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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Post Dissolution Elections: February 2014 on: September 21, 2014, 09:11:14 pm
Hurricane Spiral
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Sanity in Seizures Act (Debating) on: September 20, 2014, 10:07:50 pm
OK. So here's the deal.

I only have a rudimentary understanding of these sorts of proceedings, but basically, police departments get the proceeds of seized assets from suspected criminals. Why is this is so bad? Well,

Quote from: Boston Globe
A thriving subculture of road officers on the network now competes to see who can seize the most cash and contraband, describing their exploits in the network’s chat rooms. Some police advocate highway interdiction as a way of raising revenue for cash-strapped municipalities.

‘‘All of our home towns are sitting on a tax-liberating gold mine,’’ Deputy Ron Hain of Kane County, Ill., wrote in a self-published book under a pseudonym. Hain is a marketing specialist for Desert Snow, a leading interdiction training firm based in Guthrie, Okla., whose founders also created Black Asphalt.

Hain’s book calls for ‘‘turning our police forces into present-day Robin Hoods.’’

The gambit is set: police are using this as a way for quick and easy money. Some might argue that the people were in fact guilty, or that they ought to contest these seizures. However:

Quote from: Boston Globe
The Post found that there have been 61,998 cash seizures made on highways and elsewhere since 9/11 without search warrants or indictments through the Equitable Sharing Program, totaling more than $2.5 billion.

State and local authorities kept more than $1.7 billion of that while Justice, Homeland Security, and other federal agencies received $800 million. Half of the seizures were below $8,800.

Only a sixth of the seizures were legally challenged, in part because of the costs of legal action against the government. But in 41 percent of cases — 4,455 — where there was a challenge, the government agreed to return money. The appeals process took more than a year in 40 percent of those cases and often required owners of the cash to sign agreements not to sue police over the seizures.

It's evident that this is an onerous process to go through, and one that might not result in justice for the aggrieved party.

As for why I argue for establishing a limit on the proceeds that police departments can receive:

Quote from: Reason.com
This cruel surprise was engineered by Vincent Kelley, a forfeiture specialist at the Drug Enforcement Administration who read about the Motel Caswell in a news report and found that the property, which the Caswells own free and clear, had an assessed value of $1.3 million. So Kelley approached the Tewksbury Police Department with an “equitable sharing” deal: The feds would seize the property and sell it, and the cops would get up to 80 percent of the proceeds.

Under Massachusetts law, by contrast, police would have received only half the loot, and forfeiture may have been harder. State law says a seized property has to be used not just to “facilitate” a drug crime but “in and for the business of unlawfully manufacturing, dispensing, or distributing controlled substances,” which suggests a stronger connection.

I won't paraphrase the whole story in the article. However, it seems obvious that entitling police departments to the fruits of asset seizures creates a perverse incentive to enforce the law gratuitously.

Want to fund police departments? Here's how: appropriate money. But the status quo is arbitrary, regressive, and an affront to justice.
3  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / IceSpear vs Hulk Hogan Entrance Video on: September 20, 2014, 09:10:31 pm
4  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / BushOklahoma vs Super Size Me on: September 19, 2014, 05:26:50 pm
5  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / ProgressiveRealist vs Ditto on: September 18, 2014, 09:45:46 pm
6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Stop Weekly Special Elections Act (At Final Vote) on: September 18, 2014, 06:52:53 pm
7  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / windjammer vs AntiCMOS on: September 17, 2014, 05:25:56 pm
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Stop Weekly Special Elections Act (Debating) on: September 16, 2014, 06:33:00 pm
Stop Weekly Special Elections Act

1. The Vacancy Mitigation Act is hereby repealed.

2. The Vacancy Filling Act is hereby repealed.

3. Vacancies for Northeast Representatives shall hereby be filled by gubernatorial appointment for the remainder of the Assembly session the vacancy falls in.

Does this clear up any doubts?

FTR, I'm proposing it as an amendment.

I'll take that - we can always do the special elections thing later.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Spiral for Mideast Assembly on: September 15, 2014, 10:40:16 pm
Endorsed! Make Italo-Disco the Regional Genre. Grin
10  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / General Frijoles Mungos vs Día de Muertos on: September 15, 2014, 02:57:24 pm
11  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Petition for Adam LeBron Fitzgerald to start his own Update-equivalent thread on: September 14, 2014, 09:20:34 pm
12  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / hifly15 vs Alec Baldwin Twitter Account on: September 14, 2014, 05:34:17 pm
13  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Forum IRC Channel, Thread 2 on: September 14, 2014, 12:33:04 pm
Bored on da train come chat
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Dust In The Wind on: September 12, 2014, 11:11:55 pm
TIME - Labor in Revolt!
February 28th, 1988

The Rust Belt snaps back

Five months ago, workers at Detroit Cadillac in Michigan went on strike, citing a decline in wages and proposed firing as their main grievances. In response, the owners of Detroit Cadillac  have employed non-union workers on a limited basis to fulfill their quotas. The situation has created bad publicity for General Motors, and has precipitated an even further decline in sales as the plant struggles to maintain levels of output.

While the plight of Detroit Cadillac's workers was personal, it was every bit as much political: a rise in the price of gas because of global instability, a rise in the payroll tax, and Bentsen's executive order lifting tariffs on Japanese automobiles. Owners of Detroit Cadillac stood athwart the concerns of their striking employees, citing an inability to meet their demands. In response, there has been a sudden wave of strikes amongst auto-industry workers across the Midwest, part of which is owed to a decline in working conditions, but some speculate that union activists have inflamed the situation for political gain.

Such does not augur well for President Bentsen's reelection bid; while he has built up considerable momentum in the Democratic Primary, this issue is baggage amongst his base. As President, he personally lifted tariffs on Japanse imports and signed into law the compromise that saw an increase in payroll taxes.

