton Wyde. "The Senate recognizes the gentleman from Mississippi," Hamilton Fish said flatly. Patton Wyde took a glance at his notepad before addressing the Senate.

"Thank you Mr. President. The Senator from Maine outlines lofty goals in his proposal. In one bill, he suggests that he has the missing piece to the puzzle of the Cold War, and that he can solve the riddle of the current global situation. For one man to suggest that he has the answers to these two problems is laughable on its own, but his proposed means are even more so.

The United States established itself as a superpower after relieving the beleaguered English and rescuing Europe from the clutches of Nazi Germany. Since then, we've been a difference maker in several key situations and our influence stretches every bit as far as the Soviet Union's does. To relinquish such presence in Europe as fast as this proposal suggests would be tantamount to making Canada the next Soviet satellite - do we really trust England and France to assert themselves militarily in such a short span of time?

The Senator's reasoning for not participating in global events is also folly: Operation Linebacker decimated the Vietnamese. The Vietnamese had more casualties than we did. Our army was fundamentally better despite being on foreign soil. Similarly speaking, we decimated the Iranian army and held our own against the Soviet proxy forces. It was only the decline in public support and inclination towards withdrawal that shook the confidence of our army.

With regards to hearkening back to the Monroe Doctrine, I too long for the 'good old days' but this borders on delusion. The Monroe Doctrine might have been practical when sailing from Spain to Brazil took several weeks. However, in the age of airplanes and proxy warfare, the world has gotten too small to be simplified like that. Even if it could be, I doubt the Soviet Union would play by the same rules. Such thinking is na´ve.

Lastly, the Senator from Maine is proposing something particularly alarming: the idea that we could 'shoot out' Soviet Missiles from the sky. Does this not sound terrifying to anybody else? We live in an era of global war against Communism, and the Republican Party is proposing that we withdraw from Europe and the Middle East on the shaky notion that we can blow Soviet missiles out of the sky?"

Thad O'Connor rushed toward the podium to rebut Senator Wyde's remarks. "Mr. President, I request five minutes of the Senate's time," asked Thad. "The Senate recognizes the gentleman from Maine," said Fish in a perfunctory tone. "Thank you Mr. President. I fought in Vietnam and remember the struggle well. It's true that we dropped lots of ordinance, and that we outpaced the Vietnamese in casualties. On paper, the United States won that war. All of this proves a larger point: trying to nation-build a country so far on the other side of the globe is folly and unsustainable.

The insinuation that we would let Canada devolve into a Soviet satellite is also off-base. This bill maintains commitment to the Monroe Doctrine, and we would not let the U.S.S.R. make any further encroachments into the Western Hemisphere. Besides, Mulroney is quite popular with the people of Canada. Furthermore, the Senator from Mississippi is fear-mongering here: This bill calls for a withdrawal from England within five years, and from France and Germany within fifteen. That ought to be ample time for their militaries to prepare themselves.

The Senator from Mississippi has belittled this proposal for hearkening back toward 'the good old days' and that this proposal is na´ve. He counters by arguing that we should up the ante in Iran, and that we could've walked away with a win in Vietnam. He also argues that, despite nearly forty years of conflict, our foreign policy towards the Soviet Union has been successful and worth pursuit.

I am not going to address the rest of the Senator's objections. Let me end on this appeal: since the fall of Japan and Nazi Germany, we've been in a perpetual stalemate, or at times, losing to the Soviet Union. It ought to be self-evident that this approach does not work. What I'm proposing is something unconventional: rather than toothless SALT treaties that the U.S.S.R. does not abide by, why not seek peace through missile strength? Let the nuclear deterrent starve Russia."
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Do you have a more positive opinion of Vladimir Putin or Christopher Columbus? on: October 11, 2015, 11:04:14 am

Thats not genocide, unless you consider Stalin to have commited genocide. Was Colombus a bad person yes but putin is worse. Also The British and the Spanish committed the genocide not him as I believe the europeans were in the racial minority until the 1700s which means the British, French, Spanish who came after Columbus committed genocide

14  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of politicus on: October 10, 2015, 10:33:12 am
everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy, just saying

"But remember that this is not some long distance cyberspace enmity with a guy in Australia or Montana, you are well within my reach shovel-face. So be a good little boy and piss off from both forums, otherwise this is about to become personal and switch to RL."

No. Get this off here right now.

You're suggesting my post was bad? These PMs to Gustaf weren't even sent (or published) when I posted that. What's more, no one can truly disagree that Politicus contributed so much to the International Elections board, and my post needs to be seen in that light.

Sure. What's bad about the post is it makes a broad, sweeping statement: "everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy." One can be a big contributor to certain threads or boards and still be a HP; I for one think that personal threats make somebody HP-caliber. What's more is that the subject of the OP is probably closer to "crazy" than the people voting HP.

For the record, this isn't entirely anything new - just ask oakvale or hashemite.

E: Also, politicus just made a sock posting stuff like this and that so...
15  About this Site / How To / Re: How to make primary maps on Atlas on: October 09, 2015, 08:00:48 pm
I am interested in making a primary map, but when I go to the 2012 primary election results there is no primary delegate calculator like there is for the electoral map calculator .

To my knowledge there is no primary map tool on Atlas - you have to make the maps yourself via Microsoft Paint or some image editing equivalent.
16  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of politicus on: October 09, 2015, 03:50:24 pm
everyone who votes HP in this poll is literally crazy, just saying

"But remember that this is not some long distance cyberspace enmity with a guy in Australia or Montana, you are well within my reach shovel-face. So be a good little boy and piss off from both forums, otherwise this is about to become personal and switch to RL."

17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2015 Special Senate Election on: October 09, 2015, 03:35:15 pm
[1] Talleyrand
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Take Back Atlasia- Talleyrand 2015 on: October 03, 2015, 05:14:36 pm


Seriously, this nation (even the Northeast!) has turned into an inactive reactionary hellhole.

19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: October 03, 2015, 04:12:10 pm
I believe it was this timeline that caused me to ask this question, sir.

I haven't fleshed out any statutory policy yet on a ratio of images to letters yet but I messaged him about it.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How powerful would Rubio's Vice President be? on: September 30, 2015, 03:41:34 pm
I guess I'll leave now and Heatmaster will become the smartest poster on here.

21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Policy on childboards on: September 29, 2015, 01:04:42 pm
I'm not sure where to ask this, but can we have some guidelines on how, if pictures take up more space on your timeline posts than your text does, there's a way of policing or penalizing that? There's something going on in the contemporary what-if? world that's very disturbing.

Can you link me to any specific examples?

I don't want to police content too much here outside of the more grotesque counterfactuals (e.g. assassinations) but if this is something that's eating up our bandwidth then I'll have to step in.

It's subjective. Who's to judge? Me. Smiley
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 23, 2015, 10:18:25 pm
Areus hacks for his bill: 1988

The Return to Normalcy Act was the most ambitious agenda item of Areus' presidency thus far. The former Speaker of the House had been meticulous in threading the needles to secure his speakership and the Republican nomination for President; he certainly wasn't going to fumble his biggest policy initiative.

"Thad, you're still on board with being the Senate sponsor for this proposal, right?" asked Areus. "Of course. I consider it a great honor to carry this torch and make the case before my peers, much like with the filibuster," said Thad. "Good. Glad to see we're on the same page. Obviously, this is going to be an issue that is going to be debated for a long time in the Senate," said Areus.

Thad nodded in acknowledgement. "Which is why I'm going to open this up with a speech to try and set the narrative. While your peers may water this down in the Senate, I figure rolling out with a speech will give this bill good momentum in the public relations department," said Areus. "By the way, do you think you could bring Cynthia along?" he asked.

"What makes you ask that?" inquired Thad. "Well, it'd be nice to have a female Republican around while we were selling our point. Plus she doesn't look so bad in stockings. You'd better wife her up quickly, Thadů" said Areus. "Or else?" asked Thad defensively. "Nothing. Just a joke," said Areus. Several days later, Thad found himself dressing up for a flight to Los Angeles. While he was unable to secure Cynthia's presence, he made sure his own schedule was clear.