Weicker endorses Ho'kee

Two days after "Super Tuesday," Senator Lowell Weicker announced an end to his presidential campaign. Addressing a crowd of supporters in Greenwich, Connecticut, he said, "It's good to be speaking to you today!  It's been a very hard-fought campaign so far, but the challenges that beset our campaign seem insurmountable. Worse yet, we run the risk that our party be overtaken by extremists if I were to continue my bid. So I'm dropping out, and I'm asking you all to support Speaker Ho'kee for the Presidency." Many speculate that Weicker will pursue reelection to the Senate.

Lowell Weicker's withdrawal did not come as a surprise to many. Despite having strong national polling numbers, he was unable to translate them into primary victories. He made a sincere effort to win the New Hampshire Primary, but only wound up in third place. Following that, Speaker Ho'kee bested him in the Massachusetts Primary and took the lead in Vermont while Weicker's overall numbers dwindled, leaving the latter little choice but to exit the race.

This development greatly benefits Areus Ho'kee, who has been focusing his campaign on Northeastern and Atlantic states. Provided that he can emulate the success of Mark Hatfield before him, he stands a good chance at capturing the Republican nomination.

Republican Primary Polling


February 27th, 1988


Safe Republican: >10%

Slight Republican: 4-9%

Tossup: 3% difference

Slight Democratic: 4-9%

Safe Democratic: >10%

Ho'kee vs Bentsen

303 - 107 - 65

Gingrich vs Bentsen

314 -195 - 29

Armstrong vs Bentsen

315 - 187 - 36
15  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Scott vs Premier Dead Sea Products Review on: September 12, 2014, 09:36:59 pm
I was approved by a Beautiful women she had an accent she had me put my hands out and then she proceeded to put some salt on my hands and rub it, minutes later she was spraying my hands with water then she later have me paper towels to dry my hands off and then apply a type of lotion to them. Being stupid and unassuming I went ahead and bought 106 dollars worth of 2 sands and 1 lotion. When the transaction was complete I gave her my business card, and I hoped that I helped her out because I didn't think that was an easy job, also I am 29 and single so you do the math. I also got a hug out of the deal too. Two hours when I got home I got a phone call from her saying that she had a friend that wanted to meet me, I told her I wasn't going to buy anything anymore but I would be there in about an hour to meet her friend. Her friend later said that her fellow employee that I bought the stuff from said that I was a nice guy and that she was looking for a nice guy; however, as she and the girl that was with her was applying facial cream and talking to me and standing real close to me
they attempted to sell me an addition 900 dollars worth of product.
Her friend told me that if I bought the product then we could get a motel and she would rub it all over my body in the shower and then we could both get it on both of us. I told her that I wasn't going to buy anything and that I only wanted her but she kept insisting that she wanted to give it to me at a reduced price because she wanted to do this for the guy she was with.
Eventually I caved in slightly and bought her a Banana Split (5 dollars) but that wasn't good enough she continued to want me to buy something from her. I caved in a little more and bought a 15 dollar bar of soap. She have me her phone number and I called her a few times and left a message once. She picked up her Cell and answered then told me to call back a hour later which I did a few times with 10 minute increments. I never heard from her since...And I never will.
SO... if your 29 and single like me then don't even make eye contact with them or you'll be out 120 dollars like me.
16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE2: Northeast Endangered Species Act (Debating) on: September 12, 2014, 09:32:02 pm
Any questions/concerns, anyone?

Any chance we can get a rider that actively seeks to destroy poison ivy? Grin
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Stop Weekly Special Elections Act (Debating) on: September 12, 2014, 07:12:02 pm
It's vague. I feel like it might be overly simple where we're missing obvious flaws. Session isn't defined for one. Not having a Speaker is a "vacancy in the Northeast Assembly" does the Governor get to appoint a Speaker? This bill doesn't define the position that is being filled.

Do you have any proposed revisions?

I like the idea behind this but I won't vote for it if it causes more problems than it solves.

@Talleyrand, I'll work on an amendment after seeing any suggestions Nick has, so they don't conflict.

Also motion to extend debate until Tuesday, the sixteenth.
18  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Guntaker vs Amelia Earhart on: September 12, 2014, 05:49:59 pm
Guntaker vs Amelia Earhart
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE1: Stop Weekly Special Elections Act (Debating) on: September 11, 2014, 07:19:34 pm
Obviously the current situation is untenable.

However, I think we ought to have a provision allowing for a special election if more than half of the term has yet to be served (like if somebody resigns a week or two after taking office.)
20  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / The Obamanation vs Operation Plunder Dome on: September 11, 2014, 06:49:11 pm
21  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Adamobawesomebiberg vs Because I Got High - Afroman on: September 10, 2014, 10:00:52 pm
22  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / BushOklahoma vs Sundials on: September 10, 2014, 09:49:41 pm
You all are really overreacting.  Its possible I could be underreacting, but you all are blowing this out of proportion.  Yes, I had a poor review yesterday and my weakness was not giving my all into the drawings while at work and watching the clock.  Yes, I have a tendency to watch the clock, but that's hereditary.  My grandmother is a clock-watcher, my mother is a clock-watcher, and I am a clock-watcher.  My dad and his parents don't know what a clock looks like.  They're totally opposite.  Because I have been watching the clock too much, I have been hurrying and paying slightly less attention to my detail and my drawings.

23  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Antonio V vs Dunwich Constituency on: September 10, 2014, 08:20:30 pm
24  Forum Community / Forum Community Election Match-ups / Adamobawesomebiberg vs The Orange Line on: September 08, 2014, 07:16:06 pm
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: NE3: Ratification Process Alteration Resolution (At Final Vote) on: September 08, 2014, 07:08:55 pm
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