The ride was relatively free of turbulence. Thad had sedated himself with champagne during the commute, and was in Los Angeles before he knew it. He rode with Areus Ho'kee to his campaign rally and took his side, hands folded in his lap, as the former took the stage.

"Thank you all for joining me this evening. I'm speaking about a matter of grave importance: our presence in the world in the late 20th century. In our last two scuffles, we've had two losses. Some would argue that we ought to invest more in our presence abroad. However, I would argue that this is a sign we've bitten too much off to chew. Consider the two cases:

In the 1960's, one of our ships supposedly gets sunk in the Gulf of Tonkin incident. We respond by invading a third-world nation that ostensibly was outmatched, and we dropped more ordinance on them than we did on any country in World War Two. Despite this fact, the Vietnamese had the better of us. Why? Because of support from the Chinese and Soviets, a lack of support on our behalf, and overextension.

A similar case: in the late 1970's some of our ambassadors to Iran were executed. We invaded that nation and were on track to avenge our losses. We managed to dismantle their capital city and establish control of their principal oil cites. Despite such dominance, insurrectionist groups managed to sabotage our operations, turned Tehran into a warzone, and sought to destroy many oil drilling sites rather than simply reclaim them.

By no means am I celebrating our overseas defeats, although I will note that they serve as a cautionary tale. The post-war consensus of fighting the Soviets by proxy and using third-world countries as pliable pawns has largely proven to be a bust for the United States.  Thus, I'm proposing something radically different: a return to normalcy.

Long score ago, President James Monroe proposed his namesake doctrine - the idea that the United States reserved the right to recognize intervention in any Western Hemisphere country by an Eastern Hemisphere country as a direct act of aggression towards the United States. Since this proclamation by President Monroe, we've hypocritically transgressed by intervening in the Middle East and Indo-China and it has been our undoing.

As ambitious of a proposal as it may be, I am advocating for change: a return to this protocol. Yes, this entails withdrawal from Europe, Korea, and Japan, as well as the anticipated withdrawal from Iran. I understand that some of you are concerned that our departure from Germany and Japan would make those countries open season for the Soviets, but that is not the case. Such a proposal would be coupled with a gradual withdrawal, as well as lifting prohibitions on standing armies and allowing said countries to pursue nuclear technology.

The reality is that the allegiances of the 1940's have been cast off. Once upon a time, Germany, Japan, and Korea were bitter enemies of ours who inflicted grave casualties upon the United States. However, these days, all three of these countries have been valuable trading partners. It has long since been time that we beat our swords into plowshares, embrace these countries, and allow them to have their own militaries, which would relieve stress off of us.

I'm aware of the obvious dangers that such a proposal entails: what if the Soviets flood Europe with soldiers? What if European soldiers can't cut the mustard against the Russians? To which I respond: withdrawal from Europe would be a gradual process, which would pay long term dividends. France, Germany, and England would have to spend more of their resources toward training a military.

If fulfilled, a strategic defense initiative would be far superior to protecting Europe than a standing army, and more logistically practical. Missiles do not need to be fed, and cost less. While two hundred thousand soldiers in France might be a fine deterrent against a Soviet invasion, the prospect of Soviet nuclear missiles being intercepted might be even more imposing, no?

With all of that being said, I ask that you register your support for this proposal that would dial down the Cold War."
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Constitutional Convention Delegate Election on: September 22, 2015, 12:17:57 pm
[1] oakvale
[2] bore
[3] Cincinnatus
[4] evergreen
24  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Update for Everyone III - The Whinge Binge on: September 18, 2015, 04:20:05 pm

So I got drunk this evening, unexpectedly (with only 2 goddamn cups of wine!!!). But the party ended at like 7PM and all my friends left. So now I'm drunk and alone.

Life suxxxx

Have you considered hanging with these guys?

Seems like a good fit.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: New Register Thread on: September 18, 2015, 04:11:05 pm
Northeast National Party
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